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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right.
So today we are going deep withTeru Nakashima.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
This Japanese
counselor who has some really
interesting ideas aboutself-affirmation and positive
psychology.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
And we've got
excerpts from his writings.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
They're all in
Japanese, of course.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Yeah.
But they cover regret,happiness, self-determination
like the big stuff it is, but hedoesn't just talk about
concepts, right, he gives youpractical advice determination.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Like the big stuff it
is.
But he doesn't just talk aboutconcepts, right, he gives you
practical advice yeah yeah, yeah, which is what we're going to
focus on.
Awesome, you know it's funny alot of self-help advice yeah
wants us to just erase thenegative it's not there yeah,
like regret doesn't exist rightbut nakashima says we should
lean into it.
Yeah, he does okay, that's socounterintuitive it is most of
us are running from regret.
(00:45):
Yeah, not towards it.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Right.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Why does he think we
should embrace it?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Well, when you regret
something, it means you cared,
you were really invested in ityeah.
And that passion, even if itdidn't work out.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
It's something to
acknowledge Right, not bury.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
So instead of I wish
I'd never done that.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I should be saying,
hey, at least I tried.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah, or at least you
went for it.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
But honestly, how
does that help?
Speaker 2 (01:10):
It's not just about
feeling better.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
But that is part of
it.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
It's also about
learning from it.
When we accept our regrets, wecan analyze them without shame.
I see, and that helps us learnfrom them.
Yeah, maybe we discover apattern in our decision making.
Yeah, or we learn that we wereprioritizing the wrong things.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
So regret is like a
grumpy advisor.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Who gives me a
postgame analysis?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
And helps me apply
those lessons to the future.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
And avoid making
those same mistakes again.
That's really clever it is youturn regret into a tool yeah
instead of letting it hold youback it propels you forward I
like that yeah, and you knowyeah another interesting thing
about his view on regret okay isthat he links it to
self-compassion.
So when you beat yourself upover past mistakes, you're not
(02:00):
giving yourself the kindness youwould give a friend.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Oh wow, I never
thought of it like that.
Yeah, so embracing regret isalso practicing self-compassion,
exactly Because you'reacknowledging that you did the
best you could With theinformation you had at the time.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
You're being kind to
yourself.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
So you're saying I
should be nice to myself even
when I mess up.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I like that idea Good
, but let's be honest.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Dwelling on the past
isn't going to make me happy.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
That's true, and
Nakashima knows that.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
OK.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
But he has a
different view of happiness
altogether.
Ok, so it's not about achievingsome state of bliss.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
OK.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
It's more about
noticing the good.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
But how do you notice
happiness when you're stuck in
traffic or your inbox isoverflowing?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
right, but that's
where the active part comes in
what do you mean?
You train yourself to look forthose moments, okay, even amidst
the chaos I see like maybe it'sthe first sip of coffee in the
morning or dog walker smiles atyou exactly.
So it's the little things, yeahthe little sparkles of joy
imagine you're walking through aforest.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Most people would
just see the big trees.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, the obvious
things.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Right, but Nakashima
would want you to look closer.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Notice the patterns
on a leaf.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Or the sunlight
through the branches.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, don't miss the
forest for the trees.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
But seriously.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
How do you actually
shift your mindset?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Well, he believes
it's a skill okay, kind of like
mindfulness.
Uh-huh, it's about slowing downbeing present.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, engaging your
senses so the more you do it,
the more you'll see thosemoments exactly okay, so it's
not about waiting for happinessno it's about actively seeking
it out yes, and the best part isyeah.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
You don't need to buy
anything right, just shift your
perspective and appreciate whatyou have.
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Instead of wishing
for something else.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
You learn to
appreciate what is.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
But I mean, real
happiness requires some control
too right.
Absolutely Like feeling incharge of your life.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
That's another key
element.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Self-determination.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
He talks about that.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
He does, he
Self-determination, he talks
about that, he does, he saysthat when we lack that when we
feel like we're just drifting.
That leads to regret anddissatisfaction.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, like you're
stuck in a job you hate.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Exactly, or you keep
making the same bad choices.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
And you feel
powerless.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yes, so how do we
cultivate self-determination?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, does he have
tips for that?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Oh, he does.
Okay, he says to keep a luckymemo.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
A lucky memo, yeah,
what's that it's basically a
journal.
Ok.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Where you record your
wins.
Your wins, big or small.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
OK.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Landed a new client.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Wrote a poem, had a
good talk with a friend.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Write it down.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
So it's like a
highlight reel, but positive.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Exactly and by
reviewing this regularly, it
changes how you see yourself.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Really.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
It reminds you that
you are capable of achieving
good things.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
So it's not just a
feel-good thing.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
No.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
There's some
psychology behind it?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yes, by focusing on
the positive, you rewire your
brain.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
To see your own
competence.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
So you're like
shaping your own narrative?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yes, that's a great
way to put it.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Instead of letting
your inner critic win.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Exactly, and you know
this idea of controlling your
narrative.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Ties into finding
your true self.
Okay, but we'll have to talkabout that in part two.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I can't wait Me too,
yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
So we've been talking
about taking control and, you
know, noticing the good.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Right Even making
friends with our regrets.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, but there's
something else in Nakashima's
work that kind of ties it alltogether.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
The idea of finding
your true self.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Okay, true self.
I hear that a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, it's a popular
phrase.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
But what does he
actually mean by that?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Well, for him, it's
not so much about finding a
hidden self.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
It's more about
peeling back the layers.
What layers you know all theexpectations and conditioning.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
That hide our true
desires.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I see.
So it's not like I have thissecret personality, it's more
like I've built up these walls.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah, think of all
the roles you play.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Employee, friend,
parent.
The list goes on Right, andeach one comes with its own set
of shoulds.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Oh yeah, I know those
shoulds.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Like I should be more
patient or I should be more
successful.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Exactly, and the
problem is when we only focus on
those Okay and we don't stopand think if they fit with our
values.
Oh, I see, we end up onautopilot.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Going through the
motions but feeling empty inside
.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, and that can be
scary, be scary.
It is a little bit yeah.
So how do we?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
break free from
autopilot.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Well, he doesn't have
a step-by-step guide, okay, but
he wants us to look inward.
Okay, ask yourself some toughquestions Like what, like what
truly brings me joy?
What are my core values?
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
What kind of legacy
do I want to leave behind?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Those are hard
questions.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
They are.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah, it's so easy to
just focus on the day-to-day.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, you don't have
time to think big picture.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
And sometimes I don't
even know the answers.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Right, it's like your
true self is hidden in a fog.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
But that's okay.
Yeah, he says it's not adestination, okay, it's a
journey.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
So I don't need to
have all the answers.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Right.
It's more about exploring whatfits Like an artist mixing
paints.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Trying different
colors.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, you'll find
what inspires, you.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
And maybe the
mistakes are the best part.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Exactly.
You never know what you'll find.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
This is all a bit
daunting.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
It can be.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
But also exciting.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
But how does this tie
back to regret and happiness?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Well, imagine you're
living a life that's really you.
Okay, aligned with what youvalue.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Even if you make
mistakes.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
You'll still have
regrets.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, but they won't
feel like a betrayal to who you
really are.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
You can accept the
outcome because you are being
true to yourself.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Exactly, and think
about happiness.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
If you're chasing
external things.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Like what other
people think.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah, you'll always
be striving for something
outside, but yeah you'll alwaysbe striving for something
outside, but if you're livingauthentically.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Happiness comes from
within.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
It does.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Because you're doing
what matters to you.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yes, and that brings
us to another question.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
What's that.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
What if your true
self wants impractical things?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Like what if you want
to be an underwater basket
weaver?
Speaker 1 (08:04):
But you live in the
desert.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Exactly what thing.
And the Kashima would say getcreative.
Okay, you can't be aprofessional maybe yeah.
But you can still find ways toincorporate it.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
So it's about
adapting.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yeah, find ways to
express yourself.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Even if it's not
perfect.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Right Be resourceful.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Even small steps can
make a difference.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
That's a lot of
responsibility, though it is
Once you know what matters.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
You can't ignore it.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
And that's where
self-determination comes in.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
It does.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Because you have to
make tough choices.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, step outside
your comfort zone.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Maybe even challenge
what people expect.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
You can't just find
yourself and expect everything
to change.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Right, you have to
put in the work.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Exactly, make
conscious choices.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Set boundaries.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
And maybe you know,
to things.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
That don't fit with
who you are.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
It's all starting to
come together.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
It is.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
It's not just about
thinking positively.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
No, it's deeper than
that.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
It's about inner work
and then taking action.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, and that brings
us to another important part.
Okay, living a life of purpose.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Okay, but how do you
even know what your purpose is?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
He wouldn't say you
have to find the one big purpose
.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
It's more about
noticing what lights you up.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Okay, what do you
lose yourself in what makes me
feel good yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
maybe it's writing or
helping others.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Or building things
Exactly, so I just have to pay
attention.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, and he believes
that following those things is
actually a gift to the world.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Wait, really, yeah
that following those things is
actually a gift to the world.
Quite really, how can doingwhat I like help other people?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
When you're doing
something you're passionate
about, you have this differentenergy.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Like you're excited,
yeah, enthusiastic.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
And that energy
spills over To other people.
Yeah, you inspire them.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
So by doing what I
love, I'm making the world a
better place.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
That's what he
believes.
That's amazing.
And he takes it even further.
He says everyone has a uniquecontribution.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Really we all have
our talents.
Yeah, and when we share themthe world becomes richer.
Well, what if I don't know whatmy contribution is?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
He would say to be
curious, try new things, connect
with others.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
And by living
authentically, your contribution
will emerge.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Like a ripple effect.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Just by being myself.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, and sharing
your gifts.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
I'm helping others,
you are, and that brings us to
another part.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Oh, the
interconnectedness of everything
.
We'll have to talk about thatnext time.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I'm looking forward
to it.
So my brain is like on overloadright now.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
A lot to think about.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
We've covered so much
.
Oh yeah, Regretself-determination.
This whole true self thing isreally sticking with me.
Good, but you mentionedsomething about
interconnectedness.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
How does that fit in
with everything else?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Well, we've been
talking about individual growth.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Right like finding my
own happiness.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, pursuing your
passions.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
But Nakashima doesn't
see that as selfish.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
No, he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
So it's not just
about me.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
It's bigger than that
.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
There's like a bigger
picture.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
He thinks it's really
important to cultivate
compassion, empathy, gratitude.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
He says, when we
shift our focus from scarcity to
abundance, we become more awareof how connected everything is.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
That makes sense if
you're always worried about what
you're missing.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
You won't notice the
needs of others.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Right or appreciate
the world around you.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
And he thinks that's
crucial for happiness.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
It is when we focus
on helping others, yeah,
contributing to our community.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Appreciating nature.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah, our own
problems seem smaller.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
It's like connecting
to something bigger gives you a
sense of purpose.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Exactly, and this
ties back to noticing oh yeah,
we talked about that when we'regrateful, yeah, we see the
connections more clearly.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
He's like weaving
this web.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
It's all connected.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Embrace regret, find
yourself, notice the good,
connect with something bigger.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
It all works together
.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
But some days it's
hard enough to just get through
the day.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I know what you mean
how can?
I worry about the whole planet.
He's talking about the wholeplanet, he's not saying to carry
the weight of the world.
Yeah, it's about small actions.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Like what.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Giving a compliment.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Spending time in
nature.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Donating to a cause.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, little things.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
To just weave those
into my life.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Exactly, and those
little things.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
They benefit others.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Right.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
But they also come
back to us.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
How so.
When come back to us how?
So?
When we give and connect, wefeel a sense of purpose that
makes us feel good.
So by helping others, I'm alsohelping myself.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
That's a great way to
put it.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
That's like the core
of what he's saying.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
It is.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
We're all connected,
our own journeys are part of
something much bigger.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
And when we
understand that, we find
strength and joy.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
This has been amazing
it has.
Nakashima's ideas are sodifferent.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
They really make you
think.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
It's not just about
being happy.
It's about understanding how weall fit together.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
So, as we wrap up, we
want to leave you with a
question how can you, in yourown way, contribute to the world
.
What can you offer?
That's something to think about.
Thank you for joining us forthis deep dive into
Terunakashima.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
It's been a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Until next time, keep
exploring and keep noticing the
good.