July 27, 2025 • 30 mins
Finding the right therapist can feel overwhelming, but understanding different therapy modalities can help you make an informed choice for your healing journey.
• Different therapy modalities work for different people - there's no one-size-fits-all approach
• Top-down approaches like CBT focus on changing thoughts to change feelings and behaviors
• Bottom-up approaches like somatic therapy work with the body to access emotions and release trauma
• Therapists often practice modalities that worked in their own healing journeys
• Person-centered therapy focuses on the therapeutic relationship as the foundation for healing
• Somatic work helps clients reconnect with their bodies to access emotions and regulate their nervous systems
• Intergenerational approaches examine family patterns to understand current challenges
• Finding the right therapist may take several consultations - and that's completely normal
• Trauma can be defined as anything that overloaded your nervous system, not just extreme events
• The therapeutic relationship is ultimately more important than any specific modality
Episode Guest:
Meet Grace Lawrie, LPC – Therapist, Healing Partner, and Advocate for Neurodivergent & LGBTQIA+ Communities
Grace is a deeply intuitive and compassionate therapist who brings a holistic, embodied approach to healing. Rooted in the belief that the therapeutic relationship is the foundation of transformation, Grace creates a space of safety, curiosity, and collaboration where clients can explore their inner landscapes and reconnect with their inherent wisdom.
With training in Internal Family Systems (IFS), Gestalt therapy, somatic practices, and Ketamine-Assisted Psychotherapy (KAP), Grace supports clients in aligning their emotional, physical, and psychological selves. Her work is anchored in anti-oppressive, trauma-informed, and neurodiversity-affirming frameworks—making her a trusted guide for neurodivergent individuals, LGBTQIA+ clients, and those navigating complex trauma, identity exploration, and non-traditional relationships.
As a clinician for queer and neurodivergent folks, Grace brings lived experience, deep empathy, and authenticity into every session. Whether supporting clients through emotional healing, relationship dynamics, or psychedelic integration, she empowers them to move from surviving to thriving—on their own terms.
To contact Grace Lawrie
Email: grace@movingpartspsychotherapy.com
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Couch Time with Cat, your safe place for
real conversation and a gentlecheck-in.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
KWVH presents Couch Time with Cat.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome to Couch Time with Cat mental wellness.
With a friendly voice.
I'm your host, Cat, a traumatherapist, coach, best-selling
author and TEDx speaker withyears of experience supporting
people around the world as theynavigate healing, growth and
everything in between.
But more than that, I'm justsomeone who's endlessly curious
about what makes us tick and howwe can live with more meaning,
(00:32):
connection and compassion.
We're coming to you today fromthe beautiful Texas Hill Country
at Wimberley Valley Radio, andI'm so glad you're here.
This show is about realconversations about what it
means to be human, how westruggle and how we heal, and
today we're starting withdifferent modalities.
(00:53):
How do you know what type oftherapy is right for you?
To unpack all of this, I'mjoined by my dear friend and
fellow therapist, grace Laurie,someone who brings so much
clarity, presence and heart tothe work of healing.
You're in for a treat.
(01:13):
Grace is a deeply intuitive andcompassionate therapist who
brings a holistic, embodiedapproach to healing, rooted in
the belief that the therapeuticrelationship is the foundation
of transformation.
Grace creates a space of safety, curiosity and collaboration
where clients can explore theirinner landscapes and reconnect
with their inherent wisdom.
With training in internalfamily systems, gestalt therapy,
(01:33):
somatic practices andketamine-assisted psychotherapy.
Grace supports clients inaligning their emotional,
physical and psychologicalselves.
Her work is anchored inanti-oppressive, trauma-informed
and neurodiversity-formingframeworks, making her a trusted
guide for neurodivergentindividuals, lgbtqia plus
(01:55):
clients and those navigatingcomplex trauma, identity
exploration and non-traditionalrelationships.
Please welcome Grace Laurie.
Hi, hi, gracie I'm so happy tobe here.
I'm so happy you're here.
You're the best.
Should we get into it?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Let's do this.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Okay, so you joined us for the last episode and you
were so helpful and informativein helping us figure out what is
therapy and what is it not, andI thought we would continue and
talk about different types oftherapy, different modalities.
We alluded to that a little bitin the previous episode and I
(02:35):
thought you could help us unpackthe different type of
modalities that clients can lookfor and that they can just have
a good sense of what is outthere, how it can be helpful for
them.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense, I think, even what
is modality?
Oh yeah, yeah, let's rewind whatis modality Grace Right so all
of us therapists are trained indifferent theories and types of
therapy right.
We have body-based therapy.
We have thought-based therapy.
We are in schools of what wecall bottom up or top down,
(03:13):
right?
So is it that we're going tochange your thoughts, to then
change how you interact and thenchange how your brain is
actually firing thoughts, or arewe going to focus on the bodily
sensation, to change what'shappening in the brain, that
then changes behavior, that thenchanges thoughts?
Right.
(03:33):
And so different people mightfind different modalities or
ways of therapy easier or morealigned or more appropriate
maybe for what they're workingwith, their personality type,
their life experience, and Ithink that that's a big part,
right.
People maybe go to a therapistand say, oh, I hated that.
(03:56):
And then they don't try anothertherapist right when that is a
snapshot of how one therapistworks, maybe in one particular
style or with one modality.
I'm putting air quotes aroundthis and it's not a picture of
what therapy can be or whatother options maybe look like.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
As you're talking, I'm thinking about food.
Yeah thinking about food, yeah,and different types of food and
how a taco at one restaurant isnot the same as a taco at
another restaurant and is notindicative of all mexican food
right, or even right.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
If you were, say, hungry and you went to an indian
restaurant and you wanted ataco, you'd be like this is the
worst taco I've ever had.
Right even if it's reallyreally completely wrong yeah,
even if it's really really goodbiryani right, it's just not.
It's not a taco so I think thatthat's part of it.
(04:55):
Right, like what restaurantmade your taco is, maybe what
therapist it is.
If you're even getting a tacois the modality.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
That is so helpful.
Yeah, that is a really goodperspective.
How does a therapist choosetheir modalities?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, well, I can say for me and I'm sure some of
this rings true for you but abig part of it is what has
worked in my own life Right, abig part of it is what has
worked in my own life right,like I shared, that baby Grace
18, 19-year-old Grace went totherapy and laid down on the
couch and that was straight talktherapy and it didn't do much
(05:34):
for me.
So there were years betweenthat experience and when I
sought therapy again and when Iwent back and found kind of my
therapist, like my multiple-yeardeep relationship of my
therapist, like my multiple yeardeep relationship relational
healing therapist.
It was somatic therapy, it wasgestalt therapy, it was
bioenergetics right, thesethings that I had never heard,
(05:56):
those words before I didn't knowwhat we were doing.
I just knew that I feltdifferent, that I was in my body
, that I was deeply connectedwith this person, that that
things started to get easier andlighter.
And after doing that worksomething, some things kind of
(06:16):
shifted in my life and Irealized that I wanted to do
this work with other people.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
That was the path that I knew right, like I was
like, of course, this is it.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
This is this is what works, and then, the more that I
have you know, done this workand tried other therapists the
things that have worked are thethings I get trained in, the
things that I was like, I cansee how that would work for
someone didn't work for me.
I'm not trained and that's andthat's it right, like there's a
right, like there's a lid forevery pot, right.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I had a very similar experience with my therapist and
I will say let's dispel themyth that therapists don't need
therapists.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Oh my gosh, we need them, maybe the most.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
What do you think it is about?
What do you think about that?
What are your thoughts aroundtherapists needing therapy?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah, I mean, we hold the container for so many
people, right?
I think about this often.
I think about this a lot if I'mgoing to be out of office,
right?
Like that's one hour of ourclient's week.
But, for us.
We're seeing five, six, seven30, you know, a good day.
(07:32):
Yeah, you know.
So if you think of holding thatcontainer for that many hours a
day, right, helping peoplereally get into what they're
struggling with, right,sometimes the worst things that
have happened to them in theirlife we hold space for
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experiences.
Maybe some of those experiences, there's so much empathy there,
that right, that it it'spainful to hear people that you
love go through things like thatright, and so taking care of us
is making sure that we're alsoa clean container that we're not
coming to those experienceswith our own pain, because we
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need to be able to support ourclients, so I would say that
it's a really important resourcefor me in my life.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
I agree, I agree, I'm right there with you.
I almost think it's a moralmandate.
Yeah, that we be clear enoughso that we can be present with
our clients, and we do walk thewalk.
Grace and I for sure walk thewalk.
I think it's important that,whatever healer you're going
(08:52):
with, that they are involved intheir own healing journey that
they are introspective, thatthey are learning and growing
and trying and they're reallydynamic because that dynamism
will come into the room and thatdynamism will.
(09:15):
They will either know how youfeel as a client or they will be
able to relate, or they will beable to just hit that point of
empathy faster.
You're not.
A client is not just a numberever.
No, it's deeply personal and,as a client signs up with a
(09:38):
therapist, that is personal.
It's also personal for thetherapist.
Yeah, personal for thetherapist.
Yeah, we are accepting your,your story with with a lot of
love and compassion, but it isdefinitely something that we
it's a two-person sign updefinitely.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, it has to be the right fit on both sides, and
that's the thing is know therewill always be more clients.
So, if someone isn't the rightfit, and there will always be
more therapists, most definitely, if it isn't the right fit on
either side.
Find someone that is it's soworth it.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yes, it's so worth it and it's not bad.
No, but therapist feelings willnot get hurt.
No, no, not at all, no will notget hurt?
No, no, not at all.
No, we want you to.
We want you to find somebodywho you will connect with and
truly be able to invest inyourself.
Right, that's I mean, that'swhy we're in the biz.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So the modality for me also.
(10:39):
That is how I learn to adopt.
I guess my different modalitiesas a therapist is because I
experienced them as a client.
I thought, oh, this is veryeffective.
I really like this.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
What are you, what modalities are you using these
days?
I mean, we went to schooltogether and we've done some
supervision and things like thattogether, but when you know a
therapist right, you know themeven if you know them
professionally.
You're not their client right,like I don't know what being in
the room is like with you.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
That is true, I use a lot of it's called
person-centered therapy.
So I really that's relationaltherapy.
My the healing is based in therelationship, in the
relationship, and I also do alot of other modalities to help
support that.
(11:31):
So, whether it's parts work,which is akin to IFS work, or
somatic work, which is akin tosomatic experiencing, so I try
to support the person-centeredwith things that are
action-based.
So person-centered isn't veryaction-oriented and, as you know
, I am an action-oriented person.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I'm nodding my head furiously.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
So while I absolutely want to center the client's
experience and their fulfillmentand their becoming, I also want
to give them something to grabonto while they're doing that,
and so I do a lot of um,listener, this is not a modality
.
I do a lot of drawing.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
To be clear, art therapy is a modality Well.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I do art, I do expressive arts, for sure, but I
do, um, I use myself as a tool.
A lot in the room, I get up, Imove around a tool.
A lot in the room, I get up, Imove around, I move my body with
intention.
I draw certain things for theclient.
I do whatever it takes to helpthe client embody this new idea
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or feeling.
So I'm very active.
It's definitely not sit andtell me your story only.
It's sit and tell me your storyand let's do all these other
things.
So I wanted to touch on a fewof the major modalities that
listeners may be coming acrossin articles.
(13:06):
Or do people still havemagazines?
Grace, probably not Articles.
We'll stick with articles andsocial media.
Let's start with CBT.
What does that mean?
Yeah, cognitive-based therapy.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
So when we earlier were talking about top-down,
that is a top-down therapy.
It starts with your thoughts,so the idea is that you
challenge thoughts that you havebeen having, and your thoughts
create certain neural pathwaysin your brain.
So, if we challenge thoseautomatic thoughts and replace
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them with new thoughts we'reactually changing the way your
brain is connecting neuralpathways.
I practice this way rarely.
I would say I am more of abottom-up therapist, but CBT is,
I would say, the most commonform of therapy.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
It's also evidence-based.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
It is very evidence-based.
It's a structure that hashomework, it has worksheets.
You do journaling prompts, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
It sounds like school .
Speaker 2 (14:20):
There is a lot.
It's like a lot of learning.
If people like a lot ofstructure.
They tend to like CBT is myexperience.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
But if you are an intellectualizer, sometimes CBT
can miss the mark a little bitin my experience, but if you are
an, intellectualizer.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Sometimes cbt can miss the mark a little bit in my
experience.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
So I like it as a, as a auxiliary, yeah same.
I'm not a fan of it as astraight up yeah but I can see
where there's a space oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
And sometimes you meet someone who's so good right
at their modality that you'relike not my lane, but for people
who need that oh my gosh I'msending them over there.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
that is true.
That is true sometimes.
Yeah, that is so true.
I don't I wouldn't say that Ipractice cbt specifically, but
when somebody, when a clinician,really knows that modality and
has worked with it for so long,they adapt it and sometimes it
becomes this other being and sodoing CBT with Mr Bill David I
(15:21):
don't know, I've had Bill Davidin my mind all day XYZ clinician
that can be a completelyamazing experience.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, I mean, and that so much of that speaks to
right, how relational therapy islike our point before is that
if someone is lit up by theconcept of cbt, that therapist
is lit up by that right, they'rebringing that passion to it
right, as opposed to if I wasforced to only practice in that
way.
I'd be like there's a worksheetright, like I probably wouldn't
come to it with the sameenthusiasm, that same kind of
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spark Right, I wouldn't be in myflow in that work.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yes, yes, that was a big reason I decided to go into
private practice was because Iwanted to have a lot of leeway
in the modality that I practicedListeners sometimes when
clinicians work at certainagencies or in different
practices, they are not mandated.
(16:22):
What would you say?
They are encouraged.
They are trained, trained inone modality, and so everybody
coming through that agency isdoing CBT work.
Right.
And I didn't think that thatwas necessarily the place for me
.
I needed some more latitude.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
But plenty of places just focus on one type of
modality.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Cat is what we would call an eclectic therapist.
Eclectic she has many tools inher toolbox.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yes, I think it's so fun.
I think it's so fun to be ableto meet the client where they
are in terms of age, heritage,culture, sexual orientation,
anything, religion, whatever itis.
Some things will be applicableand some things won't, and I
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love creating metaphors anddifferent experiences that land
on them and that matter to them.
If I'm treating somebody who isfrom where I'm from South Texas
we have our own little languagebecause we grew up in the same
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area and we just have differentpoints of connection.
If I'm treating somebody fromSouthern California, that's not
going to work.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Totally yeah.
I weirdly get a lot of peoplefrom New York which is where I'm
from yes Listeners, yes, yes, I.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I'm from yes Listeners, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I'm from Staten Island, shout out, out, out, and
I don't think I have an accent,I don't think that I, I don't
think you would know that aboutme.
And then I get clients who arelike oh yeah, I'm from insert
and it's amazing, I'm like youjust find it.
How did you find me?
How did you find me?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, how did you know your energies?
There's no way of knowing Deedoo, dee doo.
Okay, let's go to somatic work.
You've been talking aboutsomatic work.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Give us a little more insight.
So somatic work is work in thebody.
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
The somatic theory that I work from right is the
idea that your body knows youremotions before your mind does
right.
So our experiences, ouremotions, show up in the body in
a number of ways, and the morein tune we are with what our
body is telling us, the earlierthe opportunity we have for
emotional regulation.
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So, if I'm beginning to feel alittle tightness in the top of
my stomach.
I know that.
That's my body telling me.
I'm anxious.
And that happens way before mybrain says oh, you know what?
You didn't write that email youdidn't text back that person,
whatever the thing is.
I'm kind of chewing on right.
(19:10):
My body is already telling meand so the sooner I have that
information and I can attune tomyself, I can calm and I can
self-soothe.
So I really work with teachingmy clients how to listen to
their bodies, how to noticewhat's happening, Because really
often when we've had traumaticexperiences we've learned to
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disconnect from our bodies.
And it is a necessary componentof getting through trauma.
Yes.
Yes, but how do we give theinformation to ourselves?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
that we are now safe.
We're no longer in fight orflight.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
One of our 4F responses.
One of our four F responses.
So if we can do the work toslow down and be with the body,
we're getting all of thatvaluable information about what
we're experiencing in this world.
But we also can kind of relateto it from the other direction.
Right, if we can calm the body,then we can calm the mind, then
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we can calm the anxiety.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
You know, the body, then we can calm the mind, then
we can calm the anxiety you knowand and we can, we can work
with the body in that capacity.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
So it's your partner.
It's your partner.
So the the first somatictherapist I worked with was this
thing called bioenergetics, andthat is the idea that we can
process any feeling, we canprocess any experience if we're
grounded.
So it's a lot of work of keyinginto what are our feet doing,
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what are our hands doing, andthere are certain postures,
certain positions that get usinto a state where our muscles
vibrate and move.
So if you've ever seen ananimal get chased, right and
then they get away at the lastsecond.
they do this little shake, andthat's a way that they are
down-regulating their nervoussystem.
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We, as humans, don't learn todo the shake, and so that stays
in the body, and so what I'mdoing is I am manually teaching
how to make the body do theshake to be able to get to some
of those release spaces.
Wow.
And what we see is, you know,sometimes muscular changes,
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sometimes changes in fascia,sometimes changes in posture,
definitely changes in breath,sometimes changes in vocal tone.
There's a lot of thingshappening in the body that give
us information about what isbeing stored there?
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Wow.
I was like lost in yourexplanation.
I love that.
Something that is occurring tome is that you are approaching
it, let's say, in somatictherapy with a client.
You're coming in through thatavenue, so to speak.
Something that I do is Iapproach it through an
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intergenerational approach.
So when a client comes in andthey sit with me, we do
something called a genogram.
I've never used that word insession, but we really unpack
the generation before and thegeneration before Right To see
how, I say, like thetrickle-down effect.
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That's how intergenerationaltrauma, but also
intergenerational strength, ispassed down.
Intergenerational trauma, butalso intergenerational strength
is passed down.
And so if we can get clear, ifwe can paint a really big
picture of what your family was,like we can then start to piece
together okay, what are thebeliefs you absorbed?
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What did you need that youdidn't get?
Why didn't you get it?
Maybe your parents wereimmigrants and they had no space
for that.
And it's not a blaming.
It's not ever judging orblaming, it's more an assessment
Like this is your experienceand in order to heal your
experience, you really need tobe honest about it.
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And a lot of times we want toprotect our parents or our
parental figures and we say theydid the best we could or they
did the best they could and theyknow they're great people and
we start backpedaling because wedon't want anybody to think bad
about them.
But it's really not about that.
It's more about being honestabout your complete experience
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and being honest about theircomplete experience.
Right, and that's okay.
They didn't have the bandwidth.
Maybe they were.
They just didn't know aboutthose emotional needs.
And it's okay to have greatparents and to also not have had
your needs met as a kiddoIncredibly common also I will
(23:54):
say yeah, needs met as a kiddoIncredibly common also.
I will say yeah.
And so while you're doing bodywork, I'm doing this
intergenerational work, sayinglike let's take a look at how we
got here, like what are thedominoes that fell?
And I think often that brings abig sense of relief, because
sometimes we think, oh, we'rejust this way or we're messed up
, or how come nobody else hasthis, or we think it's a
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singular experience.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
But if we look two generations back, it's very
similar, right, right, I mean, Ilove that, even where those two
things meet, right, like I haveme.
Grace has digestional issuesright.
My mom and dad both havedigestional issues.
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We know that the digestivetract is related to experiences
of trauma right.
And a grandparent of minefleeing, you know, World War II,
you know.
World War II.
And so when you look at certaingroups of people right who have
more commonality around, certaindiseases, certain markers for
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things like digestion.
Right, it's like oh, there wasa whole group of people who had
this large trauma together andthen all of the people after
that struggle with these foodintolerances these digestive
issues, higher rates of anxiety,depression, right.
(25:25):
So both of those things andwhere they meet it's so
interesting.
So really you can take the pathof intergenerational work.
You take the path of somatics.
We're going to the same place,they're going to intersect, and
it's where and how that feelsapproachable, how you want to
get there, which is so beautiful.
(25:46):
Right.
And again, I know I feel like Ijust keep saying the thing.
So you have to find thetherapist that really resounds
with you.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Do you think that all therapy is trauma work?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I've never thought of that question.
That seems so basic.
Why have I never thought ofthat?
No, yes, right, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
That's a harder question to answer than I
thought it would be Trauma issuch a big word for a lot of
people and it carries a certainweight or definition or
experience.
Sometimes people think traumais very, very big and extreme.
I define trauma, as this is nota clinical definition.
(26:36):
This is my own, just the way Iwork.
Yes a working definition.
Thank you, is that?
It's really anything thatoverloaded your nervous system.
It could be farting inkindergarten class and everybody
laughing.
It could be a boyfriend dumpingyou.
It could be a girlfrienddumping you.
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It could be a boss firing youin front of everybody.
It's just the large range ofthings that can overload our
nervous system, depending on ourcapacity, depending on where we
were, the protective factors wehad at the time.
So trauma I don't think is anaccusation.
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I don't think it's like you aretraumatized.
It's not a finger wagging thing, it's not a weight to put on
somebody.
It's more just a realizationthat we have these experiences
that happen to us and sometimesthey overwhelm us yeah, I you
(27:43):
know when you ask that question.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
I think the struggle is, while all therapy might not
be trauma therapy, it doesn'tmean you're not working on
trauma, if that makes senseright so you could have therapy
where you know you come in, yousay I'm just like this xyz
(28:04):
whatever that is right and youmaybe work on the behavior like
I don't want to be short with mymom on the phone when I get
frustrated and so you work onthat behavior.
If you are sitting with a traumatherapist, you will go to the
source of what does it feel like?
When has that happened before?
With me?
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Right, I do IFS or internalfamily systems.
What part is coming forward?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Why does?
Speaker 2 (28:30):
that feel protective.
Why does that feel needed?
So you could do the work onsomething that is related to a
trauma and not necessarily bedoing trauma work.
Right, you can just change thatbehavior or you can kind of dig
it up.
Go for it.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, yeah, okay, let's close it up.
What's one thing you wantlisteners to know about choosing
the right kind of therapy forthemselves?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, I would say that it takes a few
consultations.
So if you are looking for a newtherapist, a great resource is
psychology today orinclusivetherapistcom and check
out a few people who offer a fewdifferent types of therapy.
Right, we've highlighted some,but there is existential therapy
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, there is IFS, as I mentioned,gestalt somatic, Dance, therapy
Dance therapy, art therapy, asmany people as there are.
There is personality and theintersection of modality.
And you are worth interviewingmore than one therapist to find
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someone who resonates with you.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Lovely Grace.
Where can people find youonline or connect with your work
?
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, so I am part of Moving Parts Psychotherapy,
located in South Central Austin.
You can find me atmovingpartspsychotherapycom, or
shoot me an email at grace atmovingpartspsychotherapycom.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Is there a particular modality that you want to
remind listeners that you workwith?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I do IFS, internal family systems and something we
didn't talk about psychedelictherapy.
So I offer ketamine-assistedpsychotherapy.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yes, we'll have to get to that in the next one.
Yeah, exciting.
Thank you, Grace.
Thanks for having me.
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This show is about realconversations about what it
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today we're starting withdifferent modalities.
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How do you know what type oftherapy is right for you?
To unpack all of this, I'mjoined by my dear friend and
fellow therapist, grace Laurie,someone who brings so much
clarity, presence and heart tothe work of healing.
You're in for a treat.
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Grace is a deeply intuitive andcompassionate therapist who
brings a holistic, embodiedapproach to healing, rooted in
the belief that the therapeuticrelationship is the foundation
of transformation.
Grace creates a space of safety, curiosity and collaboration
where clients can explore theirinner landscapes and reconnect
with their inherent wisdom.
With training in internalfamily systems, gestalt therapy,
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somatic practices andketamine-assisted psychotherapy.
Grace supports clients inaligning their emotional,
physical and psychologicalselves.
Her work is anchored inanti-oppressive, trauma-informed
and neurodiversity-formingframeworks, making her a trusted
guide for neurodivergentindividuals, lgbtqia plus
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clients and those navigatingcomplex trauma, identity
exploration and non-traditionalrelationships.
Please welcome Grace Laurie.
Hi, hi, gracie I'm so happy tobe here.
I'm so happy you're here.
You're the best.
Should we get into it?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Let's do this.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Okay, so you joined us for the last episode and you
were so helpful and informativein helping us figure out what is
therapy and what is it not, andI thought we would continue and
talk about different types oftherapy, different modalities.
We alluded to that a little bitin the previous episode and I
(02:35):
thought you could help us unpackthe different type of
modalities that clients can lookfor and that they can just have
a good sense of what is outthere, how it can be helpful for
them.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense, I think, even what
is modality?
Oh yeah, yeah, let's rewind whatis modality Grace Right so all
of us therapists are trained indifferent theories and types of
therapy right.
We have body-based therapy.
We have thought-based therapy.
We are in schools of what wecall bottom up or top down,
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right?
So is it that we're going tochange your thoughts, to then
change how you interact and thenchange how your brain is
actually firing thoughts, or arewe going to focus on the bodily
sensation, to change what'shappening in the brain, that
then changes behavior, that thenchanges thoughts?
Right.
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And so different people mightfind different modalities or
ways of therapy easier or morealigned or more appropriate
maybe for what they're workingwith, their personality type,
their life experience, and Ithink that that's a big part,
right.
People maybe go to a therapistand say, oh, I hated that.
(03:56):
And then they don't try anothertherapist right when that is a
snapshot of how one therapistworks, maybe in one particular
style or with one modality.
I'm putting air quotes aroundthis and it's not a picture of
what therapy can be or whatother options maybe look like.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
As you're talking, I'm thinking about food.
Yeah thinking about food, yeah,and different types of food and
how a taco at one restaurant isnot the same as a taco at
another restaurant and is notindicative of all mexican food
right, or even right.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
If you were, say, hungry and you went to an indian
restaurant and you wanted ataco, you'd be like this is the
worst taco I've ever had.
Right even if it's reallyreally completely wrong yeah,
even if it's really really goodbiryani right, it's just not.
It's not a taco so I think thatthat's part of it.
(04:55):
Right, like what restaurantmade your taco is, maybe what
therapist it is.
If you're even getting a tacois the modality.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
That is so helpful.
Yeah, that is a really goodperspective.
How does a therapist choosetheir modalities?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, well, I can say for me and I'm sure some of
this rings true for you but abig part of it is what has
worked in my own life Right, abig part of it is what has
worked in my own life right,like I shared, that baby Grace
18, 19-year-old Grace went totherapy and laid down on the
couch and that was straight talktherapy and it didn't do much
(05:34):
for me.
So there were years betweenthat experience and when I
sought therapy again and when Iwent back and found kind of my
therapist, like my multiple-yeardeep relationship of my
therapist, like my multiple yeardeep relationship relational
healing therapist.
It was somatic therapy, it wasgestalt therapy, it was
bioenergetics right, thesethings that I had never heard,
(05:56):
those words before I didn't knowwhat we were doing.
I just knew that I feltdifferent, that I was in my body
, that I was deeply connectedwith this person, that that
things started to get easier andlighter.
And after doing that worksomething, some things kind of
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shifted in my life and Irealized that I wanted to do
this work with other people.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
That was the path that I knew right, like I was
like, of course, this is it.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
This is this is what works, and then, the more that I
have you know, done this workand tried other therapists the
things that have worked are thethings I get trained in, the
things that I was like, I cansee how that would work for
someone didn't work for me.
I'm not trained and that's andthat's it right, like there's a
right, like there's a lid forevery pot, right.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
I had a very similar experience with my therapist and
I will say let's dispel themyth that therapists don't need
therapists.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Oh my gosh, we need them, maybe the most.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
What do you think it is about?
What do you think about that?
What are your thoughts aroundtherapists needing therapy?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah, I mean, we hold the container for so many
people, right?
I think about this often.
I think about this a lot if I'mgoing to be out of office,
right?
Like that's one hour of ourclient's week.
But, for us.
We're seeing five, six, seven30, you know, a good day.
(07:32):
Yeah, you know.
So if you think of holding thatcontainer for that many hours a
day, right, helping peoplereally get into what they're
struggling with, right,sometimes the worst things that
have happened to them in theirlife we hold space for
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experiences.
Maybe some of those experiences, there's so much empathy there,
that right, that it it'spainful to hear people that you
love go through things like thatright, and so taking care of us
is making sure that we're alsoa clean container that we're not
coming to those experienceswith our own pain, because we
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need to be able to support ourclients, so I would say that
it's a really important resourcefor me in my life.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
I agree, I agree, I'm right there with you.
I almost think it's a moralmandate.
Yeah, that we be clear enoughso that we can be present with
our clients, and we do walk thewalk.
Grace and I for sure walk thewalk.
I think it's important that,whatever healer you're going
(08:52):
with, that they are involved intheir own healing journey that
they are introspective, thatthey are learning and growing
and trying and they're reallydynamic because that dynamism
will come into the room and thatdynamism will.
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They will either know how youfeel as a client or they will be
able to relate, or they will beable to just hit that point of
empathy faster.
You're not.
A client is not just a numberever.
No, it's deeply personal and,as a client signs up with a
(09:38):
therapist, that is personal.
It's also personal for thetherapist.
Yeah, personal for thetherapist.
Yeah, we are accepting your,your story with with a lot of
love and compassion, but it isdefinitely something that we
it's a two-person sign updefinitely.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, it has to be the right fit on both sides, and
that's the thing is know therewill always be more clients.
So, if someone isn't the rightfit, and there will always be
more therapists, most definitely, if it isn't the right fit on
either side.
Find someone that is it's soworth it.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yes, it's so worth it and it's not bad.
No, but therapist feelings willnot get hurt.
No, no, not at all, no will notget hurt?
No, no, not at all.
No, we want you to.
We want you to find somebodywho you will connect with and
truly be able to invest inyourself.
Right, that's I mean, that'swhy we're in the biz.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So the modality for me also.
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That is how I learn to adopt.
I guess my different modalitiesas a therapist is because I
experienced them as a client.
I thought, oh, this is veryeffective.
I really like this.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
What are you, what modalities are you using these
days?
I mean, we went to schooltogether and we've done some
supervision and things like thattogether, but when you know a
therapist right, you know themeven if you know them
professionally.
You're not their client right,like I don't know what being in
the room is like with you.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
That is true, I use a lot of it's called
person-centered therapy.
So I really that's relationaltherapy.
My the healing is based in therelationship, in the
relationship, and I also do alot of other modalities to help
support that.
(11:31):
So, whether it's parts work,which is akin to IFS work, or
somatic work, which is akin tosomatic experiencing, so I try
to support the person-centeredwith things that are
action-based.
So person-centered isn't veryaction-oriented and, as you know
, I am an action-oriented person.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I'm nodding my head furiously.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
So while I absolutely want to center the client's
experience and their fulfillmentand their becoming, I also want
to give them something to grabonto while they're doing that,
and so I do a lot of um,listener, this is not a modality
.
I do a lot of drawing.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
To be clear, art therapy is a modality Well.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I do art, I do expressive arts, for sure, but I
do, um, I use myself as a tool.
A lot in the room, I get up, Imove around a tool.
A lot in the room, I get up, Imove around, I move my body with
intention.
I draw certain things for theclient.
I do whatever it takes to helpthe client embody this new idea
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or feeling.
So I'm very active.
It's definitely not sit andtell me your story only.
It's sit and tell me your storyand let's do all these other
things.
So I wanted to touch on a fewof the major modalities that
listeners may be coming acrossin articles.
(13:06):
Or do people still havemagazines?
Grace, probably not Articles.
We'll stick with articles andsocial media.
Let's start with CBT.
What does that mean?
Yeah, cognitive-based therapy.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
So when we earlier were talking about top-down,
that is a top-down therapy.
It starts with your thoughts,so the idea is that you
challenge thoughts that you havebeen having, and your thoughts
create certain neural pathwaysin your brain.
So, if we challenge thoseautomatic thoughts and replace
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them with new thoughts we'reactually changing the way your
brain is connecting neuralpathways.
I practice this way rarely.
I would say I am more of abottom-up therapist, but CBT is,
I would say, the most commonform of therapy.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
It's also evidence-based.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
It is very evidence-based.
It's a structure that hashomework, it has worksheets.
You do journaling prompts, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
It sounds like school .
Speaker 2 (14:20):
There is a lot.
It's like a lot of learning.
If people like a lot ofstructure.
They tend to like CBT is myexperience.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
But if you are an intellectualizer, sometimes CBT
can miss the mark a little bitin my experience, but if you are
an, intellectualizer.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Sometimes cbt can miss the mark a little bit in my
experience.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
So I like it as a, as a auxiliary, yeah same.
I'm not a fan of it as astraight up yeah but I can see
where there's a space oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
And sometimes you meet someone who's so good right
at their modality that you'relike not my lane, but for people
who need that oh my gosh I'msending them over there.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
that is true.
That is true sometimes.
Yeah, that is so true.
I don't I wouldn't say that Ipractice cbt specifically, but
when somebody, when a clinician,really knows that modality and
has worked with it for so long,they adapt it and sometimes it
becomes this other being and sodoing CBT with Mr Bill David I
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don't know, I've had Bill Davidin my mind all day XYZ clinician
that can be a completelyamazing experience.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, I mean, and that so much of that speaks to
right, how relational therapy islike our point before is that
if someone is lit up by theconcept of cbt, that therapist
is lit up by that right, they'rebringing that passion to it
right, as opposed to if I wasforced to only practice in that
way.
I'd be like there's a worksheetright, like I probably wouldn't
come to it with the sameenthusiasm, that same kind of
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spark Right, I wouldn't be in myflow in that work.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yes, yes, that was a big reason I decided to go into
private practice was because Iwanted to have a lot of leeway
in the modality that I practicedListeners sometimes when
clinicians work at certainagencies or in different
practices, they are not mandated.
(16:22):
What would you say?
They are encouraged.
They are trained, trained inone modality, and so everybody
coming through that agency isdoing CBT work.
Right.
And I didn't think that thatwas necessarily the place for me
.
I needed some more latitude.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
But plenty of places just focus on one type of
modality.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Cat is what we would call an eclectic therapist.
Eclectic she has many tools inher toolbox.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yes, I think it's so fun.
I think it's so fun to be ableto meet the client where they
are in terms of age, heritage,culture, sexual orientation,
anything, religion, whatever itis.
Some things will be applicableand some things won't, and I
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love creating metaphors anddifferent experiences that land
on them and that matter to them.
If I'm treating somebody who isfrom where I'm from South Texas
we have our own little languagebecause we grew up in the same
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area and we just have differentpoints of connection.
If I'm treating somebody fromSouthern California, that's not
going to work.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Totally yeah.
I weirdly get a lot of peoplefrom New York which is where I'm
from yes Listeners, yes, yes, I.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I'm from yes Listeners, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I'm from Staten Island, shout out, out, out, and
I don't think I have an accent,I don't think that I, I don't
think you would know that aboutme.
And then I get clients who arelike oh yeah, I'm from insert
and it's amazing, I'm like youjust find it.
How did you find me?
How did you find me?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, how did you know your energies?
There's no way of knowing Deedoo, dee doo.
Okay, let's go to somatic work.
You've been talking aboutsomatic work.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Give us a little more insight.
So somatic work is work in thebody.
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
The somatic theory that I work from right is the
idea that your body knows youremotions before your mind does
right.
So our experiences, ouremotions, show up in the body in
a number of ways, and the morein tune we are with what our
body is telling us, the earlierthe opportunity we have for
emotional regulation.
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So, if I'm beginning to feel alittle tightness in the top of
my stomach.
I know that.
That's my body telling me.
I'm anxious.
And that happens way before mybrain says oh, you know what?
You didn't write that email youdidn't text back that person,
whatever the thing is.
I'm kind of chewing on right.
(19:10):
My body is already telling meand so the sooner I have that
information and I can attune tomyself, I can calm and I can
self-soothe.
So I really work with teachingmy clients how to listen to
their bodies, how to noticewhat's happening, Because really
often when we've had traumaticexperiences we've learned to
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disconnect from our bodies.
And it is a necessary componentof getting through trauma.
Yes.
Yes, but how do we give theinformation to ourselves?
Speaker 1 (19:42):
that we are now safe.
We're no longer in fight orflight.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
One of our 4F responses.
One of our four F responses.
So if we can do the work toslow down and be with the body,
we're getting all of thatvaluable information about what
we're experiencing in this world.
But we also can kind of relateto it from the other direction.
Right, if we can calm the body,then we can calm the mind, then
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we can calm the anxiety.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
You know, the body, then we can calm the mind, then
we can calm the anxiety you knowand and we can, we can work
with the body in that capacity.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
So it's your partner.
It's your partner.
So the the first somatictherapist I worked with was this
thing called bioenergetics, andthat is the idea that we can
process any feeling, we canprocess any experience if we're
grounded.
So it's a lot of work of keyinginto what are our feet doing,
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what are our hands doing, andthere are certain postures,
certain positions that get usinto a state where our muscles
vibrate and move.
So if you've ever seen ananimal get chased, right and
then they get away at the lastsecond.
they do this little shake, andthat's a way that they are
down-regulating their nervoussystem.
(21:02):
We, as humans, don't learn todo the shake, and so that stays
in the body, and so what I'mdoing is I am manually teaching
how to make the body do theshake to be able to get to some
of those release spaces.
Wow.
And what we see is, you know,sometimes muscular changes,
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sometimes changes in fascia,sometimes changes in posture,
definitely changes in breath,sometimes changes in vocal tone.
There's a lot of thingshappening in the body that give
us information about what isbeing stored there?
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Wow.
I was like lost in yourexplanation.
I love that.
Something that is occurring tome is that you are approaching
it, let's say, in somatictherapy with a client.
You're coming in through thatavenue, so to speak.
Something that I do is Iapproach it through an
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intergenerational approach.
So when a client comes in andthey sit with me, we do
something called a genogram.
I've never used that word insession, but we really unpack
the generation before and thegeneration before Right To see
how, I say, like thetrickle-down effect.
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That's how intergenerationaltrauma, but also
intergenerational strength, ispassed down.
Intergenerational trauma, butalso intergenerational strength
is passed down.
And so if we can get clear, ifwe can paint a really big
picture of what your family was,like we can then start to piece
together okay, what are thebeliefs you absorbed?
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What did you need that youdidn't get?
Why didn't you get it?
Maybe your parents wereimmigrants and they had no space
for that.
And it's not a blaming.
It's not ever judging orblaming, it's more an assessment
Like this is your experienceand in order to heal your
experience, you really need tobe honest about it.
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And a lot of times we want toprotect our parents or our
parental figures and we say theydid the best we could or they
did the best they could and theyknow they're great people and
we start backpedaling because wedon't want anybody to think bad
about them.
But it's really not about that.
It's more about being honestabout your complete experience
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and being honest about theircomplete experience.
Right, and that's okay.
They didn't have the bandwidth.
Maybe they were.
They just didn't know aboutthose emotional needs.
And it's okay to have greatparents and to also not have had
your needs met as a kiddoIncredibly common also I will
(23:54):
say yeah, needs met as a kiddoIncredibly common also.
I will say yeah.
And so while you're doing bodywork, I'm doing this
intergenerational work, sayinglike let's take a look at how we
got here, like what are thedominoes that fell?
And I think often that brings abig sense of relief, because
sometimes we think, oh, we'rejust this way or we're messed up
, or how come nobody else hasthis, or we think it's a
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singular experience.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
But if we look two generations back, it's very
similar, right, right, I mean, Ilove that, even where those two
things meet, right, like I haveme.
Grace has digestional issuesright.
My mom and dad both havedigestional issues.
(24:40):
We know that the digestivetract is related to experiences
of trauma right.
And a grandparent of minefleeing, you know, World War II,
you know.
World War II.
And so when you look at certaingroups of people right who have
more commonality around, certaindiseases, certain markers for
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things like digestion.
Right, it's like oh, there wasa whole group of people who had
this large trauma together andthen all of the people after
that struggle with these foodintolerances these digestive
issues, higher rates of anxiety,depression, right.
(25:25):
So both of those things andwhere they meet it's so
interesting.
So really you can take the pathof intergenerational work.
You take the path of somatics.
We're going to the same place,they're going to intersect, and
it's where and how that feelsapproachable, how you want to
get there, which is so beautiful.
(25:46):
Right.
And again, I know I feel like Ijust keep saying the thing.
So you have to find thetherapist that really resounds
with you.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Do you think that all therapy is trauma work?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I've never thought of that question.
That seems so basic.
Why have I never thought ofthat?
No, yes, right, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
That's a harder question to answer than I
thought it would be Trauma issuch a big word for a lot of
people and it carries a certainweight or definition or
experience.
Sometimes people think traumais very, very big and extreme.
I define trauma, as this is nota clinical definition.
(26:36):
This is my own, just the way Iwork.
Yes a working definition.
Thank you, is that?
It's really anything thatoverloaded your nervous system.
It could be farting inkindergarten class and everybody
laughing.
It could be a boyfriend dumpingyou.
It could be a girlfrienddumping you.
(26:57):
It could be a boss firing youin front of everybody.
It's just the large range ofthings that can overload our
nervous system, depending on ourcapacity, depending on where we
were, the protective factors wehad at the time.
So trauma I don't think is anaccusation.
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I don't think it's like you aretraumatized.
It's not a finger wagging thing, it's not a weight to put on
somebody.
It's more just a realizationthat we have these experiences
that happen to us and sometimesthey overwhelm us yeah, I you
(27:43):
know when you ask that question.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
I think the struggle is, while all therapy might not
be trauma therapy, it doesn'tmean you're not working on
trauma, if that makes senseright so you could have therapy
where you know you come in, yousay I'm just like this xyz
(28:04):
whatever that is right and youmaybe work on the behavior like
I don't want to be short with mymom on the phone when I get
frustrated and so you work onthat behavior.
If you are sitting with a traumatherapist, you will go to the
source of what does it feel like?
When has that happened before?
With me?
(28:24):
Right, I do IFS or internalfamily systems.
What part is coming forward?
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Why does?
Speaker 2 (28:30):
that feel protective.
Why does that feel needed?
So you could do the work onsomething that is related to a
trauma and not necessarily bedoing trauma work.
Right, you can just change thatbehavior or you can kind of dig
it up.
Go for it.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Yeah, yeah, okay, let's close it up.
What's one thing you wantlisteners to know about choosing
the right kind of therapy forthemselves?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, I would say that it takes a few
consultations.
So if you are looking for a newtherapist, a great resource is
psychology today orinclusivetherapistcom and check
out a few people who offer a fewdifferent types of therapy.
Right, we've highlighted some,but there is existential therapy
(29:14):
, there is IFS, as I mentioned,gestalt somatic, Dance, therapy
Dance therapy, art therapy, asmany people as there are.
There is personality and theintersection of modality.
And you are worth interviewingmore than one therapist to find
(29:34):
someone who resonates with you.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Lovely Grace.
Where can people find youonline or connect with your work
?
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, so I am part of Moving Parts Psychotherapy,
located in South Central Austin.
You can find me atmovingpartspsychotherapycom, or
shoot me an email at grace atmovingpartspsychotherapycom.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Is there a particular modality that you want to
remind listeners that you workwith?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I do IFS, internal family systems and something we
didn't talk about psychedelictherapy.
So I offer ketamine-assistedpsychotherapy.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yes, we'll have to get to that in the next one.
Yeah, exciting.
Thank you, Grace.
Thanks for having me.
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