October 2, 2025 • 23 mins
The most powerful question you can ask yourself might be: "What if I'm wrong?" In a world obsessed with certainty and being right, Denise and Kira explore how embracing uncertainty and questioning our beliefs creates the foundation for true healing.
The hosts dive into how our addiction to certainty (whether about diets, relationships, religion, or politics) prevents growth and keeps us stuck in patterns that no longer serve us. They share personal examples of times when being open to being wrong led to profound shifts in perspective and healing opportunities, including Denise's experience with her teenage daughter during divorce and Kira's evolving understanding of different dietary approaches.
At the heart of this conversation is a revolutionary idea: we cannot heal if we're always right. By turning down the volume on ego and turning up awareness, we create space for transformation. The hosts offer practical approaches to questioning long-held beliefs without judgment, including simple but powerful questions like "I wonder if this is true?" and "Where's the evidence for this belief?"
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SPEAKER_00 (00:03):
Welcome to the Heal Yourself podcast, where we dive
deep into all things healing.
I'm Denise, a speech languagepathologist and a self-love
coach for adults and teens.
SPEAKER_01 (00:15):
And I'm Kira, a traditional naturopath and
functional nutritionist, andwe're here to guide you through
the transformative process ofhealing your body, mind, and
soul.
SPEAKER_00 (00:25):
From the latest in functional medicine to nurturing
your relationship with yourself,healing trauma, and even
transforming your money story.
We're here to empower you withthe knowledge and tools to
create lasting change.
SPEAKER_01 (00:39):
So whether you're looking to heal physically,
emotionally, or spiritually,join us as we explore the many
paths to wholeness and wellness.
Hey everyone, welcome back toanother episode of Heal Yourself
Podcast.
And today you got Kira andDenise, and we're talking about
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being wrong, being okay with notknowing.
I don't know what we're gonnatitle this episode, but I feel
like I feel like it needs to betalked about because so many
people are stuck with okay,what's right, but what if being
wrong was like a piece of yourgrowth?
And nobody wants to questionwhether they're wrong.
(01:22):
It's like social media,everything is so toxic right
now.
That's not healing.
Like healing is saying I knownothing and being okay with it.
SPEAKER_00 (01:33):
Right, and being being a learner.
And the thing is, I maybe likenot also like another piece that
we can add in about you knowbeing wrong, it could be also
the being open to learning whatyou don't know, right?
So, for example, I always givethe example of I was the school
SLP for the long for the longesttime.
So school SLP, you work withkiddos that are five years old
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up to you know, elementary, it'skind of what like 10, 11,
something like that, and thenyou have middle and high school.
So that's what I I use, I'm usedto.
But when I started my business,the private clients I started
receiving are the little, likethree-year-old, two-year-old,
four years old, and they're notthe same.
A three-year-old is not the sameas a five-year-old, right?
And even a four, and like evenfours and fives are different.
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That that one year makes a bigdifference.
And I was like, I, you know,instead of closing myself to the
things that I know, I toldmyself, no, I was I started
taking, you know, moreconferences, I attended more
online conferences regardingpediatrics, the littles, and
just being open to learning fromthem.
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What do they need?
Because I was in the like, okay,let's do the dev with
elementary.
I can do so much, so much, butwith the littles, I'm like, we
gotta play.
I need to integrate, you know,the goals and stuff and play.
But I did not close myself tolike, well, I was a school SLP
for 17 years.
You better, you better, youfour-year-old, you two-year-old,
you better work my plan.
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It's like they look at me like,no.
So being open helped me learn alot instead of having to like I
I I always give the example,like because now we work I work
with puzzles with the kiddos,and then it's like it's like you
know, trying to to fit to theoval and the square, and it's
not gonna work, right?
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So just being open.
SPEAKER_01 (03:19):
And that's the thing, like not knowing being
wrong to me, that allows us tobe open, right?
Like we seem to be in a societyright now that wants to have
certainty, that wants to have,well, I'm right and you're
wrong.
And you know, we've got theseexperts everywhere on Instagram
and all these places aroundeverything, not just health.
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What if we started to look atwhat if nothing I know is right?
What if I don't know the answer?
Like what you're saying aboutKit, like what if I don't know?
Okay, great.
There's that curiosity, there'sthat being open to learning
more.
And I feel like as a culture, asa society, we are stuck.
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We are stuck in a I don't, Idon't want to be open, I don't
want to know more.
Nope, nope, I can't be wrong.
And I know everything.
SPEAKER_00 (04:10):
And then we shut ourselves.
It's kind of like the topicabout religion that you and I
talked about as well, right?
So you and I grew up in, youknow, with Catholicism, with
Christianity, and you know, Iknow for myself, girl, you know,
I'm Lebanese, I'm MiddleEastern, right?
And I grew up in the wars, soyou I shut down to a lot of like
the Jewish religion.
I didn't know anything about itor whatever until recently.
(04:33):
I started listening to KathyHeller, and she's talking about
Kabbalah, and I was like, oh mygod, that's like so awesome.
And I follow another guy, and Ithink I learned about him from
her podcast, David Guillaume,and he talks a lot about
Kabbalah.
So now I'm like, wait a minute,I want to learn more about this
mystic.
Uh I think it's called the it'snot Judaism or it's like the
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mystic Judaism or something likethat, Kabbalah.
And I just got a book on myKindle after I finished my book
club book Behind Closed Doors.
Oh my gosh, that's a bigthriller.
Like, oh, oh, I was on the edge,but anyway, so uh I I started
listening, I started notlistening, reading, and I you
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know, I'm I'm only on like thethird or fourth page, but my old
self, the old Taneas girl, no,uh-uh, she would not have picked
up that book because of like,ooh, you know, I don't identify
with the with that, I don'tunderstand them.
I don't, you know, but I becauseI am open to learning, and I
feel no matter how old you are,and the experience that you
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have, and also like being wrong,because I was under the
impression like Catholicism isit.
Like, if you I used to thinkthat, like, oh my goodness, it's
the same.
SPEAKER_02 (05:47):
People don't take communion every Sunday.
These poor people are all goingto hell.
I know.
I'm like, oh my goodness, what'sgonna happen to them?
SPEAKER_00 (05:55):
You know, I know thinking about it now, it's like
I don't want to, it's cringeright now, like my daughter
says, but you know, so it's justalso being wrong about the the
the idea that, and I feel thisis what we always talk about,
right?
Questioning the beliefs, youknow, wondering about those
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beliefs.
I'm not saying throw them in thetrash, but readjust, maybe
recalibrate.
SPEAKER_01 (06:23):
Yeah, and it again it goes back to questioning, or
even if you ask yourself, whatif I'm wrong?
What does this mean?
Because we're creating meaningall the time.
And if you're going into asituation, right, like I'm
thinking politics right nowbecause that's all I see out
over my feed.
I'll give other examples.
Yeah, I but that's just allthat's over, like I'm so over
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it, but it's all over my feed.
And it's like, okay, but youhave a belief, maybe question
where that belief came from.
Question if it's a hundredpercent truth or if you're
accepting things that are beingseen on media, social media,
whatever is face value.
And what if you're wrong?
Like, I have no problem beingwrong in my beliefs.
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I I don't think I used to,right?
Like beliefs around this.
Yeah, it is.
Yeah, perhaps it is, but that'sthe thing.
If you if the whole world wouldpause and just say, what if
everything I believe is wrong?
What if I know nothing?
The amount of healing that couldhappen would be unbelievable.
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And spiritual healing, physicalhealing, right?
Like we can always go back tohealth.
What if you know nothing?
Right?
Like, even to my other, youknow, fellow practitioners.
I used to be that, oh my gosh, Ihave to have the right protocol.
And what if I can't help thisperson?
What if I can do it?
I know nothing.
I am here to serve you, and whatcomes to me will come to me,
(07:50):
right?
You guys will hear us talk aboutintuition on an upcoming
episode, but going into it withI know nothing takes pressure
off and it allows for thatopenness, as you said.
SPEAKER_00 (08:02):
Absolutely.
I and I really love that.
I know that the intuition.
I know we recorded yesterdaywith her, but that brought up a
lot for me.
And and then just yeah, likebeing wrong.
Like yesterday, I gave you theexample of uh, I don't want to
give politics examples,honestly, because I'm really
really you're like me.
I'm over it.
(08:23):
I'm saying I'm over it,especially, especially Candace
Owens.
I'm like, dude, like I haven'tseen anything there, but I've
been seeing some of this stuff,and I'm like, I'm gonna unfold
because I used to love her, andI'm like, dude, like you, I
don't I didn't see her go to hisfew his memorial, but what you
are here trying to like, I waslike, I can't do that.
Like, I'm just no, no, thankyou.
(08:44):
Like, stop it.
Uh I know some of the stuff thatshe's saying.
I'm like, Are you for real?
Like, can you listen toyourself?
Like, do you listen to yourselfsometimes?
But whatever, not just her, somany people.
Like, I think sometimes if wego, if these people go back and
listen to themselves, maybe Idon't know.
If you are stuck in the like, Iknow I'm right, nothing's gonna
happen.
(09:04):
But and I give you the example,like, even with my 14-year-old,
you know that I mean a lot ofthe listeners know that I am
going through a divorce, and uh,you know, I was you know talking
with my daughter aboutsomething, and she was like,
Well, uh, she mentioned thatthere's always two sides of the
story, like both of you, blahblah blah.
And and then instead of like, soI I became a little defensive,
(09:28):
like for a quick second, andthen I dropped that
defensiveness because now myawareness is way much um louder
than my ego.
And I was like, you know what?
Yes, absolutely.
There's always two sides of thestory.
I know I'm contributing as well.
And then we had the interviewyesterday with our intuition
expert.
I don't know what was her title.
SPEAKER_01 (09:49):
I don't know what her title is.
SPEAKER_00 (09:51):
Well, I have to go back to the episode, and the
episode will release eventually.
We don't know when.
So don't hold on to me.
And and then we were talkingabout it, and I was like, wait a
minute.
So if I'm not right, if if I'mnot if I'm right, like no, I am
wrong because I she's right, Iam contributing.
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There's always to sell thisstory, and no matter what, and I
am contributing as well to thedifficult situation.
So instead of going to thedefensiveness and trying to
prove myself or defend myself, Iwent, you know, I went for a
walk, etc.
And I understood her point ofview, right?
And that is a 14-year-old,right?
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So even though I didn't say,Well, excuse me, ma'am, I know
I'm right, and I went on on a ona rant.
I shared with you, and you'relike, Wow, that's wise of a
14-year-old, just absolutely,because she's and then again,
right?
What I mean, if we're gonna goback to Jesus, what does Jesus
say?
Go back to being a child inorder to enter the kingdom of
heaven.
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Being a child is curious, beinga child is always wondering,
being a being a child is pure,not really stuck in your
beliefs.
So, you know, I definitely tookthat advice, and I was like,
hmm, I could be wrong, and Iwonder what this is teaching me,
and da-da-da.
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And I went and I journaled and Idid my own thing and I felt more
at peace.
And that's what we always talkabout is that we are humans,
have you know, we are spiritualbeings, have beings having human
experience, and we have thoseall humans' emotions and humans
everything, but we you know, wecan turn the volume up on our
awareness in order to get onthat to continue on the healing
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journey, right?
So it's it's always practice.
I don't know how else to say it.
Other I feel like we are brokenrecording.
SPEAKER_01 (11:42):
We are, that's fine.
SPEAKER_00 (11:45):
You know, but it's just it's it's true, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (11:49):
Well, and my thing is we cannot heal if we're
always right.
So, like, I want to givemultiple examples here, right?
Like, you're talking about arelationship.
If you're always right and theother person is always wrong,
what is accomplished in thatrelationship or separation of
relationships?
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Like, nothing is accomplished.
I look at diets, right?
Like being in the health space,you've got people that are
arguing that carnivore is right.
I saw somebody the other daytalking about veganism is the
only way because if you haverotting flesh, no joke, if you
have rotting flesh in your body,you are less close to how did
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she word it?
Like you're not one with God orthe universe, however.
Rotting flesh?
Like she means a cook food.
And she's meaning, and if youeat animals, it is rotting.
That's how she worded it.
If you eat animals, it isrotting flesh, and you are not a
spiritual being, however, sheworded it, you know.
But like we have all of thesedifferent camps, even just with
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diet, of no, I'm right.
And it's like, but what ifyou're not?
Why can't you be okay withsaying, what if this is
completely wrong?
Because if you're after healing,and I'm just talking physical
healing right now, but you aredead set on your way is right,
and you're a vegan or you're acarnivore and you're not moving,
okay, how are you gonna healthen?
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Because you're just saying I'mright, but this isn't serving
me?
Or everybody needs to do thisone way because I think it's
right.
What makes you right then?
And then we can go into thepolitics and everything else.
You cannot heal if you alwaysthink you're right.
Start to question everything andstart to look at it in reverse
of what if I'm wrong?
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Because again, coming back topoint.
SPEAKER_00 (13:39):
But that's also turning the volume down on the
ego, because the ego doesn'twrong, right?
But when you say, what if I'mwrong?
I love that advice.
I love this tip.
This is this is the tip that youneed to take to say today's
episode is saying, trainingyourself to saying, what if I'm
wrong?
SPEAKER_01 (13:57):
Yeah, because that's where no, it doesn't need to be
a negative thing, but that'swhere the curiosity comes from.
That's where the growth comesfrom, that's where the healing
comes from.
And like you said, the um thebeing open, right?
We if we cannot stay stuck,otherwise, we we can't heal if
we stay in the same place.
We have to evolve in everyaspect of our life.
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And the only way to get there isto start to question things and
say, Well, what if I'm wrong?
Yeah, because what might open upfor you?
SPEAKER_00 (14:26):
And I loved uh yesterday our talk, she
mentioned something, I wonder.
So if you don't want to say,What if I'm wrong?
You can say, I wonder if I'mwrong.
Yeah, you wonder if I'm wrong,or I wonder if this belief that
I, you know, heard for 20 yearsis wrong.
Right?
Like I had a therapy session andI did tell him I feel that he's
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like, This is not a feeling,this is a belief.
I was like, Okay, you're wrong.
And then we started the roleplay, and then and then you
know, he would ask me, like,what is the evidence?
I was like, I don't know.
Like, I was trying to likefreaking find evidence, but
there was no evidence, like, noevidence.
So again, like, you know, whatif I'm wrong, or I wonder if I'm
wrong, or you know, I've carriedthis belief for so many years,
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but where's the evidence?
You know, where is the evidence?
This is this is this is what ifI can be open.
I wonder if I can be open tothis idea.
I wonder if I can be open toblah blah blah.
And I remember when I started myhealth journey, I was attracted
to the raw to the raw movement.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, and some people are still,I mean, some people that I
follow, like fully rawChristina, is still supposedly
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fully raw.
I don't know what happens behindclosed doors, but you know,
that's what she said.
So, and that's working for her,great, you know.
But a lot of people that Ifollowed that were doing that
switch to to other things, soand we go back to the diet, same
thing.
It's like anything, anything,diet, relationships, uh I mean,
(15:53):
finances, everything,everything.
Question those beliefs and beopen to learning.
And life is a whole thing oflearning right now.
It is tune in, but also yeah, wewant to tune in because
sometimes it gets too noisy,right?
SPEAKER_01 (16:08):
There's a lot of noise out there, and that I mean
that goes back to the, you know,even just the food space again,
of like, okay.
And this also goes back to whatyou and I have talked about is
coaching yourself, learning howto coach yourself.
That's how you grow.
When you ask the question, Iwonder if I'm wrong, or am I
wrong, or what if I'm wrong, orhowever you want to word it,
(16:29):
that's you coaching yourself of,huh?
Okay, let's say I am wrong.
Well, what does this mean?
How does this change things forme?
How does this help me evolve?
How does this make me a betterperson?
Because that's healing.
That's what we should always beafter, becoming a better version
of ourselves in health and inall aspects.
And if we're always saying, no,I know I'm right, this is it, or
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even you, no, this diet isalways, how do you know it's
always right for you?
And you're really gonna say thisone thing is right for every
single person, you know, or theone thing you read on social
media that one person said thatmakes them that person.
Did you know them personally?
Or are you taking things forface value?
Like there's so many ways we cantake this.
SPEAKER_00 (17:13):
Yeah, no, yeah, no, it's just like I'll be curious.
That's all we I mean, we keepgoing back to the whole being
curious and and then just youknow, just always wanting what's
better for you, and what'sbetter for you is continuing to
learn and then honoring theseasons that you go through.
You know what I mean?
Like, you know, honoring the thethe part of the journey, right?
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Like your 20s are different thanyour 30s, your 30s are different
than your 40s, etc.
etc.
And just we honor that.
And I, you know, becausesometimes I tend to go back and
say, and you know, we've talkedabout it, like, oh my goodness,
like, why didn't I do thisearlier?
Or why did the doubt or whateverit is, with whatever, not just
with uh relationships, andsometimes I, you know, finances
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or this or that, but that's partof my journey, and that's part
of my soul's journey as well.
So I also want to honor thisseason of of my life, you know.
I don't want to I don't knowwhere I'm going with this, but
it's just being being like we weI repeat this all the time, and
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I know this is a reminder formyself being graceful with you.
And I heard it on the episodewith Kathy Heller and the the
rabbi she interviewed.
You know, don't dwell on themistake.
If you made the mistake, you'renot the mistake, right?
So whatever it is in your life,like I made the mistake, I'm not
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the mistake, I'm not doingbetter and moving forward.
And being open, that's where youlearn the most.
Because just like the kiddoswith with with on the spectrum,
right?
What do we teach them?
To be flexible.
Because when you are notflexible, you have the rock
brain that you're not learning,right?
But when you don't have thatrock brain, when you are
flexible, you are learning, youare absorbing what's around you.
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So this is just you know, yeah,being okay with being wrong and
admitting sometimes saying I'mwrong feels liberating, you
know, instead of the shackles ofdefending ourselves and oh my
goodness, like right now, Kira,whenever I hear people
defending, it's like it justkind of like irritates my ears,
you know.
I was talking to this one lady,I mean, you're a principal of a
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preschool, dude.
And this lady already like toldme four freaking jobs she did
because every time I saysomething, oh yeah, I did that.
And I was like, dude, like youworked so many jobs, and good
for you, I guess.
But it's like like, please don'tbe defensive.
I'm here to help the child, likeI'm not here to listen.
So that's what sometimes whenpeople say, I'm sorry, I'm like,
don't be, it's fine, let's justmove on.
SPEAKER_01 (19:48):
So and that's just the state of society right now.
People don't want to question,they don't want to be okay being
wrong.
Um, and that that's something toalso question is why is there
fear around being wrong?
Like, what does that even meanto be wrong?
You know, because we're allwrong and we all know nothing.
Like, I always come back to weknow nothing.
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We don't know why we're here, wedon't know what happens when we
die, we don't know what happenstomorrow, we know nothing.
I know I'm sitting here rightnow in this moment, that's the
only thing I know.
SPEAKER_00 (20:19):
Absolutely.
The present moment is the onlyone you know, and just live your
life moment by moment becausethat is what I mean.
Of course, you know, dream and Iget it, but don't dwell on the
past or on the future becauseyour life is happening in the
now, and that's what we've we'vetalked about, we always talk
about as well, and um, you know,like the whole Tylenol thing.
SPEAKER_01 (20:41):
I'm like, dude, what don't even get me started.
SPEAKER_00 (20:44):
What are you trying to prove?
Like, okay, they said somethingyou don't agree with.
Again, they don't want theydon't want to be wrong.
That's what it is.
Yeah, that's what it's like it'sjust it's just like it is
literally like with the videosthat I'm seeing.
Oh yeah, we won't go down thatroad, guys, but again, just
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start no, but I know I loved howthe the story that you posted
expired, but it you know, Iloved what what you posted, um,
which was great.
So about about it, but yeah,it's being okay with
uncertainty.
I don't know what's going tohappen, and I'm fine with it,
and I'm here for the ride.
Yeah, enjoying it, enjoy, likelight up your you're you're here
to constantly become the betterversion of yourself, moment by
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moment, right?
You're not the mistake.
So let's say this moment waswhatever, let's start with the
next moment and the next momentand the next one.
And that's how you turn up thevolume on you tune in to your
divinity and you tune down tothe ego.
We're not disrespecting the ego,it's there to help us survive.
We get that in survival moments,but right now we're not in
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survival moments, right?
So, and the body, remember thebody does not differentiate
between the the thought of thefear or the actual fear, it's
reacting the same way.
So be gentle with the body andum yeah, oh my goodness, we're
going so much with this.
I love that.
SPEAKER_01 (22:10):
So, yeah, guys, it's like away.
I mean, start to ask yourselfhowever you want to word it.
What if I don't know?
What if I'm wrong?
Um and see where it takes you.
That's the thing.
We we have these episodes to getyou guys to think, right?
Again, we Denise and I, we don'tknow anything.
We're here, we're showing up,we're serving, we're on our own
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journeys, but absolutely thegoal is for you to start to
evolve and have some thingswhere it's like, huh, I didn't
think about that, and then seewhere it takes you.
SPEAKER_00 (22:43):
That's it.
Yeah, yeah, exactly, absolutely,and yeah, thank you for
mentioning that because yeah, wedon't know, we we really don't
know.
We don't know where we're going,we don't know what we're doing,
and we sometimes, you know,don't have we just have a topic.
That's it.
We show up and we serve record,yeah.
We show up and we serve, we hitrecord and we just let it take
us where it takes us, and italways takes us where it takes
(23:05):
us, yeah, where where it needsto go, apparently.
SPEAKER_02 (23:09):
I know.
Alrighty, time to end ourepisode.
SPEAKER_01 (23:14):
All right, guys.
You know it.
I mean, we say it every time.
Broken record again.
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Let us know.
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SPEAKER_00 (23:27):
Okay, yeah.
I should send you the handle sowe can add the show notes
because yeah, we are on TikTok.
So we definitely would love theTikTok uh follows and love.
And we are still working onworking on our secret project,
but again, homeschooling and megoing through all of this and
also still working and on mybusiness.
Yeah, but but we're it's coming,it's coming.
SPEAKER_01 (23:48):
It is all right, guys.
We'll see you on the nextepisode.
Welcome to the Heal Yourself podcast, where we dive
deep into all things healing.
I'm Denise, a speech languagepathologist and a self-love
coach for adults and teens.
SPEAKER_01 (00:15):
And I'm Kira, a traditional naturopath and
functional nutritionist, andwe're here to guide you through
the transformative process ofhealing your body, mind, and
soul.
SPEAKER_00 (00:25):
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So whether you're looking to heal physically,
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Hey everyone, welcome back toanother episode of Heal Yourself
Podcast.
And today you got Kira andDenise, and we're talking about
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being wrong, being okay with notknowing.
I don't know what we're gonnatitle this episode, but I feel
like I feel like it needs to betalked about because so many
people are stuck with okay,what's right, but what if being
wrong was like a piece of yourgrowth?
And nobody wants to questionwhether they're wrong.
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It's like social media,everything is so toxic right
now.
That's not healing.
Like healing is saying I knownothing and being okay with it.
SPEAKER_00 (01:33):
Right, and being being a learner.
And the thing is, I maybe likenot also like another piece that
we can add in about you knowbeing wrong, it could be also
the being open to learning whatyou don't know, right?
So, for example, I always givethe example of I was the school
SLP for the long for the longesttime.
So school SLP, you work withkiddos that are five years old
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up to you know, elementary, it'skind of what like 10, 11,
something like that, and thenyou have middle and high school.
So that's what I I use, I'm usedto.
But when I started my business,the private clients I started
receiving are the little, likethree-year-old, two-year-old,
four years old, and they're notthe same.
A three-year-old is not the sameas a five-year-old, right?
And even a four, and like evenfours and fives are different.
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That that one year makes a bigdifference.
And I was like, I, you know,instead of closing myself to the
things that I know, I toldmyself, no, I was I started
taking, you know, moreconferences, I attended more
online conferences regardingpediatrics, the littles, and
just being open to learning fromthem.
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What do they need?
Because I was in the like, okay,let's do the dev with
elementary.
I can do so much, so much, butwith the littles, I'm like, we
gotta play.
I need to integrate, you know,the goals and stuff and play.
But I did not close myself tolike, well, I was a school SLP
for 17 years.
You better, you better, youfour-year-old, you two-year-old,
you better work my plan.
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It's like they look at me like,no.
So being open helped me learn alot instead of having to like I
I I always give the example,like because now we work I work
with puzzles with the kiddos,and then it's like it's like you
know, trying to to fit to theoval and the square, and it's
not gonna work, right?
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So just being open.
SPEAKER_01 (03:19):
And that's the thing, like not knowing being
wrong to me, that allows us tobe open, right?
Like we seem to be in a societyright now that wants to have
certainty, that wants to have,well, I'm right and you're
wrong.
And you know, we've got theseexperts everywhere on Instagram
and all these places aroundeverything, not just health.
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What if we started to look atwhat if nothing I know is right?
What if I don't know the answer?
Like what you're saying aboutKit, like what if I don't know?
Okay, great.
There's that curiosity, there'sthat being open to learning
more.
And I feel like as a culture, asa society, we are stuck.
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We are stuck in a I don't, Idon't want to be open, I don't
want to know more.
Nope, nope, I can't be wrong.
And I know everything.
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And then we shut ourselves.
It's kind of like the topicabout religion that you and I
talked about as well, right?
So you and I grew up in, youknow, with Catholicism, with
Christianity, and you know, Iknow for myself, girl, you know,
I'm Lebanese, I'm MiddleEastern, right?
And I grew up in the wars, soyou I shut down to a lot of like
the Jewish religion.
I didn't know anything about itor whatever until recently.
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I started listening to KathyHeller, and she's talking about
Kabbalah, and I was like, oh mygod, that's like so awesome.
And I follow another guy, and Ithink I learned about him from
her podcast, David Guillaume,and he talks a lot about
Kabbalah.
So now I'm like, wait a minute,I want to learn more about this
mystic.
Uh I think it's called the it'snot Judaism or it's like the
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mystic Judaism or something likethat, Kabbalah.
And I just got a book on myKindle after I finished my book
club book Behind Closed Doors.
Oh my gosh, that's a bigthriller.
Like, oh, oh, I was on the edge,but anyway, so uh I I started
listening, I started notlistening, reading, and I you
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know, I'm I'm only on like thethird or fourth page, but my old
self, the old Taneas girl, no,uh-uh, she would not have picked
up that book because of like,ooh, you know, I don't identify
with the with that, I don'tunderstand them.
I don't, you know, but I becauseI am open to learning, and I
feel no matter how old you are,and the experience that you
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have, and also like being wrong,because I was under the
impression like Catholicism isit.
Like, if you I used to thinkthat, like, oh my goodness, it's
the same.
SPEAKER_02 (05:47):
People don't take communion every Sunday.
These poor people are all goingto hell.
I know.
I'm like, oh my goodness, what'sgonna happen to them?
SPEAKER_00 (05:55):
You know, I know thinking about it now, it's like
I don't want to, it's cringeright now, like my daughter
says, but you know, so it's justalso being wrong about the the
the idea that, and I feel thisis what we always talk about,
right?
Questioning the beliefs, youknow, wondering about those
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beliefs.
I'm not saying throw them in thetrash, but readjust, maybe
recalibrate.
SPEAKER_01 (06:23):
Yeah, and it again it goes back to questioning, or
even if you ask yourself, whatif I'm wrong?
What does this mean?
Because we're creating meaningall the time.
And if you're going into asituation, right, like I'm
thinking politics right nowbecause that's all I see out
over my feed.
I'll give other examples.
Yeah, I but that's just allthat's over, like I'm so over
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it, but it's all over my feed.
And it's like, okay, but youhave a belief, maybe question
where that belief came from.
Question if it's a hundredpercent truth or if you're
accepting things that are beingseen on media, social media,
whatever is face value.
And what if you're wrong?
Like, I have no problem beingwrong in my beliefs.
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I I don't think I used to,right?
Like beliefs around this.
Yeah, it is.
Yeah, perhaps it is, but that'sthe thing.
If you if the whole world wouldpause and just say, what if
everything I believe is wrong?
What if I know nothing?
The amount of healing that couldhappen would be unbelievable.
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And spiritual healing, physicalhealing, right?
Like we can always go back tohealth.
What if you know nothing?
Right?
Like, even to my other, youknow, fellow practitioners.
I used to be that, oh my gosh, Ihave to have the right protocol.
And what if I can't help thisperson?
What if I can do it?
I know nothing.
I am here to serve you, and whatcomes to me will come to me,
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right?
You guys will hear us talk aboutintuition on an upcoming
episode, but going into it withI know nothing takes pressure
off and it allows for thatopenness, as you said.
SPEAKER_00 (08:02):
Absolutely.
I and I really love that.
I know that the intuition.
I know we recorded yesterdaywith her, but that brought up a
lot for me.
And and then just yeah, likebeing wrong.
Like yesterday, I gave you theexample of uh, I don't want to
give politics examples,honestly, because I'm really
really you're like me.
I'm over it.
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I'm saying I'm over it,especially, especially Candace
Owens.
I'm like, dude, like I haven'tseen anything there, but I've
been seeing some of this stuff,and I'm like, I'm gonna unfold
because I used to love her, andI'm like, dude, like you, I
don't I didn't see her go to hisfew his memorial, but what you
are here trying to like, I waslike, I can't do that.
Like, I'm just no, no, thankyou.
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Like, stop it.
Uh I know some of the stuff thatshe's saying.
I'm like, Are you for real?
Like, can you listen toyourself?
Like, do you listen to yourselfsometimes?
But whatever, not just her, somany people.
Like, I think sometimes if wego, if these people go back and
listen to themselves, maybe Idon't know.
If you are stuck in the like, Iknow I'm right, nothing's gonna
happen.
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But and I give you the example,like, even with my 14-year-old,
you know that I mean a lot ofthe listeners know that I am
going through a divorce, and uh,you know, I was you know talking
with my daughter aboutsomething, and she was like,
Well, uh, she mentioned thatthere's always two sides of the
story, like both of you, blahblah blah.
And and then instead of like, soI I became a little defensive,
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like for a quick second, andthen I dropped that
defensiveness because now myawareness is way much um louder
than my ego.
And I was like, you know what?
Yes, absolutely.
There's always two sides of thestory.
I know I'm contributing as well.
And then we had the interviewyesterday with our intuition
expert.
I don't know what was her title.
SPEAKER_01 (09:49):
I don't know what her title is.
SPEAKER_00 (09:51):
Well, I have to go back to the episode, and the
episode will release eventually.
We don't know when.
So don't hold on to me.
And and then we were talkingabout it, and I was like, wait a
minute.
So if I'm not right, if if I'mnot if I'm right, like no, I am
wrong because I she's right, Iam contributing.
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There's always to sell thisstory, and no matter what, and I
am contributing as well to thedifficult situation.
So instead of going to thedefensiveness and trying to
prove myself or defend myself, Iwent, you know, I went for a
walk, etc.
And I understood her point ofview, right?
And that is a 14-year-old,right?
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So even though I didn't say,Well, excuse me, ma'am, I know
I'm right, and I went on on a ona rant.
I shared with you, and you'relike, Wow, that's wise of a
14-year-old, just absolutely,because she's and then again,
right?
What I mean, if we're gonna goback to Jesus, what does Jesus
say?
Go back to being a child inorder to enter the kingdom of
heaven.
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Being a child is curious, beinga child is always wondering,
being a being a child is pure,not really stuck in your
beliefs.
So, you know, I definitely tookthat advice, and I was like,
hmm, I could be wrong, and Iwonder what this is teaching me,
and da-da-da.
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And I went and I journaled and Idid my own thing and I felt more
at peace.
And that's what we always talkabout is that we are humans,
have you know, we are spiritualbeings, have beings having human
experience, and we have thoseall humans' emotions and humans
everything, but we you know, wecan turn the volume up on our
awareness in order to get onthat to continue on the healing
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journey, right?
So it's it's always practice.
I don't know how else to say it.
Other I feel like we are brokenrecording.
SPEAKER_01 (11:42):
We are, that's fine.
SPEAKER_00 (11:45):
You know, but it's just it's it's true, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (11:49):
Well, and my thing is we cannot heal if we're
always right.
So, like, I want to givemultiple examples here, right?
Like, you're talking about arelationship.
If you're always right and theother person is always wrong,
what is accomplished in thatrelationship or separation of
relationships?
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Like, nothing is accomplished.
I look at diets, right?
Like being in the health space,you've got people that are
arguing that carnivore is right.
I saw somebody the other daytalking about veganism is the
only way because if you haverotting flesh, no joke, if you
have rotting flesh in your body,you are less close to how did
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she word it?
Like you're not one with God orthe universe, however.
Rotting flesh?
Like she means a cook food.
And she's meaning, and if youeat animals, it is rotting.
That's how she worded it.
If you eat animals, it isrotting flesh, and you are not a
spiritual being, however, sheworded it, you know.
But like we have all of thesedifferent camps, even just with
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diet, of no, I'm right.
And it's like, but what ifyou're not?
Why can't you be okay withsaying, what if this is
completely wrong?
Because if you're after healing,and I'm just talking physical
healing right now, but you aredead set on your way is right,
and you're a vegan or you're acarnivore and you're not moving,
okay, how are you gonna healthen?
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Because you're just saying I'mright, but this isn't serving
me?
Or everybody needs to do thisone way because I think it's
right.
What makes you right then?
And then we can go into thepolitics and everything else.
You cannot heal if you alwaysthink you're right.
Start to question everything andstart to look at it in reverse
of what if I'm wrong?
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Because again, coming back topoint.
SPEAKER_00 (13:39):
But that's also turning the volume down on the
ego, because the ego doesn'twrong, right?
But when you say, what if I'mwrong?
I love that advice.
I love this tip.
This is this is the tip that youneed to take to say today's
episode is saying, trainingyourself to saying, what if I'm
wrong?
SPEAKER_01 (13:57):
Yeah, because that's where no, it doesn't need to be
a negative thing, but that'swhere the curiosity comes from.
That's where the growth comesfrom, that's where the healing
comes from.
And like you said, the um thebeing open, right?
We if we cannot stay stuck,otherwise, we we can't heal if
we stay in the same place.
We have to evolve in everyaspect of our life.
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And the only way to get there isto start to question things and
say, Well, what if I'm wrong?
Yeah, because what might open upfor you?
SPEAKER_00 (14:26):
And I loved uh yesterday our talk, she
mentioned something, I wonder.
So if you don't want to say,What if I'm wrong?
You can say, I wonder if I'mwrong.
Yeah, you wonder if I'm wrong,or I wonder if this belief that
I, you know, heard for 20 yearsis wrong.
Right?
Like I had a therapy session andI did tell him I feel that he's
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like, This is not a feeling,this is a belief.
I was like, Okay, you're wrong.
And then we started the roleplay, and then and then you
know, he would ask me, like,what is the evidence?
I was like, I don't know.
Like, I was trying to likefreaking find evidence, but
there was no evidence, like, noevidence.
So again, like, you know, whatif I'm wrong, or I wonder if I'm
wrong, or you know, I've carriedthis belief for so many years,
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but where's the evidence?
You know, where is the evidence?
This is this is this is what ifI can be open.
I wonder if I can be open tothis idea.
I wonder if I can be open toblah blah blah.
And I remember when I started myhealth journey, I was attracted
to the raw to the raw movement.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, and some people are still,I mean, some people that I
follow, like fully rawChristina, is still supposedly
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fully raw.
I don't know what happens behindclosed doors, but you know,
that's what she said.
So, and that's working for her,great, you know.
But a lot of people that Ifollowed that were doing that
switch to to other things, soand we go back to the diet, same
thing.
It's like anything, anything,diet, relationships, uh I mean,
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finances, everything,everything.
Question those beliefs and beopen to learning.
And life is a whole thing oflearning right now.
It is tune in, but also yeah, wewant to tune in because
sometimes it gets too noisy,right?
SPEAKER_01 (16:08):
There's a lot of noise out there, and that I mean
that goes back to the, you know,even just the food space again,
of like, okay.
And this also goes back to whatyou and I have talked about is
coaching yourself, learning howto coach yourself.
That's how you grow.
When you ask the question, Iwonder if I'm wrong, or am I
wrong, or what if I'm wrong, orhowever you want to word it,
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that's you coaching yourself of,huh?
Okay, let's say I am wrong.
Well, what does this mean?
How does this change things forme?
How does this help me evolve?
How does this make me a betterperson?
Because that's healing.
That's what we should always beafter, becoming a better version
of ourselves in health and inall aspects.
And if we're always saying, no,I know I'm right, this is it, or
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even you, no, this diet isalways, how do you know it's
always right for you?
And you're really gonna say thisone thing is right for every
single person, you know, or theone thing you read on social
media that one person said thatmakes them that person.
Did you know them personally?
Or are you taking things forface value?
Like there's so many ways we cantake this.
SPEAKER_00 (17:13):
Yeah, no, yeah, no, it's just like I'll be curious.
That's all we I mean, we keepgoing back to the whole being
curious and and then just youknow, just always wanting what's
better for you, and what'sbetter for you is continuing to
learn and then honoring theseasons that you go through.
You know what I mean?
Like, you know, honoring the thethe part of the journey, right?
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Like your 20s are different thanyour 30s, your 30s are different
than your 40s, etc.
etc.
And just we honor that.
And I, you know, becausesometimes I tend to go back and
say, and you know, we've talkedabout it, like, oh my goodness,
like, why didn't I do thisearlier?
Or why did the doubt or whateverit is, with whatever, not just
with uh relationships, andsometimes I, you know, finances
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or this or that, but that's partof my journey, and that's part
of my soul's journey as well.
So I also want to honor thisseason of of my life, you know.
I don't want to I don't knowwhere I'm going with this, but
it's just being being like we weI repeat this all the time, and
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I know this is a reminder formyself being graceful with you.
And I heard it on the episodewith Kathy Heller and the the
rabbi she interviewed.
You know, don't dwell on themistake.
If you made the mistake, you'renot the mistake, right?
So whatever it is in your life,like I made the mistake, I'm not
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the mistake, I'm not doingbetter and moving forward.
And being open, that's where youlearn the most.
Because just like the kiddoswith with with on the spectrum,
right?
What do we teach them?
To be flexible.
Because when you are notflexible, you have the rock
brain that you're not learning,right?
But when you don't have thatrock brain, when you are
flexible, you are learning, youare absorbing what's around you.
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So this is just you know, yeah,being okay with being wrong and
admitting sometimes saying I'mwrong feels liberating, you
know, instead of the shackles ofdefending ourselves and oh my
goodness, like right now, Kira,whenever I hear people
defending, it's like it justkind of like irritates my ears,
you know.
I was talking to this one lady,I mean, you're a principal of a
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preschool, dude.
And this lady already like toldme four freaking jobs she did
because every time I saysomething, oh yeah, I did that.
And I was like, dude, like youworked so many jobs, and good
for you, I guess.
But it's like like, please don'tbe defensive.
I'm here to help the child, likeI'm not here to listen.
So that's what sometimes whenpeople say, I'm sorry, I'm like,
don't be, it's fine, let's justmove on.
SPEAKER_01 (19:48):
So and that's just the state of society right now.
People don't want to question,they don't want to be okay being
wrong.
Um, and that that's something toalso question is why is there
fear around being wrong?
Like, what does that even meanto be wrong?
You know, because we're allwrong and we all know nothing.
Like, I always come back to weknow nothing.
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We don't know why we're here, wedon't know what happens when we
die, we don't know what happenstomorrow, we know nothing.
I know I'm sitting here rightnow in this moment, that's the
only thing I know.
SPEAKER_00 (20:19):
Absolutely.
The present moment is the onlyone you know, and just live your
life moment by moment becausethat is what I mean.
Of course, you know, dream and Iget it, but don't dwell on the
past or on the future becauseyour life is happening in the
now, and that's what we've we'vetalked about, we always talk
about as well, and um, you know,like the whole Tylenol thing.
SPEAKER_01 (20:41):
I'm like, dude, what don't even get me started.
SPEAKER_00 (20:44):
What are you trying to prove?
Like, okay, they said somethingyou don't agree with.
Again, they don't want theydon't want to be wrong.
That's what it is.
Yeah, that's what it's like it'sjust it's just like it is
literally like with the videosthat I'm seeing.
Oh yeah, we won't go down thatroad, guys, but again, just
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start no, but I know I loved howthe the story that you posted
expired, but it you know, Iloved what what you posted, um,
which was great.
So about about it, but yeah,it's being okay with
uncertainty.
I don't know what's going tohappen, and I'm fine with it,
and I'm here for the ride.
Yeah, enjoying it, enjoy, likelight up your you're you're here
to constantly become the betterversion of yourself, moment by
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moment, right?
You're not the mistake.
So let's say this moment waswhatever, let's start with the
next moment and the next momentand the next one.
And that's how you turn up thevolume on you tune in to your
divinity and you tune down tothe ego.
We're not disrespecting the ego,it's there to help us survive.
We get that in survival moments,but right now we're not in
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survival moments, right?
So, and the body, remember thebody does not differentiate
between the the thought of thefear or the actual fear, it's
reacting the same way.
So be gentle with the body andum yeah, oh my goodness, we're
going so much with this.
I love that.
SPEAKER_01 (22:10):
So, yeah, guys, it's like away.
I mean, start to ask yourselfhowever you want to word it.
What if I don't know?
What if I'm wrong?
Um and see where it takes you.
That's the thing.
We we have these episodes to getyou guys to think, right?
Again, we Denise and I, we don'tknow anything.
We're here, we're showing up,we're serving, we're on our own
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journeys, but absolutely thegoal is for you to start to
evolve and have some thingswhere it's like, huh, I didn't
think about that, and then seewhere it takes you.
SPEAKER_00 (22:43):
That's it.
Yeah, yeah, exactly, absolutely,and yeah, thank you for
mentioning that because yeah, wedon't know, we we really don't
know.
We don't know where we're going,we don't know what we're doing,
and we sometimes, you know,don't have we just have a topic.
That's it.
We show up and we serve record,yeah.
We show up and we serve, we hitrecord and we just let it take
us where it takes us, and italways takes us where it takes
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us, yeah, where where it needsto go, apparently.
SPEAKER_02 (23:09):
I know.
Alrighty, time to end ourepisode.
SPEAKER_01 (23:14):
All right, guys.
You know it.
I mean, we say it every time.
Broken record again.
Leave us a review, comment onour Instagram.
We know we're slacking on there,but we're there, we check, so
shoot us a message.
Let us know.
We're also on TikTok right now.
SPEAKER_00 (23:27):
Okay, yeah.
I should send you the handle sowe can add the show notes
because yeah, we are on TikTok.
So we definitely would love theTikTok uh follows and love.
And we are still working onworking on our secret project,
but again, homeschooling and megoing through all of this and
also still working and on mybusiness.
Yeah, but but we're it's coming,it's coming.
SPEAKER_01 (23:48):
It is all right, guys.
We'll see you on the nextepisode.
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