Risk vs Comfort | Escaping the Comfort Zone Before It Kills Your Growth - Failures: The Podcast

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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
I was told from one of my mentors, Take the
opportunity in front of youright now.
It's like a jungle gym.
Grab the bar that's in front ofyou right now.
Don't worry about the last bar.
Just worry about getting a goodenough grip on this one.

(00:22):
And if you do it with urgencyand excitement and you're
curious and you're passionate,it's almost promised, bro.
It's almost promised.
Like today is Sunday, tomorrow'sMonday.
You're going to get anotheropportunity based on the first
opportunity you've got.
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Rich, another week in the books,my boy.

(00:44):
Cheers.
You hear that crack?
That's the episodic energy drinksponsorship open void.
I think we know what energydrink it is, but we're not going
to give that one away yet.

SPEAKER_00 (00:56):
Yeah, yeah.
Until they start cutting thecheck.
We're not there yet.

SPEAKER_01 (00:59):
Listen, today's episode on Failures Podcast,
we're talking about risk versuscomfort.
This is something we've beenseeing come up in our community
a lot.
A lot of the younger guys intheir early 20s, even some
teenagers asking, they needadvice on taking a big leap in
life or how do we feel abouttaking advice in your 20s or
risking too much in your 20s?

(01:20):
How does it affect you in yourlate 30s?
The question is pretty much thesame.
Hey, I want to do this thing.
It feels crazy.
I don't know if it's a smartmove, but what is your advice
from someone in their late 30sfor someone in their early 20s
to take a risk like the riskthat I'm about to take?
A lot of these young guys comefrom good families two parent

(01:42):
households whether it's aquestion about college or moving
to a new city or justbackpacking for two years so
they can see the world beforethey start working there is this
idea that they're taking a riskbut I felt like you had a
different perspective on it youknow as an older person in your
30s can you share some feedbackon the idea that these guys are
coming up with for what risk mayseem like to them versus how you

(02:05):
saw risk when you were in yourearly 20s or maybe when you were
a teenager

SPEAKER_00 (02:08):
yeah for sure I mean I would say that this is exactly
why we started this podcast.
We named this podcast Failuresbecause we noticed a bunch of
younger people struggling withthe idea of failure.
It's right in line with takingrisks.
That's exactly what they'reafraid to do.

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They're afraid to take a boldrisk that ends up in failure.
Once they feel like they'veexperienced failure, then now
they're going down a rabbit holeof negativity and struggling to
get out of that all because theytook a risk.
But at its core essence, they'reafraid of failure more than they

(02:51):
are the actual risk.

SPEAKER_01 (02:54):
I'm glad you put it that way because that's how I
was reading it until I startedgetting into the actual
situations that we're going toget into later.
We talked about this off air.
I think when you talk about theidea of risk, what you're really
saying is, I want I want to dosomething that's outside of the
norm.
I want to do something that Ibelieve that if I take a leap

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from this side of the mountainto this gap to the other side of
the mountain, there is apossibility I could not make it
to the other side.
But if I made it to the otherside, there's a truth waiting
for me that I really want tofind out about myself.
You said it, that's what thewhole premise of the show is
about.
We ourselves are doing very wellprofessionally.

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ourselves are getting ourpersonal lives in order, but
we're also a little worriedabout this idea of being too
comfortable.
And we came together to create aplatform that was a huge risk
for us, which was go online andcreate a platform that we are
the faces of, knowing that ouremployers will see it.
There's a huge risk there, butthe risk is worth the reward

(04:03):
that we see on the other side,right?
So I don't want to get too deepinto it because I do know we
will have some personal storiesthat we want to sharing.
Rich, there was something aboutyou being a teenager that you
wanted to share with ourcommunity.
But the greater point iseverything is case sensitive
based on how much risk you cantake.
Are you risking your time?
Are you risking your money?

(04:24):
Are you risking personalrelationships?
Are you operating out ofemotion?
Are you operating straight offadrenaline?
Because a lot of young men arefilled with a lot of adrenaline.
What is it that you want to do?
And I think that's what we haveto unpack.
So like a great gym trainer toldme, Justin, everybody wants to
lose weight.
Everybody wants to look good.
But when you work with peoplefrom 18 to 70 years old, the

(04:47):
first question I like to ask allof my clients is, well, it
depends.
What do you want out of thissituation?
So same way a gym trainer wouldtell someone who's looking to be
more fit or to look better, it'sa very vague question to ask is,
I want to take a risk.
Well, it depends.
What kind of risk are youtaking?

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And I know that that's a part ofthe conversation we will get
into, but you mentionedsomething off air that I think
we have to start with, Rich, andwe'll get into personal stories
on this episode.
We'll share some moments in ourlives where we've taken crazy
risk and we failed and bouncedback or we didn't fail and learn
something about ourselves.

(05:28):
And then at the end, we're goingto get into like personal
advice, you know, actionableadvice, something that our
community can walk away with assome sort of tools for their
toolbox.
But talk about what you weresaying earlier about things that
you did when you were younger orthings that maybe i did that you
remembered that kind of had usoperating at a deficit some
personal stories that you wantto share

SPEAKER_00 (05:49):
yeah for sure i was just kind of like reflecting
when uh when you hit me with thetitle of the podcast you were
saying uh what are some risks inyour 20s or even earlier that
you took that had sort of like acause and effect and you know i
brought it even way way back inthe day where I'm like, man,

(06:10):
I've been playing life in hardmode this whole time, right?
I'm 37 years old now.
But even going back toelementary school, I failed two
grades in elementary school andhad to go into an alternative
program to kind of do two yearsin one and just play catch up.
And just knowing your personalstory, I know you had also

(06:32):
failed two grades in elementaryschool.
So I'm like, damn, me and Justinhave really been playing life in
hard mode.
We've just been trying to catchup to everyone else and then
that kind of led me to thinkthat the reason why we're
playing life on hard is becauseof the decisions that we made
right like we were probablyfooling around class clown
trying to be cool not focusingon our education and that had

(06:56):
certain repercussions and itkind of led me to think that in
your 20s and even early on manyou should really dedicate the
time to focus on yourself likeif it's not serving you like
Don't even put any energytowards things that are not
serving you.
I also think about at 19, filingfor bankruptcy.

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That was a very pivotal momentin my life where I met a woman.
She leased a car.
We ended up putting it under myname.
I ended up racking up my creditcard bills to max, and I got to
an amount of debt that I couldno longer pay at 19 years old,
making like$6 a month.
an hour.

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So unfortunately, I had to filefor bankruptcy at 19 years old.
I think the debt was somewhereupwards of$30,000,$35,000, which
doesn't seem like a lot today,especially now that we're doing
a lot better in life.
But at the time, it felt like alot of money, and it felt like a
hole that I couldn't climb outof.

(08:00):
And bro, at 19, to reset yourentire financial literacy, your
entire bank account, and And tostart at zero was extremely
difficult, right?
There's kids at 19 where liketheir parents are handing them
30, 40,000.
I'm like, oh, here, here's acollege fund or here's a 501

(08:23):
account that I've been savingfor you since you were a child.
I started at zero, right?
But why did I start at zero?
I started at zero because I madesome poor decisions.
And, you know, with the partnerI was with and the relationship
that I was in with the financialchoices that I made led me to

(08:43):
start at zero at 19.
And when I think about failingelementary school, filing
bankruptcy at 19, not startingcollege right away, I think I
started college at maybe 22,right?
When most kids are exitingcollege, I just started to

(09:03):
enter, right?
So I've always felt like I'vebeen behind.
So man, if there's one singlepiece of advice I could give
somebody in their twenties, it'sjust like, really focus on you,
right?
Don't focus on like agirlfriend.
Don't focus on being the classclown.
Don't try to focus on trying tobe cool, trying to impress other
people.
Like if it's not serving youpersonally, you know, you

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shouldn't have the time orenergy to spend on it.

SPEAKER_01 (09:28):
There's a lot of things I want to talk about that
you touched on.
One, you just told our entirecommunity that I failed two
times in middle school, whichI'm I've never told anybody, so
I appreciate you for remindingme about that.
Actually, it's funny becausesometimes you spend so much of
your life measuring risk versusreward once you kind of have a

(09:52):
good idea of how something thatcan have a consequence can
affect your future.
It's one thing when you knowyou're not ignorant to the
risk-reward ratio.
It's another thing to becompletely ignorant as a teen Or
someone in their early twentiesand just be risk adverse.

(10:13):
All you do is just like do shitthat could either get you locked
up, get a girl pregnant, get youinto trouble with your family,
put you on the outs with reallyclose people, fuck up
relationships with mentors.
Like as a young man, I did allof that.

SPEAKER_00 (10:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (10:28):
And I did it ignorantly.
I had no idea how all thosemistakes I was making were going
to affect my future and to kindof bring it home.
based on the point you made isit really had both you and I
operating at a deficit.
So when the gun for the racewent off and everybody jumped

(10:50):
out the block and had a fairshot at 18, they were going to
college.
Even some of our friends weregoing to college at 17.
Me and Rich were still in highschool.
And we had these bullshit jobsat Whole Foods, at Pizza Hut,
and we were scheming andscamming to get by and we were
operating at a deficit becausewe were short of money.
short-sighted and ignorant.

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So I don't even know if that'sreally the conversation that
these guys are asking.
These guys are smart enough thatat 22 they can ask, hey, I feel
like I want to do something.
They may compromise my futureself, but I'm inquisitive and
smart enough and someone taughtme enough about life to know
that is it worth putting thismoney into Bitcoin?

(11:34):
This seems like a volatile risk.
Is it worth me getting a downpayment on this home knowing
that taxes are going to inflateover the next five years?
I find that either the communitywe have or the generation of
young people today are soknowledgeable that they look at
everything through this riskreward lens.

(11:54):
And there is a I guess the pointI'm trying to make, there is a
happy medium between the levelof ignorance and fuck it.
I'm going to do whatever energyand this hyper optimize.
I got to measure and wait andequate and calculate all the
things that I do to make surethat I'm giving myself leverage
going into the next 10 years ofmy life.

(12:16):
I think there is somewhere inbetween that is the right
answer.

SPEAKER_00 (12:20):
Yeah.
I mean, listen, with anydecision that I make, I operate
or any risk that I take, Thefirst question I ask myself is,
what's worst case scenario?
That's a legitimate questionthat everyone should ask with
any decision you're making, anyrisk you're taking.
If the answer to that questionis, all right, it might take me
12 months to save up$10,000 forthis investment that I'm about

(12:45):
to take, then that's worst casescenario, right?
You invest this$10,000, thatinvestment doesn't pan out, now
you have to take another 12months to save up$10,000.
up those$10,000 again, right?
It's a year of savings.
It's a year of maybe not goingout or not going on vacations,
but that's the worst casescenario.

(13:05):
Like what is the positive ifthat$10,000 investment does pan
out, right?
And then that's where you startto get into risk reward, right?
Does the risk of investing those$10,000 and being right about
your investment outweigh therisk of not being right and

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having to save for another 12months.
So simply ask yourself, what'sworst case scenario?

SPEAKER_01 (13:32):
You know, I love that you bring up the point of
worst case scenario andfinancial runway.
This is great.
I think we got to take a stepback.
And I want to hear more aboutyour story about what was it
about the nature of therelationship you had with your
baby moms and having a kid youngthat led you to bad decisions,
risk that had you operating outof a deficit.

(13:54):
But the one thing I I want topoint out to our community is
there's a difference betweenwhat you think is risk.
Let's say the risk is minus oneplus one.
You either fail and you're at aminus one or you succeed.
You're at a plus one.
Risk only makes sense unless therisk is minus one.

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But if you succeed in fiveyears, it's times 10, not plus
10 times 10.
So the risk and the reward makessense because it's like, you
know what?
It's worth me sacrificinggetting up every day at five in
the morning to learn how tobecome a salesperson so I can at
least have a skill set ofsomeone who understands sales in

(14:37):
the event that this hobby that Ihave for creating my own
business is going to lead medown a path where I'm an
entrepreneur, but I can make$10million a year because I own my
own business versus what I knowmost people make with my degree,
which is$100,000 per year.
I know that sounded kind ofcomplicated, but that's what
risk and reward is.

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Any person who's accomplishedanything that you find to be
admirable, they jumped out thewindow and did something that
might've been a net negative,but they did it knowing that if
it landed and it worked out,it's a times 10.
That's risk versus reward.
Rich, specifically, I think whathappens with this generation,
and again, it's 20-year-oldsasking two guys in their late

(15:21):
30s, hey, what do you think?
I want to do this.
It's not risk versus reward.
It's risk versus comfort.
They want to be comfortable, butstill get the beautiful girl.
They want to be comfortable andsafe, but still get rich on a
Ponzi scheme or some cryptoscheme or some Trump coin on
some Melania coin.

(15:43):
They want to put minimal effortand get a hundred times return.
That's really the conversationwe're having.

SPEAKER_00 (15:51):
Yeah.
I mean, listen, unfortunately,progress and And success
involves a lot of discomfort,right?
A lot of failure, a lot oftrials and tribulation.
And if you're the type of personthat you seek comfort and you're
rattled by the unknown, it'sgoing to be very difficult for
you to move forward or makedecisions or take risks that are

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going to elevate you to anotherlevel.
I don't think there's anybodysuccessful on this planet that
has done anything incrediblethat hasn't taken an absorbent
amount of risk.
Even you, right?

SPEAKER_01 (16:24):
Like take Taking a loan, not the one that made you
file for bankruptcy.
That was you being stupid.
You weren't being smart.
Even taking a loan now to buyyour home, that's a risk, right?
Because you lose leverage whenyou take a loan because you got
to pay the loan off.
If you were mitigating all riskout of your life, you would have
saved until you had, I don'tknow,$300,000,$400,000,$700,000

(16:47):
to buy your house cash.
Unfortunately, you're not in aposition to do that.
So you measured it out.
So talk about that.
Like even buying a home orinvest in crypto early, which I
know you did.
There's risk there, but it'slike either I can lose all of
this money or I can gain, right?
Or am I framing that wrong?

SPEAKER_00 (17:04):
No, no, that's right.
I mean, that you would classifyas calculated risk, right?
Like what was the purpose of mepurchasing a home in 2020?
Well, number one, rates wereextremely low, right?
So I can get a mortgage forcheaper than any other year.
Two, I was renting for the last15, almost 20 years, right?

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So I had the opportunity ofpurchasing a home where
essentially you're paying backyourself, right?
You're not paying a landlord ora management company.
So you're starting to payyourself in the form of equity.
And then third is, I thinkhouses, I don't know what the
percentage is, but housesappreciate in value, I think
five to 6% annually year overyear.

(17:52):
So it is classified as an assetthat it is an investment.
And yeah, and I've beenfortunate enough that it's
panned out, right?
Everyone who's bought a house in2020 and prior has super low
mortgage in its entirety andhouses have like almost doubled
since 2020.
So everyone's investment is up.

(18:14):
Everyone has like a lot ofequity in their home.
But so back in 2020, that was acalculated risk, right?
I was like, all right, I haveenough for a down payment on
this house.
where is the best place that Icould put$30,000,$40,000 that
will net me a high rate ofreturn, right?
Could have chose the stockmarket, but it just made sense

(18:37):
to take the leap, take the risk,take a calculated risk, purchase
a home that I'm going to own andoccupy and continue to build my
nest egg, build equity and afive to 6% secure rate of return
year over year.

SPEAKER_01 (18:54):
Now, That's exactly what I'm talking about.
But I have to remind you, we'retalking to 20-year-olds.
So maybe, I mean, listen, somekids are out there crushing it,
so they probably have homes.
But I want to put this in adifferent way, which I'll frame
in a question.
If me and Rich are 20 and21-year-old versions of
ourselves, and you came out to ahouse party I was throwing in

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high school, you came to myparty, and Rich was single,
hasn't been with a girlfriendsix months ago.
So that means he'd been dry forsix months.
Hasn't gotten wet for six monthsand we're at a party.
And I tell you, yo, I got a fewfriends meeting us before the

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party.
Some girls are coming up.
My girls come away home girls.
You should come early to meetwith them.
So you pull up, put your bestoutfit on, throw some cologne
on.
You get there early.
Now you standing at the functionwith five girls there, one of
them being my girl, you havefour girls that you can start a
conversation with.
This is the 19 year old, 18 yearold version of risk versus

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comfort.
The risk versus reward, thecalculation has already been
made.
Either you're going to stay whothe fuck you are.
You're going to go home aloneand not have no bitches in your
life.
Or you can get a little bit ofpride in yourself, maybe get a
little beverage, a drink to giveyou some courage and walk your

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ass across that apartment andstart a conversation.
Because the reward of making agirl your friend or having a
girl be interested in youromantically or physically find
you attractive or find you to becharming or funny or love the
way you dress.
the reward is not even aquestion.

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So what we're really talkingabout is risk versus comfort.
So back to your point, Rich,buying a house, putting a down
payment on a house in 2020, nobrainer.
In hindsight, because you livein your house now, you have two
kids, you have a girlfriend, youseem like a genius in hindsight.
Same way a guy feels like agenius and feels like the man

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once he's been with his girl forthree or four years.
But what he did in that momentis he took to leap and the leap
was math that was too simpleeither i don't do anything and
remain the person i am at thisvery moment forever yeah or i
can take a risk so risk versusreward versus risk versus

(21:26):
comfort i think is a summarythat we have to run a lot of
these filters through because wehave two stories we're going to
get into today from two peoplethat are i would say two very
uniquely different situations sowe have to apply the phrasing of
well it depends or We got tolook into the situation and
really understand what risk is.
But the one thing I did want toask, and it came directly from

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our community, which I'minterested to know what you have
to say, Rich, is as an olderperson in your late 30s,
complete this sentence.
The riskiest move I took in my20s was, and how did that pan
out?
Do you still look back at thattime with regret?
Or do you see that even thoughit was a risky move, if it did
or did not play out, do youregret it or do you not regret

(22:07):
it and why?

SPEAKER_00 (22:08):
Man, I have a whole...
A whole bunch for that one.
One that comes to mind, it waslate 20s, almost entering my
30s, but I spent seven years atone particular job at a bank.
It was going great.
Everyone at work was pleasant towork with and I build a

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camaraderie amongst my peers andmy colleagues.
But something in me told melike, all right, it's been seven
years, we've been stuck in thesame spot.
I've been getting bonuses andraises every year or So I was
moving forward, but not at therate that I wanted to move
forward in.
And, you know, the risk I tookwas, let me see what else is out

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there.
Let me go try to find anotherjob.
And that scared the hell out ofme, right?
Like, all I've known is this jobfor the last seven years.
And now I have to take thisplunge and go and apply to
places, start somewhere new,build new friends, have new
peers, right?
Sure.
share my skill set with brandnew people, get familiar with

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bosses.
And just the idea of making thattransition brought me a lot of
discomfort.
So I had to go through a mentalhurdle to really break that
cycle and say, bro, people dothis all the time.
They go seek jobs where they'rebetter paid, where their skill
sets are highlighted, wherethere's more flexibility, more

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work-life balance, or whateverthe case may be.
So I ended up finding a job witha crypto company which was
something that was a little bitmore aligned to my passions and
I took the plunge and this waslike an unknown startup you know
not a big place not like afortune 500 company like it was
very much like startup like heyyou might have a job for a year

(23:58):
you might have a job for twoyears like nothing's guaranteed
but like we are extending youthis offer so I had to leave
something that was very verysecure for the last seven years
the job that actually help mesave enough money to purchase my
home versus take a risk thatbrought a lot of discomfort and

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take a leap of faith to say, I'mgoing to go work at the startup
because I'm confident enough inmy skill set to do well in this
new company.
But that whole transitionbetween leaving something that
was secure versus entering theunknown was like a mental
hurdle.

(24:39):
But back to your point too likeone of the reasons why I decided
to make the transition wastowards the end of my seven year
tenure there I had to take aself snapshot which I think we
all take every birthday every 12months maybe even every month of
ourselves and just look backlook around us and say are we

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are we happy with everythingthat's around us are you happy
when you look at yourself in themirror are you happy with the
girlfriend you have with the jobyou have are you happy with this
life right and if the If theanswer to that is no, then all
right, well, how do you changethat?
You got to take some risks, myboy.
You got to make certaindecisions to change your

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environment or change the thingsthat you don't like that's
happening around you.
But just taking a self-snapshotand being like, huh, I guess
this is the way it is.
To me, personally, that'sunacceptable.

SPEAKER_01 (25:32):
What's the phrase, like, if things don't change,
things don't change?

SPEAKER_00 (25:35):
Yeah.
You need to make the rightdecisions to change what you're
doing.
what you're not happy about.
I'll share this story that, it'snot so much a story, but kind of
like an introspective thoughtthat I had recently.
But I was walking to work.
I work out at Hudson Yards, NewYork City.
And I crossed this luxuryparking lot.

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So there's Porsches,Lamborghinis, Corvettes, all the
time.
And in this one particular day,I'm walking and this guy parks
his Lamborghini Lamborghini,gets out the car, regular
looking white guy, you know,clean cut, but not in a suit,
just like regular plain clothes.

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So I look, he gives me a headnod, I give him a head nod.
I don't think anything of it andI keep it moving.
And about 30 seconds after thatmoment or interaction, I see
this like junkie sitting on thebench, right?
Literally 30 seconds apart,right?

SPEAKER_01 (26:35):
Like a drug addict.
A drug addict.
Somebody that was just out ofit,

SPEAKER_00 (26:38):
yeah.
Yeah, so like 250$50,000 car orwhatever Lambo costs, right?
Clean cut guy, obviously verywealthy or doing well for
himself.
30 seconds later, completeopposite, extreme poverty, drug
addict.
And my initial thought was,damn, what's the difference
between this guy and thisjunkie?

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And I thought about it and I waslike, it's just decisions.
Like if you, if you want to likereally dumb it down to in its
simplest form, It's like, yeah,obviously circumstances and
resources and luck have a lot todo with the equation, but
decisions to me stood outbecause both of those guys had

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decisions.
Not

SPEAKER_01 (27:25):
only decisions, but those moments where you can feel
that cognitive dissonance,meaning your mind is trying to
make sense of how your body ismoving every day, but your body
is telling you your mind, hey,I'm not happy.
This reality no longer fits meanymore.

(27:46):
If you had a rock in your shoe,you wouldn't keep walking and
ignoring the rock until you feltcomfortable about the rock being
in your shoe.
You would eventually changesomething.
And that starts with bendingdown, untying your shoes, taking
the shoe off, taking the rockout, putting the shoe back on.

(28:07):
Now, somebody might look at thatas a metaphor for their life and
say, yeah, that's easy.
But that's basically what'shappening when you have
cognitive dissonance.
You're saying, well, if I stopwalking, I'm never going to get
to where I want to go.
So I can't allow this thing tostop me.
So I'm going to keep pushingthrough.
But what happens is we get olderand with time you start building

(28:28):
more resentment.
So that rock in your shoe notonly hurts, but it starts
becoming the reason why you hateeverything you do.
because everything'suncomfortable.
You're not going to get there inthe time you wanted because you
had a path and you had a timethat you were taking based on
the steps you were taking.
So while you get there a half ayear later, a year later, three
years later, hell, seven yearslater, but at least you're not

(28:49):
taking the entire journey with arock in your shoe and being
uncomfortable and trying tojustify it.
That's how I see a lot of thesescenarios.
And we're going to get into ayoung man named Eric who was
going through a pretty trickysituation, which it kind of
reminded me of what you justsaid, Rich, one of our community
members, and he wasn't scared toshare his name or his situation.
But there's a lot of cognitivedissonance that does go into,

(29:13):
man, I know I want this thing,but my entire body is telling me
where I'm at currently is notfor me anymore.
But I justify it every morning.
I justify it to myself so Icould feel good about the
decisions I made in the past.
And I think that's what we'retalking about here.
You know what I mean?
Like little decisions that youmake based on the way your body
feels about something, the wayyour energy feels or something

(29:35):
is trying to tell you, like,we've grown out of this
situation or this situation isno longer for us.
Let's make a change.
And that's pretty much what theidea of risk or reward is about.
That's what it comes down to.
It's like, yeah, you're going tokeep growing and learning.
And the more you grow, youlearn, you have to make changes
based on the new information youhave.
So I love everything you said,because it's like just trying to

(29:57):
contextualize how you wentthrough that in your personal
life, but you're in your latethirties with the prospect of to
be like, yeah, if I didn't makethat change based on the job I
didn't like, bro, I would havestill been there.
I would have not even known thatthe crypto job led to the job
that I have now.

SPEAKER_00 (30:14):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (30:14):
You get what I'm saying?
And I'm happier now than I wasseven years ago.
But it took a little reroute toget to where I was really going.
But you know what wasn't theanswer?
Where I was at at that moment.
I just felt uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_00 (30:26):
Yeah, that's valid.
And to your point, I think inour early 20s, we spoke about
this on a different podcast, butwe get enamored with like where
we want to be and that turnsinto just the end result right
so like you look at yourself inthe mirror shirtless and you're
like damn I just seen you know20 UFC fights and those guys all

(30:48):
had six packs and look at meright like I want that right
it's just like bro do youunderstand the amount of
discipline and changes anddecisions you need to make in
order to reach that finalproduct you have

SPEAKER_01 (31:01):
to sacrifice everything

SPEAKER_00 (31:02):
right but that's the disconnect right between knowing
that you want to change and thenviewing that change as the end
result

SPEAKER_01 (31:11):
the guy on the couch is you right now and the UFC
fighters looking chiseled withbeautiful women around them
ready to enter a battle thatyou're willing to pay
pay-per-view money to watch thedistance between you and that
person is the cognitivedissonance you're experiencing

(31:32):
in your mind you want thatresult but in reality, you're
right here.
Great point.

SPEAKER_00 (31:37):
Yeah, and by the way, you can get there, but the
change starts today, right?
And then the changes compoundover time, and then you look 12
months later, 18 months later,and then you are there, right?
But just watching, just sittingon your couch eating chips, you
know, pointing at that UFCfighter with a six-pack and

(31:59):
saying, damn, that's where Ineed to be.
There's a big disparity betweenwanting to be there and starting
to make the changes to getthere.

SPEAKER_01 (32:09):
Action, action, action is king.
Reality is the boss and actionis king.
These are two mantras that Ilive by.
If you're confused and you don'tknow what to do, but you're
uncomfortable and you're scaredto do something, take action,
bro.
Just start, start where youstand, just start walking.
And reality is the boss becausereality, you could believe what

(32:30):
you want to believe aboutyourself.
You could, by the way, you couldbelieve either man, your mother
could I could tell you the mosthandsome boy in the world.
Your grandmother could say youlook just like your grandfather
when he was 22 years old.
But when I bring you around somebeautiful women and you get zero
airtime, nobody laughs at yourjokes, nobody looks at you,
reality is the king.
That means you're not as funnyas your grandmother told you and

(32:53):
you're not as handsome as yourmother tells you.
You got a lot of work to do, myboy.
People just don't do shit in thereal world and reality just to
make you feel better.
So sometimes you got to hop offReddit, Sometimes you got to hop
off Discord.
Sometimes you got to hop offyour favorite stream or live
stream, and you got to take alittle bit of action in life.
But we're getting off subject,Rich, because I feel like we

(33:13):
could talk about that oneforever.
More importantly, I think aboutrisks that I took in my 20s, and
I was just sitting here thinkinglike, what's a quick story I
could tell so our listenerscould have context?
And I'm going to give it thefast version, but maybe we'll
unpack it another time.
If 21-year-old Justin, one yearout of high school, didn't go to
college, working at a car makinggood money, I might add.

(33:37):
If I didn't take the radio showthat we did every week at
Rutgers University, where wewould have to drive an hour and
a half, spend our own money toget there, buy our own food, pay
for our own gas and toll.
If we didn't, and I'm saying meand you, because we're on this
journey together.
If we didn't dedicate the 40plus hours we dedicated to

(34:01):
building our music mediaplatform, We're in our 20s.
I'm not sure if Justin Duran,the music executive that has won
awards for being alleged greatmusic executive, is even here
right now if we didn't make thesacrifices we made and the risks

(34:22):
we took to even start somethingthat we didn't have any entry
point for.
None of us know anybody in themusic business.
We just kind of created aplatform and we risked a lot of
our time, energy, money,relationships.
I could have been doing a lot inmy 20s, my early 20s, but I
dedicated it to building aplatform with a lot of our

(34:43):
friends who are building thisplatform with us.
And I know for a fact I wouldn'tbe where I'm at today without
that risk I took.
So I asked you the question, butI was thinking about the answer
myself.
And I was like, damn, I woulddefinitely not be here right now
if I didn't take that risk in my20s to start a media company and
really lean into a radio show ata college that I wasn't even

(35:04):
qualify to go to.
I had a 1.5 GPA, didn't takeSATs out of high school,
graduated at 2021.
I was like one of the oldestfucking seniors of all time in
high school.
And I went from being at a cardealership and I just kept
focusing on the radio show.
And that radio show opened upevery door, which led me to

(35:25):
eventually getting anopportunity to go to Rutgers
University based on a programthey had for people that were
contributing to the radiostation.
So

SPEAKER_00 (35:33):
yeah,

SPEAKER_01 (35:33):
Locked doors are locked for a reason, but certain
doors, if you don't twist theknob, you don't know what's
behind them.
Again, I use this shoe analogywith the rock in your shoe.
Sometimes it's going to seemuncomfortable.
Sometimes it's going to seemweird, but if you don't knock,
you don't know what's behind thedoor.
Action is king.
Reality is the boss.
You definitely got to take riskin your early 20s because you

(35:56):
can always rebound from them.
I think that's important.

SPEAKER_00 (36:00):
In that example, what was worst case scenario for
you at that point, right?
Like, yeah, you were losingmoney on gas and tolls, but,
like, you were learning how theradio business works, right?
Like, you were sharpening yourskill set as a radio
personality.

SPEAKER_01 (36:14):
Building crazy contacts.
My whole music network came fromdoing that show, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (36:19):
Contact, the resources that spin off into
your Def Jam internship, right?
Like, it's hard to see the riskwhen there was way more upside
than there was downside if youhad failed, right?
If you had failed, you stillwalked away with a lot of
information, resources, skillsets that you could have

(36:41):
leveraged and propelled in adifferent way.
Those type of risks areno-brainers, right?
You should absolutely, 10 out of10, always take those type of
risks.

SPEAKER_01 (36:51):
Well, I think hindsight 2020, Rich, because at
that time, there was a lot ofmotion going on for us in our
20s.
We were going to a lot ofparties.
We were popping out at clubs inNew York.
We were throwing our own houseparties.
There's a lot of young manenergy that went into a lot of
the fun shit we were doing.
I was making decent money at thecar dealership.
That's true.
I was getting fresh.
I could have put my energy in tojust have emotion as a young

(37:13):
man, but I was still living withmy mom, and I had graduated high
school three years aftereverybody else.
That's true, too.
But at the time, it makes sensenow.
That's what I'm saying.
These young guys are just like,damn, should I do it?
Should I not do it?
It's like, bro, a lot of theseare fucking no-brainers, but
with hindsight, they seem likeno-brainers.

SPEAKER_00 (37:30):
Well, I mean, yes.
And we didn't know it was goingto become a formal business for
us.
I think going through it in ourtwenties, we just thought it was
something fun to do.
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (37:43):
We followed our interests and you said that
earlier, whatever, whatever'spulling you towards it.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (37:47):
Yeah, for sure.
If you're following your, likewe were all like real, real big
hip hop heads and we just knewfrom midnight to 2 AM that time
slot was for us to nerd out oversomething that we all loved
collectively, which was like hiphop and rap.
So, you know, it was fun to usat a very bare minimum.

(38:09):
Turns out that that passionproject we formalized into a
legitimate business.
And that's kind of like wherethe hindsight comes from.
Like we weren't sacrificing ourtime to build a business.
We were sacrificing our time tohave fun in a different way,
which was like not going to theclub or not going to frat
parties, but just following ourpassion.

SPEAKER_01 (38:31):
Or knowing a lot of people in the streets that were
making making money

SPEAKER_00 (38:35):
yeah we're making real money yeah we were running
into these dudes on our way backto the radio show like we're
dropping a quick check we'redropping each other off at like
two in the morning three in themorning and all the dudes in the
street that we knew that we'repushing like we just saw them
outside

SPEAKER_01 (38:51):
and they all became rappers and they all wanted to
get interviewed and we stillknow them to this day rich we're
going to cut to a quicksponsorship break for a
sponsorship we don't have we'regoing to come back with two
stories from our community fromtwo guys that are asking for
advice on, they're scared totake a big risk in their
twenties.
And as someone who's older,that's you and I, we're the old

(39:13):
guys now, what do we think aboutthe risks they want to take?
And do we think it's worth it?
So we're going to get into thestory of Eric and another
anonymous guy who his girlfriendcheated on him and left the
house that he bought.
And now he wants to sell thehouse and start a new career in
a major city.
We'll get into that in a littlebit.

(39:34):
Failures Podcast will be rightback.
All right, we got a tricky onetoday, Rich.
Part of our failures community,and at some point we're going to
give the Discord and the privateWhatsApp community that Rich and
I are a part of where a lot ofyoung men are sharing their

(39:55):
personal stories, giving adviceto each other, and Rich and I
occasionally go in there andgive feedback.
This is one story that camedirectly from our community
about this episode.
It comes from a young man namedEric.
Eric, this is just the top lineinformation to catch everybody
up to speed.
There is a longer version ofthis, but we'll spare you the
details.
Eric is 23 years old.
comes from an immigrant family,stable family, more of the kind

(40:17):
of family that is doing well,but they only know one path, you
know, like doctors, engineers,computer scientists.
So whatever the father does, theson has to do.
The father is a pretty bigexecutive.
He has an opportunity for hisson once he graduates to make X
amount of dollars right out ofhigh school.
And he has a computer sciencedegree.
But secretly as a childhoodhobby, Eric always wanted to be

(40:40):
a coder for indie games.
He started his own Twitch livestream where he shows people how
to be a coder for independentgames.
And an independent Los Angelesstudio just dangled a$38,000 a
year junior development role andwith equity for him to start

(41:00):
this job the minute he gets outof college.
The catch is his parents aregoing to take away his free
rent.
They pay for his phone andinsurance.
They're going to take that too.
And they're going to pause onhelping him pay back his college
loans.
So basically, he could make$80,000 right out of school
working with his father, or hecould take the$40,000 he'll make

(41:20):
at this job, but it's hispassion job, and his parents are
going to pull.
He could live with them, but hegot to pay rent, and his
father's not going to pay forany of the amenities.
Eric's stuck between loyalty tohis family, following family
tradition, or doing what he'spassionate about.
Rich, this is a tricky one.
What would you say from yourstandpoint?

(41:42):
a risk that is worth taking inhis 20s?
Or how would you approach thesituation?

SPEAKER_00 (41:49):
Yeah, it's certainly a tricky one.
My initial thoughts are yoursort of passion are being held
at ransom, right?
Wow, yeah.
And not to get toointrospective, but like, bro, we
all have one life to live,right?
And it's ours to live.
Not our parents, not yoursignificant other, not your

(42:10):
children's.
It's yours to live, right?
And if what you want to do isdevelop indie games, and that's
what you're passionate about,and you're putting all the poker
chips into that one basket, Ithink you should absolutely take
that risk and that plunge, evenif it means defying your family

(42:32):
wishes.
Because at the end of the day,what I realized about family,
especially coming from immigrantfamily, is that it's very
difficult for them to see thevision.
you're

SPEAKER_01 (42:43):
speaking from personal

SPEAKER_00 (42:44):
right yeah yeah i mean my family are from
dominican descent uh they theycame to this country with not a
lot of resources and when ipresented me going to school for
computer science they were likewait what so you want to be a
scientist and i'm like uh notexactly like there's a lot of
education that had to happenthere for me to explain to them

(43:07):
what what i was trying to do andyou got to understand these are
older folks grew up in the 60sand 70s, like, where technology
wasn't paramount, they don'treally understand these new
industries.
Like, you try to explain to themAI, and they look at you like,
what, robots?
Like, what's happening?
Yeah, that's a great point,yeah.
Like, they're absolutelyclueless, right?

(43:27):
So

SPEAKER_01 (43:27):
you're saying, for this young man, you could only
imagine what he's trying toexplain to his dad that is a
potential career opportunity.
He probably thinks it's somebullshit on the internet.

SPEAKER_00 (43:38):
Yeah, I mean, what's their source of reference?
Like, Super Mario Brothers?
They're just, like, this guy isa clown like what is he just
trying to spend all his timeplaying super mario brothers is
like no i actually i'm a coderright like it's a very unique
skill set like i build 3d worldsright i do a lot of uh
algorithmic equations right it'svery difficult to explain to

(44:03):
someone from older immigrantdescent so my advice is coupled
with do what it is that you wantto do But at the same time, put
yourself in your parents' shoesand try to understand that they
have no idea what it is thatyou're trying to do.
So try to spend some timeeducating them and not give them

(44:25):
the entire vision, just littleby little, right?
Like, oh, look, this is whatcode looks like.
It looks like Chinese, right?
Like, yeah, it does, right?
I know how to read and writethis Chinese.

SPEAKER_01 (44:38):
Wait, did you say that because Eric is Asian or
you just made that up?

SPEAKER_00 (44:42):
No, no, I made that.
I mean, it could be Hebrew.
It could be anything.
It could be anybody.
For someone who doesn't code, ifyou show them computer code, it
looks like Chinese, right?
This is like, it's not theEnglish language.
It's not Spanish.
It looks foreign to them.
So just showing them like a pageof code and letting them process

(45:02):
like, wow, this seems verycomplex could be the foundation
for them mentally to say, oh,okay.
My child works on complexthings.
I I might not understand them,but they're complex in nature.
Like maybe he's onto something.
Right.
So yeah, do what you want to doin parallel, educate your
parents on exactly what it isthat you're trying to do with

(45:25):
the understanding that theymight not have the mental
capacity to understand what itis that you're trying to do and
what your hobbies are and whatyour passions are.
And ultimately like what the endgoal is.
Like, do you want to own yourown indie gaming studio
production company?
Right.
Like, do you want to build thebest video game in the world?
Do you want to work for EpicGames?

(45:46):
What is the end goal?
Is it just an actual hobby orpassion project or is there a
fruitful career at the end ofthis job offer?
Because partly what they'rescared of is our baby boy is
going out and doing this passionproject.
Will he be able to self-sustainhimself with an apartment, with

(46:09):
food, be a provider in thefuture, right?
These are all legitimateconcerns.
I feel like sometimes it's veryeasy for you in your 20s to just
look at your parents and belike, oh my God, they're always
going against me.
They never let me do what I wantto do.
But you got to put yourself intheir shoes and understand where
they're coming from.
It's like, are you going to beself-sufficient with the career

(46:33):
path that you're choosing?
Because if not, that's a burdenon us.
We're going to have to go in andsave you from a potential
bankruptcy or save you frommaking financial mistakes or
paying for your rent or whateverthe case may be.
Your parents can be a crutch foryou your entire life.

SPEAKER_01 (46:51):
I think that might be the best thread that you pull
from this whole situationbecause when I first read this
scenario, I felt bad for him.
I felt bad for Eric.
I felt the manipulation, likeyou said, from his parents.
But you are a father, Rich, andyou are the father to a
soon-to-be teenager.
So I think you can see throughthe bullshit a little bit when
it comes to young men whereyou're just like, yeah, Eric

(47:15):
wants to have his cake and hewants to eat it too.
He's 23 years old.
He still lives with his family.
He wants to take risk, but notabsorb any of the downside.
He wants his cell phone paidfor.
He wants his rent paid for.
He wants his laundry washed.
He wants to be able to come homewith his girlfriend and, you
know what I mean?
Like hang out in his room withhis girl and his parents' house.

(47:38):
But he also wants the upside ofchasing his dream.
Something convenient about that.
I missed on the first readthrough.
And you're saying as a parent,what you have to help them
understand is I'm going toabsorb more of the risk.
And how you do that is a totallyon you.
You can take the job where yourdad for the first year, cause he
already kind of set up afoundation for you.

(47:59):
And maybe the same way you weredoing it throughout high school
and college, you could keepstreaming on Twitch, keep
building your platform and kindof balancing both worlds and not
getting any sleep, but provingto your parents that I do
understand that you guys arekeeping a roof over my head, but
on the flip side, I'm going tocontinue to pursue my passion

(48:19):
and my dream.
And you're saying that's more ofa safety net for a parent.
So at least they know, okay,cool.
I know he's capable of takingcare of himself, but he's also
doing this hobby

SPEAKER_00 (48:29):
on the side.
Does that sound right?
Yeah, for sure.
It can get a lot more complextoo, right?
Like if he's the only son andthe only heir to like the family
business, that opens up on awhole nother can of worms.
Because it's like-

SPEAKER_01 (48:42):
What is your perspective on that?

SPEAKER_00 (48:44):
It gets more complex, right?
Like dad wanted to pass downthis business to me.
I'm the only heir to thisbusiness.

SPEAKER_01 (48:52):
So we got to get the father on the podcast because he
might be emotionally fucked up.
Like his whole life he'd beenworking to pass this to Eric and
Eric is like, nah, I want toplay on the internet.
That's the way his dad istranslating.

SPEAKER_00 (49:05):
Yeah, I mean, it could get complex very quick and
it's a battle of two dreams,right?
The dad had the dream of passingthe business that he busted his
ass to build onto his child.
And his child is battling tokeep his passion of being an

(49:26):
indie gaming programmer andfollowing that passion.
The battle of two dreams.
There's no

SPEAKER_01 (49:34):
right or wrong answer.
It comes down to the basequestion, which I think is what
Eric wants to know.
Do we think it's worth worth himtaking this risk in his early
20s as two guys in their late30s who can look back at our 20s
and say, yes, even the failuresand the ignorant moves that I

(49:54):
made wound up being worth it.
Because if I change anythingfrom my past, I have to change
who I am today.
And I'm actually not mad at whoI am today.
Because bumps, bruises, risks,failures, ignorant young boy
shit that I did and I know youdid, it didn't net out negative
all the way, because even if Ididn't get the immediate reward,

(50:17):
I definitely learned a lot froma lot of those situations and I
would never do them again.
So the summary of the wholesituation with Eric is like, is
it worth taking the risk in mytwenties?
What's your response?

SPEAKER_00 (50:27):
Yeah, it's worth taking the risk in your
twenties.
And to piggyback off your point,if that risk doesn't pan out and
you end up going back to yourdad's business and working for
him, at least you tried, right?
Like you made a decision to trysomething on your own.
Whether you fail or not, to yourpoint, you have those bumps and

(50:47):
bruises to speak on it.
I find that in my 20s, I wasconstantly guided a certain way.
And the only way that I was ableto learn anything was just by
doing it myself and actuallyfailing myself and letting life
kick my ass for me to be like,damn, I should have probably
listened to that advice.

(51:08):
But there's just certain thingsthat you have to go through.
experience and fall.
Like I could tell myone-year-old daughter, hey,
don't do that.
You're going to fall.
You're going to fall.
But until she falls and feelshow it hurts to fall, you know,
or like when you tell a childlike, hey, don't touch the fire,
you're going to get burned,right?
Until they feel that first burnin their fingertips, they're

(51:30):
like, ah, damn, that shit burns.
Yeah, you're right.
And they don't know what itfeels like to be burned.
That's a stove.
Yeah, that's a stove.

SPEAKER_01 (51:38):
Now, scenario number two, Rich, and I do want to get
to probably the most importantpart of the show which is
actionable advice for ourcommunity members.
But I think the second one isreally good, not only because
it's a scenario where my heartbleeds for this young man, but
you mentioned it at the intro.
It's a scenario that you'reactually kind of familiar with.
So it kind of hit home for you.

(51:58):
So I'm looking forward to yourfeedback on it.
We have a 26-year-old communitymember who's anonymous.
They don't want to give hisname.
We'll call him M, M like M&Ms.
M broke up with his girlfriendof eight years.
He was with her since his,senior year of high school.
He put all of his life savingsinto a house he bought with her
in a small town that they bothgrew up in.

(52:20):
He's 26 years old.
She cheated on him and it's avery long story he wrote, but
what it came down to was hersaying that she's still young.
She felt like she was losing alot of her younger years in a
soon to be marriage and hisobsession with the relationship
and planning their future andbuying a house and buying a car.

(52:41):
She just kind of freaked out Iguess she spazzed out and she
wanted him to focus on himselfmore and it was the reason for
her wanting a change in her lifeso she left him so now M
anonymous community member isstuck with this house that
reminds him of his ex that he'sbeen with his whole life and

(53:01):
he's in a small town that hegrew up in and he just wants our
feedback and he's trying to sellthe house in the next 30 days
because he wants to get themoney from the sale which is not
a lot of money because he hasand owned it for very long.
And he wants to move to a majorcity, New York, LA, Texas.
And he wants to pursue hisdream.
He wants to be an entrepreneur.

(53:22):
He's a big fan of Elon Musk.
He left us a very, very longmessage.
But the short version is that ifanybody wants to extend it, I'm
sure we could figure out a wayto put it in our notes.
So 26 years old, basically wentthrough a divorce, even though
he wasn't married, owns a home,wants to sell the home.
And he wants to do it fast.
Rich, this of all the scenariosas we talked about feels like a

(53:45):
risk that is an actual riskwhat's your feedback on it and
if you want to share yourpersonal story because I know
you talked about a littleearlier on how this scenario
kind of hit home for

SPEAKER_00 (53:54):
you yeah I mean this it sounds like this person made
his relationship or his ex likethe priority right like his
identity since high school yeahyeah and it seems like it got
overwhelming for her she Shewanted change.
Selfishly, she made the decisionto remove herself from that

(54:17):
life.
Obviously, being on the otherside of that as a male, that
shit is devastating,heartbreaking, right?

SPEAKER_01 (54:24):
She didn't know, by the way, when he was doing all
these things that that's whatwas happening?
Or did he just wake up one dayand have a house, a car, and
love her?
Anyway, let's be on the point.
This is about Em.
This is about our anonymous guy.
It's not about her.
I just want to make that point.
Because when I was reading thisshit, I'm like...
damn, this woman is, that'sfucked up.

(54:47):
Yeah.
But he is where he's at.
So let's stay focused.
I'm sorry.
I almost lost track.

SPEAKER_00 (54:51):
Nah, it's all right.

SPEAKER_01 (54:52):
You're right.
You're right.
Your framing was that's life.
Sometimes you get dealt a crazyhand.

SPEAKER_00 (54:56):
Yeah.
And listen, but by the way, for,for this anonymous person, there
will be a significant other outthere for you that wants all the
exact same things that you want.
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (55:08):
Great fucking point, Rich.
Yeah.
I love that.
That's great.
Right now, this young man, myboy Anonymous.

SPEAKER_00 (55:15):
Yeah,

SPEAKER_01 (55:15):
she ain't it though.
That just made him very happy.
So yeah, let's start there.
Let's start with the mostobvious advice.
You think you're losing a home,but what you're really losing is
a fucking anchor, a weightedvest, somebody that you would
have been miserable with for therest of your life.
So I love that you brought thatup first.
Fuck the risk part.

(55:36):
Let's get to the most importantpart.
Bro, you just took a majorheadache out of your life early
even though you're on the otherend of this heartbreak, which I
feel you.
I've been through it.
Rich has been through it.
Go ahead, Rich.

SPEAKER_00 (55:48):
Yeah, I mean, listen, my second point would
be, this goes back to an earlierpoint, is to take a
self-snapshot, right?
You want to sell the house tobecome an entrepreneur, which
you don't just wake up and wantto be an entrepreneur.
That's probably something that'sbeen burning inside of you for
many years, and it's somethingyou've been wanting to do, but

(56:09):
you ended up prioritizing house,family, car, et cetera.
So there's an internal conflictthere, right?
Take a personal self snapshot ofyourself and figure out who it
is that you are and who it isthat you want to be, right?
Because you could sell thehouse, move to another city and
go through that whole entiretimeline with a completely

(56:32):
different woman and possibly endup with the same result, right?
Or you could go through all ofthat again, like sell the house,
move to another city, prioritizebeing an entrepreneur and
building a product or starting awebsite or e-commerce or
something and live a completelydifferent lifestyle, one that
doesn't prioritize settlingdown, purchasing a house, buying

(56:56):
a car, having a child, buildinga family, right?
So there's an internal conflictthere.
Do you want to be anentrepreneur and have a new
company be your baby or do youwant to start a family and
really actually have a baby.
That's something that I woulddecide on before even selling

(57:17):
the house.

SPEAKER_01 (57:18):
I know we're going to get into the actionable
advice section and we're goingto get into steel man arguments
to strengthen up our advice.
But one thing that he said inhis very long and detailed
heartbroken exposition of hislife, which we're just teasing
him, but we're here to help, ishe kept saying, I know what

(57:38):
Elon, like Elon Musk is his God.
And he brought him up like eighttimes.
And he kept saying, I know whatElon would do.
Elon doesn't waste time tryingto over-calculate or save money,
or he would just do what heknows is right for the
betterment of his company.

(57:59):
And he wants to start hiscompany now.
So that's why he's in a rush tosell his house.
So he's like, don't tell meabout runway or sleeping on it.
I know in my gut, this is what Ihave to do because Steve jobs,
Elon Musk, Zuckerberg, theseguys all went with their
intuition.
And that's the part where hekind of loses me at because I'm
like, okay, so you had thismethodical eight-year run with

(58:23):
this girl that you weren't in arush for any of this shit.
But now that your heart isshattered, you just turned into
Elon Musk overnight.
You just adopted all his top 10things Elon Musk would do if he
started a business today,YouTube channel, guru, God shit,
that's the part that throws meoff.

(58:44):
And I feel like we need toaddress because it seems like
he's emotional on beingirrational.

SPEAKER_00 (58:49):
Yes.
And I'll tell you what that is.
He's chasing feeling somethingother than pain.
Wow.
He's chasing feeling somethingother than pain.
He wants the excitement ofmoving to a new city, the
excitement of starting a newbusiness.

(59:11):
the excitement of startingfresh, but all that new
excitement is just masking thepain of the heartbreak.
And he thinks if he acceleratesfeeling excitement, that'll
block out the heartache, right?
He could forget about herquicker because he's working on
a new business and he's in acompletely different city where
like physical interaction withher is barely possible, right?

(59:36):
Because he's in a completelydifferent city than her.
I don't think that's the rightway, man.
I think I stick to my guns onthis self-snapshot.
There's a lot of internal workthat needs to happen there.
A lot of irrational decisionsbeing made.
And yeah, he needs somechampagne for the heartbreak.

SPEAKER_01 (59:56):
By the way, you snap.
You're snapping on this whole...
I feel like this is a veryunique pocket that you have a
lot of strengths in.
Because...
We talk about a lot of things onFailure's Podcast.
There's something specific aboutthis scenario and you
immediately understanding whatthe diagnosis was for this guy
that I want you to build on alittle bit more.

(01:00:17):
Have you ever been throughanything where you were so, like
you said, don't confuseexcitement and the newness of
adrenaline be...
a mask for the pain that we knowyou're dealing with.
We'll dig into that a little bitmore.
Like what should he be doinginstead of trying to get quick

(01:00:38):
advice from us, move to a newcity, sell his house?
Because that's where the riskcomes in, right?
Because a lot of fucked upthings can happen in the next 30
days for this

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:47):
guy.
Yeah.
I mean, I would evaluate likewhat went wrong, right?
Like you made this person whowas part of your life for the
last seven or eight years sortof resent you, right?
And feel like they needed todetach themselves from you,
right?
So what were you overemphasizingthat just became too much for
this person, right?

(01:01:09):
Because if you meet anotherwoman, chances are you're going
to be the exact same way.
Like if you don't learn fromyour failures, you're just going
to keep repeating them over andover, especially when it comes
to relationships.
I could personally identify withthis guy because when I went
through a heartbreak and I was ahomeowner, my ex spend a lot of
time in my house and the housewould remind me of her and

(01:01:32):
different moments we had.
What did I do?
I put the house on the marketfor rental and I moved to, to a
luxury apartment, like toforget, refresh.
I forgot about that.
Yeah.
To reset.
Right.
In hindsight, it turned out tobe the right decision because I
got into a mental head spacewhere I needed to be.
And then.
Hey,

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:51):
easy, easy.
Cause right now you just

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:53):
told them to do all that.
Make sure you give them, makesure you give them more context.
No, no.
Listen, I, I'm advocating themove.
I think the sale's a good idea.
Don't be irrational, though.
Don't be irrational about it.
That's my advice.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:06):
You're in your feelings.
Most people make the worstdecisions in their life when
they're in their feelings.
When your emotions are drivingthe masculine truck, 4x4,
8-wheeler,

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:18):
you

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:19):
could destroy a lot of shit when your emotions are
driving.
Yeah.
Let some logic seep in.
Let some logic seep in.
Let some thought seep in.
Link with some close friends,some people that really know
you, that love you.
Not your mom.
It's not a job for your mom.
If your pops is around, go findyour pops.
Just find some stand-up peoplethat can give you some good
feedback because Rich, what yousaid and it really hit home for

(01:02:40):
me because I've been throughthis too, is sometimes you got
to do some personal evaluation.
You got to recognize, man, I'veowned over five plants.
Every time I go to Home Depot, Ibuy a new plant.
But three months later, everyplant that I have, it dies.
Man, these fucking plants.
They just suck.

(01:03:02):
It's like, my boy, maybe it'snot the plants.
Maybe it's you.
You're not good at what youthink you're good at, and you
keep trying new things, and theresult is the same because you
have to do some self-evaluation.
So I love that advice, man, andI don't want to speed past that.
I think that's very helpful foryoung men for sure.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:20):
Yeah, and giving yourself a window of 30 days to
sell the house, right?
Because you're giving yourselftime constraints, you're going
to inevitably let the house gofor cheap.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:35):
where does that time constraint come from?

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:37):
Like, what is it?
Yeah, he's going to let thehouse go for cheaper, right?
Because it'll sell quicker, butthen that's less capital that
he'll have to move into the newcity with, right?

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:48):
Oh, I get what you're saying.
It's the equivalent of drinkingalcohol, right?
Like, he just wants the pain togo away.
It's like a Wachata record or acountry song.
Like, it's really just about themoment.
Yeah.
There's no perspective.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:59):
Right.
You're rushing the process.
You're going to walk away.
with less money out of the salebecause you want to rush it
because it doesn't meet, youknow, the price you want.
It's not going to meet yourtimeline.
And it's just one potentiallydevastating decision after
another that's going to lead toa vicious cycle of looping you

(01:04:20):
back to where you originallyare.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:22):
You know, you said something earlier, which I think
the inverse of that point workshere as well.
You said good decisions and goodmomentum compound.
You had mentioned that earlier,like just keep stacking small
wins and keep moving in theright direction.
These things compound over time.
I think the inverse is true too.
Short-sighted, emotionallydriven, heartbreak decisions for

(01:04:48):
the adrenaline and the dopaminerush of just doing something to
get out of the pain.
I don't know what the reverse ofcompounding is.
I guess a reverse compound, thathappens too.
The momentum and the weight ofthat snowball when it goes
backwards is even heavier andhappens quicker.
So I think that's a good way offraming it, Rich, and I'm glad

(01:05:09):
you brought it up.
Just be mindful of all these baddecisions you're making in a
small window based on youremotions and how you feel.
The men and the word feelings,you got to be mindful about when
you start combining these wordsbecause young men specifically,
and this is science, not mebeing a fucking male chauvinist

(01:05:33):
pig, men are more risk adversebecause they're just designed
that way.
They're the most likely to go towar.
They're most likely to be on akamikaze plane and become
kamikaze pilots for the name oftheir religion.
They're more likely to save awoman from a burning building
they don't know.
They're more likely to drive amotorcycle 700 miles per hour

(01:05:54):
just to impress women.
They're more likely to put, thisis a personal story, 40 extra
pounds on the bench press justto impress the girl that's in
the gym and let that shit justfall on your chest and you
almost break your shouldertrying to impress somebody men
and emotions and feelings don'tgo well together because men are
naturally more risk tolerant andwe do crazy shit and then when

(01:06:18):
you add emotions all your logicis gone you just you're just
mashing the gas because now youfeel like it's the right thing
but slow down my boy you aboutto fuck your whole life up in
the next 60 days because youwant to get revenge you Yeah.
Now, Rich, you brought up a goodpoint.
We're not saying don't sell.
Shit, if you're going to sell inthe next 30 days, I got
something for you.

(01:06:38):
Why don't you start a group chatwith me and Rich and we'll buy
that house off of you?

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:44):
Bro.
We'll take it at the low pricethat you're selling it for
because we got plans for yourhouse.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:49):
Yeah.
Bro, for a full circle moment,going back to the analogy I said
earlier about the Lambo versushomelessness, the Lambo guy
could be Eric, right, who thehis father and ended up selling
his indie gaming studio formillions of dollars and he's the
guy in the Lambo and thisanonymous guy who sold the house

(01:07:12):
got a hundred thousand movedinto the new city could be the
homeless guy the guy who endedup homeless on the bench

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:18):
right that's crazy a tale of two stories the little
decisions that could affect ityep

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:23):
yeah it's like this guy went down one path you know
Eric went down the another pathand all with in 30 seconds of
each other, you have abundanceand homelessness.
It's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:38):
Rich, I want to close out the show with
actionable advice, as we alwaysdo on every episode, but I also
want to mix actionable advicewith steel man arguments.
And what steel man argumentsare, Rich and I, we go through
all of these forum boards and wewatch videos and we'll check in
with our community and we'll seethe traditional counter
arguments to the points thatwe're going to make.

(01:08:00):
It's always the Don't eat paintwarning.
Like, yeah, easy for you to say,but that, that, that.
So, In this scenario, I couldalmost see the number one most
upvoted comment when we postthis video is, these
motherfuckers are hypocrites.

(01:08:20):
In the beginning, they'retelling us, take more risk.
You're young.
Look at the upside.
And then on the second half,they're stopping Eric from
pursuing his passion andstarting his own company.
And they're stopping anonymousguy M from selling his house and
moving to to a big city.

(01:08:41):
I know that's not what we meant,but what is your response to
this inevitable number onecomment that we're going to have
on our YouTube channel?

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:48):
Yeah, I mean, listen, the common denominator
is that we all have choices.
We all have to make certaindecisions.
And going back to my earlierpoint, our decision compound
over time, both positively ornegatively, right?
But based on the decisions thatyou make, and I'm sure like we

(01:09:08):
could do like a family treespider web of like a a
successful person and a not sosuccessful person.
And if you did a family tree ofdecisions, right, if you just
connect the dots, there's apattern between the guy who
ended up being successful versusnot.
And ultimately, it was just acompounding of hundreds, if not

(01:09:28):
thousands of right decisions,small, micro, incremental
decisions that leads you to acertain result.
But we try the best we do toguide.
But all those decisions are onyou to make, right?
You're the owner of your domain.
This is where your neon signwould have came in.

(01:09:49):
Yeah, yeah.
We're getting the neon sign.
No gurus, no gods, just guides.
Just guides.
We can't tell you.
I'm not your fucking

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:57):
father.
That's basically, that's the oneI'm going to get.
I'm not your fucking father.
You're going to get a different.
All I know is how to dancesalsa, how to talk shit when I'm
playing pickup basketball, andhow to market music to the
masses outside of that I'm notsaying I'm anybody's father or
an expert So to your point,everything is contextual.

(01:10:18):
You got to live with thedecisions you make.
It's not a cop-out.
It's like the gym trainerreference, right?
It's like, it all depends.
If I'm training a diabetic,that's different than training a
90-year-old guy that wants to bein the MMA.
Like, everything is contextual.
What I can tell you is get goodsleep, eat high-protein foods,

(01:10:39):
and if you want to lose weight,low calories.
If you want to gain weight, highcalories.
And make sure you're consistent.
If you're a skill-based frame ofhealth, then work on your skill
while getting stronger.
If you're a diabetic, I wouldsay, aguanta la boquita.
Don't eat everything that's inyour fucking pantry.

(01:11:01):
Take all the sweets out of yourhouse, throw it in the garbage,
and that's your fight.
Everybody got a different fight.
No one here is going to give outone remedy that's going to solve
everybody's problems.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:13):
Now, Rich, one thing that you harped on, which we
have to talk about.
I think when we do thetranscription of this show, it's
going to be the one word thatwas said the most.
If you're unhappy, take asnapshot of your life.
Now we're in the actionableadvice portion of the show.
What is it about that that youkept going back to?
If you're unhappy, take asnapshot of your life.

(01:11:34):
Why is that good actionableadvice to you for all these
scenarios?

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:37):
Yeah, because we always harp on the end result,
right?
It's easy to look at others orwatch TV or watch reality or
look at someone who's successfulin your life and being like, I
want that.
I want that.
But like, do you understand thenecessary decisions, actions,
changes?
You have to pay the price.

(01:11:58):
Yeah, you have

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:59):
to pay.
Everybody has to pay.
You want a pair of shoes?
You got to pay the price.
You want a car?
You want what other people havein terms of physique or finance?
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:10):
Yeah.
And if you don't take that selfsnapshot to understand where you
are today, how do you know whatare the changes you need to make
to get to tomorrow, right?
You're looking at Z and you'reforgetting that B, C, D have to
happen in order to get to Z.
But if you don't take thatself-snapshot, you don't even

(01:12:32):
know where the starting line is.
And that's what we're saying.
We're saying take aself-snapshot, evaluate where
you are today, what you're nothappy with, the changes you want
to make, and understand that,okay, I'm about to go on a
journey of action to get to saidend result.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:53):
I love that you said journey of action.
That's a good way to frame it.
I could tell you're alreadygetting used to being the
YouTube guru guy because you'respeaking in like cool phrases
that people can tweet.
I actually see that being as abook that you wrote.
But the one thing that I wantedto say from the actionable
advice section is you have tofight past your discomfort.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:14):
If you're feeling stagnant, It's time to move and
go with your passion and go withyour interests.
We talked about that a littlebit earlier.
I know we got more detailed withthe two guys that had given
their story, but have you justskipped to the actionable advice
portion on this fear that youhave of taking too much risk in

(01:13:34):
your early 20s and you want toknow from two guys in their late
30s if we think it's worth it?
Yeah, it's definitely worth it.
Don't eat paint warning here.
It's all context-based.
Depends on the situation Butvery simple, actionable advice
is fight past the discomfort.
If your body is telling yousomething about something you

(01:13:55):
keep doing every day and you'renot happy with where you're at
in life or the people aroundyou, then that's the world and
your body telling you it's timeto make a move.
It's time to make a change.
I have a rock in my shoe.
I'm not going to keep walkingforward until I take care of
this first.
And I think that's important.
So you might be confusing theidea with risk.

(01:14:16):
with discomfort.
You're just uncomfortable rightnow.
You got to start moving in adifferent direction.
And the other thing is a lot ofrisk that these guys are talking
about is not risk because it'sgoing to take at least two years
to even execute what you want todo.
So you'll get a lot moreinformation as you move forward.
So start moving in a direction.
You don't have to make thatdecision right now.
As long as it's not money orsomething crazy, you're just

(01:14:39):
going in a different direction.
It's not risk.
You just want to look into acrystal ball and say, okay, if I
dedicated 12 hours to this, Am Igoing to get exactly what I
want?
That's not how life works.
You're going to find out moreshit as you move forward.
I was told from one of mymentors, opportunities bring
other opportunities, meaningtake the opportunity in front of

(01:15:01):
you right now.
It's like a jungle gym.
Grab the bar that's in front ofyou right now.
Don't worry about the last bar.
Just worry about getting a goodenough grip on this one.
And if you do it with urgencyand excitement and you're
curious and you're passionate,It's almost promised, bro.
It's almost promised.
Like today is Sunday, tomorrow'sMonday.

(01:15:21):
You're going to get anotheropportunity based on the first
opportunity you've got.
It may not be exactly what youwant, but sometimes you got to
put the outfit on, put thecologne on, get in your car, go
to the party.
And I promise you that's takingadvantage of opportunity number
one.
Opportunity number two is youwent to the party.
There's a girl there.
Opportunity number three is youdrank enough to go up to her and

(01:15:42):
start a conversation.
These things happen insequences.
They don't happen.
immediately.
So fight past the discomfort.
That's my advice.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:50):
Yeah, absolutely.
And we're going to make a wholeepisode about this, but that's
usually fighting the doubtmonster, right?
That's what prevents you frommoving forward and taking that
risk is doubt, right?
Like, am I going to come outpositively on the other side
after taking this risk?
And not every risk has aparachute, man.

(01:16:11):
Sometimes you just got to takethe plunge.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:13):
Rich, in the advice section, I wanted to add
something you mentioned earlier,and And I want you to kind of
take the ball and run with thisbecause of the two of us, you're
definitely the more financiallyresponsible one in our whole
time being alive.
You had mentioned runway earlieror saving money so you can give
yourself the freedom.
How would you put that into anactionable advice frame for

(01:16:33):
somebody like Eric, the kid thatwants to move out of his
parents' house but also wants tobe an entrepreneur?
Describe runway and put thatinto an advice kind of
packaging.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:44):
When it comes to financial advice, I default to
the, just save as much as youcan, right?
Like a six month cushion isalways the sort of default that
every like internet financialguru gives to anyone.
If you have a six month safetynet, that's usually enough
runway for you to make some, anydecisions, even some, some poor

(01:17:07):
ones, right?
You had to pay six months ofrent and you have that in a
savings account.
It just gives you more of alevel of comfort that you could
take a little bit more risks.
Try out a new job.
If it doesn't work out, you havethat safety net there.
If you get sick, God forbid,right?
And you need to come out ofpocket with some medical
expenses, you have a littlecushion there.

(01:17:27):
So that's my default is I wouldsave six months of expenses for
anything that may come up.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:34):
So to put it for the financially illiterate and the
people that think everything isrisk, everything, if I go
outside, I get hit by a car,that's risk.
If I go on a hike, a Cobra couldjump out and attack me.
It's like, yeah, bro, you can'tYou can't live in a fucking
plastic bubble your whole life.
You're always going to beexposed to risk if you want to
do anything in life.
But what you're saying is a lotof these questions we're getting

(01:17:56):
from our community, from youngpeople, which obviously they
don't have a lot of real lifeexperience.
You're saying a lot of thequestions you're asking us is
not about risk.
It's about how you mitigaterisk.
And all you really need is acushion to make sure that if you
don't succeed immediately, it'snot risk.
That just means you failed.
If you don't succeedimmediately, You have a cushion

(01:18:18):
to recalibrate and to keep goingforward.
So that's not risk.
You're just saying, just giveyourself six months to figure it
out.
It's going to take some time.
Not everybody figures it out intheir first shot.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:29):
Yeah, that's exactly right.
And yeah, I couldn't have saidit better myself.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:35):
Another actionable advice that I wanted to share,
Rich, and we could wrap on thisone.
Maybe you have another one, butI read this somewhere and I
loved it.
I don't good process to haveeven what we're doing in
building failures podcast whichis a media company that we're
investing time and money intowrite down the downside first

(01:18:55):
yeah we have a pre-mortem

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:57):
yeah

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:58):
i didn't even know what a pre-mortem was until i
seen somebody write it in ourcommunity and i was researching
it so basically it's like ifeverything went left and we
experienced catastrophic failurewe didn't get one win out of
this whole thing that we'retrying that is risky What's the
plan for that?

(01:19:18):
We start at the worst casescenario and then we reverse
engineer from there, which Ikind of love that because it's a
good way to manage, okay, thisis the worst case scenario.
I lose this much money.
I lose this much time.
I spent this much time with thisperson and now we're not
together anymore.
Am I a broken person?
Am I homeless on the street?

(01:19:38):
Did I go crazy and lose my mind?
No, I'm perfectly fine.
I got two legs, two arms, twoworking eyes, two working ears.
I'm not going to die if I fail.
So if you work from thepostmortem, you're going to
write down all the trap doorsand how you can resolve in case
this trap door does presentitself.
Here's a contingency that I haveput together.

(01:19:59):
So I think it's a step because alot of these young guys, they're
so smart that they trickthemselves into not doing
anything because they want tooptimize everything.
But I think the premortem is agood in between because it
allows you to live in thatnegative headspace, but to plan
as if something went wrong.
I I don't know if that makes

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:17):
sense.
Yeah.
I mean, listen, I think you needto do your research, right?
Like there's nothing new underthe sun.
If you're pursuing a career inmusic, I promise you there's
5,000 other people ahead of youthat have already gone through
every internship, every sort ofmusic industry vertical that
have existed.

(01:20:37):
You just need to do yourresearch and find who those
people are and where they liveand what forums are on, what
subreddits are on, what YouTubechannel they're on.
And information is out there.
So I think you need to spendtime doing the research on some
of these so-called risks thatyou're wanting to take.
And other people's experienceswill help you identify worst

(01:21:01):
case scenarios for you, right?
Because what was real for themmight not be your experience or
might be a little bit differentfor you.
But you got to put in the work.
You got to do the research andhelp the experiences of others
influence your decision makingor how you would modify that
particular decision making.

SPEAKER_01 (01:21:21):
Now, one last actionable advice I wanted to
give.
We already gave it, but I'm moreinterested in the steel man
argument because I did see thisin the comments section.
So one thing we talked about,Rich, was a lot of these guys
are younger.
When you're in your early 20s,it's an opportunity for you to
build your skill set, take somerisks, do some things that, you
know, the upside is very highwhen the downside is very low.

(01:21:43):
And one thing we talked aboutwas The 20s is the time where
you're supposed to learn, buildyour skill set, gather
information, go throughmentorships, you know, take some
shots.
One dude in the comment sectionsaid, which is falling onto our
steel man argument portion is,Bro, skills don't pay rent.

(01:22:06):
Cash does.
I love this.
This is one of these nerdymotherfuckers that annoy me.
When inflation is at 7%, thestudent loans loom and girls are
not trying to be with anybodywho doesn't have it right now.
Rent is 50% of your take home.
So only talking about maximizingskills and donating your time

(01:22:29):
for free as somebody thatobviously lives with a silver
spoon.
I think he's saying

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:33):
we have a silver spoon.
I hate this take, but continue.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:36):
Yeah.
You can always buy courseslater, but eviction kills dreams
today.
Take the shot.
By the way,

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:42):
classic internet.
Yeah, for sure.
This is definitely like afucking bro.
I got a response for this bro.
Listen, by the wait classify thetype of person this dude is
potentially bagging dating etclike the girls who want it now
like are chasing vanity a realwoman bro who's trying to build

(01:23:04):
a foundation of longevity willlook at a man as a fucking stock
and be like I think this isearly Apple stock early Amazon
stock like I agree I see thepotential he might not have it
all the way put together but hegot a car he got an apartment He
got a job.
He's been there for a couple ofyears.

(01:23:25):
He got a little savings, right?
Like I see the trajectory ofwhere he's headed and I'm
subscribing to this.
Let me take this chance.
You want to be with that woman,not the woman who wants you to
have it today, splurge on me,take me out here.
It's just two different ways ofthinking when it comes to dating

(01:23:49):
and forcing a guy to have italtogether.
for the benefit of tomorrow.
That grinds my gears because youknow who those are?
Those are the frat bros thatlive above you.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:01):
You know, it's funny.
Me and my girl call them thecrypto bros.
The crypto bros.
There you go, bro.
That motherfucker's definitelyran into a lot of money and just
terrorizing people in their late30s.
Real quick, this actually camefrom the same guy I was looking
through the comment section.
He said, bro, you're going tolisten to old people tell you
that you need to compound, buildskill, network, and focus on low

(01:24:25):
return investments and equity.
Me, I'm in my 30s and I'm what Icall a specialist.
Someone who chooses one lanesince my early 20s and I haven't
pivoted since.
While you're mastering 15different things, you could
build a decade of momentum towork in your favor and make

(01:24:46):
yourself impossible to catch uprather than doing a million
things and not knowing which oneyou want to pick in your 30s.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:54):
That I agree with.
That, I think, is some soundadvice.
I was actually telling my sonthis yesterday as we were
walking.
I said, you know what peoplemake the most money in life,
period?
He's like, what?
I'm like, people who areone-of-ones.
The world will compensate youhandsomely if you are one-of-one

(01:25:17):
at what you do.
LeBron James is one-of-one.
Kobe Bryant is one-of-one.
Most, if not all, UFC fightersare one-of-one, right?
Yeah.
So I told him, whatever it isthat you decide to do in life,
pick a lane and try to be thebest at that lane.
Now you're

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:33):
right.
Drewski is a one-on-one.
Kai Sanat is a one-on-one.
The dude who used to fuckinghunt alligators and was funny as
hell, who had that TV show, Oneof One.
All different lanes, just peoplewho master their craft.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:47):
Yeah, exactly.
I do agree with that advice.

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:49):
There you go.
Rich agrees with the bros,making Rich a bro.
Rich, I know you you said youwanted to make sure you
mentioned something at the endof every show feel free to throw
it into this episode you wantedto like subscribe what was it
that you were oh you wantedpeople to comment there

SPEAKER_00 (01:26:07):
you go comment yes we read all comments even the
trolls so comment let us knowyour feedback your thoughts
suggestions curse aside if youwant to and we'll respond on the
next episode

SPEAKER_01 (01:26:22):
there we go failures podcast this is our risk and
we're Until next week.

SPEAKER_00 (01:26:28):
Until next week.

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