January 7, 2025 • 38 mins
In this episode, Brian and John kick off Season Two of their podcast with reflections on their journey, family interactions during the holidays, and the importance of coming out conversations. They discuss personal growth, navigating relationships, and the exploration of polyamory. The episode culminates in a humorous recounting of a 'Naked Game Night' experience, emphasizing themes of self-acceptance and openness. Transgender Suicide Hotline (877) 565-8860
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Takeaways This was a miniature vacation. We served each other our divorce papers. I think that is so good. We are a vessel for that. You navigate it the way you want. I want to be an open book. I was naked in front of a group of people. I think it's a one and done. I love that song. I kept covering myself with my napkin.
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Hello gay men and happy new year. Welcome to coming inside out. I am John. I'm Brian.
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Happy new year, John. Happy new year, Brian. Happy new year, listeners. Do you all have a good one?
Yes, this is season two. Yes, we were talking about this earlier. We successfully completed
37 episodes for season one without missing a beat. Thank you, listeners. Episode one.
We are so excited, guys. We had a little production meeting before today's episode.
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I have to say this is probably one of my first production meetings that we had. I don't know,
we've had a little before, but nothing like that. It's really exciting because, first of all,
from both of us, we want to thank all of our listeners because this was a concept, a thought
at dinner over a year ago. Brian comes to me, we talk about it. My goodness, look how far we've come.
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It's close to 25,000 downloads, 37 trailer and 36 episodes starting in May of 2024.
This has been exciting. Again, everyone that has written in, called in, has emailed, texted,
paged, whatever, however you got us a message. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your support.
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Yes. With that, we're looking for an intern. We're ready to launch this into 2.0.
Yes, we are. This is our second season, starting our second season for 2025.
From our production meeting, we are looking for an intern, somebody that is just starting out into
the entertainment business, but in all these new, what's the young generation called now?
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I don't know. It's before millennials, right? What is it? The Gen Z? Is that the millennials?
If you know anyone that is wanting to learn more about podcasts or know about marketing,
write us in. Tell us. Let us know. Again, we're in LA. We're both realtors. Again,
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we can't bring you this podcast without plugging our company. Yes. If you're looking to buy, sell,
or invest in real estate, please, please refer business to us and then also anywhere. I'm actually
closing a property in the Dominican Republic right now. Oh, dang. Good for you. Yeah. We closed
two, this coming Tuesday. When this drops, it'll be closed. I worked on that a year,
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but we're able to refer business as well. Again, a little plug for our company. Anything you want to
have fun? I'm thankful for both of us, right? I want to jump into the holiday. You were in
Texas with your family. I did. I went to Texas. I mean, the boys, we went over there for New
Year. We were in LA for Christmas, and then we went over to New Year's. My brother, he has four
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children and the oldest, or yeah, the oldest, he's my godson, Blake and his wife have been
listening to our podcast, right? Oh, you took the, yeah. Right. And they were talking about it again,
but my other nephew, he was doing improv. So he had a show Friday night, the day we were flying
into Houston. So I told my brother, I said, get us hotels. We'll stay with you guys. And you know what?
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We grew up poor. We grew up very poor. We never took vacations as a family. It was never done.
And now that my brother is making money in a good living and I'm making a good living,
we were not conditioned to have family vacations together. And this was just a miniature vacation,
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but it was his wife. She's so sweet. Amy is great. And the kids are great and they're growing up. But
what I'd love to see were the boys interacting with their cousins. Okay. Now, does your wife go with you
back to Texas? No, no, she stays here. Okay. And again, we'll clear that up. All right. We, we,
we served each other our divorce papers in December, Merry Christmas. And that's, that's
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starting to go. So I'm going to definitely share with you and our listeners how things are going.
But, you know, we did it in a way that we didn't pay for a server to come and serve you or anything
like that. We both are trying to do this and look, and look at me as heavily. And, and so we,
we both filled out information, but I had a service company served because she sent to me.
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And then I had to respond to that. You have 30 days to respond to it. And I did respond,
but I had a company do that for me. It was like a thousand bucks to do it, which is not cheap. But
I liked that company and they can do some other things as well. But yeah, we served each other.
But no, she, she was here. Her mother came in from New York, from New York. And, you know,
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we went to Liam's game and had a good time. And, and I drove, you know, so my mother-in-law, I mean,
we all had Christmas Eve together. We had Christmas day together as well. And then me and the boys
went to Houston, we went, you know, to Houston and then to Beaumont and stayed with my brother and
then stayed with my mom. Now, my mom is 87 years old. Okay. Close in age to my parents. Yeah. And,
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you know, I came out to my mother, what, maybe six, seven years, six to seven years ago. And,
you know, we don't talk about it every time, you know, we just don't talk about, you know, that.
But we kind of did this time. It's really interesting. So I told my mom about the podcast.
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She was, oh my God, that's so great. And, and I told her what we were talking about and trying
to hit you honey, I think that is so good. That is so good that, and I'm sure you're helping other
people. And again, that was our production, our production. Meeting. Meeting today was, you know,
what is our why? What is our why with this podcast? And, and the why with the podcast is to, to help
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people like us and pave the way because we've had so many people before us pave this way in the LGBTQ
plus community. It has to continue to go. It has to continue to go. And I feel that we are a vessel
for that. Yeah, we get so many people writing in saying, Oh my God, I didn't know this existed. I
thought I was all alone. Similar is what we had said. I'm now thinking of coming out to my wife.
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I mean, we have, we have a group of men that are all at different stages of deciding it's time for
them to come out to their wives. And it's so interesting because when I was talking to my
mother, again, my mother, we started talking really serious about right when I should have left to go
to the airport. So it was so, you know, so I was delayed. We got to the airport. Okay, but I like
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getting there early, but we had a very long conversation, 45 minute conversation about,
about that and about what we're going to be doing with my mother because she's, you know,
coming of age and what type of help or if we're going to do independent living with her. And
anyway, but we just started talking about the show and talking about my one man show. You know,
and so, you know, she was well, honey, sing me something and, you know, sing me a song. So I
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did, you know, cause my mother's always asking me to sing and I always say, no, no, no, what the
fuck man, that's your mom. Yeah. And she goes, Oh my God, honey, you got to be, you know, my mom,
she just loves me. She loves it. I've been pursuing the acting forever and she's always loved that.
But anyway, I came out to her six, seven years ago and when I came out to her, I told her, I said,
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mom, you know, cause she was, well, maybe, you know, I maybe have to, can I tell, I go,
mother, you can tell whoever you want to. I didn't want to put it on her and give her a limitation
or don't tell this, don't tell anyone, don't tell, because for me, this is for me and for listeners,
you, you navigate it the way you want, but I want to share with you how I did this and how it came
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back that I'm glad I did it that way. So when I told her, it was, she goes, well, you know,
maybe I could talk to father or something. I said, yeah, you can talk to him. He's probably gay.
He'll understand. But I, excuse me, I won't tell, I can mother. Yes, you can. I go, you can tell
anybody you want to, because why put that on me and on her house because it's going to come out.
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And then I'm going to resent my mom because she outed me. No, mom, do it. I felt that comfortable.
Now a while back, I wouldn't, I've been scared to do it. Well, anyway, she tells me the story that
I didn't know about. But last summer, we all go in and we, we rented a beach house and the whole
family comes and then my sister's ex-husband, who's my niece's father. I know, I know it goes a long
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way. But anyway, you know, he's no longer part of the family or whatever. But my mother told me the
story because she goes, well, you know, Robert, when I was out on the deck, he goes, you know,
John's gay. I said, well, did he ask that in a question or was it a statement? Was he trying
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to out you to somebody or exactly? She goes, honey, I don't know. And she goes, I looked right at him.
I said, yes, I do. And I said, okay, was there anything else? She goes, no, I go, well, that's
it. I go, well, did he, was he curious? Was he empathetic? Was he just trying to throw something
at you? She goes, honey, I don't know the context of why he said it. But, you know, I, and that was
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the first time her and I had talked about somebody saying something other than, you know, but, you
know, he's not part of our family anymore. And so, some ways he is, he's my niece's father. I always
liked the guy, but I don't want to start anything. I don't want to call him up. Hey,
motherfucker, what was your point? Yeah. And you know what? That's the other thing.
He's a psychiatrist. Wow. His motherfucker, he was a, he was an eye surgeon, a lawyer,
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and a psychiatrist. Very, you know, and he actually, when my sister married him, he was, he had money.
So he brought that money element to us, which we never had. And he introduced us to a lot of
different things in life, which I appreciate. But I was just curious, well, why? Yeah, because
potentially he could have just outed you to your mother. Exactly. And I didn't put that on me.
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Because if I said, no, no, tell anybody. So at this point, I'm like, it's okay. And I'm not
upset. But I am curious as did he say it in a way for support or to stir up shit or what? And
you know what? It really doesn't matter. And you know what else? I can't remember if I came out to
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him or not. I think I did. I may have when we were, because I was talking to him as well. But
it was very interesting. Well, you keep your power when you say, I'm coming out and you can
tell whoever you want to tell, because then you're not, there's no barrier, right? It's going to come
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at you, right? A blind side of you with them knowing because you've let it be. Okay. Tell
whoever you want. I'm out. I'm gay. I'm happy. I'm proud. Exactly. And you know, when you're from
a small town, you know, there are people that love to that are very insecure with themselves.
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They don't have anything going on. And they've got dudes, they got gossip. And I feel that there are
people that my relatives, very close relatives, they use that to create a conversation. They thrive
on it. They thrive on it. Absolutely. Yeah. Because they don't have shit going on. Yes. Yes. And this
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is some drama. So I share this with everyone because I think I was able to place myself in a
position to protect myself and be able to be okay with it. And if you can get anything out of that,
if you are coming out, if you coming out to your mom or to your father, to anybody, I think for me,
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it was best that I didn't put a limitation and you could. You could say, hey, you know,
give me six months. I'm going to be coming out to other people. Whatever works for you. Yes.
Whatever works for your situation. Yeah. That was mine. Good. Yeah. So it's a good time. Good.
And yours, tell me about yours. So I was around my family Christmas and our Christmas evening,
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Christmas day, everything was good. On New Year's, I availed myself to my kids. If you guys need to
ride, if your friends need to ride, I'm not going to go anywhere. I'll hang out at home
and make myself available for a ride. When I came out during COVID, there was nothing happening for
New Year's. So I was home with my boys for New Year's. And then in December of 2022 for New Year's,
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I went to this crazy big party. It was amazing. And had a great time. And then the countdown,
the countdown, five, four, three, two, one, and I'm outside this big patio standing there with all of
these people. And happy New Year. And it probably was three seconds, but it felt like 30 seconds.
And I was standing there and just all of a sudden, happy New Year, everybody turns in there kissing
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where they were there with. And I was like, holy shit, I'm like standing here by myself. So I
turned around and I just found the bathroom and I, you know, pretended to go to the bathroom and I
came out and I went home and I was like, oh, shit. You didn't kiss yourself in the middle? No, I was
like, oh, shit, that was uncomfortable. I didn't, you know, I just didn't anticipate that moment.
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And so last year, I was kind of like the walking wound it a little bit. I'm like, oh, I'm not going
to put myself in that position again. I don't want to go out if I don't have everybody, you know,
to kiss at New Year's or whatever. And then this year, I was like, you know what, Brian,
do something. I, you know, went to dinner, took my dad for a walk and then availed myself to my kids.
And I had a great New Year's and it was just me and my dog. Yes. You know what? And that's okay.
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And I've been to New Year's Eve parties by myself and that had happened. And then of course,
your close friends come up to you after the day. I didn't wait. I split. But I was watching
a letter. My next guest or introduce on Netflix. It's David Letterman. He has my next guest and
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it's just interviews. And I watched the one with Miley Cyrus last night. Miley Cyrus is the singer
and she's talking, I think the new one of the songs she gets you won the Grammy for flowers.
It's, yes. Yes. I mean, it's a beautiful song because it talks about loving yourself and how
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you can love yourself. And in our book, the 369 book, it talks about before you go and love
someone else, you need to love your sadness. Yes. And oh my God, I love that song. I really do.
And Miley, if you're out there listening, love you to come on this podcast. She's a big gay,
gay friendly fan. Okay, I didn't know that. Well, my hashtag her. What we should hashtag her.
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Miley, I love you. You're amazing. And anyway, thank you for writing that song because it's,
it's an anthem. I think it's an anthem for, it doesn't matter who you are, you can't love yourself.
And so that's why I said, did you kiss yourself in a mirror? Because after this podcast, I'm going
to go make out with my in the mirror and wish myself happy. Well, listen, I want to start this
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podcast off with the bang season two, episode one. Yes. One of our listeners wrote in, I printed it
out. Oh, I gave you the stick there. Okay. Well, speaking of bang, bang being the keyword, bang being
the keyword. In episode 29, if you go back and listen to it, we printed out the instructions on
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how to stimulate and milk your prostate. Yeah. And one of our listeners, and I hadn't did it,
I still have not done it, but one of our listeners did, he wrote in, so I printed it out, I thought
you could show that. And I have, by the way, just so I know. Oh, I haven't. I haven't. I have. It's
awesome. It's awesome. You can call it an ass play or whatever, but it's really cool. Here we go.
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He goes, hello again, Brian. Riding back in, and because I've been catching up with episodes,
I do appreciate the advice from you guys. And for reading my email discussion, hopefully next year,
we shall see what it brings. The thing that got me to write back though, was based across two
episodes on the curiosity of prostate stimulation. You, you quick funny chat had my interest, and I
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was half considering it. I kind of looked into it and found an interesting Reddit post that sold,
sold it further. I looked online and there was an affordable massager that made me say, what the
heck? I got it delivered and again, sat, sat on, what he said on? No, he sat on the thought. Oh,
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he sat on the thought a couple of days. I thought he sat on the thought of things. I did give it a
try at first, thinking that it isn't really working for me. I remember on the podcast,
he mentioned something like knee to chest and pointing toward the belly button. So not sure
how different that would feel, but with the massager, it didn't do much for a little while,
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until it starts to kick in and you feel your legs shake. If you keep sticking with it,
it eventually, there's so much material here, if you keep sticking with it, it eventually takes
it to a full body sensation. I didn't go all the way as to orgasm. What? Mostly due to time factor,
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but I should say, even though not at the end, it's still a heck of a pleasure. I definitely say,
give it a try and let us know. One other thing, thank you for sharing your story of your first
time, even if you didn't count it. It is still a great story that I am sure many relate to that
is especially difficult for them to try and experiment. They feel that they have to numb
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themselves. Thank you for writing in on this. Listen, I think a lot of people call it as-play
or what have you. And let me tell you, there is a lot in the straight community that does this.
All right. I say a lot. I just hear people talking about it or women talking about them,
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but I hear it's- Never played with my ass before. No. No. But this is, I'm not mean at
orc, but this is, I thought we would get you a glass of wine, we would put on some soft music,
maybe light a candle, go back, find the instructions on finding and milking your prostate, and we'll
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do a video, an audio on it, like a sultry sexual, you could use- You know what I do this? No.
You read the instructions again in a very sensual way. Okay. Clean your, what was it?
Cut your fingernails. Yeah. Okay. Clean your butt. Yeah. You got to be on your side.
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All right. And you, you know, you- I mean, listen, it is, and there's more that I've
watched before. And let me tell you, I mean, that is an androgynous. Yes. Oh, it's your G spot.
It is your G spot. It is your G spot. And if you hit it right, man, it's sometimes you can, you know-
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Your legs shaking and all that. Your legs shaking, your body shaking, you know, you can do this
without even touching your- Wow. All right. Well, we need more listeners to go back and listen to
episode 29 and try the fighting and stimulating your prostate and writing in and telling us about
it. Yeah. I mean, why not? Why not? Well, that was a good one. The second thing he talked about,
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I had shared several episodes, this is many episodes ago, my first time. And I don't know
that you shared your first time, but my very first time, I was, my wife and I were divorced,
I got myself so drunk and stoned that I barely remembered my first time. I had to completely
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get myself 100% out of sorts in order to even allow myself the experience. And in doing so,
I don't even barely remember the experience. So I didn't share that as my first time,
because I thought, oh my God, I was drunk and stoned and this and that and just, it felt humiliating.
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But somebody told me that that was also their first time. And I was like, okay, well,
I'm not alone. Well, no, you're not alone. And a lot of my experience with them were, you know,
going through the gay bars and let me tell you, when they pour a drink in a gay bar,
you're getting your money's worth. You really do. They come strong, at least once I've been to.
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But it, you know, it's interesting because in the beginning, if it was, you know, getting the
inhibitions down, drinking it, that's definitely what happens. But you have to be careful,
because if you get, you know, two ways to, I mean, it could, it could turn out to be a bad
experience if you're picking someone out, got the ball over. I have you. And, but yeah, I mean,
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well, I went to his house. Remember, I told you, I went to this guy's house and I stayed out front.
And what was his name? Was it John Donmer? I smoked pot and drink, pre-made
margarita mix in my car. The next thing I'm going to share with you, and this is on our YouTube page.
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If any of our listeners want to go on our YouTube page, we have a post, somebody wrote into us,
you and I joke about Bobby Ewing all the time. Yeah, we do. Not Patrick, well, Patrick Duffy,
the speedo. One of our listeners remembers to when he knew he was gay. Oh, okay. And he wrote in,
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and this is his name is Jim Palmer. He's a baseball player and he did jockey at commercial. Oh, that
guy, yeah, I remember him. And so he wrote in that he remembered his aha moment was when he saw this
ad and he actually found it online. So I posted that on our YouTube page. I watched that. But I
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also posted Bobby Ewing and his speedo. Okay. But then Tom Selleck, someone sent this into us too.
Do you ever remember Tom Selleck looking like that or having a speedo on or just bathing?
No, but not, I mean, that's kind of an effeminate position too that he has.
Is that his hip hop? I don't know. Is that only him though? That's him. It is him. It's from
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a, look at his face. It's color and his, it's him. If you, if you're a listener and you want to go
on our YouTube page, I posted the photos, but yeah, he wrote in Jim Palmer was his,
was his aha moment and his jockey. I love that. Yeah, mainly Jim Palmer, who was many ads for them,
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the strong, the string bikini was in the blue, blue, blue. Yeah. So there you go. Oh my god,
look at Pete Rose. Remember Pete Rose? He got busted for gambling here. I think with the reds
or whoever they are. Well, and I posted that ad on there. So if anybody wants to go and look at
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it. So all the athletes in their jockey gear, you can go on and look at that. But yeah, I thought
that was pretty, that's pretty cool. I liked that you did that. Yeah. So we have a new listener
that reached out to me. I think it was through instant messenger anyways. And I put this on your
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thing too. He is polyamorous, which is you are not monogamous. You enjoy multiple partners.
Oh, yeah. And he referred a book to us. I don't know if any of our listeners have read this book.
It's called The Ethical Slut. A practical guide to polyamory, open relationships and other adventures.
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The essential guide for singles and couples who want to explore polyamory in a way that are
ethical and emotionally sustainable. So yeah, I haven't looked into that book. I thought I would
buy it on behalf of the podcast, but I'm a monogamous person. So but I'm happy to do the research for
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the podcast. Yeah, I mean, I still lean to, and there are people that are monogamous.
But I think the majority of the world is not. I'm not saying there's not people that are
monogamous. For periods of time, you're monogamous. You don't have to be monogamous your entire life,
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but you have a five, 10-year-old. Oh, yeah. You can have a spurt or a period of it. But when you
look at statistics of divorce in the United States, I think right now we have topped over 50% of the
marriage's fail. And out of that 50%, what's the difference? A double three? A double three?
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Yeah. And I just think, I don't know. I don't know. Are we wired to be monogamous? I think some are,
some are not. But when it comes into something like this, I think it's great. I mean, it throws a
little spice into it. But everybody's in your life for a reason, and you are serving each other for
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a period of time under certain circumstances. And when your circumstances change, so does your
relationship. You're raising a family, and that's the circumstances keeping you together. There's
a bunch of different reasons, but I think people grow apart when their circumstances change.
I agree with that. And to be honest, and it's, you know, I lived a lie. I lived a lie, and I wasn't
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honest. It wasn't truthful, not all the other people, but to myself. And at this chapter in my life,
I want to be an open book. And I think that's why I'm a little bit, you know, free to talk on here.
It just gives me a venue here to be able to be honest. And, you know, who knows, once I start
dating, will there be, you know, a third person or whatever, I'm open to that. Maybe, huh? You know?
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Well, yeah. At least I want to communicate that to whoever I date. Yeah. And see where that goes,
because if, like, me and you, if we were to go out, we're not a match. No. Not a match,
because we're different. But we know that, and that's part of your truth. And so,
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you know, I just think, well, I think some people like to go out and just play. They just want to
play. Yeah. I don't want to go out and play. I'm watching. Well, speaking of playing, I mean, tell me
about that naked game night you were talking about. I don't want to go play, but, oh, I just went to
a naked game. What is it called? Game night? Yes. They call it the games that were naked.
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Big, gay, naked game night. Okay. Listen, if it's a family member listening, you can turn this off
and come back on in five minutes. Who? Your family? Well, I know my two of my family members listen.
This is probably not family member. Listen, as much as it was R rated, it was an innocent,
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or X rated. It was an innocent X rated. All right. Lay it on us. Tell us. Tell us. What? So,
my neighbor has invited me to naked game night several times. I've declined. You last told me,
threatened me. If you don't go, you better give me the invitation because I'm going.
What did you do? He thought, what just happened? My neighbor reached out to me, you know,
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it was this whole big, long dialogue back and forth, what was going to happen, what wasn't
going to happen, the whole thing. I was like, oh my God, I have not been, other than being in
junior high school or high school and going through the locker room to get in a shower,
I have not been naked in front of a group of people ever. I was naked in front of my wife,
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and that was it. I'm not naked in front of other men. So, to be, go to somebody's house and be
naked was causing me a lot of anxiety. So, I agreed to go under the, you know, that it wasn't going
to be a play party. It was just going to be parameters for yourself. But you also make,
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but see, that's also about being clear, being up front. Yes. As you had mentioned to me earlier,
that I made sure that this was not a hookup party and I wanted to make sure. But I mean,
you can make sure of that. But once you're in the moment, you're naked, you're hanging out with
other guys. Yeah, for this naked game, you set the parameters with the host. And the host and his
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husband, do they play outside of their relationship? No, they do not. No, not to my knowledge.
But again, look, Brian, I think this was huge for you. This was another growth for you. Because,
if you know Brian, you've been listening for a while, this is huge for him. And you ended up
doing it. I have to say, I'm very proud of you to go and do that and explore it. But I'm also
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glad that you set the parameters within yourself, but you also made it clear to the host. Yes.
Like, look, no monkey business. Yes. And there wasn't monkey business. It was so, we had such a
great time. He's like, okay, listen, we're going to wait for everybody to get here. And then you
can slowly start taking your clothes off. I guess naked game night is a big thing. I've never heard
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of it before. But not everybody gets naked at every party. Some people take everything off,
except they're underwear or whatever. But he's like, you know what, we'll wait for everybody to get
here. And then we'll just start shedding our clothes. And I said, well, let's everybody get
there and play strip poker. I'll win. And then I'll be able to keep my clothes on. And the last
one I used to do, we used to do strip poker when I mean, this is with mixed men at women. Okay.
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Oh, yeah. So it's an absolute yes. We were playing strip poker. And you know, it's just a,
it's just an easy way to get people's clothes off and be comfortable. But there's also challenging
and winning and stuff. So you didn't do the poker. No, no, no, we got there. And I mean,
as soon as everybody was there, the two hosts were pretty much naked very quickly. They both
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had very nice bodies. They're in their 30s. They handed out what did I call but towels?
Yeah, but towels. She could sit on whatever you want to sit on. We sat at their dining room table
and played a dice game of first naked. And then we all had this giant sectional, we all sat on
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this big giant sectional and played the switch. It's like a Xbox or a PlayStation, but it's called
the switch. And it was a game called Jack Box. Okay. It's like a trivia game. It was fun. So it
was, it was, went from like seven to midnight. Oh, well, it was, did they serve food? We had food.
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Yes, they had food. Really? And so did you walk up, did anybody's dick go into the soup or into
the cheese? No, I kept covering myself with my napkin and one of the hosts kept removing my napkin
from my lap. I really love that. Okay. But yeah, I was just, you know, it was, I was naked in front
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of it. And so it was, it was five of you total. Five of you, two neighbors yourself and then the
two other guys. Yes. Two others. They both came in. Both friends of theirs. Yeah. Both
otters. Do you know what an otter is? An otter is a step below a bear, I think that is, is, is
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hairy. Has some hair. Yeah. Maybe not as thick as a bear. Or petite. Yeah. I don't know. We're not
tall men. Yeah. Are they otters? That's what the hosts had told me that we're going to be, because
I said, okay, does everybody have a body like yours? Because everybody has a body like yours.
I'm 55. I'm like 15 years older than them. And I'm like, I don't want to go there, you know,
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we don't have the same bodies. Right. It's like, no, no, no, the other two guys are
otters. Don't worry. And I'm like, I don't mean anything. One of the hosts, what were they? They're
not twinks. No, one is six, three. Very good looking. Yeah. Nice body. The other one is probably
five, 10. Even nicer body. Really? Let's expect and the whole shebang. But yeah,
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was it pictures taken or anything? No, no pictures taken. Did they have any video cameras in their
house? I have no idea. I don't know. No, I don't think so. Well, you'll be seeing Brian on the
internet. We have a naked game night with some video. Let's hope not. My goodness. That was
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this after the new year? This is last night. So look at you already in 2025. You're already being
on the slide. Yeah, I'm being a little like, yeah, I like that. Well, no, there's something new,
you know, it's kind of, we all have new year's resolutions, of course, but there's also. Well,
mine wasn't to go to naked game. No, it wasn't, but it was something different that you've never
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done before. And again, yes, what would you do it in here? I don't think I would. I think it's a one
and done. Yeah, I got it. I don't know. So you don't have to share this if you don't want to,
but I don't sit around naked at my house. I don't walk around naked at my house. I'll walk around
in my underwear. Do you sleep naked? I don't sleep naked. I mean, I've been sleeping naked. I love
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that. But I always keep a pair of shorts next to my bed in case there's a earthquake. I gotta get
out. But I'm really enjoying sleeping naked. I'm not a germaphobe, but I did read several years ago
how many times the average person farts in the night and you not to be disgusting, but you know,
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something comes out every time you fart. And do you want to sleep in shitty sheets? Because you're
naked. And I'm like, I don't. You're gonna do that? I'm gonna wear underwear. underwear doesn't
capture that. If you're still farting, it's gonna filter. It's a filter. Yeah. I'm gonna catch
everything. All right. Well, that's why I do. But what I like to do is when I fart, I hold it,
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then I just raise the sheets and I let it come down. I'm like, okay, that's a rough one. It's
called a Dutch oven. It's called a Dutch oven. It's on someone's shirt. Yes. So you put that
sheet out. I kind of like doing the little parachute thing where I throw my sheets up a little bit
and it comes down and it airs and all that. Then I grade. I grade the level of intensity of it.
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Well, it depends on your diet too. Right. Right. Early does. But you know what? It's just comfortable.
It's very comfortable. Because when I see people with pajamas, I mean, I'm talking about the
pajamas like now, 1960s, 1970s. How in the hell can you sleep like that? How can you turn around?
Well, you can. And then the pulling on you is like, I just don't want anything like that. I sleep
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in my underwear. Is that for you? All right. Well, I mean, again, I do sleep in my underwear too,
but I've been noticing that I'm like, I don't like being, you know, naked. I don't know. Well,
there we go. Well, you know, I don't know. So next time you get the invitation to naked game night.
Well, the next time you do, you say, oh, no, but my friend. Maybe you're going to host a naked game
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night at your house. Yeah. Well, you need just like a couple of board games. Yeah. And then
about a dartboard. Well, do you want to pay darts naked? No, I don't want to pay. My boys
and my boys are loving the dartboard. Are they? Oh my god. I think they don't know. We had a dartboard,
but you knew exactly where the dartboard was when we took it down when we moved because every mist
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dirt, you have a hole in the wall. You know, and that's the whole thing. I bought the dartboard
because, you know, they do their gamers. They have their Xbox and they do that. But I tell you
what, it's just so nice to when I put it up, I gave it to them for Christmas. We put it up and man,
we had the best time of just being together, throwing the darts and talking. And that, you know,
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that's one of my big things that I want with my boys is, you know, I've talked to them how to play
golf during the pandemic. No, we don't go and play as much, but we like going to top golf. But,
you know, I love that. I just try to find things that we can do to help. Yes, because it's very
important. Absolutely. Absolutely. How are we in time? I think we're at about 40 minutes. I think
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this is a good episode on. Yeah. So again, season two. Season two. Episode one. Episode one.
Thank you guys so much for joining us. Take care. Bye. Bye.
Hello gay men and happy new year. Welcome to coming inside out. I am John. I'm Brian.
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Happy new year, John. Happy new year, Brian. Happy new year, listeners. Do you all have a good one?
Yes, this is season two. Yes, we were talking about this earlier. We successfully completed
37 episodes for season one without missing a beat. Thank you, listeners. Episode one.
We are so excited, guys. We had a little production meeting before today's episode.
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I have to say this is probably one of my first production meetings that we had. I don't know,
we've had a little before, but nothing like that. It's really exciting because, first of all,
from both of us, we want to thank all of our listeners because this was a concept, a thought
at dinner over a year ago. Brian comes to me, we talk about it. My goodness, look how far we've come.
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It's close to 25,000 downloads, 37 trailer and 36 episodes starting in May of 2024.
This has been exciting. Again, everyone that has written in, called in, has emailed, texted,
paged, whatever, however you got us a message. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your support.
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Yes. With that, we're looking for an intern. We're ready to launch this into 2.0.
Yes, we are. This is our second season, starting our second season for 2025.
From our production meeting, we are looking for an intern, somebody that is just starting out into
the entertainment business, but in all these new, what's the young generation called now?
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I don't know. It's before millennials, right? What is it? The Gen Z? Is that the millennials?
If you know anyone that is wanting to learn more about podcasts or know about marketing,
write us in. Tell us. Let us know. Again, we're in LA. We're both realtors. Again,
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we can't bring you this podcast without plugging our company. Yes. If you're looking to buy, sell,
or invest in real estate, please, please refer business to us and then also anywhere. I'm actually
closing a property in the Dominican Republic right now. Oh, dang. Good for you. Yeah. We closed
two, this coming Tuesday. When this drops, it'll be closed. I worked on that a year,
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but we're able to refer business as well. Again, a little plug for our company. Anything you want to
have fun? I'm thankful for both of us, right? I want to jump into the holiday. You were in
Texas with your family. I did. I went to Texas. I mean, the boys, we went over there for New
Year. We were in LA for Christmas, and then we went over to New Year's. My brother, he has four
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children and the oldest, or yeah, the oldest, he's my godson, Blake and his wife have been
listening to our podcast, right? Oh, you took the, yeah. Right. And they were talking about it again,
but my other nephew, he was doing improv. So he had a show Friday night, the day we were flying
into Houston. So I told my brother, I said, get us hotels. We'll stay with you guys. And you know what?
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We grew up poor. We grew up very poor. We never took vacations as a family. It was never done.
And now that my brother is making money in a good living and I'm making a good living,
we were not conditioned to have family vacations together. And this was just a miniature vacation,
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but it was his wife. She's so sweet. Amy is great. And the kids are great and they're growing up. But
what I'd love to see were the boys interacting with their cousins. Okay. Now, does your wife go with you
back to Texas? No, no, she stays here. Okay. And again, we'll clear that up. All right. We, we,
we served each other our divorce papers in December, Merry Christmas. And that's, that's
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starting to go. So I'm going to definitely share with you and our listeners how things are going.
But, you know, we did it in a way that we didn't pay for a server to come and serve you or anything
like that. We both are trying to do this and look, and look at me as heavily. And, and so we,
we both filled out information, but I had a service company served because she sent to me.
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And then I had to respond to that. You have 30 days to respond to it. And I did respond,
but I had a company do that for me. It was like a thousand bucks to do it, which is not cheap. But
I liked that company and they can do some other things as well. But yeah, we served each other.
But no, she, she was here. Her mother came in from New York, from New York. And, you know,
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we went to Liam's game and had a good time. And, and I drove, you know, so my mother-in-law, I mean,
we all had Christmas Eve together. We had Christmas day together as well. And then me and the boys
went to Houston, we went, you know, to Houston and then to Beaumont and stayed with my brother and
then stayed with my mom. Now, my mom is 87 years old. Okay. Close in age to my parents. Yeah. And,
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you know, I came out to my mother, what, maybe six, seven years, six to seven years ago. And,
you know, we don't talk about it every time, you know, we just don't talk about, you know, that.
But we kind of did this time. It's really interesting. So I told my mom about the podcast.
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She was, oh my God, that's so great. And, and I told her what we were talking about and trying
to hit you honey, I think that is so good. That is so good that, and I'm sure you're helping other
people. And again, that was our production, our production. Meeting. Meeting today was, you know,
what is our why? What is our why with this podcast? And, and the why with the podcast is to, to help
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people like us and pave the way because we've had so many people before us pave this way in the LGBTQ
plus community. It has to continue to go. It has to continue to go. And I feel that we are a vessel
for that. Yeah, we get so many people writing in saying, Oh my God, I didn't know this existed. I
thought I was all alone. Similar is what we had said. I'm now thinking of coming out to my wife.
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I mean, we have, we have a group of men that are all at different stages of deciding it's time for
them to come out to their wives. And it's so interesting because when I was talking to my
mother, again, my mother, we started talking really serious about right when I should have left to go
to the airport. So it was so, you know, so I was delayed. We got to the airport. Okay, but I like
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getting there early, but we had a very long conversation, 45 minute conversation about,
about that and about what we're going to be doing with my mother because she's, you know,
coming of age and what type of help or if we're going to do independent living with her. And
anyway, but we just started talking about the show and talking about my one man show. You know,
and so, you know, she was well, honey, sing me something and, you know, sing me a song. So I
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did, you know, cause my mother's always asking me to sing and I always say, no, no, no, what the
fuck man, that's your mom. Yeah. And she goes, Oh my God, honey, you got to be, you know, my mom,
she just loves me. She loves it. I've been pursuing the acting forever and she's always loved that.
But anyway, I came out to her six, seven years ago and when I came out to her, I told her, I said,
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mom, you know, cause she was, well, maybe, you know, I maybe have to, can I tell, I go,
mother, you can tell whoever you want to. I didn't want to put it on her and give her a limitation
or don't tell this, don't tell anyone, don't tell, because for me, this is for me and for listeners,
you, you navigate it the way you want, but I want to share with you how I did this and how it came
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back that I'm glad I did it that way. So when I told her, it was, she goes, well, you know,
maybe I could talk to father or something. I said, yeah, you can talk to him. He's probably gay.
He'll understand. But I, excuse me, I won't tell, I can mother. Yes, you can. I go, you can tell
anybody you want to, because why put that on me and on her house because it's going to come out.
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And then I'm going to resent my mom because she outed me. No, mom, do it. I felt that comfortable.
Now a while back, I wouldn't, I've been scared to do it. Well, anyway, she tells me the story that
I didn't know about. But last summer, we all go in and we, we rented a beach house and the whole
family comes and then my sister's ex-husband, who's my niece's father. I know, I know it goes a long
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way. But anyway, you know, he's no longer part of the family or whatever. But my mother told me the
story because she goes, well, you know, Robert, when I was out on the deck, he goes, you know,
John's gay. I said, well, did he ask that in a question or was it a statement? Was he trying
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to out you to somebody or exactly? She goes, honey, I don't know. And she goes, I looked right at him.
I said, yes, I do. And I said, okay, was there anything else? She goes, no, I go, well, that's
it. I go, well, did he, was he curious? Was he empathetic? Was he just trying to throw something
at you? She goes, honey, I don't know the context of why he said it. But, you know, I, and that was
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the first time her and I had talked about somebody saying something other than, you know, but, you
know, he's not part of our family anymore. And so, some ways he is, he's my niece's father. I always
liked the guy, but I don't want to start anything. I don't want to call him up. Hey,
motherfucker, what was your point? Yeah. And you know what? That's the other thing.
He's a psychiatrist. Wow. His motherfucker, he was a, he was an eye surgeon, a lawyer,
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and a psychiatrist. Very, you know, and he actually, when my sister married him, he was, he had money.
So he brought that money element to us, which we never had. And he introduced us to a lot of
different things in life, which I appreciate. But I was just curious, well, why? Yeah, because
potentially he could have just outed you to your mother. Exactly. And I didn't put that on me.
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Because if I said, no, no, tell anybody. So at this point, I'm like, it's okay. And I'm not
upset. But I am curious as did he say it in a way for support or to stir up shit or what? And
you know what? It really doesn't matter. And you know what else? I can't remember if I came out to
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him or not. I think I did. I may have when we were, because I was talking to him as well. But
it was very interesting. Well, you keep your power when you say, I'm coming out and you can
tell whoever you want to tell, because then you're not, there's no barrier, right? It's going to come
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at you, right? A blind side of you with them knowing because you've let it be. Okay. Tell
whoever you want. I'm out. I'm gay. I'm happy. I'm proud. Exactly. And you know, when you're from
a small town, you know, there are people that love to that are very insecure with themselves.
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They don't have anything going on. And they've got dudes, they got gossip. And I feel that there are
people that my relatives, very close relatives, they use that to create a conversation. They thrive
on it. They thrive on it. Absolutely. Yeah. Because they don't have shit going on. Yes. Yes. And this
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is some drama. So I share this with everyone because I think I was able to place myself in a
position to protect myself and be able to be okay with it. And if you can get anything out of that,
if you are coming out, if you coming out to your mom or to your father, to anybody, I think for me,
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it was best that I didn't put a limitation and you could. You could say, hey, you know,
give me six months. I'm going to be coming out to other people. Whatever works for you. Yes.
Whatever works for your situation. Yeah. That was mine. Good. Yeah. So it's a good time. Good.
And yours, tell me about yours. So I was around my family Christmas and our Christmas evening,
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Christmas day, everything was good. On New Year's, I availed myself to my kids. If you guys need to
ride, if your friends need to ride, I'm not going to go anywhere. I'll hang out at home
and make myself available for a ride. When I came out during COVID, there was nothing happening for
New Year's. So I was home with my boys for New Year's. And then in December of 2022 for New Year's,
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I went to this crazy big party. It was amazing. And had a great time. And then the countdown,
the countdown, five, four, three, two, one, and I'm outside this big patio standing there with all of
these people. And happy New Year. And it probably was three seconds, but it felt like 30 seconds.
And I was standing there and just all of a sudden, happy New Year, everybody turns in there kissing
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where they were there with. And I was like, holy shit, I'm like standing here by myself. So I
turned around and I just found the bathroom and I, you know, pretended to go to the bathroom and I
came out and I went home and I was like, oh, shit. You didn't kiss yourself in the middle? No, I was
like, oh, shit, that was uncomfortable. I didn't, you know, I just didn't anticipate that moment.
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And so last year, I was kind of like the walking wound it a little bit. I'm like, oh, I'm not going
to put myself in that position again. I don't want to go out if I don't have everybody, you know,
to kiss at New Year's or whatever. And then this year, I was like, you know what, Brian,
do something. I, you know, went to dinner, took my dad for a walk and then availed myself to my kids.
And I had a great New Year's and it was just me and my dog. Yes. You know what? And that's okay.
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And I've been to New Year's Eve parties by myself and that had happened. And then of course,
your close friends come up to you after the day. I didn't wait. I split. But I was watching
a letter. My next guest or introduce on Netflix. It's David Letterman. He has my next guest and
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it's just interviews. And I watched the one with Miley Cyrus last night. Miley Cyrus is the singer
and she's talking, I think the new one of the songs she gets you won the Grammy for flowers.
It's, yes. Yes. I mean, it's a beautiful song because it talks about loving yourself and how
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you can love yourself. And in our book, the 369 book, it talks about before you go and love
someone else, you need to love your sadness. Yes. And oh my God, I love that song. I really do.
And Miley, if you're out there listening, love you to come on this podcast. She's a big gay,
gay friendly fan. Okay, I didn't know that. Well, my hashtag her. What we should hashtag her.
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Miley, I love you. You're amazing. And anyway, thank you for writing that song because it's,
it's an anthem. I think it's an anthem for, it doesn't matter who you are, you can't love yourself.
And so that's why I said, did you kiss yourself in a mirror? Because after this podcast, I'm going
to go make out with my in the mirror and wish myself happy. Well, listen, I want to start this
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podcast off with the bang season two, episode one. Yes. One of our listeners wrote in, I printed it
out. Oh, I gave you the stick there. Okay. Well, speaking of bang, bang being the keyword, bang being
the keyword. In episode 29, if you go back and listen to it, we printed out the instructions on
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how to stimulate and milk your prostate. Yeah. And one of our listeners, and I hadn't did it,
I still have not done it, but one of our listeners did, he wrote in, so I printed it out, I thought
you could show that. And I have, by the way, just so I know. Oh, I haven't. I haven't. I have. It's
awesome. It's awesome. You can call it an ass play or whatever, but it's really cool. Here we go.
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He goes, hello again, Brian. Riding back in, and because I've been catching up with episodes,
I do appreciate the advice from you guys. And for reading my email discussion, hopefully next year,
we shall see what it brings. The thing that got me to write back though, was based across two
episodes on the curiosity of prostate stimulation. You, you quick funny chat had my interest, and I
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was half considering it. I kind of looked into it and found an interesting Reddit post that sold,
sold it further. I looked online and there was an affordable massager that made me say, what the
heck? I got it delivered and again, sat, sat on, what he said on? No, he sat on the thought. Oh,
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he sat on the thought a couple of days. I thought he sat on the thought of things. I did give it a
try at first, thinking that it isn't really working for me. I remember on the podcast,
he mentioned something like knee to chest and pointing toward the belly button. So not sure
how different that would feel, but with the massager, it didn't do much for a little while,
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until it starts to kick in and you feel your legs shake. If you keep sticking with it,
it eventually, there's so much material here, if you keep sticking with it, it eventually takes
it to a full body sensation. I didn't go all the way as to orgasm. What? Mostly due to time factor,
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but I should say, even though not at the end, it's still a heck of a pleasure. I definitely say,
give it a try and let us know. One other thing, thank you for sharing your story of your first
time, even if you didn't count it. It is still a great story that I am sure many relate to that
is especially difficult for them to try and experiment. They feel that they have to numb
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themselves. Thank you for writing in on this. Listen, I think a lot of people call it as-play
or what have you. And let me tell you, there is a lot in the straight community that does this.
All right. I say a lot. I just hear people talking about it or women talking about them,
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but I hear it's- Never played with my ass before. No. No. But this is, I'm not mean at
orc, but this is, I thought we would get you a glass of wine, we would put on some soft music,
maybe light a candle, go back, find the instructions on finding and milking your prostate, and we'll
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do a video, an audio on it, like a sultry sexual, you could use- You know what I do this? No.
You read the instructions again in a very sensual way. Okay. Clean your, what was it?
Cut your fingernails. Yeah. Okay. Clean your butt. Yeah. You got to be on your side.
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All right. And you, you know, you- I mean, listen, it is, and there's more that I've
watched before. And let me tell you, I mean, that is an androgynous. Yes. Oh, it's your G spot.
It is your G spot. It is your G spot. And if you hit it right, man, it's sometimes you can, you know-
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Your legs shaking and all that. Your legs shaking, your body shaking, you know, you can do this
without even touching your- Wow. All right. Well, we need more listeners to go back and listen to
episode 29 and try the fighting and stimulating your prostate and writing in and telling us about
it. Yeah. I mean, why not? Why not? Well, that was a good one. The second thing he talked about,
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I had shared several episodes, this is many episodes ago, my first time. And I don't know
that you shared your first time, but my very first time, I was, my wife and I were divorced,
I got myself so drunk and stoned that I barely remembered my first time. I had to completely
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get myself 100% out of sorts in order to even allow myself the experience. And in doing so,
I don't even barely remember the experience. So I didn't share that as my first time,
because I thought, oh my God, I was drunk and stoned and this and that and just, it felt humiliating.
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But somebody told me that that was also their first time. And I was like, okay, well,
I'm not alone. Well, no, you're not alone. And a lot of my experience with them were, you know,
going through the gay bars and let me tell you, when they pour a drink in a gay bar,
you're getting your money's worth. You really do. They come strong, at least once I've been to.
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But it, you know, it's interesting because in the beginning, if it was, you know, getting the
inhibitions down, drinking it, that's definitely what happens. But you have to be careful,
because if you get, you know, two ways to, I mean, it could, it could turn out to be a bad
experience if you're picking someone out, got the ball over. I have you. And, but yeah, I mean,
(22:24):
well, I went to his house. Remember, I told you, I went to this guy's house and I stayed out front.
And what was his name? Was it John Donmer? I smoked pot and drink, pre-made
margarita mix in my car. The next thing I'm going to share with you, and this is on our YouTube page.
(22:49):
If any of our listeners want to go on our YouTube page, we have a post, somebody wrote into us,
you and I joke about Bobby Ewing all the time. Yeah, we do. Not Patrick, well, Patrick Duffy,
the speedo. One of our listeners remembers to when he knew he was gay. Oh, okay. And he wrote in,
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and this is his name is Jim Palmer. He's a baseball player and he did jockey at commercial. Oh, that
guy, yeah, I remember him. And so he wrote in that he remembered his aha moment was when he saw this
ad and he actually found it online. So I posted that on our YouTube page. I watched that. But I
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also posted Bobby Ewing and his speedo. Okay. But then Tom Selleck, someone sent this into us too.
Do you ever remember Tom Selleck looking like that or having a speedo on or just bathing?
No, but not, I mean, that's kind of an effeminate position too that he has.
Is that his hip hop? I don't know. Is that only him though? That's him. It is him. It's from
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a, look at his face. It's color and his, it's him. If you, if you're a listener and you want to go
on our YouTube page, I posted the photos, but yeah, he wrote in Jim Palmer was his,
was his aha moment and his jockey. I love that. Yeah, mainly Jim Palmer, who was many ads for them,
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the strong, the string bikini was in the blue, blue, blue. Yeah. So there you go. Oh my god,
look at Pete Rose. Remember Pete Rose? He got busted for gambling here. I think with the reds
or whoever they are. Well, and I posted that ad on there. So if anybody wants to go and look at
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it. So all the athletes in their jockey gear, you can go on and look at that. But yeah, I thought
that was pretty, that's pretty cool. I liked that you did that. Yeah. So we have a new listener
that reached out to me. I think it was through instant messenger anyways. And I put this on your
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thing too. He is polyamorous, which is you are not monogamous. You enjoy multiple partners.
Oh, yeah. And he referred a book to us. I don't know if any of our listeners have read this book.
It's called The Ethical Slut. A practical guide to polyamory, open relationships and other adventures.
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The essential guide for singles and couples who want to explore polyamory in a way that are
ethical and emotionally sustainable. So yeah, I haven't looked into that book. I thought I would
buy it on behalf of the podcast, but I'm a monogamous person. So but I'm happy to do the research for
(25:52):
the podcast. Yeah, I mean, I still lean to, and there are people that are monogamous.
But I think the majority of the world is not. I'm not saying there's not people that are
monogamous. For periods of time, you're monogamous. You don't have to be monogamous your entire life,
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but you have a five, 10-year-old. Oh, yeah. You can have a spurt or a period of it. But when you
look at statistics of divorce in the United States, I think right now we have topped over 50% of the
marriage's fail. And out of that 50%, what's the difference? A double three? A double three?
(26:35):
Yeah. And I just think, I don't know. I don't know. Are we wired to be monogamous? I think some are,
some are not. But when it comes into something like this, I think it's great. I mean, it throws a
little spice into it. But everybody's in your life for a reason, and you are serving each other for
(27:00):
a period of time under certain circumstances. And when your circumstances change, so does your
relationship. You're raising a family, and that's the circumstances keeping you together. There's
a bunch of different reasons, but I think people grow apart when their circumstances change.
I agree with that. And to be honest, and it's, you know, I lived a lie. I lived a lie, and I wasn't
(27:26):
honest. It wasn't truthful, not all the other people, but to myself. And at this chapter in my life,
I want to be an open book. And I think that's why I'm a little bit, you know, free to talk on here.
It just gives me a venue here to be able to be honest. And, you know, who knows, once I start
dating, will there be, you know, a third person or whatever, I'm open to that. Maybe, huh? You know?
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Well, yeah. At least I want to communicate that to whoever I date. Yeah. And see where that goes,
because if, like, me and you, if we were to go out, we're not a match. No. Not a match,
because we're different. But we know that, and that's part of your truth. And so,
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you know, I just think, well, I think some people like to go out and just play. They just want to
play. Yeah. I don't want to go out and play. I'm watching. Well, speaking of playing, I mean, tell me
about that naked game night you were talking about. I don't want to go play, but, oh, I just went to
a naked game. What is it called? Game night? Yes. They call it the games that were naked.
(28:36):
Big, gay, naked game night. Okay. Listen, if it's a family member listening, you can turn this off
and come back on in five minutes. Who? Your family? Well, I know my two of my family members listen.
This is probably not family member. Listen, as much as it was R rated, it was an innocent,
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or X rated. It was an innocent X rated. All right. Lay it on us. Tell us. Tell us. What? So,
my neighbor has invited me to naked game night several times. I've declined. You last told me,
threatened me. If you don't go, you better give me the invitation because I'm going.
What did you do? He thought, what just happened? My neighbor reached out to me, you know,
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it was this whole big, long dialogue back and forth, what was going to happen, what wasn't
going to happen, the whole thing. I was like, oh my God, I have not been, other than being in
junior high school or high school and going through the locker room to get in a shower,
I have not been naked in front of a group of people ever. I was naked in front of my wife,
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and that was it. I'm not naked in front of other men. So, to be, go to somebody's house and be
naked was causing me a lot of anxiety. So, I agreed to go under the, you know, that it wasn't going
to be a play party. It was just going to be parameters for yourself. But you also make,
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but see, that's also about being clear, being up front. Yes. As you had mentioned to me earlier,
that I made sure that this was not a hookup party and I wanted to make sure. But I mean,
you can make sure of that. But once you're in the moment, you're naked, you're hanging out with
other guys. Yeah, for this naked game, you set the parameters with the host. And the host and his
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husband, do they play outside of their relationship? No, they do not. No, not to my knowledge.
But again, look, Brian, I think this was huge for you. This was another growth for you. Because,
if you know Brian, you've been listening for a while, this is huge for him. And you ended up
doing it. I have to say, I'm very proud of you to go and do that and explore it. But I'm also
(30:59):
glad that you set the parameters within yourself, but you also made it clear to the host. Yes.
Like, look, no monkey business. Yes. And there wasn't monkey business. It was so, we had such a
great time. He's like, okay, listen, we're going to wait for everybody to get here. And then you
can slowly start taking your clothes off. I guess naked game night is a big thing. I've never heard
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of it before. But not everybody gets naked at every party. Some people take everything off,
except they're underwear or whatever. But he's like, you know what, we'll wait for everybody to get
here. And then we'll just start shedding our clothes. And I said, well, let's everybody get
there and play strip poker. I'll win. And then I'll be able to keep my clothes on. And the last
one I used to do, we used to do strip poker when I mean, this is with mixed men at women. Okay.
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Oh, yeah. So it's an absolute yes. We were playing strip poker. And you know, it's just a,
it's just an easy way to get people's clothes off and be comfortable. But there's also challenging
and winning and stuff. So you didn't do the poker. No, no, no, we got there. And I mean,
as soon as everybody was there, the two hosts were pretty much naked very quickly. They both
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had very nice bodies. They're in their 30s. They handed out what did I call but towels?
Yeah, but towels. She could sit on whatever you want to sit on. We sat at their dining room table
and played a dice game of first naked. And then we all had this giant sectional, we all sat on
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this big giant sectional and played the switch. It's like a Xbox or a PlayStation, but it's called
the switch. And it was a game called Jack Box. Okay. It's like a trivia game. It was fun. So it
was, it was, went from like seven to midnight. Oh, well, it was, did they serve food? We had food.
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Yes, they had food. Really? And so did you walk up, did anybody's dick go into the soup or into
the cheese? No, I kept covering myself with my napkin and one of the hosts kept removing my napkin
from my lap. I really love that. Okay. But yeah, I was just, you know, it was, I was naked in front
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of it. And so it was, it was five of you total. Five of you, two neighbors yourself and then the
two other guys. Yes. Two others. They both came in. Both friends of theirs. Yeah. Both
otters. Do you know what an otter is? An otter is a step below a bear, I think that is, is, is
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hairy. Has some hair. Yeah. Maybe not as thick as a bear. Or petite. Yeah. I don't know. We're not
tall men. Yeah. Are they otters? That's what the hosts had told me that we're going to be, because
I said, okay, does everybody have a body like yours? Because everybody has a body like yours.
I'm 55. I'm like 15 years older than them. And I'm like, I don't want to go there, you know,
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we don't have the same bodies. Right. It's like, no, no, no, the other two guys are
otters. Don't worry. And I'm like, I don't mean anything. One of the hosts, what were they? They're
not twinks. No, one is six, three. Very good looking. Yeah. Nice body. The other one is probably
five, 10. Even nicer body. Really? Let's expect and the whole shebang. But yeah,
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was it pictures taken or anything? No, no pictures taken. Did they have any video cameras in their
house? I have no idea. I don't know. No, I don't think so. Well, you'll be seeing Brian on the
internet. We have a naked game night with some video. Let's hope not. My goodness. That was
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this after the new year? This is last night. So look at you already in 2025. You're already being
on the slide. Yeah, I'm being a little like, yeah, I like that. Well, no, there's something new,
you know, it's kind of, we all have new year's resolutions, of course, but there's also. Well,
mine wasn't to go to naked game. No, it wasn't, but it was something different that you've never
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done before. And again, yes, what would you do it in here? I don't think I would. I think it's a one
and done. Yeah, I got it. I don't know. So you don't have to share this if you don't want to,
but I don't sit around naked at my house. I don't walk around naked at my house. I'll walk around
in my underwear. Do you sleep naked? I don't sleep naked. I mean, I've been sleeping naked. I love
(35:34):
that. But I always keep a pair of shorts next to my bed in case there's a earthquake. I gotta get
out. But I'm really enjoying sleeping naked. I'm not a germaphobe, but I did read several years ago
how many times the average person farts in the night and you not to be disgusting, but you know,
(35:56):
something comes out every time you fart. And do you want to sleep in shitty sheets? Because you're
naked. And I'm like, I don't. You're gonna do that? I'm gonna wear underwear. underwear doesn't
capture that. If you're still farting, it's gonna filter. It's a filter. Yeah. I'm gonna catch
everything. All right. Well, that's why I do. But what I like to do is when I fart, I hold it,
(36:18):
then I just raise the sheets and I let it come down. I'm like, okay, that's a rough one. It's
called a Dutch oven. It's called a Dutch oven. It's on someone's shirt. Yes. So you put that
sheet out. I kind of like doing the little parachute thing where I throw my sheets up a little bit
and it comes down and it airs and all that. Then I grade. I grade the level of intensity of it.
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Well, it depends on your diet too. Right. Right. Early does. But you know what? It's just comfortable.
It's very comfortable. Because when I see people with pajamas, I mean, I'm talking about the
pajamas like now, 1960s, 1970s. How in the hell can you sleep like that? How can you turn around?
Well, you can. And then the pulling on you is like, I just don't want anything like that. I sleep
(37:05):
in my underwear. Is that for you? All right. Well, I mean, again, I do sleep in my underwear too,
but I've been noticing that I'm like, I don't like being, you know, naked. I don't know. Well,
there we go. Well, you know, I don't know. So next time you get the invitation to naked game night.
Well, the next time you do, you say, oh, no, but my friend. Maybe you're going to host a naked game
(37:27):
night at your house. Yeah. Well, you need just like a couple of board games. Yeah. And then
about a dartboard. Well, do you want to pay darts naked? No, I don't want to pay. My boys
and my boys are loving the dartboard. Are they? Oh my god. I think they don't know. We had a dartboard,
but you knew exactly where the dartboard was when we took it down when we moved because every mist
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dirt, you have a hole in the wall. You know, and that's the whole thing. I bought the dartboard
because, you know, they do their gamers. They have their Xbox and they do that. But I tell you
what, it's just so nice to when I put it up, I gave it to them for Christmas. We put it up and man,
we had the best time of just being together, throwing the darts and talking. And that, you know,
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that's one of my big things that I want with my boys is, you know, I've talked to them how to play
golf during the pandemic. No, we don't go and play as much, but we like going to top golf. But,
you know, I love that. I just try to find things that we can do to help. Yes, because it's very
important. Absolutely. Absolutely. How are we in time? I think we're at about 40 minutes. I think
(38:45):
this is a good episode on. Yeah. So again, season two. Season two. Episode one. Episode one.
Thank you guys so much for joining us. Take care. Bye. Bye.
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