August 14, 2025 • 23 mins
Have you ever noticed that your best insights come not when you're thinking harder, but when you finally stop thinking altogether? That seemingly paradoxical truth sits at the heart of this transformative conversation between hosts Denise and Kira as they tackle one of modern life's most pervasive challenges: our addiction to thinking.
The mind processes a staggering 60,000-70,000 thoughts daily, yet most of these thoughts are negatively biased reflections of our conditioning rather than helpful insights. When we're constantly overthinking, analyzing symptoms, researching solutions, and creating mental pros-and-cons lists, we're actually drowning out something far more valuable: our intuition and bodily wisdom.
"Your body doesn't speak English, it speaks in symptoms," Kira explains, highlighting the fundamental disconnect between our analytical minds and the more subtle language of intuition. This disconnect keeps many people stuck in chronic health issues and emotional suffering.
Whether you're navigating health challenges, making important life decisions, or simply seeking more peace in your daily experience, this episode provides both the understanding and practical tools to break free from the prison of overthinking. Start with just two minutes of presence each day and discover what wisdom awaits in the quiet spaces between your thoughts.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to the Heal Yourself Podcast, where we dive
deep into all things healing.
I'm Denise, a speech-languagepathologist and a self-love
coach for adults and teens.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
And I'm Kira, a traditional naturopath and
functional nutritionist, andwe're here to guide you through
the transformative process ofhealing your body, mind and soul
, from the latest in functionalmedicine of healing your body
mind and soul, from the latestin functional medicine to
nurturing your relationship withyourself, healing trauma and
even transforming your moneystory.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
we're here to empower you with the knowledge and
tools to create lasting change.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
So, whether you're looking to heal physically,
emotionally or spiritually, joinus as we explore the many paths
to wholeness and wellness.
Hey everyone, welcome back toanother episode of Heal Yourself
Podcast.
Today, denise and I are talkingabout how to stop thinking.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
She told me about this topic.
I'm like, uh, it's hard.
Okay, bye, we're done.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah, that's it.
Episode over.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Um, let us know if you're liking the video
situation, because we're doingvideos and now we're posting
them on YouTube.
I know, isn't this fancy?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
We'll figure it out.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I'm not here at the, at the beach, so don't be jelly.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, I love it, well , I mean.
So this is a funny topicbecause, honestly, the first
time I heard it from one of myspiritual mentors, I'm like what
do you mean to stop thinking?
Like we're supposed to bethinking all the time, like I
was always taught, like keepthinking, keep questioning.
And I'm I'm not saying we don'twant to think, we don't want to
question, but I feel like weare thinking too much, right,
(01:45):
like we try to think our way outof everything, like, oh, I've
got this symptom, what are thethings I can do?
Oh, let me think about this.
Okay, maybe there's anotherprotocol, there's another
supplement, or oh my gosh, okay,I'm going to Google it.
Or, you know, you like tojournal.
I'm feeling stuck, I'm justgoing to keep journaling and
journaling and journaling.
It's still all thinking andsometimes the peace, the inner
(02:08):
peace that we're always after,and the answers come through
fewer thoughts and silence andjust feeling.
And I'm just going to sharethis, because one of the things
that you sent it to me a whileback but Wayne Dyer has a
meditation and it's called the Gor something like that, you
know, and it's it's everythinglies in the space between those
(02:30):
thoughts are in the gap.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah, I love that meditation.
I think it's called Joppa orsomething.
I think your book is getting inthe in the gap, but it's a Joppa
meditation and I feel like um II'm not I'm sure he talks about
like who taught him that, causehe wasn't the one who created.
Obviously it's like an ancienttype of meditation, but I love
how he does it very simply.
So it's really cool.
(02:53):
Like, if you ever want to tryit, it is um on YouTube, just
look up Wayne Dyer Japameditation and he goes through
the our father one, the first 10words of the our father.
Um, Just also as a reminder.
I mean we have, I mean ashumans, we have at least 60 to
70,000 thoughts per day.
That's basically one thoughtper second.
And if you're literally goingto entertain every single one of
(03:15):
them, that's why we are sooccupied in our mind.
That's why sometimes, likedon't you feel?
Sometimes you see people likeyou're too much in your head
because they're too much intothese thoughts and and then not
all the thought, like some, somethoughts are are sometimes.
And also another thing, becausewe're gonna, we talk about
spiritually, we are a collectiveright, so sometimes not every
thought is yours and not everythought is is true and most
(03:40):
aren't, most aren't.
Most.
Actually, most of our thoughtsare negatively biased based on
our conditioning.
So what I have, um and I mean Icartola talks about it is
getting into the present moment.
So what I have been doing,because you know, remember in
the past like we, we wouldlisten to these things and some
people would say, you know,observe them like clouds or
whatever.
But that's truly the work thatyou need to do, right?
(04:04):
So you have 60, 70, 000thoughts.
You can't really control all ofthem, you can't even so, it's
kind of like you know, like youtruly want to view them.
Okay.
So I mean, this thought came in, wait a minute, that's negative
bias or that's like that'swhere did that come from?
Kind of like talk to yourselfthrough the, through it and then
just observe it going like acloud.
Because what, what happens Ifeel with most people, kira, and
(04:25):
correct me if I'm wrong what wedo is we take this thought and
it's like ooh, it triggers theego and it's like ha, and I keep
going down with it, and thisthought triggers another and
another, and then you'retriggering emotions and then
those emotions triggeringactions, and now we're all, like
you know, having anxiety andyou know stuff like that.
You know having anxiety and youknow stuff like that.
So I, what I have been doing is, I mean, getting into the
(04:49):
breath is really important, butjust kind of not even
questioning the thought, justimmediately like, wait, you're a
cloud, just go.
I don't have to entertain you,let's keep going and let's think
of the present moment.
I know it's not easy, I get it,but everything we tell you it
requires you putting in theeffort and putting in the work.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Well, and I view thoughts as twofold too.
There's thoughts, like you said, of like the ones that go
through our mind constantly,right, like there's that mental
chatter, and there's also youwanting to make a decision or do
something and you have to thinkthrough it.
There's a time and a place.
But think about this, right.
(05:23):
What's the irony of that?
Ponder this chew on this,whatever we want to say right
now.
But just imagine that you're ina room and it's chaotic and
there's like hundreds of peoplein there and it's just noise
everywhere.
How are you going to thinkthrough what you want to do next
with all of that noise?
It's hard, it's the same thing,when you're always in your mind
(05:44):
and you have all of thesethoughts going back and forth
and you're like do I do this?
Do I do that?
Do I write out a list of notesto figure out?
We can't even trust ourintuition, and this is one of
the things that I tell myclients when it comes to healing
think less, like truly, youcannot feel into your body and
(06:04):
tap into the intuition and hearwhat your body is asking for.
If you're like well, I don'tknow what to do next.
What do you think I should dono, no, no, no, no.
What does your body feel?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
and also the heart, right?
So I feel, because the mind is,the analytical brain will find,
I mean, we are very smart,right, and our analytical brain
will definitely find the excusesand the reasons why we're
thinking this thought, no, no,no, it's true, this, whatever.
But when you go truly into yourheart, into your body and I
feel that I'm so glad youmentioned that because our body
(06:39):
is more like, the messages weget from the body and the
messages we get from the heartare way more important than the
messages we get from here, right?
So, yes, of course, if you havea decision, but even sometimes,
like, even if you have adecision to think through,
sometimes just stepping awayfrom the analytical thinking and
then taking 10 minutes ofgetting in the gap or taking 10
(07:01):
minutes of just breathing andbeing in silence might bring you
some clarity, or you know, butI mean truly, truly, truly, you
like everything we're saying.
It's a practice, like even theintuition.
If you haven't been listeningto your body, if you haven't
been, um, listening to intuition, or you don't even know what
that is, that's something thatrequires practice as well.
So I mean also tapping, likewhy does my body feel this way?
(07:26):
You know, just kind of like,take a moment.
And sometimes people just say Idon't have the moment, but
really like, but you have timefor, but wait a minute, but you
have time for all the thoughtsthat are coming right.
So it's really important tojust also understand that your
body's messages and yourintuitions, they come from the
body and from the heart, notfrom here.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I actually, I made a post yesterday on Facebook and I
just said the body doesn'tspeak English, it speaks in
symptoms.
And that's the thing is, peopleyou're trying to have two
different languages when you'remaking decisions, when you're
talking to your body, whatever,right, like you've got the mind
chatter that's going on and allthese thoughts of can I analyze
(08:11):
this situation?
And sometimes you can, butthat's the problem.
People that are overlyanalytical get into trouble
because they're not tapping intotheir intuition, which is the
higher self, and those arealways going to be the better
answers than, oh my gosh.
I'm just going to write allthis out.
I've got a pros and cons listand where's this going to take
me, and that doesn't serve you.
On top of that, a lot of peoplethat are dealing with I'm just
(08:35):
going to go back to like chronichealth issues.
Right, this is what puts thebody in fight or flight when you
can't shut the mind off, likeit's nervous system overdrive,
because you've got all of thesethoughts, like you said, an
insane amount every day.
We already know from researchmost of those are negative
thoughts.
They're not positive thoughts,and then you're already in that
(08:56):
negative spiral.
You're trying to analyze well,what's my next best step.
And oh, why am I not feelinggood?
Should I do this lab or thislab or take the supplement?
Let me get on Google, let mehire another practitioner, and
you've got this false sense ofcontrol of like, no, I'm doing
something.
I'm really doing something formy health.
Let's be real.
We have no control.
That should be a whole episode.
(09:18):
We have no control overanything in our lives.
I'm sorry to tell you guys that, but we don't.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
And you got to start practicing all this right?
I am going to give an exampleabout something that happened
with me recently and I totallyignored my body, totally ignored
my body.
I'm not going to go into thedetails, but anyway.
So I was in a situation wheremy body was telling me get out
of the situation, get out of thesituation several times.
And what did I do?
I betrayed myself and I used myanalytical brain oh, no, no, no
(09:51):
, it could happen.
This, this, this, and big shithappened that I had to deal with
for a good few weeks.
Mean, thank god it was resolved.
Hopefully I haven't heard aboutit anymore, but I mean it was a
big shit, something that has Iwould never have imagined going
through after all these years,uh, you know, being 46, and I
mean it was, it was, um, butthat's because I and after that
(10:15):
incident it showed me that don'tyou, don't you dare, don't you
dare.
And I even like, was like, onceyour body, like, is going out
of that situation, and I try toteach that to my child, to my
children Like, don't get in thecar.
If your body's going like,don't get in the car, don't go
(10:36):
to that party, because you knowyour body remembers your body.
Your body has way more wisdomthan your analytical mind.
Right, the analytical mind isthe brain is there to help you
survive.
Right, however, we're notrunning after you know tigers or
tigers running after usnowadays.
Right, so it is it's, and themind doesn't understand, it
(10:58):
doesn't differentiate betweenyou know, like you running for
your life from an animal orwhatever and a, you know, a
stressful event.
So that's why it's reallyimportant to, in order to stop
the thinking or be more peaceful, it's really important to start
(11:18):
training your body.
Right, understanding, like evenspending a few minutes training
your body, right, understanding,like even spending a few
minutes.
You know, kind of like, wheredo I feel this Like?
Why is this happening?
Sometimes, when I get like alittle bit in my like anxiety or
something, and I start takingdeep breaths like where this is
coming from, or I just kind oflike calm myself down and say I
am safe or whatever, becausethat could be a thought that was
just triggered and I didn'trealize what it is.
(11:39):
But now I'm trying to feel itmore into my body versus
analyzing it here, because youare going to find the reasons,
you are going to find theexcuses.
You are going to findeverything in the book to betray
your body.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, which goes back to last episode by the guys.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah, yeah, truly, truly.
So.
It's all a practice and we'renot going to stop the thinking,
but we're going to not engagewith it, kind of like, you know,
like a conversation with afriend, right, like someone
you're talking to and they drainyour energy.
You don't want to talk to them,right, but you want to.
You know like don't, so don'tengage in that conversation in
(12:16):
here.
That's really not serving you,because all it's doing sometimes
it's fueling the ego.
But if you come into the heart,you come into your body, you're
gonna let go of that egobecause the heart holds the.
You know the true soul that weare, the love, because deep down
we are love and unconditionallove.
It's just the facade and themask that we put on the outside,
(12:37):
and everything that we'resaying, everything that we're
saying, requires practice.
Nothing comes without practice,practice, practice.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah, and the other thing I want to say is sometimes
making those hard decisionsright, because I know there's
probably people listening whoare like okay, but what, I have
a decision to make or I need todecide on something, whatever, I
need to think it through.
Okay, that's what we alwayshear people.
Let me think on it, let methink on it overnight, or let me
(13:09):
talk to so-and-so, let me writeout a pros and cons list.
Sometimes the best answers comein that silence, when we'd
stopped thinking about it.
And I know you gave an exampleof something else, of not
engaging with thoughts, but Iwant to give an example.
I don't think I've shared thison the podcast.
So we lived in Las Vegas and myhusband woke up one night and
(13:32):
was like I think we're supposedto move, and I trusted his
intuition on that and we reallythought we were going to go to
Boise.
We loved Boise, we went, weflew there, we visited, we fell
in love and we're like, yes,this feels amazing, but our
house wasn't selling.
Now, logically, I could havegone down a whole host of things
.
I could have written stuff downLike we have a decision to make
(13:55):
.
What do we do about this?
I did not get into my head.
I said whatever is going tohappen is going to happen.
I trust.
Like I let go, I'm freeing thethoughts, because I could go
into so many different spiralsabout the house not selling.
Maybe we're not supposed to gothere, what about this?
And same thing.
I woke up one morning after notthinking about it and said to
(14:18):
my husband what if we'resupposed to go to Austin and not
Boise?
And again, instead of sittingand making pros, cons lists or
really talking it through, wekind of trusted each other on
this.
But it was also again gettingout of the thinking mind and
tapping into the intuition andsaying it's going to come, it's
(14:38):
going to come to us.
And so that's when I said youknow what, if our house sells in
the next 24 hours, like if weget an offer on the house, we're
going to Austin.
And guess what we had threeoffers come in in 24 hours, no
joke, After sitting and notnothing.
(15:00):
And then again I could havegotten into that thinking mind
of oh my gosh, what are we goingto do?
What are we going to do forwork?
Where are we going to live?
We just trusted.
So this is multiple lessons foryou guys in one.
It's a lesson in turning offthe thoughts.
It's a lesson in refocusing themind if the thoughts aren't
serving you.
It's a lesson in trusting.
(15:20):
It's a lesson of letting go.
There's a lot in here todissect, but it all goes back to
the thoughts, the thinking.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah, and I mean you said it like you know silence.
And another thing if you'restarting with this and you're
starting to practice this, I getit, it could be difficult at
the beginning, so I cannotreiterate the walking.
So, from just last week'sepisode, everything is walking
and I'm not saying, you know, Imean, even if you're just
literally walking, like let'snot make this hard, you know,
(15:52):
just walking around yourneighborhood or walking around,
you know, outside at work, um,automatically the walking will
like lower your thinking.
I feel like the thoughts youknow go away, and but I don't
know, I like, cause I love thewalk and talk, cause I call it
my, my walking meditation.
So that could be your also,your meditation while you're
(16:13):
walking, and it just kind oflike calms down the analytical
mind because you know it'sreally important to just tap
into the body, like I cannot saythat enough especially,
especially especially, if you'resomeone who has had their
nervous system dysregulated fora lot of years right, or someone
who's had trauma or who'ssomeone who's been through a lot
(16:36):
.
You know your brain and yourmind will definitely, definitely
find all of the excuses in theworld, but your body is has way
more wisdom than you, than yougive it.
So just and I'm not just sayinglike you know, like okay, I,
you know, I I going to talkabout the symptoms and
everything, and you mentionedthe symptoms, but it's just like
(16:58):
those, just this whisper.
It's sometimes coming from thebody you know and just kind of
like, and then just follow itand you know, get that inspired
action.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
And that's one thing I want to say too is sometimes,
when people are like I don'tknow how to listen, your body's
not literally going to saysomething to you.
No one came down from theheavens and said, move to Austin
to me, just like I don't thinkanyone came down and told you
what to do.
It doesn't work like that.
Like my body didn't suddenlysay, like you have a headache
because you're dehydrated,you're just shutting down some
(17:29):
of those thoughts.
You know what I mean that themore you can do that and the
more you can get into thispractice and Like denise said, I
love walking, I love being innature.
I don't care what you guys pick.
Find something that works foryou, that calms that mind,
chatter down, but the more youcan do that, the more your
intuition will strengthen.
(17:49):
So if you're someone right nowwho's like I don't know I don't
hear any signs from anythingLike I don't, my body is not
talking to me, nothing.
Give it time, keep followingthis practice and eventually
you're going to start to hearsome of those whispers come back
that you've, you know, justkind of tuned out.
You got to tune into the rightradio station.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Exactly Tune into the right radio station, and it's
just also the breath.
The breath, the breathing, youknow, know anything.
Or the slowing, the slowingdown, the no rushing.
Yesterday I saw a quick littlevideo about, um, you know, some
old italian men like sayingabout, like the no hurrying, the
no rushing.
You know everybody's rushingand hurrying and we want to get
here and get there, but, um,it's really important to.
(18:32):
I mean, we're giving you thetools, but at the the end of the
day, like you said, you are it,you are the miracle, you are
your own savior.
No one is going to come andtell you okay, this, this,
whatever.
And then also there are there'sthe acceptance of I am where I
am at this right place at thedivine time, and whatever you
(18:53):
want to call it collapsing time.
We're going to talk about thatlater, some other time, but you
know what I'm trying to say.
Like everything does requirepractice.
So let's did we talk about whywe're addicted to thinking,
though?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Because like the nervous system that's a big
piece and the sense of controlthat we don't have control.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, yeah, and I feel like it's just exactly one
that we want to, um, just grabthat control and we just want to
keep going, and going and going, and one thought justifies the
other, and the other, and theother, and the next thing.
You know it, we're addicted tothat loop.
I don't know if you, if youhave people in your life that
constantly say I'm constantlythinking, my brain doesn't shut
down.
Well, that's not a good quality, my friend it's not that is not
(19:34):
a good quality, my friend, it'snot.
That is not a good quality, likewhen someone tells me like oh,
my brain doesn't shut down.
I'm constantly thinking, I'mlike, gotta work on that
Especially also remember.
That's why sometimes people, alot of people, wake up with
anxiety, wake up with negativityand wake up with like
depression.
Why?
Because you are waking up withthe thoughts you're having the
previous day.
So if you're not taking alsotime at night to, you know, have
(19:57):
this quick night time routine.
Where you are, you know,speaking positively to yourself
or you are doing some breathwork and getting into the
present moment, you are going towake up with the thoughts you
slept with right or, for example, someone you know falling
asleep on the couch watching youknow whether crime shows or
like the news or something, Imean guess what.
You are going to wake up, um,you know, with all with, with,
(20:20):
with the anxiety, because youslept with the news from the day
before and then it ain't good.
Yeah, yeah, I know we'renearing the end.
What is some action steps thatwe want to talk about?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I mean again, it's the same thing.
I always tell my clients findsomething that works for you,
right?
I love walking, you lovewalking.
I've been walking now for awhile.
Maybe you're not a walker, ormaybe it's hot as hell and you
don't want to go outside.
That's okay.
But find something that allowsyou to quiet the mind and find
something, like Denise said,that brings you into the present
(20:51):
moment, and the easiest thingyou have for that are your
senses.
That brings you into thepresent moment and the easiest
thing you have for that are yoursenses.
Meaning even if you say twominutes, I can commit to two
minutes every single day to bepresent.
You can sit and stare at thewall that's being present, look
at the colors, feel the wall getthe texture, what do you smell,
(21:14):
what do you hear around you?
Speaker 1 (21:14):
That's it Two minutes for for presence.
Or it can be doing when you'redoing your tour, like if you're
like if you're washing thedishes.
So if you don't want to sitlike, I get it, like you know,
maybe you some, you're very busy.
It could be through washing thedishes, feeling the feeling,
brushing your teeth, exactly.
It could be through all of thedaily activities committing to
like, instead of while you'rebrushing your teeth, instead of
thinking of the 500 things youhave to do, just slow yourself
(21:37):
down and you know like, exactly,feel the motions.
You know like, oh, I'm brushingmy teeth now.
I feel the water, the water,great, that's you know it sounds
cheesy, but it works.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
It does work.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
It's one of the calm things, but that's not another
thing.
Yes, cheesy, but that's notanother thing.
Yes, cheesy, but that's that'spractice, right.
Or it could be the breath right.
If someone's like, oh, I don'twant to do this, you know, I
don't want to enjoy my mashingthe dishes and doing laundry,
you can also commit to twominutes or three minutes of deep
breathing, you know, gettinginto your heart, holding, like
you know, kira and I, always,always, always, before we start
(22:10):
the podcast, we put our hand onour heart and we do an hand on
our belly and we do a few deepbreaths.
Because what are we teachingour body?
What do we tell our body?
You are safe, we're here foryou, right?
So, because that's that's ourbody is the most, it's our
vehicle, it's what's carrying usthroughout our lifetime.
So it's really important toalso remind it that yo, I'm here
(22:31):
for you, I'm gonna slow youdown so just discover what works
for you.
But we're giving you the easiesttools because, guess what?
You and I are super busy.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah as well, got to be simple stuff.
Yes, ma'am.
Okay guys, now go, shut yourmind up.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I know, shut it, don't collapse that.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Go quiet the mind.
But yeah, thank you guys.
As always, we appreciatefeedback and comments on our
Instagram and reviews andsharing it with a friend and all
the things.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yes, please share this episode at least with a
friend who might need it.
If someone tells you all thetime I'm thinking all the time,
maybe they can benefit from thisso for sure.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Thank you, we'll see you on the next episode.
Welcome to the Heal Yourself Podcast, where we dive
deep into all things healing.
I'm Denise, a speech-languagepathologist and a self-love
coach for adults and teens.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
And I'm Kira, a traditional naturopath and
functional nutritionist, andwe're here to guide you through
the transformative process ofhealing your body, mind and soul
, from the latest in functionalmedicine of healing your body
mind and soul, from the latestin functional medicine to
nurturing your relationship withyourself, healing trauma and
even transforming your moneystory.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
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tools to create lasting change.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
So, whether you're looking to heal physically,
emotionally or spiritually, joinus as we explore the many paths
to wholeness and wellness.
Hey everyone, welcome back toanother episode of Heal Yourself
Podcast.
Today, denise and I are talkingabout how to stop thinking.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
She told me about this topic.
I'm like, uh, it's hard.
Okay, bye, we're done.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah, that's it.
Episode over.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Um, let us know if you're liking the video
situation, because we're doingvideos and now we're posting
them on YouTube.
I know, isn't this fancy?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
We'll figure it out.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I'm not here at the, at the beach, so don't be jelly.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, I love it, well , I mean.
So this is a funny topicbecause, honestly, the first
time I heard it from one of myspiritual mentors, I'm like what
do you mean to stop thinking?
Like we're supposed to bethinking all the time, like I
was always taught, like keepthinking, keep questioning.
And I'm I'm not saying we don'twant to think, we don't want to
question, but I feel like weare thinking too much, right,
(01:45):
like we try to think our way outof everything, like, oh, I've
got this symptom, what are thethings I can do?
Oh, let me think about this.
Okay, maybe there's anotherprotocol, there's another
supplement, or oh my gosh, okay,I'm going to Google it.
Or, you know, you like tojournal.
I'm feeling stuck, I'm justgoing to keep journaling and
journaling and journaling.
It's still all thinking andsometimes the peace, the inner
(02:08):
peace that we're always after,and the answers come through
fewer thoughts and silence andjust feeling.
And I'm just going to sharethis, because one of the things
that you sent it to me a whileback but Wayne Dyer has a
meditation and it's called the Gor something like that, you
know, and it's it's everythinglies in the space between those
(02:30):
thoughts are in the gap.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah, I love that meditation.
I think it's called Joppa orsomething.
I think your book is getting inthe in the gap, but it's a Joppa
meditation and I feel like um II'm not I'm sure he talks about
like who taught him that, causehe wasn't the one who created.
Obviously it's like an ancienttype of meditation, but I love
how he does it very simply.
So it's really cool.
(02:53):
Like, if you ever want to tryit, it is um on YouTube, just
look up Wayne Dyer Japameditation and he goes through
the our father one, the first 10words of the our father.
Um, Just also as a reminder.
I mean we have, I mean ashumans, we have at least 60 to
70,000 thoughts per day.
That's basically one thoughtper second.
And if you're literally goingto entertain every single one of
(03:15):
them, that's why we are sooccupied in our mind.
That's why sometimes, likedon't you feel?
Sometimes you see people likeyou're too much in your head
because they're too much intothese thoughts and and then not
all the thought, like some, somethoughts are are sometimes.
And also another thing, becausewe're gonna, we talk about
spiritually, we are a collectiveright, so sometimes not every
thought is yours and not everythought is is true and most
(03:40):
aren't, most aren't.
Most.
Actually, most of our thoughtsare negatively biased based on
our conditioning.
So what I have, um and I mean Icartola talks about it is
getting into the present moment.
So what I have been doing,because you know, remember in
the past like we, we wouldlisten to these things and some
people would say, you know,observe them like clouds or
whatever.
But that's truly the work thatyou need to do, right?
(04:04):
So you have 60, 70, 000thoughts.
You can't really control all ofthem, you can't even so, it's
kind of like you know, like youtruly want to view them.
Okay.
So I mean, this thought came in, wait a minute, that's negative
bias or that's like that'swhere did that come from?
Kind of like talk to yourselfthrough the, through it and then
just observe it going like acloud.
Because what, what happens Ifeel with most people, kira, and
(04:25):
correct me if I'm wrong what wedo is we take this thought and
it's like ooh, it triggers theego and it's like ha, and I keep
going down with it, and thisthought triggers another and
another, and then you'retriggering emotions and then
those emotions triggeringactions, and now we're all, like
you know, having anxiety andyou know stuff like that.
You know having anxiety and youknow stuff like that.
So I, what I have been doing is, I mean, getting into the
(04:49):
breath is really important, butjust kind of not even
questioning the thought, justimmediately like, wait, you're a
cloud, just go.
I don't have to entertain you,let's keep going and let's think
of the present moment.
I know it's not easy, I get it,but everything we tell you it
requires you putting in theeffort and putting in the work.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Well, and I view thoughts as twofold too.
There's thoughts, like you said, of like the ones that go
through our mind constantly,right, like there's that mental
chatter, and there's also youwanting to make a decision or do
something and you have to thinkthrough it.
There's a time and a place.
But think about this, right.
(05:23):
What's the irony of that?
Ponder this chew on this,whatever we want to say right
now.
But just imagine that you're ina room and it's chaotic and
there's like hundreds of peoplein there and it's just noise
everywhere.
How are you going to thinkthrough what you want to do next
with all of that noise?
It's hard, it's the same thing,when you're always in your mind
(05:44):
and you have all of thesethoughts going back and forth
and you're like do I do this?
Do I do that?
Do I write out a list of notesto figure out?
We can't even trust ourintuition, and this is one of
the things that I tell myclients when it comes to healing
think less, like truly, youcannot feel into your body and
(06:04):
tap into the intuition and hearwhat your body is asking for.
If you're like well, I don'tknow what to do next.
What do you think I should dono, no, no, no, no.
What does your body feel?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
and also the heart, right?
So I feel, because the mind is,the analytical brain will find,
I mean, we are very smart,right, and our analytical brain
will definitely find the excusesand the reasons why we're
thinking this thought, no, no,no, it's true, this, whatever.
But when you go truly into yourheart, into your body and I
feel that I'm so glad youmentioned that because our body
(06:39):
is more like, the messages weget from the body and the
messages we get from the heartare way more important than the
messages we get from here, right?
So, yes, of course, if you havea decision, but even sometimes,
like, even if you have adecision to think through,
sometimes just stepping awayfrom the analytical thinking and
then taking 10 minutes ofgetting in the gap or taking 10
(07:01):
minutes of just breathing andbeing in silence might bring you
some clarity, or you know, butI mean truly, truly, truly, you
like everything we're saying.
It's a practice, like even theintuition.
If you haven't been listeningto your body, if you haven't
been, um, listening to intuition, or you don't even know what
that is, that's something thatrequires practice as well.
So I mean also tapping, likewhy does my body feel this way?
(07:26):
You know, just kind of like,take a moment.
And sometimes people just say Idon't have the moment, but
really like, but you have timefor, but wait a minute, but you
have time for all the thoughtsthat are coming right.
So it's really important tojust also understand that your
body's messages and yourintuitions, they come from the
body and from the heart, notfrom here.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I actually, I made a post yesterday on Facebook and I
just said the body doesn'tspeak English, it speaks in
symptoms.
And that's the thing is, peopleyou're trying to have two
different languages when you'remaking decisions, when you're
talking to your body, whatever,right, like you've got the mind
chatter that's going on and allthese thoughts of can I analyze
(08:11):
this situation?
And sometimes you can, butthat's the problem.
People that are overlyanalytical get into trouble
because they're not tapping intotheir intuition, which is the
higher self, and those arealways going to be the better
answers than, oh my gosh.
I'm just going to write allthis out.
I've got a pros and cons listand where's this going to take
me, and that doesn't serve you.
On top of that, a lot of peoplethat are dealing with I'm just
(08:35):
going to go back to like chronichealth issues.
Right, this is what puts thebody in fight or flight when you
can't shut the mind off, likeit's nervous system overdrive,
because you've got all of thesethoughts, like you said, an
insane amount every day.
We already know from researchmost of those are negative
thoughts.
They're not positive thoughts,and then you're already in that
(08:56):
negative spiral.
You're trying to analyze well,what's my next best step.
And oh, why am I not feelinggood?
Should I do this lab or thislab or take the supplement?
Let me get on Google, let mehire another practitioner, and
you've got this false sense ofcontrol of like, no, I'm doing
something.
I'm really doing something formy health.
Let's be real.
We have no control.
That should be a whole episode.
(09:18):
We have no control overanything in our lives.
I'm sorry to tell you guys that, but we don't.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
And you got to start practicing all this right?
I am going to give an exampleabout something that happened
with me recently and I totallyignored my body, totally ignored
my body.
I'm not going to go into thedetails, but anyway.
So I was in a situation wheremy body was telling me get out
of the situation, get out of thesituation several times.
And what did I do?
I betrayed myself and I used myanalytical brain oh, no, no, no
(09:51):
, it could happen.
This, this, this, and big shithappened that I had to deal with
for a good few weeks.
Mean, thank god it was resolved.
Hopefully I haven't heard aboutit anymore, but I mean it was a
big shit, something that has Iwould never have imagined going
through after all these years,uh, you know, being 46, and I
mean it was, it was, um, butthat's because I and after that
(10:15):
incident it showed me that don'tyou, don't you dare, don't you
dare.
And I even like, was like, onceyour body, like, is going out
of that situation, and I try toteach that to my child, to my
children Like, don't get in thecar.
If your body's going like,don't get in the car, don't go
(10:36):
to that party, because you knowyour body remembers your body.
Your body has way more wisdomthan your analytical mind.
Right, the analytical mind isthe brain is there to help you
survive.
Right, however, we're notrunning after you know tigers or
tigers running after usnowadays.
Right, so it is it's, and themind doesn't understand, it
(10:58):
doesn't differentiate betweenyou know, like you running for
your life from an animal orwhatever and a, you know, a
stressful event.
So that's why it's reallyimportant to, in order to stop
the thinking or be more peaceful, it's really important to start
(11:18):
training your body.
Right, understanding, like evenspending a few minutes training
your body, right, understanding,like even spending a few
minutes.
You know, kind of like, wheredo I feel this Like?
Why is this happening?
Sometimes, when I get like alittle bit in my like anxiety or
something, and I start takingdeep breaths like where this is
coming from, or I just kind oflike calm myself down and say I
am safe or whatever, becausethat could be a thought that was
just triggered and I didn'trealize what it is.
(11:39):
But now I'm trying to feel itmore into my body versus
analyzing it here, because youare going to find the reasons,
you are going to find theexcuses.
You are going to findeverything in the book to betray
your body.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, which goes back to last episode by the guys.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah, yeah, truly, truly.
So.
It's all a practice and we'renot going to stop the thinking,
but we're going to not engagewith it, kind of like, you know,
like a conversation with afriend, right, like someone
you're talking to and they drainyour energy.
You don't want to talk to them,right, but you want to.
You know like don't, so don'tengage in that conversation in
(12:16):
here.
That's really not serving you,because all it's doing sometimes
it's fueling the ego.
But if you come into the heart,you come into your body, you're
gonna let go of that egobecause the heart holds the.
You know the true soul that weare, the love, because deep down
we are love and unconditionallove.
It's just the facade and themask that we put on the outside,
(12:37):
and everything that we'resaying, everything that we're
saying, requires practice.
Nothing comes without practice,practice, practice.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah, and the other thing I want to say is sometimes
making those hard decisionsright, because I know there's
probably people listening whoare like okay, but what, I have
a decision to make or I need todecide on something, whatever, I
need to think it through.
Okay, that's what we alwayshear people.
Let me think on it, let methink on it overnight, or let me
(13:09):
talk to so-and-so, let me writeout a pros and cons list.
Sometimes the best answers comein that silence, when we'd
stopped thinking about it.
And I know you gave an exampleof something else, of not
engaging with thoughts, but Iwant to give an example.
I don't think I've shared thison the podcast.
So we lived in Las Vegas and myhusband woke up one night and
(13:32):
was like I think we're supposedto move, and I trusted his
intuition on that and we reallythought we were going to go to
Boise.
We loved Boise, we went, weflew there, we visited, we fell
in love and we're like, yes,this feels amazing, but our
house wasn't selling.
Now, logically, I could havegone down a whole host of things
.
I could have written stuff downLike we have a decision to make
(13:55):
.
What do we do about this?
I did not get into my head.
I said whatever is going tohappen is going to happen.
I trust.
Like I let go, I'm freeing thethoughts, because I could go
into so many different spiralsabout the house not selling.
Maybe we're not supposed to gothere, what about this?
And same thing.
I woke up one morning after notthinking about it and said to
(14:18):
my husband what if we'resupposed to go to Austin and not
Boise?
And again, instead of sittingand making pros, cons lists or
really talking it through, wekind of trusted each other on
this.
But it was also again gettingout of the thinking mind and
tapping into the intuition andsaying it's going to come, it's
(14:38):
going to come to us.
And so that's when I said youknow what, if our house sells in
the next 24 hours, like if weget an offer on the house, we're
going to Austin.
And guess what we had threeoffers come in in 24 hours, no
joke, After sitting and notnothing.
(15:00):
And then again I could havegotten into that thinking mind
of oh my gosh, what are we goingto do?
What are we going to do forwork?
Where are we going to live?
We just trusted.
So this is multiple lessons foryou guys in one.
It's a lesson in turning offthe thoughts.
It's a lesson in refocusing themind if the thoughts aren't
serving you.
It's a lesson in trusting.
(15:20):
It's a lesson of letting go.
There's a lot in here todissect, but it all goes back to
the thoughts, the thinking.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah, and I mean you said it like you know silence.
And another thing if you'restarting with this and you're
starting to practice this, I getit, it could be difficult at
the beginning, so I cannotreiterate the walking.
So, from just last week'sepisode, everything is walking
and I'm not saying, you know, Imean, even if you're just
literally walking, like let'snot make this hard, you know,
(15:52):
just walking around yourneighborhood or walking around,
you know, outside at work, um,automatically the walking will
like lower your thinking.
I feel like the thoughts youknow go away, and but I don't
know, I like, cause I love thewalk and talk, cause I call it
my, my walking meditation.
So that could be your also,your meditation while you're
(16:13):
walking, and it just kind oflike calms down the analytical
mind because you know it'sreally important to just tap
into the body, like I cannot saythat enough especially,
especially especially, if you'resomeone who has had their
nervous system dysregulated fora lot of years right, or someone
who's had trauma or who'ssomeone who's been through a lot
(16:36):
.
You know your brain and yourmind will definitely, definitely
find all of the excuses in theworld, but your body is has way
more wisdom than you, than yougive it.
So just and I'm not just sayinglike you know, like okay, I,
you know, I I going to talkabout the symptoms and
everything, and you mentionedthe symptoms, but it's just like
(16:58):
those, just this whisper.
It's sometimes coming from thebody you know and just kind of
like, and then just follow itand you know, get that inspired
action.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
And that's one thing I want to say too is sometimes,
when people are like I don'tknow how to listen, your body's
not literally going to saysomething to you.
No one came down from theheavens and said, move to Austin
to me, just like I don't thinkanyone came down and told you
what to do.
It doesn't work like that.
Like my body didn't suddenlysay, like you have a headache
because you're dehydrated,you're just shutting down some
(17:29):
of those thoughts.
You know what I mean that themore you can do that and the
more you can get into thispractice and Like denise said, I
love walking, I love being innature.
I don't care what you guys pick.
Find something that works foryou, that calms that mind,
chatter down, but the more youcan do that, the more your
intuition will strengthen.
(17:49):
So if you're someone right nowwho's like I don't know I don't
hear any signs from anythingLike I don't, my body is not
talking to me, nothing.
Give it time, keep followingthis practice and eventually
you're going to start to hearsome of those whispers come back
that you've, you know, justkind of tuned out.
You got to tune into the rightradio station.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Exactly Tune into the right radio station, and it's
just also the breath.
The breath, the breathing, youknow, know anything.
Or the slowing, the slowingdown, the no rushing.
Yesterday I saw a quick littlevideo about, um, you know, some
old italian men like sayingabout, like the no hurrying, the
no rushing.
You know everybody's rushingand hurrying and we want to get
here and get there, but, um,it's really important to.
(18:32):
I mean, we're giving you thetools, but at the the end of the
day, like you said, you are it,you are the miracle, you are
your own savior.
No one is going to come andtell you okay, this, this,
whatever.
And then also there are there'sthe acceptance of I am where I
am at this right place at thedivine time, and whatever you
(18:53):
want to call it collapsing time.
We're going to talk about thatlater, some other time, but you
know what I'm trying to say.
Like everything does requirepractice.
So let's did we talk about whywe're addicted to thinking,
though?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Because like the nervous system that's a big
piece and the sense of controlthat we don't have control.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, yeah, and I feel like it's just exactly one
that we want to, um, just grabthat control and we just want to
keep going, and going and going, and one thought justifies the
other, and the other, and theother, and the next thing.
You know it, we're addicted tothat loop.
I don't know if you, if youhave people in your life that
constantly say I'm constantlythinking, my brain doesn't shut
down.
Well, that's not a good quality, my friend it's not that is not
(19:34):
a good quality, my friend, it'snot.
That is not a good quality, likewhen someone tells me like oh,
my brain doesn't shut down.
I'm constantly thinking, I'mlike, gotta work on that
Especially also remember.
That's why sometimes people, alot of people, wake up with
anxiety, wake up with negativityand wake up with like
depression.
Why?
Because you are waking up withthe thoughts you're having the
previous day.
So if you're not taking alsotime at night to, you know, have
(19:57):
this quick night time routine.
Where you are, you know,speaking positively to yourself
or you are doing some breathwork and getting into the
present moment, you are going towake up with the thoughts you
slept with right or, for example, someone you know falling
asleep on the couch watching youknow whether crime shows or
like the news or something, Imean guess what.
You are going to wake up, um,you know, with all with, with,
(20:20):
with the anxiety, because youslept with the news from the day
before and then it ain't good.
Yeah, yeah, I know we'renearing the end.
What is some action steps thatwe want to talk about?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I mean again, it's the same thing.
I always tell my clients findsomething that works for you,
right?
I love walking, you lovewalking.
I've been walking now for awhile.
Maybe you're not a walker, ormaybe it's hot as hell and you
don't want to go outside.
That's okay.
But find something that allowsyou to quiet the mind and find
something, like Denise said,that brings you into the present
(20:51):
moment, and the easiest thingyou have for that are your
senses.
That brings you into thepresent moment and the easiest
thing you have for that are yoursenses.
Meaning even if you say twominutes, I can commit to two
minutes every single day to bepresent.
You can sit and stare at thewall that's being present, look
at the colors, feel the wall getthe texture, what do you smell,
(21:14):
what do you hear around you?
Speaker 1 (21:14):
That's it Two minutes for for presence.
Or it can be doing when you'redoing your tour, like if you're
like if you're washing thedishes.
So if you don't want to sitlike, I get it, like you know,
maybe you some, you're very busy.
It could be through washing thedishes, feeling the feeling,
brushing your teeth, exactly.
It could be through all of thedaily activities committing to
like, instead of while you'rebrushing your teeth, instead of
thinking of the 500 things youhave to do, just slow yourself
(21:37):
down and you know like, exactly,feel the motions.
You know like, oh, I'm brushingmy teeth now.
I feel the water, the water,great, that's you know it sounds
cheesy, but it works.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
It does work.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
It's one of the calm things, but that's not another
thing.
Yes, cheesy, but that's notanother thing.
Yes, cheesy, but that's that'spractice, right.
Or it could be the breath right.
If someone's like, oh, I don'twant to do this, you know, I
don't want to enjoy my mashingthe dishes and doing laundry,
you can also commit to twominutes or three minutes of deep
breathing, you know, gettinginto your heart, holding, like
you know, kira and I, always,always, always, before we start
(22:10):
the podcast, we put our hand onour heart and we do an hand on
our belly and we do a few deepbreaths.
Because what are we teachingour body?
What do we tell our body?
You are safe, we're here foryou, right?
So, because that's that's ourbody is the most, it's our
vehicle, it's what's carrying usthroughout our lifetime.
So it's really important toalso remind it that yo, I'm here
(22:31):
for you, I'm gonna slow youdown so just discover what works
for you.
But we're giving you the easiesttools because, guess what?
You and I are super busy.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah as well, got to be simple stuff.
Yes, ma'am.
Okay guys, now go, shut yourmind up.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I know, shut it, don't collapse that.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Go quiet the mind.
But yeah, thank you guys.
As always, we appreciatefeedback and comments on our
Instagram and reviews andsharing it with a friend and all
the things.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yes, please share this episode at least with a
friend who might need it.
If someone tells you all thetime I'm thinking all the time,
maybe they can benefit from thisso for sure.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Thank you, we'll see you on the next episode.
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