Even though we were both drinking coffee at 5 in the afternoon (maybe because of that?), this turned out to be a lively conversation that was as much about our experiences as prosecutors as it was about the books Elie Honig and I are working on. He showed off the just-finished copy of his, and I’m extremely jealous!
If you missed us live, you can click up above to watch the video or read the transcript of our conversation.
Elie’s forthcoming book is When You Come at the King – Inside DOJ's Pursuit of the President, from Nixon to Trump (Sept 16, 2025). Mine is Giving Up Is Unforgivable: A Manual For Keeping A Democracy (Oct 21, 2025). Forgive the shameless self-promotion, but they’re both available for pre-order now.
Questions? Comments? Now that I’m doing these Substack Live Conversations on a regular basis, I’d love to know what you like, what you don’t, what issues interest you the most, and who you’d like to hear from. We invoked the name of Watergate prosecutor and my dear friend Jill Wine-Banks so many times today that I texted her as soon as Elie and I finished and asked if she’d join us soon!
We’re in this together,
Joyce
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