Watch Your Six! How To Handle Chaos On The Road

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James Blain (00:26):
Hello everybody and welcome back to another issue
episode of the GroundTranslation Podcast.
Now I am joined by my wonderful,buff, awesome, amazing host,
Ken.
Anything financial?

Ken Lucci (00:40):
Don't have those PECS anymore

no.
You need the P man.
I, I know they're still there.
So

Ken Lucci (00:46):
ship has sailed

I will say I am absolutely blessed.
Ken is the financial genius thatwe have on the show.
I get to be the safety side ofthe show, and I gotta tell you
guys, I just, I have the time ofmy life every Friday, but today
we have a very special guestwith us, Ken.
We have the man behind thescenes that makes us look good.
that brings you the episodesthat makes all of it happen, so

(01:11):
that we can just show up, talkfor an hour, have fun, and then
make everything and look goodand look good, and then it all
becomes this poor man's problem.
Ladies and gentlemen, I'd liketo introduce to you, John, you
doing buddy?

John Tyreman (01:25):
James, thank you so much for that introduction
and um, yeah, this has been afun ride on the Ground
Transportation podcast.
I know all of the Easter eggsand where all the bodies are
buried, so

Ken Lucci (01:36):
Listen and, and listen.
I mean, you're telling me we'reup to almost 80,000 YouTube
shorts.
That's fantastic.
And I think this is gonna be agreat episode for that'cause
we've got a bunch of video.

so John, I thought it'd be great if today you got
to introduce the episode.
Obviously we do that everyepisode.
Um, by the way, ladies andgentlemen, this is a surprise.
I'm just kind of tossing this onJohn, but producing podcasts for
a living.
I know he is gonna knock outtathe park.
John, what are you gonna have usdoing today?

Yeah.
So this is gonna be, um, thespirit of this episode is chaos
and responding to chaos and howyou deal with chaos.
Ken, you've talked a few timesrecently on some of your
presentations in earlierepisodes about the chaos factor,
specifically coming out ofWashington dc but we don't need
to get into that on thisepisode.

(02:26):
but chaos doesn't just happen ingovernment.
Chaos happens every day out onthe streets.
And, um, I think there was anepisode earlier where, you guys
were talking about proactivityand how proactivity can help you
handle scenarios.
So what we're gonna be doingtoday, gentlemen, is I have

(02:46):
curated a half a dozen, maybe alittle bit more videos that I
would love to get your reactionto.
Then if you want to talk about,maybe James, how this may have
been prevented from like atraining perspective, or Ken,
what are the financialimplications of this, or how
could you have been proactive tokind of maybe foreseen or

(03:09):
factored in that chaos factor?

so train with Pax and have your financials ready.
We're gonna start that there.
I'm pretty sure anything you canshow us would benefit from that.

Ken Lucci (03:19):
Absolutely.
You know, the other thing I'lltell you, and this is a, a
saying coming up in a campaignthat we have, have coming out is
buyers don't buy chaos.
They don't buy your chaos.
They don't want your chaos.
All right, let's this, thissounds good.
By the way, this reallydovetails into the fact that
I've become obsessed online withwatching police chases.

Oh,

geez.
Oh geez.

Ken Lucci (03:42):
yeah.
That pit maneuver gets you everytime.
All right, let's go.

let's go.
Let's see what we got, John.

so there's a few of these videos that, um,
courtesy of Revit up.
Uh, I believe this is a dashcam.
and, uh, this is from acompilation of near misses and
bad drivers.
And this is something thathappens all the time.
Everyone's experienced it.
Anyone who's ever driven hasexperienced it.
When an ambulance comes throughan intersection, you have a

(04:11):
green light, but you have anobligation to stop and let that
ambulance come through.
So I wanna play this clip and Iwanna get both of yours reaction
to what happens.

All right, let's go.

Ken Lucci (04:23):
Okay.

Whoa.

Ken Lucci (04:29):
What?

So, all right, so, so for everybody, so, so let's,
let's try and bring that back.
So, so for our listeners who arenot watching this, right, so
we've got a dash cam we'recoming up on, you know, to a
green light.
You've got an ambulance comingin from the right.
it looks like the car with thedash cams in the left.
I totally thought this was gonnabe the near miss.
And then you see a minivan blastthrough the intersection and I

(04:55):
think we just got rear endedwith the car we're in, right?

And then here's the cabin cam, and for those
that are watching on YouTube,you'll be, be able to see this.
So there's the ambulance stop

Yeah.
So you got, you got like this,this is beyond chaotic.
Okay.
So, so we've got, we're in theleft lane in the vehicle that
our camera's in.
He stops at the green light.
clearly, and, and what'sinteresting is he's in a really
tough spot because in the rightlane I see that minivan that
shot by.
So if he would've, I mean,either way, if he would've tried

(05:29):
to get over to the right, thatminivan's probably gonna hit him
and then behind him.
Now the other thing, John, howfar back does this go?
Can you pull us back to likewhere this clip truly starts?
So, so let me start by sayingthis is a stale green light.
All right?
So we're, yeah.
So we're already, and I'm inlike full trainer mode here.
So, so we'll give you play byplay.

(05:51):
So this already to me, as athree lanes stale green light
for me, I'm foot over the brake.
Now the other thing is, and Italk about this all the time,
when You are covering the brake,when you know you're gonna have
to stop when you've got anythingthere, I am always looking at
the rear view mirror.
Now in this scenario.

(06:11):
It, it really looks like therewasn't,

You can't tell.

no.
Well, well, but there's a couplethings that don't make sense.
We're in, it's a three laneintersection and we're in the
far left lane, but we're notgoing to a turning lane, right?
So we're in the quick lane, andI don't have any kind of context
or anything for that.
We saw that, you know, we havethe ambulance coming in, and
then you've got someone thatclearly, by the way, distracted

(06:36):
driving.
Number one problem in America,number one problem in the world.
When we get to that light, whatI thought was gonna happen is I
thought the ambulance was gonnahit that minivan that ran
through the fact that you've gotsomeone coming, literally just
driving right through theintersection, almost getting
T-boned by that ambulance.

(06:57):
The one thing I will say is hatsoff to the ambulance driver,
right?
Like, I know we're worried aboutour car, but that ambulance
driver, instead of just blastingthrough and assuming the
intersection was clear, he musthave been proactively looking
ahead.
'cause you see him slow downwhen he gets to the intersection
before he goes through it.
So I, I think this is about aschaotic as it gets.

(07:19):
I mean, there's a lot of thingsthat could have been done
better, but I think definitelylooking behind us because the
one thing I saw is this guy hadopen lanes on either side.
He wasn't ideally set up, but ifhe would've hit either one of
those lanes and just gone leftor right, that other person
would've gone to theintersection.
They might've collided with theambulance, but that means him

(07:39):
and his passengers wouldn't havebeen in the accident.

Ken Lucci (07:41):
Okay, well that tells me two things.
Well, let's just back up onestep.
As a private driver with no onein the car, a private individual
may say, I'm going to speed upto try to make that green light,
which puts you right in the pathof the

yeah.

Yeah,

Ken Lucci (07:58):
Okay, so as a professional driver, whether
it's a coach or you are achauffeur in an SUV, situational
awareness tells You always knowwhat's at your 12 year, six,
you're, uh, I'm sorry, your 12year, three, six and your nine.
But if you are coming, comingtowards an intersection, don't

(08:22):
speed up to hit that greenlight.

No, no.
You wanna do the opposite.
You want to cover the break,right?
Because there's, it's way morelikely that that light is gonna
turn yellow to red.

Stale green light.

Yep.
And the other thing, Ken, you'renailing something really
important here because you talkabout, you know, nobody in the
car.
You gotta practice like youplay.
So it, this is wild.
Like, I, I couldn't believethis, but, uh, I was actually
learning about what happenedwith police.
And when police would train totake a gun from an assailant,
like they'd, they'd have someonehold a pistol aimed at them, and

(08:56):
then they would train to grabthe pistol from'em, and then
they would immediately hand itback to the person they were
training with.
That actually stopped Because apolice officer disarmed an
assailant pointing a gun at himand then handed back the gun

Ken Lucci (09:11):
Because that's where the

that's what he trained to do.
It just, it was instinct.

Ken Lucci (09:16):
look, their muscle memory.
You know, back in the day when Iwon the Dancing with the Stars
con contest, let's not go downthat road.
It was

Pull the video.

Ken Lucci (09:26):
mu it was pulled a video.
It was all about muscle memory.
It's online, by the way.
She was gorgeous.
Oh my God.
Anyway, but it, it, it, thatactually taught me about muscle
memory because I don't know ifyou realize this, I'm not one
hell of an athlete and I don'treally have athletics in my

Oh, come on, PEX,

Ken Lucci (09:44):
I know.
Really.
I know, I know.
But, but, but muscle memory isincredibly powerful and it
either works for you or againstyou.
To your point, people say allthe time, what do you, well, I,
you know, I haven't been in anaccident in a long time.
I'm a really good driver

Yeah.

Ken Lucci (10:03):
a terrible driver, and I have, I have not been in
an accident a long time, but inthis case, my inclination as a
private driver with no patienceis to try to speed up and get
through

Try to make the light.

Ken Lucci (10:16):
What's the right thing to do in that case, and
how can you try and prevent therear end being rear-ended?

So, so a couple things, right?
And this, look, I, I'm in NewYork once a quarter, if not
more.
And I gotta tell you, anytimeI'm on the break, it doesn't
matter if I'm in New York and Ibring up New York,'cause the
traffic, there's really badlook, the first thing I'm doing
is when I'm slowing down, I'mlooking in the rear view because
I cannot tell you how many timespeople are on their phone,
they're not paying attention,they're distracted.

(11:28):
But the other piece of this iswe have this concept called a
point of no return.
And so at a certain point, andthis is important here because
John, you've got the video teedup for us.
Um, I don't know if we can slowthe speed down, um, but as you
are coming up to thisintersection, a couple things
can happen.

(11:48):
One, that light might turnyellow, the point of no return
basically says if that lightturns yellow, I've lost the
ability to stop safely and Ihave to go through now.
Being that we train in thepassenger industry, right?
I've got beyond my safetyconcern.
I have the extra space that I'mleaving for Pastor Comfort

(12:10):
because just because there'schaos around me, it's my job to
create peace of mind and have abubble of safety and calm for
that Pastor.
I don't care if you're on a bus,I don't care if you're an EMT, I
don't care if you're achauffeur, whatever.
So at a certain point, right?
And the smaller the vehicle, thecloser it's gonna be.
You've gotta decide when you'regoing through.

(12:32):
Now, even at this point, ifwe're actively listening, we're
actively looking.
You can already see he's gotplenty of room to safely and
calmly stop.
Um, it's hard to tell from adash cam footage.
It looks like he does that.
This.

Yeah.

My opinion is multiple distracted drivers.
You have the one that shootsthrough and almost causes a
T-bone directly in front of theambulance and the one directly
behind him that just runs intohim.
And so I think what happenedhere.
And we talk about 360 degreedriving.
You know, you called it, youknow, watching the clock, right?

Ken Lucci (13:09):
Situational situational awareness

awareness.
This guy forgot his six, right?
And I, and I say it like that'cause my dad was a pilot and
they always.
say, watch your six.
Right?
So he, he lost the back.
And so by not by he, he had thecitral weightness upfront.
You have a, a really, adistraction upfront for him of,

(13:31):
he's probably focused on theambulance.
He forgot that he had the personbehind him.
And this happens the other wayaround too.
When you're pulling over to theside of the road, when you're
trying to get off the side ofthe road, you've, you've gotta
be careful because, I hate tosay it, it's the same reason we
tell people to be careful whenyou slam on the horn.
'cause you might have someonecoming over to the lane into

(13:51):
you, right?
They're getting right to crossinto you and you slam on the
horn trying to get them to payattention.
And the dingling freaks out andslams into you.
Instead of

they overcorrect in the other way and go off into
a ditch.

Oh Yeah.
No, uh, please tell me you havea video of that.
Right,

Well, I've

because that one

more, plenty more.

Ken Lucci (14:10):
a couple things.
If, if, again, don't change yourdriving habits from when no
one's in the car to.

Practice like you play.
Yep.

Ken Lucci (14:20):
Right.

like you

Ken Lucci (14:21):
like you play, you, you lose points as a
professional driver for makingyour passenger lurch forward for
running a yellow light.
They will use that against you.
They will say, this guy made mefeel unsafe.
Okay.

And they might not even notice it, Ken, right?
Like everybody knows how todrive a car.
They might, they might've justsaid, man, I just wasn't
comfortable.
They might not be able toidentify it was the dumb driving
stuff you were doing becausethey're just sub subconsciously
feeling it, noticing it.

Ken Lucci (14:54):
Do you believe in the premise that you should, you
should treat every passengerlike they're the driving
instructor critiquing you.

No, I, I don't think that's the right way to
approach.
Here's, here's

one of the guests said, drive, like there's
champagne in the car.
And that always stuck to

Ken Lucci (15:08):
Oh, I, love that.
Like they were champagneglasses, like a tower

A tiered champagne

all right, so, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna show my age
because the current generationcouldn't handle this when I.
was learning how to drive,right?
I was 16 years old.
I'm learning on like a BuickLeSabre.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The sixties.

Ken Lucci (15:25):
gonna, I was gonna say Chevy,

I, I age, I was about to say I age really well
when I learned to drive my firstmodel T.
Um, so, so what I was told wasyou have to, and this was one of
my first driving lessons, therewas two rules.
One, right?
And, and by the way, dad hadbeen stationed in Germany, so
he'd driven on the auto bondgrowing up.
When he was stationed there, hesaid, look, there's a rule.

(15:49):
the, faster you drive, thesmoother you have to be.
You can drive as fast as youwant, as long as you're smooth.
And he said, two, when you'relearning how to drive smoothly,
I want you to pretend that youand I kid you not.
I had, he had no idea I wasgonna be in the business.
Maybe this is why I ended up inthe show for side first, but he
said, look, I want you topretend you've been hired by
Hugh Hefner.
Him and the girls are all inthe, back drinking champagne.

(16:12):
If they don't spill a singledrop, when they get back to Hugh
Hefner's mansion, you get to goinside of the party.
If they spill a single drop, youdon't

Ken Lucci (16:20):
yeah, for the youngsters in the audience that
have no idea who Hugh Hefner is,he was the king of the world,
but he was the king of the worldback in the day.
He was the founder of Playboyand lived like a sultan.
All right, let's go next video.
Tee it up.

All right.
This, this one's gonna be a funone or maybe not.
Um, uh, not

see train tracks, so it's already gonna be brutal.

all railroad crossings are equal, and the
contour of the road to thetracks is very important,
especially regarding the size ofyour vehicle and the length of
your vehicle.

we are talking about railroad crossing grade
by, by that

Ken Lucci (17:00):
Dude, I, and I don't even, like, I'm looking at the,
the title of this amazing Limoversus Train Crash, Elkhart
County that hits a little bittoo close to home.

and I, I don't even know what's going on yet, right?
But for those that are watchingat home, we've got train tracks.
I can see, I can't see any roadyet.
I see what appears to be alittle dude flailing his arms.
Now the irony is on the otherside of the screen, you've got
like your two flashing lightsand pole, and I can see the
blue, by the way, who, if youdon't know this, make sure you

(17:30):
learn this.
There's a little blue sign onevery single railway crossing
called an ENS.
It's an emergency notificationsystem sign.
And this guy looks like he'sfilling his arms.
And the irony is, I could seethe ENS sign where he could have
called the train's dispatcherand had him hit the brakes three
miles ago.
But, but, we'll, we'll, we'llsee how that foreshadowing plays
into what I don't know is aboutto happen.

(17:52):
Let's go.

So you're telling me that this may have been
prevented?
Okay.

yeah, no, that's, that's most of these

Ken Lucci (17:57):
By the way, you guys are convincing me that we should
be doing like a real video showall of the time, but that's
okay.
We're doing a good jobNarrating.

if you're listening to this on, on Apple
or Spotify, definitely check outthe YouTube version.
All right, here we go.
Here comes,

the paint

Screenshare (18:13):
not gonna stop.
It's not gonna stop.

Oh.
what do It can't stop.
It's a mile long.
Oh.
300 go

Ken Lucci (18:23):
Oh, for those of you at home, it was a Chrysler 300
straddling the railroadcrossing, um, as if it was
going, whether it stalled orsomething.
And the Chrysler 300 looks likea 10 pack, literally is being
dragged now.

It's about A mile down.

about a mile down.

Yeah.
Look, I'm counting train carsand the guy is just like, he's
running down the road with thecamera trying to get it right.
And this is recent, well, I sayrecent, it's 10 years ago.

Ken Lucci (18:53):
Okay, so let me ask you a stupid question.
If you do stall out in an unsafearea, what are you supposed to
do?

Okay, so,

Ken Lucci (19:03):
years since I,

so, so a couple things.
I.
I think, and, and by the way, wedid not, like John is surprising
us.
We haven't seen these.
I just, anytime I can see a blueENS sign and there's a train and
it's gonna be an accident, Ijust think to myself, dear God,
there

you picked that up 'cause I had no idea.

yeah.
So there's a law in the United

Ken Lucci (19:22):
Do you know why, John?
Because you,'cause you're not a

cause you're not a safety guy.
Like, look, I'm the safety guyfor a living.
I gotta, I gotta earn somehow.
So, no, well, but we train onthis so, All railroad crossings
are gonna have a couple things.
One, there's going to be, ifthere's more than one track, you
will see a designation of anumber because there's another
video that, um, it's, it'spretty old now, but a train is

(19:44):
going by and the train, likeright as the, the caboose of the
train comes by, two cops try togo around the back of it, and a
train comes the other way andhits'em, right?
Because it was a dual railroadcrossing and there was a train
coming the other way.
And because of the timing, so,railroad tracks are required by
federal law, right?
Uh, you, you start getting intothe, the railroad
administration, all that.

(20:05):
But they're required by federallaw to denote how many train
tracks there are.
And by law, every single one isgonna have a blue and white
sign.
And we call that an ENS signemergency notification system.
There is a phone number andthere is an identifier, just
like a license plate on everysingle railroad crossing the
United States.

(20:25):
The problem with these guys ishe's not gonna stop, bro.
That's like saying like theplane didn't hit the runway and
stop within two inches.
Like the same thing with atrain.
This thing's a mile long.

This is the blue sign you're talking about right
here.

Yeah.
so you can see, the ENS here,that they should have

Ken Lucci (20:41):
the first thing is, I, I, I, this is all in all
seriousness.
If you, God forbid, get stalledout on a railroad crossing, you
look for the blue sign,

call asap.

Ken Lucci (20:53):
is, which is on the pole where the flashing lights
are, and call even before youknow, on both sides, even before
you know whether a train iscoming or not.
You make the phone call as ifone is coming.

Correct.
So, so, and, and you know, stepone, evacuate.
So if, if it's stalled on thetrack, stuck on the track, even
step one, evacuate the peoplebecause like this train man, you
get a train rolling down thetrack like that, they don't
always have to hit the horn.
You're not always gonna hear'emcoming.
Step one, evacuate the vehicle.
Step two, immediately.

(21:25):
Call that number because here'sthe thing, they, you're gonna
call the number and you're gonnasay, Hey, you know, there's a
stalled vehicle, or there's adown tree, or there's a down
power line, or there's some kindof unsafe situation, right?
I am at Railroad Crossing.
And you're gonna give them thatidentifier.
That's basically like if youcalled someone and said, Hey.
I'm on the corner of these twocross streets and I need police

(21:48):
here.
Immediately what they're gonnado is you're calling, just like
we have dispatchers, they havetheir dispatchers, they're gonna
call and they're gonna get ahold of every single train
heading that way.
And they're gonna say, Hey, thistrack is shut down.
That train can now immediatelystart slowing down.
A train can be a mile long, butit can take up to a full mile to

(22:09):
come to a complete stop.
And you cannot win.
Like you're nothing like rock,paper, scissors, thi this is
like the ultimate rock paper,scissors train, right?
Like I got the train, I win, youlose, there's no winning
anything they hit, they're goingthrough.
So that would've been avoidedjust by calling it in.

(22:29):
And the other thing is, look, ifyou think there's any reason to
believe you'll be high centered.
A lot of times they'll havesigns warning you.
But if you're, if you have

Ken Lucci (22:39):
What's that mean?
High

High centered?
is exactly what happened.
So he went up that hill and it'sa longer vehicle, and when he
gets to the top of the hill, thefront wheels dropped down.
And it's kinda like, imaginethat you've got the seesaw on
the playground and your car or,or your truck or your bus or
whatever becomes the seesaw.
The wheels are up off the ground

Ken Lucci (23:00):
It bottomed.
It

to get up.
They bottomed out is anothergreat way to say that.
If you have any reason at all tobelieve you're gonna bottom out,
don't cross those tracks.

Ken Lucci (23:10):
Yeah.
And, and you know what, when youthink about the days of the
stretches, they're not the onlyones that could bottom out, but
that's the closest one.

Well, and, and we see it.
We see it with Motor coaches yousee it with semi-truck.
The other thing, and this isabsurdly important,

Ken Lucci (23:27):
Oh yeah.
Motor coaches, no question.

yeah, So there's a couple things I wanna say here.
Just'cause everybody needs toknow it.
If you're, if you're PACStrained, you got this.
If you're not, free information.
This is something everybodyneeds to know.
Two things.
One, you should never be stoppedon the tracks.
If you are at a, if your entirevehicle does not fit on the
other side, don't go, like,don't try to cross, don't try to

(23:50):
go over.
You never are stopped on thetracks, especially if you're at
a place with the light.
The other thing is people thinkif the gates come down, they're
trapped.
Those gates are, are, they're, Idon't know if they're fiberglass
or what they are, but what I doknow for sure is they're
designed to be knocked over.

(25:11):
So if you're stuck on the tracksand the gate, like let's say
you, you screwed up, you stoppedon the tracks, the gates closed,
buddy.
Throw it into drive and breakthe gate because they're
designed to break away so thatyou can get back off the track.

It's easier to replace a broken gate than it is
to

Screw the gate, right?
Like,

Ken Lucci (25:30):
Screw the gate.
Damage the car.

Damage the car, get the hell off the track.
And here's the thing, like I'veseen so many videos that people
have sent me where they're like,the gate closed on'em.
I'm like, buddy, it ain't jail.
Right?
This, this is, this is not likethe stuff they got at the White
House where the thing comes upand there's spikes.
It's designed to be broken soyou can get off of it.

Ken Lucci (25:50):
You know, the, the other piece of the puzzle I want
you to comment before we getinto this video, but what
happens if your vehicle isbroken down and you've not
managed to be able to put it onthe side of the road in a safe
place?
I mean, that's gotta be nervewracking.

So, so you're just saying like, you know, I'm
driving down the road and all ofa sudden the vehicle just dies
and breaks down.

Ken Lucci (26:13):
Yeah.

So that gets really tough because it's really
situational.
Now I'm gonna, answer that onewith another story.
So, there's a, there's a guywho, his vehicle breaks down and
he decides he's gonna get outand push.
He's got his wife in thepassenger seat.
He's got his two kids in theback.
this is, is something reallyimportant because it illustrates

(26:34):
a lot of different bad thingsthat all came together.
You've got a motor coach driverwho is hands free, right?
They're not holding their phoneup.
They're hands free on the phone,if I remember correctly.
and they're talking about likewhat they're gonna do when they
get off work.
Now, big props to the company.
They had a no phone zone policy,right?
Like that, drivers break therules.
She shouldn't have been on thephone.
she's distracted.

(26:56):
Cognitive distraction, right?
Hands are on the wheel, butmentally she's distracted
thinking about what she's gonnado when she gets off work.
she's heading towards an offramp.
It's dark.
She doesn't see the guy.
She crashes into the back ofthat suburban kills that father.
His kids are in the car, hiswife's in the car.
there's a photo of a shoe thatgets shot up onto the top of the

(27:16):
bus.
It rolls down the roof of thebus and there's a picture of it
sitting on the back of the busthat lives in my head personally
as one of the warnings of, just'cause it's legal doesn't mean
it's okay.
so I bring that up because ifyou decide I'm gonna get out and
push one, distract a driver, isanything going on there?
Two, you've got the fact thatjust a simple distraction is

(27:38):
enough to do it.
So in that situation, a lot ofit is going to depend on what
you can safely do in thesituation.
if I've got passengers in thevehicle.
so one hazards, right?
Let people know.
depending on if it's safe andyou have triangles, you should
be putting out triangles, right?
And, and a lot of this is toughbecause you've gotta figure out

(28:01):
when it's safe enough to try anddo this.
like I said, very first thing,hit the hazards, right?
No brainer.
But then I'm, concerned abouthow do I safely get that
passenger off that roadway.
depending on the situation,there's no single right answer
other than to, you've got to tryand let other drivers know.

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If you've got triangles, yougotta put'em out.
And then you've gotta determinewhat is the safest place for
passengers or whatnot.
If you think a car is breakingdown, if it's acting funny, if
it's, buckling or you're like,man, this, this thing's not
gonna make it.
A lot of times it's safer topull it over to the side of the
road and call it in then to letit break down there.

Ken Lucci (28:43):
Let's get back to situational awareness.
If a, if an idiot light comes onthe dashboard, your first
inclination should be to migrateto the right hand side.
Okay?
Thinking of the

Get to a safe place

Ken Lucci (28:57):
get to a safe place.
hundred percent.
A hundred percent.

and let other people know what you're doing.
Right.
The one of the other thingsthat, that we teach, um,
especially for motor coastdrivers, is let's say I'm in the
center lane and like this car islike sputtering.
I'm like, oh crap, I gotta getover.
If I hit the hazards right thenand there, I just disabled my
turn signals.
So you have no idea what I'mdoing.
So it makes a lot more sense.

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If I'm in that center lane andI've gotta cross that right lane
to get to the shoulder orwherever I need to go, I'm going
to use my turn signals.
And until I'm at the point whereI need to let other drivers
know, Hey, I'm disabled, I'mover here.
Then I can hit the hazards.
But if I hit the hazards in thatcenter lane and now I'm trying
to get over my turn signalsdon't work anymore, you don't
know what I'm doing.
So there's a lot of things thatyou don't necessarily think and,

(29:45):
and this is practice like youplay, you've gotta kind of think
ahead as much as you can.

Ken Lucci (29:50):
Absolutely.
And try not to.
Right?
And, and, when I went to theFederal Law Enforcement
Institute thinking someday Igrow, and become taller, so I
could

you'd look so good with a mustache.

Ken Lucci (30:02):
I know.
and one of the things that theytrained us was don't get hemmed
in.
Meaning, leave yourself plentyof space around so that, again,
situational awareness.
Don't get trapped.
If I'm a motor coach driver,even if it's bumper to bumper,
I'm gonna try to leave myselfplenty of space, any driver,

(30:23):
leave myself plenty of space tobe able to maneuver.
The, the other thing I, think isdifficult to understand is the
degree of responsibility we haveas a driver of other human
beings

Oh, you're taking people's lives in your hands.

Ken Lucci (30:39):
We are.
and when I hear people say,well, we, we, you know, we can't
compete with Uber.
Yeah, you can.
And there's a hundred ways toDifferentiate your company from
Uber.
And the number one way issafety.
So I need to tee up this photobecause John and I were on a
pre.
pre-call yesterday and we talkedabout this, episode, and I need

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to shout out to, Barry Trab fromComplete Fleet

Barry.

Ken Lucci (31:04):
Barry, first of all, does a great job, right?
Very so responsive.
I don't know why anybody wouldbuy from a consumer car dealer,
a commercial vehicle.
This guy just goes

desperation is

Ken Lucci (31:17):
right, right.
Oh, I can save money.
Bullshit.
You can't save money.
Barry's Barry's deals areunreal.
But this is an S 90 Volvo and Iam a huge fan of the Volvo, and
this is, a post he made onComplete Fleet live sales.
September 23rd, 10:00 AM the S90 saves my clients' lives.

(31:39):
Talk about a scary situation.
Recently, one of our valuedclients experienced a terrified
incident on the New JerseyTurnpike.
Go figure at

Uh,

Ken Lucci (31:48):
AM.
Volvo S 90 sedan was rear endedby a drunk driver going over 100
miles per hour.
While the clients missed theirflight to Aruba, both passengers
in the chauffeur walked awaytotally unharmed.

(32:08):
From a hundred mile an hour rearend clients shared The car saved
my passengers and thechauffeur's life.
The car withstood the impact,which is exactly what it was
designed to do.
Therefore, we are proud to standbehind the Volvo.
S 90 once again proved what it'sbuilt for.
The world's safest cars lookedat the damaged photo.

(32:29):
I am shocked anybody survived.

Well, and, and so it's really hard'cause I don't
have any other photos, but itlooks like to a certain extent
this driver might have been ableto somewhat get outta the way.
And I will also preface thiswith,

Ken Lucci (32:45):
Uh, to your point, to your point, explain it because
you've got.

All the windows are blown out.

Ken Lucci (32:50):
Right.
Significant damage on the, onthe left hand side or the
driver's side.

yeah, it's the rear driver's side.
The bumper's hit there.

Ken Lucci (32:58):
Correct.
So this guy, this driver wastaking, it looks to me like he
was taking evasive action asbest as he

It, it looks like he was, it, it was either a
little bit of luck or gettingoutta the way.
One of the things, you know, I,I travel a lot, New Jersey, New
York, that kind of part of thecountry, there is this problem
with like, hot rod type drivers,

Ken Lucci (33:19):
Aggressive.

it's not even Aggressive.
It's like, it's like fast in thefurious level crap.
Like, It is.
yeah.
So I was, I'll give a greatexample.
I, I was driving to see aclient, just north of New York
City and there was a, probably,I wanna say it was an X three
and maybe a five series BMW thatwere.

(33:42):
Doing at least 120 weaving inand out of traffic, right.
And just blasting through.
And unfortunately, I see thatalmost every time I go to that
part of the country.

Ken Lucci (33:54):
I agree with that.
It's, it's either themotorcycles racing or it's two
idiots in what they consider tobe sports cars.
And they're racing.
They're racing in midday trafficor even

and it's, and it's, like, look, I, hopefully, I, I.
don't get pulled over andaccosted by the police out
there, but it's amazing to mebecause it, it either one of a
couple things is happening.
There's either so much of itthat they can't keep up or these
guys have figured out how togame the system and not get
caught.
Or they're just rich enough,they don't care.

(34:27):
They pay the fines.
But what, what kind of happensis, and, and we, we've talked
about this on the first one, alot of this comes down to
it's so, and look, even,especially if you're tired, if
you've been traveling, if youwork multiple jobs, any kind of,

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you know, you're tired, you'redrained.
One of the first things thattends to go for us is the
and, and there's really aspectrum because you have, I'm
at top peak performance, I'vegot enough sleep, I'm exactly
where I need to be.
That's when it's hardest forstuff like this to sneak up on
us.
As that spectrum starts shiftingtowards, I'm not at my peak now,

(35:11):
you stop scanning as much,you're not as aware of what's
going around you as much.
it's easier to sneak up onsomeone when they're tired if
that ever switches to, and thishas nothing to do with this
driver other than the drunk guy,right?
But as you start switching tofatigue, fatigue is now where
you're in your drowsy driving,you're in kind of your red zone,

(35:31):
you're, you start to have microsleeps, you start to fall asleep
at the wheel.
That's when you start gettingtunnel vision where your brain
physically takes.
Your field of vision and itbecomes kind of that tunnel.
And at that point it's not evensneak up on you, it's you could
have a car on either side andand your toast.
Now, one of the things that Ireally like, and that's really

(35:53):
good when you're doing trainingwith people to help build
And it's something that, again,I got really lucky when I was
trained how to drive, when I wastaught how to drive.
My dad was a Cobra attackhelicopter pilot, right?
I mean, you wanna talk aboutprecision.
these guys, like they have tofly next to each other.
And he grew up applying thatsame level of precision to his

(36:15):
driving, Right, And so for me,he would use tricks that he
would use to train pilots, totrain me how to drive.
And it's something that I'vebrought forward and that we've
helped integrate into packs,right.
But one of those big things forthem, situational awareness.
And so he'd ask me questionslike, Hey, is there a car on the
right?
Yes or no?
What color is it?

(36:35):
What's, what kind of car is it?
Right?
And so I have found that, whenyou start, whether you're
developing it in yourself oryou're developing it in your
trainees, when you start to askthose kinds of questions, the
first times you're asking that,that's tough, right?
Then it becomes easier.
you even see that on the, youknow, if you take the CDL exam,
they're gonna ask you, what'sthe speed limit here?

(36:57):
You know, what was on that lastsign?
Um, a lot of this is situationalawareness.
And so, especially in placeslike that where you've got
drivers coming up at really highspeed, it's hard.
To be, completely and totally,hey, you know, there's no fault.
Hey, they could have preventedit.
The best you can do is try tohave your situational awareness

(37:17):
up and to be looking as far asreasonable.
And the other thing is in thoseareas, this is why I get so
frustrated and I mentioned it onthe first one, right?
I get frustrated with peoplelingering in the far left lane.
If you're lingering in the fastlane, if you're lingering in the
middle, right?
Slower traffic keep right?
You've still gotta flow withtraffic.

(37:38):
But I don't ever want to be theguy that's in the fast lane.
'cause I think I'm trying tomaintain my bubble.
And here comes Johnny Drunkarddoing 150 mile an hour in his
new Beamer and plowing.
And there's a lot ofconsideration.
There's a lot of having to beaware.
There's a lot of alsounderstanding and knowing, I

(37:58):
know that when I'm on the Eastcoast, when I'm up in New York,
that's a problem

Ken Lucci (38:02):
Worst drivers in the world between New York and
Boston.
It's a race.
you made me think of a fewthings.
Number one, number one.
It's imperative as far as beinga professional driver, the use
of technology, one of the thingsthat distracts drivers is
constantly getting called bydispatch or text by dispatch.
Leave the chauffer alone.

(38:24):
Leave the driver alone.
Okay?
Use your technology to knowwhere that vehicle is, and it's
not the constant phone calls ortext messaging, because that is
huge.
The second thing is when we weretrained, when I was trained as
a, as as a protective driver, itwould be rotate or develop a

(38:45):
pattern of looking in your

Do you get your scanning pattern?

Ken Lucci (38:50):
your scanning pattern, left hand mirror in
front of you, your rear to theright.
I personally look at the left,look in front, look in the rear,
look in front.
Look to the right, look infront, the most vulnerable you
are is your six.
There's no question about it.
But a professional driver, oneof the things the chauffeur

(39:13):
industry has over Uber and Lyftis those Uber and Lyft drivers,
or specifically the Uber driverswill drive 1216 hours a day to
make a good living.
Okay?
And in our case, we won't allowit.
The chauffeur industry, thecommon practice is absolutely
no.
But in CDL, it's against thelaw.

10 hours.
10 hours on the pastor

Ken Lucci (39:38):
There you go.
Okay.
So what do we got here, John?

Well, you know, James, I, I gotta say I'm super
impressed.
I thought I would, I could throwyou a curve ball with one of
these, but you've been knocking'em out of the park.
All

Ken Lucci (39:50):
Listen, the man lives safety.

you, you have me.
You have me in my element.
This

Ken Lucci (39:56):
His wife refuses to drive the car if he's in the
car,

we got PEX training and PAX training here.
Let's go.
So,

Ken Lucci (40:05):
Go ahead.

all right.
So, um, let's see if we can, uh,throw you off with this one,
James.
all right.
So in the spirit of completechaos, I'm not going to give you
Any idea of what's coming.

All right?
So, hold on.
so let, let's tee it up for theviewers.
So we're on a highway at night.
There's, we're, yeah, we appearto be in the center lane,

Ken Lucci (40:29):
30 yards from the company car in front of

Yep.
30 yards.
There's no car directly in thelane in front of us, but 30
yards forward, like Ken said, inthe right lane there is what
appears to be either a coop or asedan.
and then we've got a bunch ofsigns coming up, so there must
be a bunch of exits.

Ken Lucci (40:45):
but that's the only car in our front path, in our
12.
That's the only car that'sthere.

Or is

I take that back.
there.
is, there is another cardirectly up, probably the same
distance from us to the firstvehicle.
That same distance from him upthere is a, a car in the center.
And then it?
looks like we've got someoncoming traffic or some really
bright lights up.
there.

Yep.
So this is nine o'clock on aSunday.
This is actually only about amonth ago.
So here we

Okay.
Let's go.
boys.
we've got a car coming the wrong

Ken Lucci (41:20):
Oh, wrong way.
Driver

Wrong way, driver.

Yep.

Ken Lucci (41:26):
see that coming.

So, uh, what happens in that scenario?

Oh,

for something like that?

okay.
So, so a couple things.
One, I'm surprised this guy didnothing, or this gal did
nothing.

of, in the

No, no, no, no, the dash cam, right.
Our dash cam driver wasbasically a passenger at this
point, right?
Because they did not changelanes.
Um, I, I wasn't watching thespeed, but I see their speeds at
52 miles an hour, and we're on ahighway, which should be a 65.
I don't know.
They, they might've reducedspeed, but obviously not a ton.

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Now here's what's interestingis.

Ken Lucci (42:03):
back.
Go back.
Let's look at

The, yeah, this, this driver appears to be coming
down the right hand shoulder.
And, and I could tell veryquickly'cause you had the bright
light.
Now my thing is, if I know whatside of the road this person's
on, and I've got three emptylanes, I'm going to try to get

(42:25):
to the opposite side of the roadfrom them because, um, and John,
what if you'll play it forwardfor a second and then just

So we're going 75.

and pause it real quick.
All Right So at this point.
For those of you that can't seethe guy up in front, the far guy
up in front the the wrong way.
Driver just passed him.
He's still hitting the brakes.
He's in shock.
He doesn't know what justhappened.
The guy directly in front of usand to the right has the one-way
driver coming.
Now, it's really hard for me totell because there's a lot of

(42:56):
glare from the headlights, buthe's either in the same lane as
that guy or he's off to theright.
Now.
It's funny because.
Uh, my, my son plays hockey.
I play hockey.
I coach the kids and we tell'emthat you.
want time and space in hockey.
It's a very fast game.
There's a lot of movement.
A lot of that translates over tohow you want to think about

(43:18):
driving.
You want time and you wantspace, and they're darn near
interchangeable.
Between the two.
Now I know that all of thisaction's gonna happen on the
right, if there's an impact, ifthat one-way driver coming
towards us impacts that vehicle,you better believe that those
vehicles are gonna spin out.
If I'm staying in this lane andthey're in the lane to the right

(43:41):
of me, I'm going directly intowhat is most likely going to be
allotted debris.
So one, I'm already, if, if thisis me, I am slowing down and I'm
moving to that left lane.
Now, we talked earlier aboutsituational awareness.
You need to know if there'ssomeone next to you, but I can
tell you here, just from theappearance of it, unless the guy

(44:01):
next to us has his headlightsturned off, there's no
headlights in that left lane.
So,

Ken Lucci (44:05):
Okay.
So, alright, so this issomething that you've got
someone coming down the road inthe wrong way.
What do you do when you have apassenger in the car?
Do you alert the passenger tosay brace?
Or do you just play it Mr.
Smooth and try to do the evasiveon your own?

Okay, so a couple things.
So when we're breaking, we havethree components to breaking,
right?
Because one, you have toactually see, right?
You have to see and have thatmoment of, Hey, I see that I am
going to have to break.
That's your perception time.
Then your next step in brakingis going to be your reaction

(44:47):
time.
How quick can I get my fat footoff the gas and onto the brake?
I apply the brake.
Then you actually have themechanical time it's going to
take for the vehicle to stop.
So if I'm going, yeah, Mr.
Jones, I'd like to let you knowwe're in an emergency now.
Sorry.
My number one job is to main,and not only that, I've got my

(45:09):
bubble.
Now, the good thing that thisdriver's doing right is he's in
a bubble.
He's not up on the guy in frontof him.
he's got time, he's slowing out,and he's got time and space.
So I'm moving to that left lane.
I'm slowing down.
I'm getting ready to react,right?
Because if I can avoid theproblem from happening
altogether, that's where I wantto be.

(45:29):
I want to be at the point wherethe guy in the back maybe looks
up and goes.
Was there an accident up ahead?
Uh, yes.
Mr.
Jones.
Not to worry, we've got plentyof room.
I'm still gonna get you theresafe and on time.
We're gonna get around or hey,You know, I'd, I'd like to, do
you, have your phone?
Do you, mind calling in 9 1 1?
Whatever that might be, right?
Like look, an emergency is anemergency.
I'm one of those few people thatevery time I come up on an

(45:51):
accident, I pick up the phoneand I call nine one one to the
point where I'm now trained tocalmly report things to 9 1 1

Ken Lucci (45:59):
well, you, you,

And that keeps the passengers calm.
If you remain calm, everyoneelse remains

Correct?

Ken Lucci (46:04):
And you know, something, you just hit upon
something where, keeping calm,keeping calm is probably the
most important thing.
You can show the passenger thatyou're in control.
know, I was in a chauffeur carabout six months ago in New
York, and, we had a close callwith a pedestrian and the, I

(46:26):
don't wanna say typical NewYorker, but he literally went
off on the guy 30 seconds beforehe went through the crosswalk.
This dumb ass is gonna gothrough the crosswalk.
All right, then how about if youtake action on your own?
Yeah.
And he, he cursed the guy outwhen I was in the backseat and,
and

Did you tip him more because of that?

Ken Lucci (46:48):
no, no.
no.
but I did tell my client, I'mlike, look, at the end of the
day, okay, I don't want to feelmore anxious.
By being in the back of thatcar.
I wanna know that this guy,excuse me, Mr.
Lucci, we're gonna move overthis guy's a little bit.
This guy's not paying attention.

Now John, if we're gonna have a real bad one, let
me know and we can address this.
But I think the other thing thatwe train and we talk about is,
God forbid something happens,there's a couple things you need
to know.
One, there is this misnomer thatpeople think that just because
there's an accident, it wasreported to 9 1 1.
Okay?
And, and if you see people atthe scene and they're on their

(47:28):
phone and whatnot, I get it.
But look, I've, I've seenaccidents happen.
And the second that I know I'min a safe place, I'm in control,
I can pull over, you know, I,I'm gonna call in nine one one
and, and depending on thesituation, right?
You, you might be out there, youmight be the only one there.
It, it does make sense to say,Hey, Mr.
Lucci, there's been a horribleaccident.
I, I, I wanna check and makesure they're okay.

(47:48):
You know, th those types ofthings, it's all situation by
situation.
But one of the places wherepeople get in trouble is if
you're in an accident and youget to an accident and you're
like, oh, I'm gonna do CPR onthis guy, and you've never been
trained in CPR and you break the80 year old's rib and you
puncture his lung, you did muchmore harm than you did.
Good.
So, to a certain extent, it'sokay.

(48:10):
Remain calm.
Call nine one.
Report the accident, be helpful.
I'm at this mile marker.
This is what happened.
You know, this is what's goingon.
if you are trained in first aid,don't go above your training
unless you're directed to by thefirst responders.
I think a lot of this soundslike common sense, but thinking

(48:31):
about this beforehand makes allthe difference when something
happens.

Ken Lucci (48:36):
right.
Let's look at this one.

All right.
So

We're,

through a lot of

driving a limo through a cornfield.

we, we've gone through a lot of really crazy
scenarios, and so we're gonna,we're gonna have a little bit of
fun now.
so this was taken right in, uh,Kansas City, right

Oh Lord.
Oh Lord.
Yeah.
I, I might, I might actuallyknow this cornfield, right?
Yeah.

Ken Lucci (48:57):
that Po.
Duck Town.

you know what, I, I think I might have just wanted
to share this one with you guys,so I, I just wanna get your
reaction to this.
So here we've got what appearsto be a stretch limo in a
cornfield.

that, that looks like what?
That looks like a LincolnNavigator stretch from here.

let's see what happens.

yeah.
All right.
So we got a cornfield.
He is driving with the rosethrough the cornfield full bore,
like 60 miles an hour.
Uh, yeah.
No, it

Ken Lucci (49:27):
Okay.
First of

So that's,

Ken Lucci (49:29):
the stage.
that's, a private, that's a,that's a private owner of a
stretched Ford truck.
It's not, there's no way thatthat guy's a live operative, but
that's

No, no.
And, and so ironically enoughlike this, Ken's gonna gimme so
much crap for this.
Let's talk safety here.
Now, if you are driving througha cornfield, one of the things
they warn you about living herein Kansas City is that if you
drive through cornfield at anyspeed, you are driving through
blind.
So if there is a rock, a pond, afence, an anything, a deer, you

(50:05):
are going to hit it full speed.
'cause you're basically drivingthrough blind.
And that's, they actually willtell you, like with the corn
fields and whatnot, if you haveto go through a cornfield, you
have to go.
through really slowly becauseyou've literally had people
drive into lakes, cliffs, eachother, trucks, you name it.
So safety moment there, even inthe cornfield

Ken Lucci (50:26):
Okay.
This is gonna be a good one.
Tee this up.
it says, worst limo driver inthe world.
Okay.

yeah, so we we're taking submissions for, uh, uh,
the, the best limo driver in theworld, right?
Chauffeur of the year.
But this will be the kind ofopposite of that.
This is an example of the

I, is that a folding table?
It looks like you have like somekind of back of a, of a stretch
or, or maybe even a cutaway withlike a folding table in

You're spot on, James.
So we are eating dinner sittingdown at the table in the back of
the limousine.

On, on a folding table?

drive, like there's a tear of champagne
glasses in the car.
Well,

Yeah.

Driver took it literally.

Oh.
let's go.
Oh yeah, we, we got the Italianmusic.
Oh.
dear Lord.
Is this, is this in thecornfield?
Is this cornfield guy?

Ken Lucci (51:22):
No,

Okay.
Because'cause This is like this,this thing is bouncing up and
down

Ken Lucci (51:28):
be real.
It can't be real.

Oh no.
It's real.
stupid is what it is.
Right?
Like if you look at the age,these all look like college kids
to me, right?

say, this has gotta be like homecoming or prom

Someone's dad owns a junkyard and this limo went on
like one last ride before thecrusher through the junkyard,
and they're like, let's toss afolding table in there and eat
some pasta.

Ken Lucci (51:48):
Is it a pain in the ass for you to play that again?

No,

Let's go.

Ken Lucci (51:52):
Well, no, James, the guy's wearing a,

Look.
Look.
Oh geez.
The, the kid hit his head on theceiling on that one.
Look from the limo driver'spoint of

Ken Lucci (52:02):
The limo driver is wearing a suit.
it's gotta be the

he is, wearing a suit.

yeah, these, yeah.
But no, I mean, let's get real.
Unless, unless this is likeghetto limos incorporated,
nobody shows up with a, foldingtable in the back of the limo
and some like.
You know, stereotypical Italianmusic playing in a suit.

Ken Lucci (52:21):
and has a spaghetti dinner in the back

Yeah.

Ken Lucci (52:24):
a couple things in reality is that when you are in
the back of, the stretchlimousine, your job, your job as
the driver is make sure thatthat environment is quiet and
calm all the time.
And that would be for mini busor Lima bus, et cetera.

(52:45):
Any, especially when there's apetition and you as the, the
client, you really not lookingat what's going on.
So that Yeah, that's, that'spretty interesting.

and it's funny that you brought up the partition
because all safety aside, one ofthe things that's really
important, uh, regardless ofwhat level of pastor trans face
you're at, is discretion.
Right.
Whatever they're talking aboutin the back, whatever's going on
in the back, that's not yourbusiness.
Especially when you get intoyour VIPs, your famous actors,
your, you know, ball players,your, all of what's happening in

(53:19):
the back, other than from asafety standpoint, right?
They should be able to sit backthere and talk financials and
read bank account numbers safein the knowledge that you're not
listening.

Ken Lucci (53:30):
which by the way brings up a point.
you know, I have tons of petpeeves about Facebook, but it's
chauffeur and company ownersthat are taking pictures with
celebrities or taking pictureswith the vehicle in front of a
private jet with the tail numbershowing,

Yeah.
So now I know his private jet or

Ken Lucci (53:47):
Right.

private jetty booked for that trip.
Thanks, bud.

Ken Lucci (53:50):
we are in the discretion business.
That's the key.
That's one of the premise of, ofour business.
We are in the discretionbusiness.
Alright, go ahead.

Okay, this next video is on, Las Vegas Drift.
Okay, so it's not Tokyo Drift.
We're bringing it stateside.
Here we go.

I, I gotta tell you the, the amount of control to
now the question

He's going backwards.
Look,

Ken Lucci (54:19):
he, this is stretch.
It's a, it's a Lincoln stretchlimousine.

he's being arrested now.

Ken Lucci (54:26):
Now he's being arrested.
Okay.
interesting that, that does looklike a

Okay,

Ken Lucci (54:32):
it was stolen.
Uh.

so, so, all right, so for the slide, let me, let me
tell you a couple interestingthings here.
The longer the wheel base is onthe vehicle, when you have a
slide, often, especially if it'sa rigid vehicle, you do have
slightly more time to bring theslide back, which I think is the
only reason he's got this slidehere and then thank God He,

(54:54):
brings it back.
You'll see it,

He,

the other way

flips it into reverse right here in the
intersection, and then he

Yeah.

into reverse and then goes backwards.

Yeah.
So,

Ken Lucci (55:07):
if, if it was not for the finals shot of the cop
arresting him, I would swearthis is a movie.

yeah, it's, and that's what I was saying, like
the, the amount of control that,like, whether that's luck or
skill, we will never know, but,

Ken Lucci (55:22):
it is?
I think it's the, somebody stoleone of Well, it is either meth,
but no, I think somebody stoleone of the casino's stretch
limousines.

Uh, yeah.
Yeah.
I don't recognize thatparticular one,

I am amazed that none of these cars got hit, that
he was able to flip that limoaround in between these two cars

that that's what I was saying earlier now and
that's what I was mentioningearlier, like the longer
vehicles, you know, when I was akid and I drove my Mustang in
the winter, one of the thingsyou get really good at is
driving out the passenger or thedriver's side window.
'cause once, once you get anykinda wet or patch the rear end
steps out so far, so fast.
You can see with this longerwheel base, he's got a little

(56:04):
bit longer to respond.
But even then, I mean, that is

Ken Lucci (56:07):
So, so what do you do as a chauffeur this idiot.
If you feel like you're lo,

skidding or, or losing control.

Ken Lucci (56:16):
legitimately feel like you're losing control of
the vehicle.

Okay, so if you're not a drift car racer, which
nobody that's driving should bea couple things.
So you want to avoid slamming onthe brakes.
A lot of people's main instinctis slamming on the brakes.
This is especially important inthe winter because if you have
the wheels turned and you slamon the brakes, a lot of times

(56:41):
you'll go from turning to thecar, now wants to go straight,
or the bus now wants to gostraight because once those
wheels stop turning, you losethe ability for those wheels to
roll and for it to move forward.
let's say I was trying to make aright hand turn at that corner
and I had the wheels turn, Ifelt slid and I slammed on the
brakes, I might actually not beable to turn as well as if I'd
let off the brake a little bitand let the wheels turn in snow.

(57:04):
Typically what you wanna do whenyou have a skid like John, um,
go back a bit.
To where like not when he isswinging it around, but where it
looks like he might just be kindof stepping out a little bit on
the rear end.
So at that point, you typicallyare going to turn into it,
Right, Because you want to tryand go back and bring it back.
So at this point.

(57:25):
right.
So at this point you can seehe's across two lanes.
I Don't wanna overcorrect.
I'm not trying to get itsideways.
I'm going to let, typically I'mgonna, if I'm on the gas, I'm
gonna let off the gas.
If I'm on the brake, I'm gonnaavoid over applying the brake.
Because what happens is when weslam on the brakes, just like on
ice, if you're not straight,when you slam on the brakes,

(57:47):
you're not gonna stop straight.
you see that happen, especiallyin articulated vehicles like a
semi-truck.
The reason they tend tojackknife is that backend steps
out and then it's pushing themforward.
so you really wanna try and workon getting that straight out.
And you look, if you see, he'sable to straighten it back out,
but he goes too far because atthis point he's straightened it

(58:07):
back out.
and.
as you can see, it's alreadywhipped and shot back the other
way.
But you can tell this guy's,he's doing this intentionally
'cause

Ken Lucci (58:14):
And he, I'm,

smoke And he, is on the

Ken Lucci (58:16):
yeah.
And I'm telling you, if itwasn't for the fact that there's
a scene about him beingarrested, I wouldn't think this
is a movie.
a

I, it might still be a scene for the movie with
the arrest, right?
You know, I'm, I'm waiting for,you know, some like Zach

Ken Lucci (58:30):
I,

or something to get out and be like, Hey,

Ken Lucci (58:33):
I'm betting I'm bet.
Or Yeah, nevermind.
Oh, I'm betting that somebodystole a casino limousine here.
Okay, let's go.

gentlemen, that is all that I have to share.
Maybe we

Ken Lucci (58:43):
really fun.

I, I think we're gonna have to do one of these
with, with buses and, and motorcoaches.
I feel like we had some now,now, I will say the only
downside there is, you know,unfortunately on, on those
larger vehicles, the potentialfor it to be so much worse is
there.
But I, I gotta tell you this,this.
was a heck of a ride.
John, we we're gonna have tobring you onto the show.

(59:06):
Mor off, you might be our newfavorite guest.

Well, I'm, I'm here for every episode, whether
you see me or not.

So, and, and let me quantify that, everybody'cause,
'cause because people might bethinking, the poor guy says,
John is there.
So typically when we'rerecording John is in like hidden
producer mode.
So he's gotta listen to all theouttakes, all the, everything he
really does know where thebodies are buried.

I've learned a lot about the transportation
industry

Ken Lucci (59:30):
Yeah.
And he also has dropped, he'salso kept track of how many
F-bombs I've dropped and the,and the, and he's the one that
has to try, try to bleep themout.
You know, we're gonna do, on acoming episode, we're gonna do a
behind the scenes of what ittakes to put this podcast
together.
And it's not easy.
It, I make the joke that it's asecond full-time job.

(59:52):
which it is.
It is, it is a lot of work andit's a lot of expense, and we
couldn't do it without John.
so this, that episode about thevehicles and the crashes and the
chaos was your idea.
So

James Blain (01:00:03):
This was a good one.

Ken Lucci (01:00:04):
please continue to bring us those ideas.
and as we end this, guys, if youcan think of, uh, everybody out
there in the studio audience, orin podcast world, if you can
think of any subjects you wantus to cover, please email us,
email James, email me, and justlet us know what you'd like us
to cover if we didn't make thesethings somewhat fun.

(01:00:27):
They'd be really tedious after awhile, but I think we've given
you some good advice on safetyas we've watched this chaos.
Um, now I'm curious to, to findout about that, Las Vegas
limousine whose it was.
Um, I'm betting.
I'm betting.
it was a stolen one from the oneof the casinos, but there's been

(01:00:48):
an an incredibly, uh, excitingepisode.
Last words, James.

I wanna take that a step further.
If you have videos, right?
We, we will blur out the logo.
We, you know, God forbid it'sbad.
Um, but you, I, I have, I, Ihave kind of my, my hidden reels
so to speak, of, of customersubmitted ones.
I have a couple people who wannabe texting later, Hey, can we
use this?
Do you mind?
We'll blur it all out.
But, um, you know,'cause it'ssomething that in the industry,

(01:01:15):
I know, especially when I go toclient visits or I go to shows,
guys, look, it, it's not alwaysgreat.
We're like, oh, you gotta seethis one.
Oh, you not gotta believe whatthis guy did.
Um, I will tell you, um, and,and we'll, we'll reach out and
see if we can use it.
One of my favorite videos thatI've seen is we got an email and
it said, PAX really works.
And it's, it's an SUV andthey're driving on the highway

(01:01:37):
and there's a semi-truck comingin the other lane, and the
semi-truck goes up and over themedian and he's coming right
towards the SUV And you want totalk about nails it, the SUV.
Jumps over, goes over a lane,starts slowing down, hits the
off ramp, right?
And then just calmly gets offthe highway and keeps going on
with her.

(01:01:58):
And it was, it was this.
This person was doing exactlywhat they're supposed to do.
They're being proactive, they'rereading the road ahead.
They saw it coming.
They knew the lane next to themwas clear, right?
They had the full picture ofsituational awareness and they
were able to just slide thatover and get it on the off ramp.
And it just, it worked so well,and it's such a great video.

(01:02:18):
We'll have to see if we can addthat into our next one.
But if you have videos likethat, Yes, absolutely.

John Tyreman (01:02:25):
Send us to your dash cam videos and make sure
that you like and subscribe tothe show on YouTube, apple, or
wherever you get your podcasts.

Absolutely.
Thank you everybody forlistening.

Ken Lucci (01:02:35):
Sounds good.
Thank you for listening to theground transportation podcast.
If you enjoyed this episode,please remember to subscribe to
the show on apple, Spotify,YouTube, or wherever you get
your podcasts.
For more information about PAXtraining and to contact James,
go to PAX training.com.
And for more information aboutdriving transactions and to

(01:02:56):
contact Ken, Go to drivingtransactions.com.
We'll see you next time on theground transportation podcast.

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