July 28, 2025 • 45 mins
What happens when a single mistake threatens to derail your entire future? Lance Williams faced this question head-on after being arrested for selling controlled substances in his early twenties. In this raw and powerful conversation with his big sister and host of B3u Bree Charles, Lance takes us through the life-altering moment when he found himself processing through the county jail system – describing it as a surreal experience that forced him to confront difficult questions about his path forward.
The mental toll of having a criminal record became what Lance now identifies as his greatest challenge. "When you get records, you start reading up on stuff and you can't get a job, you can't get an apartment...is my life over?" This barrier wasn't physical but psychological – what he calls "the biggest disability" – a mindset that limits possibilities without even trying. Yet rather than surrendering to these limitations, Lance chose transformation.
His journey reveals the unexpected paths to success that opened when traditional doors seemed closed. From starting a cleaning business with just a few hundred dollars to building his own successful trucking company, Lance demonstrates how entrepreneurship became his pathway to financial independence and personal redemption. "Having a record is not a death sentence," he insists, though it required greater determination and creativity to overcome.
This conversation goes beyond personal triumph to explore deeper questions about environment versus choice, generational progress, and the power of determination. Lance challenges listeners to question limiting beliefs and societal expectations while offering practical wisdom for anyone facing seemingly insurmountable obstacles. "Everything they said I couldn't do, I've done," he shares, proving that with the right mindset, past mistakes don't have to dictate your future. Listen now to discover how to transform setbacks into stepping stones for success.
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Welcome everybody, welcome back all my listeners
and my viewers to V3U.
And today we have theopportunity to interview with my
brother, my baby brother, lanceWilliams.
Everybody welcome him to theshow.
So, lance, let's get right intoit.
What are you doing right now,today?
(00:29):
What are you up to?
Anisdi?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Right now I would say that I'm in transition from,
let's just say, for the past.
You know, let's just go overthe past 10 years.
So, like for seven years I hadmy own trucking company, I was
driving, but then I started afamily, had my first kid and I
didn't want to be away I'llanswer these in later things but
(00:53):
I just didn't want to be awayfrom the family.
I transitioned to see what Ican do locally outside of
trucking that would be able tosupport my family and give me
the work-life balance that I waslooking for, and my family
wanted it as well.
But I did a couple of thingsWe'll get into that later,
probably but I did a couple ofthings as far as different
(01:14):
industries and stuff like that,but ultimately I landed right
back into a local trucking job,just as an employee this time,
which gives me excellentwork-life balance.
So that's kind of where I'm atright now.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Okay, awesome, awesome, always doing great
things, just awesome.
Of course, because he's mybrother, y'all know I'm going to
say that he's awesome, right,but he really is.
So we you know B3U, as we allknow we come and we share what
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trauma or what trial ortribulation we have experienced.
So, lance, I'm going to startasking you what is a story that
you would love to share in orderthat somebody can relate to and
possibly help them out.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Absolutely so.
Back in around maybe about 2006, 2007, 2008, somewhere around
there, I got in trouble forselling uncontrolled substance,
or controlled substance,whatever you want to name it as.
And that's the first time thatI've ever gotten in trouble with
(02:21):
anything Like.
If anybody knew me, I wouldprobably be the last person they
would think would do somethinglike that.
But in my mind while I wasdoing that, it's not what you
see on TV or anything like that.
It's just like I didn't eventhink you know people standing
in the corners with guns and allthis other stuff.
I'm in my house watching HomeAlone 2 or just watching TV or
playing video games, justplaying with my friends, and if
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someone called me I'd go outthere, make the sale, whatever
like that, and then I just, youknow, back to my regular life.
I was just thinking of, you know, just the money aspect of it.
It's like, you know, everybodywants to make money.
You know, I don't think that'snot the right way to do it
because there's other ways youcan do it.
It's slower but it's morerewarding and it's less trouble
(03:03):
that way.
But you know, I was justthinking about OK, I'm going to
just make.
This is how I'm just going tomake a little bit of extra money
, because I've seen people I'veknown making money, living a
certain lifestyle and thingslike that.
I didn't necessarily want totake it to that extreme.
I just wanted to have a littlebit of money in my pocket.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
That's all your money in your pocket.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, I'm not thinking about how old?
Yeah, I'm not thinking abouthow old were you at this at this
time.
Oh, that was about almost 20years ago, so I was probably
like the early 20s, like 21, 21.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
So you know that's, that's a relatable thing,
because you know most of ouryoung people out here.
What was the first thing theywant to do?
Right, they want to make thequick money yeah, yeah quick
money.
So that's, that's what it wasfor you.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
That happened.
Like I said, I've never been introuble before.
You ever see one of the movieswhere I got processed.
I got taken to the local county.
That whole time.
(04:04):
It was kind of like a surrealexperience in the sense that you
ever see one of the movieswhere the person is just like
they're like frozen or in atrance and everything is moving
around them.
I was kind of like in that beatjust thinking about life in
general, like my not my lifeflashing before my eyes, like
I'm about to die.
(04:25):
But just you know what did Iget myself into?
What does this mean?
Like I didn't know the severityof you know what just happened.
Like you know, people can takeyour away your life for five or
10 years or whatever the casemay be, whatever the whatever
the sentence is.
But luckily I was my first timeever doing anything.
And then they just got, youknow, probation, uh, community
(04:49):
service, things like that.
But like I said, that was, ittook a huge mental toll on me as
a person and just like myconfidence level.
And you know, when you getrecords and things like that,
you start reading up on stuffand stuff and you can't get a
job, you can't get an apartment.
You can't get an apartment, youcan't do anything.
So it's like, like you know, ismy life over, so that that just
(05:10):
started me making differentcertain decisions in my life, or
just holding back my fullpotential as a person, because I
think like, yeah, I'm going totry this, I'll put all this
effort and working to it and inthe end I'm just going to get
rejected anyway.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
So it's like it kind of stopped me from reaching my
full potential at that point.
Yeah, were you in like acertain like a depression phase,
going through everything?
Speaker 1 (05:36):
uh, I.
I wouldn't say, uh, depressionlike that.
I would just say, like you know, I had my moments where I just
felt like you know what, youknow what am I going to become,
and and things like that.
Like as far as like uh, youknow, you do feel down, so you
(05:56):
feel like a depression state,but I wasn't in like a deep day,
I didn't feel like I couldn'tdo anything.
I just felt like the person whoI wanted to become I.
I felt like I couldn't becomethat because of my records.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
And what was so?
What was the time?
How long were you?
Were you incarcerated for it oryou just got charged.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
No, so that day they they processed me, they took me
to the County, probably arrivedthere at three or 4 pm and I was
out the next morning and then Ijust had to show up to court in
this probation communityservice and things like that.
So I want to say I spent likemaybe 12 hours in the county,
(06:39):
but that was about it.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
But it just was like an eye-opener, a life-changer.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, because one minute you're able to drive and
do whatever you want, go whereyou want, and then the other
minute you're just in a placewith people.
That is nothing like you, Ihave to say.
I think I'm better than anybody, but just how I grew up where I
grew up the person I am even atthat anybody.
But like just the the, how Igrew up where I grew up the
person, I am even at that timeeven doing that stuff.
(07:09):
Like I said.
I said it's not.
I was just.
I feel like I was just a regularperson just trying to make
money.
I wasn't thinking about whatthose could do to the people who
are taking them or theirfamilies or anything like that.
I'm just thinking it's just apaycheck for me at the end of
the day, but it's just like okay, now in the county people are
(07:29):
coming in all drugged out andoverdosed and with wild crazy
stuff and I'm like, wow, I justwear a helmet right now, what,
looking around, that's kind oflike I can relate to that,
because the military experienceI just wanted to get away.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I wanted to do better for myself, I just wanted to
make some good money.
And you know, I was like I'mgoing to the Army, you know, you
know, and I was gone in twoweeks they told me, hey, we take
the test and you can try to dobetter.
And I was like, no, I'm tryingto get out of Philly.
I'm ready to go better.
And I was like, no, I'm tryingto get out of Philly.
(08:07):
I'm ready to go and I hit Iain't never been out of the city
of Philadelphia and I get to um, fort Jackson Relaxion Jackson,
we call it and I'm like whatthe hell did I get myself into?
Because people are yelling atme.
Like why are you yelling at me?
You could just tell me to runup the hill.
I'll run up the hill, you ain'tgotta spit in my face and yell
(08:29):
at me and make me do it.
So I understand totally whatyou're saying.
It was just a moment for you.
What I'm hearing you say was,like what the hell is going on,
because this is not me, hey, I'mjust trying to make a little
extra cash.
So I I get that.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I get that totally I get that, yeah, and it was like
at that point it was like it wasa.
That point was a pivotal, Ithink.
Like I said, I was about 22, 23, something like that, but um,
that was a pivotal point for mein the sense that after that I
was like, wow, this, you know,serious, you know, you kind of
(09:06):
take life for granted, you cando this and that, but when
something happens like that it'slike, wow, they can.
You know your life can be takenfrom you, not in the sense of
death, but like you know, youcan be in an imprisoned and just
, you know, just be in there.
And they, you know, everybodyhas control over what you do,
where you go, and X, y and Z.
But at that moment I was like Ihave to, I have to do something
(09:37):
that that possibly override thesentence or the felony charge
that I got.
And so at that point, like Istarted reading a lot like
before that time, you know, Igraduated, obviously when was
high school, 18, up until 23,like I've never opened up a book
or anything like that on my ownand tried to read it or
anything like that.
But at that point I juststarted reading a lot of
self-development and then Irolled back and I rolled back in
(09:58):
college and I was like I got toget straight A's.
So once I graduate, my, myresume and my grades have to be
10 times better than the nextcandidate for even to be
overlooked.
So I won't be overlooked justbecause of this.
I have to be 10 times better.
So that kind of started me onlike a crazy self-development
(10:20):
type of journey, kind of whichI'm still on today, like I just
never stopped, it's neverstopped improving.
Even though my record isexpunged now and it publicly is
supposed to never be seen byanything, you still have those
thoughts in your mind that youknow what if they do see it,
what if they still can see it,or something like that.
(10:40):
So sometimes that you know Ihave those thoughts when I'm
applying for something like that.
So sometimes that you know Ihave those thoughts when I'm
applying for something and youknow I think anybody listening
to this should be, you know, tryto understand that.
You know don't limit yourselffrom you know trying to go to
the next level just because youmay think that you know whoever
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is looking at you as far as acandidate or anything like that,
don't make the decision forthem, like, just go through the
process and just see whathappens.
That's all I have to say aboutthat.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Right, and that's that's pretty.
That's pretty cool because thisaligns with my topic and kind
of what I'm talking about now ishow we shrink ourselves.
We shrink ourselves to for, forwhatever reason, to look good
to the next person, or we shrinkourselves before we even give
ourselves a chance, you know, tosay that.
(11:33):
You know this is possible.
I do.
I know someone who, um, has acharge and real minor charges.
You know, charge and real minorcharges.
You know, really really minor,you know.
And, um, I was talking to theyoung lady and I said, hey, you
know, she was like, oh, this isgoing to, it was over.
Really, it was like a racisttype thing.
(11:54):
And because she was protectingherself, uh, the person went and
pressed charge and so now it'slike, oh, you know, I'm never
going to be able to get a job,you know, work from home.
And I said, well, you know whynot?
You know, you know thesecharges are very they're just
charges, they're very minute,like, don't give up on yourself.
(12:16):
And now don't look, shrinkyourself to say, because of what
someone else did or what Iwasn't thinking, because of what
someone else did or what Iwasn't thinking, you know, we
can always bounce back.
We can always bounce back.
God gives us many, many, many.
He forgives us right.
So if God could forgive us, whyare we so hard on ourselves?
(12:38):
Why do we shrink ourselves totry to match up?
And that's a good point thatyou said For somebody who went
through something or is goingthrough something don't give up
on yourself and don't shrinkyourself to match the size.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, absolutely.
And then, yeah, at that pointwhere I said I went on that
personal development journey, Iwent back to college and
everything like that.
So traditionally I would, ortraditionally someone would
graduate college, university,with a bachelor's degree and
then they would do internshipsand then they would just try to
go work for a corporation or orsomething like that.
(13:14):
But I didn't do that.
So because I didn't do that?
Because, okay, I don't want toget rejected Nobody likes
getting rejected so I didn'teven want to apply.
This is why I applied to 10places.
Nobody's called me back Like Idid.
I just graduated for nothingand everything like that.
So I didn't want to.
I limited my mindset so Ididn't do that.
So what I did was I just starteda cleaning business, because
(13:38):
you know, if you own somethingnobody's going to fire, you
can't fire yourself.
So I just started a cleaningbusiness.
I did that for a couple ofyears.
I was still staying at myparents' house.
But that's not really what Iwanted to do.
It's just something that I feltlike I can do.
It was low cost of entry.
You just buy a couple ofcleaning supplies, you have
transportation and you kind ofput yourself out there a little
(13:59):
bit.
So that's what I did for maybelike three or four years, but
again, that's not something Iwanted to do.
I was just doing it and I wasjust doing enough, just to, you
know, be able to, you know, paymy bills and things like that,
cover my expenses.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
I was going to ask you how did that work out for
you?
How did that?
Was it a pretty successfulbusiness, a pretty successful
business.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Uh, yeah, I mean it worked out um successful.
I mean I didn't scale thebusiness to a a larger amount,
like I had.
I had a couple, um well, I hada fitness center.
I had a couple, uh, medicaloutpatient offices.
Uh, I had an apartment complex.
When people move out, I go inand clean it up, like that.
(14:49):
But I wasn't really puttingmyself out there.
I did the work initially justto make a certain amount of
money until I got comfortableand be able to pay my expenses
and everything like that.
I didn't try to scale to apoint where I could live off of
it for the rest of my life.
But I was still living at a momand dad's house at the time and
I was getting older and stilllike, is this, is this what I'm
going to do for the rest of mylife?
So I feel like, even thoughit's my own business, it's not
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really what I wanted to do andso I didn't want to do it
anymore.
So I started working, for Istarted driving trucks for my
brother-in-law, angie Vaughn,angie's ex-husband or late
ex-husband, and you know I waslike, okay, well, this is what
I'm going to do.
I'm probably going to move toin Philly, in Philly somewhere,
(15:37):
maybe in some suburb orsomething like that.
And then I started doing that.
I met some over the road truckdrivers who own their own
business.
Yeah, we make X, y and Z amonth.
I said, well, let me try that.
So that's when I startedgetting into trucking and did my
own trucking business.
So If I had not had the felonycharge I would have applied for
a company and just went straightinto corporate or something
like that.
So, yeah, I mean.
(15:57):
So when we talk about you knowtraumas and how they can affect
you and things like that, Ithink of, um, you know
disability.
A lot of people.
When you say disability, a lotof people think, uh, some
physical limitation, likethey're in a wheelchair or
something, or they can't reallyspeak or something along those
lines.
But I think the biggestdisability is is is mental, like
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limiting your.
You never even tried somethingbut you don't believe you can do
it and you just the way yourmindset is, it stops you from
doing a lot and to me that's thebiggest disability,
no-transcript.
So you know how does everybody Ithink everybody gains their you
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know, like in the military, alot of like PSTD or PTSD, yeah,
ptsd, and they have the traumaand stuff like that.
That's real and how we gain ourmindset is from our experiences
.
And so, like if you touch astove and it's hot, you're not
going to touch it again.
So whatever experiences youhave in life, they kind of teach
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you okay.
Well, I didn't like this.
So every decision moving forwardis going to be based around
your experiences.
And so, again, ptsd in themilitary you know all the crazy
stuff that everybody goesthrough in there that kind of
shapes the way they view theworld and how they react and
move.
And so because experience,because experiences shape the
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way you think and make decisions, experience you have to just I
think you just have to get into,just have to experience new
experiences and things you wantto do so that can reshape your
mind into, you know, moving in adifferent direction.
And so that's what.
That's what I would say.
Like if you're having troublethinking you, you know, fit in
here or you don't belong here,just try to create experiences
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in that area in order to, so youcan reshape the way your mind
works.
Like, well, I don't think Ibelong here, but when I went
there, you know them, peoplewelcomed me, they were, you know
they was helping me out andthings like that, so I do belong
here.
So now you start makingdifferent decisions.
So that's like kind of thetrauma you can have with.
(18:13):
You know, whatever you getyourself into, Right.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
And then life too.
We want young people tounderstand like nobody came into
this world and was told you'regoing to live a perfect life,
you're not going to have anyexperiences.
I look at all of our experienceexperiences, good or bad, like
life lessons.
That's what they are.
(18:36):
Life lesson, like you said,about touching the stove once
you touch it you find out it'shot.
You don't go that directionagain unless you wanted them
hard head people.
you know that can't get right,that just you know.
Continue to keep touching thehot stove, like one day you're
going to understand, and whenyou get that third degree burn,
(18:56):
like okay, you know, I don'tthink I want to touch this no
more.
You know, but life is all aboutlessons and chances and choices
.
Ok, we, you had a choice tochange your mindset and I kind
of look at your experience as agood learning, a real good
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lesson.
Like now you could have justlearned that lesson, or went
through that experience anddidn't learn anything from it,
totally gave up on yourself,totally just said, okay, well,
you know what, you know, youcould have got further in into
the drug selling.
I mean, you could have didanything yeah but you chose your
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mindset.
You know you had that littlefear.
At one point in time you shrunkyourself.
But this is all what I'mtalking about changing your
mindset.
Anybody you know parents couldhave kept talking to you.
Family, sisters and brotherscould have kept talking to you.
But if you don't have themindset for change, mindset for
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change, If you don't have themindset for choice, then nobody.
It doesn't matter what anybodysays, and I really commend you
for just saying you know what.
Okay, I want to start my ownbusiness, and that's good for a
lot of people who are out here.
Of course, we know that peopleof color are the highest people
that are incarcerated, Right,Some who went through similar
experiences like you, and thenthey don't get.
They don't have that courage,that motivation to do that.
(20:32):
So I love what we're sayingwhen we say like, OK, and you
would have been in corporate ifyou went this way and decide to
get.
You would have been incorporate if you went this way
and decided to get your degree.
You would have been incorporate.
But instead you took thatopportunity and you said you
know what?
I'm going to try my owncleaning business.
Then you went to your owntrucking business.
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So it is possible.
You just have to find out whatyou're good at.
I hear a lot of people say, well, I don't know what to do.
We talk about having a purposedriven life.
What is your purpose?
Some people don't know,especially not 20 years, and 20
years you didn't know what youwanted to do.
You know you didn't know, butyou made that choice.
(21:13):
What gives you what?
What gave you besides self,would you say, was just all you.
What gave you that motivationand that empowerment to want
better Upbringing?
What was it Spiritual?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I would think it's.
I think I would contribute itto environment, because it's not
I don't think it's necessarilyme.
I mean I do have a partindividually, but at the same
time you can't choose who you'reborn to.
You can't choose.
You know your environment yougrow up in and things like that.
For example, growing up, therewas a.
(21:57):
There was a kid, hisgrandfather was a doctor, his
dad was a doctor and now he's adoctor.
Father was a doctor, his dadwas a doctor and now he's a
doctor.
I mean, is that really him or isthat just where he was born
into?
And then, you know, you justkind of follow that lifestyle
and those steps.
And so I just think that youknow, I was lucky enough to be,
you know, born to my parents wholived in a certain area where
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you know almost zero crime and Iknow I did this in the area but
like there is no crime, whereyou already know what we live,
there's absolutely pretty muchno crime right there around that
area, and so it's just like youknow, I grew up in decent
school systems and everythinglike that.
So I just I guess it justreverted back to that.
(22:43):
I mean that's who I kind of was.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah, I mean it was a bad experience.
It was a bad mistake, which weall make mistakes.
Some people are just fortunateenough to be born into money
where they can cover up thosemistakes.
We didn't have those type ofparents that had money that
could just make everything goaway.
So you make mistakes, but thething about mistakes, the good
(23:11):
thing that I would say aboutmistakes, is that you can learn
from them.
We should never continue tobeat ourselves up over it.
Now you and I have two total.
We share the same father.
We share the same father and wehave different mothers.
But one thing that I will sayabout us too, and speaking from
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getting it from our dad, is youknow, we did an interview, as
you saw, as you all have seen,but our father was always a
hustler period.
You know, he always wanted to.
Whatever he did, he wanted tobe the best at it.
So I will say, like you said,um, talking about environment,
(23:59):
um, like you said, you grew upin a pretty good environment.
You had parents that wereworking parents, knew the value
of how to make money.
I think we can contribute alittle bit of that to say we
know who we want to be.
We don't know who we want to be, but we know that we want
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better for ourselves because,that's how we was raised.
We don't know who we want to be,but we know that we want better
for ourselves because that'show we was raised to always here
, you know what.
Better for yourself.
Like.
We're going to do it how wehave to.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
That will contribute to that.
That's, you know, for peoplewho don't have that sort of
upbringing.
Again, I said we live totallydifferent lives.
I lived with my mother and Iwill say a lot of things.
I I wasn't taught, I wasn'ttaught a lot of things.
So for me, I will say, the waythat I had to learn was just
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actually from scratch.
My mother, you know, she, shewas disabled, so she didn't
really work.
She was a nurse when I wasyounger, but I watched my
grandparents work hard.
I just knew it was always, youknow.
Then you know you had thatdaddy, you know, when you see
him, it was, he was singing, hewas a manager, he was a business
(25:25):
owner, he was, and you know Ilooked up to my parents.
I always knew I wanted to, youknow, watch my mom in the
medical field.
I knew I wanted to help peoplewatch my dad.
I just knew I had some talentsomewhere.
But you know, it's about yourenvironment somewhat.
But it's also when I watchpeople who don't have literally
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a parent at all.
What do we say to them?
People, you know, and then Iwatch some of them who grow up
and some men are misguided.
You know, the first thing theysay is I didn't have nobody to
teach me that.
I didn't have nobody to teachme that.
So what do we say to thesepeople who say that they didn't
have the kind of upbringingmaybe we had or the role models
(26:10):
that we had?
You know, because I look atthat as like a handicap.
Like you said, disability, Ilook at that as a handicap just
because you didn't have a parentor someone to look up to.
What would you say to them?
I know what I would say.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I would just say that , yes, you know, coming from a
two-parent household, and themajority of the neighborhood I
grew up in it was liketwo-parent household and the
majority of the neighborhood Igrew up in it was like two
parent household.
So, like you know, every friendI had pretty much had two
parents their whole life andtheir parents are still together
to this day.
And if it was, I have a friendwho you know grew up in a one
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parent household, but that'sonly because his dad passed away
and so yes, your parents, Idon't.
People shouldn't think of thatas a handicap.
I didn't have parents, I didn'thave anybody X, y and Z.
But the reality is, yes, you'rein the house with your parents,
but you're more in the world.
(27:12):
Like you know, kids are inschool eight, 10 hours, so
you're more with outside.
You're more with outsideinfluences, more than you are
with your parents, your parents.
What do you?
You know you wake up, you go toschool, you're at school all
day.
You come home, one of theparents still might be working,
so you just eat dinner and justrun outside and you're playing
with your neighbors and stufflike that.
So, yes, your parents are thereand they serve as a guidance.
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But for the most part, you'regetting your influence from the
outside world more than theinside world.
So I would just say don't justbecause you don't have, you know
, parents or a guardianship oryour parents whoever your
guardians are mentoring you andthings like that it doesn't mean
that you can't become something.
You just got to focus.
I would say, focus more on theoutside influences, because
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that's who you know.
The television, the internetthese days the television, the
internet the school frames everyyear.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
All that is going to be more influenced than your
parents are.
Again, you're hitting it righton the nose because, again, you
grew up in a two-parenthousehold.
I grew up in a single-parenthousehold.
But the streets now I grew upin.
I grew up in West Philly Okay,I grew up in West Philly.
Okay, I grew up in West Phillyand it was either crime, drugs,
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you know, I I was on the streetcorner, y'all.
I was on the street corner okay.
I was the kid out there, youknow, um, you know, ran away
from home at one time because mymother was just, you know,
mothering and it was like youknow, oh gosh.
You know this, you know I wantto do.
I want to be a little bit morefreer.
(28:52):
So you know again makingmistakes out there on the
corners selling drugs, you knowwhat I'm saying but it has to be
something with again.
I could have lived a whole,total, different life, but I
just knew that this is not whatI want to do.
This, this is this, is not itbeing in the project, standing
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on corners selling drugs.
You know, I always knew that Iwanted more.
So that's what I mean, that Iwanted more.
So that's what I mean.
You know, even though we sharethe same father, we grew up in
two total different.
We're both successful peopleright now.
And for me it was a little bitharder because I had to go
through a little bit of the hardroad, because I didn't you know
, I didn't have too much, but Ilooked at it like, look, this is
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what I don't want.
And I, look, I don't want togrow.
I don't want to grow up and beand raise children in poverty
level.
I want my children to have.
Reason why I joined the militaryat you know, at an older age,
at 30, I just never gave up onmyself.
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So that's what I would say toyoung people is never give up on
yourself, regardless of yourenvironment.
Don't let your environment goodor you know, you know well, if
it's good, of course you want totake that, but not so
successful or good environment.
It's all about choice.
(30:23):
What do you see yourself?
You saw yourself in a differentlight.
So therefore, you ain't got it.
You couldn't you.
You had doubts about certainthings, but you opened other
windows, you opened other doors,you opened other mindsets for
yourself, and that's what wewant to tell our young people to
open up different avenues inyour mind, because it all starts
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well.
We can say environment, but ifyour environment is you growing
up in the hood, you know, or youknow you growing up in a place
where, like you've been, yeah.
You have to.
It's all about choice.
It's all about choice.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
That's one thing.
I would say yeah, and I wouldsay nobody's better than the
other, because you know peoplewho grew up in rich
neighborhoods they have.
They got their drug issues andstuff too.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
But you just don't think it's like that because
that's all the houses are niceand the neighborhoods are nice,
but some people in there doingall types of stuff and things
like that too, all types theyjust some people are able to
hide just a little bit after awhile.
It shows it shows.
But, like you said, no oneperson is better than the next.
It's all about who you are andyou have.
Sometimes we have to find outwho are we, who do we want to be
(31:48):
?
Would you agree with that?
Would you say that?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, yeah, find out who you want to be, like you
said, you know, I'm 41 right nowand I still don't know exactly
who I want to.
I mean, you have a whole bunchof interests.
Obviously you can't do them all.
You don't want to put yourself.
Well, I like these 10 things.
I'm just only going to do thisone thing.
So it's kind of hard, and Ithink that's what's wrong with
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society.
We ask kids at kindergartenfirst what do you want to be
when you grow up?
Then how can somebody justpinpoint exactly what they're
going to be, even at any age,for that matter?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
What's the answer they always give Doctors?
Speaker 1 (32:25):
police, yeah, stuff like that.
And even at my age right now orany age like 20s, 30s you just
got to find something you likeand, you know, just go in that
direction.
I don't think you should justkind of make your whole
personality, your character, aspecific job title anyway, you
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know it's just.
You know society makes youthink you don't have your life
together if you're not like I amI am a electrician, I am a
doctor Like they try to make yousay that you're something and
just live that type of lifestyle.
But no, you are a person wholikes multiple things.
Just find something that canget you the lifestyle that you
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want.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
And mastering, mastering.
You know, I think, that today'sgeneration is so lazy minded.
They relax mind, lazy mind.
However you want, want.
I'm trying to be nice, but justfrom what I see, they just want
to sit and it should come to meit should fall.
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Our ancestors worked and that'sthe that's.
That's kind of the thing thatdisappoints me too.
Our ancestors worked hard, hardto get some of us where we are
today, and some of us just don'twant to take that hard work, um
, and make things happen andthink just a little bit more
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outside the box.
You know, and like me and youwhich I'm sure you have two
beautiful boys, a beautiful wife, and I'm sure that you're
bringing your boys up in adifferent way than what you were
raised.
Like for my children, I knowthat I'm bringing them up in a
different way that I was raised,because now, when my children
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came into they didn't really.
You know, I paved the way, youknow, by going into the military
.
So now they're paid, I wouldsay, my children, they do pretty
good for themselves, they havea standard of where they want to
live, how they want to raisetheir children.
And then when I look at mygrandchildren, it's like, yeah,
they're spoiled.
(34:37):
They're spoiled, like I refuse,like I just had two
grandchildren that ran away fromhome because their mother was
like you know, no, you're notgoing to have that, you're not
going to do that and until youdo better, and I'd even say that
all the things that I'mcreating generational wealth.
I will not give you anythingjust as a handout.
(34:58):
You know they expect some kidswhen you, so it's like it has to
be a balance when we're raisingchildren.
You know, because you don't wantto.
I think Shaquille O'Neal I haveread, or it was an interview he
(35:19):
said that he wasn't giving hischildren nothing for free, like
they had to earn at least have adegree or something under their
belt, and I respect that.
I respect that wholeheartedlyand, like I was saying, I'm sure
that you're raising your boysin a different way or in the
same way.
How are you raising your boystoday?
Let me ask that question whatdo you want your sons to know?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Well, I just like you know, like I heard that Sha
heard that she killed a nailthing as well before, and I
think that, um, that's extremelyimportant, because I think I
heard some statistics orsomething along the lines of
after the third generation, likeall the the generational wealth
that was passed down the houses, the money, whatever things
like it's gone.
So so I think it's moreimportant to pass down a certain
(36:03):
standard and a certain like acertain standard of living, so
that whoever you know like ifShaq, just if Shaquille O'Neal
just passed all his business andall his money to his kids and
they didn't, you know, theydidn't do anything, like they're
just going to spend it up andyou know somebody's going to
find a way to get all that moneyfrom them.
(36:24):
Buy this, buy that and this andthis and this and that.
But for my boy, I'm trying tobecome the best version of
myself, or live a life that Iwould like live a life, or live
a life that you know, my kids Iwould be happy that my kids
became out just like me.
So I'm just going to, I'mtrying to create the environment
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for them, a certain standard.
Wherever you grew up.
I think you either want tomaintain that or you want to go
higher.
So I'm trying to create alifestyle to where my kids okay,
well, you know how they grew up, but they want to go above that
.
So, yeah, just basically just amindset of you know you got to
(37:09):
work hard, you got to sacrifice.
I'm trying to get in the rightnetworking circle so that they
can.
That's why this is kind of alittle bit off a little bit.
But this is kind of why, like,people with money send their
kids to private school, notbecause the education is
necessarily better or anythinglike that, but like who are the?
(37:33):
Who are the other kids andtheir parents?
Like business owners,entrepreneurs, doctors, lawyers
and stuff like that.
So like your kids are growingup with other kids who, who have
a different mindset and adifferent network network.
So you just try to give yourkids the mindset and a certain
standard to live by so that whenyou're gone that they can.
You know, you you want them tolive, uh, better than you,
you're, you're living.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Right.
And what would you say about?
What would you say to your boysabout mistakes?
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Yeah, it's, it's okay .
I mean, it's okay to makemistakes, obviously, because
every I believe everybody, Idon't care who you are, from the
president to the governor,whoever everybody's always done
something that was illegal insome form.
Some people get caught, somepeople don't, or some people do
get caught and they have a wayto work themselves out of it.
I would just say you know it'sokay to make mistakes because
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you're going to make them anyway, but you know, I'm going to try
to keep away from the, theharsh mistakes that can, you
know, kind of ruin your life.
As far as, like the people whodo get caught and go to a jail
for 10, 15, 20 your life, orsomething like that.
Um, I'm going to try this.
Mistakes, let me.
Let's clarify mistakes in whichway?
(38:42):
Like anything in life, or justwell, any well, anything in life
.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Well, let's, let's stay on.
Uh, let's stay on to well, itcould be any mistake, but you
know what your mistake was.
You know, um, selling drugsyeah, yeah.
You know, what would you say tosomebody?
Uh to uh a person who's goingthrough that same situation, or
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you know, or any mistake.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah, I mean, if it was something like that I did,
and when you have a record orsomething like that, it's not
the end of the world andpossibly get expunged, and if
not, you're just going to, atthe end of the day, nobody owes
you anything, nobody owes you ajob.
They don't have to hire you foranything.
So like if if you're in asituation where you can't get a
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job because of your record forwhatever reason, and it can't,
you have a record that can't beexpunged, I mean you're just
going to have to, you know, putyourself about a bootstraps
network, self-develop, and then,you know, start a business
Again.
I started a cleaning business.
How much does that really take?
Probably like two hundreddollars to register the business
name and go to Walmart orwhatever store and buy a few
(39:56):
cleaning supplies and get littlejobs here and there.
Next thing, you know, you getword of mouth, referrals and
you're growing from there.
Little jobs here and there.
Next thing, you know, you getword of mouth, referrals and
you're growing from there.
So I mean that might not bewhat you want to do, but at
least it's something that getsyou started and confident in
doing something until you findsomething else and that's kind
of how I looked at it.
So, like there's always,businesses, you can start with
little to no money and, you know, earn money for yourself.
(40:18):
So I would say it's not the endof the world.
Earn money for yourself.
I would say it's not the end ofthe world.
We live in America.
There's opportunity everywhere.
Having a record is not a deathsentence.
You can get your way out of.
It's going to have to beindependent.
You can't rely on somebody togive you a job and give you a
pay every week, but it can bedone.
(40:40):
It can be done.
Sometimes you got to do In thetrucking industry.
There's a lot of people who haverecords and they go into
trucking.
It's not the ideal lifestylebut it pays really well.
But sometimes a lot of peopledon't want to do it, like I
can't find a job or the job Ihave doesn't pay enough.
The thing is like you weretalking about.
Sometimes people just don'twant to do what has to be done.
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They don't want to.
They don't want to sacrifice.
I mean, nobody's telling you tobe a truck driver or anything
that you don't want to do for 20, 30 years.
Just just get in somewhere, getyour foot in the door, get your
good experience and then youknow, just move on from that
while you try to transition intothe next thing that you really
want.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
And that's great.
That's great, that's a greatword right there, lance.
It's all about determination,not giving up, changing your
mindset, and that is exactlywhat we talk about here on B3U
and my brother.
I appreciate you coming on andbeing transparent and sharing
your story and showing people,young people especially, that
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you know it's not too late.
Don't give up.
You know again, society canteach you that it's over, but
you'll never know until you try.
If you don't try and you justput it out in the atmosphere
that it's not going to happen,you're already defeating.
You're already shrinkingyourself to match what
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statistics say or what somebodytold you.
In the military we call thembarracks lawyers.
You have to stop listening tothe barracks lawyers.
You have to research, have tostop listening to the barracks
lawyers.
You have to research foryourself.
Do the work, do the work.
You have to do the work and Iwill say for me, most of my
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things has been very spiritual.
I lean on God, was raised inthe church, I am a believer and
I do know for a fact that theBible is correct when they say
faith without work.
You can't just wish for it andthen don't put no work behind it
.
So I commend you, and you're mybrother and I love you.
(42:54):
I'm proud of everything thatyou have done and are doing, and
I can't wait to see what.
What's next, you know?
Um, I want to uh say one morething, because you know you have
a niece that loves you.
She you're like on this highpedestal to her because you
taught yourself Japanese.
(43:16):
Am I correct?
yes you taught yourself Japaneseand she was doing that same
thing.
So a man, you're a man who hasa determined determination like
a spirit, a willing spirit, andthat's what I love most about
our family, the Williams family.
(43:36):
We are some determined jokers.
We are determined, and that'swhether you have it in your
family or you don't have it inyour family Determination is key
.
Determination is key, so goahead.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
You know.
I want to say one last thing.
You said the barracks lawyersdon't listen to people.
Due to research yourself, Iwould say Even don't.
I mean don't even getdiscouraged from what you find
on Google and all these forumsand everything like that.
Because, because everythingthat I've read when I had, when
I had a record that wasn'texposed, oh I couldn't go, I
couldn't do this, I couldn't dothat.
(44:13):
So everything that I read italmost makes you still want to
give up because everything issaying like you can't do it.
But everything you said Icouldn't do, I've done it.
No truck company is going tohire you.
I had my own trucking company.
I worked for trucking companies, probably like three or four of
them.
So like if I just looked onGoogle and saw like oh no,
you're done, then that was it.
(44:33):
Now there's always somebody outthere that will give you a
chance.
You just got to, like you said,have the determination and
willingness to continue to lookfor the opportunities and to
have the determination andwillingness to continue to look
for the opportunities, andthat's so true.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Well, thank you, lance Williams, my brother, my
baby brother.
I thank you for coming on andsharing your transparency.
I look forward to you comingback and sharing maybe something
else that could help someoneelse on.
Whatever is next, and I thankmy viewers for coming and
sharing this time with Mr LanceWilliams and your host, brie
Charles.
(45:05):
We'll see you guys.
Thanks for having me.
Welcome everybody, welcome back all my listeners
and my viewers to V3U.
And today we have theopportunity to interview with my
brother, my baby brother, lanceWilliams.
Everybody welcome him to theshow.
So, lance, let's get right intoit.
What are you doing right now,today?
(00:29):
What are you up to?
Anisdi?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Right now I would say that I'm in transition from,
let's just say, for the past.
You know, let's just go overthe past 10 years.
So, like for seven years I hadmy own trucking company, I was
driving, but then I started afamily, had my first kid and I
didn't want to be away I'llanswer these in later things but
(00:53):
I just didn't want to be awayfrom the family.
I transitioned to see what Ican do locally outside of
trucking that would be able tosupport my family and give me
the work-life balance that I waslooking for, and my family
wanted it as well.
But I did a couple of thingsWe'll get into that later,
probably but I did a couple ofthings as far as different
(01:14):
industries and stuff like that,but ultimately I landed right
back into a local trucking job,just as an employee this time,
which gives me excellentwork-life balance.
So that's kind of where I'm atright now.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Okay, awesome, awesome, always doing great
things, just awesome.
Of course, because he's mybrother, y'all know I'm going to
say that he's awesome, right,but he really is.
So we you know B3U, as we allknow we come and we share what
(01:45):
trauma or what trial ortribulation we have experienced.
So, lance, I'm going to startasking you what is a story that
you would love to share in orderthat somebody can relate to and
possibly help them out.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Absolutely so.
Back in around maybe about 2006, 2007, 2008, somewhere around
there, I got in trouble forselling uncontrolled substance,
or controlled substance,whatever you want to name it as.
And that's the first time thatI've ever gotten in trouble with
(02:21):
anything Like.
If anybody knew me, I wouldprobably be the last person they
would think would do somethinglike that.
But in my mind while I wasdoing that, it's not what you
see on TV or anything like that.
It's just like I didn't eventhink you know people standing
in the corners with guns and allthis other stuff.
I'm in my house watching HomeAlone 2 or just watching TV or
playing video games, justplaying with my friends, and if
(02:42):
someone called me I'd go outthere, make the sale, whatever
like that, and then I just, youknow, back to my regular life.
I was just thinking of, you know, just the money aspect of it.
It's like, you know, everybodywants to make money.
You know, I don't think that'snot the right way to do it
because there's other ways youcan do it.
It's slower but it's morerewarding and it's less trouble
(03:03):
that way.
But you know, I was justthinking about OK, I'm going to
just make.
This is how I'm just going tomake a little bit of extra money
, because I've seen people I'veknown making money, living a
certain lifestyle and thingslike that.
I didn't necessarily want totake it to that extreme.
I just wanted to have a littlebit of money in my pocket.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
That's all your money in your pocket.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah, I'm not thinking about how old?
Yeah, I'm not thinking abouthow old were you at this at this
time.
Oh, that was about almost 20years ago, so I was probably
like the early 20s, like 21, 21.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
So you know that's, that's a relatable thing,
because you know most of ouryoung people out here.
What was the first thing theywant to do?
Right, they want to make thequick money yeah, yeah quick
money.
So that's, that's what it wasfor you.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
That happened.
Like I said, I've never been introuble before.
You ever see one of the movieswhere I got processed.
I got taken to the local county.
That whole time.
(04:04):
It was kind of like a surrealexperience in the sense that you
ever see one of the movieswhere the person is just like
they're like frozen or in atrance and everything is moving
around them.
I was kind of like in that beatjust thinking about life in
general, like my not my lifeflashing before my eyes, like
I'm about to die.
(04:25):
But just you know what did Iget myself into?
What does this mean?
Like I didn't know the severityof you know what just happened.
Like you know, people can takeyour away your life for five or
10 years or whatever the casemay be, whatever the whatever
the sentence is.
But luckily I was my first timeever doing anything.
And then they just got, youknow, probation, uh, community
(04:49):
service, things like that.
But like I said, that was, ittook a huge mental toll on me as
a person and just like myconfidence level.
And you know, when you getrecords and things like that,
you start reading up on stuffand stuff and you can't get a
job, you can't get an apartment.
You can't get an apartment, youcan't do anything.
So it's like, like you know, ismy life over, so that that just
(05:10):
started me making differentcertain decisions in my life, or
just holding back my fullpotential as a person, because I
think like, yeah, I'm going totry this, I'll put all this
effort and working to it and inthe end I'm just going to get
rejected anyway.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
So it's like it kind of stopped me from reaching my
full potential at that point.
Yeah, were you in like acertain like a depression phase,
going through everything?
Speaker 1 (05:36):
uh, I.
I wouldn't say, uh, depressionlike that.
I would just say, like you know, I had my moments where I just
felt like you know what, youknow what am I going to become,
and and things like that.
Like as far as like uh, youknow, you do feel down, so you
(05:56):
feel like a depression state,but I wasn't in like a deep day,
I didn't feel like I couldn'tdo anything.
I just felt like the person whoI wanted to become I.
I felt like I couldn't becomethat because of my records.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
And what was so?
What was the time?
How long were you?
Were you incarcerated for it oryou just got charged.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
No, so that day they they processed me, they took me
to the County, probably arrivedthere at three or 4 pm and I was
out the next morning and then Ijust had to show up to court in
this probation communityservice and things like that.
So I want to say I spent likemaybe 12 hours in the county,
(06:39):
but that was about it.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
But it just was like an eye-opener, a life-changer.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, because one minute you're able to drive and
do whatever you want, go whereyou want, and then the other
minute you're just in a placewith people.
That is nothing like you, Ihave to say.
I think I'm better than anybody, but just how I grew up where I
grew up the person I am even atthat anybody.
But like just the the, how Igrew up where I grew up the
person, I am even at that timeeven doing that stuff.
(07:09):
Like I said.
I said it's not.
I was just.
I feel like I was just a regularperson just trying to make
money.
I wasn't thinking about whatthose could do to the people who
are taking them or theirfamilies or anything like that.
I'm just thinking it's just apaycheck for me at the end of
the day, but it's just like okay, now in the county people are
(07:29):
coming in all drugged out andoverdosed and with wild crazy
stuff and I'm like, wow, I justwear a helmet right now, what,
looking around, that's kind oflike I can relate to that,
because the military experienceI just wanted to get away.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I wanted to do better for myself, I just wanted to
make some good money.
And you know, I was like I'mgoing to the Army, you know, you
know, and I was gone in twoweeks they told me, hey, we take
the test and you can try to dobetter.
And I was like, no, I'm tryingto get out of Philly.
I'm ready to go better.
And I was like, no, I'm tryingto get out of Philly.
(08:07):
I'm ready to go and I hit Iain't never been out of the city
of Philadelphia and I get to um, fort Jackson Relaxion Jackson,
we call it and I'm like whatthe hell did I get myself into?
Because people are yelling atme.
Like why are you yelling at me?
You could just tell me to runup the hill.
I'll run up the hill, you ain'tgotta spit in my face and yell
(08:29):
at me and make me do it.
So I understand totally whatyou're saying.
It was just a moment for you.
What I'm hearing you say was,like what the hell is going on,
because this is not me, hey, I'mjust trying to make a little
extra cash.
So I I get that.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I get that totally I get that, yeah, and it was like
at that point it was like it wasa.
That point was a pivotal, Ithink.
Like I said, I was about 22, 23, something like that, but um,
that was a pivotal point for mein the sense that after that I
was like, wow, this, you know,serious, you know, you kind of
(09:06):
take life for granted, you cando this and that, but when
something happens like that it'slike, wow, they can.
You know your life can be takenfrom you, not in the sense of
death, but like you know, youcan be in an imprisoned and just
, you know, just be in there.
And they, you know, everybodyhas control over what you do,
where you go, and X, y and Z.
But at that moment I was like Ihave to, I have to do something
(09:37):
that that possibly override thesentence or the felony charge
that I got.
And so at that point, like Istarted reading a lot like
before that time, you know, Igraduated, obviously when was
high school, 18, up until 23,like I've never opened up a book
or anything like that on my ownand tried to read it or
anything like that.
But at that point I juststarted reading a lot of
self-development and then Irolled back and I rolled back in
(09:58):
college and I was like I got toget straight A's.
So once I graduate, my, myresume and my grades have to be
10 times better than the nextcandidate for even to be
overlooked.
So I won't be overlooked justbecause of this.
I have to be 10 times better.
So that kind of started me onlike a crazy self-development
(10:20):
type of journey, kind of whichI'm still on today, like I just
never stopped, it's neverstopped improving.
Even though my record isexpunged now and it publicly is
supposed to never be seen byanything, you still have those
thoughts in your mind that youknow what if they do see it,
what if they still can see it,or something like that.
(10:40):
So sometimes that you know Ihave those thoughts when I'm
applying for something like that.
So sometimes that you know Ihave those thoughts when I'm
applying for something and youknow I think anybody listening
to this should be, you know, tryto understand that.
You know don't limit yourselffrom you know trying to go to
the next level just because youmay think that you know whoever
(11:01):
is looking at you as far as acandidate or anything like that,
don't make the decision forthem, like, just go through the
process and just see whathappens.
That's all I have to say aboutthat.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Right, and that's that's pretty.
That's pretty cool because thisaligns with my topic and kind
of what I'm talking about now ishow we shrink ourselves.
We shrink ourselves to for, forwhatever reason, to look good
to the next person, or we shrinkourselves before we even give
ourselves a chance, you know, tosay that.
(11:33):
You know this is possible.
I do.
I know someone who, um, has acharge and real minor charges.
You know, charge and real minorcharges.
You know, really really minor,you know.
And, um, I was talking to theyoung lady and I said, hey, you
know, she was like, oh, this isgoing to, it was over.
Really, it was like a racisttype thing.
(11:54):
And because she was protectingherself, uh, the person went and
pressed charge and so now it'slike, oh, you know, I'm never
going to be able to get a job,you know, work from home.
And I said, well, you know whynot?
You know, you know thesecharges are very they're just
charges, they're very minute,like, don't give up on yourself.
(12:16):
And now don't look, shrinkyourself to say, because of what
someone else did or what Iwasn't thinking, because of what
someone else did or what Iwasn't thinking, you know, we
can always bounce back.
We can always bounce back.
God gives us many, many, many.
He forgives us right.
So if God could forgive us, whyare we so hard on ourselves?
(12:38):
Why do we shrink ourselves totry to match up?
And that's a good point thatyou said For somebody who went
through something or is goingthrough something don't give up
on yourself and don't shrinkyourself to match the size.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yeah, absolutely.
And then, yeah, at that pointwhere I said I went on that
personal development journey, Iwent back to college and
everything like that.
So traditionally I would, ortraditionally someone would
graduate college, university,with a bachelor's degree and
then they would do internshipsand then they would just try to
go work for a corporation or orsomething like that.
(13:14):
But I didn't do that.
So because I didn't do that?
Because, okay, I don't want toget rejected Nobody likes
getting rejected so I didn'teven want to apply.
This is why I applied to 10places.
Nobody's called me back Like Idid.
I just graduated for nothingand everything like that.
So I didn't want to.
I limited my mindset so Ididn't do that.
So what I did was I just starteda cleaning business, because
(13:38):
you know, if you own somethingnobody's going to fire, you
can't fire yourself.
So I just started a cleaningbusiness.
I did that for a couple ofyears.
I was still staying at myparents' house.
But that's not really what Iwanted to do.
It's just something that I feltlike I can do.
It was low cost of entry.
You just buy a couple ofcleaning supplies, you have
transportation and you kind ofput yourself out there a little
(13:59):
bit.
So that's what I did for maybelike three or four years, but
again, that's not something Iwanted to do.
I was just doing it and I wasjust doing enough, just to, you
know, be able to, you know, paymy bills and things like that,
cover my expenses.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
I was going to ask you how did that work out for
you?
How did that?
Was it a pretty successfulbusiness, a pretty successful
business.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Uh, yeah, I mean it worked out um successful.
I mean I didn't scale thebusiness to a a larger amount,
like I had.
I had a couple, um well, I hada fitness center.
I had a couple, uh, medicaloutpatient offices.
Uh, I had an apartment complex.
When people move out, I go inand clean it up, like that.
(14:49):
But I wasn't really puttingmyself out there.
I did the work initially justto make a certain amount of
money until I got comfortableand be able to pay my expenses
and everything like that.
I didn't try to scale to apoint where I could live off of
it for the rest of my life.
But I was still living at a momand dad's house at the time and
I was getting older and stilllike, is this, is this what I'm
going to do for the rest of mylife?
So I feel like, even thoughit's my own business, it's not
(15:10):
really what I wanted to do andso I didn't want to do it
anymore.
So I started working, for Istarted driving trucks for my
brother-in-law, angie Vaughn,angie's ex-husband or late
ex-husband, and you know I waslike, okay, well, this is what
I'm going to do.
I'm probably going to move toin Philly, in Philly somewhere,
(15:37):
maybe in some suburb orsomething like that.
And then I started doing that.
I met some over the road truckdrivers who own their own
business.
Yeah, we make X, y and Z amonth.
I said, well, let me try that.
So that's when I startedgetting into trucking and did my
own trucking business.
So If I had not had the felonycharge I would have applied for
a company and just went straightinto corporate or something
like that.
So, yeah, I mean.
(15:57):
So when we talk about you knowtraumas and how they can affect
you and things like that, Ithink of, um, you know
disability.
A lot of people.
When you say disability, a lotof people think, uh, some
physical limitation, likethey're in a wheelchair or
something, or they can't reallyspeak or something along those
lines.
But I think the biggestdisability is is is mental, like
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limiting your.
You never even tried somethingbut you don't believe you can do
it and you just the way yourmindset is, it stops you from
doing a lot and to me that's thebiggest disability,
no-transcript.
So you know how does everybody Ithink everybody gains their you
(16:42):
know, like in the military, alot of like PSTD or PTSD, yeah,
ptsd, and they have the traumaand stuff like that.
That's real and how we gain ourmindset is from our experiences
.
And so, like if you touch astove and it's hot, you're not
going to touch it again.
So whatever experiences youhave in life, they kind of teach
(17:03):
you okay.
Well, I didn't like this.
So every decision moving forwardis going to be based around
your experiences.
And so, again, ptsd in themilitary you know all the crazy
stuff that everybody goesthrough in there that kind of
shapes the way they view theworld and how they react and
move.
And so because experience,because experiences shape the
(17:29):
way you think and make decisions, experience you have to just I
think you just have to get into,just have to experience new
experiences and things you wantto do so that can reshape your
mind into, you know, moving in adifferent direction.
And so that's what.
That's what I would say.
Like if you're having troublethinking you, you know, fit in
here or you don't belong here,just try to create experiences
(17:52):
in that area in order to, so youcan reshape the way your mind
works.
Like, well, I don't think Ibelong here, but when I went
there, you know them, peoplewelcomed me, they were, you know
they was helping me out andthings like that, so I do belong
here.
So now you start makingdifferent decisions.
So that's like kind of thetrauma you can have with.
(18:13):
You know, whatever you getyourself into, Right.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
And then life too.
We want young people tounderstand like nobody came into
this world and was told you'regoing to live a perfect life,
you're not going to have anyexperiences.
I look at all of our experienceexperiences, good or bad, like
life lessons.
That's what they are.
(18:36):
Life lesson, like you said,about touching the stove once
you touch it you find out it'shot.
You don't go that directionagain unless you wanted them
hard head people.
you know that can't get right,that just you know.
Continue to keep touching thehot stove, like one day you're
going to understand, and whenyou get that third degree burn,
(18:56):
like okay, you know, I don'tthink I want to touch this no
more.
You know, but life is all aboutlessons and chances and choices
.
Ok, we, you had a choice tochange your mindset and I kind
of look at your experience as agood learning, a real good
(19:19):
lesson.
Like now you could have justlearned that lesson, or went
through that experience anddidn't learn anything from it,
totally gave up on yourself,totally just said, okay, well,
you know what, you know, youcould have got further in into
the drug selling.
I mean, you could have didanything yeah but you chose your
(19:40):
mindset.
You know you had that littlefear.
At one point in time you shrunkyourself.
But this is all what I'mtalking about changing your
mindset.
Anybody you know parents couldhave kept talking to you.
Family, sisters and brotherscould have kept talking to you.
But if you don't have themindset for change, mindset for
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change, If you don't have themindset for choice, then nobody.
It doesn't matter what anybodysays, and I really commend you
for just saying you know what.
Okay, I want to start my ownbusiness, and that's good for a
lot of people who are out here.
Of course, we know that peopleof color are the highest people
that are incarcerated, Right,Some who went through similar
experiences like you, and thenthey don't get.
They don't have that courage,that motivation to do that.
(20:32):
So I love what we're sayingwhen we say like, OK, and you
would have been in corporate ifyou went this way and decide to
get.
You would have been incorporate if you went this way
and decided to get your degree.
You would have been incorporate.
But instead you took thatopportunity and you said you
know what?
I'm going to try my owncleaning business.
Then you went to your owntrucking business.
(20:53):
So it is possible.
You just have to find out whatyou're good at.
I hear a lot of people say, well, I don't know what to do.
We talk about having a purposedriven life.
What is your purpose?
Some people don't know,especially not 20 years, and 20
years you didn't know what youwanted to do.
You know you didn't know, butyou made that choice.
(21:13):
What gives you what?
What gave you besides self,would you say, was just all you.
What gave you that motivationand that empowerment to want
better Upbringing?
What was it Spiritual?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I would think it's.
I think I would contribute itto environment, because it's not
I don't think it's necessarilyme.
I mean I do have a partindividually, but at the same
time you can't choose who you'reborn to.
You can't choose.
You know your environment yougrow up in and things like that.
For example, growing up, therewas a.
(21:57):
There was a kid, hisgrandfather was a doctor, his
dad was a doctor and now he's adoctor.
Father was a doctor, his dadwas a doctor and now he's a
doctor.
I mean, is that really him or isthat just where he was born
into?
And then, you know, you justkind of follow that lifestyle
and those steps.
And so I just think that youknow, I was lucky enough to be,
you know, born to my parents wholived in a certain area where
(22:20):
you know almost zero crime and Iknow I did this in the area but
like there is no crime, whereyou already know what we live,
there's absolutely pretty muchno crime right there around that
area, and so it's just like youknow, I grew up in decent
school systems and everythinglike that.
So I just I guess it justreverted back to that.
(22:43):
I mean that's who I kind of was.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah, I mean it was a bad experience.
It was a bad mistake, which weall make mistakes.
Some people are just fortunateenough to be born into money
where they can cover up thosemistakes.
We didn't have those type ofparents that had money that
could just make everything goaway.
So you make mistakes, but thething about mistakes, the good
(23:11):
thing that I would say aboutmistakes, is that you can learn
from them.
We should never continue tobeat ourselves up over it.
Now you and I have two total.
We share the same father.
We share the same father and wehave different mothers.
But one thing that I will sayabout us too, and speaking from
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getting it from our dad, is youknow, we did an interview, as
you saw, as you all have seen,but our father was always a
hustler period.
You know, he always wanted to.
Whatever he did, he wanted tobe the best at it.
So I will say, like you said,um, talking about environment,
(23:59):
um, like you said, you grew upin a pretty good environment.
You had parents that wereworking parents, knew the value
of how to make money.
I think we can contribute alittle bit of that to say we
know who we want to be.
We don't know who we want to be, but we know that we want
(24:21):
better for ourselves because,that's how we was raised.
We don't know who we want to be,but we know that we want better
for ourselves because that'show we was raised to always here
, you know what.
Better for yourself.
Like.
We're going to do it how wehave to.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
That will contribute to that.
That's, you know, for peoplewho don't have that sort of
upbringing.
Again, I said we live totallydifferent lives.
I lived with my mother and Iwill say a lot of things.
I I wasn't taught, I wasn'ttaught a lot of things.
So for me, I will say, the waythat I had to learn was just
(25:03):
actually from scratch.
My mother, you know, she, shewas disabled, so she didn't
really work.
She was a nurse when I wasyounger, but I watched my
grandparents work hard.
I just knew it was always, youknow.
Then you know you had thatdaddy, you know, when you see
him, it was, he was singing, hewas a manager, he was a business
(25:25):
owner, he was, and you know Ilooked up to my parents.
I always knew I wanted to, youknow, watch my mom in the
medical field.
I knew I wanted to help peoplewatch my dad.
I just knew I had some talentsomewhere.
But you know, it's about yourenvironment somewhat.
But it's also when I watchpeople who don't have literally
(25:47):
a parent at all.
What do we say to them?
People, you know, and then Iwatch some of them who grow up
and some men are misguided.
You know, the first thing theysay is I didn't have nobody to
teach me that.
I didn't have nobody to teachme that.
So what do we say to thesepeople who say that they didn't
have the kind of upbringingmaybe we had or the role models
(26:10):
that we had?
You know, because I look atthat as like a handicap.
Like you said, disability, Ilook at that as a handicap just
because you didn't have a parentor someone to look up to.
What would you say to them?
I know what I would say.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I would just say that , yes, you know, coming from a
two-parent household, and themajority of the neighborhood I
grew up in it was liketwo-parent household and the
majority of the neighborhood Igrew up in it was like two
parent household.
So, like you know, every friendI had pretty much had two
parents their whole life andtheir parents are still together
to this day.
And if it was, I have a friendwho you know grew up in a one
(26:52):
parent household, but that'sonly because his dad passed away
and so yes, your parents, Idon't.
People shouldn't think of thatas a handicap.
I didn't have parents, I didn'thave anybody X, y and Z.
But the reality is, yes, you'rein the house with your parents,
but you're more in the world.
(27:12):
Like you know, kids are inschool eight, 10 hours, so
you're more with outside.
You're more with outsideinfluences, more than you are
with your parents, your parents.
What do you?
You know you wake up, you go toschool, you're at school all
day.
You come home, one of theparents still might be working,
so you just eat dinner and justrun outside and you're playing
with your neighbors and stufflike that.
So, yes, your parents are thereand they serve as a guidance.
(27:33):
But for the most part, you'regetting your influence from the
outside world more than theinside world.
So I would just say don't justbecause you don't have, you know
, parents or a guardianship oryour parents whoever your
guardians are mentoring you andthings like that it doesn't mean
that you can't become something.
You just got to focus.
I would say, focus more on theoutside influences, because
(27:54):
that's who you know.
The television, the internetthese days the television, the
internet the school frames everyyear.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
All that is going to be more influenced than your
parents are.
Again, you're hitting it righton the nose because, again, you
grew up in a two-parenthousehold.
I grew up in a single-parenthousehold.
But the streets now I grew upin.
I grew up in West Philly Okay,I grew up in West Philly.
Okay, I grew up in West Phillyand it was either crime, drugs,
(28:30):
you know, I I was on the streetcorner, y'all.
I was on the street corner okay.
I was the kid out there, youknow, um, you know, ran away
from home at one time because mymother was just, you know,
mothering and it was like youknow, oh gosh.
You know this, you know I wantto do.
I want to be a little bit morefreer.
(28:52):
So you know again makingmistakes out there on the
corners selling drugs, you knowwhat I'm saying but it has to be
something with again.
I could have lived a whole,total, different life, but I
just knew that this is not whatI want to do.
This, this is this, is not itbeing in the project, standing
(29:14):
on corners selling drugs.
You know, I always knew that Iwanted more.
So that's what I mean, that Iwanted more.
So that's what I mean.
You know, even though we sharethe same father, we grew up in
two total different.
We're both successful peopleright now.
And for me it was a little bitharder because I had to go
through a little bit of the hardroad, because I didn't you know
, I didn't have too much, but Ilooked at it like, look, this is
(29:41):
what I don't want.
And I, look, I don't want togrow.
I don't want to grow up and beand raise children in poverty
level.
I want my children to have.
Reason why I joined the militaryat you know, at an older age,
at 30, I just never gave up onmyself.
(30:03):
So that's what I would say toyoung people is never give up on
yourself, regardless of yourenvironment.
Don't let your environment goodor you know, you know well, if
it's good, of course you want totake that, but not so
successful or good environment.
It's all about choice.
(30:23):
What do you see yourself?
You saw yourself in a differentlight.
So therefore, you ain't got it.
You couldn't you.
You had doubts about certainthings, but you opened other
windows, you opened other doors,you opened other mindsets for
yourself, and that's what wewant to tell our young people to
open up different avenues inyour mind, because it all starts
(30:46):
well.
We can say environment, but ifyour environment is you growing
up in the hood, you know, or youknow you growing up in a place
where, like you've been, yeah.
You have to.
It's all about choice.
It's all about choice.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
That's one thing.
I would say yeah, and I wouldsay nobody's better than the
other, because you know peoplewho grew up in rich
neighborhoods they have.
They got their drug issues andstuff too.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
But you just don't think it's like that because
that's all the houses are niceand the neighborhoods are nice,
but some people in there doingall types of stuff and things
like that too, all types theyjust some people are able to
hide just a little bit after awhile.
It shows it shows.
But, like you said, no oneperson is better than the next.
It's all about who you are andyou have.
Sometimes we have to find outwho are we, who do we want to be
(31:48):
?
Would you agree with that?
Would you say that?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, yeah, find out who you want to be, like you
said, you know, I'm 41 right nowand I still don't know exactly
who I want to.
I mean, you have a whole bunchof interests.
Obviously you can't do them all.
You don't want to put yourself.
Well, I like these 10 things.
I'm just only going to do thisone thing.
So it's kind of hard, and Ithink that's what's wrong with
(32:13):
society.
We ask kids at kindergartenfirst what do you want to be
when you grow up?
Then how can somebody justpinpoint exactly what they're
going to be, even at any age,for that matter?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
What's the answer they always give Doctors?
Speaker 1 (32:25):
police, yeah, stuff like that.
And even at my age right now orany age like 20s, 30s you just
got to find something you likeand, you know, just go in that
direction.
I don't think you should justkind of make your whole
personality, your character, aspecific job title anyway, you
(32:48):
know it's just.
You know society makes youthink you don't have your life
together if you're not like I amI am a electrician, I am a
doctor Like they try to make yousay that you're something and
just live that type of lifestyle.
But no, you are a person wholikes multiple things.
Just find something that canget you the lifestyle that you
(33:08):
want.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
And mastering, mastering.
You know, I think, that today'sgeneration is so lazy minded.
They relax mind, lazy mind.
However you want, want.
I'm trying to be nice, but justfrom what I see, they just want
to sit and it should come to meit should fall.
(33:31):
Our ancestors worked and that'sthe that's.
That's kind of the thing thatdisappoints me too.
Our ancestors worked hard, hardto get some of us where we are
today, and some of us just don'twant to take that hard work, um
, and make things happen andthink just a little bit more
(33:54):
outside the box.
You know, and like me and youwhich I'm sure you have two
beautiful boys, a beautiful wife, and I'm sure that you're
bringing your boys up in adifferent way than what you were
raised.
Like for my children, I knowthat I'm bringing them up in a
different way that I was raised,because now, when my children
(34:15):
came into they didn't really.
You know, I paved the way, youknow, by going into the military
.
So now they're paid, I wouldsay, my children, they do pretty
good for themselves, they havea standard of where they want to
live, how they want to raisetheir children.
And then when I look at mygrandchildren, it's like, yeah,
they're spoiled.
(34:37):
They're spoiled, like I refuse,like I just had two
grandchildren that ran away fromhome because their mother was
like you know, no, you're notgoing to have that, you're not
going to do that and until youdo better, and I'd even say that
all the things that I'mcreating generational wealth.
I will not give you anythingjust as a handout.
(34:58):
You know they expect some kidswhen you, so it's like it has to
be a balance when we're raisingchildren.
You know, because you don't wantto.
I think Shaquille O'Neal I haveread, or it was an interview he
(35:19):
said that he wasn't giving hischildren nothing for free, like
they had to earn at least have adegree or something under their
belt, and I respect that.
I respect that wholeheartedlyand, like I was saying, I'm sure
that you're raising your boysin a different way or in the
same way.
How are you raising your boystoday?
Let me ask that question whatdo you want your sons to know?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Well, I just like you know, like I heard that Sha
heard that she killed a nailthing as well before, and I
think that, um, that's extremelyimportant, because I think I
heard some statistics orsomething along the lines of
after the third generation, likeall the the generational wealth
that was passed down the houses, the money, whatever things
like it's gone.
So so I think it's moreimportant to pass down a certain
(36:03):
standard and a certain like acertain standard of living, so
that whoever you know like ifShaq, just if Shaquille O'Neal
just passed all his business andall his money to his kids and
they didn't, you know, theydidn't do anything, like they're
just going to spend it up andyou know somebody's going to
find a way to get all that moneyfrom them.
(36:24):
Buy this, buy that and this andthis and this and that.
But for my boy, I'm trying tobecome the best version of
myself, or live a life that Iwould like live a life, or live
a life that you know, my kids Iwould be happy that my kids
became out just like me.
So I'm just going to, I'mtrying to create the environment
(36:46):
for them, a certain standard.
Wherever you grew up.
I think you either want tomaintain that or you want to go
higher.
So I'm trying to create alifestyle to where my kids okay,
well, you know how they grew up, but they want to go above that
.
So, yeah, just basically just amindset of you know you got to
(37:09):
work hard, you got to sacrifice.
I'm trying to get in the rightnetworking circle so that they
can.
That's why this is kind of alittle bit off a little bit.
But this is kind of why, like,people with money send their
kids to private school, notbecause the education is
necessarily better or anythinglike that, but like who are the?
(37:33):
Who are the other kids andtheir parents?
Like business owners,entrepreneurs, doctors, lawyers
and stuff like that.
So like your kids are growingup with other kids who, who have
a different mindset and adifferent network network.
So you just try to give yourkids the mindset and a certain
standard to live by so that whenyou're gone that they can.
You know, you you want them tolive, uh, better than you,
you're, you're living.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Right.
And what would you say about?
What would you say to your boysabout mistakes?
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Yeah, it's, it's okay .
I mean, it's okay to makemistakes, obviously, because
every I believe everybody, Idon't care who you are, from the
president to the governor,whoever everybody's always done
something that was illegal insome form.
Some people get caught, somepeople don't, or some people do
get caught and they have a wayto work themselves out of it.
I would just say you know it'sokay to make mistakes because
(38:22):
you're going to make them anyway, but you know, I'm going to try
to keep away from the, theharsh mistakes that can, you
know, kind of ruin your life.
As far as, like the people whodo get caught and go to a jail
for 10, 15, 20 your life, orsomething like that.
Um, I'm going to try this.
Mistakes, let me.
Let's clarify mistakes in whichway?
(38:42):
Like anything in life, or justwell, any well, anything in life
.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Well, let's, let's stay on.
Uh, let's stay on to well, itcould be any mistake, but you
know what your mistake was.
You know, um, selling drugsyeah, yeah.
You know, what would you say tosomebody?
Uh to uh a person who's goingthrough that same situation, or
(39:09):
you know, or any mistake.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah, I mean, if it was something like that I did,
and when you have a record orsomething like that, it's not
the end of the world andpossibly get expunged, and if
not, you're just going to, atthe end of the day, nobody owes
you anything, nobody owes you ajob.
They don't have to hire you foranything.
So like if if you're in asituation where you can't get a
(39:33):
job because of your record forwhatever reason, and it can't,
you have a record that can't beexpunged, I mean you're just
going to have to, you know, putyourself about a bootstraps
network, self-develop, and then,you know, start a business
Again.
I started a cleaning business.
How much does that really take?
Probably like two hundreddollars to register the business
name and go to Walmart orwhatever store and buy a few
(39:56):
cleaning supplies and get littlejobs here and there.
Next thing, you know, you getword of mouth, referrals and
you're growing from there.
Little jobs here and there.
Next thing, you know, you getword of mouth, referrals and
you're growing from there.
So I mean that might not bewhat you want to do, but at
least it's something that getsyou started and confident in
doing something until you findsomething else and that's kind
of how I looked at it.
So, like there's always,businesses, you can start with
little to no money and, you know, earn money for yourself.
(40:18):
So I would say it's not the endof the world.
Earn money for yourself.
I would say it's not the end ofthe world.
We live in America.
There's opportunity everywhere.
Having a record is not a deathsentence.
You can get your way out of.
It's going to have to beindependent.
You can't rely on somebody togive you a job and give you a
pay every week, but it can bedone.
(40:40):
It can be done.
Sometimes you got to do In thetrucking industry.
There's a lot of people who haverecords and they go into
trucking.
It's not the ideal lifestylebut it pays really well.
But sometimes a lot of peopledon't want to do it, like I
can't find a job or the job Ihave doesn't pay enough.
The thing is like you weretalking about.
Sometimes people just don'twant to do what has to be done.
(41:01):
They don't want to.
They don't want to sacrifice.
I mean, nobody's telling you tobe a truck driver or anything
that you don't want to do for 20, 30 years.
Just just get in somewhere, getyour foot in the door, get your
good experience and then youknow, just move on from that
while you try to transition intothe next thing that you really
want.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
And that's great.
That's great, that's a greatword right there, lance.
It's all about determination,not giving up, changing your
mindset, and that is exactlywhat we talk about here on B3U
and my brother.
I appreciate you coming on andbeing transparent and sharing
your story and showing people,young people especially, that
(41:49):
you know it's not too late.
Don't give up.
You know again, society canteach you that it's over, but
you'll never know until you try.
If you don't try and you justput it out in the atmosphere
that it's not going to happen,you're already defeating.
You're already shrinkingyourself to match what
(42:11):
statistics say or what somebodytold you.
In the military we call thembarracks lawyers.
You have to stop listening tothe barracks lawyers.
You have to research, have tostop listening to the barracks
lawyers.
You have to research foryourself.
Do the work, do the work.
You have to do the work and Iwill say for me, most of my
(42:31):
things has been very spiritual.
I lean on God, was raised inthe church, I am a believer and
I do know for a fact that theBible is correct when they say
faith without work.
You can't just wish for it andthen don't put no work behind it
.
So I commend you, and you're mybrother and I love you.
(42:54):
I'm proud of everything thatyou have done and are doing, and
I can't wait to see what.
What's next, you know?
Um, I want to uh say one morething, because you know you have
a niece that loves you.
She you're like on this highpedestal to her because you
taught yourself Japanese.
(43:16):
Am I correct?
yes you taught yourself Japaneseand she was doing that same
thing.
So a man, you're a man who hasa determined determination like
a spirit, a willing spirit, andthat's what I love most about
our family, the Williams family.
(43:36):
We are some determined jokers.
We are determined, and that'swhether you have it in your
family or you don't have it inyour family Determination is key
.
Determination is key, so goahead.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
You know.
I want to say one last thing.
You said the barracks lawyersdon't listen to people.
Due to research yourself, Iwould say Even don't.
I mean don't even getdiscouraged from what you find
on Google and all these forumsand everything like that.
Because, because everythingthat I've read when I had, when
I had a record that wasn'texposed, oh I couldn't go, I
couldn't do this, I couldn't dothat.
(44:13):
So everything that I read italmost makes you still want to
give up because everything issaying like you can't do it.
But everything you said Icouldn't do, I've done it.
No truck company is going tohire you.
I had my own trucking company.
I worked for trucking companies, probably like three or four of
them.
So like if I just looked onGoogle and saw like oh no,
you're done, then that was it.
(44:33):
Now there's always somebody outthere that will give you a
chance.
You just got to, like you said,have the determination and
willingness to continue to lookfor the opportunities and to
have the determination andwillingness to continue to look
for the opportunities, andthat's so true.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Well, thank you, lance Williams, my brother, my
baby brother.
I thank you for coming on andsharing your transparency.
I look forward to you comingback and sharing maybe something
else that could help someoneelse on.
Whatever is next, and I thankmy viewers for coming and
sharing this time with Mr LanceWilliams and your host, brie
Charles.
(45:05):
We'll see you guys.
Thanks for having me.
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