In this week’s episode of Generational Tea, we sit down with Karissa — a mom of two and former corporate girlie who made the bold move to quit her job and start a business with her husband. Together, they now sell what they call the perfect men’s t-shirt on Amazon (link + exclusive code below). We talk about what it’s really like to leave a traditional career to pursue entrepreneurship, the realities of working with your spouse, and how motherhood impacts the journey. Karissa opens up about navigating identity shifts, the pressure to “do it all,” and finding joy in the freedom she’s created for her family. This episode is for anyone feeling stuck in a job with no balance, anyone toying with the idea of pivoting, or anyone who’s wondering if it’s actually possible to raise babies and build a business. (Spoiler alert: It is.)
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that's like one of the biggestissues we have is when we are in
different time zones, it's hardto, we're still trying to
regulate that Rome wasn't untilThat's right.
Exactly.
Is your mama there?
She took the kids to the park.
I was like, you gotta get'emoutta here.
They're, they're like all overme right now.
Oh, well tell her I said thankyou.
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How old are your babies?
One just turned three and theother one is one.
Oh, my busy lady.
They are so beautiful.
Thank you.
Oh yeah, I was, looking at yourInstagram and your Facebook
earlier, and I was like, oh mygosh.
What a cute little family.
Well, thank you.
Thank you.
Yes, yes, yes.
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so wait, how do you guys knoweach other?
when did you meet?
Probably in 2008.
I don't know.
I was like in middle school.
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
The end of your middle schoolyear and then you guys moved,
right?
Yeah.
So we knew each other fromchurch, velocity.
Okay.
Marathon at the time.
Honey, there's been so muchstuff that's went on since then.
(01:13):
Be glad you're in California.
Oh, really?
Okay.
This is.
Yeah, but anyways, it's allgood.
So, yeah.
Garrett had the biggest crush onher, like, oh.
They went to homecomingtogether.
Oh, okay.
He had the biggest crush on her.
Maybe that's why your face looksfamiliar.
'cause I'm pretty sure I've seenthe homecoming photos.
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Yeah, I've looked the same sinceI was like two years old.
I really just get bigger andlook older.
My face isn't same, so.
Well that's a great thing.
So your brother is, um, notTyler, but the younger one.
Is he out there in Californianow?
He is, yeah.
And he's in the army.
Yeah.
He's about to leave soon.
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Hopefully.
We'll see.
Nice.
Well, Weston actually is astrength coach for the Army now.
Right.
He got outta college football.
Louisiana.
Yep.
There's no other reason to movethere, honey.
No.
Literally living in a town oflike 5,000 people, but the
military bases aren't over here,so it's, it's, it's interesting.
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I, I was gonna ask how that'sbeen for you.
I'm sure it's a culture sauce.
Well, I'm not a big city girl,so it's not the worst, but it
is, it's an adjustment.
Imagine.
Did you guys meet in college, orwhere'd you meet?
Yeah, we met in college.
We didn't go to the same school.
One of my college teammatesended up marrying one of his
high school friends, so we metat their wedding, so yeah.
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Oh, I love that.
Yeah.
It was during Covid.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, Weston was oneyou, you can't get a lot out of
him, and we didn't even know hewas dating somebody.
Again, you're on a need to knowbasis, and 99% of the time you
don't need to know his business.
He's gonna make sure.
So when she came around it waslike, whoa.
Well, well he, he texted me oneday and he said, I'm bringing a
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girl home this weekend.
Is that okay?
And we were in the middle ofrenovating our whole upstairs.
You remember that Cana?
I do.
You slept on a mattress on thefloor the first night you ever.
And she decided to stay so well.
I actually slept in Westingroom, but I, well, I knew that,
but whatever.
Not important detail.
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We're ready.
Now's fine.
Not important anymore.
It, you know, I wasn't bornyesterday, honey.
Yeah, I know what y'all bedoing.
You know how it is.
Oh my gosh.
Oh my word.
Sorry.
We digressed.
Anyways.
Yes.
Welcome everybody to theGenerational Tea Podcast.
I'm Cana.
And I'm Ronnie.
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And today we have, again, a veryspecial guest that we're gonna
interview today.
So Carissa, welcome to thepodcast.
We're so happy to have you here.
Do you just wanna brieflyintroduce yourself to the
listeners, a little bit aboutyou?
Absolutely.
Hello listeners.
Um, my name is Carissa Perry.
Excited to be here today.
I am a recently ex corporatesales leader slash recently new
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entrepreneur and a mother oftwo.
I'm here trying to figure itout.
Yeah.
Nice.
Awesome, awesome, awesome.
Well, today we're really gonnadig into, like you said, your
transition from being acorporate girly to an
entrepreneur and all the thingsthat go along with that, as well
as some fun other questions.
So let's dive right in if you'reready.
I'm ready.
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Let's do it.
Awesome.
Awesome.
Ronnie, you wanna kick us offwith the first question?
Uh, yeah.
So Carissa, you have a companycalled Perry Collective.
Is that right?
That is correct.
Just wanna make sure I have beenon there.
can you tell us a bit about yourbackground and what life looked
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like before you made the leapinto entrepreneurship?
Yeah, definitely.
very different.
I guess I'll start back withwhen I went to school.
I went to school for corporateand social event planning, which
is not what I ended up doing andnot what I'm doing now as it
tends to happen when it comes tocollege degree.
but I went to school for eventplanning.
Did that for a few years rightout of college where I quickly
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learned, this is glamorous andfun, but I'm working every
Friday night.
I'm working every Saturdaynight.
I don't have much of a sociallife.
I'm 22 years old.
We don't know if I love this.
It doesn't have the mostbeautiful paycheck attached to
it to make it worth it.
So I did as young people do,follow the money into sales.
which is when I started reallymy real corporate journey,
probably six, seven years agonow.
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I spent some time as a salesrep.
Pounding the pavement.
I, I actually really liked itand I was actually humbly fairly
good at it.
so I did that for a few yearsand then eventually worked my
way into a leadership positionwhere I spent the last three
years of my corporate careerleading sales teams of 10 to 12
people and then hit theirfinancial goals and ultimately
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get better at their job.
So that's, that's a little bitabout what I did before I made
the crazy leap and left thatcorporate journey behind me.
Yeah.
Nice.
Was there like a specifictipping point or a moment when
you were just like, I don'twanna do this anymore, I can't
do this anymore, when youdecided to leave your corporate
job?
Yeah.
You know what's funny, and thismay be like a bit of a hot take,
but I actually really likedworking.
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I was super fulfilled I reallyenjoyed that competitive
environment, facing thatsuccessful corporate career.
I found a lot of purpose in itfor a long time, but.
Something came into my life afew years ago that gave me even
more purpose than I could haveever imagined, which was
ultimately my kids.
So, I started out really lovingmy job, still loved it all the
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way up until the end, but I willsay the more time I spent away
from my kids, the lessfulfilling I found my job to be.
So it really just came down to,you know, my priorities shifting
a bit.
mm-hmm.
However, I'm, I'm actuallyhonestly, which is crazy for an
entrepreneur.
I'm a pretty financially riskaverse person in general.
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Um, so I wasn't ready to justlike, make this emotional
decision and like call my bossand say I'm outta here, um,
without having some sort ofsafety net in place to make that
leap.
So we actually kind of startedthis entrepreneurship journey
when I was pregnant with mysecond child, my daughter.
so we really sat down andstarted to brainstorm like two
things before we got to thistipping point, which is one,
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what could we start or createthat would allow me to bring in
some sort of income withoutsacrificing a full day away from
my kids?
And two, what's that magicnumber that we can set aside to
make sure that our monthly billswould be covered for like six to
12 months if worst case scenariohappened?
This business so miserably, myhusband lost his job or.
Where something crazy happens.
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yeah.
Gotcha.
Yeah.
So what were some of theemotions or fears that came up
in making such a big transition?
A lot.
Uh, a lot of emotions, a lot offears.
I think there's definitely thisstigma as a woman that if you
walk away from a successfulcareer that you've built, after
you have kids, you're likegiving up your identity and
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you're just throwing it allaway.
so I started a lot with the.
Just like identity crisis of itall, I will say.
and then of course I worriedabout the financial
implications.
Like you have all theseentrepreneur influencers on
Instagram, like you just quityour job and you buy a car wash
or a vending machine, and thenyou're a millionaire tomorrow
and it really doesn't work likeso.
I did worry a lot about like,how long is it gonna take to get
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this off the ground?
Do I even have what it takes tomake it happen?
but ultimately on the positiveside, the emotions that I got to
feel during making this decisionwere.
Like, how much more of my kids'life am I gonna be present for?
How much more time am I gonnaget to spend with them?
And ultimately that, that trumpsall of the fear.
So we went for it.
Yeah.
So I'm curious, like, such a bigtransition, was it like tapering
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off your corporate job over timeor was it like a clean break,
dive right intoentrepreneurship?
Like, how long did thetransition take you?
Yeah, like I said, I, I'm likefairly financially risk averse
because.
Many decisions I make now, likemy children lay in the wake of
the consequences that come withthose decisions that I make when
it comes to our income.
So we did start this processabout nine to 10 months before I
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actually stepped away from myjob.
I went back to work after bothof my kids were born, and we
really spent our time, likeafter they would go to bed at
night trying to build ourproducts, trying to get things
in place, but that ultimatelywhen I stepped away.
I was able to have those twothings that we talked about that
were really important to us,which was one, like a product in
place and a plan ready to go.
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And two, a savings account thatwas in a healthy enough position
where I didn't have to feel likecrippling anxiety about stepping
away from a stable in firm inpaycheck.
So we started the process likenine months before it even
happened.
just kind of messing around withit, seeing what it led to, and
then.
Ultimately quit almost a yearlater.
So it wasn't like thoseinfluencers say like, quit your
job and you're a millionaire thenext day.
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Yeah.
I've seen a lot of that onTikTok and everywhere.
It's frustrating because you'relike, oh, it's that simple.
No, it's not.
Exactly.
Exactly, man.
So really digging into yourbusiness, the Perry Collective,
what Rhonda explained to me isit's what you described as like
the perfect men's T-shirt.
Is that right?
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Yes, Awesome.
Well, can you tell us a littlebit more about the product and
how the idea came about?
Yeah, definitely.
I would say out of the two ofus, my husband is definitely
more of like the fashionistamore on it with the trend.
Like his algorithm on socialmedia is just like fashion in
men's clothes, women's clothes,you name it.
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and he actually likes to getthings from me as he comes
across them because.
All the time you're seeing onsocial media like, oh, this,
this women's clothing that'sjust like a luxury product, but
half price on Amazon.
So to order me things, which issuper fun for me, um, but he
became increasingly frustratedthat he was coming across all
these cool Amazon finds for me,but didn't really find anything
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for himself.
And he's very particular aboutthe way his, he doesn't wanna
raise his arms and have hisShelly stick out.
He doesn't want it to hug in theright the wrong places and this
and that.
So the fruit that he buys andsmell aren't actually quite
expensive.
And so we thought, you knowwhat?
If we're so mad that we can'tfind him, why don't we just make
it?
Obviously now that I'm kind ofrunning the business, is it my
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passion to have this super coolmen's feature?
I wouldn't say necessarily, butit's good.
So that's what we decided tostart with.
'cause we saw a new market forit, and that's ultimately what
it came down to.
Nice.
That's cool.
I'm like a little jealous thatyour husband will just like buy
you clothes all the time.
My friends are compliment in myoffice.
I'm like, I don't, I, I don'tknow where he found it.
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Talk to him.
He knows.
That's awesome.
I love that.
Oh my gosh.
if your business journey was amovie, what would it be
entitled?
Do you guys remember that movie?
I think it's like from the earlytwo thousands of Ice Cube.
Are we there yet?
When he is on a Oh yes.
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I love that movie.
Yes.
That's a good one.
Never forget.
So I would say, are we thereyet?
In the sense that sometimes Ifeel like the kid in the
backseat on a road trip that'slike, okay, are we there yet?
I'm very, uh, type A.
I'm very controlling.
I'm very impatient.
Um, I wanna just like.
Set a goal and reach itimmediately.
And that's just not the casewhen it comes to starting a
business.
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So I would say, are we thereyet?
'cause that's kind of what's inmy head every day.
Like, oh my goodness, when's itgonna happen?
When's gonna be that moment, thetipping point where this is
successful?
oh my gosh, I love thatresponse.
Also love that movie.
I, I want to go watch it.
Yes.
And then the second one are, arewe done yet?
Or something like that?
I feel the very much same wayabout podcasting.
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I'm like, are we famous yet?
I know.
I can imagine.
I can imagine.
You, you ladies get it.
A hundred percent.
Okay, next question.
So what is it like building abusiness with your husband and
how does it work day to day?
Is it like a tag team situationor clearly divided roles?
Can you just share some moreinsights about that?
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Yeah, it, it's interesting,we're both very opinionate like
strong opinion type of people.
So that can make things a littlemurky sometimes.
at first it was kind of a tagteam effort, like let's get each
other's opinions on everything,and we still do check in with
each other before we make anydecision.
Um, but our role is prettyclearly divided now, especially
now that I'm stepped away frommy full-time job.
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I'm kind of more running theadmin, the marketing, all of
those things.
we check in with each other, butultimately we've had to become
comfortable with just.
Trusting the other person tomake the call on something that
falls within their wheelhouse.
Otherwise you can spin incircles for forever without
actually making a decision.
so that's definitely helped alot, having more segmentation
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and more ability to just let goand trust that the other one is
handling what they'reresponsible for.
Yeah, that's huge.
That's awesome.
That's like, that's lifechanging, what you just said.
Yeah.
About that.
Um, not just in business too,but like life, no life in
general, like being okay withsomeone else making the decision
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because you know that they knowmore about it or they're in a
better place to make thatdecision and you trust them.
That is.
I know people that have beenmarried like 40 plus years, and
they never get to that much lesspeople that are in business
together.
You, you know how probably 80plus percent of people that go
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into business together don'tmake it, and I feel like you and
Bo have like a secret sauce.
So you should, you should, we'llcapitalize on it, but you should
definitely capitalize on it aswell, because that is crazy.
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That's all I'm gonna say.
Dream team material.
It, it really is to, to be theage that you guys are and to be
okay with somebody else makingthe, the decision, since you
both are very much leaders, it'sdifficult.
Mm-hmm.
When you have two leaders in thesame household.
Somebody always feels slighted,but it sounds like you guys have
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made, uh, the best out of that.
So kudos.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
And you said that you're like atype A controlling person, which
I relate to that.
I know her son Garrett relatesto that too.
So like especially that you'reable to do that, being a type A
person that's also Yes.
Great accomplishment.
Yes.
Huge, huge.
It's definitely not easy.
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And I'll say, I think that thesecret sauce to making the
secret sauce work is.
Like you can't bring it up.
You can't like make thesepassive aggressive comments
about a decision that they madethat you don't agree with you.
You just have to be okay.
Like a decision is made.
We're moving.
We're moving on.
You don't have time to turnaround.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's it.
Oh, that's, mm-hmm.
That part.
(15:45):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Not always looking back to whatcould have been.
Yeah.
But just accepting this is thereality and here's the next step
in that.
Yeah.
I feel like a lot of people livetheir lives in the rearview
mirror.
Oh yeah.
And so, mm-hmm.
That's amazing.
(16:05):
Mm-hmm.
That kudos to you guys.
Yeah.
How do you handle the pressuresof being a mom of two and a
business owner at the same time?
And do you struggle with anyself-doubt or imposter syndrome?
Yeah, the press is real girl.
I feel like I am.
Anytime I'm giving my attentionto one of them, them being the
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business of the kids.
Yeah.
The other one is beingneglected.
Right.
So it, it's like it can make youfeel like you're never fully
your best at anything becausesomething is going without for
something.
Yes.
You getting your attention.
Um, so that part I think ishard, uh, because I, I'd love to
sit down on my computer and likeplot world domination on how to
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get this business off theground.
All day.
But at the same time, theprimary reason I stepped away
from my job was to spend moretime with the kids.
So I have to keep that in theforefront of my mind.
Mm-hmm.
because I, I doubt my abilitiesand, and each of these roles
daily, but you just have to doyour best and, and remember
what's, what's the mostimportant thing ultimately at
the end of the day.
Mm-hmm.
That's great.
(17:10):
Yeah, definitely.
I know for me, just I felt likea part-time mom was the hardest
job ever.
Because you didn't make enoughmoney to put your kids in
full-time daycare, but yet you,you're so divided.
People aren't coming to you.
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You don't make enough money tohave your house cleaned, to have
somebody else watch your kidsand all that.
So you're, you're stuck in thismiddle, like you were saying,
where you're always like, Ugh.
Feeling less than I should havegave more here or, or I don't
have the meal cooked orwhatever.
And so I feel like even thoughyou may see it, like as you
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stepped away from your job, youdefinitely have at least a
part-time job and a full-timejob of being a mom.
And so good for you because Ijust wanna tell you, I see, I
see you.
I remember very clearly when Iwas raising my boys and I was a
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registered nurse.
I could have made a lot of moneyeven back then.
I really could have.
But Jim and I made a decisionthat, that wasn't the forefront.
So mostly the work that I didwas.
For vacations or back to schoolclothes or things like that.
Because when you have someonewho, works full time in a very
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successful, like you were inlike corporate job, it's more
work for you to come home.
A hundred percent.
Yeah.
You may, oh yeah.
Would you agree with thatstatement?
Hundred.
I get to eat lunch with twohands when my kids were in
daycare.
Oh, a hundred percent.
Yes, yes, yes.
You didn't have to cut upsomebody's chicken at lunch.
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You actually gotta cut your own.
So I, I a hundred percent getthat.
I hope that our listeners reallyhear that because I think when
you're in a full-time job, uh,you know, it doesn't matter what
stage of life you're in,especially when you're raising
your kids, you can look and findsomebody's got it better or
somebody's doing it better thanyou are.
(19:21):
Or somebody's doing it worsethan you are, but we gotta
figure out that our plumb lineis not based on what everybody
else is doing.
It's based on what you'vedecided as a family and how you
guys are moving forth.
And so just that you've foundthis in this, um, this early in
your life, you guys are going beabsolutely bosses.
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But I do think women need toknow that part-time work.
Is a lot.
I'm not, I, I'm glad I had theopportunity to do it.
I was fortunately in a situationwhere I could work all night,
take a little nap in the morningwhile the kids went to mother's
morning out.
I wasn't like stuck in thateight to five grind.
(20:04):
But yeah, I do think when youstep back from a full-time job
and become full-time mom with alittle part-time, it is, it is
so difficult.
Oh yes.
Now that I'm on the other side,I see the moms that are out
there chasing their career andI'm feeling like, did I give up
that part of myself?
So it's, I feel like, especiallyin the day of social media, like
whatever decision you make as amom, it's wrong.
(20:26):
Yes.
But there's no way that you cando it perfectly.
Mm-hmm.
So you have to, I think what yousaid, Ronnie, is huge.
Like what decision you've madefor your family.
Like that's what's best for us.
This is what works for us, andanybody's got a problem with it,
you know?
Yes, yes, yes.
Trust me, if they've got aproblem with what you're doing
tomorrow, it'll be somebodyelse.
So just hold on.
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It's true.
Because they'll be on tosomebody else.
If you're not fueling whatthey're trying to put you in
that space, then.
Trust me, they'll go on.
Yeah, that's right.
That's right.
I love that.
Well, that's, I think it's soawesome.
I mean, I'm not a mom yet, butI'm always so inspired by
people.
I mean, even just being a mom iscrazy hard work.
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I know.
So seeing someone that has notonly the courage to like make a
big life change, to create thefuture they want, but also
someone who's being a mom at thesame time and working through
all the comparisons.
Mm-hmm.
The self-doubt and all that.
I think that's really somethingto be proud of.
And I know your kids are gonnabe proud of you in the future
too.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
You're gonna have amazing games,for sure.
For sure.
Mm-hmm.
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So next question.
So how has your definition ofsuccess changed from stepping
away from a nine to five?
I think this is actually what Iprobably have struggled with the
most in stepping away.
Um, I, I feel like in the nineto five world.
Success is incrediblymeasurable.
Yes.
If, you know, you get a score onan annual review, you have in,
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in the world of sales, you havea quota that you're performing
against, you have a, you know,number of digits you're getting
on a commission.
Like all of these things couldtell you black and white, like
you're doing a good job.
and then you go into businessfor yourself and all that's gone
out the window and you're kindof like making your own rules
and you don't really know what agood day looks like because
you've never done this before.
so I think it's reallyimportant.
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To create those for yourself ifyou're stepping away and going
into your own business.
Otherwise, you're never feelinglike you're doing a good job
because wow.
You don't have, you don't,nobody's telling you what that
looks like.
Yeah.
So I think that's somethingthat's helped me a lot is like
every week, no matter how big orsmall it is, I create three
things.
I write them down, I stick themon the side of my desk that I
need to get done for thebusiness.
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If I can get those three thingsdone, like that was a good, um,
otherwise, like I said, you'reback in the.
Am I ever doing enough?
Am I doing it right?
I don't know.
Am I doing a very good job?
I'm not quite sure.
Mm-hmm.
That's been important for me.
That's great.
Yeah.
That you've like, especially ina sales career where bonuses are
a big part of your salary andyou being in leadership with
(22:57):
that, you're, you're alsohelping your employees get to
the maximum amount.
What I'm hearing you say is thatyou've kind of redefined what
success looks like now thatyou're in this different space
in your life.
Yep.
The corporate world tells youit's, it's in a box and you know
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how to, you, you have all theresources to get to the success
and you know when you've gottenthere.
Right.
That is not the case whenyou're, you're the cmo, the CFO.
The CEO.
You're every Yes.
You know what I mean?
So that's great.
Well props to you.
Yes, definitely props to you.
I, I kind of relate to that in away that I was an athlete for a
(23:38):
lot of my life and that's whereI got a lot of my like sense of
accomplishment and success andfulfillment.
Yeah.
And then once I finished collegewith that, I was like, okay,
what now?
Like how do I feel successful?
Like being 20 something, I don'teven have a career.
So it's hard.
I feel like that's when theself-doubt and the imposter
syndrome and.
Like just insecurity comes in.
(24:00):
I know that's something I'vedealt with.
Do you feel like that'sapplicable to you in the same
situation every day?
I feel like I'm not cut in thesame cloth as all these other
people that are running theirown business.
I guess for, for you two,because, because you started
this thing, like how do you twomeasure like success with your
podcast?
Sorry, I'm turning into No, Ilove that.
No, you're good.
That's good.
yeah, I mean that's been.
(24:21):
Tough for us too.
We we're trying not to stayattached to the numbers.
'cause I guess that is like howyou measure success.
We're trying to stay away fromlike focusing on that
wholeheartedly.
Where we're trying to shift ourfocus in terms of like
redefining success for ourselvesis like when we get feedback
from listeners, like maybe oneof our episodes really made an
impact on someone.
Or like, we're learning fromeach other, we're going
(24:41):
together.
I think that's kind of whatwe're trying to like make sure
our focus stays on in terms ofsuccess.
But it is really hard because.
At the end of the day, like, howmany people are listening, how
many people are following us?
Stuff like that.
So yeah, kind of balancing both.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I just want to say a, alittle shout out to kaa.
Weston came from, working in.
(25:03):
Division one college where youwork 70, 80 hours a week.
It is what you do.
It's all you do.
You work, you eat, you comehome, you sleep.
and there's a lot of moving, alot of mobility that has to
happen and Cana has consistentlyput her her own wants, desires,
(25:24):
goals.
Aside to take care of Weston andto be there for him.
And I know that a hundredpercent of the time she is
cooking him dinner, she's mealplanning, she's washing clothes,
she's doing all that, and.
I, I pray to God that I neverlike take that for granted
(25:48):
because I can see how much itmeant to my son, and I know even
though she's moved and he haslike a 40 hour work week, and
things are great, I know howmuch it means to my son to come
home to somebody that's notconstantly stressed out or on
(26:09):
the phone.
Till late in the night.
And so she's, she has selflesslylike put her life on hold and I
just pray that this whole thingthat we're doing will somehow
like repay her back.
'cause that's, as a mom, that'shuge, especially a mom of of
boys.
(26:29):
Where you kind of feel like, andI have never had a, a daughter,
so this is all like unchartedterritory for me, but I knew
that I was desperate.
Ronnie G (26:40):
This woman had, I had to love her.
We had to get along because sheloves him more than I do.
And so that kind of thing.
But I could have ranted to cutall that out if you want.
I love it.
Yes.
I love it so much.
Thanks for the compliment,Ronnie.
I'm someone like you.
Yes.
(27:00):
Aww.
Yes.
Yes.
Thanks.
Well, thanks for the compliment,Ronnie, and I think you do a
great job of making people feelseen.
So that's your superpower.
I love it.
But well.
Yeah.
I mean, I was so happy tosupport Weston because of how
passionate he was about hiscareer, and I feel like now the
tables have kind of turned wherehe's allowing me to just do
(27:22):
part-time work while I try andbuild this podcast.
Mm-hmm.
So now he's supporting me in thesame way.
Mm-hmm.
So, mm-hmm.
There again.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, in the tough days, whatkeeps you grounded, Mrs.
Perry?
What keeps you motivated on thetough, tough days?
(27:43):
I dunno if my husband wouldconsider me grounded ever.
Um, but let's say I am for thesake of this question.
I think it's really two things.
One, that I get to spend thetime with my kids and the fact
that now I've realized that Ihonestly, I never really wanna
work for anyone but myselfagain.
Yeah.
Um, those two things keep megoing.
You know, it's like once you geta taste of what it's like to be
(28:06):
able to make all of thedecisions for yourself.
It, it's hard to go back.
but of course, I, I just have totrust the process and know that
one day what we're trying tobuild will come.
but that definitely keeps megrounded, that I want, that I
have goals in mind of what Iwant life to look like for the
next few years.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Same with me and the podcast.
(28:27):
Like, we're not making moneyyet.
We hope to in the future.
Yeah.
But I feel like I have to remindmyself of the same thing where
like, if I was able to do thisas a full-time job, I'm like.
That would be amazing.
I wouldn't have to like, go onsomeone else's schedule, listen
to boss, like, oh my gosh.
So it's keeping me focused onbuild the podcast and then on
the tough days where I'm like,is this even gonna go anywhere?
(28:49):
I just have to remind myself totrust the process similar to you
and know that it, if it doeswork out, then I'm gonna be
like, so, so happy that I stuckit out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, let's just cut to thechase.
If.
If things don't work out,business-wise between any of us,
the biggest job you have israising those two little humans.
(29:12):
It's right, and it will be themost rewarding.
You may not see it today or evenin five years, but I, I know
you'll see it.
You're amazing person.
I mean, but yeah.
Yeah, just, just those littlethings that you get to
celebrate.
And if I had one piece ofadvice, I would say, not that
(29:33):
you need it, but I would say.
Capitalize on those little winsthat you have with those little
humans because there'll be a daythat you need to draw from that.
And so I would say write itdown, keep, keep some kind of
record of it and, and then whenit's really crappy, you can go
(29:55):
back and say, you know, no onecan pay me enough to do that.
A hundred percent.
So what you're doing is amazingand don't let anybody ever
question that.
Mm-hmm.
Oh, that's got me crying in theclub.
Oh, me too, girl.
(30:16):
This is not the first time.
There's been tears on thispodcast.
It's okay.
You guys just bring it out.
Well, we were, that reminds meour imposter syndrome episode we
were talking about.
Like tracking your wins andmaking like a wind jar.
So like, like Ronnie was saying,with your kids, and I think also
with your business and stufftoo, like I wanna start doing
that with the podcast as well tohelp me keep my motivation and
(30:41):
keep myself grounded on thetough days.
Yeah.
So there's something to it, forsure.
Yeah.
I'll, all right, so lastquestion before we get to our
closing.
What advice would you give tosomeone who's maybe stuck in a
job or a lifestyle or a careerthat doesn't fulfill them, but
they're scared to walk away?
I would tell them life is tooshort to spend it doing
(31:01):
something that doesn't fulfillyou.
however.
I would also tell them that thatfear is valid, like we talked
about earlier with theseInstagram entrepreneurs, like
it's easy.
You just do it.
Like you just quit your job.
You just, um, like it's notreal.
So what you're feeling is valid.
It is real.
So I would tell someone in thatposition, like really sit down
(31:22):
and think like, what could youdo now that would put you in a
position to feel comfortablewalking away?
For me and my husband, it wascreating a, a sound product and
getting our savings account in areally healthy place where we
felt comfortable.
if, if you're feelingunfulfilled, that doesn't mean
like you call your boss todayand tell him, mc cross, you're
(31:42):
out of here.
Like, take the time now whileyou're still working that job.
Yes.
To build something, even if youcan just spend like a few hours
here and there, you can setyourself up while you're still
working this job to make thatleap and have it not be as scary
if you take your time.
With it, like it, it will beworth it.
I'm not saying it's easy to getoff your full-time job and then
(32:04):
do all the otherresponsibilities you have, and
then take an hour before bed tolike work on building a
business.
but what I can say is that itwill be worth it when what
you're building allows you towalk away from something that's
no longer serving you.
Oh, it's worth the extra time.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's great advice.
And I think he really went aboutit in a smart way, like taking
the time to make sure you're ina place to do it.
(32:27):
And also just in terms of likethe product you're selling, you
found a gap in the market fromwhat your husband was griping
about all the men's T-shirts andWest and probably had some of
the same gripes because he islike a literal brick door, and
so you can never find anythingthat fits.
So you found a gap in the marketand you built it up and you gave
yourself the time to be in aplace to do it.
(32:48):
So.
Yeah.
Kudos man.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Carissa, we wanna make sure thatwe get everything where people
can like, come straight to thepodcast and get a link.
To purchasing that.
And I saw that you have a littlediscount code already.
Yes.
(33:08):
I know that Jim would love him'cause he's very long wasted.
So he needs a large through theshoulders now, but he needs an
extra large through the lengthand that is a problem.
I am definitely ordering some,like as soon as I get off this
podcast, I'm gonna tell you thatright now.
(33:28):
Yeah, like Ronnie said, we wannathank you for being on the
podcast.
I know like we're pretty smallright now because we just
started, but I'm hoping we'regonna grow and then hopefully
people will listen to thisepisode and you'll be able to
get your product out there, evenif it's just a few people.
But yeah, we'll definitely makea reel.
Um, when this episode releases,I'll make sure to put the Amazon
link in the show notes mm-hmm.
And stuff like that.
And the code.
(33:49):
But we'll try and give you asmuch publicity as we can.
Of course.
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
I mean, it's just so cool.
Alright, we're gonna do ourclosing real quick.
So you said you've listened tothe episodes, so you're familiar
with the what she said segment?
Yes.
Nice.
Okay.
Well, for what she said, you'regonna be the she.
And our question for you is, isthere a motto, a quote, a
(34:12):
mindset, anything that you liveby that you wanna share with the
listeners?
Yes.
And this one is not always easyto live by, but this has been at
least over the last few yearssince my kids have been born.
Um, a quote that I like to keepfront and center in my mind.
I'm know if so try about to overcenter.
Um, but the quote is sometimeslater becomes, never do it now.
(34:33):
Ooh.
And I think that's cute.
That is a good one.
Yeah.
I love it.
Like I'm the queen of pushingoff bigger and better things to
stay in my comfortable littlebubble.
Mm-hmm.
But sometimes you do that for solong, you never make it happen.
And like for me in particular,this kids home because my kids
aren't getting any younger, likeno one day they're gonna be in
school, they're gonna be awayfrom me all day.
I can always go back and workfor corporate America again.
(34:55):
but I can't over this time backwith them.
So that's what really likeexpedited the clock for us when
it came to making this decision,because later is gonna become
never.
The kids will be in school.
They won't be little.
Um, right.
Do it now.
I love that.
Nice.
Yeah, that's great advice forsure.
That's huge.
We've been reading the Let ThemBook by Mel Robbins.
(35:15):
I don't know if you've heardabout it.
I struggle with the same thingwhere I like put stuff off and I
procrastinate and in beginningof the book, she talks about
like the 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 method.
Where if you need to getyourself to do something,
instead of procrastinating itand doing it, never or later,
you just go 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 inyour brain and then you do it
right away.
Oh yeah.
I need to write.
I've, I've been using it for acouple days and I'm like, okay.
(35:37):
Wow.
This is great.
It is great because she says ittakes about five seconds for
your brain to talk you out.
Of what you need to, whatever's,um, overwhelming you emotionally
or whatever, it takes about fiveseconds for your brain to talk
you out of what, of doing that.
And so she just mm-hmm.
(35:58):
Thought about like space shuttleand said, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, blast
off.
And it's, it's pretty cool.
We, we have really enjoyedreading her.
Oh my gosh.
It's probably the best self-helpbook I have ever read, so, oh,
it's highly recommend.
We're actually gonna do anepisode on it pretty soon here.
(36:19):
Audio book listeners, PaigeTurners, like, how do we read
this book?
What do you do?
Um.
I, I know there's an audio bookfor sure.
I'm a, I'm a read it by the bookkind of girl, but it's, it's
just so good because I had toldCana and when we were, we
initially started reading itwas, you see a lot of the memes
(36:40):
and the different things orreels that they're doing with
the Let them theory, you know,they're like, mm-hmm If
somebody, da da da da, let themda, da da.
Well, in the book you figure outthat let them is only half of
the equation.
You let them in order to letyourself do this, so mm-hmm.
(37:03):
She's kinda like 50% of it, and,and it makes, and I hate that
for her.
'cause I feel like a lot ofjust, let's just say
evangelicals or whatever aregonna say, oh, well you're
supposed to love your neighboras yourself, blah, blah, blah,
all that.
I'm not saying that that's notsignificant, but I feel like.
This second part of let them isso crucial.
(37:26):
It's like somebody wants totreat you terribly.
Okay, let them do that, but thenlet me initiate some boundaries
come up with mm-hmm.
You know, like it's, it's yourresponsibility.
Like one thing she said is youcan't just say let them to
everybody because you'll belonely.
(37:46):
You will cut everybody outtayour life.
And so what she was saying was.
Okay, I'm gonna let them do thisbecause I feel left out.
But then I get to decide, oh, Ireally want to have a
relationship with this person.
How am I gonna get there if I'mleft out of the group?
Is that on me or is that onthem?
(38:08):
And most of the time it's onourselves.
Yeah.
Because we get over committed ortoo much.
So she goes into this wholething of I wasn't invited on
that trip.
Yeah.
And yes, these are my neighbors,but when I look back and see, I
have had no time for them, sowhy wouldn't they go on a trip
without me?
(38:28):
Yeah.
I've not put forth the effort,so it just puts it back on
yourself.
So I feel like it gives you alot more power.
Let them as a little bit ofpower.
But I think, let me, is like.
The secret sauce like you.
Yeah.
Otherwise, you're always gonnastill be a victim to what
somebody else thinks or saysabout you.
(38:48):
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
I think that's so powerful.
it's a self-awareness of it alltoo.
Oh, so good.
And such a easy read.
But yeah, it's been lifechanging.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Definitely read it if you're areader, but we're gonna do an
episode on it too, so we'll tryto sum it up for everybody.
Yes ma'am.
You gimme the spark notes.
I will, I will.
Oh my goodness.
Well, thank you so much forjoining us.
(39:09):
This was a really fun episode,and.
Excited to share all yourinsights and your story with our
listeners.
Yes.
So thank you so much for joiningus.
Yes, thank you so much.
Tell your mother I said helloand they need to come back.
South Carolina.
They can park their RV righthere in my yard and never
plenty.
I know, that's what I'm saying.
Park it and then come up hereand stay with me.
(39:31):
That perfect.
I love you, girl.
You're so precious.
All right.
Thank you so much.
Thank you, ladies.
Yes.
Are you familiar with how weclose our episodes?
we just do.
And that's the, that's the T.
Oh, and that's the t.
Yay.
So we just kind, so for youdon't whack your microphone.
Yes.
It's just kind of like, um, ahands up.
So basically a high five, Idon't know.
(39:53):
Two, three.
And that's the, and that's thetea.
Thank you Sweet friend.
that's like one of the biggestissues we have is when we are in
different time zones, it's hardto, we're still trying to
regulate that Rome wasn't untilThat's right.
Exactly.
Is your mama there?
She took the kids to the park.
I was like, you gotta get'emoutta here.
They're, they're like all overme right now.
Oh, well tell her I said thankyou.
(00:32):
How old are your babies?
One just turned three and theother one is one.
Oh, my busy lady.
They are so beautiful.
Thank you.
Oh yeah, I was, looking at yourInstagram and your Facebook
earlier, and I was like, oh mygosh.
What a cute little family.
Well, thank you.
Thank you.
Yes, yes, yes.
(00:52):
so wait, how do you guys knoweach other?
when did you meet?
Probably in 2008.
I don't know.
I was like in middle school.
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
The end of your middle schoolyear and then you guys moved,
right?
Yeah.
So we knew each other fromchurch, velocity.
Okay.
Marathon at the time.
Honey, there's been so muchstuff that's went on since then.
(01:13):
Be glad you're in California.
Oh, really?
Okay.
This is.
Yeah, but anyways, it's allgood.
So, yeah.
Garrett had the biggest crush onher, like, oh.
They went to homecomingtogether.
Oh, okay.
He had the biggest crush on her.
Maybe that's why your face looksfamiliar.
'cause I'm pretty sure I've seenthe homecoming photos.
(01:34):
Yeah, I've looked the same sinceI was like two years old.
I really just get bigger andlook older.
My face isn't same, so.
Well that's a great thing.
So your brother is, um, notTyler, but the younger one.
Is he out there in Californianow?
He is, yeah.
And he's in the army.
Yeah.
He's about to leave soon.
(01:54):
Hopefully.
We'll see.
Nice.
Well, Weston actually is astrength coach for the Army now.
Right.
He got outta college football.
Louisiana.
Yep.
There's no other reason to movethere, honey.
No.
Literally living in a town oflike 5,000 people, but the
military bases aren't over here,so it's, it's, it's interesting.
(02:16):
I, I was gonna ask how that'sbeen for you.
I'm sure it's a culture sauce.
Well, I'm not a big city girl,so it's not the worst, but it
is, it's an adjustment.
Imagine.
Did you guys meet in college, orwhere'd you meet?
Yeah, we met in college.
We didn't go to the same school.
One of my college teammatesended up marrying one of his
high school friends, so we metat their wedding, so yeah.
(02:37):
Oh, I love that.
Yeah.
It was during Covid.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, Weston was oneyou, you can't get a lot out of
him, and we didn't even know hewas dating somebody.
Again, you're on a need to knowbasis, and 99% of the time you
don't need to know his business.
He's gonna make sure.
So when she came around it waslike, whoa.
Well, well he, he texted me oneday and he said, I'm bringing a
(03:00):
girl home this weekend.
Is that okay?
And we were in the middle ofrenovating our whole upstairs.
You remember that Cana?
I do.
You slept on a mattress on thefloor the first night you ever.
And she decided to stay so well.
I actually slept in Westingroom, but I, well, I knew that,
but whatever.
Not important detail.
(03:20):
We're ready.
Now's fine.
Not important anymore.
It, you know, I wasn't bornyesterday, honey.
Yeah, I know what y'all bedoing.
You know how it is.
Oh my gosh.
Oh my word.
Sorry.
We digressed.
Anyways.
Yes.
Welcome everybody to theGenerational Tea Podcast.
I'm Cana.
And I'm Ronnie.
(03:41):
And today we have, again, a veryspecial guest that we're gonna
interview today.
So Carissa, welcome to thepodcast.
We're so happy to have you here.
Do you just wanna brieflyintroduce yourself to the
listeners, a little bit aboutyou?
Absolutely.
Hello listeners.
Um, my name is Carissa Perry.
Excited to be here today.
I am a recently ex corporatesales leader slash recently new
(04:04):
entrepreneur and a mother oftwo.
I'm here trying to figure itout.
Yeah.
Nice.
Awesome, awesome, awesome.
Well, today we're really gonnadig into, like you said, your
transition from being acorporate girly to an
entrepreneur and all the thingsthat go along with that, as well
as some fun other questions.
So let's dive right in if you'reready.
I'm ready.
(04:25):
Let's do it.
Awesome.
Awesome.
Ronnie, you wanna kick us offwith the first question?
Uh, yeah.
So Carissa, you have a companycalled Perry Collective.
Is that right?
That is correct.
Just wanna make sure I have beenon there.
can you tell us a bit about yourbackground and what life looked
(04:45):
like before you made the leapinto entrepreneurship?
Yeah, definitely.
very different.
I guess I'll start back withwhen I went to school.
I went to school for corporateand social event planning, which
is not what I ended up doing andnot what I'm doing now as it
tends to happen when it comes tocollege degree.
but I went to school for eventplanning.
Did that for a few years rightout of college where I quickly
(05:07):
learned, this is glamorous andfun, but I'm working every
Friday night.
I'm working every Saturdaynight.
I don't have much of a sociallife.
I'm 22 years old.
We don't know if I love this.
It doesn't have the mostbeautiful paycheck attached to
it to make it worth it.
So I did as young people do,follow the money into sales.
which is when I started reallymy real corporate journey,
probably six, seven years agonow.
(05:29):
I spent some time as a salesrep.
Pounding the pavement.
I, I actually really liked itand I was actually humbly fairly
good at it.
so I did that for a few yearsand then eventually worked my
way into a leadership positionwhere I spent the last three
years of my corporate careerleading sales teams of 10 to 12
people and then hit theirfinancial goals and ultimately
(05:51):
get better at their job.
So that's, that's a little bitabout what I did before I made
the crazy leap and left thatcorporate journey behind me.
Yeah.
Nice.
Was there like a specifictipping point or a moment when
you were just like, I don'twanna do this anymore, I can't
do this anymore, when youdecided to leave your corporate
job?
Yeah.
You know what's funny, and thismay be like a bit of a hot take,
but I actually really likedworking.
(06:13):
I was super fulfilled I reallyenjoyed that competitive
environment, facing thatsuccessful corporate career.
I found a lot of purpose in itfor a long time, but.
Something came into my life afew years ago that gave me even
more purpose than I could haveever imagined, which was
ultimately my kids.
So, I started out really lovingmy job, still loved it all the
(06:34):
way up until the end, but I willsay the more time I spent away
from my kids, the lessfulfilling I found my job to be.
So it really just came down to,you know, my priorities shifting
a bit.
mm-hmm.
However, I'm, I'm actuallyhonestly, which is crazy for an
entrepreneur.
I'm a pretty financially riskaverse person in general.
(06:54):
Um, so I wasn't ready to justlike, make this emotional
decision and like call my bossand say I'm outta here, um,
without having some sort ofsafety net in place to make that
leap.
So we actually kind of startedthis entrepreneurship journey
when I was pregnant with mysecond child, my daughter.
so we really sat down andstarted to brainstorm like two
things before we got to thistipping point, which is one,
(07:17):
what could we start or createthat would allow me to bring in
some sort of income withoutsacrificing a full day away from
my kids?
And two, what's that magicnumber that we can set aside to
make sure that our monthly billswould be covered for like six to
12 months if worst case scenariohappened?
This business so miserably, myhusband lost his job or.
Where something crazy happens.
(07:37):
yeah.
Gotcha.
Yeah.
So what were some of theemotions or fears that came up
in making such a big transition?
A lot.
Uh, a lot of emotions, a lot offears.
I think there's definitely thisstigma as a woman that if you
walk away from a successfulcareer that you've built, after
you have kids, you're likegiving up your identity and
(07:58):
you're just throwing it allaway.
so I started a lot with the.
Just like identity crisis of itall, I will say.
and then of course I worriedabout the financial
implications.
Like you have all theseentrepreneur influencers on
Instagram, like you just quityour job and you buy a car wash
or a vending machine, and thenyou're a millionaire tomorrow
and it really doesn't work likeso.
I did worry a lot about like,how long is it gonna take to get
(08:20):
this off the ground?
Do I even have what it takes tomake it happen?
but ultimately on the positiveside, the emotions that I got to
feel during making this decisionwere.
Like, how much more of my kids'life am I gonna be present for?
How much more time am I gonnaget to spend with them?
And ultimately that, that trumpsall of the fear.
So we went for it.
Yeah.
So I'm curious, like, such a bigtransition, was it like tapering
(08:42):
off your corporate job over timeor was it like a clean break,
dive right intoentrepreneurship?
Like, how long did thetransition take you?
Yeah, like I said, I, I'm likefairly financially risk averse
because.
Many decisions I make now, likemy children lay in the wake of
the consequences that come withthose decisions that I make when
it comes to our income.
So we did start this processabout nine to 10 months before I
(09:06):
actually stepped away from myjob.
I went back to work after bothof my kids were born, and we
really spent our time, likeafter they would go to bed at
night trying to build ourproducts, trying to get things
in place, but that ultimatelywhen I stepped away.
I was able to have those twothings that we talked about that
were really important to us,which was one, like a product in
place and a plan ready to go.
(09:27):
And two, a savings account thatwas in a healthy enough position
where I didn't have to feel likecrippling anxiety about stepping
away from a stable in firm inpaycheck.
So we started the process likenine months before it even
happened.
just kind of messing around withit, seeing what it led to, and
then.
Ultimately quit almost a yearlater.
So it wasn't like thoseinfluencers say like, quit your
job and you're a millionaire thenext day.
(09:50):
Yeah.
I've seen a lot of that onTikTok and everywhere.
It's frustrating because you'relike, oh, it's that simple.
No, it's not.
Exactly.
Exactly, man.
So really digging into yourbusiness, the Perry Collective,
what Rhonda explained to me isit's what you described as like
the perfect men's T-shirt.
Is that right?
(10:10):
Yes, Awesome.
Well, can you tell us a littlebit more about the product and
how the idea came about?
Yeah, definitely.
I would say out of the two ofus, my husband is definitely
more of like the fashionistamore on it with the trend.
Like his algorithm on socialmedia is just like fashion in
men's clothes, women's clothes,you name it.
(10:31):
and he actually likes to getthings from me as he comes
across them because.
All the time you're seeing onsocial media like, oh, this,
this women's clothing that'sjust like a luxury product, but
half price on Amazon.
So to order me things, which issuper fun for me, um, but he
became increasingly frustratedthat he was coming across all
these cool Amazon finds for me,but didn't really find anything
(10:52):
for himself.
And he's very particular aboutthe way his, he doesn't wanna
raise his arms and have hisShelly stick out.
He doesn't want it to hug in theright the wrong places and this
and that.
So the fruit that he buys andsmell aren't actually quite
expensive.
And so we thought, you knowwhat?
If we're so mad that we can'tfind him, why don't we just make
it?
Obviously now that I'm kind ofrunning the business, is it my
(11:14):
passion to have this super coolmen's feature?
I wouldn't say necessarily, butit's good.
So that's what we decided tostart with.
'cause we saw a new market forit, and that's ultimately what
it came down to.
Nice.
That's cool.
I'm like a little jealous thatyour husband will just like buy
you clothes all the time.
My friends are compliment in myoffice.
I'm like, I don't, I, I don'tknow where he found it.
(11:34):
Talk to him.
He knows.
That's awesome.
I love that.
Oh my gosh.
if your business journey was amovie, what would it be
entitled?
Do you guys remember that movie?
I think it's like from the earlytwo thousands of Ice Cube.
Are we there yet?
When he is on a Oh yes.
(11:55):
I love that movie.
Yes.
That's a good one.
Never forget.
So I would say, are we thereyet?
In the sense that sometimes Ifeel like the kid in the
backseat on a road trip that'slike, okay, are we there yet?
I'm very, uh, type A.
I'm very controlling.
I'm very impatient.
Um, I wanna just like.
Set a goal and reach itimmediately.
And that's just not the casewhen it comes to starting a
business.
(12:15):
So I would say, are we thereyet?
'cause that's kind of what's inmy head every day.
Like, oh my goodness, when's itgonna happen?
When's gonna be that moment, thetipping point where this is
successful?
oh my gosh, I love thatresponse.
Also love that movie.
I, I want to go watch it.
Yes.
And then the second one are, arewe done yet?
Or something like that?
I feel the very much same wayabout podcasting.
(12:36):
I'm like, are we famous yet?
I know.
I can imagine.
I can imagine.
You, you ladies get it.
A hundred percent.
Okay, next question.
So what is it like building abusiness with your husband and
how does it work day to day?
Is it like a tag team situationor clearly divided roles?
Can you just share some moreinsights about that?
(12:56):
Yeah, it, it's interesting,we're both very opinionate like
strong opinion type of people.
So that can make things a littlemurky sometimes.
at first it was kind of a tagteam effort, like let's get each
other's opinions on everything,and we still do check in with
each other before we make anydecision.
Um, but our role is prettyclearly divided now, especially
now that I'm stepped away frommy full-time job.
(13:17):
I'm kind of more running theadmin, the marketing, all of
those things.
we check in with each other, butultimately we've had to become
comfortable with just.
Trusting the other person tomake the call on something that
falls within their wheelhouse.
Otherwise you can spin incircles for forever without
actually making a decision.
so that's definitely helped alot, having more segmentation
(13:39):
and more ability to just let goand trust that the other one is
handling what they'reresponsible for.
Yeah, that's huge.
That's awesome.
That's like, that's lifechanging, what you just said.
Yeah.
About that.
Um, not just in business too,but like life, no life in
general, like being okay withsomeone else making the decision
(14:00):
because you know that they knowmore about it or they're in a
better place to make thatdecision and you trust them.
That is.
I know people that have beenmarried like 40 plus years, and
they never get to that much lesspeople that are in business
together.
You, you know how probably 80plus percent of people that go
(14:22):
into business together don'tmake it, and I feel like you and
Bo have like a secret sauce.
So you should, you should, we'llcapitalize on it, but you should
definitely capitalize on it aswell, because that is crazy.
(14:43):
That's all I'm gonna say.
Dream team material.
It, it really is to, to be theage that you guys are and to be
okay with somebody else makingthe, the decision, since you
both are very much leaders, it'sdifficult.
Mm-hmm.
When you have two leaders in thesame household.
Somebody always feels slighted,but it sounds like you guys have
(15:04):
made, uh, the best out of that.
So kudos.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
And you said that you're like atype A controlling person, which
I relate to that.
I know her son Garrett relatesto that too.
So like especially that you'reable to do that, being a type A
person that's also Yes.
Great accomplishment.
Yes.
Huge, huge.
It's definitely not easy.
(15:24):
And I'll say, I think that thesecret sauce to making the
secret sauce work is.
Like you can't bring it up.
You can't like make thesepassive aggressive comments
about a decision that they madethat you don't agree with you.
You just have to be okay.
Like a decision is made.
We're moving.
We're moving on.
You don't have time to turnaround.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's it.
Oh, that's, mm-hmm.
That part.
(15:45):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Not always looking back to whatcould have been.
Yeah.
But just accepting this is thereality and here's the next step
in that.
Yeah.
I feel like a lot of people livetheir lives in the rearview
mirror.
Oh yeah.
And so, mm-hmm.
That's amazing.
(16:05):
Mm-hmm.
That kudos to you guys.
Yeah.
How do you handle the pressuresof being a mom of two and a
business owner at the same time?
And do you struggle with anyself-doubt or imposter syndrome?
Yeah, the press is real girl.
I feel like I am.
Anytime I'm giving my attentionto one of them, them being the
(16:28):
business of the kids.
Yeah.
The other one is beingneglected.
Right.
So it, it's like it can make youfeel like you're never fully
your best at anything becausesomething is going without for
something.
Yes.
You getting your attention.
Um, so that part I think ishard, uh, because I, I'd love to
sit down on my computer and likeplot world domination on how to
(16:49):
get this business off theground.
All day.
But at the same time, theprimary reason I stepped away
from my job was to spend moretime with the kids.
So I have to keep that in theforefront of my mind.
Mm-hmm.
because I, I doubt my abilitiesand, and each of these roles
daily, but you just have to doyour best and, and remember
what's, what's the mostimportant thing ultimately at
the end of the day.
Mm-hmm.
That's great.
(17:10):
Yeah, definitely.
I know for me, just I felt likea part-time mom was the hardest
job ever.
Because you didn't make enoughmoney to put your kids in
full-time daycare, but yet you,you're so divided.
People aren't coming to you.
(17:31):
You don't make enough money tohave your house cleaned, to have
somebody else watch your kidsand all that.
So you're, you're stuck in thismiddle, like you were saying,
where you're always like, Ugh.
Feeling less than I should havegave more here or, or I don't
have the meal cooked orwhatever.
And so I feel like even thoughyou may see it, like as you
(17:53):
stepped away from your job, youdefinitely have at least a
part-time job and a full-timejob of being a mom.
And so good for you because Ijust wanna tell you, I see, I
see you.
I remember very clearly when Iwas raising my boys and I was a
(18:14):
registered nurse.
I could have made a lot of moneyeven back then.
I really could have.
But Jim and I made a decisionthat, that wasn't the forefront.
So mostly the work that I didwas.
For vacations or back to schoolclothes or things like that.
Because when you have someonewho, works full time in a very
(18:38):
successful, like you were inlike corporate job, it's more
work for you to come home.
A hundred percent.
Yeah.
You may, oh yeah.
Would you agree with thatstatement?
Hundred.
I get to eat lunch with twohands when my kids were in
daycare.
Oh, a hundred percent.
Yes, yes, yes.
You didn't have to cut upsomebody's chicken at lunch.
(19:00):
You actually gotta cut your own.
So I, I a hundred percent getthat.
I hope that our listeners reallyhear that because I think when
you're in a full-time job, uh,you know, it doesn't matter what
stage of life you're in,especially when you're raising
your kids, you can look and findsomebody's got it better or
somebody's doing it better thanyou are.
(19:21):
Or somebody's doing it worsethan you are, but we gotta
figure out that our plumb lineis not based on what everybody
else is doing.
It's based on what you'vedecided as a family and how you
guys are moving forth.
And so just that you've foundthis in this, um, this early in
your life, you guys are going beabsolutely bosses.
(19:42):
But I do think women need toknow that part-time work.
Is a lot.
I'm not, I, I'm glad I had theopportunity to do it.
I was fortunately in a situationwhere I could work all night,
take a little nap in the morningwhile the kids went to mother's
morning out.
I wasn't like stuck in thateight to five grind.
(20:04):
But yeah, I do think when youstep back from a full-time job
and become full-time mom with alittle part-time, it is, it is
so difficult.
Oh yes.
Now that I'm on the other side,I see the moms that are out
there chasing their career andI'm feeling like, did I give up
that part of myself?
So it's, I feel like, especiallyin the day of social media, like
whatever decision you make as amom, it's wrong.
(20:26):
Yes.
But there's no way that you cando it perfectly.
Mm-hmm.
So you have to, I think what yousaid, Ronnie, is huge.
Like what decision you've madefor your family.
Like that's what's best for us.
This is what works for us, andanybody's got a problem with it,
you know?
Yes, yes, yes.
Trust me, if they've got aproblem with what you're doing
tomorrow, it'll be somebodyelse.
So just hold on.
(20:48):
It's true.
Because they'll be on tosomebody else.
If you're not fueling whatthey're trying to put you in
that space, then.
Trust me, they'll go on.
Yeah, that's right.
That's right.
I love that.
Well, that's, I think it's soawesome.
I mean, I'm not a mom yet, butI'm always so inspired by
people.
I mean, even just being a mom iscrazy hard work.
(21:09):
I know.
So seeing someone that has notonly the courage to like make a
big life change, to create thefuture they want, but also
someone who's being a mom at thesame time and working through
all the comparisons.
Mm-hmm.
The self-doubt and all that.
I think that's really somethingto be proud of.
And I know your kids are gonnabe proud of you in the future
too.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
You're gonna have amazing games,for sure.
For sure.
Mm-hmm.
(21:30):
So next question.
So how has your definition ofsuccess changed from stepping
away from a nine to five?
I think this is actually what Iprobably have struggled with the
most in stepping away.
Um, I, I feel like in the nineto five world.
Success is incrediblymeasurable.
Yes.
If, you know, you get a score onan annual review, you have in,
(21:51):
in the world of sales, you havea quota that you're performing
against, you have a, you know,number of digits you're getting
on a commission.
Like all of these things couldtell you black and white, like
you're doing a good job.
and then you go into businessfor yourself and all that's gone
out the window and you're kindof like making your own rules
and you don't really know what agood day looks like because
you've never done this before.
so I think it's reallyimportant.
(22:12):
To create those for yourself ifyou're stepping away and going
into your own business.
Otherwise, you're never feelinglike you're doing a good job
because wow.
You don't have, you don't,nobody's telling you what that
looks like.
Yeah.
So I think that's somethingthat's helped me a lot is like
every week, no matter how big orsmall it is, I create three
things.
I write them down, I stick themon the side of my desk that I
need to get done for thebusiness.
(22:34):
If I can get those three thingsdone, like that was a good, um,
otherwise, like I said, you'reback in the.
Am I ever doing enough?
Am I doing it right?
I don't know.
Am I doing a very good job?
I'm not quite sure.
Mm-hmm.
That's been important for me.
That's great.
Yeah.
That you've like, especially ina sales career where bonuses are
a big part of your salary andyou being in leadership with
(22:57):
that, you're, you're alsohelping your employees get to
the maximum amount.
What I'm hearing you say is thatyou've kind of redefined what
success looks like now thatyou're in this different space
in your life.
Yep.
The corporate world tells youit's, it's in a box and you know
(23:18):
how to, you, you have all theresources to get to the success
and you know when you've gottenthere.
Right.
That is not the case whenyou're, you're the cmo, the CFO.
The CEO.
You're every Yes.
You know what I mean?
So that's great.
Well props to you.
Yes, definitely props to you.
I, I kind of relate to that in away that I was an athlete for a
(23:38):
lot of my life and that's whereI got a lot of my like sense of
accomplishment and success andfulfillment.
Yeah.
And then once I finished collegewith that, I was like, okay,
what now?
Like how do I feel successful?
Like being 20 something, I don'teven have a career.
So it's hard.
I feel like that's when theself-doubt and the imposter
syndrome and.
Like just insecurity comes in.
(24:00):
I know that's something I'vedealt with.
Do you feel like that'sapplicable to you in the same
situation every day?
I feel like I'm not cut in thesame cloth as all these other
people that are running theirown business.
I guess for, for you two,because, because you started
this thing, like how do you twomeasure like success with your
podcast?
Sorry, I'm turning into No, Ilove that.
No, you're good.
That's good.
yeah, I mean that's been.
(24:21):
Tough for us too.
We we're trying not to stayattached to the numbers.
'cause I guess that is like howyou measure success.
We're trying to stay away fromlike focusing on that
wholeheartedly.
Where we're trying to shift ourfocus in terms of like
redefining success for ourselvesis like when we get feedback
from listeners, like maybe oneof our episodes really made an
impact on someone.
Or like, we're learning fromeach other, we're going
(24:41):
together.
I think that's kind of whatwe're trying to like make sure
our focus stays on in terms ofsuccess.
But it is really hard because.
At the end of the day, like, howmany people are listening, how
many people are following us?
Stuff like that.
So yeah, kind of balancing both.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I just want to say a, alittle shout out to kaa.
Weston came from, working in.
(25:03):
Division one college where youwork 70, 80 hours a week.
It is what you do.
It's all you do.
You work, you eat, you comehome, you sleep.
and there's a lot of moving, alot of mobility that has to
happen and Cana has consistentlyput her her own wants, desires,
(25:24):
goals.
Aside to take care of Weston andto be there for him.
And I know that a hundredpercent of the time she is
cooking him dinner, she's mealplanning, she's washing clothes,
she's doing all that, and.
I, I pray to God that I neverlike take that for granted
(25:48):
because I can see how much itmeant to my son, and I know even
though she's moved and he haslike a 40 hour work week, and
things are great, I know howmuch it means to my son to come
home to somebody that's notconstantly stressed out or on
(26:09):
the phone.
Till late in the night.
And so she's, she has selflesslylike put her life on hold and I
just pray that this whole thingthat we're doing will somehow
like repay her back.
'cause that's, as a mom, that'shuge, especially a mom of of
boys.
(26:29):
Where you kind of feel like, andI have never had a, a daughter,
so this is all like unchartedterritory for me, but I knew
that I was desperate.
Ronnie G (26:40):
This woman had, I had to love her.
We had to get along because sheloves him more than I do.
And so that kind of thing.
But I could have ranted to cutall that out if you want.
I love it.
Yes.
I love it so much.
Thanks for the compliment,Ronnie.
I'm someone like you.
Yes.
(27:00):
Aww.
Yes.
Yes.
Thanks.
Well, thanks for the compliment,Ronnie, and I think you do a
great job of making people feelseen.
So that's your superpower.
I love it.
But well.
Yeah.
I mean, I was so happy tosupport Weston because of how
passionate he was about hiscareer, and I feel like now the
tables have kind of turned wherehe's allowing me to just do
(27:22):
part-time work while I try andbuild this podcast.
Mm-hmm.
So now he's supporting me in thesame way.
Mm-hmm.
So, mm-hmm.
There again.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, in the tough days, whatkeeps you grounded, Mrs.
Perry?
What keeps you motivated on thetough, tough days?
(27:43):
I dunno if my husband wouldconsider me grounded ever.
Um, but let's say I am for thesake of this question.
I think it's really two things.
One, that I get to spend thetime with my kids and the fact
that now I've realized that Ihonestly, I never really wanna
work for anyone but myselfagain.
Yeah.
Um, those two things keep megoing.
You know, it's like once you geta taste of what it's like to be
(28:06):
able to make all of thedecisions for yourself.
It, it's hard to go back.
but of course, I, I just have totrust the process and know that
one day what we're trying tobuild will come.
but that definitely keeps megrounded, that I want, that I
have goals in mind of what Iwant life to look like for the
next few years.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Same with me and the podcast.
(28:27):
Like, we're not making moneyyet.
We hope to in the future.
Yeah.
But I feel like I have to remindmyself of the same thing where
like, if I was able to do thisas a full-time job, I'm like.
That would be amazing.
I wouldn't have to like, go onsomeone else's schedule, listen
to boss, like, oh my gosh.
So it's keeping me focused onbuild the podcast and then on
the tough days where I'm like,is this even gonna go anywhere?
(28:49):
I just have to remind myself totrust the process similar to you
and know that it, if it doeswork out, then I'm gonna be
like, so, so happy that I stuckit out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, let's just cut to thechase.
If.
If things don't work out,business-wise between any of us,
the biggest job you have israising those two little humans.
(29:12):
It's right, and it will be themost rewarding.
You may not see it today or evenin five years, but I, I know
you'll see it.
You're amazing person.
I mean, but yeah.
Yeah, just, just those littlethings that you get to
celebrate.
And if I had one piece ofadvice, I would say, not that
(29:33):
you need it, but I would say.
Capitalize on those little winsthat you have with those little
humans because there'll be a daythat you need to draw from that.
And so I would say write itdown, keep, keep some kind of
record of it and, and then whenit's really crappy, you can go
(29:55):
back and say, you know, no onecan pay me enough to do that.
A hundred percent.
So what you're doing is amazingand don't let anybody ever
question that.
Mm-hmm.
Oh, that's got me crying in theclub.
Oh, me too, girl.
(30:16):
This is not the first time.
There's been tears on thispodcast.
It's okay.
You guys just bring it out.
Well, we were, that reminds meour imposter syndrome episode we
were talking about.
Like tracking your wins andmaking like a wind jar.
So like, like Ronnie was saying,with your kids, and I think also
with your business and stufftoo, like I wanna start doing
that with the podcast as well tohelp me keep my motivation and
(30:41):
keep myself grounded on thetough days.
Yeah.
So there's something to it, forsure.
Yeah.
I'll, all right, so lastquestion before we get to our
closing.
What advice would you give tosomeone who's maybe stuck in a
job or a lifestyle or a careerthat doesn't fulfill them, but
they're scared to walk away?
I would tell them life is tooshort to spend it doing
(31:01):
something that doesn't fulfillyou.
however.
I would also tell them that thatfear is valid, like we talked
about earlier with theseInstagram entrepreneurs, like
it's easy.
You just do it.
Like you just quit your job.
You just, um, like it's notreal.
So what you're feeling is valid.
It is real.
So I would tell someone in thatposition, like really sit down
(31:22):
and think like, what could youdo now that would put you in a
position to feel comfortablewalking away?
For me and my husband, it wascreating a, a sound product and
getting our savings account in areally healthy place where we
felt comfortable.
if, if you're feelingunfulfilled, that doesn't mean
like you call your boss todayand tell him, mc cross, you're
(31:42):
out of here.
Like, take the time now whileyou're still working that job.
Yes.
To build something, even if youcan just spend like a few hours
here and there, you can setyourself up while you're still
working this job to make thatleap and have it not be as scary
if you take your time.
With it, like it, it will beworth it.
I'm not saying it's easy to getoff your full-time job and then
(32:04):
do all the otherresponsibilities you have, and
then take an hour before bed tolike work on building a
business.
but what I can say is that itwill be worth it when what
you're building allows you towalk away from something that's
no longer serving you.
Oh, it's worth the extra time.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's great advice.
And I think he really went aboutit in a smart way, like taking
the time to make sure you're ina place to do it.
(32:27):
And also just in terms of likethe product you're selling, you
found a gap in the market fromwhat your husband was griping
about all the men's T-shirts andWest and probably had some of
the same gripes because he islike a literal brick door, and
so you can never find anythingthat fits.
So you found a gap in the marketand you built it up and you gave
yourself the time to be in aplace to do it.
(32:48):
So.
Yeah.
Kudos man.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Carissa, we wanna make sure thatwe get everything where people
can like, come straight to thepodcast and get a link.
To purchasing that.
And I saw that you have a littlediscount code already.
Yes.
(33:08):
I know that Jim would love him'cause he's very long wasted.
So he needs a large through theshoulders now, but he needs an
extra large through the lengthand that is a problem.
I am definitely ordering some,like as soon as I get off this
podcast, I'm gonna tell you thatright now.
(33:28):
Yeah, like Ronnie said, we wannathank you for being on the
podcast.
I know like we're pretty smallright now because we just
started, but I'm hoping we'regonna grow and then hopefully
people will listen to thisepisode and you'll be able to
get your product out there, evenif it's just a few people.
But yeah, we'll definitely makea reel.
Um, when this episode releases,I'll make sure to put the Amazon
link in the show notes mm-hmm.
And stuff like that.
And the code.
(33:49):
But we'll try and give you asmuch publicity as we can.
Of course.
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
I mean, it's just so cool.
Alright, we're gonna do ourclosing real quick.
So you said you've listened tothe episodes, so you're familiar
with the what she said segment?
Yes.
Nice.
Okay.
Well, for what she said, you'regonna be the she.
And our question for you is, isthere a motto, a quote, a
(34:12):
mindset, anything that you liveby that you wanna share with the
listeners?
Yes.
And this one is not always easyto live by, but this has been at
least over the last few yearssince my kids have been born.
Um, a quote that I like to keepfront and center in my mind.
I'm know if so try about to overcenter.
Um, but the quote is sometimeslater becomes, never do it now.
(34:33):
Ooh.
And I think that's cute.
That is a good one.
Yeah.
I love it.
Like I'm the queen of pushingoff bigger and better things to
stay in my comfortable littlebubble.
Mm-hmm.
But sometimes you do that for solong, you never make it happen.
And like for me in particular,this kids home because my kids
aren't getting any younger, likeno one day they're gonna be in
school, they're gonna be awayfrom me all day.
I can always go back and workfor corporate America again.
(34:55):
but I can't over this time backwith them.
So that's what really likeexpedited the clock for us when
it came to making this decision,because later is gonna become
never.
The kids will be in school.
They won't be little.
Um, right.
Do it now.
I love that.
Nice.
Yeah, that's great advice forsure.
That's huge.
We've been reading the Let ThemBook by Mel Robbins.
(35:15):
I don't know if you've heardabout it.
I struggle with the same thingwhere I like put stuff off and I
procrastinate and in beginningof the book, she talks about
like the 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 method.
Where if you need to getyourself to do something,
instead of procrastinating itand doing it, never or later,
you just go 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 inyour brain and then you do it
right away.
Oh yeah.
I need to write.
I've, I've been using it for acouple days and I'm like, okay.
(35:37):
Wow.
This is great.
It is great because she says ittakes about five seconds for
your brain to talk you out.
Of what you need to, whatever's,um, overwhelming you emotionally
or whatever, it takes about fiveseconds for your brain to talk
you out of what, of doing that.
And so she just mm-hmm.
(35:58):
Thought about like space shuttleand said, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, blast
off.
And it's, it's pretty cool.
We, we have really enjoyedreading her.
Oh my gosh.
It's probably the best self-helpbook I have ever read, so, oh,
it's highly recommend.
We're actually gonna do anepisode on it pretty soon here.
(36:19):
Audio book listeners, PaigeTurners, like, how do we read
this book?
What do you do?
Um.
I, I know there's an audio bookfor sure.
I'm a, I'm a read it by the bookkind of girl, but it's, it's
just so good because I had toldCana and when we were, we
initially started reading itwas, you see a lot of the memes
(36:40):
and the different things orreels that they're doing with
the Let them theory, you know,they're like, mm-hmm If
somebody, da da da da, let themda, da da.
Well, in the book you figure outthat let them is only half of
the equation.
You let them in order to letyourself do this, so mm-hmm.
(37:03):
She's kinda like 50% of it, and,and it makes, and I hate that
for her.
'cause I feel like a lot ofjust, let's just say
evangelicals or whatever aregonna say, oh, well you're
supposed to love your neighboras yourself, blah, blah, blah,
all that.
I'm not saying that that's notsignificant, but I feel like.
This second part of let them isso crucial.
(37:26):
It's like somebody wants totreat you terribly.
Okay, let them do that, but thenlet me initiate some boundaries
come up with mm-hmm.
You know, like it's, it's yourresponsibility.
Like one thing she said is youcan't just say let them to
everybody because you'll belonely.
(37:46):
You will cut everybody outtayour life.
And so what she was saying was.
Okay, I'm gonna let them do thisbecause I feel left out.
But then I get to decide, oh, Ireally want to have a
relationship with this person.
How am I gonna get there if I'mleft out of the group?
Is that on me or is that onthem?
(38:08):
And most of the time it's onourselves.
Yeah.
Because we get over committed ortoo much.
So she goes into this wholething of I wasn't invited on
that trip.
Yeah.
And yes, these are my neighbors,but when I look back and see, I
have had no time for them, sowhy wouldn't they go on a trip
without me?
(38:28):
Yeah.
I've not put forth the effort,so it just puts it back on
yourself.
So I feel like it gives you alot more power.
Let them as a little bit ofpower.
But I think, let me, is like.
The secret sauce like you.
Yeah.
Otherwise, you're always gonnastill be a victim to what
somebody else thinks or saysabout you.
(38:48):
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
I think that's so powerful.
it's a self-awareness of it alltoo.
Oh, so good.
And such a easy read.
But yeah, it's been lifechanging.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Definitely read it if you're areader, but we're gonna do an
episode on it too, so we'll tryto sum it up for everybody.
Yes ma'am.
You gimme the spark notes.
I will, I will.
Oh my goodness.
Well, thank you so much forjoining us.
(39:09):
This was a really fun episode,and.
Excited to share all yourinsights and your story with our
listeners.
Yes.
So thank you so much for joiningus.
Yes, thank you so much.
Tell your mother I said helloand they need to come back.
South Carolina.
They can park their RV righthere in my yard and never
plenty.
I know, that's what I'm saying.
Park it and then come up hereand stay with me.
(39:31):
That perfect.
I love you, girl.
You're so precious.
All right.
Thank you so much.
Thank you, ladies.
Yes.
Are you familiar with how weclose our episodes?
we just do.
And that's the, that's the T.
Oh, and that's the t.
Yay.
So we just kind, so for youdon't whack your microphone.
Yes.
It's just kind of like, um, ahands up.
So basically a high five, Idon't know.
(39:53):
Two, three.
And that's the, and that's thetea.
Thank you Sweet friend.
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