April 8, 2025 • 58 mins
Breathing—it’s something we do every second of every day, but are we doing it wrong? According to James Nestor’s book Breath, the answer is a resounding yes. This week, we’re joined by my brother, who recommended this life-changing book to me years ago and swears by its techniques. Not only is he my oldest sibling and one of my closest friends, but he also made quite the impression at my wedding as the flower dude—strutting down the aisle with a sparkly fanny pack, tossing petals, and dancing to Britney Spears. You could say he’s pretty iconic. We're diving into Breath to explore how 90% of us are actively harming our own health by breathing incorrectly, the fascinating history of breathing and why our ancestors had it figured out, a wild experiment where Nestor plugged his nose for several days (spoiler: it didn't go well), and my brother's personal insights on utilizing these breathing methods. We’ll also discuss the book’s most shocking takeaways, practical tips you can start using today, and how something as simple as nasal breathing can transform your well-being.
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(00:11):
Oh gosh.
I'm so, I'm gonna be soself-conscious about that.
That's all I'm gonna be thinkingabout this whole time.
I already am, because a lot oftimes my resting session in my
mouth will be like partiallyopen.
Mm-hmm.
And I'm like, mm-hmm.
Was I just breathing through mymouth?
Oh my god.
I know.
It's crazy.
well let's get to it'cause wesure got a lot to talk about
today.
(00:32):
So welcome, welcome everybody tothe Generational Tea Podcast.
I'm your host Cana.
And I'm Ronnie.
And we actually have a littlesurprise guest for you guys, and
it is my brother, also known asthe most iconic, free spirited,
and amazing genius of all time.
Yes.
I'm Britney Spears impersonator.
Yes, that's true.
(00:52):
That's true.
I'm a, I'm a man of manytalents.
Yes.
You are me on this.
Yes you are.
Can I share on our social media,the flower dude video?
Oh, please do.
Absolutely.
Yes.
I actually, I was thinking aboutthat last night and I was like,
I feel like this is the thingthat would make us go viral on
TikTok or something.
I'm serious.
It would probably do prettywell.
Yes, I think it would.
(01:13):
Yes.
Let's do it.
Okay.
Well, yes.
So my brother, instead of havinga flower girl, my brother was a
flower dude and he went down theaisle to Britney Spears and you
know, just go check out oursocial media.
By the time this episode airs,I'll have it posted.
It's a very scandalous outfit.
Scandalous, I think definitelypg.
(01:34):
He definitely.
Scandalized Rhonda's very oldsouthern, conservative family
member.
Yeah, they're, they're still notover it.
Okay.
Well we wanted to have mybrother on this podcast today
because he is actually the onethat recommended this book that
we're gonna talk about today.
(01:55):
And I think he recommended it tome a few years ago and I bought
it and it sat on my shelf forprobably two years, but finally,
finally got into it and Wow.
Yes.
That's all I have to say.
I feel like the insights in itare quite literally life
changing and I have a way betterunderstanding of how important
our breathing is.
(02:15):
So that's the book we're gonnacover today is Breath by James
Nestor.
So Ronnie, do you wanna sharelike why he ended up getting
into this journey of exploringbreath and what issues he had
Yeah.
I'm gonna read a little excerpt.
those of you that are listening,you may be thinking.
I don't need this book.
I can skip over this.
This is, does not apply.
(02:36):
Well, let's listen to his storyand, I'm just gonna read it.
It, it won't take long.
It says The patient arrived paleand orpi at 9:32 AM Male middle
aged 175 pounds.
Talkative and friendly, butvisibly anxious pain, none.
Fatigue.
A little leveling of anxiety,moderate fears about progression
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in future symptoms high.
Patient reported that he wasraised on a modern suburban
environment, bottle fed at sixmonths and weaned on jarred
commercial foods.
The lack of chewing associatedwith this soft diet.
Stunted bone development in hisdental arches and sinus cavities
leading to chronic nasalcongestion by age 15.
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Patient was subsetting on evensofter, highly processed foods
consisting mostly of whitebread, sweet fruit juice.
Canned vegetables, steak, gums,yuck, ve beta sandwiches, et
cetera.
He talks about, his mouth hadbecome so underdeveloped it
could not accommodate his 32permanent teeth.
(03:42):
I'm sure some of you out hereare saying, Hmm, now this is
making more sense.
Incisors and canines grew incrooked.
Hmm.
Requiring extractions, braces,retainers, head gear to
straighten.
Three years of orthodontics,made his small mouth even
smaller so his tongue no longerfit properly between his teeth.
(04:05):
That is my next excuse if I getcaught sticking my tongue out.
Just let that go.
Uh, when he stuck it out, whichhe often did, visible imprints
laced his, the sides of it.
Uh, which is a precursor tosnoring.
At 17, four impacted wisdomteeth were removed, which
further decreased the size ofhis mouth while increasing his
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chances of developing chronicnocturnal choking, known as
sleep apnea.
He continued to age.
His breathing became more labordysfunctional and his airways
continued to become moreobstructed.
His face would continue avertical growth pattern that led
to sagging eyes, doy cheeks, anda sloping forehead in a
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protruding nose.
This atrophy, underdevelopedmouth, throat, skull belongs to
me.
That was what he said.
So this is the story of theauthor, and that will just
springboard us further into, nowwe, now that we all can probably
relate to this person in someway.
(05:09):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Now we're gonna talk about it.
Yeah, definitely.
Well, I can definitely relate.
Yes.
I'm a, I constantly snore andWeston will say like, I'm
breathing from my mouth at nightand then I, in the middle of the
night, I'll be smacking my lips'cause my mouth is so dry and I
think it actually wakes him up.
So probably, it's probably good.
(05:30):
I read this book, Hey, if you'rewaking him up, smacking your
lips, that's a talent, honey.
That is a gift.
Actually.
Gift.
No one could train themselves todo that.
Okay.
Yeah, for sure.
I know I can't go to bed withouta bottle of water beside my bed,
and I just really, yeah, and alot of times it's psychosomatic,
(05:52):
but it's there just in case Ineed it for some reason.
So, oh yeah.
I'm the same way.
that was one part that I reallyjumped out at me was like, I,
it's hard to sleep through thenight without, I feel like every
night I need a drink of waterand I also have to get up and go
to the bathroom.
Like there's, yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, I've noticed since Istarted doing the mouth tape in
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this last week that I rarelywake up during the night.
Like a lot of times I'll wake upbecause the pets will disturb
me, or Weston will be snoring,or I'll have to go to the
bathroom and now I just likewake up the next day and I'm
like, oh wow.
Feel rested.
That's awesome.
It's glorious.
It is glorious.
But yeah, now that we have abackground on where James Nestor
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was coming from when he wasgetting into the science of
breathing, you can kind of seewhy he was so interested in it.
So this book was released in2020 and throughout he provides
a lot of historical, scientificand personal examination of the
science of breathing.
Mm-hmm.
And especially with the interestof the contrast between
breathing through your mouth andbreathing through your nose,
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which is really, reallyincredibly important.
And I didn't know how importantit was until I read this book.
Yes.
first of all, lemme preface thisby saying we only covered the
first two parts of this book,that really focus on the
importance of nasal breathingand just how to correct some
things.
And then the next parts of thebook focus on more advanced
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breathing techniques that youcan use for other things as
well.
But we just wanted to kind ofget into the simpleness and of
what we feel like is the mostimportant part of it.
Immediately this book grabbed myattention.
So Nestor opens recanting, howhe was investigating free diving
instructors and the things thatthey would tell him that they
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have mastered their breathingand they're able to actually go
hundreds of feet beneath theocean surface and just on one
breath.
they would tell him how theyactually breathe in ways that
could expand their size of theirlungs by over 30%.
And they would tell him otherstories about like an Indian
doctor that actually lost weightsimply by changing his
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breathing.
A man who was infected with ecoli on purpose and then breathe
in a rhythmic pattern tostimulate his immune system and
destroy the toxins in minutes,which he did.
And also women who put cancersinto it, emission and monks who
could actually melt circles inthe snow around their bare
bodies over the course of hours.
And at first reading this,initially in the first one or
(08:19):
two chapters, I was like, that'scrazy.
Like there's no way.
But as you get further andfurther into the book, you start
to realize like, okay, thatthat's actually very real.
And he will dig more into thesestories as you're reading the
book.
So it's incredibly interestingand it sounds incredibly crazy,
but yeah, our bodies are crazy.
Our bodies are amazing.
So it's totally possible.
(08:40):
Absolutely.
So it turns out that 90% of usare breathing incorrectly.
I'm included in that which inthis incorrect breathing is
actually causing an aggravatinga laundry list of chronic
diseases.
So why should we correct ourbreathing to influence our
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health for the better?
Increase the size and functionof our lungs, hack our nervous
system to control our immuneresponse and gain endurance and
live longer.
I did not mention thisinitially, but James Nestor went
and wrote this book and studiedthis because in his forties he
had some serious lung issues andconditions.
(09:25):
Mm-hmm.
So he, he did it outtadesperation and so I'm so glad
he did.
We don't have to go there.
Yeah.
So, so in this book we're gonnalearn, a few things about how to
fix it.
Yeah, for sure.
I was very interested by justhow much, like common everyday
things that I think Americans, Iguess.
(09:47):
Uh, probably mostly Americans'cause you know mm-hmm.
We don't have the besthealthcare and everything is
poisoning us.
But I think people all over theworld too, just like chronic,
everyday things that a lot ofpeople seem to struggle with,
like asthma, A DHD, sleep apnea,insomnia.
Like a lot of this stuff is tiedto our breathing and there's a
lot of stories in there arepeople that were able to correct
their breathing or do certainbreathing exercises or change
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their breathing over time andsaw those things disappear.
Yeah.
So your mother's out there.
If you have a child that's stillwetting the bed and you're not
quite sure how to fix it, you'vehad the alarms, you've done, you
know, the extra sheets and allthat.
Listen up because this could bethe cure for your child's
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bedwetting as well, justlearning a different way of
breathing.
Yeah, definitely.
I think, and Nestor talks aboutthis a lot in the book that
we've kind of lost the art andthe medicine and the.
The human way of breathing overhistory.
And he frequently references alot of people that did studies
on ancient human beings.
(10:52):
And even, even he does that, Ithink he goes somewhere in
Europe to look at ancientskulls.
Mm-hmm.
And sees how different they are.
But anyways, he looks at andpresents a lot of information on
ancient human beings and alsoindigenous tribes.
And it reveals that our bonestructure and our face has
changed dramatically.
So our ancestors had enormousforward facing jaws, expansive
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sinus cavities, really hugebroad mouse and weirdly
bizarrely perfect straightteeth, which is interesting.
Yeah.
They never need no braces.
No braces needed.
Yeah.
And it's kind of funny to tothink about that.
'cause when you, when you lookat, you know, pictures of old
skulls or mockups of like, oh,here's what, you know, pre, you
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know, ancient humans look like.
We associate that with a look ofugliness of like, you know, the
broad face, broad nose, likereally big jaw structure.
We, we look at that and thinklike, oh, like that's so, you
know, ugly and primitive, butthey were probably a lot
healthier than us, at least asfar as just their, you know,
their, their breathing, theirability to sleep, not having
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cavities.
Uh, yeah, yeah.
Modern beauty standards don'texactly line up with this, but
we have so many more medicalissues, so.
Well, I bet he, I bet theylooked better like with skin and
stuff on, because they would be,I would assume that they would
be very symmetrical in theirbone structure and stuff.
(12:17):
And, you know, now the fashionand such is like sharp jawlines
and, and you know, thatcontrast, so.
I would think they probablylooked better than us'cause they
were like symmetrical andobviously they felt better'cause
they breathed, right?
Mm-hmm.
There you go.
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But yeah, it is true.
They weren't dealing with A DHDand sleep apnea and bedwetting
asthma and all that must benice.
Exactly.
So with these differences in thebone structure, in their face
and all those other things,these ancient humans and
indigenous tribes have widerairways than us.
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So they never snore, they neverhad sleep apnea enos us or other
chronic respiratory illnessesthat are so common today.
He kind of breaks this down as anumber of changes over time due
to our brains increasing in sizeas we became smarter and our
food becoming moreindustrialized and soft.
So a lot of ancient people andtribes would chew a lot more
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than we did today.
And also losing our breathing,like I said, and all the
benefits that it provides overtime has caused that these,
these changes in our bonestructures and in our health.
and a lot of these ancestors andindigenous peoples that breathe
correctly had a totallydifferent view on medicine and
life than us.
Mm-hmm.
So in one study, he referencesin the book that someone else
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did.
One indigenous tribe from 19hundreds America attributed
their vigorous health andstraight teeth to the great
secret of life breathing.
So getting into the experiment,he did this experiment along
with an another guy around hissame age.
so the actual experiment itself,phase one consisted of, these,
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two fellas plugging their noseand only breathing through their
mouth.
So, that.
Mouth breathing, was a, an issuewith them, even though, you
know, clearly Nestor had someother issues as far as
respiratory and such, the mouthbreathing certainly did not help
him at all with that.
In fact, it, it caused him more,issues.
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mouth breathing in itself cannotfilter moisten or heat air that
enters your airway.
It makes our lungs royally madand it causes us to lose 40%
more body water and disturb theoxygen flow to our pre forward.
Prefrontal cortex.
I am the medical person in thisplace.
(14:50):
Mm-hmm.
And I am having hard time.
We got you.
I know when he was talking abouthow mouth breathing disturbs the
oxygen flow to our prefrontalcortex, that's the maring region
that is associated with a DHD.
Mm-hmm.
That's, yeah.
The impulse, impulsivity, all,all of that.
mm-hmm.
(15:11):
Yeah.
So halfway through the phase,they did some physiological
data.
this was, definitely acontrolled study.
and they did a lot of,measurements and so they had
specific, numbers that they werechanging.
And then also.
Talking with these folks andseeing how they feel.
(15:31):
So it was a, a two-pronged typeof, of, experiment where it's
not just about how somebodythinks or how they feel.
It was more, objective.
They had true objective, thingsthat they were looking at.
Mm-hmm.
So, but wanting to know howthese guys felt having this time
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with their noses plugged and,spoiler alert, they both felt
terrible.
mouth breathing can causephysical changes in the body and
transform our, our airways,Beginning more mouth breathing.
So basically what it is, is onceyou begin in that way, there's a
physiological change thathappens within your airway,
within your sinuses that furtherperpetuates you to continue to
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mouth breathe, makes it harderto breathe through your nose.
Mm-hmm.
And so I, did you see that?
I'm trying, I'm trying my bestto do this.
I know.
After learning and just readingthrough the experiment.
Well, even like, just thinkingabout how like you physically
can't filter moisten or heat theair that goes into your lungs.
(16:37):
I was just like, ugh.
Right, right.
And we all know that we livedehydrated.
Most of us are severelydehydrated, chronically
dehydrated, chronicallydehydrated.
So we could drink as much wateras we wanted to.
If we are snoring or havingsleep apnea all night, we're not
retaining that.
Yeah.
'cause we're not, we're notcontinuing to feel it while
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we're asleep.
Yeah, it was interesting to melike in phase one specifically,
like how fast into that phasethey were just like immediately
feeling just awful, awful,awful.
And their physiological data wasreflecting that as well.
Just happened so fast.
So they were just like,completely blah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, if you think about howbad you feel when you're sick, I
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think that that plays a big rolein it.
If you're, if you have some kindof a sinus thing going on and
you're congested, so you mm-hmm.
Have to breathe through yourmouth and you always feel so
terrible when you're sick.
I think that that is part of whywe feel terrible is that Oh
yeah, we are mouth breathing thewhole time.
And so on the one hand you gotthe sickness and then on the
other hand, you're makingyourself more sick by not
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breathing through your nose.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hoo.
That's true.
I need to.
Next time I'm sick, I'm gonnatry my best to not breathe
through my mouth as much.
But it's tough when you'recongested.
It is.
But as you, I mean, you were,Rhonda you were just talking
about how the, you know, we, webreathe through our mouth and
(18:05):
then that begets more mouthbreathing'cause our, our sinus
airways start to collapse and sothen it's harder to breathe
through our nose.
But the inverse is true if youYeah.
You know, if you force yourselfto breathe through your nose,
your sinus airways will expand.
It starts to get easier.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and I've, you know, sincereading the book and putting
more things into practice, I'vefound even if I'm sick with some
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kind of a, you know, sinuscongestion, head cold, I'll
still be able to breathe throughmy nose.
Like I'll get congested.
So it's more difficult, but it'svery rare where I'm actually
sick enough that I'm like, Iactually have to breathe through
my nose.
Hmm.
Okay.
Well, that gives me hope.
I feel like I definitely need towork on my breathing and try to
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expand the airways.
'cause it feels almostimpossible to me to breathe
through my, my nose when I'mlike very congested.
So.
Mm-hmm.
I think that's a reflection onhow much mouth breathing I've
been doing in the past,unfortunately.
All right.
So phase two of the experimentis where it gets even more
interesting.
So it's basically the inverse ofphase one.
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So they tap their mouths andstrictly breathe nasally for the
same duration, with the sametest, the same schedules, all of
that, and really interestingresults.
So James Nestor actually had hissnoring and his sleep apnea
disappeared just within threenights of only breathing through
his nose.
Mm-hmm.
And the other effects as far aslike how they felt in their
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physiological data.
That was utterly transformedwithin just five days of this
phase two.
And they both focused on howthey breathe as well.
Inhaling and exhaling slowly tobalance oxygen and carbon
dioxide levels in the body,which he reveals is later in the
book, is actually the best wayto prevent chronic health issues
and improve athletic performanceand extend your life.
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Another thing to get intotowards the end of this
experiment is the perfectbreath.
So it's considered a five and ahalf second inhale, followed by
a five and a half second exhale,which works out to five and a
half breaths a minute, which isthe most efficient breathing
rhythm.
And I found this extremelyinteresting.
So this follows the pace ofHindu.
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Teo, Teo something.
Taoist and Native American.
TAUs.
Taoist.
Okay.
Thank you.
Mm-hmm.
Hindu, Taoist and NativeAmerican prayers.
It's a little bit slower than aBuddhist mantra, the original
Latin version of the rosary, theCatholic prayer cycle of Ab
Maria.
So, very interesting that thisperfect breath coincides
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rhythmic wise with so many ofthese prayers and he says this
in the book too.
Prayer heals, especially whenit's practiced at five and a
half breaths a minute.
So crazy.
And that's alarming as a nursebecause they expect a, you know,
respiratory rate, eight,anywhere from like eight to 20.
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if I went into a room and I'mdoing the vital signs, and this
person's breathing five to sixtimes a minute.
That could be alarming and it,and it, I would've definitely
had to report that.
So it's just That's a thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I, my, my Apple Watch willconstantly ping me saying like,
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your heart rate's too low.
And, uh, and it's like, it'swhen I'm sleeping, typically,
like if my, I think it's, if myresting heart rate drops, it's
either below 45 or 40, thenit'll ping me with like a, a low
heart rate notification.
But yeah, I, you know, I don't,I think it's actually good.
Like, it's not like it's a sharpdrop, it's just that like
mm-hmm.
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My baseline is right around,its, its threshold and will, you
know, be like a little bitbefore it, a lot.
Like, I think that's actually agood sign and not something to
worry about very much.
Yes.
Very much that resting heartrate.
I think it definitely gives youa better picture of what's going
on as far as your athleticcapacity.
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Again, breathing capacity andmuscle strength.
So yeah.
That's that's great.
Yeah.
That is great.
It also goes to show how this,science of breathing and all
this stuff that we've learnedand wanted to share, it's not
necessarily correlating withmodern Western medicine.
Yeah.
And it just shows how manypeople don't know about this
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stuff and don't recognize theimportance of it.
So we're happy to share it withyou on our podcast.
That is right.
Okay.
So next we wanted to get into,this is our last section before
we really break it into.
Tyson's insights and just thewider discussion.
So we wanted to talk about thenose because I found out a lot
of information about my doggingthat impressed me.
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So you might just think it'syour nose.
You may love it, you may hateit, whatever.
But it is also known as thesilent warrior, the gatekeeper
of our bodies, the pharmacist toour minds, and the weather vein
to our emotions.
And I sure did not know it didall that stuff before I read
this book.
Yeah, he wears all the hats.
Yeah.
I have a greater appreciationfor my nose now.
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So not only does it connect usto our oldest scent smell, which
is really our most intimateconnection to our surroundings,
but it also.
Clears air heats it, moistens itfor easier absorption into our
lungs like we've been saying.
It can also trigger a cavalcadeof hormones and chemicals that
lower blood pressure and easedigestion.
Mm-hmm.
And it also can respond to thestages of our menstrual cycle,
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regulate our heart rate, openthe vessels in our toes, and
store memories.
Wow it has a lot of differentfunctions.
And something I foundinteresting as well is that your
nostrils and every otherperson's nostrils actually pulse
to their own rhythm.
They kind of open and close likea flower in response to our
moods, our mental states, andalso possibly the sun and moon.
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And these are known as nasalcycles.
Now you have a betterunderstanding of your noses
capabilities.
And it goes far beyond anythingthat I thought, and probably you
thought as well.
So if our body was designed withthis small but mighty body part,
shouldn't we use it more?
Yes, for sure.
Yes.
The other thing I thought thatwas very interesting about this
was, the alternations ofbreathing through your nose,
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like mm-hmm.
the right side is, is more thefight or flight, part.
And you can, okay.
Y'all remind me.
I, I thought it was veryinteresting, and I think, I
don't wanna look back through mybook, but he was talking about
like the, the left side nostrilcan actually help you calm down
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mm-hmm.
And all that.
So I thought that was veryinteresting.
But which side did he talkabout?
I think it was the right afteryou eat, he talked about.
I believe so.
I think so.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
We'll just skip all that.
No, keep it in there.
But I, I just thought it wasvery interesting that.
You could.
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And so what I tried to dobecause of hormones and such,
have a good bit of anxiety.
And so what I've been trying todo is be conscientious of
breathing and even stopping upthe right side and trying to
breathe really good through theleft side to mm-hmm.
Just kind of calm that down soit, it, it's an instrument as
well.
(25:14):
Mm-hmm.
It's like a gatekeeper, but thenalso it's flexible.
I figured that every time webreathe through our nose, it was
just breathing through our nose,you know, at the same time.
Mm-hmm.
But the fact, that that open andclosure happens was very
interesting.
Yeah.
And I think it's a, it's atangible way that we can take
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some of our health into our ownhands.
It's like a tool mm-hmm.
That we can use.
Yeah.
The more you know about how yourbody functions and the grand
design of it all, you can kindof hack your body and hack your
life, I guess.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, it was very, I was, Iremember being astounded to
learn about just the, all theextra, I mean, you know, you can
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tell somebody that, you know,oh, your nose, it heats up the
air and it moistens it and itfilters it.
It's like, okay, yeah, well,that's kind of a no brainer.
But then you learn about allthese other body rhythms that,
it's like they synchronize tothe breath that's going through
our nose just from all the, youknow, nervous endings and
everything that's in our sinusesthat all of these bio rhythms
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synchronize to.
there's so much stuff thatstarts to break down if those
sensors aren't getting triggeredregularly for the, I, I think
what, like what clicked for meabout it was if you think of the
human body, like a biocomputer,like a living machine mm-hmm.
In a, a regular computer, likewe use an electronic computer.
There's what's called a systemclock, and everything that's
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running in the computer issynchronized to that.
The system clock keeps therhythm and then everything else
the computer does, it's, youknow, hooking into that to all
work together.
And so breathing kind of fillsthat function for us and the
human body.
But all of the sensors to keepthat going are all in the nose.
Like if we, if we don't breathethrough that, then it's just,
it's total breakdown.
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Yeah.
It's game over.
Yeah.
I thought it was veryinteresting about the skin
inside our nose, being that, ofthe skin of the penis and the
vulgar and, and the nipples.
Oh, do you have Ed startbreathing through your nose,
buddy.
Mm-hmm.
You know, or low libido, startbreathing through your nose.
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Mm-hmm.
I just thought it was just sofascinating.
Yeah, I was definitelyfascinated.
Yes.
Well, by that and then.
I think what really just likesat with me after this book was
in learning all this stuff aboutlike our nose and just how our
breathing is so connected to ourbody and our health.
I'm just amazed at how inlyconnected our body is, and we
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seem also to be connected tonature in the world as well.
And it's just like such a granddesign that it, it almost makes
your brain hurt trying to likethink about how it all connects
together.
But it's fascinating for sure.
Well, it's just like if you cutyour field with a sickle or
something by hand, a push mowereven, and you don't even know
that there's a riding moweroption, so you've been trudging
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away this task without thecorrect tool, which is what
we've been doing.
sidebar but I was telling Jimabout this realization of.
You know, our skin and such.
One morning we were just layingthere and I'm like, uh, did you
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know this?
So my hu you know, he, he doesnot say a lot.
You gotta really catch him.
Well, he sits there for a fewminutes and he goes, I think
it's working.
And he is, you know, that isjust not him.
He goes, that's right.
I think it's working.
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Oh my God.
Put it right to the test.
He's so funny.
He just, the quiet ones you haveto worry about because their
minds never stop.
It's true.
It's very true.
Oh my gosh.
Okay.
Well, since you have read thisbook, two or three years ago, is
that right?
Mm-hmm.
Something like that.
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And you've actually implementedthe practices and seen the
benefits.
We really want to get someinsights from you.
So after reading breath and inthe years since, what was your
biggest takeaway?
my biggest takeaway I would saywas how simple it is and how
simple this book makes it.
Um, mm-hmm.
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I mean, I'm, I'm someone that's,you know, I've been very
physically active and I've reada lot of books from all kinds of
different disciplines and pointof views that talk about the
importance of breathing and howit's crucial and you need to pay
more attention to it.
But none of it really stuck, or,you know, really clicked for me
why it was important, or, youknow, it's like, oh, you need to
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pay attention to your breathing,but what am I paying attention
for?
You know, what, right.
Why does it matter?
And James Nestor did such anamazing job of breaking down the
science of why it's importantin, you know, everyday terms.
They're easy to understand andalso he really emphasized the
message of, breathe through yournose and breathe slower.
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You know, there's, there's a lotof really in-depth stuff in this
book and some of the more likebody hacking things you can do
with like the holotropicbreathing and Wim Hof
techniques, but for just theeveryday person breathe through
your nose, breathe slower andinstant benefit to your life and
it really is that simple.
That was what, that was whatshook me more than anything was
that it, it's not some bigcomplicated thing.
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Right.
Yeah.
You don't have to purchaseanything to make it work.
Mm-hmm.
You know, it's not like you'regetting another exercise
equipment that's never gonna getused in my case.
Yeah.
I feel like I've read a decentamount of self-help books and a
lot of them don't really stickwith me afterwards probably
because like, one, it's notsimple, like it's overwhelming
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to, to think about or toimplement in your life.
Mm-hmm.
So I definitely appreciated thattoo.
It was like you can justimmediately focus on like one or
two things and see benefits toyour life and yeah.
It is so simple.
He did a great job of explainingit.
okay.
Which one, was there any partabout breath or breathe?
Do y'all call it breath orbreathe?
the book, is it called?
I call it breath.
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I think Breathe has the E on theend, doesn't it?
Mm-hmm.
I call it breath.
Okay, Brandon.
But either one would work.
I'm sure James would understand.
Yes.
I don't think he'll betriggered.
Tyson, was there any part aboutthis book that was truly
shocking or hard to believe foryou?
yeah, and I still kind ofstruggle to wrap my head around
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this, but he talks about the howimportant carbon dioxide is for
our body.
Mm mm.
it's so ingrained in us thatoxygen is good, carbon dioxide
is bad, but the, presence ofcarbon dioxide in our system
actually, regulates and helps tosupport so many things that our
body does, especially duringexercise.
If the carbon dioxide levels inyour blood are higher when
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you're exercising, it's like,you know, opens up capillaries.
It, there's, there's triggers, alot of things to help oxygen
flow better, but that carbondioxide level has to be
maintained high to do that.
And so, and that's why, that'swhy it's important to breathe
slow, to breathe less.
but our bodies to, to run, Iguess like peak efficiency, we
need a good amount of carbondioxide in our system.
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And if you, if you breathe toomuch, you're getting rid of too
much of it and you don't performnearly as well.
Mm-hmm.
Yep.
Yeah, I also had troublewrapping my head around that
'cause.
Yeah, like, I think just likeeven learning in science class,
you're just like, okay, carbondioxide, like that's bad.
Get out.
Mm-hmm.
But I think in the book he saidit was maybe like, the most
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important hormone in your bodyor something like that.
So yeah, definitely.
That was interesting for me assomeone that likes to work out a
lot, is just thinking about thatand my breathing in reference to
like me working out and alwaysfeeling like I'm dying.
I think this is in part three ofthe book.
he does an experiment where you,you basically take a hit of like
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pure carbon dioxide and mm-hmm.
The, I don't remember if it'spure or just a really high
concentration, but it triggers avery powerful.
Reflex in the body of just sheerpanic and terror and like, you
know, you know how it is whenyou hold your breath for too
long and you start to, like,your body starts to freak out.
Mm-hmm.
You know, it's like that dialedup to a hundred.
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'cause our, like, if we get toomuch of it, it really is bad for
us.
Like it's, it's a balance.
where if we, if we, um, breathetoo slowly and deprive ourselves
too much so the carbon dioxidepasses a certain threshold, then
it does really start to get bad.
And so we, we have this sort oflike a biological resistance to
it, which is what we start tofeel when we're out of breath.
And so mm-hmm.
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It, I think it is, that's whyit, it's hard for me to wrap my
head around and it feels verycounterintuitive to, you know,
learn to embrace that more, to,to help your body perform
better.
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah.
I read that in the book two daysago, what you were talking
about, and it's in reference to,I.
This patient that, I can'tremember if she was born with it
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or something happened, but shedidn't have an amygdala, so she
didn't have anything that wouldbasically, she had no fears.
Mm-hmm.
her brain just physicallycouldn't tell her, like when she
was in danger, when to beafraid, like she could do
anything and she would neverfeel like a fear response.
But when they did administer thedose of carbon dioxide for the
first time in her life, she waspanicked and afraid it was
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mm-hmm.
Really crazy anecdote.
But yeah, all the, all thestories and the studies and the
evidence uses in the book arejust so, so fascinating.
So hope you guys will read it.
I mean, we, we covered probablythe most important bits, but I
don't think anything compare toactually reading it for
yourself.
Oh yeah.
I mean, it's, there's somethingfor everybody in it.
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I mean, it's, mm-hmm.
unless you were taught how tobreathe properly and slowly
through your nose, at some pointin your life, you probably.
Need to learn how, like that'smm-hmm.
Yeah.
I think they talk about that ina lot in the first section of
the book of how that used to bea common thing.
Like they talked about a lot ofNative American tribes that
would mm-hmm.
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Teach their children how tobreathe and when they're, you
know, when their little newbornbabies are sleeping, they'd go
in there and hold their mouthshut to force'em to breathe
through their nose.
That was crazy.
Nobody does that now.
I, you know, I didn't, I didn'tget any nose breathing training
when I was a kid.
Me neither.
Especially not me.
I was the youngest of five.
They had other problems.
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It was Tyson's job to teach you.
They got your parents, I'mgetting to it a little bit late.
Is all vision failed?
Well, yeah, that was, that partwas interesting for me.
'cause I plan on having kids inthe future and I'm like, I
honestly want to make that a, afocus or learn how to help them,
like learn to do that from anearly age.
Mm-hmm.
So we'll see when, when itactually happens, if I can
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manage that, but.
Alright, well, next question,um, I just wanna know like the
specific breathing habits andtips that have made the biggest
impact for you over time, andhave you also been able to
maintain them over time?
Um, I mean, the biggest one, I,I, I feel I'm just always so
aware of my breathing now andmm-hmm.
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And mostly it's just, am Ibreathing through my nose or
not?
Um, yeah.
And I, I think that I, you know,before reading this book, I
breathe through my nose moreoften than not just as everyday
life goes, but not, not all thetime and especially not, like
when exercising, or just, yeah,you know, I don't know, but when
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like stressed out or worriedabout something, um mm-hmm.
The, the exercising I think wasthe biggest one.
I played a lot of sports, butmostly soccer and every soccer
coach, fitness coach, whatever.
Running coach over the yearsalways told me, breathe in
through your nose and outthrough your mouth.
That's the best way to do itwhen you're an athlete.
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Mm-hmm.
And, you know, come, then cometo read this book and find out
that's totally backwards.
That's actually like, terriblefor you.
'cause it like, it creates evenmore of this imbalance from
switching back and forth betweenthem and only getting inhales
and not exhales through yournose.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and so that's the biggestone for me is like I had for a
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long time, I had to force myselfto breathe through my nose, when
I was exercising, you know, outdancing or hiking or something
like that.
Um, and especially out in thecold, I think was the hardest
one.
You know, when you're out in thecold and breathing through your
nose, it really can kind of hurtyour nose if you're not used to
it.
And I, that took me a while'cause I like it just, it was
kind of miserable at first, butafter not that long, like, you
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know.
I, I read this book in like thelate fall, the first time I read
it.
And so I got to practice this alot right away.
And by halfway through thewinter I was like, oh, I can,
you know, I can go out and hikein the cold and breathe through
my nose the whole time.
And it's like, well, my nosedoesn't hurt anymore.
I'm like, oh, this is actuallyeasier.
And now I can go out dancing andbreathe through my nose and not
feel like I am out of breath.
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Mm-hmm.
So I think some of it's my bodyadapting to breathing a little
slower, but I think more of itis just like my sinus cavities
have really expanded in a bigway.
and so I, like, it's just, it'sgetting, it's gotten easier and
easier.
And so now, even though I, Istill think about it a lot and
will occasionally catch myselfbreathing through my mouth, um,
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it's like, I don't know.
It's, it's become so much, Iguess, like a part of my
everyday life now.
Yeah.
That's awesome not to alwayscome back to medicine, but as
you're saying that reminded me,the, the in through your nose
and out through your mouth is a,is a technique that we use for
people who are having panicattacks.
Mm-hmm.
And we would call it smell arose, blow out a candle.
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Hmm.
Interesting.
Yes.
So that is exactly the way wewould try to help people who
were in a panic.
So, so interesting.
Yeah.
I think he, I think hereferenced panic attacks in the
book and it was like focusing onthe perfect breath would help
people come out of it.
I don't remember if that wasexactly the solution, but I do
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remember him referencing panicattacks, I'm not sure.
Mm-hmm.
But anyways, when you're talkingabout sports, that, caught my
attention.
'cause I also never had anyoneteach me how to breathe
correctly as an athlete.
I think maybe I.
One time I can remember I waslike fresh off of conditioning.
I had like my hands on my knees.
I was like, that's dying,obviously.
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And my coach was like, try andbreathe to your nose.
And I just looked at him like hewas crazy because I was like,
there's no, I just can't.
And come to think of it, youcan, you just have to maybe work
on expanding your airways andbreath through your mouth less
to get to a point where it'smore comfortable for you to do
that.
Mm-hmm.
Because I have been doing likelow intensity workouts the past
couple days, and I've made it afocus to breathe through my nose
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and it's not easy, even thoughit's not even that intensive of
a workout.
Yeah.
But I'm hoping I'll be able tosee the benefits of it over
time.
Yes.
One other thing that's, I guessbecome like a part of my daily
or everyday life, if you will,from the book, is how important
it is to, to chew more.
Like I, I.
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Hmm.
You know, since reading thebook, I like, I avoid things
like smoothies, um, or likereally soft foods.
and try to, you know, if I havean option, get something that is
harder to chew that, you know,takes more effort.
Um, and I get the, you talkedabout this at some point in the
book, um, I'm not sure youpronounce it, but the F gum,
it's like a Turkish gum that'smm-hmm.
Um, the chewing gum, that'svery, like, very tough, very,
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uh, and it maintains its toughconsistency for chewing on, for,
you know, you can chew on it allday.
Um, and it's unflavored.
Um, which at first I was like, Idon't know how I feel that bad
about that.
But eventually I became to likeit.
Um, for one thing, it doesn't,like, it doesn't interfere with
tastes of anything you're eatingor drinking mother before, right
after it.
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and you, you kind of just forgetthat it's in your mouth and you
can just kind of, you know,especially if you're working on
a computer or something, you canjust chew on it throughout the
day and it's awesome for yourjaw.
Um, and like I've, wow, I'vealways had very crooked teeth.
and I like, you know, never gotbraces.
my teeth have been expanding,like it's pretty slow process.
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yeah.
But like, I can see it most inmy, like on the bottom of my
jaw, yes.
I have this crooked tooth downhere.
And it used to be so far insidethat the two teeth to the other
side of it were like actuallytouching each other.
And since I've like been doingthis over the last couple years,
the, there's like an actual gapnow where you can see it, like
it's actually moving back out.
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Um, nice.
And that's, that's all that I'vechanged is, I mean, the
breathing through my noseobviously, but also just trying
to chew on tough foods wheneverI get the chance to.
Nice.
Where do you get the gum?
I just order on Amazon.
Okay.
I.
Gotcha.
Yeah, I feel like that wouldactually help me a lot.
'cause I love to like, keep mymouth busy during the day.
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Mm-hmm.
It like helps me focus, I guess.
Oh, totally.
Yeah.
it kind of replaced, you know,I, I used to always just have to
have something I can be drinkingand sipping on.
Mm-hmm.
And if I, if I have the gum, Idon't feel that compulsion to
reach for, you know, some kindof beverage nearly as much.
Okay.
Mm.
Okay.
That's helpful.
'cause I, I do that a lot wherelike I always have to have my
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little drinky while I'm doingstuff or a snack.
Yeah.
Wow.
I know.
That's awesome.
That's crazy.
Okay, we got one more question.
Ronnie, you wanna take it?
Yeah.
Have you noticed any differencesin your physical, we just talked
about your teeth.
physical or mental wellbeing orany other unexpected benefits
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since reading and having thetime to utilize this breath?
Um, my, my physical fitness hasimproved significantly, and what
I think has been reallyinteresting is, I, I notice that
most when I am, you know, quoteunquote outta shape where I,
let's, I just haven't beenexercising as much lately.
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And then if I, let's say, can'tgo up to the mountains to go for
a hike, it's a lot easier than Iexpect it to be.
You know, it used to be if Ihadn't been working out a lot
recently, and then I try to goand do something like that and
I'm just gonna be huffing andpuffing and, you know, dying and
it's like, oh, that's just,that's how it is if you don't do
it every day.
But if I breathe slow, breathethrough my nose, then they talk
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about this in their, in theexperiment.
They did the first part of thebook where when they would do
their workouts on their exercisebikes, if they were breathing
properly through their nose, youknow, the first few minutes,
first five to 10 minutes.
Those kind of always suck in a,like cardio based workout.
'cause your body needs to, youknow, get, get into rhythm, get
going, but then mm-hmm.
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After that it's very easy to hitthe, you know, the so-called
runner's high and just fall intoa rhythm and be like, oh, hey,
this is, like, this is notnearly as hard as I expected it
to be.
So that's like, that's beenreally nice.
'cause like I used to, I used tokinda stress me out of feeling
like I have to be working outhard all the time and stay in
this really high level of shapeif I wanna be able to, you know,
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enjoy the things like hiking,when I do them, instead of it
being just total suffering.
So that, that's been a nice, um,physical benefit.
and I think the other big onefor me has been, my circulation.
and I noticed this more in.
I guess the extreme coldweather, but also in hot
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weather, your, yourcirculation's really important
for your body maintaining itstemperature and mm-hmm.
he kind of references this insort of, in passing in a few
parts in the book, but there's,there's another book that I've
read that talks about in moredepth, which is, if you are
breathing properly, you start tofeel this tingling in your, in
your extremities, in yourfingers, and in your toes.
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And that's from your circulationactually firing the way that
it's supposed to.
And you will notice this if youare out on a cold day, or even
if you're out on a really hotday, that your body's going be
able to withstand thetemperature better and you're
not going to feel as muchsuffering as a result,
especially in cold.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, he, there, there's atechnique that he talks about.
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I think it's in part three and Ibelieve it's one of, uh, Wim
Hofs breathing techniques, butit's something for.
Warming your body up.
it's a variation of what the,the monks they talk about that
would, you know, melt the snowaround their bodies.
Mm-hmm.
but it's, it's a pretty simpleone where you essentially sort
of hyperventilate very bigbreaths for 30 breaths, and then
you breathe out and hold yourbreath with no air in your lungs
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as long as you can, and thenbreathe in, hold it again as
long as you can, and then returnto breathing.
Normally it's very simpleexercise, but it heats your body
up like a furnace.
And I use this, I do a lot ofmotorcycle trips, and so if I'm
on my motorcycle and it's coldand I'm, you know, everything's
starting to go numb, I'll do acouple cycles of this and then
I'm toasty warm, and so I'll,you know, do that every 30
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minutes or so.
And then.
You know, I'm not worrying aboutfrostbite anymore.
That's great.
That was fascinating for me toread as someone that hates the
cold and like just, I can't evenfathom being in the cold longer
than I have to.
But just reading about theretreats, people would go on to
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learn this breathing techniqueand they would go outside in
their britches and like roll inthe snow, go on a mountain hike
again, still in like theirbritches and then jump into like
an ice cold lake.
Mm-hmm.
And just through utilizing thistechnique, they were totally
fine.
Like, didn't get sick, didn'tget prospect, nothing.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
It's pretty, it's prettyamazing.
It's, it's, it'scounterintuitive for cold'cause
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like, our reflex when it's coldis to like, to hunch up and
like, we, we clench our handstogether like this.
Mm-hmm.
But that makes your hands morecold'cause you're like, you're,
you're shutting out thecirculation.
Like you, you need your hands tobe like loose and moving so the
blood can get to them and that'sgonna warm you up so much more.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Well, maybe I can live in a coldstate and survive with breathing
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technique.
I've learned.
It'll be a little bit, you'redown there in humidity city.
Yeah.
I have one where I can makemyself as cold as possible.
Yeah.
15 degrees here.
Maybe we just breathing already.
Just breathing slow will help.
Like it, uh, that it helps yourbody cool itself down too.
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Yeah.
Okay.
Well, I'll be sure to practicemy breathing this summer.
When?
Mm-hmm.
One thing I wanted to add, and Ididn't put it on the outline
mm-hmm.
But I thought this mightresonate with folks as well, is
nester noted that he had read areport from the Mayo Clinic, uh,
which found that chronicinsomnia, which is, you know,
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has long been as assumed as apsychological disorder, chronic
insomnia, not being able tosleep.
They've treated it psychologicalpsychologically, but now it's
often a breathing problem.
It's not a psychologicalproblem.
And I feel like there are somepeople out there right now that
are really struggling to sleep.
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Mm-hmm.
For whatever reason that is.
we are not, attempting to bemedical advisors, but I would
hate to for folks to think Ican't sleep at night because
there's something wrong with merather than.
I can't sleep at night becausethere's an aspect of my life
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that I'm not using properly,like mm-hmm.
Or of my body.
So I just wanted to encouragepeople that if you're listening
to this and you have issues withinsomnia, it definitely is
directly related as well.
You could have insomnia and nothave sleep apnea.
and so I just wanted to makesure that folks knew that as
well, if you're struggling to goto, to be able to sleep.
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Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.
I mean, it's, the way that Ithink of it is whatever the
cause of your insomnia, it mightbe something, but other than
your breathing, but if you'rebreathing poorly, that's making
it worse.
Yes.
It's muddying the waters.
It's going to make it difficultto actually diagnose any real
issues that you have, right?
Mm-hmm.
So, you know, save yourself alot of headache and mm-hmm.
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Get rid of all the extrasymptoms so you can get right to
the core of the issue, right?
Mm-hmm.
Right.
And, and if it's, if it is.
If it's not a psychologicalproblem, you can keep pumping
meds, chemicals, and all that,that might make you sleep, but
you're, you're not getting rest.
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Mm-hmm.
And who knows what all thosemedications are doing to your
body over time.
Exactly.
So, yeah.
Well, I think you made a goodpoint.
We're obviously not medicalprofessionals.
Well, you were in the past, butanything we bring to this
podcast, we're not responsibleif something goes wrong.
Yes, yes.
That's all I have to say.
I know James Nester makes a lotof big statements with a lot of
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chronic illnesses that arecommon today.
And for me, I really believethat there's a science to it and
that breathing can help those.
Mm-hmm.
and he backs it up with a lot ofhistorical and scientific and
personal evidence.
But I will say just.
Take that with a grain of salt.
I encourage you to actually readthe book and see how you feel
about it.
Yeah.
I am definitely gonna be takingthe insights from this book and
applying it to my life and wewill update you guys and let it
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know how it goes first.
But yeah, definitely encourageyou to read this book'cause I
guarantee you'll take at leastone thing from it.
Mm-hmm.
That'll make your life betterfor sure.
All right, well we're doing thewhat she said, or in this case,
he said James Nestor himself.
Ronnie, do you wanna read thequote?
Yes.
He said that expression is theopposite of depression.
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Go for it.
So expressing yourself will bethe opposite of depressing
yourself.
So go for it.
Express what you need to get itout.
Don't hold it in.
It's just poison.
yeah, I really like that quotejust for life, I think.
Mm-hmm.
Someone that's struggled withdepression in the past.
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I think that this is very true.
Like I think I've.
Healed my depression or be ableto pull myself out of slumps
when I'm focusing on like mycreativity or doing some form of
expression.
But in the context of this book,this quote is kind of talking
about like active consciousbreathing as an expression can
help combat feelings ofnegativity or stagnation.
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So engage with your breathingand express yourself in other
ways.
'cause it can lead tomindfulness and peace and
presence within your body, whichI think at the end of the day is
something that we all need andare looking for.
Right?
Ain't know the truth.
It seems unattainable, but wait,try.
Cool.
Well, do you wanna read ourchallenge for the week, Ronnie?
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Yes.
So, you'll take around 670million breaths in your life, no
matter how far you are into thatbreath journey.
Maybe you'd like to take a fewmillion more.
so our challenge this week is wewant you to try to breathe as
nasally as much as you can.
you know, he said, try tapingyour mouth.
(52:35):
Well, our son, Weston Kaya'shusband has suffered from sleep
apnea from a young preteen age.
And so I remember he was, didn'tlike the dental thing, the
dental apparatus.
We had tried everything,couldn't keep the CPAP on, you
know, throw it across the roomin the middle of the night and
(52:58):
he somehow came up and startedtaping his mouth shut.
Do you remember when he startedthat?
Mm-hmm.
That was, yeah, he did it like ayear or two ago.
Yes.
He didn't over time.
Interesting.
Yes, He didn't do it long enoughto actually see the benefits, I
don't think, but I haven'tencouraged him to do it again.
But he's like, oh, my mustache,whatever, dude, shit.
(53:20):
But, but that tap in your mouthshut.
And so, but just to let youknow, as a mother, Jim and
Father Jim and I were like, ohmy God, that is horrendous.
You know, we're thinking, thisis terrible.
Our kid is taking his mouthshut.
Call the doctor.
Call nine one one.
He's torturing himself.
He's torturing himself.
(53:42):
I don't know if this is fromCana or where it's coming from.
Well, now it is gonna be, yes, ahundred percent he's gonna get
it from always.
But, um, in saying that, therewere different tape techniques
that he talks about, but heended up figuring out that
really all you needed was abouta postage stamp size of tape,
(54:04):
and just right in the front.
Mm-hmm.
So that way, if you needed totalk, you could still talk out
the side.
Mm-hmm.
'cause Lord knows you can takemy, my mouth shut.
I ain't gonna stop talking.
Mm-hmm.
That is the dang truth.
My husband is so looking forwardto this.
He said, well, maybe it shouldbe, a small envelope size.
(54:25):
Maybe if it's, if a postagestamp is good, how about like
just a whole three inchpainter's tape situation?
But he mentioned it and heactually mentioned what he came
with.
So again, uh, no one's paying usfor this.
We're doing this completelyfree.
(54:46):
our, our husbands and ourfamilies pay one way or the
other, but you do not.
3M makes a next Care dur dpo.
Mm-hmm.
It's like a durable cloth tape.
And again, he said just right inthe middle.
So if you wanted to try that, itjust, different things left a
heavier adhesive, you know, rip.
(55:08):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
You don't wanna rip the toplayer of your lips off.
Uh, but, anyways, That's onething.
And, and just as a little side,I know what some of you moms are
thinking, you know, well, we'vebeen to the dentist and the
orthodontist, and now we'vegotta buy braces.
Okay?
It's probably not gonna work foryour kid.
(55:29):
But what you could say is, no,we're not getting braces.
I'm gonna tape your mouth shut.
For the next three years.
Let's see which one works.
And then one, one week later,CPS is showing up.
Yes, yes.
Yeah.
One week later, kid goes, he'sgot all this gunked up stuff on
his mouth.
Oh, well my mom's been taping mymouth shut.
(55:51):
So it's only at night.
Yes.
So you know, it, it soundscrazy, but it sounds like also
because, Mr.
Nester also talked about that aswell, his facial structure
changing after doing this for solong.
And so anyways, yeah, there yougo.
Well, yeah, we're definitelygonna try it.
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I'm gonna continue to do themouth tape and breathe through
my nose.
So we'll keep you posted on howour breath journey's going.
Yes.
And then if you wanna do thesame, feel free to do that.
You can leave a comment on oneof our episodes, or you can
reach out to us on social mediaat generational teapot.
But yeah, let us know how yourchallenges are going and how
your breath journey's going.
Really interested to hear fromlots of people on how it.
Changing their lives.
(56:33):
Yes.
And thank you Tyson for gettingup.
we are representing three timezones right now, y'all.
We are.
Mm-hmm.
So we are definitely diverse andinclusion right here.
All across the country.
All across the country.
We are covered all the bases, sothank you.
Well, yeah, thank you, Tyson.
It's so fun to actually have afamily member and one that I'm
(56:55):
so close with on the podcast.
It is.
And you were able to share somuch good information on this
book.
So thank you so much.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Thanks for having me.
This was really a, a ton of fun.
And you know, I'm, such a nerdabout this book.
I mean, I I'm glad that you're,you're understanding now.
'cause when I first read it, Iwas like, I'm telling everybody
about this.
If you believe this.
Yes.
And, and until you read it, it'shard to appreciate the power of
(57:18):
the information it has.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
It sounds like a very boringbook.
Mm-hmm.
But it is a, it is a great read.
It's a fast read.
Mm-hmm.
Oh, absolutely.
it's not bogging you down with,you know, information that's
totally useless.
He, he mentions things in thestudies, but goes straight to
the practical application.
(57:39):
So for that, it's a good, a goodread.
Yeah, definitely.
Well, I'll link the mouth tapeon Amazon as well as the book on
Amazon.
So you can go and, and the gumcheck it out.
The gum and the gum.
Oh yeah.
I'll send you the gum.
Yeah.
Yes.
The gum too life.
Yeah.
So we'll all embark on thisbreathing journey together and
hopefully have our liveschanged.
(58:01):
Yes.
Alright.
So Ty, this is what we do toclose out our episodes.
Are you ready?
Yep, I'm ready.
And that's, that's the tea.
Tea.
So it's like a, that's the teateas what it Great job.
A big yes.
Yes.
Thank you guys.
(58:21):
We'll see you next time.
Happy breathing.
Oh gosh.
I'm so, I'm gonna be soself-conscious about that.
That's all I'm gonna be thinkingabout this whole time.
I already am, because a lot oftimes my resting session in my
mouth will be like partiallyopen.
Mm-hmm.
And I'm like, mm-hmm.
Was I just breathing through mymouth?
Oh my god.
I know.
It's crazy.
well let's get to it'cause wesure got a lot to talk about
today.
(00:32):
So welcome, welcome everybody tothe Generational Tea Podcast.
I'm your host Cana.
And I'm Ronnie.
And we actually have a littlesurprise guest for you guys, and
it is my brother, also known asthe most iconic, free spirited,
and amazing genius of all time.
Yes.
I'm Britney Spears impersonator.
Yes, that's true.
(00:52):
That's true.
I'm a, I'm a man of manytalents.
Yes.
You are me on this.
Yes you are.
Can I share on our social media,the flower dude video?
Oh, please do.
Absolutely.
Yes.
I actually, I was thinking aboutthat last night and I was like,
I feel like this is the thingthat would make us go viral on
TikTok or something.
I'm serious.
It would probably do prettywell.
Yes, I think it would.
(01:13):
Yes.
Let's do it.
Okay.
Well, yes.
So my brother, instead of havinga flower girl, my brother was a
flower dude and he went down theaisle to Britney Spears and you
know, just go check out oursocial media.
By the time this episode airs,I'll have it posted.
It's a very scandalous outfit.
Scandalous, I think definitelypg.
(01:34):
He definitely.
Scandalized Rhonda's very oldsouthern, conservative family
member.
Yeah, they're, they're still notover it.
Okay.
Well we wanted to have mybrother on this podcast today
because he is actually the onethat recommended this book that
we're gonna talk about today.
(01:55):
And I think he recommended it tome a few years ago and I bought
it and it sat on my shelf forprobably two years, but finally,
finally got into it and Wow.
Yes.
That's all I have to say.
I feel like the insights in itare quite literally life
changing and I have a way betterunderstanding of how important
our breathing is.
(02:15):
So that's the book we're gonnacover today is Breath by James
Nestor.
So Ronnie, do you wanna sharelike why he ended up getting
into this journey of exploringbreath and what issues he had
Yeah.
I'm gonna read a little excerpt.
those of you that are listening,you may be thinking.
I don't need this book.
I can skip over this.
This is, does not apply.
(02:36):
Well, let's listen to his storyand, I'm just gonna read it.
It, it won't take long.
It says The patient arrived paleand orpi at 9:32 AM Male middle
aged 175 pounds.
Talkative and friendly, butvisibly anxious pain, none.
Fatigue.
A little leveling of anxiety,moderate fears about progression
(02:57):
in future symptoms high.
Patient reported that he wasraised on a modern suburban
environment, bottle fed at sixmonths and weaned on jarred
commercial foods.
The lack of chewing associatedwith this soft diet.
Stunted bone development in hisdental arches and sinus cavities
leading to chronic nasalcongestion by age 15.
(03:19):
Patient was subsetting on evensofter, highly processed foods
consisting mostly of whitebread, sweet fruit juice.
Canned vegetables, steak, gums,yuck, ve beta sandwiches, et
cetera.
He talks about, his mouth hadbecome so underdeveloped it
could not accommodate his 32permanent teeth.
(03:42):
I'm sure some of you out hereare saying, Hmm, now this is
making more sense.
Incisors and canines grew incrooked.
Hmm.
Requiring extractions, braces,retainers, head gear to
straighten.
Three years of orthodontics,made his small mouth even
smaller so his tongue no longerfit properly between his teeth.
(04:05):
That is my next excuse if I getcaught sticking my tongue out.
Just let that go.
Uh, when he stuck it out, whichhe often did, visible imprints
laced his, the sides of it.
Uh, which is a precursor tosnoring.
At 17, four impacted wisdomteeth were removed, which
further decreased the size ofhis mouth while increasing his
(04:27):
chances of developing chronicnocturnal choking, known as
sleep apnea.
He continued to age.
His breathing became more labordysfunctional and his airways
continued to become moreobstructed.
His face would continue avertical growth pattern that led
to sagging eyes, doy cheeks, anda sloping forehead in a
(04:49):
protruding nose.
This atrophy, underdevelopedmouth, throat, skull belongs to
me.
That was what he said.
So this is the story of theauthor, and that will just
springboard us further into, nowwe, now that we all can probably
relate to this person in someway.
(05:09):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Now we're gonna talk about it.
Yeah, definitely.
Well, I can definitely relate.
Yes.
I'm a, I constantly snore andWeston will say like, I'm
breathing from my mouth at nightand then I, in the middle of the
night, I'll be smacking my lips'cause my mouth is so dry and I
think it actually wakes him up.
So probably, it's probably good.
(05:30):
I read this book, Hey, if you'rewaking him up, smacking your
lips, that's a talent, honey.
That is a gift.
Actually.
Gift.
No one could train themselves todo that.
Okay.
Yeah, for sure.
I know I can't go to bed withouta bottle of water beside my bed,
and I just really, yeah, and alot of times it's psychosomatic,
(05:52):
but it's there just in case Ineed it for some reason.
So, oh yeah.
I'm the same way.
that was one part that I reallyjumped out at me was like, I,
it's hard to sleep through thenight without, I feel like every
night I need a drink of waterand I also have to get up and go
to the bathroom.
Like there's, yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, I've noticed since Istarted doing the mouth tape in
(06:13):
this last week that I rarelywake up during the night.
Like a lot of times I'll wake upbecause the pets will disturb
me, or Weston will be snoring,or I'll have to go to the
bathroom and now I just likewake up the next day and I'm
like, oh wow.
Feel rested.
That's awesome.
It's glorious.
It is glorious.
But yeah, now that we have abackground on where James Nestor
(06:35):
was coming from when he wasgetting into the science of
breathing, you can kind of seewhy he was so interested in it.
So this book was released in2020 and throughout he provides
a lot of historical, scientificand personal examination of the
science of breathing.
Mm-hmm.
And especially with the interestof the contrast between
breathing through your mouth andbreathing through your nose,
(06:56):
which is really, reallyincredibly important.
And I didn't know how importantit was until I read this book.
Yes.
first of all, lemme preface thisby saying we only covered the
first two parts of this book,that really focus on the
importance of nasal breathingand just how to correct some
things.
And then the next parts of thebook focus on more advanced
(07:16):
breathing techniques that youcan use for other things as
well.
But we just wanted to kind ofget into the simpleness and of
what we feel like is the mostimportant part of it.
Immediately this book grabbed myattention.
So Nestor opens recanting, howhe was investigating free diving
instructors and the things thatthey would tell him that they
(07:36):
have mastered their breathingand they're able to actually go
hundreds of feet beneath theocean surface and just on one
breath.
they would tell him how theyactually breathe in ways that
could expand their size of theirlungs by over 30%.
And they would tell him otherstories about like an Indian
doctor that actually lost weightsimply by changing his
(07:57):
breathing.
A man who was infected with ecoli on purpose and then breathe
in a rhythmic pattern tostimulate his immune system and
destroy the toxins in minutes,which he did.
And also women who put cancersinto it, emission and monks who
could actually melt circles inthe snow around their bare
bodies over the course of hours.
And at first reading this,initially in the first one or
(08:19):
two chapters, I was like, that'scrazy.
Like there's no way.
But as you get further andfurther into the book, you start
to realize like, okay, thatthat's actually very real.
And he will dig more into thesestories as you're reading the
book.
So it's incredibly interestingand it sounds incredibly crazy,
but yeah, our bodies are crazy.
Our bodies are amazing.
So it's totally possible.
(08:40):
Absolutely.
So it turns out that 90% of usare breathing incorrectly.
I'm included in that which inthis incorrect breathing is
actually causing an aggravatinga laundry list of chronic
diseases.
So why should we correct ourbreathing to influence our
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health for the better?
Increase the size and functionof our lungs, hack our nervous
system to control our immuneresponse and gain endurance and
live longer.
I did not mention thisinitially, but James Nestor went
and wrote this book and studiedthis because in his forties he
had some serious lung issues andconditions.
(09:25):
Mm-hmm.
So he, he did it outtadesperation and so I'm so glad
he did.
We don't have to go there.
Yeah.
So, so in this book we're gonnalearn, a few things about how to
fix it.
Yeah, for sure.
I was very interested by justhow much, like common everyday
things that I think Americans, Iguess.
(09:47):
Uh, probably mostly Americans'cause you know mm-hmm.
We don't have the besthealthcare and everything is
poisoning us.
But I think people all over theworld too, just like chronic,
everyday things that a lot ofpeople seem to struggle with,
like asthma, A DHD, sleep apnea,insomnia.
Like a lot of this stuff is tiedto our breathing and there's a
lot of stories in there arepeople that were able to correct
their breathing or do certainbreathing exercises or change
(10:10):
their breathing over time andsaw those things disappear.
Yeah.
So your mother's out there.
If you have a child that's stillwetting the bed and you're not
quite sure how to fix it, you'vehad the alarms, you've done, you
know, the extra sheets and allthat.
Listen up because this could bethe cure for your child's
(10:31):
bedwetting as well, justlearning a different way of
breathing.
Yeah, definitely.
I think, and Nestor talks aboutthis a lot in the book that
we've kind of lost the art andthe medicine and the.
The human way of breathing overhistory.
And he frequently references alot of people that did studies
on ancient human beings.
(10:52):
And even, even he does that, Ithink he goes somewhere in
Europe to look at ancientskulls.
Mm-hmm.
And sees how different they are.
But anyways, he looks at andpresents a lot of information on
ancient human beings and alsoindigenous tribes.
And it reveals that our bonestructure and our face has
changed dramatically.
So our ancestors had enormousforward facing jaws, expansive
(11:13):
sinus cavities, really hugebroad mouse and weirdly
bizarrely perfect straightteeth, which is interesting.
Yeah.
They never need no braces.
No braces needed.
Yeah.
And it's kind of funny to tothink about that.
'cause when you, when you lookat, you know, pictures of old
skulls or mockups of like, oh,here's what, you know, pre, you
(11:35):
know, ancient humans look like.
We associate that with a look ofugliness of like, you know, the
broad face, broad nose, likereally big jaw structure.
We, we look at that and thinklike, oh, like that's so, you
know, ugly and primitive, butthey were probably a lot
healthier than us, at least asfar as just their, you know,
their, their breathing, theirability to sleep, not having
(11:56):
cavities.
Uh, yeah, yeah.
Modern beauty standards don'texactly line up with this, but
we have so many more medicalissues, so.
Well, I bet he, I bet theylooked better like with skin and
stuff on, because they would be,I would assume that they would
be very symmetrical in theirbone structure and stuff.
(12:17):
And, you know, now the fashionand such is like sharp jawlines
and, and you know, thatcontrast, so.
I would think they probablylooked better than us'cause they
were like symmetrical andobviously they felt better'cause
they breathed, right?
Mm-hmm.
There you go.
(12:37):
But yeah, it is true.
They weren't dealing with A DHDand sleep apnea and bedwetting
asthma and all that must benice.
Exactly.
So with these differences in thebone structure, in their face
and all those other things,these ancient humans and
indigenous tribes have widerairways than us.
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So they never snore, they neverhad sleep apnea enos us or other
chronic respiratory illnessesthat are so common today.
He kind of breaks this down as anumber of changes over time due
to our brains increasing in sizeas we became smarter and our
food becoming moreindustrialized and soft.
So a lot of ancient people andtribes would chew a lot more
(13:19):
than we did today.
And also losing our breathing,like I said, and all the
benefits that it provides overtime has caused that these,
these changes in our bonestructures and in our health.
and a lot of these ancestors andindigenous peoples that breathe
correctly had a totallydifferent view on medicine and
life than us.
Mm-hmm.
So in one study, he referencesin the book that someone else
(13:40):
did.
One indigenous tribe from 19hundreds America attributed
their vigorous health andstraight teeth to the great
secret of life breathing.
So getting into the experiment,he did this experiment along
with an another guy around hissame age.
so the actual experiment itself,phase one consisted of, these,
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two fellas plugging their noseand only breathing through their
mouth.
So, that.
Mouth breathing, was a, an issuewith them, even though, you
know, clearly Nestor had someother issues as far as
respiratory and such, the mouthbreathing certainly did not help
him at all with that.
In fact, it, it caused him more,issues.
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mouth breathing in itself cannotfilter moisten or heat air that
enters your airway.
It makes our lungs royally madand it causes us to lose 40%
more body water and disturb theoxygen flow to our pre forward.
Prefrontal cortex.
I am the medical person in thisplace.
(14:50):
Mm-hmm.
And I am having hard time.
We got you.
I know when he was talking abouthow mouth breathing disturbs the
oxygen flow to our prefrontalcortex, that's the maring region
that is associated with a DHD.
Mm-hmm.
That's, yeah.
The impulse, impulsivity, all,all of that.
mm-hmm.
(15:11):
Yeah.
So halfway through the phase,they did some physiological
data.
this was, definitely acontrolled study.
and they did a lot of,measurements and so they had
specific, numbers that they werechanging.
And then also.
Talking with these folks andseeing how they feel.
(15:31):
So it was a, a two-pronged typeof, of, experiment where it's
not just about how somebodythinks or how they feel.
It was more, objective.
They had true objective, thingsthat they were looking at.
Mm-hmm.
So, but wanting to know howthese guys felt having this time
(15:51):
with their noses plugged and,spoiler alert, they both felt
terrible.
mouth breathing can causephysical changes in the body and
transform our, our airways,Beginning more mouth breathing.
So basically what it is, is onceyou begin in that way, there's a
physiological change thathappens within your airway,
within your sinuses that furtherperpetuates you to continue to
(16:15):
mouth breathe, makes it harderto breathe through your nose.
Mm-hmm.
And so I, did you see that?
I'm trying, I'm trying my bestto do this.
I know.
After learning and just readingthrough the experiment.
Well, even like, just thinkingabout how like you physically
can't filter moisten or heat theair that goes into your lungs.
(16:37):
I was just like, ugh.
Right, right.
And we all know that we livedehydrated.
Most of us are severelydehydrated, chronically
dehydrated, chronicallydehydrated.
So we could drink as much wateras we wanted to.
If we are snoring or havingsleep apnea all night, we're not
retaining that.
Yeah.
'cause we're not, we're notcontinuing to feel it while
(16:59):
we're asleep.
Yeah, it was interesting to melike in phase one specifically,
like how fast into that phasethey were just like immediately
feeling just awful, awful,awful.
And their physiological data wasreflecting that as well.
Just happened so fast.
So they were just like,completely blah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, if you think about howbad you feel when you're sick, I
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think that that plays a big rolein it.
If you're, if you have some kindof a sinus thing going on and
you're congested, so you mm-hmm.
Have to breathe through yourmouth and you always feel so
terrible when you're sick.
I think that that is part of whywe feel terrible is that Oh
yeah, we are mouth breathing thewhole time.
And so on the one hand you gotthe sickness and then on the
other hand, you're makingyourself more sick by not
(17:43):
breathing through your nose.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hoo.
That's true.
I need to.
Next time I'm sick, I'm gonnatry my best to not breathe
through my mouth as much.
But it's tough when you'recongested.
It is.
But as you, I mean, you were,Rhonda you were just talking
about how the, you know, we, webreathe through our mouth and
(18:05):
then that begets more mouthbreathing'cause our, our sinus
airways start to collapse and sothen it's harder to breathe
through our nose.
But the inverse is true if youYeah.
You know, if you force yourselfto breathe through your nose,
your sinus airways will expand.
It starts to get easier.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and I've, you know, sincereading the book and putting
more things into practice, I'vefound even if I'm sick with some
(18:26):
kind of a, you know, sinuscongestion, head cold, I'll
still be able to breathe throughmy nose.
Like I'll get congested.
So it's more difficult, but it'svery rare where I'm actually
sick enough that I'm like, Iactually have to breathe through
my nose.
Hmm.
Okay.
Well, that gives me hope.
I feel like I definitely need towork on my breathing and try to
(18:47):
expand the airways.
'cause it feels almostimpossible to me to breathe
through my, my nose when I'mlike very congested.
So.
Mm-hmm.
I think that's a reflection onhow much mouth breathing I've
been doing in the past,unfortunately.
All right.
So phase two of the experimentis where it gets even more
interesting.
So it's basically the inverse ofphase one.
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So they tap their mouths andstrictly breathe nasally for the
same duration, with the sametest, the same schedules, all of
that, and really interestingresults.
So James Nestor actually had hissnoring and his sleep apnea
disappeared just within threenights of only breathing through
his nose.
Mm-hmm.
And the other effects as far aslike how they felt in their
(19:29):
physiological data.
That was utterly transformedwithin just five days of this
phase two.
And they both focused on howthey breathe as well.
Inhaling and exhaling slowly tobalance oxygen and carbon
dioxide levels in the body,which he reveals is later in the
book, is actually the best wayto prevent chronic health issues
and improve athletic performanceand extend your life.
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Another thing to get intotowards the end of this
experiment is the perfectbreath.
So it's considered a five and ahalf second inhale, followed by
a five and a half second exhale,which works out to five and a
half breaths a minute, which isthe most efficient breathing
rhythm.
And I found this extremelyinteresting.
So this follows the pace ofHindu.
(20:13):
Teo, Teo something.
Taoist and Native American.
TAUs.
Taoist.
Okay.
Thank you.
Mm-hmm.
Hindu, Taoist and NativeAmerican prayers.
It's a little bit slower than aBuddhist mantra, the original
Latin version of the rosary, theCatholic prayer cycle of Ab
Maria.
So, very interesting that thisperfect breath coincides
(20:35):
rhythmic wise with so many ofthese prayers and he says this
in the book too.
Prayer heals, especially whenit's practiced at five and a
half breaths a minute.
So crazy.
And that's alarming as a nursebecause they expect a, you know,
respiratory rate, eight,anywhere from like eight to 20.
(20:56):
if I went into a room and I'mdoing the vital signs, and this
person's breathing five to sixtimes a minute.
That could be alarming and it,and it, I would've definitely
had to report that.
So it's just That's a thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I, my, my Apple Watch willconstantly ping me saying like,
(21:18):
your heart rate's too low.
And, uh, and it's like, it'swhen I'm sleeping, typically,
like if my, I think it's, if myresting heart rate drops, it's
either below 45 or 40, thenit'll ping me with like a, a low
heart rate notification.
But yeah, I, you know, I don't,I think it's actually good.
Like, it's not like it's a sharpdrop, it's just that like
mm-hmm.
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My baseline is right around,its, its threshold and will, you
know, be like a little bitbefore it, a lot.
Like, I think that's actually agood sign and not something to
worry about very much.
Yes.
Very much that resting heartrate.
I think it definitely gives youa better picture of what's going
on as far as your athleticcapacity.
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Again, breathing capacity andmuscle strength.
So yeah.
That's that's great.
Yeah.
That is great.
It also goes to show how this,science of breathing and all
this stuff that we've learnedand wanted to share, it's not
necessarily correlating withmodern Western medicine.
Yeah.
And it just shows how manypeople don't know about this
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stuff and don't recognize theimportance of it.
So we're happy to share it withyou on our podcast.
That is right.
Okay.
So next we wanted to get into,this is our last section before
we really break it into.
Tyson's insights and just thewider discussion.
So we wanted to talk about thenose because I found out a lot
of information about my doggingthat impressed me.
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So you might just think it'syour nose.
You may love it, you may hateit, whatever.
But it is also known as thesilent warrior, the gatekeeper
of our bodies, the pharmacist toour minds, and the weather vein
to our emotions.
And I sure did not know it didall that stuff before I read
this book.
Yeah, he wears all the hats.
Yeah.
I have a greater appreciationfor my nose now.
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So not only does it connect usto our oldest scent smell, which
is really our most intimateconnection to our surroundings,
but it also.
Clears air heats it, moistens itfor easier absorption into our
lungs like we've been saying.
It can also trigger a cavalcadeof hormones and chemicals that
lower blood pressure and easedigestion.
Mm-hmm.
And it also can respond to thestages of our menstrual cycle,
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regulate our heart rate, openthe vessels in our toes, and
store memories.
Wow it has a lot of differentfunctions.
And something I foundinteresting as well is that your
nostrils and every otherperson's nostrils actually pulse
to their own rhythm.
They kind of open and close likea flower in response to our
moods, our mental states, andalso possibly the sun and moon.
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And these are known as nasalcycles.
Now you have a betterunderstanding of your noses
capabilities.
And it goes far beyond anythingthat I thought, and probably you
thought as well.
So if our body was designed withthis small but mighty body part,
shouldn't we use it more?
Yes, for sure.
Yes.
The other thing I thought thatwas very interesting about this
was, the alternations ofbreathing through your nose,
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like mm-hmm.
the right side is, is more thefight or flight, part.
And you can, okay.
Y'all remind me.
I, I thought it was veryinteresting, and I think, I
don't wanna look back through mybook, but he was talking about
like the, the left side nostrilcan actually help you calm down
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mm-hmm.
And all that.
So I thought that was veryinteresting.
But which side did he talkabout?
I think it was the right afteryou eat, he talked about.
I believe so.
I think so.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
We'll just skip all that.
No, keep it in there.
But I, I just thought it wasvery interesting that.
You could.
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And so what I tried to dobecause of hormones and such,
have a good bit of anxiety.
And so what I've been trying todo is be conscientious of
breathing and even stopping upthe right side and trying to
breathe really good through theleft side to mm-hmm.
Just kind of calm that down soit, it, it's an instrument as
well.
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Mm-hmm.
It's like a gatekeeper, but thenalso it's flexible.
I figured that every time webreathe through our nose, it was
just breathing through our nose,you know, at the same time.
Mm-hmm.
But the fact, that that open andclosure happens was very
interesting.
Yeah.
And I think it's a, it's atangible way that we can take
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some of our health into our ownhands.
It's like a tool mm-hmm.
That we can use.
Yeah.
The more you know about how yourbody functions and the grand
design of it all, you can kindof hack your body and hack your
life, I guess.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, it was very, I was, Iremember being astounded to
learn about just the, all theextra, I mean, you know, you can
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tell somebody that, you know,oh, your nose, it heats up the
air and it moistens it and itfilters it.
It's like, okay, yeah, well,that's kind of a no brainer.
But then you learn about allthese other body rhythms that,
it's like they synchronize tothe breath that's going through
our nose just from all the, youknow, nervous endings and
everything that's in our sinusesthat all of these bio rhythms
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synchronize to.
there's so much stuff thatstarts to break down if those
sensors aren't getting triggeredregularly for the, I, I think
what, like what clicked for meabout it was if you think of the
human body, like a biocomputer,like a living machine mm-hmm.
In a, a regular computer, likewe use an electronic computer.
There's what's called a systemclock, and everything that's
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running in the computer issynchronized to that.
The system clock keeps therhythm and then everything else
the computer does, it's, youknow, hooking into that to all
work together.
And so breathing kind of fillsthat function for us and the
human body.
But all of the sensors to keepthat going are all in the nose.
Like if we, if we don't breathethrough that, then it's just,
it's total breakdown.
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Yeah.
It's game over.
Yeah.
I thought it was veryinteresting about the skin
inside our nose, being that, ofthe skin of the penis and the
vulgar and, and the nipples.
Oh, do you have Ed startbreathing through your nose,
buddy.
Mm-hmm.
You know, or low libido, startbreathing through your nose.
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Mm-hmm.
I just thought it was just sofascinating.
Yeah, I was definitelyfascinated.
Yes.
Well, by that and then.
I think what really just likesat with me after this book was
in learning all this stuff aboutlike our nose and just how our
breathing is so connected to ourbody and our health.
I'm just amazed at how inlyconnected our body is, and we
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seem also to be connected tonature in the world as well.
And it's just like such a granddesign that it, it almost makes
your brain hurt trying to likethink about how it all connects
together.
But it's fascinating for sure.
Well, it's just like if you cutyour field with a sickle or
something by hand, a push mowereven, and you don't even know
that there's a riding moweroption, so you've been trudging
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away this task without thecorrect tool, which is what
we've been doing.
sidebar but I was telling Jimabout this realization of.
You know, our skin and such.
One morning we were just layingthere and I'm like, uh, did you
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know this?
So my hu you know, he, he doesnot say a lot.
You gotta really catch him.
Well, he sits there for a fewminutes and he goes, I think
it's working.
And he is, you know, that isjust not him.
He goes, that's right.
I think it's working.
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Oh my God.
Put it right to the test.
He's so funny.
He just, the quiet ones you haveto worry about because their
minds never stop.
It's true.
It's very true.
Oh my gosh.
Okay.
Well, since you have read thisbook, two or three years ago, is
that right?
Mm-hmm.
Something like that.
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And you've actually implementedthe practices and seen the
benefits.
We really want to get someinsights from you.
So after reading breath and inthe years since, what was your
biggest takeaway?
my biggest takeaway I would saywas how simple it is and how
simple this book makes it.
Um, mm-hmm.
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I mean, I'm, I'm someone that's,you know, I've been very
physically active and I've reada lot of books from all kinds of
different disciplines and pointof views that talk about the
importance of breathing and howit's crucial and you need to pay
more attention to it.
But none of it really stuck, or,you know, really clicked for me
why it was important, or, youknow, it's like, oh, you need to
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pay attention to your breathing,but what am I paying attention
for?
You know, what, right.
Why does it matter?
And James Nestor did such anamazing job of breaking down the
science of why it's importantin, you know, everyday terms.
They're easy to understand andalso he really emphasized the
message of, breathe through yournose and breathe slower.
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You know, there's, there's a lotof really in-depth stuff in this
book and some of the more likebody hacking things you can do
with like the holotropicbreathing and Wim Hof
techniques, but for just theeveryday person breathe through
your nose, breathe slower andinstant benefit to your life and
it really is that simple.
That was what, that was whatshook me more than anything was
that it, it's not some bigcomplicated thing.
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Right.
Yeah.
You don't have to purchaseanything to make it work.
Mm-hmm.
You know, it's not like you'regetting another exercise
equipment that's never gonna getused in my case.
Yeah.
I feel like I've read a decentamount of self-help books and a
lot of them don't really stickwith me afterwards probably
because like, one, it's notsimple, like it's overwhelming
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to, to think about or toimplement in your life.
Mm-hmm.
So I definitely appreciated thattoo.
It was like you can justimmediately focus on like one or
two things and see benefits toyour life and yeah.
It is so simple.
He did a great job of explainingit.
okay.
Which one, was there any partabout breath or breathe?
Do y'all call it breath orbreathe?
the book, is it called?
I call it breath.
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I think Breathe has the E on theend, doesn't it?
Mm-hmm.
I call it breath.
Okay, Brandon.
But either one would work.
I'm sure James would understand.
Yes.
I don't think he'll betriggered.
Tyson, was there any part aboutthis book that was truly
shocking or hard to believe foryou?
yeah, and I still kind ofstruggle to wrap my head around
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this, but he talks about the howimportant carbon dioxide is for
our body.
Mm mm.
it's so ingrained in us thatoxygen is good, carbon dioxide
is bad, but the, presence ofcarbon dioxide in our system
actually, regulates and helps tosupport so many things that our
body does, especially duringexercise.
If the carbon dioxide levels inyour blood are higher when
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you're exercising, it's like,you know, opens up capillaries.
It, there's, there's triggers, alot of things to help oxygen
flow better, but that carbondioxide level has to be
maintained high to do that.
And so, and that's why, that'swhy it's important to breathe
slow, to breathe less.
but our bodies to, to run, Iguess like peak efficiency, we
need a good amount of carbondioxide in our system.
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And if you, if you breathe toomuch, you're getting rid of too
much of it and you don't performnearly as well.
Mm-hmm.
Yep.
Yeah, I also had troublewrapping my head around that
'cause.
Yeah, like, I think just likeeven learning in science class,
you're just like, okay, carbondioxide, like that's bad.
Get out.
Mm-hmm.
But I think in the book he saidit was maybe like, the most
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important hormone in your bodyor something like that.
So yeah, definitely.
That was interesting for me assomeone that likes to work out a
lot, is just thinking about thatand my breathing in reference to
like me working out and alwaysfeeling like I'm dying.
I think this is in part three ofthe book.
he does an experiment where you,you basically take a hit of like
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pure carbon dioxide and mm-hmm.
The, I don't remember if it'spure or just a really high
concentration, but it triggers avery powerful.
Reflex in the body of just sheerpanic and terror and like, you
know, you know how it is whenyou hold your breath for too
long and you start to, like,your body starts to freak out.
Mm-hmm.
You know, it's like that dialedup to a hundred.
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'cause our, like, if we get toomuch of it, it really is bad for
us.
Like it's, it's a balance.
where if we, if we, um, breathetoo slowly and deprive ourselves
too much so the carbon dioxidepasses a certain threshold, then
it does really start to get bad.
And so we, we have this sort oflike a biological resistance to
it, which is what we start tofeel when we're out of breath.
And so mm-hmm.
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It, I think it is, that's whyit, it's hard for me to wrap my
head around and it feels verycounterintuitive to, you know,
learn to embrace that more, to,to help your body perform
better.
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah.
I read that in the book two daysago, what you were talking
about, and it's in reference to,I.
This patient that, I can'tremember if she was born with it
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or something happened, but shedidn't have an amygdala, so she
didn't have anything that wouldbasically, she had no fears.
Mm-hmm.
her brain just physicallycouldn't tell her, like when she
was in danger, when to beafraid, like she could do
anything and she would neverfeel like a fear response.
But when they did administer thedose of carbon dioxide for the
first time in her life, she waspanicked and afraid it was
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mm-hmm.
Really crazy anecdote.
But yeah, all the, all thestories and the studies and the
evidence uses in the book arejust so, so fascinating.
So hope you guys will read it.
I mean, we, we covered probablythe most important bits, but I
don't think anything compare toactually reading it for
yourself.
Oh yeah.
I mean, it's, there's somethingfor everybody in it.
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I mean, it's, mm-hmm.
unless you were taught how tobreathe properly and slowly
through your nose, at some pointin your life, you probably.
Need to learn how, like that'smm-hmm.
Yeah.
I think they talk about that ina lot in the first section of
the book of how that used to bea common thing.
Like they talked about a lot ofNative American tribes that
would mm-hmm.
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Teach their children how tobreathe and when they're, you
know, when their little newbornbabies are sleeping, they'd go
in there and hold their mouthshut to force'em to breathe
through their nose.
That was crazy.
Nobody does that now.
I, you know, I didn't, I didn'tget any nose breathing training
when I was a kid.
Me neither.
Especially not me.
I was the youngest of five.
They had other problems.
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It was Tyson's job to teach you.
They got your parents, I'mgetting to it a little bit late.
Is all vision failed?
Well, yeah, that was, that partwas interesting for me.
'cause I plan on having kids inthe future and I'm like, I
honestly want to make that a, afocus or learn how to help them,
like learn to do that from anearly age.
Mm-hmm.
So we'll see when, when itactually happens, if I can
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manage that, but.
Alright, well, next question,um, I just wanna know like the
specific breathing habits andtips that have made the biggest
impact for you over time, andhave you also been able to
maintain them over time?
Um, I mean, the biggest one, I,I, I feel I'm just always so
aware of my breathing now andmm-hmm.
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And mostly it's just, am Ibreathing through my nose or
not?
Um, yeah.
And I, I think that I, you know,before reading this book, I
breathe through my nose moreoften than not just as everyday
life goes, but not, not all thetime and especially not, like
when exercising, or just, yeah,you know, I don't know, but when
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like stressed out or worriedabout something, um mm-hmm.
The, the exercising I think wasthe biggest one.
I played a lot of sports, butmostly soccer and every soccer
coach, fitness coach, whatever.
Running coach over the yearsalways told me, breathe in
through your nose and outthrough your mouth.
That's the best way to do itwhen you're an athlete.
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Mm-hmm.
And, you know, come, then cometo read this book and find out
that's totally backwards.
That's actually like, terriblefor you.
'cause it like, it creates evenmore of this imbalance from
switching back and forth betweenthem and only getting inhales
and not exhales through yournose.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and so that's the biggestone for me is like I had for a
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long time, I had to force myselfto breathe through my nose, when
I was exercising, you know, outdancing or hiking or something
like that.
Um, and especially out in thecold, I think was the hardest
one.
You know, when you're out in thecold and breathing through your
nose, it really can kind of hurtyour nose if you're not used to
it.
And I, that took me a while'cause I like it just, it was
kind of miserable at first, butafter not that long, like, you
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know.
I, I read this book in like thelate fall, the first time I read
it.
And so I got to practice this alot right away.
And by halfway through thewinter I was like, oh, I can,
you know, I can go out and hikein the cold and breathe through
my nose the whole time.
And it's like, well, my nosedoesn't hurt anymore.
I'm like, oh, this is actuallyeasier.
And now I can go out dancing andbreathe through my nose and not
feel like I am out of breath.
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Mm-hmm.
So I think some of it's my bodyadapting to breathing a little
slower, but I think more of itis just like my sinus cavities
have really expanded in a bigway.
and so I, like, it's just, it'sgetting, it's gotten easier and
easier.
And so now, even though I, Istill think about it a lot and
will occasionally catch myselfbreathing through my mouth, um,
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it's like, I don't know.
It's, it's become so much, Iguess, like a part of my
everyday life now.
Yeah.
That's awesome not to alwayscome back to medicine, but as
you're saying that reminded me,the, the in through your nose
and out through your mouth is a,is a technique that we use for
people who are having panicattacks.
Mm-hmm.
And we would call it smell arose, blow out a candle.
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Hmm.
Interesting.
Yes.
So that is exactly the way wewould try to help people who
were in a panic.
So, so interesting.
Yeah.
I think he, I think hereferenced panic attacks in the
book and it was like focusing onthe perfect breath would help
people come out of it.
I don't remember if that wasexactly the solution, but I do
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remember him referencing panicattacks, I'm not sure.
Mm-hmm.
But anyways, when you're talkingabout sports, that, caught my
attention.
'cause I also never had anyoneteach me how to breathe
correctly as an athlete.
I think maybe I.
One time I can remember I waslike fresh off of conditioning.
I had like my hands on my knees.
I was like, that's dying,obviously.
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And my coach was like, try andbreathe to your nose.
And I just looked at him like hewas crazy because I was like,
there's no, I just can't.
And come to think of it, youcan, you just have to maybe work
on expanding your airways andbreath through your mouth less
to get to a point where it'smore comfortable for you to do
that.
Mm-hmm.
Because I have been doing likelow intensity workouts the past
couple days, and I've made it afocus to breathe through my nose
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and it's not easy, even thoughit's not even that intensive of
a workout.
Yeah.
But I'm hoping I'll be able tosee the benefits of it over
time.
Yes.
One other thing that's, I guessbecome like a part of my daily
or everyday life, if you will,from the book, is how important
it is to, to chew more.
Like I, I.
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Hmm.
You know, since reading thebook, I like, I avoid things
like smoothies, um, or likereally soft foods.
and try to, you know, if I havean option, get something that is
harder to chew that, you know,takes more effort.
Um, and I get the, you talkedabout this at some point in the
book, um, I'm not sure youpronounce it, but the F gum,
it's like a Turkish gum that'smm-hmm.
Um, the chewing gum, that'svery, like, very tough, very,
(40:58):
uh, and it maintains its toughconsistency for chewing on, for,
you know, you can chew on it allday.
Um, and it's unflavored.
Um, which at first I was like, Idon't know how I feel that bad
about that.
But eventually I became to likeit.
Um, for one thing, it doesn't,like, it doesn't interfere with
tastes of anything you're eatingor drinking mother before, right
after it.
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and you, you kind of just forgetthat it's in your mouth and you
can just kind of, you know,especially if you're working on
a computer or something, you canjust chew on it throughout the
day and it's awesome for yourjaw.
Um, and like I've, wow, I'vealways had very crooked teeth.
and I like, you know, never gotbraces.
my teeth have been expanding,like it's pretty slow process.
(41:39):
yeah.
But like, I can see it most inmy, like on the bottom of my
jaw, yes.
I have this crooked tooth downhere.
And it used to be so far insidethat the two teeth to the other
side of it were like actuallytouching each other.
And since I've like been doingthis over the last couple years,
the, there's like an actual gapnow where you can see it, like
it's actually moving back out.
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Um, nice.
And that's, that's all that I'vechanged is, I mean, the
breathing through my noseobviously, but also just trying
to chew on tough foods wheneverI get the chance to.
Nice.
Where do you get the gum?
I just order on Amazon.
Okay.
I.
Gotcha.
Yeah, I feel like that wouldactually help me a lot.
'cause I love to like, keep mymouth busy during the day.
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Mm-hmm.
It like helps me focus, I guess.
Oh, totally.
Yeah.
it kind of replaced, you know,I, I used to always just have to
have something I can be drinkingand sipping on.
Mm-hmm.
And if I, if I have the gum, Idon't feel that compulsion to
reach for, you know, some kindof beverage nearly as much.
Okay.
Mm.
Okay.
That's helpful.
'cause I, I do that a lot wherelike I always have to have my
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little drinky while I'm doingstuff or a snack.
Yeah.
Wow.
I know.
That's awesome.
That's crazy.
Okay, we got one more question.
Ronnie, you wanna take it?
Yeah.
Have you noticed any differencesin your physical, we just talked
about your teeth.
physical or mental wellbeing orany other unexpected benefits
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since reading and having thetime to utilize this breath?
Um, my, my physical fitness hasimproved significantly, and what
I think has been reallyinteresting is, I, I notice that
most when I am, you know, quoteunquote outta shape where I,
let's, I just haven't beenexercising as much lately.
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And then if I, let's say, can'tgo up to the mountains to go for
a hike, it's a lot easier than Iexpect it to be.
You know, it used to be if Ihadn't been working out a lot
recently, and then I try to goand do something like that and
I'm just gonna be huffing andpuffing and, you know, dying and
it's like, oh, that's just,that's how it is if you don't do
it every day.
But if I breathe slow, breathethrough my nose, then they talk
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about this in their, in theexperiment.
They did the first part of thebook where when they would do
their workouts on their exercisebikes, if they were breathing
properly through their nose, youknow, the first few minutes,
first five to 10 minutes.
Those kind of always suck in a,like cardio based workout.
'cause your body needs to, youknow, get, get into rhythm, get
going, but then mm-hmm.
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After that it's very easy to hitthe, you know, the so-called
runner's high and just fall intoa rhythm and be like, oh, hey,
this is, like, this is notnearly as hard as I expected it
to be.
So that's like, that's beenreally nice.
'cause like I used to, I used tokinda stress me out of feeling
like I have to be working outhard all the time and stay in
this really high level of shapeif I wanna be able to, you know,
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enjoy the things like hiking,when I do them, instead of it
being just total suffering.
So that, that's been a nice, um,physical benefit.
and I think the other big onefor me has been, my circulation.
and I noticed this more in.
I guess the extreme coldweather, but also in hot
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weather, your, yourcirculation's really important
for your body maintaining itstemperature and mm-hmm.
he kind of references this insort of, in passing in a few
parts in the book, but there's,there's another book that I've
read that talks about in moredepth, which is, if you are
breathing properly, you start tofeel this tingling in your, in
your extremities, in yourfingers, and in your toes.
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And that's from your circulationactually firing the way that
it's supposed to.
And you will notice this if youare out on a cold day, or even
if you're out on a really hotday, that your body's going be
able to withstand thetemperature better and you're
not going to feel as muchsuffering as a result,
especially in cold.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, he, there, there's atechnique that he talks about.
(45:38):
I think it's in part three and Ibelieve it's one of, uh, Wim
Hofs breathing techniques, butit's something for.
Warming your body up.
it's a variation of what the,the monks they talk about that
would, you know, melt the snowaround their bodies.
Mm-hmm.
but it's, it's a pretty simpleone where you essentially sort
of hyperventilate very bigbreaths for 30 breaths, and then
you breathe out and hold yourbreath with no air in your lungs
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as long as you can, and thenbreathe in, hold it again as
long as you can, and then returnto breathing.
Normally it's very simpleexercise, but it heats your body
up like a furnace.
And I use this, I do a lot ofmotorcycle trips, and so if I'm
on my motorcycle and it's coldand I'm, you know, everything's
starting to go numb, I'll do acouple cycles of this and then
I'm toasty warm, and so I'll,you know, do that every 30
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minutes or so.
And then.
You know, I'm not worrying aboutfrostbite anymore.
That's great.
That was fascinating for me toread as someone that hates the
cold and like just, I can't evenfathom being in the cold longer
than I have to.
But just reading about theretreats, people would go on to
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learn this breathing techniqueand they would go outside in
their britches and like roll inthe snow, go on a mountain hike
again, still in like theirbritches and then jump into like
an ice cold lake.
Mm-hmm.
And just through utilizing thistechnique, they were totally
fine.
Like, didn't get sick, didn'tget prospect, nothing.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
It's pretty, it's prettyamazing.
It's, it's, it'scounterintuitive for cold'cause
(47:07):
like, our reflex when it's coldis to like, to hunch up and
like, we, we clench our handstogether like this.
Mm-hmm.
But that makes your hands morecold'cause you're like, you're,
you're shutting out thecirculation.
Like you, you need your hands tobe like loose and moving so the
blood can get to them and that'sgonna warm you up so much more.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Well, maybe I can live in a coldstate and survive with breathing
(47:32):
technique.
I've learned.
It'll be a little bit, you'redown there in humidity city.
Yeah.
I have one where I can makemyself as cold as possible.
Yeah.
15 degrees here.
Maybe we just breathing already.
Just breathing slow will help.
Like it, uh, that it helps yourbody cool itself down too.
(47:53):
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, I'll be sure to practicemy breathing this summer.
When?
Mm-hmm.
One thing I wanted to add, and Ididn't put it on the outline
mm-hmm.
But I thought this mightresonate with folks as well, is
nester noted that he had read areport from the Mayo Clinic, uh,
which found that chronicinsomnia, which is, you know,
(48:14):
has long been as assumed as apsychological disorder, chronic
insomnia, not being able tosleep.
They've treated it psychologicalpsychologically, but now it's
often a breathing problem.
It's not a psychologicalproblem.
And I feel like there are somepeople out there right now that
are really struggling to sleep.
(48:36):
Mm-hmm.
For whatever reason that is.
we are not, attempting to bemedical advisors, but I would
hate to for folks to think Ican't sleep at night because
there's something wrong with merather than.
I can't sleep at night becausethere's an aspect of my life
(48:56):
that I'm not using properly,like mm-hmm.
Or of my body.
So I just wanted to encouragepeople that if you're listening
to this and you have issues withinsomnia, it definitely is
directly related as well.
You could have insomnia and nothave sleep apnea.
and so I just wanted to makesure that folks knew that as
well, if you're struggling to goto, to be able to sleep.
(49:19):
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.
I mean, it's, the way that Ithink of it is whatever the
cause of your insomnia, it mightbe something, but other than
your breathing, but if you'rebreathing poorly, that's making
it worse.
Yes.
It's muddying the waters.
It's going to make it difficultto actually diagnose any real
issues that you have, right?
Mm-hmm.
So, you know, save yourself alot of headache and mm-hmm.
(49:41):
Get rid of all the extrasymptoms so you can get right to
the core of the issue, right?
Mm-hmm.
Right.
And, and if it's, if it is.
If it's not a psychologicalproblem, you can keep pumping
meds, chemicals, and all that,that might make you sleep, but
you're, you're not getting rest.
(50:02):
Mm-hmm.
And who knows what all thosemedications are doing to your
body over time.
Exactly.
So, yeah.
Well, I think you made a goodpoint.
We're obviously not medicalprofessionals.
Well, you were in the past, butanything we bring to this
podcast, we're not responsibleif something goes wrong.
Yes, yes.
That's all I have to say.
I know James Nester makes a lotof big statements with a lot of
(50:24):
chronic illnesses that arecommon today.
And for me, I really believethat there's a science to it and
that breathing can help those.
Mm-hmm.
and he backs it up with a lot ofhistorical and scientific and
personal evidence.
But I will say just.
Take that with a grain of salt.
I encourage you to actually readthe book and see how you feel
about it.
Yeah.
I am definitely gonna be takingthe insights from this book and
applying it to my life and wewill update you guys and let it
(50:46):
know how it goes first.
But yeah, definitely encourageyou to read this book'cause I
guarantee you'll take at leastone thing from it.
Mm-hmm.
That'll make your life betterfor sure.
All right, well we're doing thewhat she said, or in this case,
he said James Nestor himself.
Ronnie, do you wanna read thequote?
Yes.
He said that expression is theopposite of depression.
(51:08):
Go for it.
So expressing yourself will bethe opposite of depressing
yourself.
So go for it.
Express what you need to get itout.
Don't hold it in.
It's just poison.
yeah, I really like that quotejust for life, I think.
Mm-hmm.
Someone that's struggled withdepression in the past.
(51:28):
I think that this is very true.
Like I think I've.
Healed my depression or be ableto pull myself out of slumps
when I'm focusing on like mycreativity or doing some form of
expression.
But in the context of this book,this quote is kind of talking
about like active consciousbreathing as an expression can
help combat feelings ofnegativity or stagnation.
(51:49):
So engage with your breathingand express yourself in other
ways.
'cause it can lead tomindfulness and peace and
presence within your body, whichI think at the end of the day is
something that we all need andare looking for.
Right?
Ain't know the truth.
It seems unattainable, but wait,try.
Cool.
Well, do you wanna read ourchallenge for the week, Ronnie?
(52:12):
Yes.
So, you'll take around 670million breaths in your life, no
matter how far you are into thatbreath journey.
Maybe you'd like to take a fewmillion more.
so our challenge this week is wewant you to try to breathe as
nasally as much as you can.
you know, he said, try tapingyour mouth.
(52:35):
Well, our son, Weston Kaya'shusband has suffered from sleep
apnea from a young preteen age.
And so I remember he was, didn'tlike the dental thing, the
dental apparatus.
We had tried everything,couldn't keep the CPAP on, you
know, throw it across the roomin the middle of the night and
(52:58):
he somehow came up and startedtaping his mouth shut.
Do you remember when he startedthat?
Mm-hmm.
That was, yeah, he did it like ayear or two ago.
Yes.
He didn't over time.
Interesting.
Yes, He didn't do it long enoughto actually see the benefits, I
don't think, but I haven'tencouraged him to do it again.
But he's like, oh, my mustache,whatever, dude, shit.
(53:20):
But, but that tap in your mouthshut.
And so, but just to let youknow, as a mother, Jim and
Father Jim and I were like, ohmy God, that is horrendous.
You know, we're thinking, thisis terrible.
Our kid is taking his mouthshut.
Call the doctor.
Call nine one one.
He's torturing himself.
He's torturing himself.
(53:42):
I don't know if this is fromCana or where it's coming from.
Well, now it is gonna be, yes, ahundred percent he's gonna get
it from always.
But, um, in saying that, therewere different tape techniques
that he talks about, but heended up figuring out that
really all you needed was abouta postage stamp size of tape,
(54:04):
and just right in the front.
Mm-hmm.
So that way, if you needed totalk, you could still talk out
the side.
Mm-hmm.
'cause Lord knows you can takemy, my mouth shut.
I ain't gonna stop talking.
Mm-hmm.
That is the dang truth.
My husband is so looking forwardto this.
He said, well, maybe it shouldbe, a small envelope size.
(54:25):
Maybe if it's, if a postagestamp is good, how about like
just a whole three inchpainter's tape situation?
But he mentioned it and heactually mentioned what he came
with.
So again, uh, no one's paying usfor this.
We're doing this completelyfree.
(54:46):
our, our husbands and ourfamilies pay one way or the
other, but you do not.
3M makes a next Care dur dpo.
Mm-hmm.
It's like a durable cloth tape.
And again, he said just right inthe middle.
So if you wanted to try that, itjust, different things left a
heavier adhesive, you know, rip.
(55:08):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
You don't wanna rip the toplayer of your lips off.
Uh, but, anyways, That's onething.
And, and just as a little side,I know what some of you moms are
thinking, you know, well, we'vebeen to the dentist and the
orthodontist, and now we'vegotta buy braces.
Okay?
It's probably not gonna work foryour kid.
(55:29):
But what you could say is, no,we're not getting braces.
I'm gonna tape your mouth shut.
For the next three years.
Let's see which one works.
And then one, one week later,CPS is showing up.
Yes, yes.
Yeah.
One week later, kid goes, he'sgot all this gunked up stuff on
his mouth.
Oh, well my mom's been taping mymouth shut.
(55:51):
So it's only at night.
Yes.
So you know, it, it soundscrazy, but it sounds like also
because, Mr.
Nester also talked about that aswell, his facial structure
changing after doing this for solong.
And so anyways, yeah, there yougo.
Well, yeah, we're definitelygonna try it.
(56:12):
I'm gonna continue to do themouth tape and breathe through
my nose.
So we'll keep you posted on howour breath journey's going.
Yes.
And then if you wanna do thesame, feel free to do that.
You can leave a comment on oneof our episodes, or you can
reach out to us on social mediaat generational teapot.
But yeah, let us know how yourchallenges are going and how
your breath journey's going.
Really interested to hear fromlots of people on how it.
Changing their lives.
(56:33):
Yes.
And thank you Tyson for gettingup.
we are representing three timezones right now, y'all.
We are.
Mm-hmm.
So we are definitely diverse andinclusion right here.
All across the country.
All across the country.
We are covered all the bases, sothank you.
Well, yeah, thank you, Tyson.
It's so fun to actually have afamily member and one that I'm
(56:55):
so close with on the podcast.
It is.
And you were able to share somuch good information on this
book.
So thank you so much.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Thanks for having me.
This was really a, a ton of fun.
And you know, I'm, such a nerdabout this book.
I mean, I I'm glad that you're,you're understanding now.
'cause when I first read it, Iwas like, I'm telling everybody
about this.
If you believe this.
Yes.
And, and until you read it, it'shard to appreciate the power of
(57:18):
the information it has.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
It sounds like a very boringbook.
Mm-hmm.
But it is a, it is a great read.
It's a fast read.
Mm-hmm.
Oh, absolutely.
it's not bogging you down with,you know, information that's
totally useless.
He, he mentions things in thestudies, but goes straight to
the practical application.
(57:39):
So for that, it's a good, a goodread.
Yeah, definitely.
Well, I'll link the mouth tapeon Amazon as well as the book on
Amazon.
So you can go and, and the gumcheck it out.
The gum and the gum.
Oh yeah.
I'll send you the gum.
Yeah.
Yes.
The gum too life.
Yeah.
So we'll all embark on thisbreathing journey together and
hopefully have our liveschanged.
(58:01):
Yes.
Alright.
So Ty, this is what we do toclose out our episodes.
Are you ready?
Yep, I'm ready.
And that's, that's the tea.
Tea.
So it's like a, that's the teateas what it Great job.
A big yes.
Yes.
Thank you guys.
(58:21):
We'll see you next time.
Happy breathing.
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