Kayla Jury on Breaking the Rules: Why Being Nice to Yourself Makes You Faster

Join us for a transformative journey on the Dogs Per Mile podcast as we welcome our first guest, Kayla Jury. A former "mileage junkie" turned health coach, Kayla shares her liberating experience of letting go of traditional running metrics in favor of counting dogs per mile. Her refreshing mindset has reignited her passion for running, offering an invigorating perspective for both seasoned marathoners and those just getting started. You’ll hear how focusing on joy and embracing the unexpected in every run can bring genuine fulfillment and renewed purpose.

Ever wondered how to break free from the mental and physical exhaustion of chasing past performances? We’ve got you covered. We explore the challenges of returning to running after a hiatus, and how letting go of rigid goals led to newfound enjoyment and natural improvements. By moving away from metrics and instead soaking in the surroundings, running becomes more about exploration and less about pressure. Discover how this intuitive approach can transform running from a daunting task to a pleasurable routine, sparking joy in every stride.

Celebrate the vibrant community of women runners with us as we highlight the power of encouragement over competition. This episode champions the unity within the running world, urging us all to cheer on each other's unique journeys without judgment. Through personal stories and lighthearted reflections, we emphasize how positivity and kindness can lead to personal growth and inspire others. Plus, enjoy some quirky anecdotes and motivational tips that paint running in a whole new, joyful light, complete with whimsical musings on running as a scented "Go-Getter" candle with champagne notes.

Takeaways

• Embrace the joy in running and celebrate small victories.
• Growth points are essential for building positive momentum in fitness.
• It's important to focus on what makes you happy in your fitness journey.
• Community support can significantly enhance your running experience.
• Counting dogs during runs can add a fun element to your workouts.
• Mindset shifts are crucial for overcoming self-imposed limitations.
• You can only gain growth points; there are no negative points in your journey.
• Self-acceptance is key to enjoying running again after a break.
• Don't compare yourself to others; focus on your own progress.
• Running should be about enjoyment, not just metrics. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hey runners, welcome to the Dogs Per Mile podcast,
your weekly dose of runningreality.
Here we count dogs instead ofminutes and turn running stats
upside down.
I'm Bridget, your host,certified running coach and
creator of the Dogs Per Milemindset.
Here's the thing 13 years ago,I started my running journey,
like many of you, watching thestats on my garment and getting

(00:30):
discouraged when they didn'tmatch what they should be saying
.
That's when I discovered themagic of counting dogs in my run
, because sometimes the bestrunning stat isn't your pace or
distance.
Now, with over 50 halfmarathons, two marathons and
countless training runs under mybelt, I'm here to share a
different approach to running,one that breaks down mental
barriers, eases those pre-runanxieties and yes, includes a

(00:53):
weekly update of my personaldogs per mile count.
Whether you're lacing up forthe first time, getting back
into running after a break,struggling your training with
group fitness classes or chasingyour next PR, you've found your
people.
This is where we take thepressure off and put the joy
back in running, because everyrunner has a place here and

(01:21):
every dog site is worthcelebrating.
Hey runners, welcome back to theDogs Per Mile podcast.
I'm your host and running buddytoday, bridget, I am so fucking
excited because today's episodeis extra special.
It is our very first guest andI could not think of a better
person to kick this off withthan my friend, kayla Jury.
Fun fact, I actually met Kaylaabout five years ago when I won

(01:43):
an Instagram contest for 30 daysof free coaching, and well, I
just never stopped being herfriend after that.
Since then, I've watched hergrow a health coaching business.
I've watched her grow into anincredible coach for coaches, a
curriculum consultant and atotal badass who's developed an
amazing thing called CoachesCollege.

(02:03):
Now, if you're thinking this isjust another running podcast
where we're going to talk aboutsplits, pacing and training
plans nope, we are going to diveright into Kayla's journey from
being what she called a mileagejunkie like we're talking
multiple marathons over multipleweeks to completely stepping

(02:23):
away from running and nowfinding her way back, with a
totally different perspective,in New York City.
We're going to talk about whycounting dogs may be more
important than counting milesand what the hell growth points
are and why they've changed bothof our relationships with
running.
And just wait till you hearabout her record-breaking dawn
per mile count in New York.
It's wild.

(02:44):
So this is for anyone who'sever felt like they're just
running a certain distance oronly hitting a certain pace.
This episode is especially foryou.
Kayla brings this beautifulperspective about finding joy in
running again and celebratingevery single win, no matter how
small.
So whether you're a seasonedmarathon runner like Kayla, or

(03:06):
just starting out or somewherein between, grab your headphones
, maybe head out for a run andjoin us for this conversation
about redefining what success inrunning looks like.
And hey, if you're runningwhile listening, give yourself
some growth points for that.
Let's jump right in with Kayla.
Jump right in with Kayla.
Yay, my first guest.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Oh, this is so fun.
I am so super excited andliterally so honored to be here
today Like this just feels sofun and so special in like eight
different levels, so I'm reallyproud it's so whole.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
It's like the whole everything's coming whole circle
.
That's the phrase.
I forget it, but welcome.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Kayla.
Welcome Kayla.
Yeah, it feels like that.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
But welcome Kayla Welcome.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Kayla to the.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Dogs for Mile podcast .
Woo, woo, woo.
So happy to be here, thank you.
For anyone who doesn't know,which is probably everyone, I
met Kayla about five years agowhen I won an Instagram contest
to basically get 30 days of freecoaching, which I just never
stopped doing for years.

(04:07):
And Kayla was my health coachwhen we connected.
We both loved running, we bothloved being active in the
Pacific Northwest and over theyears I've just watched Kayla
grow into a health coach and nowa coach for coaches and her
coach's college and a curriculumconsultant and developer, and
with a just love of running,reading, especially harry potter

(04:30):
, and very good cocktails.
I'm always impressed with thecocktails she posts online or
where she finds them at, andshe's returning to running after
taking a break from running andis now advocating for approach
running that involves more selfself-acceptance and celebrating
those small victories, whichfits just perfectly with the
Dogs Per Mile mindset.

(04:51):
I'm so so excited to have youhere and to kind of talk about
your return to running and whatbrought you back and your whole
story.
So I think we should just startwith your running background.
So were you always a runner?
What was your runningbackground?
So were you always a runner?
What was your running originstory?

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, so, like you just shared when we first met,
which it's like when I thinkabout that, I'm like we've been
friends for so long now.
Like obviously it started as alike quote, unquote like working
relationship, but it's likewe've and even though, like, we
saw each other when we lived inPortland and then we got to like
reconnect in like Omaha andlike all sorts of different
things, so it's been so fun.
But when we first met, we kindof connected over our love of

(05:28):
running, because I used to run alot when I started running in
college and I remember beinglike if I could just run two
miles, then like I'll be able tobe a runner Right.
And once I hit that two milesand it's it's.
You know, you think back onthat time and how beautiful it
was in the very beginning, wheneverything was so new and
everything was so exciting, andI just remember what it would

(05:50):
feel like the first time I hitfour miles and then I kept like
going further and I feltstronger and I felt stronger and
I fell in love with it hard andso I ended up running a lot.
I used to joke and call myself amileage junkie.
A lot I used to joke and callmyself a mileage junkie.
If I had already done like myfour mile run or whatever I was
planning on doing that day andsomebody was like, hey, do you
want to run after work, I'd belike, oh yeah, absolutely, let's

(06:11):
go.
And I would just go run becauseit also was a really great time
for me in building communitywhen I first started and the
Portland Run community was sofun I don't.
When I was teaching.
At the time I had a lot ofteachers who were running, so I
ended up running a lot of longdistance, a lot of half
marathons, like you.
The DeCoste the relay race islike my favorite doing it every
year.
I ended up running quite a fewmarathons and there was a year

(06:33):
my last year of like intenselyrunning.
I ran four marathons in sixweeks or something like that.
Yeah, I didn't know that.
Holy shit something like that.
Yeah, I didn't know that.
Yeah, my mileage was just sohigh that my body was like I
thought about doing an ultra,which I try not to regret
anything.
But in hindsight I'm like youwere so primed to run an ultra

(06:56):
Because my body just could runso much high mileage all the
time that I'd been building upto.
And I just loved going out forlike 20 mile runs 16 to 20 mile
runs every weekend and so that'spart of my history.
But how I stopped running wasin that last year of running,
and this would have been beforewe met.

(07:17):
Still, yes, this would havebeen before we met, because my
like big running years were 2008to like 2014.
And I met my now husband, john,and he was a basketball player
and so for him, running waspunishment and so he'd tease me

(07:37):
about it all the time and Iloved running back then for the
way it made me feel.
It made me feel so strong, itmade me feel so capable.
It just it was such a greatfeeling and he lifted weights a
lot as, like coming from beingan athlete, and he was like, why
don't you just come to the gymand try it out?
And so we kind of started tohave this transition where I

(07:58):
would run not as far longdistance, plus, you know, it's
the beginning of a relationship.
We're like going on dates andstuff all the time so you don't
have 20, I don't have the timefor 20 miles every weekend
anymore, um, but I started goingto the gym with him and just
started lifting a lot and endedup just really transitioning
into lifting all the time andrunning just went down to like
three two mile runs a week.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
So that's kind of how that transition happened in my
running history, but interestingso it wasn't't like a planned
break, it was just kind of likeit slowly phased out.
You fell in love with anothermovement that brought you joy,
that made you excited, that madeyou feel powerful, but just in
a different way.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah, exactly, and that's why I was like I love
running so much.
But I think, at the core of it,I loved it because of feeling
powerful, feeling like I'mmoving, the way it makes your
brain feel, the way it makesyour body feel, and at that time
, too, it was so awesome becauseI had somebody to do it with
that was my partner.
And I know like you and Ed havedone races and things like that
together.
It's so special when you havethat time, so I really loved

(08:56):
doing that with John, but thenit got intense, because I ended
up you know, just like withrunning I couldn't just keep it
chill.
I ended up running tons ofmarathons, and I started getting
way faster, and, you know, Iwould.
Regionally, I wouldn't considermyself like elite competitive,
but I was very competitive, likein my age group.
I usually placed top three, Ihad a lot of like first place

(09:19):
wins in my age group, inPortland and stuff, and so it's
like, when I got into lifting,it's like I can't just go to the
gym.
So then I started competitivebodybuilding, and that, though,
was harder, and that's where Ithink the relationship with
running really changed, becausein that world, running is like
not okay, like you can't run nocardio, you're not allowed to
lift weights only build muscleonly, and that was a really

(09:42):
conflicting feeling.
That was uncomfortable, but inthat way, I felt like I was
forced to let go of running, andI remember making my prep
coaches allow me to run at leastonce a week, and they none of
them wanted to, and I was likeno, I want to run at least once
a week.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
I need to run, and that was a conversation we
always had.
Like, even when we talk aboutlike me lifting weights, I'm
like I have to go for a run or Iwill, I'm going to murder
someone.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
I need to do this, like I need that, that powerful
moment, and so, like Iunderstand that sort of mindset,
yeah, and what I think is soimportant is, like you were
saying, is like we we do all ofthese things for body shape
goals or health goals or veryspecific reasons, and so much of
what we do also has to justinclude what makes us happy, and
so I think that's a reallyimportant conversation, and you

(10:27):
were better at advocating foryourself and, of course, like
letting me know that than I wasfor myself in that time because
I'm also well, we both relate inthis where I'm like I'm a very
good student.
So if someone tells me what to,do, I'm going to do it yeah, but
I think that was also a reallygreat learning time because that
experience also helped me be abetter coach, too, knowing I was

(10:47):
like I don't like the way theydid, that I'm not doing it like
that.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, exactly, listening to the behind or like
the in between the words.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yes, yes, like behind the scenes or between the lines
, between the lines.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Thank you.
I was like between the words,not there.
I was like between the words,not there.
Now that you've moved to theother coast, the East Coast, I
know East Coast, west Coast,west Coast, but I grew up in the
East Coast, so I love, I lovethe East Coast.
It's just special.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
I've been loving it so much yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
This brought you wanting to start back into
getting into running.
What was the?
Was there a moment, a catalyst?

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, no-transcript.

(12:15):
Stride felt really good and howI would hit a certain pace and
when I you know I was, I wasrunning.
Like my easy runs were like 8,15.
Like that's so fast.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
to me it is.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
It's so fucking fast.
And then, just like my regularruns way back then when I was
running, a lot would be likeeasy 730.
Right, and then it was like Igot to the point where I would
accidentally run with thingsthat started with six, right,
and so when I got back intorunning that's what I was
thinking about I was thinkingabout I want to, thinking about

(12:50):
I want to, you know, I want to Ishould be running a 730 right
now.
My easy run should be 815.
And so I'd go out after notrunning for six months, or like
only running two miles threetimes for the last six months,
right, I would go out and try todrop 730s on a five mile run
and it just crushes you.
It feels bad in your body, itfeels bad in your mind because
it's so hard, like you're soreforever after.
And I was like why, and youknow.
Then you beat yourself up andyou're like you're not good,

(13:11):
you're never going to be thatagain.
And when that was happening, Ialso no one is surprised by this
Got injured every time, yeah,and the funniest thing is like
you're the one who set the ruleson you.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
No one put those rules on you.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
No one.
And also no one fucking knows,no one cares, and I'm the one
who set the rule on myself.
So it literally took meprobably two years to get to
where I am right now, because Ikept going on this roller
coaster of trying to be fast,trying to like.
It's been my dream to live herefor so long.
Yeah, and what runner hasn'timagined themselves running in
Central Park Like everyone?
Everyone listening has beenlike yep, they can see
themselves right now runningthrough Central.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Park in the fall, going around the loop, and
everything, the hills, yeah, orone of the tracks, like one of
the ones by the water.
Any of those yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Any of those.
Or like the West Side Highway Ifinally got a run on it and
it's like even right now I justremembered when I said that like
the first time I turned thecorner onto the West Side
Highway and was you're lookingat Jersey and my heart just like
swells with like oh, thatemotion.
But so when we moved here, Iwas like I just have to start
running again.
You just have to do it, kayla.

(14:24):
But I immediately, when we veryfirst started moving here,
still dropped back and I'm likeinto that mindset of but you
have to be able to run I also,in order to like run to Central
Park and around it, it's likewell, to run one lap around
Central Park it's like six miles, and if I'm going to run there,
you know it's like I instantlyhave to be able to run far and
all of these things.
And so when I very firststarted I was like this is hard.

(14:45):
It was also 90 degrees and 90percent humidity, so yeah,
you're not used to the humidity.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
from the West Coast to the East Coast, it slaps you
in the face real hard.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
But you would think me watching you.
I would like have thought aboutit, or you go through that
transition.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
I'm like no, no, I'm better than the humidity.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
As a runner.
Your previous runner was likeno, I'm better than this, I'm
better than that.
Yeah, no, that's what you think, but you're like no, absolutely
not.
So that was kind of a strugglemoving here in June.
But I had this click and mycoach honestly helped me a lot
with this, but she was like whatwould happen if you didn't go?
Try to run a certain distance?
She's like what if you justlike went on a run and wherever
you went is where you went?
And whenever you came home,she's like if it was one mile,

(15:29):
if it was three, if it waswhatever, like what if you just
didn't do that?
And I was like or what do youmean?
Because, also, I had alreadystructured.
I was like this is the marathonI'm there, this is the half
marathon I'm going, but I haveto run five miles as a long run
and it has to be increasing by10% every week and you know all
that baloney.
That's helpful, but helpful ina certain mindset, right.

(15:50):
And so she convinced me to justgive up all of that and, oh my
God, it was wild how immediatelyI was like increasing my
mileage, how immediatelyeverything felt easy, how
immediately and it's because ofwhat you talk about where,
instead of me running looking atmy watch and thinking about
what are my like, what's mycadence, what's my stride per

(16:12):
minute, I was just like, oh myGod, look at that restaurant
over there.
We should try that.
Or oh yeah, look at thedecorations inside there.
What is that place?
Or running on the waterfrontand I'm like, I'm like, oh my
god, I live in New York City,right or to your tune, like I
did also practice little dogcounting and that got a little
crazy and we'll share that storylater.

(16:33):
But yeah, it gets wild.
Yeah, but that was like the bigchanges, very literally looking
around and being like how doesthis Just on all the levels, and
it changed everything.
And all of a sudden after thatI was running, like I got back,
like I'm already back to runninglike 8.45s, 8.30s for like my

(16:54):
easy run.
I'm like how did that happen?
Because before I was like 9.30and 9.45, felt so horrible.
And in two months, like justlike that, and I ran like a
seven mile to seven mile longruns.
I'm gonna I might do eight onTuesday just explore to run to
run club and then run with runclub and then train back yeah,
so yeah.

(17:14):
It's amazing, just likefollowing your suit and looking
at the joy of it changedeverything about the whole thing
it's almost like when I used torun on my garment.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
I would keep like the pace and like all those sort of
stats on there, and the daythat I decided that I was just
going to change it to the timelike.
I'd go bump back one screen andall I could see that it was
like 6.42 in the morning.
That like changed everythingbecause I wasn't like looking at
it constantly, just letting itdo its own thing.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
So you're always doing that in your brain.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
You're like basically moving the screen in your brain
to just whatever you want thatto be whatever's fun.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Sometimes I would, and I know that, like for me,
I'm not attached to this number,but I would do that too and I
would toggle my watch to myheart rate and because I I do
recognize my heart rate, but Idon't feel attached to it the
same way I do miles or pace,definitely not the same way I
feel paced, but it did also helpme be like, yeah, you're just
out, you running easy, likeyou're not trying to like go do
anything, and so that kind ofhelped me be like this is just

(18:06):
like easy enough, like not a bigdeal.
But I know for other people thatmight not be so helpful,
because for some people heartrate is like obviously, if
they're heart rate training orsomething, that wouldn't be a
thing for them.
But I like that idea ofswitching your and toggling your
watch away.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, I like that.
We all have like our like onestat that like that's like the
stat that we get a little toofocused on.
Like it could be pace, it couldbe distance, it could be heart
rate, like you said, takecadence and we just get too
locked in and worried.
Mine is like how far did I go?
Like that's what I'm always likewell, oh, I only like that was
what I talked about the otherday I only ran four miles
because I was like planning ongoing for five, I'm going for

(18:41):
five.
And so I texted her I'm turningaround at two miles because I'm
only going for four.
And then, as soon as I saidthat, I was like what the fuck,
why am I?
Saying only Makes no sense.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yes, I love that.
I think I like super cheeredand responded to that on your
Instagram.
I was like yes, this is so good,our language is so important
and I think that's one of thethings and that's one of the
things I like to teach mycoaches in our training is
because that's language istrained in us, not because only
just inherently we think thatway about like it does feel like

(19:10):
I only did this because I wasplanning on doing something else
.
But we're kind of trained bythat in the world and so I teach
my coaches to like put wordslike that in the graveyard, and
so I love that you made thatpost.
You're like no more, just nomore only yeah, so good.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
So, like my mom will ask like, oh, how far did you
run?
And I like to do it jokingly,but then it also at the same
time it's just toxic in my brain.
I'm just making myself feelbetter because I'm like, oh, I
just ran 10 miles and she justgiggles and thinks it's funny.
I'm like, oh, I should not saythat because it she thinks it's
funny, but other people are likethat sounds so like.
Or like, oh, I just ran youknow five miles like whoa.
Well, I'm trying to run a mile,so I guess I fucking suck yeah,

(19:48):
yeah, exactly, though.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
I think there's sometimes the fun in the
response of like feeling like 10miles isn't far and other
people being like what?

Speaker 1 (19:58):
that is.
That is I am guilty of.
That is one of my favoritethings, like oh, I ran five
miles this morning and just likewanting a response, I'm like
that's a little bit, but it alsois fun.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
I think that's like a safe, fun thing, like and I
think, for instance, like Johnas he's not a runner, he loves
to always be like you are socrazy in the best way.
What the fuck?
You ran nine miles today.
What's going on?
And I love that he gets me ahype person, so, like with your
mom, I feel like that's, that'slike the perfect, safe place to
do that and know that it'sthat's like the relationship is

(20:29):
they give you that hype.
So I think that's okay.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
It's like knowing your audience when you say those
sort of things, like if you'resaying it to someone who's
starting out, you would neversay that to someone starting out
yeah, yeah, but if it'ssomebody who either is, you have
that relationship.
I think that's.
That's different so you'vemoved away from like traditional
metrics, splits, everythinglike that.
Was there any?
Like you said, the I wasunexpected.
You were just like, after twomonths, started to pick up speed
without like really consciouslyputting in the effort do you

(20:56):
think it?
was just because you releasedthe stress from your brain that
you had those expectations onyourself and those rules.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
I think, I think it's one of those things where, when
you focus on something so muchlike, for instance, I'm like,
okay, well, I know, if I'mrunning like a 930, easy, I want
to get to nine, and then I'mlike focused on just like trying
to stick around nine, but whenI was like how about you just
let your body do whatever itwants, and then I get back and
I'm like holy shit.
I ran to 836 miles and an 845mile because I was just feeling

(21:26):
my body and I think we holdourselves back like that in so
many like subconsciousunconscious ways.
It could be like on a test,you're like, ok, well, I know I
only really average Bs, so if Icould just get a B on this test.
And then you're likeself-fulfilling prophecy of like
making yourself just get a B,you know.
And so I kind of think it wasthat I think my mind was focused

(21:47):
on something and so I wastraining or like forcing myself
to just do that thing, whereit's like my body's like hey,
actually, if you just like getthat block out of the way, we
can do more.
If you just respect me andallow me, we could do more.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah, if you could just give me a little bit of
grace, that'd be nice yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, there was to be a little nicer to myself.
Yes, so there was something.
I remember posting this longtime ago when I was still doing
health coaching, but it was apost.
Something along the lines ofand it resonates so much now
that we're talking about this islike me for myself, is it was
something like why would yourbody do what you want it to like
?
Obviously, it's referringlosing weight, if you're mean to

(22:26):
, if you're like saying meanthings to it all the time yeah,
if you're like, you're ugly,you're fat, you're this.
Why would your body be like?
Okay, yeah, I'll go do what youwant no exactly your body's
like in order to, in order toget anybody to do what you want,
the first key thing is be niceto them.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
So yeah, exactly like .
It's like going up to like ahotel counter and you're like
just an asshole to them.
They're like okay, well, here'syour room, that's all you get
or you're nice, the dirty smallone that's that's next to the
elevator, like enjoy.
You're hearing that the entirenight versus.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
if you're nice, they'll be like you know what?
We have an upgrade for you.
Actually, true story john and Iget free stuff all the time
just because we're nice.
Like exactly Same All the time.
Yeah, I'm like.
They're like do you guys wantanother round?
Just on us.
We're like yeah, we do.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yes, absolutely, if it's free.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
it's for me.
I'm here.
That's like a very cute tagline.
It sounds very good together.
That's so funny.
I love that so much.
Yeah, I think the other thing,though, that was really helpful
is this as we're talking aboutlike and I'm relating a lot of
this back to coaching and someof the coaching practices is,
there's something that I usedfor my clients and teach my
clients use, and now teaching mycoach to you coaches to use is

(23:39):
really just building like thatpositive momentum, because when
we are saying mean things.
it's just so negative and youaren't motivated Like.
Everybody knows that.
You can maybe be a little bitmotivated with anger, like some
David Goggins shit like sack thefuck up, you little bitch,
let's go right Like every oncein a while, but largely we're
motivated by positivity.
We're motivated by what feelsgood.

(24:01):
We're motivated by knowing we'redoing it and it's working.
And it's so hard to see thatsometimes, especially when
you're looking at all themetrics, when you're looking and
I'm like, well, my pace stillisn't 845 and I'm looking so far
away at the end goal and thatwas like my big problem, right
as I was trying to be running730s and 845s and running 10

(24:22):
miles and 13 miles immediately.
That's what I was looking at.
Yeah, but one of the thingsthat I think is really important
is thinking about what is thereis so many steps between here
and there and looking at eachlittle one and it's like, okay,
well, really, truly, my goal isto not go start trying to run a
730.
My goal is to actually justyeah, and so that in itself is a

(24:46):
win and I call that growthpoints, where you get to like.
That's a point.
That's like, if you're addingit up like as a score, I'm like
plus one.
Plus one today because I justran, period Right.
Plus another one today becauseI ran when it was hot outside.
Plus another one today becauseI ran and the shirt I wanted to
wear was in the laundry, rightmy favorite sports bra was dirty

(25:08):
, honestly.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
I'm chafed because I yeah, mine was yesterday.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yeah, because I had to run in the sports bra.
I don't like and it chafed me,but all of those things, all of
those things matter, and theyalmost matter more, because it's
like building your resilience,but we never count that.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
No, and I that's what I love is like.
I ran last week and it wasfucking pouring rain yeah,
pouring buckets but I like wentout because of that, because I
was like I want to get thattough run out of my brain.
I was on my period I had crampsmy stomach was dying and it was
pouring rain and any otherperson would have said I'm just
going to stay inside or I'm justnot going to do anything and I

(25:52):
wanted those.
like points is like what Ithought was like oh, I get extra
credit points because you and Iare A students and we want to
do everything we can.
I get extra credit because Iran in the rain.
I did extra credit because Iran when I was on my period and
I had cramps.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
I get points for that .
We just never give ourselvescredit for that and we need
credit for any time we don'tfeel like it, any time.
Even if we do feel like it andwe go do it, you're like that's
still a plus one.
It was just, it still counts,yeah.
And I think, yeah, we justdon't do enough counting.
So that's what I started doingis focusing on what I call
growth points and I'm like okay,you got a plus one here, a plus

(26:20):
one there, and then it gave mesomething for us type A people,
because we like to tabulate, welike to cross off, we like to
you know.
Then it's still even a numberright Numerical.
And it's like, and you can evenbreak it down, but you have
control over that number versuspace and everything you don't
control, yeah, and so it's alsovery much like your plus ones

(26:40):
could be anything related, likeyour plus one could be what you
ate after to refuel.
It could be what you ate beforeto fuel up, right, like all of
those things count.
And then you start to see howit adds up and you're like, wait
, I actually got plus three justtoday because it was raining.
I was on my period I evenstretched and foam rolled after
or something crazy Like all ofit counts.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
I love that and I use that in so many ways and I just
I don't realize I'm using ituntil now.
I think it's just really greatto like you get to define what
the growth mindset are, and theycould be things that you want
to work on, Like you talkedabout foam rolling and
stretching.
So like I am getting close to40 and I apparently need to foam
roll and stretch four runs, youcan't just bop out there

(27:23):
hungover.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Doesn't work that way anymore not, it doesn't bounce
back.
No, so like oh I treated mybody with respect.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
I get extra points because I got to the gym early
and I foam rolled and I did alike a little warm-up run, so I
get points for that yeah, I loveI think.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
I just think it's so, so powerful.
I really do, and I think it'ssomething that's benefited me a
lot, and the thing that's coolabout it, too, is you can apply
it everywhere in life.
Like the plus one system goeseverywhere.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
And I think it's also nice because it is unique to
you and it allows you not to getfocused on the other people,
because I don't know if you'relike me.
Every person I know, wheneverthey've run a race, I find their
bib number.
I, every person I know,whenever they've run a race, I
find their bib number, I findthe race and I look at how fast
they ran, because I apparentlyjust want to know my faster or
slower than you and I think thatkind of like takes that

(28:12):
comparison out, because youdon't know what they if that run
was harder for them.
So I think it helps you notcompare yourself to others and
the worst, comparing it to pastyou, because I think a lot of
times we forget how many growthpoints we had to get to get to
that point because you weretalking about oh, I'm expecting
my problem right, what exactly?
like if you think, like when youfirst started running, you
weren't running 730s, or maybeyou were, I wasn't, no.

(28:34):
And when the first time I likewhen I finally got up to there,
I was like you forget how manygrowth point steps you had to
get to get to that point.
When you start over, you assumethat it's oh, I've done it
before, I can do it again.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
I love that point though, because also one the
thing too is like growth pointsare cumulative forever.
Because think about, like whenI did very first start running,
it probably took me like athousand growth points to like
do a four mile run, where now,to get to a four mile run, it
wouldn't take me a thousandgrowth points because they're
still inherently part of whatI've already accomplished.

(29:08):
So I can do it now because ofthat in 500 or 200 or something,
you know.
That's kind of like thatthought where it's like
cumulative literally forever too.
Yes, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
And that way, like parents who have kids and I
don't have kids to wake me up inthe middle of night you get you
get points for just getting arun in at that time um, I also
liked what you said aboutcomparison.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
So I don't necessarily or at least right
now, I'm not in a season whereI'm comparing other races, maybe
because I haven't run one in solong.
Uh, I definitely used to dothat, but I would say the one
place that gets me every time ifI'm running on a treadmill next
to a stranger like in the gym.
I'm just like what are they?

Speaker 1 (29:48):
what are they running ?
I'm sure you were the same atOrange Theory when you we both
went at the same time as we'relike, oh, what are you running?
What are you running, oh ohyeah, no matter.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Every single time in Orange Theory I was like, and
every time I'm like I want tohear the uh instructor behind me
being like nice touch, and I'mlike I want to hear the
instructor behind me being likenice touch.
And I'm like, yeah, you betterhave just seen me increase the
speed on my treadmill.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
That's me in Pilates class.
I'm like, oh, there's achallenge.
Okay, yeah, I can totally dothat.
I'm like, maybe, maybe not, butthat's a growth point.
Sometimes that's a way to turnthat kind of like toxic, sort of
like competitive nature into agrowth point.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Like, oh, I took the challenge, or I took the coach's
instruction, if you're intogroup fitness or I took their
recommendation yeah, yeah andagain, like you said, and then
it makes it just what I did,just about you, which I think is
really powerful, so good.

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Speaker 2 (31:12):
I'm so glad that I'm not the only person that just
like looks at me, what are youdoing over there?
I know we are not the onlypeople, everybody, everybody
listening and tuning in rightnow is like nodding.
They're like guiltily like.
So no guilt, no shame, that'sjust what we do, nope.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Nope, and the thing I have to remind people is like
so people who are getting intothese things and they see people
thinking that they're thinkingabout them.
We're not looking at you andthinking bad about you.
I want to make that reallyclear.
Like if you look at someone andthink we are basically saying
like oh okay, I don't wantanyone to not want to get to a
class or not want to go for arun because they think
everyone's looking at them orjudging them.
I was like no, this is allinternal about us.

(31:47):
We're very self-centeredsometime at this moment and
that's okay, because we're notjudging you.
I don't want people to thinkthat I can't go to this Orange
Theory class or I can't go for arun because they're looking at
how fast I'm going and thinkingwow, you're so slow, look how
much faster I am.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah, much faster I am.
Yeah, it's literally not aboutthe other person at all.
It's about what can I do tomake myself more awesome today?
It has nothing like and itdoesn't even matter who the
person is or what they're doing,it's just like okay, are they
doing something that could makeme challenge myself?
Like you said, accept thechallenge.
That's more what it is.
It has nothing to do with yeahthe person.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
So, yes, don't be scared, go, please go do the
thing.
And also, a lot of times we'recomparing it to what ourselves
we do.
It's like, oh well, last week.
I was able to run this.
Yesterday, I was able to runthis, so we're not comparing it
to you a lot of times we're alsocomparing it to ourselves.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, yeah.
Which again is also it's justthe balance.
It's the balance of figuringout and in almost everything it
could be, people in the worldare really good at using things
against themselves, right, likewe're all pretty guilty of that.
Like if you see, for instance,some other girl and she runs a

(32:59):
730 half marathon, we can eitherlook at that and say, oh fuck
me, I'm not that fast.
We could also look at it andsay, look at that possibility,
look what I can create, becauseshe did it too Exactly.
And I think it's just one ofthe things in the world to just
practice how we use theinformation that's around us.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
What's the?

Speaker 2 (33:19):
point in even thinking of it in a negative way
, when we could always just makeit positive Again, that
positive momentum, that's whatwe want to build changing the
mindset and changing thelanguage, that how we talk about
it and how we think about it.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Like I know, I have a friend and she's so fast and I
I'm just so impressed.
She's a nurse, she has fivekids and she is just so fast, is
doing london, is doing the newyork city, half.
She got in and she just bustout like nine, like nine, oh, at
OTF, and I'm like, oh, holyshit, that's if I got it all out

(33:51):
at nine, oh, I was so proud ofmyself, I was like high-fiving
and I not once think anythingbad about her.
I think that's potential, Icould get there.
Look at this.
Yes, mom, who can get there?
I can get there.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Yes, but there's so much.
I have two things to say.
One oh my God, I bet she waslike pushing kids in a stroller
while she's running, and everytime I see it, every time I see
someone do that, I'm like youare amazing.
I literally just like yell atthe person like something
encouraging.
I'm like you are so strong andamazing.
This is awesome.
But the second thing, too, islooking at her and having her be

(34:33):
potential is also so powerfulfor her and for you and for,
like all women in general in theworld Like we just need to be
doing that to support everybody,because when I, when I was
running and I was like fasterbefore I also had a running blog
.
And I remember writing a blogpost that was like my most
viewed one ever, and it was onlike the apparently
controversial topic.
Well, I thought I was reallybothered by people saying this.
There's like two camps and itseems like they're split down

(34:55):
the line there are the peoplewho are quote unquote slower,
and then the people who arequote unquote faster, right, and
the people who were faster.
I remember hearing the quoteunquote fast people talking
about the slow people andcalling them hobby joggers and I
was like, excuse me, they areall still runners, but on the
flip side I also like and foreverybody listening, I'm totally

(35:19):
doing air quotes because thereis no fast, there is no right.
So then, like the slow groupused to call the fast group fast
holes, like assholes.
And I'm just like can we justall be runners, like I just
leave it that way, like becausethere can be so much judgment,
so why not just yes cheer foreverybody.
See it as a possibility andeverybody needs to be encouraged

(35:39):
versus torn down.
There's just too much of thatin the world Exactly.
Especially down.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
There's just too much of that in the world, exactly
Especially right now, we can wetear ourselves down so much?
We don't need to tear otherpeople down, absolutely not.
There's so much wasted energy.
You want more energy to go fora run?
Yes, stop tearing everyonefucking down.
Stop tearing yourself down.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
You'll have more energy, I promise.
Yeah, get that middleman out ofthere, just like.
Don't even have thoseconversations with anybody, like
.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Like you said, waste of time, waste of energy, the 15
minutes.
You're like bitching aboutsomething.
You could have already run amile and a half, so go Exactly,
exactly.
I love that.
I love that Now that you're inNew York.
City, you are lucky enough tobe able to see a lot more dogs
than I am in the suburbs.

(36:20):
Well, not even the suburbs, butso I need to.
You sent me an Instagram videohuffing and puffing because you
would.
I think you had literally juststopped the watch and hit record
.
It couldn't have been more thanseconds later telling me about
your record-breaking dogs permile run, so I need to know more
about it.
What happened?

Speaker 2 (36:38):
everything.
This was so crazy.
And that whole run I remember.
As I started getting into it Iwas like, oh my God, I should
text Bridget right now and tellher how many dogs I've already
seen.
And I was only like three milesinto my run, because this was
one of my seven miles likelonger runs, and I was like, no,
no, no, just wait, because whatif you see more?
There's like four more miles.
And then, after like three moremiles or like one more mile, I

(36:59):
was like, oh my God, have tojust call like.
I should just call her whileI'm running or send her a voice
memo or send her a thing.
I was like this is crazy.
I was like you know what,you're just gonna wait till the
end.
So I um, I do think the reasonwhy maybe it ended up being such
an epic dog run is because Iwas going at like Thursday
morning at 8 am and I thinkeverybody was taking their dogs
out before work.
They there, there's.

(37:19):
No, I think about this all thetime, and just for like, like
the audience's perspective.
I'm a cat person, so I don'tnormally count dogs for run, but
of course I love Bridget andBridget like promotes this and
I've been practicing joy.
So I was like, oh, I'm going tostart doing it.
So I got on this run and whereI live in Williamsburg there's a
waterfront park that I runalong and there's just

(37:40):
apartments everywhere where Ilive.
So, and there's just apartmentseverywhere where I live, so it
just has to be the issue.
And then I went up further intoanother neighborhood called
Greenpoint, and then I came backand I ran past a larger park.
And I just want to clarify tomy knowledge, I did not go to a
dog park.
I just feel like that has to besaid, but I did pass by the

(38:02):
waterfront park.
I ran through it, but it's likeit's New York, so it's not like
a lawn Well, I mean, there issome grass, but there's also
like a volleyball net and likemostly cement.
And then I ran.
I did not go through the otherpark on purpose because after I
started getting into countingthe dogs I was like that would
have to be cheating becausepeople are probably walking
their dogs in the park, the bigpark.
And so when I first wanted tomessage Bridget, like I said, I

(38:27):
thought about it multiple timesI was two, maybe two miles into
my run and I'd already seen 36dogs and I was like what is
happening?
I think like there was, theywere just like everywhere.
And then I started realizingthat so many people were like
walking two dogs at a time and Iwas like is that cheating?
Because and then I'm like these, some of these people have to

(38:48):
be like hired dog walkers, causesome people had like four dogs.
And so then I kept going andthe second time I'd seen 52 and
I was like that's when I waslike I have to like call you,
send you a video message orsomething.
By the time I looped around andI will say the waterfront had
the most because it started toslow down at like actual dogs
per mile not the average, but bythe time I got home I remember,

(39:09):
or even before that I rememberlike approaching 70.
And I was like, oh my God, am Igoing to get into like triple?

Speaker 1 (39:17):
digit dog numbers.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
But I ended up with 98 and I was just beside myself,
I almost just like ran anotherblock, just to be like where are
two more dogs?
Where are two more dogs?

Speaker 1 (39:29):
They have done that.
I was like, oh, come on,because I'm an even numbers
person, I wanted to divideevenly, and or just said
something ridiculous 98.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Yeah, I started doubting myself.
I'm like am I crazy?
Did you pass by?
Am I counting right?
Yeah, I was like did I forget?
Did I mess up?
If anything, I bet that I wouldhave erred under, because if I
thought that I had already like,I was like no, no, no, you're
thinking the next one was 15.
So you are only at 14.
So, if anything, maybe.
I did see over 100, but I madesure to err under, not over,

(39:58):
because I was like this is crazyand I and I didn't even do like
an out and back.
It was a loop, it was like abig circle wild.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
I can't believe it, like amazing.
I just want I feel like Ishould get an award.
You should send me an award.
I should definitely make you anaward for that.
I think it and it's fun becauseit just brings you such for me.
It brings me joy when I see itbecause I'm like I get get all
excited because I mean I'm I'm adog person.
So then you were talking aboutlike, oh, I don't know if this
is cheating, and that's the bestpart about it is the rules,
just like the growth points, areyours to set.
You can set your own rules.

(40:33):
I have different rules forraces and I have different rules
for runs Runs.
If I see that dog more thanonce, he counts once In a race,
all bets are off.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
If I see that same dog three times because they've
gone to mile three, seven andfour, it doesn't matter, it
counts multiple times.
Also, it should count multipletimes because that other
person's putting in work tospectate, so everybody counts
that.
Yeah, I like that.
So funny side note spectatingthe New York Marathon was wildly
amazing.
Everyone should do that intheir life every runner should
go watch New York Marathon.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
I.
I've lived in New England myentire life and never went to
the Boston Marathon.
My brother does the paramedicsfor it, so he's at the finish
line.
So he has Boston Marathonpackets for being a volunteer
yeah, and.
I told him I was like if you,if you ever get a bib, if they
ever give you one, I will takethat off your hands in a

(41:24):
heartbeat.
He has not yet that for you,yep.
I got it.
Do you need money for that?
I will, here you go.
It's fantastic.
I love that, though I'm I'm, sohave you.
So you have you counted dogs inany of your other runs since
the record-breaking run, or youjust haven't seen that many?

Speaker 2 (41:42):
I've done it a couple times but honestly I was like
that was so many dogs that it'slike overwhelming to like go
count them again, because I'mrunning like the same route and
I'm like.
So there was another run whereit was like 60 or something like
that and I was like it's justso many, it's so many dogs I did
.
There were some dogs that Icount that were like two blocks
away that I could see.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Like I still count.
Yeah, I'll do that, I count it.
I'll count dogs that are incars, like I was.
Like one time I had a dog thatwas and you could see his head
through the sunroof.
I was like you count you 100%count, because look at you,
buddy.
Yeah.
Yeah, and then I'll make apoint if I see like a golden
retriever or mini Aussie, ifthey look like my dogs, I'm like
oh, you're extra points.
Or if it's a person I know andit's their dogs, like, you count

(42:23):
extra.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
I love that I should have counted.
I did see a cat in a backpackonce and I was like you should
be worth five for me, since Ilike cats.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
I saw someone walking a cat on a leash and I was like
, I was like I saw this manydogs and one cat question mark.
Question mark it's strange.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
I wish my cats would walk on leashes.
They don't like it.
I tried.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
I'm that weird lady that doesn't 0% of me is
surprised by the fact that youtried to get them to walk.
You're like come on.
And they're like fuck you.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
No, I tried a lot, do you?

Speaker 1 (42:52):
know who we are.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yeah, they're like we don't.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
We don't want to do.
They can do as they please ascats do.
I have some just funrapid-fired questions that I'd
like to ask you about runningand just kind of see your
thoughts, your opinions oranything like that.
So what is your?
I'm crushing this run songversus the.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Please God, let this run in song in your playlist God
, let this run in song in yourplaylist.
The song that comes to my mindI'm crushing this run song is I
love ACDC's Back in Black andit's maybe not crushing this,
but it's, I'm going to crushthis.
That's always my very firstsong on the playlist.
And it just like amps me up somuch.

(43:41):
My, please, let me finish thisrun song.
I don't listen to too muchmusic when I run and I would say
that actually, my, please, letme finish this run.
I wouldn't be listening tomusic.
It would be literally DavidGoggins, would be like you are
it's David Goggins voice.
If he made a song, it would behim.
That's my answer, just yes yes,it is.

(44:02):
It's so true, your weekend planswere a weather forecast what
would it predict, like as inwhat that, like what the weather
would be?
I love this question.
Yeah, okay the weather would beovercast, um, but bright.
So like, not like dark,overcast, overcast, but bright,
no wind, no, slight light breeze, not wind, slight light breeze

(44:28):
and, like I'm thinking, runningspecific weather, and probably
like 48 degrees.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Right.
So what?
Yeah, what is your perfectrunning outfit in that weather
then?
Do you do shorts, do you doleggings?

Speaker 2 (44:49):
right now I'm wearing leggings a lot, but I think I'm
just like overdressing, but Iwould either wear leggings.
Okay, that makes me have liketwo answers, because I also
really love shorts and a sportsbra which would be like 55.
So, 48 really love shorts and asports bra which would be like
55.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
So 48 to 55 shorts and a sports bra or leggings and
like a T-shirt, what is your?
I'm definitely an adult grocerycart item versus I'm actually
going to treat my body right.
Post long run cart or you'regoing out of the bodega.
You just did a long run.
What's your good decision orquote-unquote bad decision?

Speaker 2 (45:28):
because there's no bad decisions, it's just what
you're feeling, okay.
Well, how I see this is likewhen I'm not post long run, I
just make decisions sodifferently than when I am, but
I would say, um, when it's meright now, not long run, the
meal that I've been makingthat's so good is almost like an
egg white frittata with likewhole grain toast.
So freaking good, with like awhole egg on it.

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So it's like baked with fetacheese and that's really good.
But after a long run, when I'mreally hungry, the thing that I
always crave is like the biggestfucking burrito ever, Like I
crave protein and cheese and atortilla and like I could eat
the whole thing.
Or like huevos rancheros,something like that.
It's just like I don't know.
Maybe it's like the carbs, theprotein, like all of it.

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I just need a big ass burrito.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
So post long run, you are savory versus like a sweet.
Oh, absolutely Got it.
So what's the most chaoticthing you've ever had to tie
your hair up with on a run?
Or were you able to run withyour hair down?
You show up, you pull your hair, the hair tie snaps.
What the fuck do you do?

Speaker 2 (46:30):
I just also watching the New York marathon.
I was like why are so manypeople running with their hair
down?
I kept being like I would justlike stare and I'm like, well,
how are they doing that?
Okay, I've used this is thevision that's coming to my mind
and in my mind I'm like there'sno way this can be accurate.
I'm I've definitely done likewith no hair tie, where you like

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try to make like a tight windand like one bobby pin and like
pin it to your head with onebobby pin.
I've done that.
But it's coming to my mindwhere I've used like a paper
clip as a bobby pin before andthere's no way it worked.
There's no way that worked.
But I would say, out of thingsthat work like a rubber band,

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but there's no way that worked.
Yeah, I probably was runningwith my hair down because I feel
like I have that image in mymind.
What's?

Speaker 1 (47:20):
yours.
I definitely have just likebraided my hair as tight as
possible and, I think, justgrabbed as much hairspray as
possible and was like thoughtsand prayers spray the shit out
of it, matte it down and justsprayed it out.
If your running motivation wasa scented candle, what would it
be called?

Speaker 2 (47:39):
oh, that's fun, actually, look at my scented
candle right.
What would it be called?
Oh, that's fun, actually.
Look at my scented candle righthere, I literally have this.
It's called Go-Getter, it's it.
Then the subline is featuringbubbly notes of champagne and
success.
And so yeah, champagneGo-Getter.
I think this candle itselfworks.
I like that.
That's so funny, I love thatthe body changes.

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So good.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Okay, my last one is what is your most memorable
growth point moment?
That's a great question.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
I.
It's so funny my mind jumps toso many things that aren't even,
like, necessarily runningrelated.
There's been so many amazinggrowth things that have happened
this year in moving to New Yorkand just how I've changed as a
person.
So what is my most memorablegrowth point moment?

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If it were running related, Iwould say that it would either
be the growth point moments thatstand out the most to me and
there's a handful of them aretimes so funny, like thinking
about the theme of this.
Well, it makes sense, after thetheme of this podcast and all
what growth points mean, why itwould be defined this way.

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But is when I ran, for instance, the San Francisco Women's
Marathon.
I ran it for just fun and Iremember it was just so fun to
do and there were so many peopleand I went down with a run
group that I was with at thetime and so there were so many
people there cheering on.
There was like a group of like30 of us that were all there and

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I remember it was one of mybest marathon performances.
It was one of those four thatwere in like the six weeks or
whatever.
And then I remember after thatI went back on the course and my
body felt so good I justcheered for like the next like
two or three hours, everybodyelse coming in, and that just
like running for fun, and havingit be such like a and I'm

(49:37):
putting this in massive quotes,quote unquote easy marathon yeah
, but doing it just because Iloved it and having it be almost
my PR on a hilly ass course waslike super, super cool to go
into that just running for joy.
Another one would be the one ofthe last marathon.
My second to last marathon I'verun was a trail marathon and

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that was like a feat of mentalgrit.
It was in November at SilverFalls State Park.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
It was a flood of mud .
Oh, I was just thinking it wasthat one.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Yeah, and getting through that and continuing like
there haven't been a lot ofthings where I was like I think
I'm going to DNF, like at mile19,.
I was like I think I shouldpull out at this aid station and
I was like you are good, likeyou can do this, let's keep

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going.
And I just it was such abeautiful race in terms of just
like where we were and I thinkin terms of like my
determination, I think I givemyself lots of growth points for
that race.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Yeah, I love that, Kayla.
Thank you so much for coming ontoday.
So what key points do you wantthe listeners to take away, take
home, to put into practice withtheir own?

Speaker 2 (50:51):
running.
What are some measurement toolsthat you type?
A person who loves to liketrack things can track.
That will build positivemomentum.
And one thing I will say thatwe didn't say earlier but
everybody know is we didn't say,oh, I didn't do that today, so
it's a negative point.
There's no such thing.

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They're growth points.
They only go plus.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Only go plus.
You're not losing points fornot going for a run.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
You're not losing points because it was dark and
you were cold and you didn't getout.
You don't lose points, you canonly gain them, nope, and you
probably get a growth pointthere for rest.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
So there you go.
Yes, but you probably, youprobably needed it.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Yes, so I would say that I would say the growth
points, I would say the joy, Iwould say focusing on, yeah, the
positive momentum and thegrowth points, and I think that,
yeah, it's perfect with whatyou share all the time too.
Add dogs in there, count yourdogs.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Yeah, have fun.
Where can people find moreabout you?
Where?

Speaker 2 (51:52):
can they follow you?
Where can they learn about whatyou do?
I love to be on Instagram.
Instagram's my favorite place.
You can find me there atitskaylajury, so, like it's
I-T-S, and then my name, kaylaJury, no-transcript, so that is

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really important and helpful andfun as well.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Or if you've ever thought about being a coach and
you don't have any clients yet,which is what I have gone
through me and Kayla have done aFrameShop workshop.
So if you've thought aboutbeing a coach and you're like,
well, I don't have any clientsyet, I can't do this, yet Kayla
says, fuck that, you can stillbe a coach.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
And we're going to set you up to get clients yes.
So I would say, yeah, she willhelp you.
Yeah, coaches, college and theFramework Workshop I really
found that I've loved workingwith people who are newer and
beginning.
And because I'm reallypassionate about helping people
share their skills with theworld, helping passionate people
put their ideas and skills intothe world, because it benefits
more people when we do that.
So, absolutely, let's make ithappen.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
Yes, okay.
One final thought what's onebig running goal you have for
2025?

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Ooh, I do want to race again some way.
Somehow I just feel likeespecially here in New York, the
energy at the races is wild.
I want to put my name big on myshirt and have everybody be
like Kayla.
And if I could somehow sneakinto the New York marathon not
sneak like Bandit Run, but Imean like acquire a bib I'm

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there.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
I'm there, yeah, for for sure, putting your name in
that lottery always, and then,if anyone you know looking for a
runner that exactly like didyou like?

Speaker 2 (53:52):
did you decide you don't want to do it?
Do you run a run club in NewYork that's a New York road
runners run club and you havelike 10 bibs and you need
someone to give one to are you asponsor for the New York City
running or marathon and youwould like someone to run for
you?

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Kayla's here.
She's ready.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Absolutely, I will drink your drink and wear your
shirt.
Whatever you're sponsoring with, you sell bananas.
I'll eat your banana and thengo run the marathon, you betcha.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
Thank you again, Kayla.
This was so much fun.
I really appreciate it Ofcourse.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
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