June 5, 2025 • 25 mins
In this episode, we journey into the healing power of duality, shadow work, and spiritual integration. Angelique Koster shares how her spiritually rich upbringing shaped her unique approach to energy healing and personal transformation. We explore the unseen parts of ourselves through powerful reflection exercises, breathwork, and the embrace of both light and shadow. This conversation is a reminder that healing isn’t about fixing—it’s about reclaiming joy, self-awareness, and the art of living fully.
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Angelique Koster is the vibrant force behind Asanak Healing — an energy alchemist, wellness wizard, and anatomy enthusiast with a passion for turning life's chaos into harmony. Starting her journey in alternative medicine at the age of 7, she became the youngest South African Accunect practitioner at just 17. Armed with an eclectic toolkit of color therapy, sound healing, mBit coaching, and more massage techniques than you can shake a chakra at, Angelique is on a mission to help you embrace the messy, magical dance of life. Her philosophy? Healing isn’t about fixing what’s broken — it’s about discovering the art of living fully, embracing the “AND” of duality, and finding the beauty in every contradiction. When she’s not guiding clients to breakthroughs or teaching classes, you’ll likely find her meditating at naptime, losing herself in the pages of fantasy adventures, exploring new wellness techniques, or turning everyday challenges into opportunities for growth and self-discovery.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to the Heal Yourself Podcast, where we dive
deep into all things healing.
I'm Denise, a speech-languagepathologist and a self-love
coach for adults and teens.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
And I'm Kira, a traditional naturopath and
functional nutritionist, and weare here to guide you through
the transformative process ofhealing your body, mind and soul
.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
From the latest in functional medicine to nurturing
your relationship with yourself, healing trauma and even
transforming your money story.
We're here to empower you withthe knowledge and tools to
create lasting change.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
So, whether you're looking to heal physically,
emotionally or spiritually, joinus as we explore the many paths
to wholeness and wellness.
Hey guys, welcome back toanother episode of Heal Yourself
Podcast.
You have Kira today, and I amjoined by special guest
(01:00):
Angelique Koster.
I'm really excited to introduceyou guys to her.
So she is the vibrant forcebehind Asana Healing.
She's an energy alchemist,wellness wizard and anatomy
enthusiast with a passion forturning life's chaos into
harmony.
She started her journey inalternative medicine at the age
(01:21):
of seven, and she's actuallygoing to tell us more about that
.
She became the youngest SouthAfrican ascetic I'm totally
butchering this practitioner atjust 17.
So, angelique?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
welcome.
Tell us a little more aboutyourself and how I'm butchering
these things.
Hi, kira, it is absolutelyperfect.
So, as everyone now hears, I'mAngelique Costa, and South
Africa in general, I think, hasbrought in a lot of life energy
into my story, because, foranyone who's ever been in South
Africa, it is a very vibrant,vibrant country and there's a
lot of earth energy here thatyou can tap into and alchemize
(02:04):
into fire power.
So it's amazing.
But, yeah, my journey actuallystarted really young.
Um, I had the privilege ofgrowing up in a spiritual home,
so the secret was my biblegrowing up and through this work
and through, you know, doing ummindscape through body talk at
the age of 10, during alpha mindtrainings, going to guided
(02:26):
meditations from as early as Ican remember, getting my
certifications for it at the ageof seven, becoming a
practitioner at 17 it's been aliteral life journey of
alchemizing and harmonizing thespiritual with the modern world.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Yeah, and for you to have started healing at such a
young age is amazing, and thefact that you were a
practitioner at 17, I'm thinking17,.
I was in high school andthinking about my next boyfriend
or whatever it might have been,or whatever it might have been.
You said that you grew up inthis.
For those that don't know, whatdoes that look like?
(03:15):
Because I have no idea whatthat would look like.
I grew up in a Catholichousehold.
You went to church on Sundays,you prayed your rosary, that was
it.
So what does it look like togrow up in a spiritual family?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
It's.
It's very challenging.
It's incredibly there's there'sa large amount of
accountability that comes withthe kind of growth attributed to
growing into a spiritualhousehold.
There are no such things asexcuses when it comes to
ailments.
You know, it's the small things.
You know.
Now, on TikTok and Instagram, wesee people talking about gentle
parenting.
But growing up in awareness andconsciousness from a very young
(03:52):
age.
Firstly, you mature a lotquicker, but you also become
very self-aware.
This is what I love.
This is not what I love.
This is for me, that is not.
There's a big knowingness thatcomes in and that can look like
very small things a knee injury.
Then your mom goes oh, whereare you afraid of your future
(04:14):
choices?
Or where, at the moment, do youfeel you're stuck in walking
forward, you know, and itbecomes a very big conversation
at home instead of just goinglike, oh sorry, sweetie, you
hurt your knee, let's go to thedoctor.
It's actually what's happeningover there.
Yeah, did someone make you madat school?
Why do you have a fever blistertoday?
(04:36):
What weren't you verbalizing?
It's being called out a lotmore than in a normal household.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah, that's hysterical.
Hysterical but wow.
What a gift at the same time tobe able to have those
conversations at a young age.
Because you're right, yeah,anyone else?
It's like take an ibuprofen ortake a natural alternative.
Here's some herbs, you know,whatever that might look like,
so definitely go ahead, yeah itdefinitely creates a integrated
(05:05):
space.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
My mom came from a very religious background and
from her own.
She was only 20 when she had me, so she was still in her own
unfolding and her own womanhoodkind of coming in.
And it was an incredible magicto experience because of these
powerful women that werespiritual in my environment, had
not only this authority aboutthem but created the space for
(05:30):
me to live integratively into myenvironment.
So she put me in Montessorischools and for those who love
Montessori, you know it createsthat independence, that
awareness, that consciousnessthat comes with being self-aware
, self-regulating and very muchwholeness in self.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, love Montessori over here, so I'm curious how
do you work with clients?
Because I know that's evolvedover the years, but what does
that look like now?
How do you help people?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
So now what I end up doing is I kind of integrate
between the different modalitiesthat I have.
So I've currently finishing mymasters in metaphysics and using
everything that I've learnedthroughout my existence.
You know, the angel therapies,the dragon therapies, the
acunect which is what I did at17 um the chakra, balancing
(06:26):
massage and just bringingwhatever is unique to that
person.
So a lot of the time my clientsfind me.
I find that, even though I canmake it, put a message out there
of oh, I'm running a class for,like now, I'm doing a shading
of the old for the new snakeyear, for this year and other
(06:48):
people reach out and say but youknow, I want to shed my old,
but I really struggle with myrelationships, I really struggle
in business.
Or, and then I find the toolsin my toolbox, whether it's
through integrated coaching,whether it's through integrated
coaching, whether it's throughthe healing, because people are
so many different levels at anygiven moment of their life that
(07:09):
whatever they come for, Iintegrate into their experience.
So if one modality ends up notholding their space, I switch
them into a different modalityfield, so it's continuously
moving with where they are.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Okay, well, and you talk a bit about duality.
What does that even mean forour listeners?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
In a very Western culture, duality is as simple as
left brain and right brain.
It is as simple as the logical,the creative, the intuitive
versus the intellectual.
That is the duality that we facein a very Western world
practice space, especiallythrough the acunate practice.
(07:55):
It's all about duality.
It's all the feminine masculine, but not the feminine masculine
that we have titled it now inWestern worlds, where it's I'm a
woman and that's a man.
It's the dark, the yin and theyang, the shadow and the light,
and there is duality ineverything because there's a
pull and a push in everything.
(08:16):
So a lot of my work, especiallywhen I start with clients in
duality, is finding theirweakness in the spokes of their
wheel of life, finding thoseparts of your wheel that you're
the most resistant to, that youdon't quite know, that you have
issues with, because you want tofocus on something else, like
(08:37):
money or career, but yourrelationships are suffering.
So that is the duality thatbecomes very practical for us,
going into the areas that areour support pillars, that need
the most work to build thefoundation for where we want to
go and how did you get to thatplace?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
because I love what you're talking about with
duality.
I mean, one of my spiritualmentors has said in the past
light cannot exist without darkyin and yang.
There's always duality, but wedon't know in our ego 3D mind
what the heck that even means.
So how do you get people tothat space and seeing that there
is a duality?
You can't just focus on justmoney or just this over here.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
My quickest exercise that I usually do with clients
and this is for my beginnerclients and usually when people
first get introduced to the workof duality is I tell them to
become okay with the shadows andnot the shadow work that we
know of, that we speak about inwhere we see it virally.
(09:41):
Instagram will have shadow work.
Youtube has shadow work.
No, the kind of shadow workthat I want people to start
recognizing is to voice thethings that they generally try
and push aside with the love andlight language that we use.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Spiritual bypassing 100%.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
And by voicing those shadows we start recognizing
that we're holding space for twopolarities.
So, for instance, I really,really, really want to have a
loving, thoughtful relationship,but the verbalization behind
that, beyond what we see inmanifestation of affirmations
and what they're repeating, theshadow side of that is I don't
(10:21):
actually like people in my spaceor I don't have the energy and
capacity for meeting new people.
That becomes a duality.
You're holding the twopolarities.
It's very simple.
It becomes very easy for peopleand I tell them to put on your
pessimistic glasses.
You know, in a lot of myworkshops that's one of my
favorite tools is physically puton a pair of glasses, like
(10:43):
we're in drama school.
Put them on and look at lifethrough the gringe and just be
miserable about it, becausethose belief systems that pop
out in that moment are still inyou.
Those four thoughts are yours.
They don't belong to anyoneelse because you're the one
thanking them, you're the onesaying them.
(11:04):
That's a powerful exercise it'sso bitter to swallow that pole
when you first in it, yeah, butthen from there it becomes kind
of this relief because it's nota thorn in the side anymore.
You can recognize it, you cansee it and say, oh okay, that's
how I really feel about things.
How can I shift from that?
And that's where dualitybecomes powerful.
(11:25):
It's not the shadow work of Ihave inner child wounding.
It's just being very frankabout what I feel about things,
without gaslighting myself aboutwhat I feel about things
without gaslighting myself.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, and it's that awareness piece is so crucial,
because we don't recognizesometimes that we have those
negative thoughts or beliefsuntil we do something like that.
And you mentioned shadow work.
I know there are listeners whoeither don't know what shadow
work is or we see it all overInstagram.
I help people do shadow workand people are like what on
earth is shadow work?
So do you mind telling us alittle bit about what even is a
(12:02):
shadow?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
So I'll tell you my interpretation of the shadow
that I've experienced in my life, because I find that a lot of
the practices that we're seeingon social media now isn't the
true spiritual practices thatexist.
Shadow work that I've comeacross it in my work over and
over and over again isrecognizing the traumas that we
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have and seeing the wounds forwhat they are.
That is the shadow work.
We can say that ourex-boyfriend was a narcissist
and yet we might have tendenciesof narcissism or selfish
behaviors or limiting beliefsbecause of wounds within us.
And that is where shadow workcomes in.
(12:48):
It is looking at the side ofourselves that we generally feel
very uncomfortable with andthat generally we bury.
So the moment we have angerthat we're suppressing, that
becomes a shadow aspect of whowe are.
And one of my favorite proverbsand lessons that we learn in the
Chinese medicine modalitieswithin Acunect is that the
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shadow can move.
We always look at it as ifyou're facing a mountain and
you're looking at the mountain,you see the sun rising on the
one side.
The opposite side isautomatically the shadow, but as
the sun reaches the apex thereis no more shadow, but once it
drops, the shadow shows, and soour shadows are always changing.
(13:31):
We can see that when we walkoutside and the sun hits our
bodies.
We always have shadows andthey're always changing.
So shadow work is just becomingaware of the power that these
wounds have.
It's becoming okay with thesewounds so that they don't
determine what comes next.
Because whether we're lookingat it from a spiritual point of
(13:52):
view or we're looking at itadded from a neurological point
of view, we have things calledneuroplasticity and these are
formed by our nervous systemwith fight or flight and freeze
and form responses as the worldchanges around us and with this
becomes a pattern, our dnastores for us to stay safe, and
(14:14):
that becomes shadow work as well.
It just gets a really spirituallabel to it instead of a very
practical survival mechanismthat we just have to look at and
remind our nervous system.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
It's not a danger to us, yeah that's a good way of
looking at it and this is aprime example of duality, I'm
guessing you know, because we'vegot the shadows, would you say,
for everything, like in everyaspect of our life,
relationships, money, do wecontinue to have some shadows?
Speaker 3 (14:47):
A hundred percent.
I have been doing this work aliteral lifetime and every time
I think that you know I fullyevolved.
there's another layer yeah newlevel, new double yeah and it
goes deeper and deeper and thenit's another layer of maybe
family stuff, belief systems or,you know, social conditioning
(15:11):
or, um, you know, somethinghappens and we don't realize
it's traumatic until anotherspoke of the wheel rolls in and
another angle of it hits it.
So, yeah, shadow work I don'tthink ever ends, because there's
always a new light to shine ona topic.
There is always a new level,there's always a new
understanding.
(15:31):
New understanding and that issomething that is deeply
ingrained in my practice andwithin my clients that I work
with is be okay with alwaysevolving.
There is never a end line.
So a lot of people ask me howmany sessions do I need?
And I'm like how many sessionsdo you feel you want?
Yeah, because that's thequestion, you know, is how how
(15:53):
much work do you feel you wantto invest in yourself?
There's no quick answer.
There's no quick tool.
It has to become an integratedlifestyle.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah, and that's the theme of our podcast.
I mean, it comes up in everyepisode of.
There's not an end point forhealing, it's an ongoing journey
.
You were put on this planet inthis lifetime to heal and that's
your journey.
That's what you're going tocontinue to do until you're gone
.
I think people don't like tohear that, but for me I do.
(16:26):
I know that's a part of mypurpose is to continue healing
and, like you said, shininglights on areas where, like, oh,
didn't see that one before.
Um, I'm curious.
Yeah, sorry, we interrupt eachother all the time on this
podcast.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
go ahead um, I think it fascinates me and that's part
of the duality teachings that Ihave as well is, you know, we
are so willing to watch the sameepisodes on tv over and over
again?
Yeah, but when it comes tohealing work, and someone tells
us that there's always work todo, we're kind of a little bit
(17:02):
like yeah don't we have to.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yeah, can I do something else?
Speaker 3 (17:08):
but but we're okay to binge watch something and we're
okay to watch the same rerunsand we're okay doing things like
that, but the moment it'ssomething very vulnerable.
It's almost like our societynorms have made it so
uncomfortable to be held in thatspace that it's something we
reject and it's.
(17:29):
It's always just veryfascinating to see how we have
those two, and I'm in there aswell.
Sometimes I'm like no, I'm notready for that, I'll go have a
nap instead, yeah, yeah, we'renot always ready for certain
things.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
And this brings up the idea of are we broken?
Because we're both sayingyou're constantly having to heal
, you're constantly needing towork through shadows and looking
at the duality.
How do you word it to someonewhen they come to you and just
think well, then I'm just broken, I have all these aspects of me
(18:02):
that aren't working.
Are we broken?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
We are not broken.
In Acunet it was probably oneof the most profound things that
I'd learned and it's a lessonthat I carry with me.
So when I discovered Acunet at17, you know, at that time of
life it's still very muchself-discovery.
You know we're still eventhough the whole your whole life
there's always a new level ofself-discovery.
(18:27):
But juggling, you know, I wentthrough a lot of bullying in
high school.
I went through a lot ofdifferent, not being able to
almost connect with otherstudents because I just had such
a different way of life and Iwas in a Christian school.
So being a spiritual child in aChristian school was very
(18:47):
challenging.
And, yeah, I can imagine, youknow I had to go through like
people speak about the witchwound online, but I had to go
through that in my reality.
People were calling me a witchin school and people were
bullying me for being differentand I had to go through that.
And when I discovered it, I hadthat same question.
(19:08):
I was like, no, I'm going to bea practitioner for this, but I
am.
I am I broken?
And the answer was and it'ssomething I now carry with me as
a lesson is, when we look atGod oneness universe, there is
no such thing as imperfection,it simply is.
And when we start a questionwith an acunate, when someone
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comes to me and they've gotextreme fibromyalgia, they've
got cancer I recently had totreat a dog that was on the
verge of being euthanized and Ihad to do skin rejuvenation for
her we don't ask the question ofwhat can we fix.
We ask the body and the mindand the integrated healing there
(19:53):
what is ready to shift?
And that is the most powerfulquestion that I've learned,
because it takes away thepressure of I'm broken and it
moves it on to it is alreadyworking, but what is ready to
shift?
It's like when we're driving,the car isn't broken.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
If there's traffic, we just take a different route
yeah, and it's a much moreempowering way to look at it.
And and obviously I knew theanswer to that was no guys.
But but I have to say itbecause, especially those with
physical ailments, and whenyou've been dealing with, like
you said, fibromyalgia orsomething you've been dealing
with issues for so long, youstart to think that you're
(20:33):
broken.
Nothing else has worked for me.
So obviously this is it, andit's not what else needs to
shift, what needs to move rightnow.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Yeah, you know, I always think of you.
Know, if we had to be a pebbleor a leaf in a stream and there
was a dam being built by abeaver, the water would be
piling up.
We would be thinking, oh, we'rebroken because we can't move.
Meanwhile the beaver just builta dam and we need to go around
it.
Yeah, same thing, same thing,just different principles and I
(21:06):
find that that's a big lesson inmy teachings as well is just,
you know, sometimes putting ondifferent glasses.
And I tell my clients,especially if they wear glasses,
take your glasses off and putthem back on with a new
personality on it.
You know, because lookingthrough a different lens just
gives us a different perspectiveand different way of being able
to maneuver through a task.
(21:27):
That's why we have thesebeautiful communities and
corporate does that really well.
We have a brainstorming session.
Now imagine we applied that toeveryday life and we could be
like well, I'm stuck in thisproblem, let's brainstorm it,
let's gutstorm it, let'sheartstorm it.
And you know, see where we'refeeling different things,
(21:47):
intuiting different things,thinking different things and
finding new ways of dealing withwhatever.
We're going through throughthose new avenues.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah, we're going through, through those new
avenues.
Yeah, well, I'm curious forthose that are like okay, I know
I've got to start on thishealing journey.
I don't know where to start.
Besides the glasses, do youhave any advice for where
someone can start?
Speaker 3 (22:14):
breath work is definitely a big thing,
especially with so much of theworld being the way that it is.
Um, I know in america they hadthe california fires.
Now, um, in south africa we'vehad extreme weather.
In uk they've had rioting, andso anywhere in the world where
(22:35):
people are listening to this,you'll remember to breathe.
That is the first step tohealing and it is the most
underrated step to healing.
Great breathe um, I find myselfoften, you know, is my
shoulders are hunching forwardso we get less breath in.
You know, put your shouldersback consciously.
(22:57):
Remember to breathe consciously.
Becoming aware of breath andwhere it's sitting without
judgment, is the biggest firststep to healing.
Then put your glasses on, havefun with it when you're feeling
tense or stressed.
Figure out ways where, whenyou're starting your healing
journey of things that you'veforgotten, that you love to do,
(23:18):
and become playful with it againit's a big one.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
We, yeah, I feel like it comes up on several episodes
and back to the inner child andhaving fun like we forget to
have fun.
Just because you're an adultdoesn't mean that everything you
have to do is adulting.
Have fun.
You're here for reason and partof that healing journey is to
have joy in your life 100%.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
I don't know about many other people, but as a
child I loved playing groceriesand I've recently with them.
We're moving into a new spaceand I've had to clear out a lot
of boxes and I found a millionreceipts that I had written to
people and I was invoicing and Iwas loving life as a child, it
seems.
I was running my own littlerestaurant and so many of us as
(24:05):
children go through theseplaybooks, but then as adults we
find them as chores.
So that was something that Ihad to teach myself as well is,
you know, when we're children wewant to do those things, we
want to write invoices, we wantto play, do those things, we
want to write invoices.
We want to play business,business.
We want to play doctor, doctor,we want to be fake cooking and
(24:25):
making everyone tea parties, andyet as adults we kind of forget
that we had a joy in those andwe make them a chore.
So just making it more fun forourselves again is a big part of
healing.
The more joy we feel, the lesscumbersome life becomes.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
And the more we heal, the more we heal.
Awesome.
Well, for those that want tofind you, how will they do that?
Where can they find you?
Speaker 3 (24:56):
They can find me on my website.
So it's Asanak Healing.
It a s a n a k healingcom.
Um, it just had a beautifulrevamp.
So anyone watching this, if youcan comment on what you think
about the new, the new website,that would be great.
Um, and then I'm on facebook,instagram, linkedin not quite
(25:17):
figured out tiktok quite, butyou can find me on most of the
social media.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Wonderful.
Well, and these will all be inthe show notes, guys, you'll be
able to contact her and look herup in those ways, but thank you
, thank you for this beautifulconversation.
Thank you, kira.
All right, guys.
Well, you know where to find usnext episode.
We'll be here next week.
Come find us on Instagram, askus questions, share what you
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want to hear about, and we'llsee you on the next episode.
Welcome to the Heal Yourself Podcast, where we dive
deep into all things healing.
I'm Denise, a speech-languagepathologist and a self-love
coach for adults and teens.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
And I'm Kira, a traditional naturopath and
functional nutritionist, and weare here to guide you through
the transformative process ofhealing your body, mind and soul
.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
From the latest in functional medicine to nurturing
your relationship with yourself, healing trauma and even
transforming your money story.
We're here to empower you withthe knowledge and tools to
create lasting change.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
So, whether you're looking to heal physically,
emotionally or spiritually, joinus as we explore the many paths
to wholeness and wellness.
Hey guys, welcome back toanother episode of Heal Yourself
Podcast.
You have Kira today, and I amjoined by special guest
(01:00):
Angelique Koster.
I'm really excited to introduceyou guys to her.
So she is the vibrant forcebehind Asana Healing.
She's an energy alchemist,wellness wizard and anatomy
enthusiast with a passion forturning life's chaos into
harmony.
She started her journey inalternative medicine at the age
(01:21):
of seven, and she's actuallygoing to tell us more about that
.
She became the youngest SouthAfrican ascetic I'm totally
butchering this practitioner atjust 17.
So, angelique?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
welcome.
Tell us a little more aboutyourself and how I'm butchering
these things.
Hi, kira, it is absolutelyperfect.
So, as everyone now hears, I'mAngelique Costa, and South
Africa in general, I think, hasbrought in a lot of life energy
into my story, because, foranyone who's ever been in South
Africa, it is a very vibrant,vibrant country and there's a
lot of earth energy here thatyou can tap into and alchemize
(02:04):
into fire power.
So it's amazing.
But, yeah, my journey actuallystarted really young.
Um, I had the privilege ofgrowing up in a spiritual home,
so the secret was my biblegrowing up and through this work
and through, you know, doing ummindscape through body talk at
the age of 10, during alpha mindtrainings, going to guided
(02:26):
meditations from as early as Ican remember, getting my
certifications for it at the ageof seven, becoming a
practitioner at 17 it's been aliteral life journey of
alchemizing and harmonizing thespiritual with the modern world.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Yeah, and for you to have started healing at such a
young age is amazing, and thefact that you were a
practitioner at 17, I'm thinking17,.
I was in high school andthinking about my next boyfriend
or whatever it might have been,or whatever it might have been.
You said that you grew up inthis.
For those that don't know, whatdoes that look like?
(03:15):
Because I have no idea whatthat would look like.
I grew up in a Catholichousehold.
You went to church on Sundays,you prayed your rosary, that was
it.
So what does it look like togrow up in a spiritual family?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
It's.
It's very challenging.
It's incredibly there's there'sa large amount of
accountability that comes withthe kind of growth attributed to
growing into a spiritualhousehold.
There are no such things asexcuses when it comes to
ailments.
You know, it's the small things.
You know.
Now, on TikTok and Instagram, wesee people talking about gentle
parenting.
But growing up in awareness andconsciousness from a very young
(03:52):
age.
Firstly, you mature a lotquicker, but you also become
very self-aware.
This is what I love.
This is not what I love.
This is for me, that is not.
There's a big knowingness thatcomes in and that can look like
very small things a knee injury.
Then your mom goes oh, whereare you afraid of your future
(04:14):
choices?
Or where, at the moment, do youfeel you're stuck in walking
forward, you know, and itbecomes a very big conversation
at home instead of just goinglike, oh sorry, sweetie, you
hurt your knee, let's go to thedoctor.
It's actually what's happeningover there.
Yeah, did someone make you madat school?
Why do you have a fever blistertoday?
(04:36):
What weren't you verbalizing?
It's being called out a lotmore than in a normal household.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yeah, that's hysterical.
Hysterical but wow.
What a gift at the same time tobe able to have those
conversations at a young age.
Because you're right, yeah,anyone else?
It's like take an ibuprofen ortake a natural alternative.
Here's some herbs, you know,whatever that might look like,
so definitely go ahead, yeah itdefinitely creates a integrated
(05:05):
space.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
My mom came from a very religious background and
from her own.
She was only 20 when she had me, so she was still in her own
unfolding and her own womanhoodkind of coming in.
And it was an incredible magicto experience because of these
powerful women that werespiritual in my environment, had
not only this authority aboutthem but created the space for
(05:30):
me to live integratively into myenvironment.
So she put me in Montessorischools and for those who love
Montessori, you know it createsthat independence, that
awareness, that consciousnessthat comes with being self-aware
, self-regulating and very muchwholeness in self.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, love Montessori over here, so I'm curious how
do you work with clients?
Because I know that's evolvedover the years, but what does
that look like now?
How do you help people?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
So now what I end up doing is I kind of integrate
between the different modalitiesthat I have.
So I've currently finishing mymasters in metaphysics and using
everything that I've learnedthroughout my existence.
You know, the angel therapies,the dragon therapies, the
acunect which is what I did at17 um the chakra, balancing
(06:26):
massage and just bringingwhatever is unique to that
person.
So a lot of the time my clientsfind me.
I find that, even though I canmake it, put a message out there
of oh, I'm running a class for,like now, I'm doing a shading
of the old for the new snakeyear, for this year and other
(06:48):
people reach out and say but youknow, I want to shed my old,
but I really struggle with myrelationships, I really struggle
in business.
Or, and then I find the toolsin my toolbox, whether it's
through integrated coaching,whether it's through integrated
coaching, whether it's throughthe healing, because people are
so many different levels at anygiven moment of their life that
(07:09):
whatever they come for, Iintegrate into their experience.
So if one modality ends up notholding their space, I switch
them into a different modalityfield, so it's continuously
moving with where they are.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Okay, well, and you talk a bit about duality.
What does that even mean forour listeners?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
In a very Western culture, duality is as simple as
left brain and right brain.
It is as simple as the logical,the creative, the intuitive
versus the intellectual.
That is the duality that we facein a very Western world
practice space, especiallythrough the acunate practice.
(07:55):
It's all about duality.
It's all the feminine masculine, but not the feminine masculine
that we have titled it now inWestern worlds, where it's I'm a
woman and that's a man.
It's the dark, the yin and theyang, the shadow and the light,
and there is duality ineverything because there's a
pull and a push in everything.
(08:16):
So a lot of my work, especiallywhen I start with clients in
duality, is finding theirweakness in the spokes of their
wheel of life, finding thoseparts of your wheel that you're
the most resistant to, that youdon't quite know, that you have
issues with, because you want tofocus on something else, like
(08:37):
money or career, but yourrelationships are suffering.
So that is the duality thatbecomes very practical for us,
going into the areas that areour support pillars, that need
the most work to build thefoundation for where we want to
go and how did you get to thatplace?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
because I love what you're talking about with
duality.
I mean, one of my spiritualmentors has said in the past
light cannot exist without darkyin and yang.
There's always duality, but wedon't know in our ego 3D mind
what the heck that even means.
So how do you get people tothat space and seeing that there
is a duality?
You can't just focus on justmoney or just this over here.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
My quickest exercise that I usually do with clients
and this is for my beginnerclients and usually when people
first get introduced to the workof duality is I tell them to
become okay with the shadows andnot the shadow work that we
know of, that we speak about inwhere we see it virally.
(09:41):
Instagram will have shadow work.
Youtube has shadow work.
No, the kind of shadow workthat I want people to start
recognizing is to voice thethings that they generally try
and push aside with the love andlight language that we use.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Spiritual bypassing 100%.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
And by voicing those shadows we start recognizing
that we're holding space for twopolarities.
So, for instance, I really,really, really want to have a
loving, thoughtful relationship,but the verbalization behind
that, beyond what we see inmanifestation of affirmations
and what they're repeating, theshadow side of that is I don't
(10:21):
actually like people in my spaceor I don't have the energy and
capacity for meeting new people.
That becomes a duality.
You're holding the twopolarities.
It's very simple.
It becomes very easy for peopleand I tell them to put on your
pessimistic glasses.
You know, in a lot of myworkshops that's one of my
favorite tools is physically puton a pair of glasses, like
(10:43):
we're in drama school.
Put them on and look at lifethrough the gringe and just be
miserable about it, becausethose belief systems that pop
out in that moment are still inyou.
Those four thoughts are yours.
They don't belong to anyoneelse because you're the one
thanking them, you're the onesaying them.
(11:04):
That's a powerful exercise it'sso bitter to swallow that pole
when you first in it, yeah, butthen from there it becomes kind
of this relief because it's nota thorn in the side anymore.
You can recognize it, you cansee it and say, oh okay, that's
how I really feel about things.
How can I shift from that?
And that's where dualitybecomes powerful.
(11:25):
It's not the shadow work of Ihave inner child wounding.
It's just being very frankabout what I feel about things,
without gaslighting myself aboutwhat I feel about things
without gaslighting myself.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, and it's that awareness piece is so crucial,
because we don't recognizesometimes that we have those
negative thoughts or beliefsuntil we do something like that.
And you mentioned shadow work.
I know there are listeners whoeither don't know what shadow
work is or we see it all overInstagram.
I help people do shadow workand people are like what on
earth is shadow work?
So do you mind telling us alittle bit about what even is a
(12:02):
shadow?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
So I'll tell you my interpretation of the shadow
that I've experienced in my life, because I find that a lot of
the practices that we're seeingon social media now isn't the
true spiritual practices thatexist.
Shadow work that I've comeacross it in my work over and
over and over again isrecognizing the traumas that we
(12:26):
have and seeing the wounds forwhat they are.
That is the shadow work.
We can say that ourex-boyfriend was a narcissist
and yet we might have tendenciesof narcissism or selfish
behaviors or limiting beliefsbecause of wounds within us.
And that is where shadow workcomes in.
(12:48):
It is looking at the side ofourselves that we generally feel
very uncomfortable with andthat generally we bury.
So the moment we have angerthat we're suppressing, that
becomes a shadow aspect of whowe are.
And one of my favorite proverbsand lessons that we learn in the
Chinese medicine modalitieswithin Acunect is that the
(13:10):
shadow can move.
We always look at it as ifyou're facing a mountain and
you're looking at the mountain,you see the sun rising on the
one side.
The opposite side isautomatically the shadow, but as
the sun reaches the apex thereis no more shadow, but once it
drops, the shadow shows, and soour shadows are always changing.
(13:31):
We can see that when we walkoutside and the sun hits our
bodies.
We always have shadows andthey're always changing.
So shadow work is just becomingaware of the power that these
wounds have.
It's becoming okay with thesewounds so that they don't
determine what comes next.
Because whether we're lookingat it from a spiritual point of
(13:52):
view or we're looking at itadded from a neurological point
of view, we have things calledneuroplasticity and these are
formed by our nervous systemwith fight or flight and freeze
and form responses as the worldchanges around us and with this
becomes a pattern, our dnastores for us to stay safe, and
(14:14):
that becomes shadow work as well.
It just gets a really spirituallabel to it instead of a very
practical survival mechanismthat we just have to look at and
remind our nervous system.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
It's not a danger to us, yeah that's a good way of
looking at it and this is aprime example of duality, I'm
guessing you know, because we'vegot the shadows, would you say,
for everything, like in everyaspect of our life,
relationships, money, do wecontinue to have some shadows?
Speaker 3 (14:47):
A hundred percent.
I have been doing this work aliteral lifetime and every time
I think that you know I fullyevolved.
there's another layer yeah newlevel, new double yeah and it
goes deeper and deeper and thenit's another layer of maybe
family stuff, belief systems or,you know, social conditioning
(15:11):
or, um, you know, somethinghappens and we don't realize
it's traumatic until anotherspoke of the wheel rolls in and
another angle of it hits it.
So, yeah, shadow work I don'tthink ever ends, because there's
always a new light to shine ona topic.
There is always a new level,there's always a new
understanding.
(15:31):
New understanding and that issomething that is deeply
ingrained in my practice andwithin my clients that I work
with is be okay with alwaysevolving.
There is never a end line.
So a lot of people ask me howmany sessions do I need?
And I'm like how many sessionsdo you feel you want?
Yeah, because that's thequestion, you know, is how how
(15:53):
much work do you feel you wantto invest in yourself?
There's no quick answer.
There's no quick tool.
It has to become an integratedlifestyle.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah, and that's the theme of our podcast.
I mean, it comes up in everyepisode of.
There's not an end point forhealing, it's an ongoing journey
.
You were put on this planet inthis lifetime to heal and that's
your journey.
That's what you're going tocontinue to do until you're gone
.
I think people don't like tohear that, but for me I do.
(16:26):
I know that's a part of mypurpose is to continue healing
and, like you said, shininglights on areas where, like, oh,
didn't see that one before.
Um, I'm curious.
Yeah, sorry, we interrupt eachother all the time on this
podcast.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
go ahead um, I think it fascinates me and that's part
of the duality teachings that Ihave as well is, you know, we
are so willing to watch the sameepisodes on tv over and over
again?
Yeah, but when it comes tohealing work, and someone tells
us that there's always work todo, we're kind of a little bit
(17:02):
like yeah don't we have to.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yeah, can I do something else?
Speaker 3 (17:08):
but but we're okay to binge watch something and we're
okay to watch the same rerunsand we're okay doing things like
that, but the moment it'ssomething very vulnerable.
It's almost like our societynorms have made it so
uncomfortable to be held in thatspace that it's something we
reject and it's.
(17:29):
It's always just veryfascinating to see how we have
those two, and I'm in there aswell.
Sometimes I'm like no, I'm notready for that, I'll go have a
nap instead, yeah, yeah, we'renot always ready for certain
things.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
And this brings up the idea of are we broken?
Because we're both sayingyou're constantly having to heal
, you're constantly needing towork through shadows and looking
at the duality.
How do you word it to someonewhen they come to you and just
think well, then I'm just broken, I have all these aspects of me
(18:02):
that aren't working.
Are we broken?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
We are not broken.
In Acunet it was probably oneof the most profound things that
I'd learned and it's a lessonthat I carry with me.
So when I discovered Acunet at17, you know, at that time of
life it's still very muchself-discovery.
You know we're still eventhough the whole your whole life
there's always a new level ofself-discovery.
(18:27):
But juggling, you know, I wentthrough a lot of bullying in
high school.
I went through a lot ofdifferent, not being able to
almost connect with otherstudents because I just had such
a different way of life and Iwas in a Christian school.
So being a spiritual child in aChristian school was very
(18:47):
challenging.
And, yeah, I can imagine, youknow I had to go through like
people speak about the witchwound online, but I had to go
through that in my reality.
People were calling me a witchin school and people were
bullying me for being differentand I had to go through that.
And when I discovered it, I hadthat same question.
(19:08):
I was like, no, I'm going to bea practitioner for this, but I
am.
I am I broken?
And the answer was and it'ssomething I now carry with me as
a lesson is, when we look atGod oneness universe, there is
no such thing as imperfection,it simply is.
And when we start a questionwith an acunate, when someone
(19:32):
comes to me and they've gotextreme fibromyalgia, they've
got cancer I recently had totreat a dog that was on the
verge of being euthanized and Ihad to do skin rejuvenation for
her we don't ask the question ofwhat can we fix.
We ask the body and the mindand the integrated healing there
(19:53):
what is ready to shift?
And that is the most powerfulquestion that I've learned,
because it takes away thepressure of I'm broken and it
moves it on to it is alreadyworking, but what is ready to
shift?
It's like when we're driving,the car isn't broken.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
If there's traffic, we just take a different route
yeah, and it's a much moreempowering way to look at it.
And and obviously I knew theanswer to that was no guys.
But but I have to say itbecause, especially those with
physical ailments, and whenyou've been dealing with, like
you said, fibromyalgia orsomething you've been dealing
with issues for so long, youstart to think that you're
(20:33):
broken.
Nothing else has worked for me.
So obviously this is it, andit's not what else needs to
shift, what needs to move rightnow.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Yeah, you know, I always think of you.
Know, if we had to be a pebbleor a leaf in a stream and there
was a dam being built by abeaver, the water would be
piling up.
We would be thinking, oh, we'rebroken because we can't move.
Meanwhile the beaver just builta dam and we need to go around
it.
Yeah, same thing, same thing,just different principles and I
(21:06):
find that that's a big lesson inmy teachings as well is just,
you know, sometimes putting ondifferent glasses.
And I tell my clients,especially if they wear glasses,
take your glasses off and putthem back on with a new
personality on it.
You know, because lookingthrough a different lens just
gives us a different perspectiveand different way of being able
to maneuver through a task.
(21:27):
That's why we have thesebeautiful communities and
corporate does that really well.
We have a brainstorming session.
Now imagine we applied that toeveryday life and we could be
like well, I'm stuck in thisproblem, let's brainstorm it,
let's gutstorm it, let'sheartstorm it.
And you know, see where we'refeeling different things,
(21:47):
intuiting different things,thinking different things and
finding new ways of dealing withwhatever.
We're going through throughthose new avenues.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah, we're going through, through those new
avenues.
Yeah, well, I'm curious forthose that are like okay, I know
I've got to start on thishealing journey.
I don't know where to start.
Besides the glasses, do youhave any advice for where
someone can start?
Speaker 3 (22:14):
breath work is definitely a big thing,
especially with so much of theworld being the way that it is.
Um, I know in america they hadthe california fires.
Now, um, in south africa we'vehad extreme weather.
In uk they've had rioting, andso anywhere in the world where
(22:35):
people are listening to this,you'll remember to breathe.
That is the first step tohealing and it is the most
underrated step to healing.
Great breathe um, I find myselfoften, you know, is my
shoulders are hunching forwardso we get less breath in.
You know, put your shouldersback consciously.
(22:57):
Remember to breathe consciously.
Becoming aware of breath andwhere it's sitting without
judgment, is the biggest firststep to healing.
Then put your glasses on, havefun with it when you're feeling
tense or stressed.
Figure out ways where, whenyou're starting your healing
journey of things that you'veforgotten, that you love to do,
(23:18):
and become playful with it againit's a big one.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
We, yeah, I feel like it comes up on several episodes
and back to the inner child andhaving fun like we forget to
have fun.
Just because you're an adultdoesn't mean that everything you
have to do is adulting.
Have fun.
You're here for reason and partof that healing journey is to
have joy in your life 100%.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
I don't know about many other people, but as a
child I loved playing groceriesand I've recently with them.
We're moving into a new spaceand I've had to clear out a lot
of boxes and I found a millionreceipts that I had written to
people and I was invoicing and Iwas loving life as a child, it
seems.
I was running my own littlerestaurant and so many of us as
(24:05):
children go through theseplaybooks, but then as adults we
find them as chores.
So that was something that Ihad to teach myself as well is,
you know, when we're children wewant to do those things, we
want to write invoices, we wantto play, do those things, we
want to write invoices.
We want to play business,business.
We want to play doctor, doctor,we want to be fake cooking and
(24:25):
making everyone tea parties, andyet as adults we kind of forget
that we had a joy in those andwe make them a chore.
So just making it more fun forourselves again is a big part of
healing.
The more joy we feel, the lesscumbersome life becomes.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
And the more we heal, the more we heal.
Awesome.
Well, for those that want tofind you, how will they do that?
Where can they find you?
Speaker 3 (24:56):
They can find me on my website.
So it's Asanak Healing.
It a s a n a k healingcom.
Um, it just had a beautifulrevamp.
So anyone watching this, if youcan comment on what you think
about the new, the new website,that would be great.
Um, and then I'm on facebook,instagram, linkedin not quite
(25:17):
figured out tiktok quite, butyou can find me on most of the
social media.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Wonderful.
Well, and these will all be inthe show notes, guys, you'll be
able to contact her and look herup in those ways, but thank you
, thank you for this beautifulconversation.
Thank you, kira.
All right, guys.
Well, you know where to find usnext episode.
We'll be here next week.
Come find us on Instagram, askus questions, share what you
(25:43):
want to hear about, and we'llsee you on the next episode.
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