The Altar Experience w/ Chenia Hughes

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What happens when a crisis counselor confronts her own trauma? Chenia Hughes brings raw honesty and professional insight to this powerful conversation about healing, helping others, and finding your true worth.

As a licensed master social worker responding to mental health emergencies in homes, schools, jails, and on the streets, Chenia shares how crisis work "chose her" after discovering her natural ability to connect with people in distress. With a calm spirit and personal understanding of pain, she navigates the challenging world of crisis intervention, primarily dealing with suicidal ideation, substance abuse issues, and youth struggling with identity and bullying.

The conversation takes a deeply personal turn when Chenia reveals how her relationship with her biological father shaped her sense of self-worth and accomplishments. Despite being a first-generation college graduate, her father's absence at graduation and apparent disinterest in her achievements left emotional wounds that drove her to constantly seek validation. Through therapy, she learned to recognize these patterns and address them, finding fulfillment in knowing her true identity rather than external approval.

One of the most eye-opening segments addresses misconceptions about crisis management. Contrary to popular belief, it's actually quite difficult to hospitalize someone for mental health reasons. "It's not against the law to be delusional," Chenia points out, highlighting frustrations in a system that often fails to provide adequate intervention until situations escalate to criminal behavior.

This episode beautifully illustrates how confronting our past wounds can free us to live more authentically and help others more effectively. Whether you're in a helping profession, navigating your own healing journey, or supporting someone in crisis, Chenia's wisdom offers practical insights and spiritual encouragement for breaking cycles and becoming unstoppable.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hello everyone, welcome to Beat For you and I'm
your girl, brie Charles, thehost of the show, and I am so
excited about what we are goingto be running all month long,
and that is the Alter Experienceand that is the altar
experience.
This was an experience like noother.
I truly had a great timeinterviewing some of the guests

(00:32):
at the altar experience.
I want to just thank right nowPastor Moena Tucker and Jamie
Tucker for inviting me out tothe altar experience, where I
was blessed beyond measure withthe words that was coming out,
so I'm hoping that you as wellhere, my listeners are just as

(00:53):
blessed as I was to hear some ofthe interviews and some of the
entertainment that we will beshowing all month long.
So take a look, enjoy andremember, burn through the pad,
break the cycle and becomeunstoppable.
This is what it's all about.
Check it out.
Hey everybody.

(01:13):
We have Mrs Shanae Hughes withus.
She is a licensed master socialworker, so I'm going to let you
introduce yourself and I knowyou tired girl, we all tired
with this, all to experiencenext over poor than us and we
are like, but just please tellmy audience a little bit about

(01:35):
yourself I'm a social worker.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
um, master, I am a crisis counselor, so I respond
to crisis in the community, inhomes, in schools, in jails and
just out on the streets.
When anybody's in crisis,they'll call, like here locally

(01:59):
it's 988.
Okay, and then they'll beconnected.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
So can you walk us through, like their current role
?
What is it?
What is it you do exactly as acrisis?

Speaker 2 (02:09):
yeah, so it's a little what crisis?
Crisis is different foreverybody.
What I think is a crisis isdifferent.
So, whatever someone is in thespace of which they are not able
to navigate it on their own,they call, they can call us.
They'll patch the call throughto us.

(02:31):
I'll kind of get somebackground information, some
safety, make sure I'm notwalking into anything that is
unsafe, and then I'll go to thatperson.
Our services in KalamazooCounty, where I am, are grant
funded, so they're free to theclient.
Our services in KalamazooCounty, where I am, are grant
funded, so they're free to theclient.
Oh, okay, and when I respond, Irespond and I do either

(02:53):
de-escalation, whatever thatlooks like for that scenario,
and or I may it may have to getto the point where I have to
hospitalize or send someone toinpatient care.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
How'd you get into crisis management?
What made you choose that field?

Speaker 2 (03:14):
It chose me.
It chose me.
I actually have worked in manyareas with social work, from
working with elderly to workingwith kids, I believe when I
worked at the Kalamazoo CountyJail, because when my real
crisis started coming into playpeople in jail, mental health,

(03:40):
substance abuse and just beingin jail it's a crisis in itself
and just navigating those thingsand I had a natural knack for
it, people felt comfortabletalking to me, sharing to me,
opening up with me, and I justhave a naturally calm spirit.

(04:04):
And then also, just you know,we all have a story, we all have
a testimony.
So just the background of whereI come from and what I've been
exposed to and what I've seen,it ain't a lot that surprised me
, no more.
And it ain't too much thatscared me.
I tell people all the time ifyou see me running, run, because
I ain't doing it for exercise.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
So go first, ask questions later.
What are some of the crises youface or you get called on.
What is the biggest, the mostcrisis that you are called?

Speaker 2 (04:38):
for I see a lot of suicidal ideation, lots of
suicidal thoughts, lots ofsubstance abuse that in turn
turns into mental illness.
You know that due to thesubstances, they end up having
like a chemical imbalance whichturns into like

(05:00):
substance-induced schizophreniaand stuff like that.
So I get a lot of people thatare delusional or hallucinating.
Lots of youth that are suicidaldue to bullying.
Due to dealing with a lot ofLGBTQ community youth who are

(05:22):
dealing with finding themselvesand the pressure that comes with
that, I would say youth andsuicide and adults with
substance abuse are my twohighest call volumes I get Okay.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
What is one situation , one call that you got, that
touched you and you'll rememberfor the, for the rest of your
life um, or is it a lot?
It was a lot.
There's a lot.
I'm sure you're with a person.
Since I've known, you met you.
You have a big heart.
I know that I do, I do.

(06:01):
You have a big heart, so I'msure that you're like me.
I tend to just like, oh my God,I want to help you, want to
help everybody, everybody.
How do you?

Speaker 2 (06:11):
maintain that Self-care.
I'm big on self-care.
They push it in school forsocial work because the burnout
rate is so high, because thetype of work we do and they
definitely in it for the inputis not the output, because
they'll pay just social work ingeneral, for what we do.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yes, you're not valued at what you do?
For what?

Speaker 2 (06:41):
you do now.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
There are ways to make money in the field but let
me guess you got to get amaster's triple time.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, you have.
It's usually like privatepractice, right, um, where you
can really, you know, get a goodincumbent if you care about
people and you want to help.
You know the people.
I'm passionate about the people.
God people.
God wasn't, jesus wasn't in thechurch, he wasn't sitting in
the building, that's right, hewas in the streets.

(07:09):
So those are the same peoplethat I'm passionate about
helping.
So usually those type ofpositions, but that that fills
my cup.
That fills my cup to see people.
You know.
I see, when I used to work inthe county jail, they used to
call me Miss CMH.
Cmh is Community Mental Health,so they called me Miss CMH.

(07:32):
So it's overwhelmingly joy inthe mire, and so I'm like is
that you, miss CMH?

Speaker 1 (07:44):
I'm like, oh Jesus.
I turn around and I'm like isthat you, Ms CMH?
I'm like Jesus.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
I turned around and I'm like oh.
I said Lord knows I'm going tobe able to date, because the man
going to be like who is that?
And I can't tell you.
You know who it is and how Iknow him.
You know that's breaking theirHIPAA, right?
So I'm like, oh.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Right, I know them.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
You know that's breaking their HIPAA, right.
So I'm like I'm burning, butit's really joyful to see
somebody when they have come outon the other side as successful
.
I bet you it's rewarding, it'sso rewarding.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yes, I know what you mean, because that's the reason
for me through you is like if Icould just reach one person.
Yeah, I'm, I pray for many.
Yeah, but if somebody hears oneof these podcasts and say, you
know what I understood, I got, Igot clarity.
Now I know I've done my job.

(08:39):
So we all have a story and I'msure you have a story on why you
went into mental health.
Or tell your story.
I've heard it already.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
I feel like it was a compilation of things.
One thing is, people were justgoing to make me do their
business.
People would tell me theirbusiness and I just was.
Like you know, I had a regularjob working with people and I

(09:14):
said hey how you doing.
And next thing, I know they hadtold me they was abused as a
child, molested.
I'm like I've been sitting herewith you two minutes.
You didn't even ask.
I was just saying how you doing.
How did we get here?
What about me?
Made you feel comfortablesharing the most inner darkness?

(09:34):
You know, I'm like, and ithappened all the time.
All the time I'm like thesepeople about to pay me.
I'm about to be doing this forfree, right?
So it's like you know, maybe Ishould go for social work, but
even in going in it I wasspeaking earlier and I was just
kind of sharing that I had to goto therapy for myself and I'm

(09:57):
covering my own trauma of nothaving a good relationship with
my biological father and I havea stepfather.
That is absolutely amazing.
I will drown the fish for them,okay.
So I made sure I did not lack,but subconsciously I still

(10:23):
didn't feel like I was everenough Because no matter what I
did, I wasn't accepted orpraised by my biological father,
even though I had my stepdad.
That went above and beyond forme.
I had brothers who I guess Icould imagine my father desired

(10:49):
boys, you know, just having somesons I get it, you know.
But he was very loving to mybrothers, but me and my sisters
he wasn't.
So I, just out of my trauma ofnot dealing with that, I grew up
always trying to go above andbeyond to be enough for him.

(11:13):
So here I am.
Oh, I'm going to go get adegree.
I'm his first child to go tocollege.
I was a first-generationcollege student.
On both sides of my familyNobody had been to college
before me.
He didn't come to graduation.
I'm like, you know, like hisresponse was I didn't know you

(11:36):
wanted me there.
Why would you not want to bethere?
Yeah, you know what do you mean?
No, he said, I didn't know, itwas important.
I'm like what?
Like you know, by this time Ihad children and my child, my
son, had went to college and youknow I wasn't missing.

(11:57):
I wouldn't care what I had todo to get there to?
support him, so I just couldn'tunderstand why he didn't have
that same energy, for you didn'tget there to support him, so I
just couldn't understand why hedidn't have that same energy for
you, for me, um and he did thisrepeatedly degrees just for him
to show up right, and I didn'teven realize it was for him to
show up.
I didn't realize it until I gotinto therapy and and my

(12:18):
therapist pushed past.
I thank god for her because sheis strong.
I have a strong personality.
Other people are intimidated byme.
I'm not intimidating, butpeople are intimidated by my
presence.
So I have to have a strongtherapist that's willing to call

(12:42):
me out.
She'll call me out, she'll'llcall me out, you know, she'll
let me and she'll ask mesomething.
She'll let me answer surfaceissues.
That was cute, wow.
But why?
I'm like what you mean?
Why, why, what, why does thatbother you?
Why?

(13:04):
Why?
You know, and then I have to.
Why?
What I learned about myself inthat is for me personally, I
don't like to say things outloud, because if I say it out
loud now I have to address it.
If I don't say it, nobody knows.
It's a thing Nobody knows.
I'm insecure in these areas,nobody knows, so then I don't

(13:27):
have to address it.
But when I say it out loud, Ihear myself saying and I'm
saying those words, I now haveto do something about it.
You know better, you do betterit's funny that you mentioned
that.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
I've done that for years in the military with, uh,
losing family members.
I lost my aunt she died fromcancer and you know anybody that
I would lose, or my uncle,whatever I just, or my sister,
or my God, my God sister.
I miss her dearly and you knowwhat I would do that same thing.
Well, if I don't address likeshe still lives right there on

(14:00):
55th and I'll just go see herbecause I'm too busy right now,
or my aunt, she's there in Ohio,I'm just too busy, and that's
how I kept myself from thegrieving, just to say that
they're still there.
But whoa, when I retired and Istarted going through some

(14:23):
serious issues from losing,losing people, and I couldn't
fake it no more because now Ican really easily just go to
Philly or wherever and visit andI lost my nephew to suicide,
that's when I hit that rockbottom and I had to stop hiding,
had to stop hiding.

(14:48):
And then when, shanae, when Itell you, it hit me like a ton
of bricks.
Years and years and years ofjust imagining these people are
still alive in their own areasnow I had to tell myself they're
not there, you can't call her,you can't go and and see them.
They're not there.
I broke.
I broke, it does.
I just broke.

(15:08):
And then I became angry.
I became angry because you knowwhy is this happening to me?
Then I found out where my othertraumas came from.
Not only did I just lose allthe people who've been gone at
one time, I lost a few familymembers at one time.
Can you imagine?
I can.

(15:29):
I love it.
And so now, not only did I loseall of them, but now I know
where all my other traumas comefrom.
I'm telling you I was.
I am not the person who sitsbefore y'all today, but again,
god brought me through and heshowed me that I was never alone

(15:52):
.
All that time I felt alone.
I wasn't alone and I no longerhad to like we were just talking
about.
I no longer have to.
My value was within me.
I don't need y'all to value meanymore.
For me it was my mother.
I was doing things like thatjust for my mother to see like
hey, look out, I'm the onlychild she has that went to

(16:14):
college and got a degree.
But I wanted to show her that Iam a good girl.
Look at me, look at me.
I always wanted to be seen yeah, and that was my thing.
I wanted to be seen.
Because of so many of thetraumas that I have been through
and some of the things thatI've hit, I just wanted to be
seen.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah, and it it went into every area of life yes, you
want to be seen inrelationships, so you will.
You will act out of characterin a relationship.
You want to be seen at work.
You want to be seen in the army.
You're, you're, you're climbingthe ladder of success in the
army because you have to see me.
If you have to call me sergeant, you have to see me in these
spaces.

(16:52):
And it still doesn't fill thatboy it does not.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
It does not.
You know.
My fulfillment came when Ifound out who I was.
Now I don't even care.
You know what you?
I'm not the best child you got.
Okay, then let the childrenthat you think is the best ones
take care of you and do whateveryou know.
Put your faith in whatever youknow.
I know I don't try that hardanymore.

(17:16):
I have a great marriage now,but I don't have to work hard
for that.
He sees me for who I am with mychildren.
It tries to creep up still.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, it tries like even spiritually it creeps up on
me.
You know there's things thatyou know.
People have spoken over meabout who I am and what they see
in me that I'm not quite ableto see in myself, yet I believe
it.
I'm not able to quite see inmyself.
Yet I believe it.
I'm not able to quite see it.
Yeah, visualize it yet, butthat fear of not being enough,

(17:50):
it won't allow me sometimes totake the next step forward.
Because what if I fail?
Or what if I don't fit in?
Or what if I'm not good enough?
Or what if I don't fit in?
Or what if I'm not good enough?
Or what if it all goes back tothe root of that thing.
And it's not a blame, you know,it's my dad's fault, that's not

(18:14):
what I'm doing, but I've justlearned to recognize that.
That's where that is.
So now, when I feel it creepingup, I can address it.
I can, you know, talk to myselfand tell myself about who god
says I am.
Yes, I can speak.
You know positive words aboutmyself and I can, you know,

(18:35):
identify it early and not let itfester and be forgiveness in
terms or offense.
I'm able to identify it earlyand not let it grow into, pull
that weed up when it first comesthrough the sidewalk.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
Oh, my goodness, I know exactly what you're talking
about.
Not letting it consume you.
Yeah, and I will tell you, Ican relate to what you said as
well, because I watched youspeak today.
Which y'all going to see that?
Okay, y'all got to watch thatbecause you did an amazing job.
Like you said, you can't see it.
But I have those same fearsbecause I've been speaking in

(19:16):
front of hundreds of soldiers,like that's, my comfort zone is
the military, so I can speak to500 soldiers, but I get nervous
when I speak in front of maybe50 to 100 people, or however
many people I watch, I gettongue-tied, tongue-twisted, I
don't know what to say, my braingetting cloudy Like why, why

(19:40):
does that happen?

Speaker 2 (19:42):
That's our subconscious coming in.
That's where I said that youknow, the trauma is a breathing
ground for oppression.
Like they, you know the enemysees that and it's like I can't
let Bree be that podcast.
I can't let that podcast begreat.
I got to do everything I canbecause if sheay be that podcast

(20:02):
, I can't let that podcast begreat.
I got to do everything I canBecause if she walks into that
completely I'm in trouble.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah, I can't let her be that power.
Yeah, so let me bring up herfears.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Let me bring up her insecurities.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
There you go.
Let me play in her mind.
That's why you know, that's whythe word says we got to be
renewed in her mind.
That's why the word says we'vegot to be renewed in our mind
Daily, daily, because that's thearea that he attacks, because
it's like, if I can get her mind, the rest, of her is going to
follow, and that's the samething for you, sis.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Like you said, you came out there today and had
people interacting, askingquestions and I was like I want
to ask this question.
I went and I ran to Moina likeI got a testimony.
I want to tell, becausesomebody just said but about the
time that you took the crowd towhere I was like, well, they

(20:55):
didn't take everything that youasked.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
I was so blessed to have Apostle Nichols come to me
afterwards you know she's ageneral in the spirit, she is a
general and for her to come tome and tell me that I made her
believe and see the importanceand the connection of the

(21:27):
natural and the spiritual whenit comes to you know, like
mental health and taking care ofyourself and spiritually and
not allowing people to, you know, think you're crazy.
Yeah, you know things are crazy, yeah, Like, and not just
letting people speak that overyou and in the connection and
the importance of addressingthings and not letting things

(21:47):
fester, Like for her.
She said I didn't believe intherapy, I come from that old
school that day where you know,what goes on in my house stay at
my house.
Yes, yes, yes, and just like howyou gonna tell me something.
Where are you getting yourinformation from?
You know who is you to tell meI'm grown?

(22:12):
You know she up there in age,you know she don't look it.
Oh no, I pray I look good and Ipray I make it to that age, but
they ain't making it to thatage we got this one flyer.
He is getting on my nerve, right, he is but you know, for me,
you know I'm sure it's not thefirst time she heard about

(22:35):
therapy or counselors oranything, but for something that
I got up there and said tochange her mind about addressing
childhood trauma and justtrauma in general, because
trauma, as a daughter, it'salways happening, it's not just
childhood, you know, and shesaid that she needed to address
some things in herself and she.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
I know right, you just want to be a part of this
interview.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
I'm telling you go ahead and to hear her say that
what I said changed her mind,made her, you know, rethink how
she go about doing that.
Not that I don't appreciateeverything that you know, all
the positive feedback that I got, but that right there, mm-hmm,

(23:24):
it's the cake talker.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
It was the cake talker for me Because, 79 years
old, you know people back in hertime they were very, they're
very stubborn.
They don't like change.
That's what they grew, that'sall.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
That's what they know , yeah and it was something
about the way that God, you know, delivered the message through
me that that did that.
And then other people just cameup and do you have contact
information?
Yeah, you do this and how, andI didn't know and I never
thought about it like that and Inever thought about.
You know the story of no Noahand how people looked at him.

(24:01):
I'm like I can only imagine.
I can only imagine what thenaysayers were saying.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
And that's one thing I realized too.
Everybody is not going to likethe content I put out,
everybody's not going to agreewith the things I say.
But now that I'm walking in mypower and have taken control of
that, you either watch the showand appreciate what my viewers
are saying.
You either watch the show andappreciate what I'm saying, or

(24:30):
change the channel, or you don't.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
And you're probably going to leave a nasty comment
on the way you change it, andthat's fine too.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
And that's going to be something that either I can
take to grow from it or take itto throw it away, so being as
though you're in the crisismanagement.
That's a heavy work to do.
How do you stay emotionallybalanced?

Speaker 2 (25:01):
God definitely gives me a grace for it.
I don't know what it is, I justhave a grace for the areas he
put me in and I think the peopleknow it.
When I come in, you know, likeI said, some people are
intimidated by me, and it's notalways in a bad way, some people
just.

(25:21):
I remember when I was workingin the county jail there was a
guy who he just stayed in adelusional state.
He was always in a delusionalstate and he would be.
He would definitely beresponding to his trauma, you
know, yelling that his mom hadabused him when he was younger,
even though she wasn't in thejail cell with him.
And one day day I walked pastand he looked at me and he

(25:53):
started cursing me out, whichwas fine.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
I got that often and he looked at me and he said now
go tell your God that.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
I said because I didn't say the word.
He said yeah, you heard me.
Go tell your guy that.
I said well, I'm glad you know.
He said no, shut up demon.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Wow, because I see you and he hushed.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
But the fact, he's seen that even in his delusional
state he's seen that even inhis delusional state he's seen
the guy in me.
Plenty co-workers, plentydeputies, officers, sergeants,
other mental health clinicianshave walked past.
He ain't say nothing about.
No, god damn.
I walked past even though it'scutting me out, but he said not

(26:43):
gonna tell your god that wow andand and I am.
I'm gonna tell him that youtalk to me like that sure is,
because I'm gonna pray for youtonight.
But, um, but the fact that youcan see it on me, so I do think
I give me a grace for itspiritually, um, and then just
naturally, I just self-care, Ipray.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
And that's what I was going to ask you how do you
decompress I journal?

Speaker 2 (27:10):
I just do many self-care regimens.
I get massages, I get my nailsand my pedicure, that's just so
I can, you know, feel like, youknow, relaxed.
I spend time with you know,family and friends, and you know

(27:31):
my village of people, and thenI leave.
I try really hard to leave work.
At work, I try to cut it off.
I'm not very good at it.
I am working on my boundaries.
That is my.
You know, the actual interviewswill show weakness.
My weakness is my boundary withcutting it off and not taking

(27:53):
work home with me.
Okay, but and then my therapy?
Yeah, because that's my safeplace to, to dump, and it's a
professional dump.
And then, of course, I got myspiritual.
You know that I but I don't,you know, share, like people's
information with my spiritual,you know.

(28:15):
But with my therapist I can, Ican do that dump, and she
understands, because you knowshe worked in the field, in the
therapy world too.
So she understands, um, but Ican, I can let let it go, so
I'll pick, pull it on, and thenI just don't be a dumpster, I
just don't let people dump on meand leave it, right, I release

(28:36):
it, okay, um, and I do, I dowhat I can and I ask God.
You know, I pray and ask God toput me.
You know, let my path crosswith the ones that you want me
to impact, the ones that youwant me to be able to connect
with, and he does that.
He does it daily.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
So Sinead, there's a most common what is the most
common misconception that peoplehave about crisis management?
What's a misconception thatpeople have?

Speaker 2 (29:12):
I think the biggest misconception is that, like when
you call crisis lines, thatthat means that you're
automatically going to behospitalized, that that means
that you're automatically goingto be hospitalized or
automatically going to be putinto like a psychiatric unit or
hospital or inpatient state.
It's actually pretty hard to behospitalized for your mental

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health.
It's not against the law to bedelusional.
It's not the law to bedelusional.
It's not I can't justify, youknow, petitioning or sending
people to the hospital becausethey're outside of their normal

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way of living.
It's actually quite frustrating.
Outside of their normal way ofliving, it's actually quite
frustrating.
I get a lot of people whofamily members are not their
normal selves but becausethey're not a danger to
themselves or other people, wehave to let them be.

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There's been plenty of timesI've been caught and I have seen
people walking down the streettalking to themselves, asking me
do I see the man on the unicorn?

Speaker 1 (30:31):
across the street.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
You know what?
I don't see him, but Iwholeheartedly believe you do.
But guess what?
I can't hospitalize him.
Not for that, but to his family.
That's frustrating because myson's not supposed to see a
unicorn across the streetwearing a tutu on.
Like what do you mean?

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You can't hospitalize him, he'snot okay.
But people think that thatmeans we get to automatically.
Or a youth who is out ofcontrol and breaking windows at
their parents' house andbreaking cabinets and punching
holes in walls.
It's destruction.

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You can press charges, but Iknow that's not your child that
you used to interacting with,but I can't do anything about
that.
So it's frustrating, though howbad.
Because I believe that it is apart of the broken system.
Yes, because you have a youththat is acting like this and a

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parent is calling for help and Icome and I can de-escalate him.
I can call him for the momentbut it's not going to last, and
then he grows up into the adultthat does that that you put in
the jail it is a very brokensystem that you didn't do
anything about when I was tryingto get get help all the way up

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until you turned 18, and nowyou're ready to lock them up.
Yeah For rehabilitation, whichis actually punishment.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
It is such a broken system.
That's a whole other talk.
That's a whole other talk, butI just want to thank you for
sharing.
I want to thank you for yourtime today.
Speaking today, I want to thankyou for the knowledge that you
poured into me.
This is the closest I've had aconversation with crisis

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management without being incrisis, without being the one in
crisis.
So it is amazing what you do.
God bless you.
God continue to bless you.
Thank you.
One of the panelists from thealtar experience, another one,
and I'm just blessed, blessed byyour presence, blessed by your
word, blessed by your teaching,and I have another new sister.

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So great.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
I'm so excited so.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
B3U.
Thank you For coming andviewing the altar experience
with me and Miss Shania Hughes.
See you guys soon.