October 23, 2025 • 30 mins
Discover the transformative power of self-exploration and emotional intelligence with our guest, Nikki Brown, a dedicated women's empowerment coach. Nikki opens up about her personal journey of breaking free from the limiting beliefs of her upbringing and finding her true identity. Her story is a testament to the courage it takes to question societal norms and pursue genuine happiness. Together, we unpack the themes of self-love, self-acceptance, and the pivotal role of emotions like forgiveness and compassion in the healing process. Nikki’s insights offer a roadmap for anyone feeling trapped by others' expectations and yearning to live more authentically.
Join us as we discuss the importance of breaking generational patterns and nurturing a supportive relationship with oneself. Nikki shares how embracing her sensitivity and emotional depth became a key part of her journey, while emphasizing the need to communicate with our inner critic compassionately. We highlight the absence of formal education on emotional intelligence and the continuous process of learning to manage our emotions. Empower yourself to treat yourself with the same kindness and encouragement you offer to your best friends, and learn how this shift can lead to overcoming shame and isolation. This episode promises to inspire personal growth and foster a deeper understanding of what it means to truly love oneself.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to the Heal Yourself Podcast, where we dive
deep into all things healing.
I'm Denise, a speech-languagepathologist and a self-love
coach for adults and teens.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
And I'm Kira, a traditional naturopath and
functional nutritionist, and weare here to guide you through
the transformative process ofhealing your body, mind and soul
.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
From the latest in functional medicine to nurturing
your relationship with yourself, healing trauma and even
transforming your money story.
We're here to empower you withthe knowledge and tools to
create lasting change.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
So, whether you're looking to heal physically,
emotionally or spiritually, joinus as we explore the many paths
to wholeness and wellness.
Hey guys, welcome back toanother episode.
It is Kira today, and we arejoined by a special guest.
(01:00):
Her name is Nikki Brown.
She is a women's empowermentcoach, helping women heal their
wounds, upgrade their identityand finally flourish in their
authenticity, so they cancultivate the courage to turn
their dreams into a livedreality.
So, Nikki, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Thank you for having me, kira, so happy to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, glad to have you.
So I always kick it off Tell ushow you got here.
You and I were chatting alittle bit beforehand, but it's
right, none of us gets to thisjourney of helping others on
their healing journey unlesswe've been through our own
journey.
Like it doesn't happen that way.
So give us a little bit of yourbackstory.
(01:41):
How did you get to this place?
What was your healing journeylike?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah, for sure, I'm going to take you way back for a
minute.
I was always.
I was always this kid who is,you know, such a sensitive soul,
but I always cared so muchabout the world and I felt like
I was.
I always felt like I was meantto help people or to do
something, and my parents, forall of the wonderful parents
(02:11):
that they were, just didn'tquite get me, you know, like we
were just different, and so, youknow, we all have our
challenges, but I just I didn'tget the support that I needed as
a very sensitive child toreally be like seen and heard
and understood, and that left alot of wounding in me.
Um, and as I got older, youknow, school and social
(02:37):
interactions and all that justjust adds to it.
So I basically grew up in afamily with a lot of limiting
beliefs and in that process Ideveloped a lot of ideas about
who I was and what I was capableof, and this belief that I
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always had to struggle or that Iwas always behind, and things
like that.
And so I made a lot of choicesjust kind of based on what other
people told me I was or what Ishould do in my life and I
wasn't ever making those choicesFor me.
I didn't realize it at the time, of course, I was fully blind
(03:21):
to it, right, but.
But I was following somebodyelse's path my whole life.
And, long story short, I woke upone day and I didn't recognize
the person I was.
You know, I didn't recognize theperson I was, or I didn't
understand how I got here inthis life that I had created,
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because I had been followingeveryone else's guidance and
everyone else's expectations mywhole life.
And that was a rude awakeningfor me because at the time, you
know, I had a daughter and, um,I was.
I had this moment where Ididn't like the mom I was
becoming and that was thebiggest shake up for me, because
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I had dreamt for so long aboutbeing a mother and, looking at
myself and looking at her, Icould see myself making those
same mistakes, you know, fallinginto those patterns, and I
realized, like I could see themirror, and I was like, oh, oh,
something really has to change.
And I took a really hard lookat my life and I realized all
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the places where, um, I wasmaking unhealthy choices for me
and I was kind of sleepwalkingthrough my life, you know, and
and then I wondered why I waslike burnt out and like cracking
under the pressure, and and Iwas struggling under the weight
of this, like perfectionism, um,and this overachiever-ness, uh,
(04:52):
trying to do it all and be itall and have it all, and and I
didn't even know what I reallywanted for me.
But I knew it wasn't that and Iknew that was the thing that was
making me unhappy, like this isthe thing that's making me like
the mom with the short fuse andthe unable to handle stress and
always overwhelmed because I'mtrying to do too much, I'm
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trying to be it all and have itall and and maybe I just need to
change something.
So that's that's kind of wheremy journey began with.
With this realization, and,truthfully, I started looking to
fix myself.
When I started my personaldevelopment journey, I was like
there is something wrong with me.
I'm living the North Americandream.
(05:35):
I have climbed the corporateladder, I have the house, I have
this marriage, I have the kid,I have all of the things.
I checked all the boxes.
I followed the path thateveryone told me to why am I
here?
Why doesn't this feel right?
And yeah, and that's when I waslike I got.
There's got to be somethingwrong with me.
(05:56):
I started on this journeythinking that I would just learn
some stuff to fix myself andthrough that process, but I
really realized that there wasnothing wrong with me.
It was simply that I had boughtinto the lies that other people
told me and bought into thelies of like what I should do,
be and have, without stoppingthe question, what was really
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right for me.
And that was the big turningpoint for me, where I started to
do the work, to question, like,well, who am I like what?
What does feel right for me?
And like, started that processof excavating, um and looking at
everything and saying, well,like such a silly example I
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always use.
But it was really one of thefirst big turning points for me.
Um, I had spent my whole lifewith people telling me oh,
you're clumsy, I'm coordinated,I'm graceful.
I didn't play any sport, um, Ididn't want to work out or go to
the gym because I was tooembarrassed, I'm like I can't do
anything, you know.
So I was creating part of theunhealthy lifestyle that I
wanted to change.
Um, and I always wanted todance.
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I don't know why.
I just love dancing.
I always wanted to dance as akid and I never did so.
I was like I wonder if this istrue about me, I wonder if I
could just test this as apossibility.
And so I joined a dance class.
I joined a hot mama's hip-hop.
I love it and I would love to belike, yeah, that was amazing
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dancer.
I wasn't, but I wasn't terrible, you know.
And and I started to build myconfidence with that.
And I started to be like, oh,maybe I'm not so uncoordinated.
And then, when people wouldthrow me things, I'd start to
try and catch it and I'd be like, oh, look at that, I caught
that.
And so, like, over this time, Istarted stacking the evidence
and building the evidence forfor, like, oh, disbelief is not
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true yeah people said thosethings about me, but I just
bought into it and that'sactually not true.
So then I threw that away.
That's not who I am anymore,and then I started to like,
rediscover and redefine who Iwas.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Which is so important and I feel like so many women
are missing that as a healingopportunity.
Right, it's like, okay, as kids, we follow what our parents say
, that's understandable, andthen it's okay, well, you're
supposed to go to collegebecause that's what you do, and
you don't know what you want todo, why don't you follow in one
of our footsteps?
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or you're good at this from whatyou do, and you don't know what
you want to do.
Why don't you follow in one ofour footsteps?
Or you're good at this fromwhat I see.
So this is what I think youshould go into.
And then that just continues tostack over the years.
And then, yeah, one day you'relike wait a minute, I'm doing
this and I don't even want to bedoing this, but we're trying to
please other people withoutdigging into what we need.
(08:47):
And I know we spoke about thisearlier, but I made a post today
on social just saying what isyour soul asking, and we don't
ask that often enough.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
No, or what is your soul need?
And like, yeah, just juststopping to like start
questioning those things in mylife needs such a big difference
.
And when I started to redefinewho I was and I started to like
start questioning those thingsin my life needs such a big
difference.
And when I started to redefinewho I was and I started to like
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do that work to you know,reclaim pieces of myself, I
started to feel better and I waslike, wow, you know, imagine,
all my life I've been limitingmyself with all these beliefs.
I wonder what else is possiblefor me, right?
And that's where I wonder whatelse is?
possible for me, right?
And that's where we I wonderwhat else is possible for me.
And that's really how I gotinto coaching, because I was
once.
I started to make those changesin my life and question all
these beliefs and recreate theperson that I was.
(09:38):
I started to be like I need towake other women up to the
possibilities that they'reasleep to, for themselves, for
their life, all the thingsyou've been dreaming of, like
it's not just oh, wouldn't thatbe nice?
Or maybe one day, or that's notpossible for me.
If only I had that.
You know that life.
What if it was?
What if it all started withwhatever?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
And what do I want?
And not just trying to pleaseothers.
So you know, whatever you'redoing during the day, is this
what I truly want to be doing?
Or am I doing it because mypartner is working and I'm
worried that they'll judge mebecause of this?
There's so many different wayswe can take that, but even I'm
to use you in as an example.
(10:24):
What if you woke up one morningand we're like I really want to
live somewhere else, Likethat's what I truly desire, but
all my parents are getting old?
I don't know.
I probably shouldn't move.
What if my kids don't do it?
Tell us about that for you.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Yeah, yeah, of course , yeah, so that's where I am
right now.
I moved my entire family fromCanada to Spain pretty recently,
actually, I guess in October.
So we're now in January.
Yeah.
So it's a big move and it wastwo years in the making, um, but
it was something that I hadlong dreamed about.
(11:00):
Um, I think I had always wantedthis unconventional sort of
life and, like I told you, Isort of followed that path
because I felt like I had to inorder to please other people.
But I had always dreamed ofthis more unconventional life,
about living in Europe and theslower pace and the culture and,
like you know, just things likethat.
So I spent some time here as anau pair in my 20s and I knew
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that this was the place for me.
You know, I wanted to.
I wanted to learn several like.
I wanted to learn Spanish and Iwanted my kids to know Spanish
and stuff like that.
(11:47):
Talking to my husband, like,well, we always say like, oh,
wouldn't it be nice if, or maybeone day.
But what if?
We said like, well, why notlike, why can't we?
What if we just try this thing?
You know, like, worst casescenario, it doesn't work out,
we move home or whatever.
You know like, what if we justexplore this as a possibility?
So we did um and we kind oftalked it out and we figured out
a plan and not everyone's onboard with that.
You know, um, it is a bigchange.
(12:08):
We are far from family.
Um, it's a hard thing tojustify sometimes when people
don't understand what you wantor your vision.
Right.
At the same time, we knew itwas right for us and we talked
about it as family and we wejust decided we're gonna take
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that leap.
So we sold our house and westarted that journey.
Now we've moved to Spain and Ihonestly couldn't be happier.
Like as soon as we got here, Iknew that we made the right move
.
It was like a soul knowing yeah, I always felt this soul
calling to this place.
Um, but yeah, it's just, we knewin our hearts that it was right
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for us, even when other peopledidn't understand it.
But I never would have thecourage to do that if I hadn't
already stacked so much evidenceand, like, spent so much time
proving to myself that like thatI can follow my path and I can
trust what's possible, andbuilding the confidence and the
courage to make those big moves,like leaving my corporate job
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to go full time in coaching, youknow, so I could even make this
move possible.
So, yeah, it was.
It was a long time coming, butit was such a testament to
trusting when you're inalignment, and trusting your
dream and your path.
Like I've heard so many times,like your higher power, or
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whatever you believe in,wouldn't give you a vision if
you weren't capable of achievingit.
And so when I started tobelieve that truth, I was like
there's a reason why I have thisdream in my heart, there's a
reason why I have this vision.
I say that to myself and now Isay that to my kids every single
time you want something,there's a reason for this.
Follow it.
I support you, you know, and Iwish more people had said that
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to me, because maybe maybe Iwouldn't have taken the long way
around to get here.
But also I'm grateful that Idid, because if I hadn't taken
the long way around to get here,but also I'm grateful that I
did, because if I hadn't takenthat long, way around to get
here, I wouldn't have theexperience I have or be the
person I am.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
So it's all perfect in hindsight, but I do really
appreciate the opportunity togive my daughter those things
that maybe I didn't get growingup, yeah, and that's healing
right Is healing generationalthings of like recognizing, okay
, this, this pattern, thisbelief system was not working
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and so we can shift that.
But two things really jumpedout at me.
So guys listening, payattention.
One of them is trust.
That trust piece is huge and,like you said I've always said
it too If you have a dream,there's a reason why you have a
dream, doesn't mean you're goingto go be a princess and live in
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Paris, but if the dreamcontinues to follow you, then
there's a reason for it.
So trust, trust, whatever thatleap looks like for you.
And then the other thing is youare living for you.
You know like we're not here tolive for other people, and I
know that sounds kind of harsh,but it's like I can still be a
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loving person, I can be a caringperson, but I'm not here for
you, I'm here for me.
So why am I going to forego thethings that I feel like my
family needs or I am desiringthat aren't harmful to others,
just because you don't want meto do it?
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Yeah, absolutely Honestly.
It's so true because I'vethought that so many times about
this idea that, like I, onlyhave this one life to live.
Like I, we all only get givenone life and I spent so much
time wasting it, not choosing meand making those choices for me
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, and so I'm just going tomaximize whatever time I have
left by making more of thosechoices, you know, and I really
hope that I can help more womendo that too in my career.
That's what I love to do.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah Well, I'm curious in your own healing
journey and getting to thisplace, what role did?
I'll call them emotions, butlike forgiveness, compassion,
self-love, did those play a rolein your healing journey?
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yeah.
So I want to say the biggestthing about my healing journey
was recognizing how mean I wasto myself, and that's because of
how many limiting beliefs I hadabout myself, that who I should
be or what other people need tobe.
Again, going back to thatpeople pleasing right when I
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wasn't fitting into the boxes,when I wasn't doing the things,
or when I was trying to do thethings and failing.
You know, I was just so mean tomyself and I also have
perfectionist tendencies andlike really high expectations.
So, like you know, I alwaysfelt like I was setting
impossibly high standards andthen not reaching them, um, and
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I would beat myself up and Iwould judge myself.
And the truth is, throughout myhealing journey, I realized
that there's a positiveintention to this mean little
voice bullying voice.
You know our inner critic.
There's a positive intention.
Right Doesn't really mean to dous any harm.
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It's exactly so when I startedbeing like, okay, like I hear
you and I understand you're justtrying to keep me safe, but
like I've got this, you know,when I started stacking evidence
and building a confidence and Icould say to myself with
compassion, like hey, I knowthat you're scared or hey, I
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know you want me to do better,but like, like I've got this.
I know it sounds silly, likeyou're talking to yourself.
It's true, it's true, you getwell, yeah, but some people are
like you talk to yourself yes, Ido, we have really great
conversations.
Actually, you got to coachyourself Exactly.
So I started telling myselflike, hey, you know, I've got
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this, you're going to be okay.
Or I know that you're trying toprotect me and you're trying to
make me be better, and I've gotthis, you know.
Then I feel like everythingsort of shifted.
I was able to be able to reallysee the positive intention and
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not try and just positiveintention and not try and just
demonize the inner critic.
you know and love all parts ofmyself, because because that was
really the healing thing it waslike learning to love all of
the parts of myself, even theparts of myself that I didn't
like.
The more that we can understandthe parts of ourselves that we
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don't like or have compassionfor those parts, the more we
find ourselves really like fullyloving ourselves, and people
are like oh, you know, self-love, yes, I love myself, like I you
know, bubble baths and allthose things where they think
like it's just the confidenceand loving on yourself.
But no, it's about like fullyaccepting and embracing, like
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all of the shadow and all of thethings that you like, don't
like about yourself, or that youknow the mistakes that that you
make, where you know it makesyou doubt yourself, or the times
that you, you know, act in waysthat you're not proud of, and
being able to look at thosemoments.
And this was really helpful andespecially important in my
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parenting journey, because youknow like that's such a
challenge parenting brings outall the things in you that you
don't realize.
Yeah, there's a lot of guilt anda lot of shame around that,
like, oh my gosh, I raised myvoice, or oh, I said this thing,
that like, or I felt this thing, that I felt like I shouldn't
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feel, or whatever.
Um, if I, if I was a loving mom, I went and I would beat myself
up you know.
And then and then I started tohave compassion for that part
and be like what's really goingon here?
What's underneath that,recognizing what is the need
underneath the feeling whetherit's anger or frustration or
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sadness or guilt or shame likewhat is actually, what's it
trying to communicate?
Mm-hmm.
That's where things reallyshifted for me, because before
that, as a person who's reallysensitive and really emotional,
I had a lot of big feelings inmy life and I would like ride
that roller coaster of emotionalone and in shame, because
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nobody got it and everyone waslike put those feelings away.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
You're too much.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
You're too sensitive, you know, like it's not the
place, it's not the time.
I just didn't know how tohandle them.
I didn't know how to processthem, and so a lot of it was for
me learning how to accept those, those parts of myself and love
those parts of myself withcompassion, and to get there I
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really needed to understand it.
It's something that I'd neverdone before, that no one ever
took the time to help me do.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
There's not a course in school on that?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
No, no, there's not, there's not.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
There should be, there should be.
It takes time too.
This is not an overnight thing.
It's an ongoing thing of youknow, this is a trigger.
What's the lesson in there andhow can I show compassion?
And one of the things I've toldmy clients in the past is think
about how you speak to yourbest friend right.
You love on them, you encouragethem for the most part, If
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you're a good person you shouldbe speaking to yourself in the
same way, because we are our ownbiggest critics, and why we
don't need to be critics and whywe don't need to be.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Yeah, that it's so true.
Like to be your own best friend.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Also because that was like a big issue for me at one
point in my life as well where Ifelt so lonely because I had
like distanced myself from somany people because I was in
such a dark place and you know,like you kind of pull inward and
there was, there was a lot oflike shame around that and I was
like, oh, you know, like thisis because of who I am, or
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whatever, and I don't have a, Idon't have a friend that I can
call, cry on their shoulderbecause that story.
I had a.
I had a really rough point atone point with my one of my best
friends because I ended updating and now married to her
brother.
Oh, um, but yeah, Uh.
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So like that friendship, therewas a risk in it for a while and
and that that was part of, like, my journey and my struggle,
but at a time where I didn'thave that relationship in my
life.
I need to learn how to be myown best friend, right, and that
was something that I learnedthrough my journey.
But learning how to giveyourself the things that you
need, even the things that I wasexpecting from my husband,
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right.
Sometimes, I think, in a lot ofrelationships we we try to make
other people meet our needs allthe time and we don't realize
that we can actually meet ourown needs, meet our needs all
the time and we don't realizethat we can actually meet our
own needs like this persondoesn't evoke anything in me
that's not already there, right?
Yeah, um, so being able to likerecall a moment in my life
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where I felt really loved andsupported, and to be able to
like close my eyes and like callon that moment and feel those
things and know like, oh, I cancapture that and that's right
here, it's always here, whetherthose people are here or not.
Right, I can, I have that, Ican create that, I can give that
to myself, and that was such apivotal thing for me as well and
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in learning how to likenavigate that self-compassion
because, um, I learned how togive myself and myself and meet
my needs that I couldn't alwaysmeet through external sources,
right.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
And that's one of the biggest healing tools you have
and one of the biggest gifts.
So I'm curious, because Deniseand I talk about this all the
time, but we're forever onhealing journeys.
Right, if we're not talkingphysical body guys, you
shouldn't be physically healingyourself 24-7.
But, like the rest of you,there's always aspects that need
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healing relationships withothers, relationships with self,
relationships with money, likeeverything.
So I'm curious how do youembrace that and how like?
Is there an area, withoutgetting you know too personal,
that you're working on currently?
Speaker 3 (24:51):
um, yeah, so I do feel like healing as well as a
constant journey, like I'malways healing in different ways
.
I always like it like when Ispeak to my clients, I liken it
to like washing your hands.
You know, you don't just washyour hands clean and you're like
well, all good.
No, because life, you knowthings, things happen, and so
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naturally as humans, stuff getsshaken up like like you know,
the dirt and the water when youstep in it, things get shaken up
.
So, yes, I am always doing thework myself, and part of that
looks like a lot of reflectionand inquiry, because I still get
triggered in moments.
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I still have those momentswhere my emotions get triggered.
One of the biggest ones for mehas been in this journey of
moving because as much as it'sbeen like this dream come true
and it's been like amazing tofinally arrive.
You know, there's been so manymoments where I have felt
unsettled, Right and so thatcreates some unsettling in the
(25:58):
nervous system.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Right Things are new.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Things are different.
You know I'm not quite here.
I'm not quite there.
I'm in this in-between stage,like we moved like four times in
three months and it was.
There's a lot, and my kids arevery dysregulated, they're all
so little and they're, like youknow, having a hard time with
the transition.
So there's a lot of momentswhere it's been, it's been a
real challenge for me to um,continue to work with my tools
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and to, like you know, notice,oh, you know, the subtle
sensations in the body thatgives me clues like, oh, I'm
very dysregulated and that mightsound like I'll find myself
sighing when I'm loading thedishwasher.
Like, like, or like you know,I'm like, oh, I'm dysregulated
because like that sigh is a goodsign for me.
So it's like, or like you know,I'm like, ooh, I'm dysregulated
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Cause we're like that size is agood sign for me.
So it's like really aboutpaying attention and noticing
the cues in the body and comingback to that and be like Ooh,
okay, when was the last time Itook a minute for me?
Or because I was way out of myroutine with like working out
and like the way that we wereeating and stuff like that and
new foods and new schedule, andso I had, oh, okay, when's the
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last time you ate?
What did you eat?
Oh, not a balanced meal, okay.
So like just going back tocheck into those moments where I
was feeling like maybe on edge,and it's because maybe I wasn't
taking care of myself in thesame way, or because my routine
is out of whack and like that'sgonna happen.
life is gonna life they're gonnathrow you off, stop, and you
(27:30):
gotta figure out how to navigateit.
Uh, so yeah, my number one tip,I guess, and the number one
thing that I always come back to, is just maintaining connection
with myself and with my body,um, drawing awareness, and then
looking under the hood and beinglike what's going on here?
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, I mean that awareness is key.
We can't make any changeswithout awareness.
And then it's got to lead tothe inquiry.
Like we were laughing abouttalking to yourself I don't talk
out loud to myself, but thereare conversations happening in
there when I'm getting triggered.
Okay, why did this trigger me?
Is there a lesson in here?
What can I learn from this?
Because I really do vieweverything as a learning
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opportunity and everythingaround us is an opportunity for
healing, like you said movingmoving to a new country.
That's a huge area for healingopportunities for everyone.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Safety is a huge wound for me and that was
something that I've learnedthrough my, through my my
healing journey, because I had alot of moments in my childhood
where I didn't feel like a senseof safety, um, and that's that
was why that was gettingtriggered so much in this new,
which was so interestingly, Ididn't expect it.
So the other reason it kind ofcaught me off guard.
So I'm like, oh, this is mydream come true so why are all
(28:42):
these?
things coming up right and whenI sat with it in sessions I
realized, oh okay, your, yoursafety wound is being like
brushed up against right now,because there's a lot of things
that are making you feel, oh,this is unknown.
Unknown equals unsafe.
Now, how do I navigate this?
It's a lot of extra stress onthe nervous system.
(29:02):
I'm outside of my window oftolerance.
Like, how do I re-regulate andbring myself back by taking
extra time and care for myself?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah Well, this was such a lovely conversation.
If people want to come find you, what's the best way to do that
?
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah, so they can find me on Instagram at
sunflowers in sun showers orthey can.
Yeah, there's a big storybehind that.
Or they can find me on mywebsite at
wwwsunflowersinsunshowerscom.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Awesome and, guys, this is always in the show notes
.
You can look her up in there.
But it was so nice speakingwith you.
I always love.
Here's the thing Denise and Ialso talk about this a lot.
This podcast has been healingfor us and we didn't intend for
it to be that, but every guestbrings us something where it's
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like, oh, that hits home.
I needed to hear that, and sowe just always appreciate you
guys coming on and hoping thatit hits others in the same way.
Yeah, so, guys, we will see youon the next episode.
You know the drill.
We love feedback.
Come hit us up on our Instagrampage.
Let us know what you want tohear about, leave us a review,
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share it with a friend, do allthe things and have a lovely day
.
Welcome to the Heal Yourself Podcast, where we dive
deep into all things healing.
I'm Denise, a speech-languagepathologist and a self-love
coach for adults and teens.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
And I'm Kira, a traditional naturopath and
functional nutritionist, and weare here to guide you through
the transformative process ofhealing your body, mind and soul
.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
From the latest in functional medicine to nurturing
your relationship with yourself, healing trauma and even
transforming your money story.
We're here to empower you withthe knowledge and tools to
create lasting change.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
So, whether you're looking to heal physically,
emotionally or spiritually, joinus as we explore the many paths
to wholeness and wellness.
Hey guys, welcome back toanother episode.
It is Kira today, and we arejoined by a special guest.
(01:00):
Her name is Nikki Brown.
She is a women's empowermentcoach, helping women heal their
wounds, upgrade their identityand finally flourish in their
authenticity, so they cancultivate the courage to turn
their dreams into a livedreality.
So, Nikki, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Thank you for having me, kira, so happy to be here.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, glad to have you.
So I always kick it off Tell ushow you got here.
You and I were chatting alittle bit beforehand, but it's
right, none of us gets to thisjourney of helping others on
their healing journey unlesswe've been through our own
journey.
Like it doesn't happen that way.
So give us a little bit of yourbackstory.
(01:41):
How did you get to this place?
What was your healing journeylike?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah, for sure, I'm going to take you way back for a
minute.
I was always.
I was always this kid who is,you know, such a sensitive soul,
but I always cared so muchabout the world and I felt like
I was.
I always felt like I was meantto help people or to do
something, and my parents, forall of the wonderful parents
(02:11):
that they were, just didn'tquite get me, you know, like we
were just different, and so, youknow, we all have our
challenges, but I just I didn'tget the support that I needed as
a very sensitive child toreally be like seen and heard
and understood, and that left alot of wounding in me.
Um, and as I got older, youknow, school and social
(02:37):
interactions and all that justjust adds to it.
So I basically grew up in afamily with a lot of limiting
beliefs and in that process Ideveloped a lot of ideas about
who I was and what I was capableof, and this belief that I
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always had to struggle or that Iwas always behind, and things
like that.
And so I made a lot of choicesjust kind of based on what other
people told me I was or what Ishould do in my life and I
wasn't ever making those choicesFor me.
I didn't realize it at the time, of course, I was fully blind
(03:21):
to it, right, but.
But I was following somebodyelse's path my whole life.
And, long story short, I woke upone day and I didn't recognize
the person I was.
You know, I didn't recognize theperson I was, or I didn't
understand how I got here inthis life that I had created,
(03:42):
because I had been followingeveryone else's guidance and
everyone else's expectations mywhole life.
And that was a rude awakeningfor me because at the time, you
know, I had a daughter and, um,I was.
I had this moment where Ididn't like the mom I was
becoming and that was thebiggest shake up for me, because
(04:05):
I had dreamt for so long aboutbeing a mother and, looking at
myself and looking at her, Icould see myself making those
same mistakes, you know, fallinginto those patterns, and I
realized, like I could see themirror, and I was like, oh, oh,
something really has to change.
And I took a really hard lookat my life and I realized all
(04:28):
the places where, um, I wasmaking unhealthy choices for me
and I was kind of sleepwalkingthrough my life, you know, and
and then I wondered why I waslike burnt out and like cracking
under the pressure, and and Iwas struggling under the weight
of this, like perfectionism, um,and this overachiever-ness, uh,
(04:52):
trying to do it all and be itall and have it all, and and I
didn't even know what I reallywanted for me.
But I knew it wasn't that and Iknew that was the thing that was
making me unhappy, like this isthe thing that's making me like
the mom with the short fuse andthe unable to handle stress and
always overwhelmed because I'mtrying to do too much, I'm
(05:14):
trying to be it all and have itall and and maybe I just need to
change something.
So that's that's kind of wheremy journey began with.
With this realization, and,truthfully, I started looking to
fix myself.
When I started my personaldevelopment journey, I was like
there is something wrong with me.
I'm living the North Americandream.
(05:35):
I have climbed the corporateladder, I have the house, I have
this marriage, I have the kid,I have all of the things.
I checked all the boxes.
I followed the path thateveryone told me to why am I
here?
Why doesn't this feel right?
And yeah, and that's when I waslike I got.
There's got to be somethingwrong with me.
(05:56):
I started on this journeythinking that I would just learn
some stuff to fix myself andthrough that process, but I
really realized that there wasnothing wrong with me.
It was simply that I had boughtinto the lies that other people
told me and bought into thelies of like what I should do,
be and have, without stoppingthe question, what was really
(06:20):
right for me.
And that was the big turningpoint for me, where I started to
do the work, to question, like,well, who am I like what?
What does feel right for me?
And like, started that processof excavating, um and looking at
everything and saying, well,like such a silly example I
(06:42):
always use.
But it was really one of thefirst big turning points for me.
Um, I had spent my whole lifewith people telling me oh,
you're clumsy, I'm coordinated,I'm graceful.
I didn't play any sport, um, Ididn't want to work out or go to
the gym because I was tooembarrassed, I'm like I can't do
anything, you know.
So I was creating part of theunhealthy lifestyle that I
wanted to change.
Um, and I always wanted todance.
(07:06):
I don't know why.
I just love dancing.
I always wanted to dance as akid and I never did so.
I was like I wonder if this istrue about me, I wonder if I
could just test this as apossibility.
And so I joined a dance class.
I joined a hot mama's hip-hop.
I love it and I would love to belike, yeah, that was amazing
(07:31):
dancer.
I wasn't, but I wasn't terrible, you know.
And and I started to build myconfidence with that.
And I started to be like, oh,maybe I'm not so uncoordinated.
And then, when people wouldthrow me things, I'd start to
try and catch it and I'd be like, oh, look at that, I caught
that.
And so, like, over this time, Istarted stacking the evidence
and building the evidence forfor, like, oh, disbelief is not
(07:51):
true yeah people said thosethings about me, but I just
bought into it and that'sactually not true.
So then I threw that away.
That's not who I am anymore,and then I started to like,
rediscover and redefine who Iwas.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Which is so important and I feel like so many women
are missing that as a healingopportunity.
Right, it's like, okay, as kids, we follow what our parents say
, that's understandable, andthen it's okay, well, you're
supposed to go to collegebecause that's what you do, and
you don't know what you want todo, why don't you follow in one
of our footsteps?
(08:25):
or you're good at this from whatyou do, and you don't know what
you want to do.
Why don't you follow in one ofour footsteps?
Or you're good at this fromwhat I see.
So this is what I think youshould go into.
And then that just continues tostack over the years.
And then, yeah, one day you'relike wait a minute, I'm doing
this and I don't even want to bedoing this, but we're trying to
please other people withoutdigging into what we need.
(08:47):
And I know we spoke about thisearlier, but I made a post today
on social just saying what isyour soul asking, and we don't
ask that often enough.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
No, or what is your soul need?
And like, yeah, just juststopping to like start
questioning those things in mylife needs such a big difference
.
And when I started to redefinewho I was and I started to like
start questioning those thingsin my life needs such a big
difference.
And when I started to redefinewho I was and I started to like
(09:16):
do that work to you know,reclaim pieces of myself, I
started to feel better and I waslike, wow, you know, imagine,
all my life I've been limitingmyself with all these beliefs.
I wonder what else is possiblefor me, right?
And that's where I wonder whatelse is?
possible for me, right?
And that's where we I wonderwhat else is possible for me.
And that's really how I gotinto coaching, because I was
once.
I started to make those changesin my life and question all
these beliefs and recreate theperson that I was.
(09:38):
I started to be like I need towake other women up to the
possibilities that they'reasleep to, for themselves, for
their life, all the thingsyou've been dreaming of, like
it's not just oh, wouldn't thatbe nice?
Or maybe one day, or that's notpossible for me.
If only I had that.
You know that life.
What if it was?
What if it all started withwhatever?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
And what do I want?
And not just trying to pleaseothers.
So you know, whatever you'redoing during the day, is this
what I truly want to be doing?
Or am I doing it because mypartner is working and I'm
worried that they'll judge mebecause of this?
There's so many different wayswe can take that, but even I'm
to use you in as an example.
(10:24):
What if you woke up one morningand we're like I really want to
live somewhere else, Likethat's what I truly desire, but
all my parents are getting old?
I don't know.
I probably shouldn't move.
What if my kids don't do it?
Tell us about that for you.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Yeah, yeah, of course , yeah, so that's where I am
right now.
I moved my entire family fromCanada to Spain pretty recently,
actually, I guess in October.
So we're now in January.
Yeah.
So it's a big move and it wastwo years in the making, um, but
it was something that I hadlong dreamed about.
(11:00):
Um, I think I had always wantedthis unconventional sort of
life and, like I told you, Isort of followed that path
because I felt like I had to inorder to please other people.
But I had always dreamed ofthis more unconventional life,
about living in Europe and theslower pace and the culture and,
like you know, just things likethat.
So I spent some time here as anau pair in my 20s and I knew
(11:27):
that this was the place for me.
You know, I wanted to.
I wanted to learn several like.
I wanted to learn Spanish and Iwanted my kids to know Spanish
and stuff like that.
(11:47):
Talking to my husband, like,well, we always say like, oh,
wouldn't it be nice if, or maybeone day.
But what if?
We said like, well, why notlike, why can't we?
What if we just try this thing?
You know, like, worst casescenario, it doesn't work out,
we move home or whatever.
You know like, what if we justexplore this as a possibility?
So we did um and we kind oftalked it out and we figured out
a plan and not everyone's onboard with that.
You know, um, it is a bigchange.
(12:08):
We are far from family.
Um, it's a hard thing tojustify sometimes when people
don't understand what you wantor your vision.
Right.
At the same time, we knew itwas right for us and we talked
about it as family and we wejust decided we're gonna take
(12:28):
that leap.
So we sold our house and westarted that journey.
Now we've moved to Spain and Ihonestly couldn't be happier.
Like as soon as we got here, Iknew that we made the right move
.
It was like a soul knowing yeah, I always felt this soul
calling to this place.
Um, but yeah, it's just, we knewin our hearts that it was right
(12:50):
for us, even when other peopledidn't understand it.
But I never would have thecourage to do that if I hadn't
already stacked so much evidenceand, like, spent so much time
proving to myself that like thatI can follow my path and I can
trust what's possible, andbuilding the confidence and the
courage to make those big moves,like leaving my corporate job
(13:11):
to go full time in coaching, youknow, so I could even make this
move possible.
So, yeah, it was.
It was a long time coming, butit was such a testament to
trusting when you're inalignment, and trusting your
dream and your path.
Like I've heard so many times,like your higher power, or
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whatever you believe in,wouldn't give you a vision if
you weren't capable of achievingit.
And so when I started tobelieve that truth, I was like
there's a reason why I have thisdream in my heart, there's a
reason why I have this vision.
I say that to myself and now Isay that to my kids every single
time you want something,there's a reason for this.
Follow it.
I support you, you know, and Iwish more people had said that
(13:58):
to me, because maybe maybe Iwouldn't have taken the long way
around to get here.
But also I'm grateful that Idid, because if I hadn't taken
the long way around to get here,but also I'm grateful that I
did, because if I hadn't takenthat long, way around to get
here, I wouldn't have theexperience I have or be the
person I am.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
So it's all perfect in hindsight, but I do really
appreciate the opportunity togive my daughter those things
that maybe I didn't get growingup, yeah, and that's healing
right Is healing generationalthings of like recognizing, okay
, this, this pattern, thisbelief system was not working
(14:37):
and so we can shift that.
But two things really jumpedout at me.
So guys listening, payattention.
One of them is trust.
That trust piece is huge and,like you said I've always said
it too If you have a dream,there's a reason why you have a
dream, doesn't mean you're goingto go be a princess and live in
(14:59):
Paris, but if the dreamcontinues to follow you, then
there's a reason for it.
So trust, trust, whatever thatleap looks like for you.
And then the other thing is youare living for you.
You know like we're not here tolive for other people, and I
know that sounds kind of harsh,but it's like I can still be a
(15:22):
loving person, I can be a caringperson, but I'm not here for
you, I'm here for me.
So why am I going to forego thethings that I feel like my
family needs or I am desiringthat aren't harmful to others,
just because you don't want meto do it?
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Yeah, absolutely Honestly.
It's so true because I'vethought that so many times about
this idea that, like I, onlyhave this one life to live.
Like I, we all only get givenone life and I spent so much
time wasting it, not choosing meand making those choices for me
(16:02):
, and so I'm just going tomaximize whatever time I have
left by making more of thosechoices, you know, and I really
hope that I can help more womendo that too in my career.
That's what I love to do.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah Well, I'm curious in your own healing
journey and getting to thisplace, what role did?
I'll call them emotions, butlike forgiveness, compassion,
self-love, did those play a rolein your healing journey?
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yeah.
So I want to say the biggestthing about my healing journey
was recognizing how mean I wasto myself, and that's because of
how many limiting beliefs I hadabout myself, that who I should
be or what other people need tobe.
Again, going back to thatpeople pleasing right when I
(16:55):
wasn't fitting into the boxes,when I wasn't doing the things,
or when I was trying to do thethings and failing.
You know, I was just so mean tomyself and I also have
perfectionist tendencies andlike really high expectations.
So, like you know, I alwaysfelt like I was setting
impossibly high standards andthen not reaching them, um, and
(17:18):
I would beat myself up and Iwould judge myself.
And the truth is, throughout myhealing journey, I realized
that there's a positiveintention to this mean little
voice bullying voice.
You know our inner critic.
There's a positive intention.
Right Doesn't really mean to dous any harm.
(17:39):
It's exactly so when I startedbeing like, okay, like I hear
you and I understand you're justtrying to keep me safe, but
like I've got this, you know,when I started stacking evidence
and building a confidence and Icould say to myself with
compassion, like hey, I knowthat you're scared or hey, I
(18:01):
know you want me to do better,but like, like I've got this.
I know it sounds silly, likeyou're talking to yourself.
It's true, it's true, you getwell, yeah, but some people are
like you talk to yourself yes, Ido, we have really great
conversations.
Actually, you got to coachyourself Exactly.
So I started telling myselflike, hey, you know, I've got
(18:22):
this, you're going to be okay.
Or I know that you're trying toprotect me and you're trying to
make me be better, and I've gotthis, you know.
Then I feel like everythingsort of shifted.
I was able to be able to reallysee the positive intention and
(18:43):
not try and just positiveintention and not try and just
demonize the inner critic.
you know and love all parts ofmyself, because because that was
really the healing thing it waslike learning to love all of
the parts of myself, even theparts of myself that I didn't
like.
The more that we can understandthe parts of ourselves that we
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don't like or have compassionfor those parts, the more we
find ourselves really like fullyloving ourselves, and people
are like oh, you know, self-love, yes, I love myself, like I you
know, bubble baths and allthose things where they think
like it's just the confidenceand loving on yourself.
But no, it's about like fullyaccepting and embracing, like
(19:27):
all of the shadow and all of thethings that you like, don't
like about yourself, or that youknow the mistakes that that you
make, where you know it makesyou doubt yourself, or the times
that you, you know, act in waysthat you're not proud of, and
being able to look at thosemoments.
And this was really helpful andespecially important in my
(19:49):
parenting journey, because youknow like that's such a
challenge parenting brings outall the things in you that you
don't realize.
Yeah, there's a lot of guilt anda lot of shame around that,
like, oh my gosh, I raised myvoice, or oh, I said this thing,
that like, or I felt this thing, that I felt like I shouldn't
(20:10):
feel, or whatever.
Um, if I, if I was a loving mom, I went and I would beat myself
up you know.
And then and then I started tohave compassion for that part
and be like what's really goingon here?
What's underneath that,recognizing what is the need
underneath the feeling whetherit's anger or frustration or
(20:32):
sadness or guilt or shame likewhat is actually, what's it
trying to communicate?
Mm-hmm.
That's where things reallyshifted for me, because before
that, as a person who's reallysensitive and really emotional,
I had a lot of big feelings inmy life and I would like ride
that roller coaster of emotionalone and in shame, because
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nobody got it and everyone waslike put those feelings away.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
You're too much.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
You're too sensitive, you know, like it's not the
place, it's not the time.
I just didn't know how tohandle them.
I didn't know how to processthem, and so a lot of it was for
me learning how to accept those, those parts of myself and love
those parts of myself withcompassion, and to get there I
(21:20):
really needed to understand it.
It's something that I'd neverdone before, that no one ever
took the time to help me do.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
There's not a course in school on that?
Speaker 3 (21:28):
No, no, there's not, there's not.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
There should be, there should be.
It takes time too.
This is not an overnight thing.
It's an ongoing thing of youknow, this is a trigger.
What's the lesson in there andhow can I show compassion?
And one of the things I've toldmy clients in the past is think
about how you speak to yourbest friend right.
You love on them, you encouragethem for the most part, If
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you're a good person you shouldbe speaking to yourself in the
same way, because we are our ownbiggest critics, and why we
don't need to be critics and whywe don't need to be.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Yeah, that it's so true.
Like to be your own best friend.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Also because that was like a big issue for me at one
point in my life as well where Ifelt so lonely because I had
like distanced myself from somany people because I was in
such a dark place and you know,like you kind of pull inward and
there was, there was a lot oflike shame around that and I was
like, oh, you know, like thisis because of who I am, or
(22:31):
whatever, and I don't have a, Idon't have a friend that I can
call, cry on their shoulderbecause that story.
I had a.
I had a really rough point atone point with my one of my best
friends because I ended updating and now married to her
brother.
Oh, um, but yeah, Uh.
(22:52):
So like that friendship, therewas a risk in it for a while and
and that that was part of, like, my journey and my struggle,
but at a time where I didn'thave that relationship in my
life.
I need to learn how to be myown best friend, right, and that
was something that I learnedthrough my journey.
But learning how to giveyourself the things that you
need, even the things that I wasexpecting from my husband,
(23:15):
right.
Sometimes, I think, in a lot ofrelationships we we try to make
other people meet our needs allthe time and we don't realize
that we can actually meet ourown needs, meet our needs all
the time and we don't realizethat we can actually meet our
own needs like this persondoesn't evoke anything in me
that's not already there, right?
Yeah, um, so being able to likerecall a moment in my life
(23:37):
where I felt really loved andsupported, and to be able to
like close my eyes and like callon that moment and feel those
things and know like, oh, I cancapture that and that's right
here, it's always here, whetherthose people are here or not.
Right, I can, I have that, Ican create that, I can give that
to myself, and that was such apivotal thing for me as well and
(23:58):
in learning how to likenavigate that self-compassion
because, um, I learned how togive myself and myself and meet
my needs that I couldn't alwaysmeet through external sources,
right.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
And that's one of the biggest healing tools you have
and one of the biggest gifts.
So I'm curious, because Deniseand I talk about this all the
time, but we're forever onhealing journeys.
Right, if we're not talkingphysical body guys, you
shouldn't be physically healingyourself 24-7.
But, like the rest of you,there's always aspects that need
(24:34):
healing relationships withothers, relationships with self,
relationships with money, likeeverything.
So I'm curious how do youembrace that and how like?
Is there an area, withoutgetting you know too personal,
that you're working on currently?
Speaker 3 (24:51):
um, yeah, so I do feel like healing as well as a
constant journey, like I'malways healing in different ways
.
I always like it like when Ispeak to my clients, I liken it
to like washing your hands.
You know, you don't just washyour hands clean and you're like
well, all good.
No, because life, you knowthings, things happen, and so
(25:15):
naturally as humans, stuff getsshaken up like like you know,
the dirt and the water when youstep in it, things get shaken up
.
So, yes, I am always doing thework myself, and part of that
looks like a lot of reflectionand inquiry, because I still get
triggered in moments.
(25:35):
I still have those momentswhere my emotions get triggered.
One of the biggest ones for mehas been in this journey of
moving because as much as it'sbeen like this dream come true
and it's been like amazing tofinally arrive.
You know, there's been so manymoments where I have felt
unsettled, Right and so thatcreates some unsettling in the
(25:58):
nervous system.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Right Things are new.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Things are different.
You know I'm not quite here.
I'm not quite there.
I'm in this in-between stage,like we moved like four times in
three months and it was.
There's a lot, and my kids arevery dysregulated, they're all
so little and they're, like youknow, having a hard time with
the transition.
So there's a lot of momentswhere it's been, it's been a
real challenge for me to um,continue to work with my tools
(26:25):
and to, like you know, notice,oh, you know, the subtle
sensations in the body thatgives me clues like, oh, I'm
very dysregulated and that mightsound like I'll find myself
sighing when I'm loading thedishwasher.
Like, like, or like you know,I'm like, oh, I'm dysregulated
because like that sigh is a goodsign for me.
So it's like, or like you know,I'm like, ooh, I'm dysregulated
(26:45):
Cause we're like that size is agood sign for me.
So it's like really aboutpaying attention and noticing
the cues in the body and comingback to that and be like Ooh,
okay, when was the last time Itook a minute for me?
Or because I was way out of myroutine with like working out
and like the way that we wereeating and stuff like that and
new foods and new schedule, andso I had, oh, okay, when's the
(27:07):
last time you ate?
What did you eat?
Oh, not a balanced meal, okay.
So like just going back tocheck into those moments where I
was feeling like maybe on edge,and it's because maybe I wasn't
taking care of myself in thesame way, or because my routine
is out of whack and like that'sgonna happen.
life is gonna life they're gonnathrow you off, stop, and you
(27:30):
gotta figure out how to navigateit.
Uh, so yeah, my number one tip,I guess, and the number one
thing that I always come back to, is just maintaining connection
with myself and with my body,um, drawing awareness, and then
looking under the hood and beinglike what's going on here?
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, I mean that awareness is key.
We can't make any changeswithout awareness.
And then it's got to lead tothe inquiry.
Like we were laughing abouttalking to yourself I don't talk
out loud to myself, but thereare conversations happening in
there when I'm getting triggered.
Okay, why did this trigger me?
Is there a lesson in here?
What can I learn from this?
Because I really do vieweverything as a learning
(28:08):
opportunity and everythingaround us is an opportunity for
healing, like you said movingmoving to a new country.
That's a huge area for healingopportunities for everyone.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Safety is a huge wound for me and that was
something that I've learnedthrough my, through my my
healing journey, because I had alot of moments in my childhood
where I didn't feel like a senseof safety, um, and that's that
was why that was gettingtriggered so much in this new,
which was so interestingly, Ididn't expect it.
So the other reason it kind ofcaught me off guard.
So I'm like, oh, this is mydream come true so why are all
(28:42):
these?
things coming up right and whenI sat with it in sessions I
realized, oh okay, your, yoursafety wound is being like
brushed up against right now,because there's a lot of things
that are making you feel, oh,this is unknown.
Unknown equals unsafe.
Now, how do I navigate this?
It's a lot of extra stress onthe nervous system.
(29:02):
I'm outside of my window oftolerance.
Like, how do I re-regulate andbring myself back by taking
extra time and care for myself?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah Well, this was such a lovely conversation.
If people want to come find you, what's the best way to do that
?
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah, so they can find me on Instagram at
sunflowers in sun showers orthey can.
Yeah, there's a big storybehind that.
Or they can find me on mywebsite at
wwwsunflowersinsunshowerscom.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Awesome and, guys, this is always in the show notes
.
You can look her up in there.
But it was so nice speakingwith you.
I always love.
Here's the thing Denise and Ialso talk about this a lot.
This podcast has been healingfor us and we didn't intend for
it to be that, but every guestbrings us something where it's
(30:03):
like, oh, that hits home.
I needed to hear that, and sowe just always appreciate you
guys coming on and hoping thatit hits others in the same way.
Yeah, so, guys, we will see youon the next episode.
You know the drill.
We love feedback.
Come hit us up on our Instagrampage.
Let us know what you want tohear about, leave us a review,
(30:25):
share it with a friend, do allthe things and have a lovely day
.
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