In this episode of the Dogs Per Mile podcast, I interview my husband, Ed, about his journey into running, his experiences with training for the Brooklyn Half Marathon, and the dynamics of being married to a runner. We discuss Ed's athletic background, the challenges and joys of running, the importance of support systems, and how they balance their individual goals with their shared love for running. Ed shares his thoughts on what it means to be a runner, the significance of community, and his personal goals for the upcoming race.
As running partners in life, Ed and I explore the unique impact of running on our relationship, where the track becomes a mental escape and a source of personal fulfillment. We dive into the dynamics of supporting each other's aspirations in the running community, from logistics on race day to combining our love for travel with exciting races. These shared experiences highlight the importance of aligning personal interests and how running has played a pivotal role in enriching our lives.
Immerse yourself in the vibrant world of running identity and community inclusivity. We celebrate the diversity in the running community and challenge misconceptions about who qualifies as a "runner." From personalized training plans to eclectic music and quirky running fuel, we share our journey toward the Brooklyn Half Marathon. Stay connected with our running adventures and find joy in every step alongside our furry running companions, Yogi and Maple, on Instagram.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I want to fall back in love with running.
I hope that over the course ofthe next 16 weeks I find all the
things I used to love aboutrunning and be able to recapture
that.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hey, runners, you're listening to Dogs Per Mile,
where we're making running workfor your life, not the other way
around.
I'm Bridget, with over 13 yearsof running experience and
approximately 4,892 dogs seen onmy run.
I'm now here to help you findyour own path to running
happiness.
Ready to run on your own terms.
Let's get going.
(00:32):
Hey runners, welcome back tothe Dogs Per Mile podcast.
We have a very special episodetoday.
I have a guest here who has beenon this running journey with me
since I decided to startrunning over 13 years ago, when
(00:54):
I made a dumb decision to gofrom a 5k to a half marathon,
who has heard every story, seenevery tear, almost gone to
almost every single brunch andhas never missed a race that I
have done Not one.
You've never missed a race.
That would be my wonderfulhusband, ed.
(01:14):
I asked my personal Instagramfollowers if they wanted to hear
about Ed's story about signingup for the Brooklyn Half
Marathon, and they wanted Ed.
It was a resounding yes of moreEd.
More Ed in their lives, which Ican agree.
More Ed in your life.
So today I'm going to introduceyou to Ed, my husband, and we're
(01:37):
going to learn a little bitabout his running history, his
athletic history, a little bit.
What it's like to be married tosomebody who is a crazy runner
and kind of his plan to trainfor the Brooklyn Half Marathon,
someone who's not a typicalrunner and doesn't plan to
become a typical runner ever.
So we're going to kind of gointo that.
(01:58):
But I hope you guys enjoy, Ihope you take something away
from this and we are going toget started.
So for listeners, meeting Edfor the first time, this guy
over here normally has a beardIf you're seeing a video of this
, this guy over here, what isyour athletic background?
(02:18):
What did you play growing up?
What sports were your interests?
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Sure, none of them were running based, that's for
sure.
I grew up predominantly playingbaseball and positions that
don't involve running.
So pitcher, catcher, first basePlayed football, basketball,
hockey to different extents.
Got into track in high school,but only in the field section.
So javelin, discus, hammer,chopput, and then sometime in my
(02:46):
mid-20s I decided to startplaying soccer, which was a
bizarre experience but ended upbeing one of the best things
I've ever done.
So at the moment now I play nosports, which is crazy to think
about, but, as of yesterday,restarting my running journey
for maybe the fourth or fifthtime.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
So you said, restarting your running journey,
maybe the fourth or fifth time.
So you said restarting yourrunning journey.
Whatever brought you intostarting a running journey,
seeing as all of your sportsnever had a running aspect to
them or um, I think it was rightbefore our wedding, so this
would have been 13 years ago.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I think we're both on a journey to be better physical
versions of ourself, and youhad really gotten into running
at that point and I realizedthat this is a great way to a
spend more time with you.
But b was something that, uh,we could connect on and we did a
(03:43):
.
God, this is the most 2012thing I think we could have done
.
We did a color run 5k in EastHartford, connecticut.
I remember in what I thoughtwere running sneakers.
In hindsight they weren't.
I think, they were like a pairof Adidas that I got at the
outlets that resembled runningshoes outlets that resembled
(04:11):
running shoes but no, that waslike my first foray into running
outside of the gym class mileevery year.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Your first one was the color run, 5k.
What was your next run?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
did I jump right to the half marathon?
I think I might have you pull abridget.
I did so the hogsback halfmarathon right after we got
married.
Um, yeah, I was.
Yeah, I was training in betweenretail shifts working at apple,
so either going out in themorning before my 1 pm shift or
(04:41):
running at night after my 6 amshift, running the West Hartford
Reservoir, the same 2.2 mileloop Dozens, if not hundreds of
times.
But yeah, this was the days ofand this is something you've
touched on in past episodesusing the Nike Run Club training
plans.
(05:02):
I had a Nike running watch backwhen those existed.
That thing actually ruled, Ilove.
I wore it like 24 seven.
That was just my normal watchbefore smartwatches.
But yeah, so yeah, I think thesecond race was a half marathon
and then now that haskickstarted this weird four year
(05:23):
cycle where I I will run a halfmarathon, say I'll never do
that again, take three to fouryears off and then be right in
the same spot.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
So we're right in the same spot.
Looked at your watch, noticedthat your credit card was
charged for the Brooklyn HalfMarathon lottery and, not
knowing if it was a charge forme getting into the lottery you
(05:51):
getting into the lottery or usboth getting into the lottery.
Because, if you don't know, theBrooklyn Half Marathon lottery
is much like a London Marathon,chicago Marathon, new York City
Marathon lottery, where you putyour name in and you don't know
if you're actually going to getto run it.
They pick a certain number ofpeople, so you don't know if
you're going to run it or not.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yeah, I think the initial reaction when I saw them
on my watch as we're gettingready for our weekly 530 workout
class was actually very excited, I think.
I think the thing that waskeeping me from getting into a
race was the thought that if I'mgonna put in 16 weeks of
(06:36):
training, I'm gonna do a race.
That is kind of cool.
I and don't get me wrong like Ilove running rock the parkway.
It is still my favorite race,it's your favorite race.
But it's not worth training for16 weeks for me.
But getting into the brooklynhalf marathon, a race that
neither of us have doneobviously you've done a
(06:57):
different brooklyn half marathon, um, and having that experience
at one of my favorite citieswas very exciting.
Honestly, there's still likethis, like underlying feel,
(07:18):
feeling of like terror, notbecause I don't think I can do
this, but it's because it is alot of hard work and because
it's not something I do all thetime, like you do, I can't
anticipate what the results areand that for my brain that's a
very large, you know, gap tofill.
So, uh, currently day two of mytraining plan of 16 weeks I'm
excited.
I think it's the thing I needto push me.
(07:41):
I need some sort of carrot inmy life to kind of train.
I can't train for nothing and Idon't really have anything big
coming up.
So I think this was what Ineeded and if the next 16 weeks
go well, we'd have like threeother races that are potentially
on our calendars for this year.
And maybe this is the thing thatmakes running stick and not be
(08:02):
in every four year journey likethe Olympics.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
You'd like to be better than the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I'd like to be more consistent than the Olympics.
I don't think I can be betterthan the Olympics.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Your running journey sounds like you want to be more
consistent than the Olympics.
So how would you describe yourrelationship with running over
the years?
It sounds like it kind of comesand goes in seasons and, as I
know because I you know, we'remarried and I live with you and
I see you a lot it's kind ofstrange You're always here.
(08:38):
It's weird.
I don't know how that happened.
So I want to know more abouthow those seasons of running
have happened and what some ofthe catalysts that have made you
excited to run, and then someof the things that have kind of
maybe made you less excited towant to get out the door,
because I know there are seasonsof me, for me, that maybe not
(09:00):
want to run, and I think a lotof people can relate to why it's
harder to get out the door,even if running is fun for them.
So I'd love to hear more aboutthat.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Sure, so I think my relationship with running is
strenuous.
It's because I am not a.
I don't have the body of arunner, even when I'm fairly
deep into a training plan.
I don't think that's ever goingto be me.
The seasons part really comesto what I think is going to be
(09:30):
best for my overall health.
Sometimes that's strengthtraining and that's where I
really put months in focusing injust the gym and not doing an
ounce of cardio.
As I get closer to 40, I think,uh, hybrid training is going to
be my future.
Um, so, and honestly, this isthe longest period of time since
(09:53):
2020, where I stayed healthylong enough.
So, no back injuries, kneeinjuries, hip injuries, um, so
that's helping me start runningagain, because the thing that
shuts the door for me is enoughupside for me.
In those seasons where I'mgoing to like get out the door
(10:30):
and I push through, where youbecause you are a runner and
this is the thing that you enjoymost you'll do that Me, I will
say nope, not today.
I'll see how I feel next week.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Try again.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yeah, but that being said, when I am in a running
season it's very easy and one ofmy favorite things to do is to
go out and go for a run.
I will say that there aredifferent issues living in
Kansas City in season comparedto the last time I was fairly
(11:05):
into running, which is living inPortland.
I think that is going to be thehardest hurdle for this
training cycle and kind ofgetting back into running but
having support from both you asa, as a partner, but also kind
of a community that we've builtwith our friends who are also
restarting their learningjourneys or finding what running
(11:28):
means to them has been helpfuland that type of support, even
if it's very much in thebackground, is helping.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Oh, good, good.
Yeah, I think defining yoursupport levels from a variety of
different people, whether it bepartners or friends, is really,
really important in making surethat you have the right
language from different peopleand you're hearing it from all
angles, because I know it's easyto drown out a spouse because
(11:56):
it's who you live with.
But if you hear it from afriend, you're like that's a
great idea.
And you're like the spouse islike what the fuck?
I just said that.
And they're like but yeah, butthey said it better than you.
It's like all right, well, okay, cool.
So what keeps bringing you backto running?
Each time you keep coming backto it.
So what are some of the thingsyou love about running?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
When you get back to it, when you're in the season
where it is enjoyable, it's anopportunity to get out of the
house, not spend money which isvery hard to do and actually not
(12:34):
have to think or not be able tothink about anything when it
comes to work, when it comes towhat's going on at home, the
dogs, anything like that.
It's the 35 minutes to two hourswhere, outside of like trying
not to get hit by cars, prettymuch I can zone out and my brain
doesn't do that very often, soI think that's a big thing for
me.
The other thing is, honestly, II like how I feel after I run.
(12:59):
I think there's this, it's theconcept of runners high I I do
definitely see a difference inmy own mental health, my
personality, things like that.
When I am running it's a very,it feels like a very big
accomplishment that you don'tget necessarily from, say, like
weightlifting or playing pickupsports things like that.
(13:19):
There there's definitely alarger sense of accomplishment.
I think that once I start tohit new paces or distances or
just ending a run feeling good,it's the fuel I need for the
next set of runs.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I think it really builds a habit and a routine
easier than anything else.
So a couple good runs will fuelme for my next few runs.
So I think that's that's kindof what keeps me interested in
my seasons of running, and why Ikeep coming back is, over the
(14:01):
course of a couple years of notrunning, I'll miss that feeling
and it's just like a reminder,just like anything else, that
this is something that Iactually enjoy when I'm in it.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Well, obviously, in case you didn't know, we're
married, we are.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I have a piece of paper that says so.
I haven't lost it yet, and weare sitting on the same couch.
Obviously, if you do see a clipof this, we're not in the same
video.
We're at different videos onthe same couch, three feet from
each other gets deeper, deeperinvolved or into the running
community.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
what has that been like for you as somebody who
never expected to be on thefield portion of the track and
field community?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
yeah, um, for someone who and you might tell this if
you don't know me personally uh,someone who's built like an nfl
lineman.
I know so much about running.
I know every training, coachingdistances, the types of runs.
This has become just a a pointof knowledge in my life you mean
(15:21):
, everyone doesn't know that?
no, and we've had thisconversation a ton that there's
a lot that goes into running fora sport that, on its basis, is
literally a single thing.
But yeah, being married to arunner and someone whose life
has, for a substantial amount oftime, like revolved around
(15:44):
running, it's been interestingbecause sometimes I have been a
runner with you.
Sometimes I will see you go offat six in the morning for a run
and go right back to sleep, andthat's fine.
Um, I think for me.
I've had to learn what you,what runners, need in terms of
support, both physically andmentally.
(16:06):
I get to be your functioningbrain when you get to turn yours
off on a run, so I'll knowwhere you are at any given time.
I'll, you know, get things readyfor you when I know you're
coming home, that's true, andwhen it comes to race day, I am
(16:27):
the logistics person.
My job is to get you to thestart line in a good as mood as
possible, and then I take careof everything else.
I have your bag with yoursweats and your sandals for
after the race.
I know where the parking is, Iknow where the porta potties are
, I know how early we have toget there, and it's never as
early as you say it is.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
It's just like every airport, correct?
Speaker 1 (16:52):
But also understanding that running is
hard.
It's a very mentally taskingthing, and being able to know
where your head's at after a runbecause I've been there
occasionally has also helped.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
So that's been the biggest thing.
I think the nice takeaway fromthis race training we're talking
about the Brooklyn HalfMarathon in May is I love
traveling.
Yes, you don't love traveling,Not really.
What's the idea?
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I like the concept of traveling.
I would like some house forsomeone just to like.
Like the sims, pick me up andjust put me right in the
location.
I don't like the process ofeverything else, hotels,
airports I don't want to do anyof that.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
No, thank you so I think running has allowed us to
do two things that we both enjoy, while having a small sacrifice
for the other.
So I like to travel, you liketo run.
Let's meet in the middle ofthis Venn Diagon.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
I'm forced to travel, you're forced to run.
Yeah, we're each forced to doone thing we're not enjoying.
Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
And A.
It's helped us see a lot of thecountry, which is very cool.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yep 100% and a.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
it's helped us see a lot of the country, which is
very cool, yeah, but also it'ssomething that I think both of
us need in terms of motivationwhich is we have this big like
shiny thing on our calendar.
Yeah, and that's what.
That's what gets us out thedoor in the morning and you've
talked about this on otherepisodes it's if you're not
training for a race.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
It's much harder to go out consistently three, four
days a week for your runs,especially if you're training
for a race that's exciting,you're excited for.
That's going to get you out thedoor much faster than if it's a
race that you, it's your local5K, it's much harder.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I think, and so for we kind of touched on it like
what my version of running?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
is.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I'm very much a destination race person yeah,
your adventure you need I, yeahI.
If I'm going to sign up for arace or sign up for a lottery, I
want to have something else togo along with that, and that's
either a new city a city I love,like new New York, chicago,
boston, something that could bevery outdoorsy.
(19:10):
We live in the Midwest, we livein Kansas City.
There's not a ton of tremendousnature around, so races that
are in national parks and theNorthwest and Northeast, those
are very cool to me and I thinkthat's the type of thing that I
need to go out and run.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
So how has my running influenced your own journey
with running?
I know you've touched on alittle bit.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
That's a really interesting question because
it's done both the two opposites.
It's caused me not to ever wantto run, because I know how hard
it is and how much effort youput into it, but at the same
time, I'll see you come backfrom a run and be very proud.
I want that feeling.
There's definitely times wherethere's a FOMO about running.
(20:00):
When it comes to you, so you'veimpacted me in that way of this
is something that I could bedoing and feeling the same way,
and I really don't have asimilar output to do that.
But yeah, so that's kind of howyour journey has influenced
mine.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I like that.
I like to be impactful inanything I do.
Could you give other partnerswho get by some chance pulled
into their significant other'srunning adventures whether or
not they get pulled intoactually running, because
sometimes they do not want torun or they just get pulled into
a vacation that turns into arace or a run Sure what advice
(20:38):
do you have for them?
Speaker 1 (20:41):
This is going to be weird.
Give a shit.
Going to be weird.
Give a shit, like if yourpartner is a runner and they
want to involve you in theirjourney, whether that is
training, racing, going todifferent races expos things
like that.
Just be there for them, give ashit.
I very, very much enjoy takingon the role of like like race
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husband.
I hold the backpack.
I like track you throughout thecourse, try to find you like as
much as I can.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Some races are feasible, some aren't you like
to find every spot you like to.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
If my parents are there, you will get them
breakfast yeah, yeah, I want tomake sure that if I'm not
running, I'm making the race aseasy as possible for you.
So all you have to do is getthere and run.
But, yeah, just be invested.
I think that's a biggertakeaway, for anything that our
(21:38):
partners do is some level ofinvestment.
Care about it.
But if running is not your thingand you are, and you are living
with a runner have an interestin it, be open to learning about
it, be that like year, becausethe one thing, like I said
earlier, it's like those areanywhere from a half hour to two
hours where I'm just with myown, I'm with my own head, which
(22:01):
, for better or worse, buthaving having the ability to
talk to you after a run of allthe things that went through.
And we do this, we, we do likea debrief after every run,
because sometimes, if we'rerunning together, we're talking,
but if I'm going for a run orif you're going for a run, we,
we have a bunch of stuff that wewant to talk about afterwards.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Things I've seen and done or need to tell you that
happened right and I so.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
I think that's the like, just like, be active, be
interested, give a shit I mean,give a shit just works in
general for partners.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Just give a shit, that's it.
So you had talked about you'rebuilt like a linebacker and I
have mentioned that I in no waylook like I should be a runner
or have the height and finesseof the average runner.
What is your take on the quoteunquote runner identity and do
(23:01):
you consider yourself a runner?
Speaker 1 (23:02):
I do consider myself a runner.
I think I.
I think there are points in myseasons and in my journeys of
running where I feel more like arunner.
I do consider myself a runner.
I think there are points in myseasons and in my journeys of
running where I feel more like arunner than others.
But if I'm putting on myrunning sneakers and I'm
starting my watch, I'm a runner.
I think that's the thing thatthe running community has gotten
a lot better at, but it stillhas a long way to go.
(23:25):
I think there's a lot of goodinfluencers out there that are
making running more accessiblefor people who aren't the
typical runner?
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Are you seeing that more in certain genders or like?
Are you seeing that more maleor female or non-binary genders
in particular?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Sure, I think for men it's catching up.
I think for women it got therea little bit sooner.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I think it's was it Kelly Roberts?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Kelly Roberts was one of the earlier ones that I
noticed.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Yeah.
So I think back in 2018, 2019,there was definitely like a
bigger push for inclusion forwomen, and that came from
running brands as well.
You're starting to see it onInstagram.
There were communities beingbuilt, things like that.
There were definitely less,there were less men in that
(24:20):
space, which is fine.
I don't think we need to takeup more space, but I think more
recently, there have been acouple influential, influential
runners who have taken the, thelead, the torch, the baton and
said running for everyone I'mgonna like kind of showcase my
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journey with it and that's beenhelpful.
But I think the thing aboutrunning that comes to us not
being the typical runnerphysically is the community is
harder to embrace and this mightbe a local thing to us.
But I think there's always thislike notoriety around run clubs
(25:07):
that they aren't necessarilyinclusive from both a cultural
standpoint but also from a pace,openness perspective.
So I think there's definitelyspace there and I applaud those
who are able to go to run clubsand be the back of the pack
runner and still find their,their community there.
(25:29):
But I think there's definitelystill a need to grow that.
But yeah, I think if you'reputting on your sneakers, you're
starting your watch.
You are a runner.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I absolutely agree.
What has been your experienceat races or in the running space
in general?
Speaker 1 (25:45):
It's actually one of the few places where I don't
feel perceived in any sort ofway Like I stand out in a crowd,
like I'm six foot three, 315pounds.
At the moment I stand out, Inever feel particularly like
singled out or anything in therunning community.
(26:05):
Um, if anything, I might getmore positive feedback from
people whether or not it comesfrom a great place.
That's up to them.
Um doing great buddy yeah,those words of encouragement,
like they feel like it feelsmore of an obligation, like good
for you, man.
You're putting your body on theline to do this, but no, it's
(26:29):
weird.
I think that maybe it's becauseI I at least look quasi
athletic?
That it's not like I don'tthink it.
I make it look like a big deal,but then, as we said, I haven't
run a race in four years, sowho knows?
But yeah, it's an interestingidea, but I personally and maybe
(26:55):
this is just my own blindness Ihaven't really noticed anything
for myself.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
That's good.
What do you think of therunning community, both in
person and online Because Ithink those are two important
spaces to mention could dobetter to welcome people who
don't fit both the physical butalso the pace runner mold,
because I think those are twothings, because I think a lot of
people do assume if you look acertain way, you must be running
(27:20):
a certain pace, and I thinkit's very interesting that
you'll see people who are veryhave the typical runner's body
and then they run aquote-unquote slow pace at
13-minute miles and I'm going touse quotes because it's still a
good pace, whatever you say andthen there are people who look
larger and are able to bust out7-minute miles.
So how do you think that we canbe better at both of those
(27:44):
physical and social media places, at embracing both physical and
pace?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Yeah, I think the one thing that's helped me is the
online space, the virtual space,knowing that you can't judge a
book by its cover.
You can't judge a person.
Their physical aspects concludetheir pace.
There are a lot of veryathletic people who are not fast
(28:12):
quote unquote and there arepeople who are larger and will
have a very surprising pace.
I think that that mindset andopenness is definitely something
that a lot of communities couldbenefit from focusing on, and
(28:33):
it's a.
It's very easy to say that arun club is inclusive or time
inclusive or pace inclusive,it's different in practice.
Is it always the same peoplefinishing the group run, or are
there leaders acting as pacersand kind of leading the pack
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from the front and the back?
So I think, as more peopleshowcase their experiences
online, giving us the differentdynamics of runners, I do think
that will infiltrate physicalspaces and I think that that
will make a difference.
Also, I think it takes peopleto be proactive and say, hey, I
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want to be a part of thiscommunity.
I've joined these Monday nightrun clubs, things like that, and
I'm having the same experienceover and over, and I think for a
lot of us myself included wouldbe to just acknowledge that
this isn't for me and disappear.
But I think there are peoplewho are making a difference by
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calling it out, and I thinkthat's definitely something a
lot of us could do better at isnot necessarily rocking the boat
, but nothing changes throughsilence.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Not just disappearing into the night, but letting
them know that, hey, I was aloneby myself, no one noticed, or
anything like that.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Right, and not only does it not create a welcoming,
welcoming community, which iswhat a lot of us are looking for
when it comes to running, it'sjust unsafe.
Like we see, there are multiplerun groups in Kansas City and
they will range anywhere fromwhat 15, 20 people to hundreds
of people on a Saturday, andit's very easy to get off path
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if you're maybe a tenth of amile, like a tenth of a mile
behind the rest of the pack, andthat makes for a lot of issues,
and I think that's somethingthat other groups do well and
that's something that a lot ofus learn in team sports is that
your captains lead from thefront and the back, and I think
run clubs could take a note fromthat yeah, exactly, just like
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pacers doing races, you have afront and back pacer that keeps
you in line.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
So we're gonna move into talking about may, the
brooklyn marathon, what you'replanning on doing, what your
goal is, how you're feeling, asyou are day two, and by day we
mean you have ran once, whichwas yesterday.
So what are you hoping to getout of your training for the
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Brooklyn Half Marathon?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
This is a big, this is like a big goal of mine, and
more so than obviously I want tofinish the race.
I want to finish the race notin pain.
I want to fall back in whatwould running.
I think that's what I'm hopingthat this training plan is going
to do have a race that I lovein a place that I love.
I hope that in over the courseof the next 16 weeks, I find all
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the things I used to love aboutrunning and be able to
recapture that.
So that's, that's the notnumber goal for me is, I just
want to be back in a place whereI enjoy running and make it a
more active part of my my life.
So, okay, on weekends we'regoing to go for a long run, like
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that's something that we didfor years has fallen off and now
I'm like it'd be great to redothat.
Often now I'm like it'd be greatto redo that.
The other thing is to notnecessarily get back to any sort
of like pace or time goal, butthe feeling I think that's
something that a lot of runnersknow what I'm talking about it's
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there's that feeling whenyou're running, where it feels
effortless, and not the wholerun, definitely not the first
two miles, not the first fivemiles, yeah, but that time like
for me personally, it'stypically like mile three or
four into a run where you don't,where you don't have to think
about the running part anymore,like your body's going along,
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it's doing what it's doing, uh,like checking in on all your
joints, on your breathing, likeall that stuff disappears.
But that takes time, it takestraining, it takes a lot of
practice.
So my other goal is to get backto where I can go for a run
whether it's four or five, sixmiles and hit that point where
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I'm like, ok, I'm just running.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Yeah, so that's your goal for Brooklyn.
What's your strategy aroundyour training this time around,
like, what are you planning ondoing?
What are you using Sure?
Speaker 1 (33:18):
So the race itself, the Brooklyn Half, is partnered
with an app called RUNNA, whichR-U-N-N-A RUNNAna based in
boston, so it should have an hat the end, but that's fine.
It's still awkward, right,runna, but it actually creates
specific plans for the race, soit knows the course, it knows
all the elevation gains, thingslike that, and it does a nice
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little quiz thing where it'slike hey, where are you?
Are you right now?
What are your goals?
How much time can you allocateto running?
And this is a big part of yourlast series in picking your race
is like what's your personallife like?
For me, there are a coupledifferent things that play into
this.
One is I have two group fitnessclasses that I like to go to
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every week.
It's my social time, so peopleI enjoy.
I get to see them twice a week,so those are kind of
non-negotiables.
I need recovery.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
You're almost 40.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
I'm almost 40.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
I'm almost 42.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
I have a lot of weight I'm putting on my knees
and ankles running, so I need atleast two rest days.
Okay, so that's four out of theseven days kind of allocated.
So I'm like, okay, give me twodays where I'm going to run
those two days every week.
One of them should be a weekend, so I can do a long run, and
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one of them should be a weekdaywhere I can either go to the run
club you're leading Me.
You.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Me, you Me, this Love .
That's amazing.
He hates me.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
I don't, or my big problem in this time of year is
I'm on the road a lot for work.
I travel three, four days at atime every couple of weeks.
There are some Mondays whereI'm at the airport at 5 am.
I can't go for a run.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Nope Be weird.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Right, but there are definitely mornings where my
work meetings don't circle 10.
I can go find a run on aTuesday or Wednesday.
You need to be flexible 100%needs to be flexible and I think
that's what's going to allow meto be successful is kind of
baby steps.
I'm not going to go straight infour days a week of running.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
So you're going to train for the Brooklyn Half
Marathon running two days a week?
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yes, I hate to say it , I've done it before it worked
out.
I wouldn't recommend it foreveryone.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
But runner didn't yell at you, it gave you that as
an option.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, 100%.
So my training plan is going tolook a little bit different
because it's only two days aweek, my mileage will probably
sit between 15 and 20 miles aweek, which is fairly low.
15 and 20 miles a week, whichis fairly low.
But I also told it, I'm nottrying to PR this race.
My goal is to feel good, andwhether that is a two-hour half
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marathon, which would be a PR,or a 220 half marathon, that's
fine, no-transcript.
So yeah, I, I.
My training plan is solely tojust add running back into my
(36:39):
life in a more digestible amountso how do you think your
approach to your training isgoing to differ from mine?
well, definitely like yourtraining for the next 16 weeks
is running.
You'll run more than anythingelse.
Your distances are already, Ithink, three times what my
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distances are, which is fine.
You're much further along yourtraining plan than I am.
You've always kept a muchhigher baseline of running.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
So you're going to have more of your training will
be on the road running.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Or my training is going to be cross training.
I'm going to be doing some HIITworkouts, some different kinds
of cardio, weightlifting,focusing on leg strength, stuff
like that.
So, yeah, our trainings aregoing to look incredibly
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different, considering we arerunning the same race on the
same day with roughly the samegoals, and I think that's one
thing I think more runnersshould understand is not every
training plan is the same foreveryone.
Make it work for you.
I'm doing this with theunderstanding that it's going to
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take me longer to get faster.
I need to prioritize my mentalhealth alongside my physical
health, and running four days aweek I'm not allowed to do that.
I can't do that.
So I found that for me, twodays a week of running, two days
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a week of group fitness andthen two days a week of rest,
and that allows me one day toflex, whether it's a focus
strength, a different class,it's riding the bike, it's going
for a run, maybe it's a reallynice that we get a 60-degree day
in February.
That's what I want to go do.
Having that day open where Ican choose my own adventure is
(38:43):
exactly what I need to, you know.
A little bit of autonomy in yourtraining plan yeah, because I
don't have autonomy.
Everywhere else in my life yeah.
Else in my life yeah.
So I try to give myself as muchas many options as possible and
the things I do control,Understanding that where I am at
any given day for the next likefour months is not necessarily
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up to me.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Do you have any concerns aboutyour training plan or your
training for Brooklyn?
Speaker 1 (39:14):
My concerns are always the same, and it's
training plan or your trainingfor Brooklyn, my concerns are
always the same and it's.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
I'm nearly 40.
I'm overweight.
I have a lot I've cut down mycaffeine.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Low average heart health.
Low average heart health.
No, I think my concerns with atraining plan are just staying
healthy and not getting injured.
Two years ago I was very closeto being at a good place to
start running and I think we hit10 miles.
So we were like one or twoweeks off of our peak and before
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we started to taper for a raceand I completely like screwed up
my knee like four months ofphysical therapy.
Completely like screwed up myknee like four months of
physical therapy, and that,honestly, probably did more to
deteriorate my relationship withrunning than anything else,
because I was making progressand then it went from 100 to
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zero instantly.
So my concern is always goingto be Injury, injury, staying
healthy.
I'm not necessarily concernedon abandoning a plan.
I don't think you'd let me andI've always given you the
permission to Bitch slap you.
(40:30):
No, are we just admitting tophysical violence on the pod?
No, okay, just admitting tophysical violence on the pod.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
No.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Okay, we'll edit that .
No, you're going to give metough love, and that's what I
need, and you're very good aboutasking in any given moment what
do you need?
Do you need a coach or do youneed a wife?
And those are different things.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yeah, which version do you need?
Do you need support?
Do you need me to tell you toget up?
Speaker 1 (40:58):
yeah, so, yeah, uh, yeah.
So I just need to not doanything stupid, not get hurt,
and we'll be good so how do youplan on measuring some of the
success during this trainingcycle?
Ooh, so some of it is going tobe data.
Obviously, we we run withsmartwatches.
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We know every like, every pace,we've run our distances, things
like that.
I'm currently sitting, as ofyesterday, at a 1045 mile
average, which is it's betterthan the number I had in my head
.
Thank you.
Well it is significantly off apace I had five years ago.
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So progress I'm not looking to.
I'm never going to try to getback to where I was then.
I'm a different person as I wasthen Different life, different
career, different circumstancesbut making progress.
Every long run should get alittle bit easier, Ideally, just
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a little bit faster and alittle bit more comfortable.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Honestly, the heart rate going down is really.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
If the pace stays the same and the heart rate goes
down, that shows you more thananything else.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Totally, really.
Yeah, if the pace stays thesame and the heart rate goes
down, that shows you more thananything else, totally.
And then on top of that and I Ican't say this enough I just
want to enjoy running, and thatis worth more than any other
progress I'll make from a actual, like analytical standpoint
yeah, we'll have a littleteehees and giggles.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Yeah, little sweet treats after yeah there's.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
I'm only looking forward to the long runs because
we have this built promise inour home that anything double
digits gets us, gets us pizzafor dinner.
Not because we have a weirdlike, it's just like oh, this is
a nice thing to do yeah, youjust ten anything ten miles or
up, you get pizza for dinner.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Oh, there's no reason .
No, um, so like having thatlike little like thing back in
our lives would be fun now we'regonna move into a quick, rapid
fire question which you alreadyread my questions because you're
sneaky yes, but also sneaky andyou're naughty I mean, if
that's your takeaway from this,sure, fine, I'll own that do you
(43:19):
not?
do you not know what I'm quoting?
No baby why you're sneaky andyou're naughty.
Travis has the wig on.
Oh, you're not fun all right,we're gonna move into rapid fire
questions because, you're notfun that's fine what is your
favorite pump up song on a run,on a workout?
Either, or your choice.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Sure, it's a song called Mutiny by a band called
Set your Goals.
I'm going to have you clip itin.
We have different music tastes100%.
Your entire thing right now ishow unhinged your music is.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Music tastes is unhinged on a run playlist.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
It's far too much Lonely Island than anyone should
ever listen to.
Just in general.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Yes, for me A.
I don't typically run withheadphones, so I run completely,
make it.
No.
No, that is different.
No one eats that and I'm prettysure it's against a couple
different laws.
No, I, I, you are crackingyourself up right now.
(44:25):
No, uh, I get frustrated bytechnology.
You know that better thananyone.
So the last night, like myheadphones cutting out, dying,
losing connection on my phone,I'll stop a run and just walk
home, so I'd rather just nothave it.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
All right, your go-to during a run fuel.
Ooh, what is your before yourun, because I know what your
new answer is going to be.
What is your before times one,and what is your what you're
going to use now, because I knowwhat that answer is.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
So during the run fuel it used to be goos or like
cliff blocks.
That was the one that I think Iused the most Little gummies,
they're fine.
I don't I've done goos in thepast, they suck.
Sorry, I won't get sponsored.
That's fine.
But moving into this trainingplan, as we get to a point where
I need to start fueling, whichwill be in a couple of weeks, it
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will be nerds, gummy clusters.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
So gummy clusters wants to sponsor a big guy.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
That's me.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
It is the only candy I eat for the most part.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
In general Like a lot yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
My ADHD kibble.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
It is what is your post run meal, meal of choice,
especially a long run, becausewe've talked about a lot of food
on a long run yes, the one thatwe choose the most often is
pizza, I think the other optionthis is my forever inability to
choose one is tacos, especiallyif we in kansas city we're lucky
(45:56):
we have a lot of really goodtaco places, but it is like one
of the easier foods to find ifwe're on the road and have it be
particularly good.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Favorite running memory.
It's not a good memory, that'sfine.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
The Garmin half marathon ends with an uphill,
turned into an uphill and I didit.
I'm 100 feet away from thefinish line and at that point my
quad and hamstring decided theywere done.
I can only describe the soundthat I let out as fairly.
(46:33):
And there's a photo and I don'tknow who captured it.
Hillary, my sister-in-law,captured it.
There's a photo and I don'tknow who captured it?
Hillary, my sister-in-law,captured it there's a photo of
me mid-scream.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
That might be my favorite photo of me it's either
that or the photo of you inmaine screaming oh yeah, this
one, this one was.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
It was a lot.
That photo has sound um, thatis my favorite running memory
but for better or worse, what isyour dream running location?
Cute.
That's a really good one.
We've run in some amazingplaces.
Honestly I think it's running,uh, the seawall in Vancouver,
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running through the park, beingrun by legitimate totem poles a
bunch of really cool history.
That might be like my favoriterun we've ever done and maybe
like a run I would love to doagain.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
Would you like to get lost again and accidentally run
almost nine miles?
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Do we need to tell that story?
Yeah, we'll tell it.
We'll tell it later.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Okay, best running advice that you've ignored
Stretch.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
I ignored that for years.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
Did it work out for you?
Speaker 1 (47:46):
I was fine for the first five or six years of
ignoring it until I wasn't Great.
And now I stretch 15, 20minutes every day.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
And then what is the strangest thing you've seen?
On a run, ooh, which is hard,because you've lived in Portland
Oregon.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
Have.
I don't know if he's beenmentioned before, but whip guy
is high up.
So in Portland there's anunhoused person in our
neighborhood that had a verylong whip, like a legit whip.
It was never directed at people, it was directed at stop signs,
street signs.
It made a hell of a noise.
You could hear where he was inour neighborhood so that was
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always interesting to see.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
I'm familiar with his work.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
But I would say beyond that, living in Maine
just having deer on the runningpath and have to figure out how
to navigate that, Did you eversee the tiny pony at the West
Hartford Reservoir?
Yes, I forgot about that.
Yeah, there were mini horses.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Yeah, and the one would walk the mini horses.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
On the trail, yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Well, ed, yes, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
Thanks for coming.
Thanks for letting me join thepodcast.
It's fun being the person whogets to listen to it first and
make sure everything makes sense.
But it never does.
It does, it does.
But I'm glad that I was able togive my perspective on running.
(49:17):
As a non-runner, slash racehusband For someone who is very
deeply into running withoutrunning, it's fun to experience
the entire environment fromdifferent perspectives.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Do you want people to follow you on anything?
Are you going to post yourjourney at all?
Have you decided?
Speaker 1 (49:41):
I haven't decided.
I'll post to my Instagram,which is very unexciting, so I
wouldn't recommend that, but Imight start making TikTok
content.
I don't know.
I have up and down feelingsabout myself in terms of
recording.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Very good, that's a lot, so I'm going to leave his
socials anyway in the show notes.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
So that way you can follow him if he does decide he
wants to post anything.
That way you can follow hisjourney to Brooklyn Half
Marathon.
Yes, but again, thank you somuch.
I really appreciate hearingyour thoughts on running.
I'm sure I'm going to have youagain on as we get closer to the
race just to see how more thanthe first day has gone.
(50:25):
Yeah, because I think once youget past the first long run and
to see how maybe nerds clustersare treating you as fuel during
your long runs is going it'slike an ultra marathon just runs
is going.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
I'm going to treat this like an ultra marathon,
Just soda and candy.
I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Don't do soda.
The bubbles won't feel good.
I can promise you that.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
But yeah, I'd love to kind of check in, maybe halfway
through training, and thenmaybe we'll record an episode
from whatever restaurant orbrewery we end up at after the
race.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
It'll be very unhinged.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
But I'm sure we'll see hundreds of dogs, god
willing.
I think I wish you I don't knowif it's anywhere, but we should
figure out what the number ofdogs was for your last Brooklyn
Half Marathon.
It was well into the hundreds.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Yeah, absolutely.
Thank you again and thank youeveryone.
I hope this was helpful.
I hope you took away somethingfrom Ed's conversation and I
look forward to the next onewith you.
And keep counting those dogsand keep running and we will see
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you in the next one.
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Hey runners, welcome back tothe Dogs Per Mile podcast.
We have a very special episodetoday.
I have a guest here who has beenon this running journey with me
since I decided to startrunning over 13 years ago, when
(00:54):
I made a dumb decision to gofrom a 5k to a half marathon,
who has heard every story, seenevery tear, almost gone to
almost every single brunch andhas never missed a race that I
have done Not one.
You've never missed a race.
That would be my wonderfulhusband, ed.
(01:14):
I asked my personal Instagramfollowers if they wanted to hear
about Ed's story about signingup for the Brooklyn Half
Marathon, and they wanted Ed.
It was a resounding yes of moreEd.
More Ed in their lives, which Ican agree.
More Ed in your life.
So today I'm going to introduceyou to Ed, my husband, and we're
(01:37):
going to learn a little bitabout his running history, his
athletic history, a little bit.
What it's like to be married tosomebody who is a crazy runner
and kind of his plan to trainfor the Brooklyn Half Marathon,
someone who's not a typicalrunner and doesn't plan to
become a typical runner ever.
So we're going to kind of gointo that.
(01:58):
But I hope you guys enjoy, Ihope you take something away
from this and we are going toget started.
So for listeners, meeting Edfor the first time, this guy
over here normally has a beardIf you're seeing a video of this
, this guy over here, what isyour athletic background?
(02:18):
What did you play growing up?
What sports were your interests?
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Sure, none of them were running based, that's for
sure.
I grew up predominantly playingbaseball and positions that
don't involve running.
So pitcher, catcher, first basePlayed football, basketball,
hockey to different extents.
Got into track in high school,but only in the field section.
So javelin, discus, hammer,chopput, and then sometime in my
(02:46):
mid-20s I decided to startplaying soccer, which was a
bizarre experience but ended upbeing one of the best things
I've ever done.
So at the moment now I play nosports, which is crazy to think
about, but, as of yesterday,restarting my running journey
for maybe the fourth or fifthtime.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
So you said, restarting your running journey,
maybe the fourth or fifth time.
So you said restarting yourrunning journey.
Whatever brought you intostarting a running journey,
seeing as all of your sportsnever had a running aspect to
them or um, I think it was rightbefore our wedding, so this
would have been 13 years ago.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I think we're both on a journey to be better physical
versions of ourself, and youhad really gotten into running
at that point and I realizedthat this is a great way to a
spend more time with you.
But b was something that, uh,we could connect on and we did a
(03:43):
.
God, this is the most 2012thing I think we could have done
.
We did a color run 5k in EastHartford, connecticut.
I remember in what I thoughtwere running sneakers.
In hindsight they weren't.
I think, they were like a pairof Adidas that I got at the
outlets that resembled runningshoes outlets that resembled
(04:11):
running shoes but no, that waslike my first foray into running
outside of the gym class mileevery year.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Your first one was the color run, 5k.
What was your next run?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
did I jump right to the half marathon?
I think I might have you pull abridget.
I did so the hogsback halfmarathon right after we got
married.
Um, yeah, I was.
Yeah, I was training in betweenretail shifts working at apple,
so either going out in themorning before my 1 pm shift or
(04:41):
running at night after my 6 amshift, running the West Hartford
Reservoir, the same 2.2 mileloop Dozens, if not hundreds of
times.
But yeah, this was the days ofand this is something you've
touched on in past episodesusing the Nike Run Club training
plans.
(05:02):
I had a Nike running watch backwhen those existed.
That thing actually ruled, Ilove.
I wore it like 24 seven.
That was just my normal watchbefore smartwatches.
But yeah, so yeah, I think thesecond race was a half marathon
and then now that haskickstarted this weird four year
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cycle where I I will run a halfmarathon, say I'll never do
that again, take three to fouryears off and then be right in
the same spot.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
So we're right in the same spot.
Looked at your watch, noticedthat your credit card was
charged for the Brooklyn HalfMarathon lottery and, not
knowing if it was a charge forme getting into the lottery you
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getting into the lottery or usboth getting into the lottery.
Because, if you don't know, theBrooklyn Half Marathon lottery
is much like a London Marathon,chicago Marathon, new York City
Marathon lottery, where you putyour name in and you don't know
if you're actually going to getto run it.
They pick a certain number ofpeople, so you don't know if
you're going to run it or not.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yeah, I think the initial reaction when I saw them
on my watch as we're gettingready for our weekly 530 workout
class was actually very excited, I think.
I think the thing that waskeeping me from getting into a
race was the thought that if I'mgonna put in 16 weeks of
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training, I'm gonna do a race.
That is kind of cool.
I and don't get me wrong like Ilove running rock the parkway.
It is still my favorite race,it's your favorite race.
But it's not worth training for16 weeks for me.
But getting into the brooklynhalf marathon, a race that
neither of us have doneobviously you've done a
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different brooklyn half marathon, um, and having that experience
at one of my favorite citieswas very exciting.
Honestly, there's still likethis, like underlying feel,
(07:18):
feeling of like terror, notbecause I don't think I can do
this, but it's because it is alot of hard work and because
it's not something I do all thetime, like you do, I can't
anticipate what the results areand that for my brain that's a
very large, you know, gap tofill.
So, uh, currently day two of mytraining plan of 16 weeks I'm
excited.
I think it's the thing I needto push me.
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I need some sort of carrot inmy life to kind of train.
I can't train for nothing and Idon't really have anything big
coming up.
So I think this was what Ineeded and if the next 16 weeks
go well, we'd have like threeother races that are potentially
on our calendars for this year.
And maybe this is the thing thatmakes running stick and not be
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in every four year journey likethe Olympics.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
You'd like to be better than the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I'd like to be more consistent than the Olympics.
I don't think I can be betterthan the Olympics.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Your running journey sounds like you want to be more
consistent than the Olympics.
So how would you describe yourrelationship with running over
the years?
It sounds like it kind of comesand goes in seasons and, as I
know because I you know, we'remarried and I live with you and
I see you a lot it's kind ofstrange You're always here.
(08:38):
It's weird.
I don't know how that happened.
So I want to know more abouthow those seasons of running
have happened and what some ofthe catalysts that have made you
excited to run, and then someof the things that have kind of
maybe made you less excited towant to get out the door,
because I know there are seasonsof me, for me, that maybe not
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want to run, and I think a lotof people can relate to why it's
harder to get out the door,even if running is fun for them.
So I'd love to hear more aboutthat.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Sure, so I think my relationship with running is
strenuous.
It's because I am not a.
I don't have the body of arunner, even when I'm fairly
deep into a training plan.
I don't think that's ever goingto be me.
The seasons part really comesto what I think is going to be
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best for my overall health.
Sometimes that's strengthtraining and that's where I
really put months in focusing injust the gym and not doing an
ounce of cardio.
As I get closer to 40, I think,uh, hybrid training is going to
be my future.
Um, so, and honestly, this isthe longest period of time since
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2020, where I stayed healthylong enough.
So, no back injuries, kneeinjuries, hip injuries, um, so
that's helping me start runningagain, because the thing that
shuts the door for me is enoughupside for me.
In those seasons where I'mgoing to like get out the door
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and I push through, where youbecause you are a runner and
this is the thing that you enjoymost you'll do that Me, I will
say nope, not today.
I'll see how I feel next week.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Try again.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yeah, but that being said, when I am in a running
season it's very easy and one ofmy favorite things to do is to
go out and go for a run.
I will say that there aredifferent issues living in
Kansas City in season comparedto the last time I was fairly
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into running, which is living inPortland.
I think that is going to be thehardest hurdle for this
training cycle and kind ofgetting back into running but
having support from both you asa, as a partner, but also kind
of a community that we've builtwith our friends who are also
restarting their learningjourneys or finding what running
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means to them has been helpfuland that type of support, even
if it's very much in thebackground, is helping.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Oh, good, good.
Yeah, I think defining yoursupport levels from a variety of
different people, whether it bepartners or friends, is really,
really important in making surethat you have the right
language from different peopleand you're hearing it from all
angles, because I know it's easyto drown out a spouse because
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it's who you live with.
But if you hear it from afriend, you're like that's a
great idea.
And you're like the spouse islike what the fuck?
I just said that.
And they're like but yeah, butthey said it better than you.
It's like all right, well, okay, cool.
So what keeps bringing you backto running?
Each time you keep coming backto it.
So what are some of the thingsyou love about running?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
When you get back to it, when you're in the season
where it is enjoyable, it's anopportunity to get out of the
house, not spend money which isvery hard to do and actually not
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have to think or not be able tothink about anything when it
comes to work, when it comes towhat's going on at home, the
dogs, anything like that.
It's the 35 minutes to two hourswhere, outside of like trying
not to get hit by cars, prettymuch I can zone out and my brain
doesn't do that very often, soI think that's a big thing for
me.
The other thing is, honestly, II like how I feel after I run.
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I think there's this, it's theconcept of runners high I I do
definitely see a difference inmy own mental health, my
personality, things like that.
When I am running it's a very,it feels like a very big
accomplishment that you don'tget necessarily from, say, like
weightlifting or playing pickupsports things like that.
(13:19):
There there's definitely alarger sense of accomplishment.
I think that once I start tohit new paces or distances or
just ending a run feeling good,it's the fuel I need for the
next set of runs.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
I think it really builds a habit and a routine
easier than anything else.
So a couple good runs will fuelme for my next few runs.
So I think that's that's kindof what keeps me interested in
my seasons of running, and why Ikeep coming back is, over the
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course of a couple years of notrunning, I'll miss that feeling
and it's just like a reminder,just like anything else, that
this is something that Iactually enjoy when I'm in it.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Well, obviously, in case you didn't know, we're
married, we are.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
I have a piece of paper that says so.
I haven't lost it yet, and weare sitting on the same couch.
Obviously, if you do see a clipof this, we're not in the same
video.
We're at different videos onthe same couch, three feet from
each other gets deeper, deeperinvolved or into the running
community.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
what has that been like for you as somebody who
never expected to be on thefield portion of the track and
field community?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
yeah, um, for someone who and you might tell this if
you don't know me personally uh,someone who's built like an nfl
lineman.
I know so much about running.
I know every training, coachingdistances, the types of runs.
This has become just a a pointof knowledge in my life you mean
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, everyone doesn't know that?
no, and we've had thisconversation a ton that there's
a lot that goes into running fora sport that, on its basis, is
literally a single thing.
But yeah, being married to arunner and someone whose life
has, for a substantial amount oftime, like revolved around
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running, it's been interestingbecause sometimes I have been a
runner with you.
Sometimes I will see you go offat six in the morning for a run
and go right back to sleep, andthat's fine.
Um, I think for me.
I've had to learn what you,what runners, need in terms of
support, both physically andmentally.
(16:06):
I get to be your functioningbrain when you get to turn yours
off on a run, so I'll knowwhere you are at any given time.
I'll, you know, get things readyfor you when I know you're
coming home, that's true, andwhen it comes to race day, I am
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the logistics person.
My job is to get you to thestart line in a good as mood as
possible, and then I take careof everything else.
I have your bag with yoursweats and your sandals for
after the race.
I know where the parking is, Iknow where the porta potties are
, I know how early we have toget there, and it's never as
early as you say it is.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
It's just like every airport, correct?
Speaker 1 (16:52):
But also understanding that running is
hard.
It's a very mentally taskingthing, and being able to know
where your head's at after a runbecause I've been there
occasionally has also helped.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
So that's been the biggest thing.
I think the nice takeaway fromthis race training we're talking
about the Brooklyn HalfMarathon in May is I love
traveling.
Yes, you don't love traveling,Not really.
What's the idea?
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I like the concept of traveling.
I would like some house forsomeone just to like.
Like the sims, pick me up andjust put me right in the
location.
I don't like the process ofeverything else, hotels,
airports I don't want to do anyof that.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
No, thank you so I think running has allowed us to
do two things that we both enjoy, while having a small sacrifice
for the other.
So I like to travel, you liketo run.
Let's meet in the middle ofthis Venn Diagon.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
I'm forced to travel, you're forced to run.
Yeah, we're each forced to doone thing we're not enjoying.
Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
And A.
It's helped us see a lot of thecountry, which is very cool.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yep 100% and a.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
it's helped us see a lot of the country, which is
very cool, yeah, but also it'ssomething that I think both of
us need in terms of motivationwhich is we have this big like
shiny thing on our calendar.
Yeah, and that's what.
That's what gets us out thedoor in the morning and you've
talked about this on otherepisodes it's if you're not
training for a race.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
It's much harder to go out consistently three, four
days a week for your runs,especially if you're training
for a race that's exciting,you're excited for.
That's going to get you out thedoor much faster than if it's a
race that you, it's your local5K, it's much harder.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I think, and so for we kind of touched on it like
what my version of running?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
is.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I'm very much a destination race person yeah,
your adventure you need I, yeahI.
If I'm going to sign up for arace or sign up for a lottery, I
want to have something else togo along with that, and that's
either a new city a city I love,like new New York, chicago,
boston, something that could bevery outdoorsy.
(19:10):
We live in the Midwest, we livein Kansas City.
There's not a ton of tremendousnature around, so races that
are in national parks and theNorthwest and Northeast, those
are very cool to me and I thinkthat's the type of thing that I
need to go out and run.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
So how has my running influenced your own journey
with running?
I know you've touched on alittle bit.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
That's a really interesting question because
it's done both the two opposites.
It's caused me not to ever wantto run, because I know how hard
it is and how much effort youput into it, but at the same
time, I'll see you come backfrom a run and be very proud.
I want that feeling.
There's definitely times wherethere's a FOMO about running.
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When it comes to you, so you'veimpacted me in that way of this
is something that I could bedoing and feeling the same way,
and I really don't have asimilar output to do that.
But yeah, so that's kind of howyour journey has influenced
mine.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I like that.
I like to be impactful inanything I do.
Could you give other partnerswho get by some chance pulled
into their significant other'srunning adventures whether or
not they get pulled intoactually running, because
sometimes they do not want torun or they just get pulled into
a vacation that turns into arace or a run Sure what advice
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do you have for them?
Speaker 1 (20:41):
This is going to be weird.
Give a shit.
Going to be weird.
Give a shit, like if yourpartner is a runner and they
want to involve you in theirjourney, whether that is
training, racing, going todifferent races expos things
like that.
Just be there for them, give ashit.
I very, very much enjoy takingon the role of like like race
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husband.
I hold the backpack.
I like track you throughout thecourse, try to find you like as
much as I can.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Some races are feasible, some aren't you like
to find every spot you like to.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
If my parents are there, you will get them
breakfast yeah, yeah, I want tomake sure that if I'm not
running, I'm making the race aseasy as possible for you.
So all you have to do is getthere and run.
But, yeah, just be invested.
I think that's a biggertakeaway, for anything that our
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partners do is some level ofinvestment.
Care about it.
But if running is not your thingand you are, and you are living
with a runner have an interestin it, be open to learning about
it, be that like year, becausethe one thing, like I said
earlier, it's like those areanywhere from a half hour to two
hours where I'm just with myown, I'm with my own head, which
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, for better or worse, buthaving having the ability to
talk to you after a run of allthe things that went through.
And we do this, we, we do likea debrief after every run,
because sometimes, if we'rerunning together, we're talking,
but if I'm going for a run orif you're going for a run, we,
we have a bunch of stuff that wewant to talk about afterwards.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Things I've seen and done or need to tell you that
happened right and I so.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
I think that's the like, just like, be active, be
interested, give a shit I mean,give a shit just works in
general for partners.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Just give a shit, that's it.
So you had talked about you'rebuilt like a linebacker and I
have mentioned that I in no waylook like I should be a runner
or have the height and finesseof the average runner.
What is your take on the quoteunquote runner identity and do
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you consider yourself a runner?
Speaker 1 (23:02):
I do consider myself a runner.
I think I.
I think there are points in myseasons and in my journeys of
running where I feel more like arunner.
I do consider myself a runner.
I think there are points in myseasons and in my journeys of
running where I feel more like arunner than others.
But if I'm putting on myrunning sneakers and I'm
starting my watch, I'm a runner.
I think that's the thing thatthe running community has gotten
a lot better at, but it stillhas a long way to go.
(23:25):
I think there's a lot of goodinfluencers out there that are
making running more accessiblefor people who aren't the
typical runner?
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Are you seeing that more in certain genders or like?
Are you seeing that more maleor female or non-binary genders
in particular?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Sure, I think for men it's catching up.
I think for women it got therea little bit sooner.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I think it's was it Kelly Roberts?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Kelly Roberts was one of the earlier ones that I
noticed.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Yeah.
So I think back in 2018, 2019,there was definitely like a
bigger push for inclusion forwomen, and that came from
running brands as well.
You're starting to see it onInstagram.
There were communities beingbuilt, things like that.
There were definitely less,there were less men in that
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space, which is fine.
I don't think we need to takeup more space, but I think more
recently, there have been acouple influential, influential
runners who have taken the, thelead, the torch, the baton and
said running for everyone I'mgonna like kind of showcase my
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journey with it and that's beenhelpful.
But I think the thing aboutrunning that comes to us not
being the typical runnerphysically is the community is
harder to embrace and this mightbe a local thing to us.
But I think there's always thislike notoriety around run clubs
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that they aren't necessarilyinclusive from both a cultural
standpoint but also from a pace,openness perspective.
So I think there's definitelyspace there and I applaud those
who are able to go to run clubsand be the back of the pack
runner and still find their,their community there.
(25:29):
But I think there's definitelystill a need to grow that.
But yeah, I think if you'reputting on your sneakers, you're
starting your watch.
You are a runner.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I absolutely agree.
What has been your experienceat races or in the running space
in general?
Speaker 1 (25:45):
It's actually one of the few places where I don't
feel perceived in any sort ofway Like I stand out in a crowd,
like I'm six foot three, 315pounds.
At the moment I stand out, Inever feel particularly like
singled out or anything in therunning community.
(26:05):
Um, if anything, I might getmore positive feedback from
people whether or not it comesfrom a great place.
That's up to them.
Um doing great buddy yeah,those words of encouragement,
like they feel like it feelsmore of an obligation, like good
for you, man.
You're putting your body on theline to do this, but no, it's
(26:29):
weird.
I think that maybe it's becauseI I at least look quasi
athletic?
That it's not like I don'tthink it.
I make it look like a big deal,but then, as we said, I haven't
run a race in four years, sowho knows?
But yeah, it's an interestingidea, but I personally and maybe
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this is just my own blindness Ihaven't really noticed anything
for myself.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
That's good.
What do you think of therunning community, both in
person and online Because Ithink those are two important
spaces to mention could dobetter to welcome people who
don't fit both the physical butalso the pace runner mold,
because I think those are twothings, because I think a lot of
people do assume if you look acertain way, you must be running
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a certain pace, and I thinkit's very interesting that
you'll see people who are veryhave the typical runner's body
and then they run aquote-unquote slow pace at
13-minute miles and I'm going touse quotes because it's still a
good pace, whatever you say andthen there are people who look
larger and are able to bust out7-minute miles.
So how do you think that we canbe better at both of those
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physical and social media places, at embracing both physical and
pace?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Yeah, I think the one thing that's helped me is the
online space, the virtual space,knowing that you can't judge a
book by its cover.
You can't judge a person.
Their physical aspects concludetheir pace.
There are a lot of veryathletic people who are not fast
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quote unquote and there arepeople who are larger and will
have a very surprising pace.
I think that that mindset andopenness is definitely something
that a lot of communities couldbenefit from focusing on, and
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it's a.
It's very easy to say that arun club is inclusive or time
inclusive or pace inclusive,it's different in practice.
Is it always the same peoplefinishing the group run, or are
there leaders acting as pacersand kind of leading the pack
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from the front and the back?
So I think, as more peopleshowcase their experiences
online, giving us the differentdynamics of runners, I do think
that will infiltrate physicalspaces and I think that that
will make a difference.
Also, I think it takes peopleto be proactive and say, hey, I
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want to be a part of thiscommunity.
I've joined these Monday nightrun clubs, things like that, and
I'm having the same experienceover and over, and I think for a
lot of us myself included wouldbe to just acknowledge that
this isn't for me and disappear.
But I think there are peoplewho are making a difference by
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calling it out, and I thinkthat's definitely something a
lot of us could do better at isnot necessarily rocking the boat
, but nothing changes throughsilence.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Not just disappearing into the night, but letting
them know that, hey, I was aloneby myself, no one noticed, or
anything like that.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Right, and not only does it not create a welcoming,
welcoming community, which iswhat a lot of us are looking for
when it comes to running, it'sjust unsafe.
Like we see, there are multiplerun groups in Kansas City and
they will range anywhere fromwhat 15, 20 people to hundreds
of people on a Saturday, andit's very easy to get off path
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if you're maybe a tenth of amile, like a tenth of a mile
behind the rest of the pack, andthat makes for a lot of issues,
and I think that's somethingthat other groups do well and
that's something that a lot ofus learn in team sports is that
your captains lead from thefront and the back, and I think
run clubs could take a note fromthat yeah, exactly, just like
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pacers doing races, you have afront and back pacer that keeps
you in line.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
So we're gonna move into talking about may, the
brooklyn marathon, what you'replanning on doing, what your
goal is, how you're feeling, asyou are day two, and by day we
mean you have ran once, whichwas yesterday.
So what are you hoping to getout of your training for the
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Brooklyn Half Marathon?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
This is a big, this is like a big goal of mine, and
more so than obviously I want tofinish the race.
I want to finish the race notin pain.
I want to fall back in whatwould running.
I think that's what I'm hopingthat this training plan is going
to do have a race that I lovein a place that I love.
I hope that in over the courseof the next 16 weeks, I find all
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the things I used to love aboutrunning and be able to
recapture that.
So that's, that's the notnumber goal for me is, I just
want to be back in a place whereI enjoy running and make it a
more active part of my my life.
So, okay, on weekends we'regoing to go for a long run, like
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that's something that we didfor years has fallen off and now
I'm like it'd be great to redothat.
Often now I'm like it'd be greatto redo that.
The other thing is to notnecessarily get back to any sort
of like pace or time goal, butthe feeling I think that's
something that a lot of runnersknow what I'm talking about it's
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there's that feeling whenyou're running, where it feels
effortless, and not the wholerun, definitely not the first
two miles, not the first fivemiles, yeah, but that time like
for me personally, it'stypically like mile three or
four into a run where you don't,where you don't have to think
about the running part anymore,like your body's going along,
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it's doing what it's doing, uh,like checking in on all your
joints, on your breathing, likeall that stuff disappears.
But that takes time, it takestraining, it takes a lot of
practice.
So my other goal is to get backto where I can go for a run
whether it's four or five, sixmiles and hit that point where
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I'm like, ok, I'm just running.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Yeah, so that's your goal for Brooklyn.
What's your strategy aroundyour training this time around,
like, what are you planning ondoing?
What are you using Sure?
Speaker 1 (33:18):
So the race itself, the Brooklyn Half, is partnered
with an app called RUNNA, whichR-U-N-N-A RUNNAna based in
boston, so it should have an hat the end, but that's fine.
It's still awkward, right,runna, but it actually creates
specific plans for the race, soit knows the course, it knows
all the elevation gains, thingslike that, and it does a nice
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little quiz thing where it'slike hey, where are you?
Are you right now?
What are your goals?
How much time can you allocateto running?
And this is a big part of yourlast series in picking your race
is like what's your personallife like?
For me, there are a coupledifferent things that play into
this.
One is I have two group fitnessclasses that I like to go to
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every week.
It's my social time, so peopleI enjoy.
I get to see them twice a week,so those are kind of
non-negotiables.
I need recovery.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
You're almost 40.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
I'm almost 40.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
I'm almost 42.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
I have a lot of weight I'm putting on my knees
and ankles running, so I need atleast two rest days.
Okay, so that's four out of theseven days kind of allocated.
So I'm like, okay, give me twodays where I'm going to run
those two days every week.
One of them should be a weekend, so I can do a long run, and
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one of them should be a weekdaywhere I can either go to the run
club you're leading Me.
You.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Me, you Me, this Love .
That's amazing.
He hates me.
I love it.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
I don't, or my big problem in this time of year is
I'm on the road a lot for work.
I travel three, four days at atime every couple of weeks.
There are some Mondays whereI'm at the airport at 5 am.
I can't go for a run.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Nope Be weird.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Right, but there are definitely mornings where my
work meetings don't circle 10.
I can go find a run on aTuesday or Wednesday.
You need to be flexible 100%needs to be flexible and I think
that's what's going to allow meto be successful is kind of
baby steps.
I'm not going to go straight infour days a week of running.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
So you're going to train for the Brooklyn Half
Marathon running two days a week?
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yes, I hate to say it , I've done it before it worked
out.
I wouldn't recommend it foreveryone.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
But runner didn't yell at you, it gave you that as
an option.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, 100%.
So my training plan is going tolook a little bit different
because it's only two days aweek, my mileage will probably
sit between 15 and 20 miles aweek, which is fairly low.
15 and 20 miles a week, whichis fairly low.
But I also told it, I'm nottrying to PR this race.
My goal is to feel good, andwhether that is a two-hour half
(36:17):
marathon, which would be a PR,or a 220 half marathon, that's
fine, no-transcript.
So yeah, I, I.
My training plan is solely tojust add running back into my
(36:39):
life in a more digestible amountso how do you think your
approach to your training isgoing to differ from mine?
well, definitely like yourtraining for the next 16 weeks
is running.
You'll run more than anythingelse.
Your distances are already, Ithink, three times what my
(37:01):
distances are, which is fine.
You're much further along yourtraining plan than I am.
You've always kept a muchhigher baseline of running.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
So you're going to have more of your training will
be on the road running.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Or my training is going to be cross training.
I'm going to be doing some HIITworkouts, some different kinds
of cardio, weightlifting,focusing on leg strength, stuff
like that.
So, yeah, our trainings aregoing to look incredibly
(37:35):
different, considering we arerunning the same race on the
same day with roughly the samegoals, and I think that's one
thing I think more runnersshould understand is not every
training plan is the same foreveryone.
Make it work for you.
I'm doing this with theunderstanding that it's going to
(38:00):
take me longer to get faster.
I need to prioritize my mentalhealth alongside my physical
health, and running four days aweek I'm not allowed to do that.
I can't do that.
So I found that for me, twodays a week of running, two days
(38:22):
a week of group fitness andthen two days a week of rest,
and that allows me one day toflex, whether it's a focus
strength, a different class,it's riding the bike, it's going
for a run, maybe it's a reallynice that we get a 60-degree day
in February.
That's what I want to go do.
Having that day open where Ican choose my own adventure is
(38:43):
exactly what I need to, you know.
A little bit of autonomy in yourtraining plan yeah, because I
don't have autonomy.
Everywhere else in my life yeah.
Else in my life yeah.
So I try to give myself as muchas many options as possible and
the things I do control,Understanding that where I am at
any given day for the next likefour months is not necessarily
(39:06):
up to me.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Do you have any concerns aboutyour training plan or your
training for Brooklyn?
Speaker 1 (39:14):
My concerns are always the same, and it's
training plan or your trainingfor Brooklyn, my concerns are
always the same and it's.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
I'm nearly 40.
I'm overweight.
I have a lot I've cut down mycaffeine.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Low average heart health.
Low average heart health.
No, I think my concerns with atraining plan are just staying
healthy and not getting injured.
Two years ago I was very closeto being at a good place to
start running and I think we hit10 miles.
So we were like one or twoweeks off of our peak and before
(39:47):
we started to taper for a raceand I completely like screwed up
my knee like four months ofphysical therapy.
Completely like screwed up myknee like four months of
physical therapy, and that,honestly, probably did more to
deteriorate my relationship withrunning than anything else,
because I was making progressand then it went from 100 to
(40:10):
zero instantly.
So my concern is always goingto be Injury, injury, staying
healthy.
I'm not necessarily concernedon abandoning a plan.
I don't think you'd let me andI've always given you the
permission to Bitch slap you.
(40:30):
No, are we just admitting tophysical violence on the pod?
No, okay, just admitting tophysical violence on the pod.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
No.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Okay, we'll edit that .
No, you're going to give metough love, and that's what I
need, and you're very good aboutasking in any given moment what
do you need?
Do you need a coach or do youneed a wife?
And those are different things.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yeah, which version do you need?
Do you need support?
Do you need me to tell you toget up?
Speaker 1 (40:58):
yeah, so, yeah, uh, yeah.
So I just need to not doanything stupid, not get hurt,
and we'll be good so how do youplan on measuring some of the
success during this trainingcycle?
Ooh, so some of it is going tobe data.
Obviously, we we run withsmartwatches.
(41:19):
We know every like, every pace,we've run our distances, things
like that.
I'm currently sitting, as ofyesterday, at a 1045 mile
average, which is it's betterthan the number I had in my head
.
Thank you.
Well it is significantly off apace I had five years ago.
(41:45):
So progress I'm not looking to.
I'm never going to try to getback to where I was then.
I'm a different person as I wasthen Different life, different
career, different circumstancesbut making progress.
Every long run should get alittle bit easier, Ideally, just
(42:06):
a little bit faster and alittle bit more comfortable.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Honestly, the heart rate going down is really.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
If the pace stays the same and the heart rate goes
down, that shows you more thananything else.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Totally, really.
Yeah, if the pace stays thesame and the heart rate goes
down, that shows you more thananything else, totally.
And then on top of that and I Ican't say this enough I just
want to enjoy running, and thatis worth more than any other
progress I'll make from a actual, like analytical standpoint
yeah, we'll have a littleteehees and giggles.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
Yeah, little sweet treats after yeah there's.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
I'm only looking forward to the long runs because
we have this built promise inour home that anything double
digits gets us, gets us pizzafor dinner.
Not because we have a weirdlike, it's just like oh, this is
a nice thing to do yeah, youjust ten anything ten miles or
up, you get pizza for dinner.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Oh, there's no reason .
No, um, so like having thatlike little like thing back in
our lives would be fun now we'regonna move into a quick, rapid
fire question which you alreadyread my questions because you're
sneaky yes, but also sneaky andyou're naughty I mean, if
that's your takeaway from this,sure, fine, I'll own that do you
(43:19):
not?
do you not know what I'm quoting?
No baby why you're sneaky andyou're naughty.
Travis has the wig on.
Oh, you're not fun all right,we're gonna move into rapid fire
questions because, you're notfun that's fine what is your
favorite pump up song on a run,on a workout?
Either, or your choice.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Sure, it's a song called Mutiny by a band called
Set your Goals.
I'm going to have you clip itin.
We have different music tastes100%.
Your entire thing right now ishow unhinged your music is.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Music tastes is unhinged on a run playlist.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
It's far too much Lonely Island than anyone should
ever listen to.
Just in general.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Yes, for me A.
I don't typically run withheadphones, so I run completely,
make it.
No.
No, that is different.
No one eats that and I'm prettysure it's against a couple
different laws.
No, I, I, you are crackingyourself up right now.
(44:25):
No, uh, I get frustrated bytechnology.
You know that better thananyone.
So the last night, like myheadphones cutting out, dying,
losing connection on my phone,I'll stop a run and just walk
home, so I'd rather just nothave it.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
All right, your go-to during a run fuel.
Ooh, what is your before yourun, because I know what your
new answer is going to be.
What is your before times one,and what is your what you're
going to use now, because I knowwhat that answer is.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
So during the run fuel it used to be goos or like
cliff blocks.
That was the one that I think Iused the most Little gummies,
they're fine.
I don't I've done goos in thepast, they suck.
Sorry, I won't get sponsored.
That's fine.
But moving into this trainingplan, as we get to a point where
I need to start fueling, whichwill be in a couple of weeks, it
(45:17):
will be nerds, gummy clusters.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
So gummy clusters wants to sponsor a big guy.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
That's me.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
It is the only candy I eat for the most part.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
In general Like a lot yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
My ADHD kibble.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
It is what is your post run meal, meal of choice,
especially a long run, becausewe've talked about a lot of food
on a long run yes, the one thatwe choose the most often is
pizza, I think the other optionthis is my forever inability to
choose one is tacos, especiallyif we in kansas city we're lucky
(45:56):
we have a lot of really goodtaco places, but it is like one
of the easier foods to find ifwe're on the road and have it be
particularly good.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Favorite running memory.
It's not a good memory, that'sfine.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
The Garmin half marathon ends with an uphill,
turned into an uphill and I didit.
I'm 100 feet away from thefinish line and at that point my
quad and hamstring decided theywere done.
I can only describe the soundthat I let out as fairly.
(46:33):
And there's a photo and I don'tknow who captured it.
Hillary, my sister-in-law,captured it.
There's a photo and I don'tknow who captured it?
Hillary, my sister-in-law,captured it there's a photo of
me mid-scream.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
That might be my favorite photo of me it's either
that or the photo of you inmaine screaming oh yeah, this
one, this one was.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
It was a lot.
That photo has sound um, thatis my favorite running memory
but for better or worse, what isyour dream running location?
Cute.
That's a really good one.
We've run in some amazingplaces.
Honestly I think it's running,uh, the seawall in Vancouver,
(47:14):
running through the park, beingrun by legitimate totem poles a
bunch of really cool history.
That might be like my favoriterun we've ever done and maybe
like a run I would love to doagain.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
Would you like to get lost again and accidentally run
almost nine miles?
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Do we need to tell that story?
Yeah, we'll tell it.
We'll tell it later.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Okay, best running advice that you've ignored
Stretch.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
I ignored that for years.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
Did it work out for you?
Speaker 1 (47:46):
I was fine for the first five or six years of
ignoring it until I wasn't Great.
And now I stretch 15, 20minutes every day.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
And then what is the strangest thing you've seen?
On a run, ooh, which is hard,because you've lived in Portland
Oregon.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
Have.
I don't know if he's beenmentioned before, but whip guy
is high up.
So in Portland there's anunhoused person in our
neighborhood that had a verylong whip, like a legit whip.
It was never directed at people, it was directed at stop signs,
street signs.
It made a hell of a noise.
You could hear where he was inour neighborhood so that was
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always interesting to see.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
I'm familiar with his work.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
But I would say beyond that, living in Maine
just having deer on the runningpath and have to figure out how
to navigate that, Did you eversee the tiny pony at the West
Hartford Reservoir?
Yes, I forgot about that.
Yeah, there were mini horses.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Yeah, and the one would walk the mini horses.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
On the trail, yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Well, ed, yes, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
Thanks for coming.
Thanks for letting me join thepodcast.
It's fun being the person whogets to listen to it first and
make sure everything makes sense.
But it never does.
It does, it does.
But I'm glad that I was able togive my perspective on running.
(49:17):
As a non-runner, slash racehusband For someone who is very
deeply into running withoutrunning, it's fun to experience
the entire environment fromdifferent perspectives.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Do you want people to follow you on anything?
Are you going to post yourjourney at all?
Have you decided?
Speaker 1 (49:41):
I haven't decided.
I'll post to my Instagram,which is very unexciting, so I
wouldn't recommend that, but Imight start making TikTok
content.
I don't know.
I have up and down feelingsabout myself in terms of
recording.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Very good, that's a lot, so I'm going to leave his
socials anyway in the show notes.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
So that way you can follow him if he does decide he
wants to post anything.
That way you can follow hisjourney to Brooklyn Half
Marathon.
Yes, but again, thank you somuch.
I really appreciate hearingyour thoughts on running.
I'm sure I'm going to have youagain on as we get closer to the
race just to see how more thanthe first day has gone.
(50:25):
Yeah, because I think once youget past the first long run and
to see how maybe nerds clustersare treating you as fuel during
your long runs is going it'slike an ultra marathon just runs
is going.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
I'm going to treat this like an ultra marathon,
Just soda and candy.
I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Don't do soda.
The bubbles won't feel good.
I can promise you that.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
But yeah, I'd love to kind of check in, maybe halfway
through training, and thenmaybe we'll record an episode
from whatever restaurant orbrewery we end up at after the
race.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
It'll be very unhinged.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
But I'm sure we'll see hundreds of dogs, god
willing.
I think I wish you I don't knowif it's anywhere, but we should
figure out what the number ofdogs was for your last Brooklyn
Half Marathon.
It was well into the hundreds.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Yeah, absolutely.
Thank you again and thank youeveryone.
I hope this was helpful.
I hope you took away somethingfrom Ed's conversation and I
look forward to the next onewith you.
And keep counting those dogsand keep running and we will see
(51:30):
you in the next one.
Bye, thanks for sharing anothermile with me today.
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progress and every dog you seeis bonus motivation.
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