November 13, 2025 • 31 mins
What if your day isn’t shaped by what happens, but by the meaning you give it? We dive into the hidden power of interpretations (the fast stories your brain writes about a text, a comment, a delay)m and how those stories quietly drive your mood, your relationships, and even your physical health.
We unpack why every event is neutral until you add a narrative, and how your nervous system responds to those narratives as if they’re real threats or safe signals. From social media misunderstandings to traffic meltdowns, we show how to swap stress-fueled stories for interpretations that protect your peace. You’ll hear a candid health story about weight changes tied to safety and regulation, plus how leaving a dysregulating environment restored appetite, energy, and calm—proof that smoothies and supplements can’t outwork a body stuck in survival mode.
Together we explore triggers as teachers, the trap of over-explaining, and the freedom of letting people misread you while you honor your values. We close with a guided breath and a mantra: “Meaning is what I make it, and I choose peace,” so you can anchor these insights in your body, not just your mind.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:03):
Welcome to the Heal Yourself Podcast, where we dive
deep into all things healing.
I'm Denise, a speech languagepathologist and a self-love
coach for adults and teens.
SPEAKER_00 (00:15):
And I'm Kira, a traditional naturopath and
functional nutritionist, andwe're here to guide you through
the transformative process ofhealing your body, mind, and
soul.
SPEAKER_01 (00:25):
From the latest in functional medicine to nurturing
your relationship with yourself,healing trauma, and even
transforming your money story.
We're here to empower you withthe knowledge and tools to
create lasting change.
SPEAKER_00 (00:39):
So whether you're looking to heal physically,
emotionally, or spiritually,join us as we explore the many
paths to wholeness and wellness.
Hey everyone, welcome back toanother episode of Heal Yourself
Podcast.
Today you got Denise and I, andwe're talking about one of my
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favorite topics,interpretations.
SPEAKER_01 (01:03):
I always have to do that.
SPEAKER_00 (01:07):
But I mean, we we make interpretations about
everything.
Like listening right now, you'remaking an interpretation.
Looking at my cup of coffee overhere, I'm making an
interpretation.
Like everything in your life isan interpretation.
And I think that's important toknow, especially on your healing
journey, and and just living inthis world, right?
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You're having conversations withother people.
I think it's important torecognize that you're making
interpretations about them, theway you're perceiving what
they're saying, how they'resaying it to you, and they're
also making interpretations.
So yeah, I see you shaking.
SPEAKER_01 (01:48):
Yeah.
I'm agreeing with you becauseyou told me yesterday about the
topic, and I was like, Yeah,let's roll with it.
So, what do you have for us?
I mean, yeah, we always rollwith it.
We always do this.
We don't prep, we literally justtalk about it.
We're like, oh, I mean, becausealso we we also take examples
from our lives and then from thepeople around us.
(02:09):
I think something happened lastweek in the situation with you,
and um, and then I kind of seeit.
We're not gonna name names andwe're not gonna also really be
specific about the topic, butyou sent me something that you
had posted or someone sent you amessage, and and when you told
me the background, and you'relike, you kind of was like,
(02:30):
Well, this person is seeking isinterpreting negativity, and
then which is which is very wasvery obvious to me, it's like
there are so many ways that shecould have gone, or he, I'm
gonna throw for a loop.
And then that person choseconsistently to choose that to
interpret the negative side ofthings instead of the positive
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side of things, and some of thethings were said were like it
doesn't even make sense whereyou're headed with this, so it's
absolutely what you said.
It is, it's truly what weinterpret.
Like, you know, you and I canlook at we can walk into a room,
you and I can walk into a room,and depends on our experiences
and what we're telling ourselvesand our thoughts.
(03:12):
We can interpret that aseverybody's horrible, I hate
them.
It's like a negative situation,or you can go in, oh my
goodness, it's so awesome! Like,I'm loving, I love meeting new
people, they're amazing.
You know, we all have ourdifferent colors with different
diversities and whatever.
So it yeah, it's just little,and it also depends on our
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experiences, I feel as well.
SPEAKER_00 (03:35):
I a hundred percent think that because if you go
into a situation, but you've hadall of these experiences in your
life, whether childhood, in your20s, whatever, that's going to
shape how you're interpretingthings, right?
Like we always hear um, youknow, do you see the glass is
half empty or half full?
Well, that's still making aninterpretation, and it's based
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on your upbringing.
How did you grow up?
How did all of these years shapeyour life?
And then now, based on thosethings, how are you
interpreting?
Because you're right, I made apost on social media and I was
not triggered.
Uh, like I didn't care, but I'mlike, gosh, I feel like I'm
being misinterpreted because Idon't mean it this way.
And this is what can be soimportant, like I said, not just
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on the healing journey, buthaving conversations and having
relationships with other peopleof recognizing, hmm, I don't
think that they're understandingthings the way that I mean it.
Many people then it leads toarguments, right?
And it's not healthy.
But you could say, like, hey, Ireally think you're
misinterpreting it.
How are you perceiving this?
What meaning are you making?
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Because we're meaning-makingmachines, and then that can lead
to another conversation, right?
SPEAKER_01 (04:47):
Exactly.
And um, I I got something in myhead, and it just like went away
right away when you weretalking.
Oh my goodness.
But um yes, it's it's um, Idon't know, it's just gone.
It will come back, but it'sgone.
Yes, and it's just and it I haveto go back to what are you
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telling yourself that day,right?
And um, and again, you know, oh,oh, oh, people are gonna
misinterpret you ormisunderstand you no matter what
you do.
So always say your your what youwant to say, right?
Because and then again, whatthey interpret or what they
misunderstand is not yourbecause I feel sometimes that
yeah, I think what when you weretalking kind of like triggered
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with me, not triggered, said tome something because I used to
be misunderstood a lot in myrelationship and very
misinterpreted, and then I feltlike I had the need to explain
and explain and explain, and youfall into the over-explaining,
which is drama response, and nowI noticed myself
over-explaining.
So now I try to like no keep itto the minimum, even if it's
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just like a with with a friend,instead of like, okay, I can't
go to the whatever to the dinnerinstead of saying, Well, I have
this, this, and this.
So I started practicing withthat, but it's also really,
really, really important that toknow to say what you want to
say, to say your truth to towhatever, no matter how people
are gonna perceive you orinterpret, because you're not
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their experiences, you're nottheir thoughts.
You don't know what they'rewalking around all day long
telling.
They may be walking into thesituation, already making up
their mind, they're gonna arguewith you.
So no matter what you say andwhat you do, there's nothing,
nothing can change that.
No power can change that otherthan letting it go.
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And again, in another thing, youwalking into a situation or an
art or or in a conversation orwhatever, walking in um with an
open mind.
I'm gonna go to what we tell mystudents is flexible brain,
right?
It just keeps you open toeverything versus like, oh no,
no, I'm this, I'm this.
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This can be applied to politics,like you know, when people are
like, Oh, I'm only that, I'm notgonna see the other side.
Well, wait a minute, I do seeboth sides.
You know, a friend of minecalled me last week and she told
me about a situation, and I waslike literally like laughing
because I was like, I told her,I because I know the two people,
I was like, I literally see bothsides, I can see how you took it
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this way, how you know thatperson took it that way, and
then they ended up, of course,texting, and it was just total
misunderstanding, right?
So, um, it it does matter to umexpress yourself all the time,
your truth, and don'tover-explain.
SPEAKER_00 (07:33):
Well, and I also think, yes, I mean I agree with
you, but I think like this is ahealing podcast, and someone
might be like, Well, how doesthis like how does this roll
into healing?
And honestly, think about it.
If you're always misinterpretingthings, if you're going into
something making meaning beforethe situation has happened, if
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you're going in with negative,um, you know, like a negative
background before you get to it,think about what that's doing to
your physical body, think aboutwhat it's doing to your nervous
system.
If you're always doing that,that's that's not healthy for
your mind, your body, any of it,right?
SPEAKER_01 (08:13):
Yeah, and if your nervous system is dysregulated,
guess what?
Your whole health is going downthe drain, no matter how much
smoothies and how much kaleyou're eating, buddy.
Yeah, you know what I mean, orgirl.
Or what pills you're taking, howmany supplement pills you're
taking, because when yournervous system is dysregulated,
it is no bueno, no bueno.
Like you need to really, I youknow, sometimes I know that we
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don't talk about likesupplements and health and like
body and organs and systems, butwe're talking about the really,
I think the most importantthing, which is truly healing
the your inside, the thoughts,the trauma, the experiences, the
the interpretations, becausethose are all making you sick
because it's driving yournerves, your nervous system
haywire.
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And when your nervous system isnot happy, you're not safe.
And when you're not safe, guesswhat?
There's no digestion happening,there's no explosion happening.
SPEAKER_00 (09:02):
All of it, and that's the thing.
Think about how many times, likeyou guys listening right now,
how many times have youmisinterpreted?
And if you're like, oh no, I Iyou know, I don't look around.
When I said we're meaning makingmachines, we are everything in
your life is neutral, and thatmight be triggering to hear, but
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every situation that happens isneutral.
There's no positive, there's nonegative.
You create that positive ornegative.
And so if you're always going inwith oh, this thing happened, or
this conversation, whatever itmight be, if you're making the
meaning mean something negative,that's dysregulating your
nervous system.
(09:44):
You're not gonna feel good aboutit.
Why not say, hmm, I want tobetter understand this
situation, this person,whatever, create a better
meaning.
And there are so many exampleswe could look at, like look
around.
We could be in the exact samesituation where Denise and I are
stuck in traffic and you'recursing up a storm because you
want to get somewhere, and yourinterpretation is that people
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are idiots or whatever, youknow.
And I'm looking around and I'mlike, oh my gosh, that's such a
cool car right there.
And oh, I haven't seen the skythis blue in a long time.
So even little things like that,you're making meaning.
SPEAKER_01 (10:19):
So I get to listen to my audible book for longer
right now.
SPEAKER_00 (10:23):
Exactly.
And and that's the thing, youget to choose because the
situations are always neutral.
So, what are you gonna do withthat?
How are you gonna interpret it?
Interpretate.
I just made up a word,interpreted.
SPEAKER_01 (10:35):
I totally made up a word, interpreted, and this is
an English teacher, right there,people.
Okay, seeing of perfection.
Walking in yesterday, I wasstarting, I started listening to
one of Kathy's podcasts, and shewas talking about like, you
know, just really like the shewalks in in any situation, um,
and per like knowing that it'sokay not to be perfect, right?
So it doesn't um uh freeze heror do whatever she needs to do,
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whatever.
But anyway, I'm gonna give anexample about health, to be
honest with you, with myself.
Because remember, for thelongest time, I I've been trying
to gain weight for the longesttime, and I keep losing, losing,
losing, even though I'm eating.
It's not like I'm not eating,because I would tell myself,
like, I know you're eating,Denise, but what's going on?
It's because my nervous systemwas dysregulated being in you
know in the relationship.
But when I left the relationshipand when I left the environment,
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I'm gaining weight.
I'm gaining weight.
And I am eating maybe the sameor a little bit more.
I'm not gonna deny it, but alsowhy am I eating a little bit
more?
Because my nervous system issafe, my nervous system is
regulated.
Sorry, my nervous system isregulated.
There's safety, there is theneed to eat, there's the need to
feel the hunger.
Whereas before, even when I feltthe hunger, my nervous system
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was like, Nope, you're not safe,you're in survival mode.
I need to save you becauseremember, we are wired to be um
for survival, right?
And so that's you know, I havebeen gaining weight and I feel
much better.
I do, and the thing is, anotherthing is just whenever I want to
nap, I nap.
And I've been napping, you know,to kind of also help my nervous
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system more.
So it does, whatever we'retalking about, really, really,
really does help with yourhealth.
So evaluate where whatever inyour health journey you are and
see, like what am I interpretingor what am I seeing, or and I
love what you said, you know,walking in everything is neutral
with every situation is neutral,is what what the spices that we
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put on it, and you decide whatkind of seasoning and what kind
of spices you want your lifebecause it does come back to a
choice, and I know we're brokenrecord, but it does come back to
a choice, no matter what.
Like it could like the trafficsituation.
I could you could look at itlike, yay, I can listen to the
podcast, it's an hour.
Thank God I get to finish it,and I'll be like, What the heck?
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I'm late now.
Everything's gonna get ruined,and guess what?
Everything will get ruined.
SPEAKER_00 (12:52):
Yeah, because you're the one assigning the meaning to
it, and meaning is aninterpretation.
And I just I want to touch onwhat you said because I love
that you brought up the nervoussystem, that's like my love
language.
But if we think about it, ournervous system stores every
single meaning that we make,right?
And I don't think a lot ofpeople really think about that.
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They think about, oh, okay, Iread that, you know, uh the body
stores emotions, but it's thesame thing.
When you're creating meaning oran interpretation, there are
emotions behind that.
If you're constantly, like I'llI'll use my social media um as
an example.
If you're constantly someonethat wants to argue, not on my
page, because I don't care, butlike going to other people's and
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being like, I don't agree, Idon't agree, I don't agree.
This is wrong.
A, why do you care?
You're you know, doing that onsocial media, and B, you're then
creating meanings that are notserving you.
And we've talked about thisbefore, you're giving your power
away.
That's a piece of that as well.
So you're dysregulatingeverything in your life.
SPEAKER_01 (13:54):
Yeah, I mean, and it's just whenever your nervous
system is dysregulated, you arein survival mode.
I mean, your your body is justmeant to protect you, yeah.
And um, yeah, like whetherthere's a threat, because what
is it?
What does it say?
Like, your body does not know ifthe situation you're
experiencing is real or thesituation is in your mind,
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right?
So, and I know you've mentionedsomething about people saying
something about the past or thefuture.
The past exists in your mind,truly, truly, truly, because
it's technically not there.
SPEAKER_00 (14:26):
But what so that was the the trigger for the person.
That was that's what I I made apost about.
Um, I said one of my spiritualmentors has always said the past
and the future do not exist,it's only the present.
And that was triggering for thisperson, and that again triggers
our lessons.
That's an opportunity for us tolook into hmm, why does this
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bother me?
Am I holding on to old storiesor beliefs that maybe don't
serve me?
What do I need to dig into?
But yeah, that was supertriggering for this person.
It's like, of course, the past.
I have all these great memories.
I'm not saying you don't havegreat memories, but why are we
focusing on the past and on thefuture?
Usually it's negative, right?
There is nothing wrong, and thisis what I said there is nothing
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wrong with thinking back tothose wonderful memories.
We all do that by all means.
I think about stuff, but mostpeople aren't sitting in those
emotions.
They're thinking about, oh, Icould have done this different
in the past, and this could havebeen better, and oh, this thing
happened to me.
Or they're living in the futureof oh my gosh, what's gonna
happen five, ten years from now?
What's the world gonna looklike?
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Finances, oh my gosh, what'shappening versus I will be happy
when I will peace, I'll bepeaceful when.
Versus now.
Now is what exists.
SPEAKER_01 (15:38):
We we can't change any of these.
And then I mean, let's notforget that you and I probably
used to get triggered, and notprobably used to, you know,
about you, used to get triggeredby these.
Um, because I remember when Iread The Power of Now, that's
before I even met you by EckhartTolet, because I started to get
into the the journey like in2018, 2017.
I really didn't understand thatbook.
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I was like, You're crazy.
What do you mean, illusion?
What do you mean this?
What do you mean it doesn'texist?
Like, I was just like, eventhough I mean I read it, don't
get me wrong, but I did not makeany sense of it until you know I
started the work and all ofthat.
And this is when when I readthis the other book, or uh
practicing the power of now, Iwas like, Oh my goodness, it
makes sense, but also because Iwas open as well.
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You know, if you keep closingyourself off for all of these
misinterpretations or all ofthese experiences, you're not
gonna learn something new, andand you do learn the best from
your triggers.
You can listen, I mean, you canlisten to us, you can whatever,
but seriously, and you can go tothe people and and find the
healing sessions and everything,but at the end of the day, it is
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the triggers that are teachingyou.
So learn from those, and they'refree.
SPEAKER_00 (16:50):
They're coming to you all the time, right?
Actually, I'm gonna use that asan example.
I know we're not talking abouttriggers, but this it's it all
ties together, right?
But this might be a real worldexample of if you had told me
that five years ago, I wouldhave been like, What the hell
are you talking about?
My triggers are my lessons.
So, giving you this example, hadI made this same post five years
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ago and someone had come backand said, like, what do you
mean?
That exists, you're completelywrong, you're out of your mind,
and messaged me and said, Idon't agree with this, yada,
yada, yada, I would have beenhurt.
I would have been like, Oh mygosh, I can't post anything
controversial, it would haveshut me down.
Now it doesn't.
And why is that?
I've learned because when Iwould get triggered from someone
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responding that way to me,right?
Someone else's trigger thenbecame my trigger.
What did I make that mean?
I have to please others, I'm notgood enough.
I have to be, I must not know mystuff.
I've got to learn more.
Like there were so many stories.
I must be perfect.
SPEAKER_01 (17:48):
Yes, like it has to be so perfect, I have to check
it 500 times.
SPEAKER_00 (17:52):
Yes.
Or a typo.
You know what I mean?
Now, and you used to say that tome, like it doesn't need to be
perfect.
And now the funny thing is, isit's like the you know, you get
tested still.
I'll get people that message meand say, Hey, there's a typo in
your post.
And in the past, I would havebeen like, Oh my gosh, let me go
change it.
I'm like, Great, shows I'mhuman, shows it wasn't AI
written.
Like exactly, you know, so soit's there's it's it's all
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written, right?
It's all interpretation, butwhat can you do?
Like it goes back to thetriggers too.
I know it seems like we're goingoff topic, but we're not.
I mean, we can talk abouttriggers because we've talked
about them before.
We have, but it ties in withthat.
SPEAKER_01 (18:29):
But I think I feel like sometimes just like all of
our topics tie in together andthey're all reminders because we
forget.
We forget.
You listen to the pet that thisepisode, and then you go about
your day and you forget, andthen sometimes you listen to us
again.
You're like, Oh, I know I heardyou before, but now it's making
more sense.
It's kind of like the book thatyou read a few times, and then
you miss a whole lot of things,you know, that you're like, wait
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a minute, was that the samebook?
Was that the same movie?
Yeah, so it's just you're justnot ready.
You're not ready.
Yeah, what is it?
What did they say?
When the dance ready is ready,the teacher appears.
Yeah, so same thing with you andme, you know what I mean?
Whatever we were ready for in2018 appeared, 19, 20, 21, and
now you know, we're even takingit more and more and more, and
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it's never ending, it is neverending, it's never ending, but
truly, truly, truly, I mean,from experience, because I used
to wish, I used to wish to likeexperience all these things and
the synchronicities and meobserving the triggers and not
fall into them.
I used to like wish, and nowit's happening.
Does it happen all the time?
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No, we're human, we're human,but it is really, really awesome
when you turn that volume up onyour awareness.
It is beautiful, it isbeautiful.
You see, like I had a situationhappen with me last night, and I
whoa, like I just saw it fromthe outside as I'm watching a
movie.
I'm like, but that used to be mylife, yeah, for years.
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And I didn't see it while I wasin there, but then when I was
here and still was doing thework, and nothing happens
without doing the work, nothinghappens without the pain and
without the pain that you feel.
And I'm not saying like youbeing on the floor and like oh,
you know, because I used to readthese books, like the awakening
happened when I was on thefloor, drunk or whatever, and
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you know, whatever this, and Iwas like, it doesn't happen to
me, but it happened in adifferent pain, right?
So your pain also don't don'tyou know it's your pain is
different, but it's just it'sall of those lessons, and
they're free and they keepcoming, and you keep repeating
them if you're not gonna learn.
And I have to say something,sorry, I know I talk too much,
but I have you know it's helpingme a lot, and I don't know where
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I heard it, either Kathy orDavid, I really don't remember,
or someone else.
No, I think someone else onInstagram, but it's a
spirituality, and it says, allof these people are your soul
disguised differently.
So that's what helps mesometimes thinking about it.
I'm like, hmm, you're part of mysoul, because remember, we're
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one, and I never understood whatthat one means.
Yeah, and and then when thatperson explained it, they're all
you, but different experiences,different bodies, different
avatars.
And I was like, huh, you're mysoul, but disguised differently,
so I can learn.
So now instead of getting upsetat that person, I'm like, okay,
what do you have to teach me?
SPEAKER_00 (21:21):
Yeah, I love that because it's so true.
We can keep getting re-triggeredby the same people or same
experiences.
It's like, okay, well, what areyou gonna do with that then?
You you are supposed to belearning from it so that it
doesn't continue to happen.
Yeah.
And one thing I want to sayabout the interpretations too is
some might say, because when Ifirst heard it, I was like, so
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you want me to lie to myself?
You want me to tell myself thatthey didn't say it that way or
whatever.
I get it now, and yes, to someextent, there's nothing wrong
with that.
I want to live a life that ispeaceful, happy, I feel in flow.
Love, right?
Loving other people.
So this is not about saying, I'mjust here to make myself happy,
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screw everybody else on theplanet.
That's not it at all.
In fact, the more I go on thishealing journey, the more loving
of a person I become.
SPEAKER_01 (22:12):
Maybe my husband will disagree, but um, you know,
I'm gonna see him on the fourth,we'll see about that.
SPEAKER_00 (22:19):
Yeah, right.
But I just it it changes you,but the happiness piece, right?
If we look around and see howmany people are truly unhappy,
okay, if you would start tochange your interpretations, it
can make you so much happier.
Because again, you can be goingthrough something, someone says
something to you, you um againin traffic, somebody spills your
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coffee, like it doesn't matter,you get cut off in traffic, you
can get super annoyed, pissedoff, whatever, or you can say,
you know what, I'm gonna choosea different interpretation.
Because here's the thing it'sall interpretation, anyhow.
You don't know for a hundredpercent how someone was feeling
in that moment.
Exactly.
Maybe they're rushing to go tothe hospital, or that's the
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doctor, or that's what I wassaying.
SPEAKER_01 (23:07):
This helped me a lot.
I saw I saw it on Instagram.
He's like, he's like, just thinkthey have to go poo-poo so bad.
SPEAKER_00 (23:12):
Well, and see that that was gonna that was not my
example, but similar of likesomebody cuts you off in
traffic, right?
Your knee-jerk reaction is whatan asshole.
Or, you know, they're late towork, that's your fault for not
getting up early.
Okay, keep going with yourinterpretations until it's
something that serves you.
Like, what if his wife is inlabor?
What if she's at the hospitaland he wants to get there,
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right?
Like, who cares?
What if he has to go get his uhhis child of special needs from
school?
Like, you know what I mean?
Yeah, who cares?
That is going to serve youbetter because you're gonna go,
oh gosh, okay, that's rough, andyou're gonna move on versus what
an ass, and then you're gettingmad at the next person, and then
you're yelling at your kid.
Well, because then you're doingthis ripple effect, exactly,
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exactly.
So I'm saying choose theinterpretation that works for
you because it's allinterpretation, regardless.
SPEAKER_01 (24:04):
That works for you and for the emotions that you
want to feel, because it's basedon that, right?
So if you want to, if you wantto live in a negative and uh
negative life and you want to beunhappy, and the emotions that
you want to feel are you knowdespair, depression, all that
stuff, by all means andinterpret that.
But if you want to be happy,joyful, peaceful, etc., then you
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gotta start choosing differentinterpretations because your
emotions matter, right?
So, for example, my main thingis to feel freedom and peace and
and happiness, right?
So, whenever I get a textmessage from somebody, you know,
I can choose to let that disruptmy emotions or be like, you know
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what, my priority is peace, etc.
etc.
I know where I stand, I say whatI say, you can interpret it
however you want to, whoever itis, right?
So I think the listeners knowwho I'm talking about, but you
know.
Um, but anyway, so it's it'sbecause you know, like it's
always, oh, I'll be because youtouch base on so many people
that are unhappy, absolutely,because look at how many
prescribed um antidepressants wehave in this country, yeah, or
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in this in the world, or howmany, maybe I don't know how
many medications we have about alot.
SPEAKER_00 (25:17):
Well, I think the average American's on like three
or five or something crazy.
SPEAKER_01 (25:20):
There we go, right?
Why?
Because we are choosing we'rechoosing not to live with in the
emotions of peace, and I'm notsaying, oh, we're gonna be in la
la land, we're gonna be joyfulall the time.
No, you can be in pain, you canbe because my situation is not
easy.
I'm in in pain, but I'm choosingpeace, I'm choosing happiness,
I'm choosing, I'm not choosingdenial, I'm choosing to let all
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the stupid shit go because mypeace matters, right?
So, um, so you create thoseemotions now instead of saying,
Well, I'll be happy when I losethe weight, I'll be uh free when
I have the money, or I'll bewhatever when I have this
career, create those emotionsnow by choosing the
interpretations that you want tochoose that align those emotions
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that you want to feel now, andthen everything else will have
the ripple effect.
But, and that's again another gogoes back to the choice.
SPEAKER_00 (26:13):
It is, and that's the thing, there is no wrong
interpretation.
So, even the situation we talkedabout with me on social media, I
was like, Yeah, she'smisinterpreting me, but in
reality, that's her her herinterpretation.
There's no right or wrong,you're choosing to view it that
way, I'm choosing to say it thisway, and if we're seeing
different, that's fine, but I'malways gonna choose the
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interpretation that works forme.
SPEAKER_01 (26:36):
Yes, yes, that works for me, yeah, and my priorities.
SPEAKER_00 (26:41):
Yeah, so be thinking about that as you go throughout
your day of everything, right?
Again, you are a meaning-makingmachine.
So look around.
What meanings are you making?
What interpretations are youmaking?
Are they serving you or are theynot?
And can you change thatinterpretation to something
else?
SPEAKER_01 (26:58):
Yeah, and sit down with yourself and or maybe not,
or walk with yourself andevaluate what emotions, what
feelings you want to have, whatare you know what I mean?
And those will definitely helpguide your interpretations
because if you have an anger, ifyou have a guide, it will help
you better because you can be inthe tough situations where you
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can start yelling at the person,cussing them, what you know,
doing traffic, let's say, orsomeone cuts you off.
But what when you remember, waita minute, wait a minute, I want
to be more peaceful, then youcan shift that, right?
And that is where the growthhappens.
So I would definitely say eithersit with yourself, journal, or
start walking and talking, andyou know, anchor the at least
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three, four emotions that youwant to live by, you want to
attract more of whatever theyare joy, happiness, excitement,
love of life, freedom, peace,whatever they are, and you know,
keep them, whether write them orput them on your notes, or and
then remind yourself everysingle time I want to be
peaceful.
Is this situation helping me,helping me with my cause?
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No, it's not.
So let me interpret itdifferently, right?
And that's I think that's athat's an action step that you
can do um to bring more uh ofthe the feelings that you want,
because I can't tell you whatemotions you want, right?
I know what I want and and youyou want what you want, and
they're not just gonna happenlike that, right?
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Being happy truly, truly, truly,and being peaceful and free and
all that is this does not happenby coincidence, it happens when
you put in the work and when youare intentional with your life,
because remember, you areco-creator with God, not just
you know, uh walkingunconsciously blind.
So work with him.
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I tell my daughter all the timebecause she's like, Well, I'm
praying this, this, and this.
I'm like, Well, you gotta alsoput in, you gotta uh you gotta
meet meet God halfway, okay.
Meet the divine halfway, notjust be like, I'm a couch
potato, I'm a couch potato, buthelp me lose weight.
Um yeah, I'm eating chips andbonbons all day, help me lose
weight.
SPEAKER_00 (29:10):
Yeah, yeah.
I also just want to say as areminder, you're not gonna nail
this every time.
Okay, so we are human.
I don't care how far you get onyour healing journey.
Maybe the Dalai Lama and someothers, you know, some monks and
stuff are good, but like we I'msure they still experience that,
and maybe they do, and that's mypoint is like give yourself
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grace, you're gonna explode,you're gonna make
interpretations that don't serveyou.
It's okay.
Like we always say, it is apractice.
This is a practice absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (29:41):
All right, we gave you action steps, we gave you a
lot to think about and ponder,and then hopefully you're
listening on this on a walk, soit's kind of helps.
Tonisa's like, go take a walk.
Take a walk.
I love walking, I do too.
Um, and we're just gonna end,like usual, with a few breaths
and a mantra.
So we're gonna take.
In four, hold four, and thenrelease for six.
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I'll guide you through throughthat if you are, if you can, of
course, close your eyes if youcan't just breathe without
closing your eyes.
Okay, let's let's go.
We're gonna breathe in for four,hold for four, and then exhale
for six.
I guide you through one more,and then while we're saying,
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meaning is what I make it, and Ichoose peace.
We're inhaling for four, two,three, four, holding, two,
three, four, exhaling, two,three, four, five, six.
Meaning is what I make it, and Ichoose peace.
SPEAKER_00 (30:48):
Amen to that.
All right, guys.
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Hey everyone, welcome back toanother episode of Heal Yourself
Podcast.
Today you got Denise and I, andwe're talking about one of my
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favorite topics,interpretations.
SPEAKER_01 (01:03):
I always have to do that.
SPEAKER_00 (01:07):
But I mean, we we make interpretations about
everything.
Like listening right now, you'remaking an interpretation.
Looking at my cup of coffee overhere, I'm making an
interpretation.
Like everything in your life isan interpretation.
And I think that's important toknow, especially on your healing
journey, and and just living inthis world, right?
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You're having conversations withother people.
I think it's important torecognize that you're making
interpretations about them, theway you're perceiving what
they're saying, how they'resaying it to you, and they're
also making interpretations.
So yeah, I see you shaking.
SPEAKER_01 (01:48):
Yeah.
I'm agreeing with you becauseyou told me yesterday about the
topic, and I was like, Yeah,let's roll with it.
So, what do you have for us?
I mean, yeah, we always rollwith it.
We always do this.
We don't prep, we literally justtalk about it.
We're like, oh, I mean, becausealso we we also take examples
from our lives and then from thepeople around us.
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I think something happened lastweek in the situation with you,
and um, and then I kind of seeit.
We're not gonna name names andwe're not gonna also really be
specific about the topic, butyou sent me something that you
had posted or someone sent you amessage, and and when you told
me the background, and you'relike, you kind of was like,
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Well, this person is seeking isinterpreting negativity, and
then which is which is very wasvery obvious to me, it's like
there are so many ways that shecould have gone, or he, I'm
gonna throw for a loop.
And then that person choseconsistently to choose that to
interpret the negative side ofthings instead of the positive
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side of things, and some of thethings were said were like it
doesn't even make sense whereyou're headed with this, so it's
absolutely what you said.
It is, it's truly what weinterpret.
Like, you know, you and I canlook at we can walk into a room,
you and I can walk into a room,and depends on our experiences
and what we're telling ourselvesand our thoughts.
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We can interpret that aseverybody's horrible, I hate
them.
It's like a negative situation,or you can go in, oh my
goodness, it's so awesome! Like,I'm loving, I love meeting new
people, they're amazing.
You know, we all have ourdifferent colors with different
diversities and whatever.
So it yeah, it's just little,and it also depends on our
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experiences, I feel as well.
SPEAKER_00 (03:35):
I a hundred percent think that because if you go
into a situation, but you've hadall of these experiences in your
life, whether childhood, in your20s, whatever, that's going to
shape how you're interpretingthings, right?
Like we always hear um, youknow, do you see the glass is
half empty or half full?
Well, that's still making aninterpretation, and it's based
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on your upbringing.
How did you grow up?
How did all of these years shapeyour life?
And then now, based on thosethings, how are you
interpreting?
Because you're right, I made apost on social media and I was
not triggered.
Uh, like I didn't care, but I'mlike, gosh, I feel like I'm
being misinterpreted because Idon't mean it this way.
And this is what can be soimportant, like I said, not just
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on the healing journey, buthaving conversations and having
relationships with other peopleof recognizing, hmm, I don't
think that they're understandingthings the way that I mean it.
Many people then it leads toarguments, right?
And it's not healthy.
But you could say, like, hey, Ireally think you're
misinterpreting it.
How are you perceiving this?
What meaning are you making?
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Because we're meaning-makingmachines, and then that can lead
to another conversation, right?
SPEAKER_01 (04:47):
Exactly.
And um, I I got something in myhead, and it just like went away
right away when you weretalking.
Oh my goodness.
But um yes, it's it's um, Idon't know, it's just gone.
It will come back, but it'sgone.
Yes, and it's just and it I haveto go back to what are you
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telling yourself that day,right?
And um, and again, you know, oh,oh, oh, people are gonna
misinterpret you ormisunderstand you no matter what
you do.
So always say your your what youwant to say, right?
Because and then again, whatthey interpret or what they
misunderstand is not yourbecause I feel sometimes that
yeah, I think what when you weretalking kind of like triggered
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with me, not triggered, said tome something because I used to
be misunderstood a lot in myrelationship and very
misinterpreted, and then I feltlike I had the need to explain
and explain and explain, and youfall into the over-explaining,
which is drama response, and nowI noticed myself
over-explaining.
So now I try to like no keep itto the minimum, even if it's
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just like a with with a friend,instead of like, okay, I can't
go to the whatever to the dinnerinstead of saying, Well, I have
this, this, and this.
So I started practicing withthat, but it's also really,
really, really important that toknow to say what you want to
say, to say your truth to towhatever, no matter how people
are gonna perceive you orinterpret, because you're not
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their experiences, you're nottheir thoughts.
You don't know what they'rewalking around all day long
telling.
They may be walking into thesituation, already making up
their mind, they're gonna arguewith you.
So no matter what you say andwhat you do, there's nothing,
nothing can change that.
No power can change that otherthan letting it go.
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And again, in another thing, youwalking into a situation or an
art or or in a conversation orwhatever, walking in um with an
open mind.
I'm gonna go to what we tell mystudents is flexible brain,
right?
It just keeps you open toeverything versus like, oh no,
no, I'm this, I'm this.
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This can be applied to politics,like you know, when people are
like, Oh, I'm only that, I'm notgonna see the other side.
Well, wait a minute, I do seeboth sides.
You know, a friend of minecalled me last week and she told
me about a situation, and I waslike literally like laughing
because I was like, I told her,I because I know the two people,
I was like, I literally see bothsides, I can see how you took it
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this way, how you know thatperson took it that way, and
then they ended up, of course,texting, and it was just total
misunderstanding, right?
So, um, it it does matter to umexpress yourself all the time,
your truth, and don'tover-explain.
SPEAKER_00 (07:33):
Well, and I also think, yes, I mean I agree with
you, but I think like this is ahealing podcast, and someone
might be like, Well, how doesthis like how does this roll
into healing?
And honestly, think about it.
If you're always misinterpretingthings, if you're going into
something making meaning beforethe situation has happened, if
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you're going in with negative,um, you know, like a negative
background before you get to it,think about what that's doing to
your physical body, think aboutwhat it's doing to your nervous
system.
If you're always doing that,that's that's not healthy for
your mind, your body, any of it,right?
SPEAKER_01 (08:13):
Yeah, and if your nervous system is dysregulated,
guess what?
Your whole health is going downthe drain, no matter how much
smoothies and how much kaleyou're eating, buddy.
Yeah, you know what I mean, orgirl.
Or what pills you're taking, howmany supplement pills you're
taking, because when yournervous system is dysregulated,
it is no bueno, no bueno.
Like you need to really, I youknow, sometimes I know that we
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don't talk about likesupplements and health and like
body and organs and systems, butwe're talking about the really,
I think the most importantthing, which is truly healing
the your inside, the thoughts,the trauma, the experiences, the
the interpretations, becausethose are all making you sick
because it's driving yournerves, your nervous system
haywire.
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And when your nervous system isnot happy, you're not safe.
And when you're not safe, guesswhat?
There's no digestion happening,there's no explosion happening.
SPEAKER_00 (09:02):
All of it, and that's the thing.
Think about how many times, likeyou guys listening right now,
how many times have youmisinterpreted?
And if you're like, oh no, I Iyou know, I don't look around.
When I said we're meaning makingmachines, we are everything in
your life is neutral, and thatmight be triggering to hear, but
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every situation that happens isneutral.
There's no positive, there's nonegative.
You create that positive ornegative.
And so if you're always going inwith oh, this thing happened, or
this conversation, whatever itmight be, if you're making the
meaning mean something negative,that's dysregulating your
nervous system.
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You're not gonna feel good aboutit.
Why not say, hmm, I want tobetter understand this
situation, this person,whatever, create a better
meaning.
And there are so many exampleswe could look at, like look
around.
We could be in the exact samesituation where Denise and I are
stuck in traffic and you'recursing up a storm because you
want to get somewhere, and yourinterpretation is that people
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are idiots or whatever, youknow.
And I'm looking around and I'mlike, oh my gosh, that's such a
cool car right there.
And oh, I haven't seen the skythis blue in a long time.
So even little things like that,you're making meaning.
SPEAKER_01 (10:19):
So I get to listen to my audible book for longer
right now.
SPEAKER_00 (10:23):
Exactly.
And and that's the thing, youget to choose because the
situations are always neutral.
So, what are you gonna do withthat?
How are you gonna interpret it?
Interpretate.
I just made up a word,interpreted.
SPEAKER_01 (10:35):
I totally made up a word, interpreted, and this is
an English teacher, right there,people.
Okay, seeing of perfection.
Walking in yesterday, I wasstarting, I started listening to
one of Kathy's podcasts, and shewas talking about like, you
know, just really like the shewalks in in any situation, um,
and per like knowing that it'sokay not to be perfect, right?
So it doesn't um uh freeze heror do whatever she needs to do,
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whatever.
But anyway, I'm gonna give anexample about health, to be
honest with you, with myself.
Because remember, for thelongest time, I I've been trying
to gain weight for the longesttime, and I keep losing, losing,
losing, even though I'm eating.
It's not like I'm not eating,because I would tell myself,
like, I know you're eating,Denise, but what's going on?
It's because my nervous systemwas dysregulated being in you
know in the relationship.
But when I left the relationshipand when I left the environment,
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I'm gaining weight.
I'm gaining weight.
And I am eating maybe the sameor a little bit more.
I'm not gonna deny it, but alsowhy am I eating a little bit
more?
Because my nervous system issafe, my nervous system is
regulated.
Sorry, my nervous system isregulated.
There's safety, there is theneed to eat, there's the need to
feel the hunger.
Whereas before, even when I feltthe hunger, my nervous system
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was like, Nope, you're not safe,you're in survival mode.
I need to save you becauseremember, we are wired to be um
for survival, right?
And so that's you know, I havebeen gaining weight and I feel
much better.
I do, and the thing is, anotherthing is just whenever I want to
nap, I nap.
And I've been napping, you know,to kind of also help my nervous
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system more.
So it does, whatever we'retalking about, really, really,
really does help with yourhealth.
So evaluate where whatever inyour health journey you are and
see, like what am I interpretingor what am I seeing, or and I
love what you said, you know,walking in everything is neutral
with every situation is neutral,is what what the spices that we
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put on it, and you decide whatkind of seasoning and what kind
of spices you want your lifebecause it does come back to a
choice, and I know we're brokenrecord, but it does come back to
a choice, no matter what.
Like it could like the trafficsituation.
I could you could look at itlike, yay, I can listen to the
podcast, it's an hour.
Thank God I get to finish it,and I'll be like, What the heck?
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I'm late now.
Everything's gonna get ruined,and guess what?
Everything will get ruined.
SPEAKER_00 (12:52):
Yeah, because you're the one assigning the meaning to
it, and meaning is aninterpretation.
And I just I want to touch onwhat you said because I love
that you brought up the nervoussystem, that's like my love
language.
But if we think about it, ournervous system stores every
single meaning that we make,right?
And I don't think a lot ofpeople really think about that.
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They think about, oh, okay, Iread that, you know, uh the body
stores emotions, but it's thesame thing.
When you're creating meaning oran interpretation, there are
emotions behind that.
If you're constantly, like I'llI'll use my social media um as
an example.
If you're constantly someonethat wants to argue, not on my
page, because I don't care, butlike going to other people's and
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being like, I don't agree, Idon't agree, I don't agree.
This is wrong.
A, why do you care?
You're you know, doing that onsocial media, and B, you're then
creating meanings that are notserving you.
And we've talked about thisbefore, you're giving your power
away.
That's a piece of that as well.
So you're dysregulatingeverything in your life.
SPEAKER_01 (13:54):
Yeah, I mean, and it's just whenever your nervous
system is dysregulated, you arein survival mode.
I mean, your your body is justmeant to protect you, yeah.
And um, yeah, like whetherthere's a threat, because what
is it?
What does it say?
Like, your body does not know ifthe situation you're
experiencing is real or thesituation is in your mind,
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right?
So, and I know you've mentionedsomething about people saying
something about the past or thefuture.
The past exists in your mind,truly, truly, truly, because
it's technically not there.
SPEAKER_00 (14:26):
But what so that was the the trigger for the person.
That was that's what I I made apost about.
Um, I said one of my spiritualmentors has always said the past
and the future do not exist,it's only the present.
And that was triggering for thisperson, and that again triggers
our lessons.
That's an opportunity for us tolook into hmm, why does this
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bother me?
Am I holding on to old storiesor beliefs that maybe don't
serve me?
What do I need to dig into?
But yeah, that was supertriggering for this person.
It's like, of course, the past.
I have all these great memories.
I'm not saying you don't havegreat memories, but why are we
focusing on the past and on thefuture?
Usually it's negative, right?
There is nothing wrong, and thisis what I said there is nothing
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wrong with thinking back tothose wonderful memories.
We all do that by all means.
I think about stuff, but mostpeople aren't sitting in those
emotions.
They're thinking about, oh, Icould have done this different
in the past, and this could havebeen better, and oh, this thing
happened to me.
Or they're living in the futureof oh my gosh, what's gonna
happen five, ten years from now?
What's the world gonna looklike?
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Finances, oh my gosh, what'shappening versus I will be happy
when I will peace, I'll bepeaceful when.
Versus now.
Now is what exists.
SPEAKER_01 (15:38):
We we can't change any of these.
And then I mean, let's notforget that you and I probably
used to get triggered, and notprobably used to, you know,
about you, used to get triggeredby these.
Um, because I remember when Iread The Power of Now, that's
before I even met you by EckhartTolet, because I started to get
into the the journey like in2018, 2017.
I really didn't understand thatbook.
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I was like, You're crazy.
What do you mean, illusion?
What do you mean this?
What do you mean it doesn'texist?
Like, I was just like, eventhough I mean I read it, don't
get me wrong, but I did not makeany sense of it until you know I
started the work and all ofthat.
And this is when when I readthis the other book, or uh
practicing the power of now, Iwas like, Oh my goodness, it
makes sense, but also because Iwas open as well.
(16:24):
You know, if you keep closingyourself off for all of these
misinterpretations or all ofthese experiences, you're not
gonna learn something new, andand you do learn the best from
your triggers.
You can listen, I mean, you canlisten to us, you can whatever,
but seriously, and you can go tothe people and and find the
healing sessions and everything,but at the end of the day, it is
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the triggers that are teachingyou.
So learn from those, and they'refree.
SPEAKER_00 (16:50):
They're coming to you all the time, right?
Actually, I'm gonna use that asan example.
I know we're not talking abouttriggers, but this it's it all
ties together, right?
But this might be a real worldexample of if you had told me
that five years ago, I wouldhave been like, What the hell
are you talking about?
My triggers are my lessons.
So, giving you this example, hadI made this same post five years
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ago and someone had come backand said, like, what do you
mean?
That exists, you're completelywrong, you're out of your mind,
and messaged me and said, Idon't agree with this, yada,
yada, yada, I would have beenhurt.
I would have been like, Oh mygosh, I can't post anything
controversial, it would haveshut me down.
Now it doesn't.
And why is that?
I've learned because when Iwould get triggered from someone
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responding that way to me,right?
Someone else's trigger thenbecame my trigger.
What did I make that mean?
I have to please others, I'm notgood enough.
I have to be, I must not know mystuff.
I've got to learn more.
Like there were so many stories.
I must be perfect.
SPEAKER_01 (17:48):
Yes, like it has to be so perfect, I have to check
it 500 times.
SPEAKER_00 (17:52):
Yes.
Or a typo.
You know what I mean?
Now, and you used to say that tome, like it doesn't need to be
perfect.
And now the funny thing is, isit's like the you know, you get
tested still.
I'll get people that message meand say, Hey, there's a typo in
your post.
And in the past, I would havebeen like, Oh my gosh, let me go
change it.
I'm like, Great, shows I'mhuman, shows it wasn't AI
written.
Like exactly, you know, so soit's there's it's it's all
(18:17):
written, right?
It's all interpretation, butwhat can you do?
Like it goes back to thetriggers too.
I know it seems like we're goingoff topic, but we're not.
I mean, we can talk abouttriggers because we've talked
about them before.
We have, but it ties in withthat.
SPEAKER_01 (18:29):
But I think I feel like sometimes just like all of
our topics tie in together andthey're all reminders because we
forget.
We forget.
You listen to the pet that thisepisode, and then you go about
your day and you forget, andthen sometimes you listen to us
again.
You're like, Oh, I know I heardyou before, but now it's making
more sense.
It's kind of like the book thatyou read a few times, and then
you miss a whole lot of things,you know, that you're like, wait
(18:52):
a minute, was that the samebook?
Was that the same movie?
Yeah, so it's just you're justnot ready.
You're not ready.
Yeah, what is it?
What did they say?
When the dance ready is ready,the teacher appears.
Yeah, so same thing with you andme, you know what I mean?
Whatever we were ready for in2018 appeared, 19, 20, 21, and
now you know, we're even takingit more and more and more, and
(19:13):
it's never ending, it is neverending, it's never ending, but
truly, truly, truly, I mean,from experience, because I used
to wish, I used to wish to likeexperience all these things and
the synchronicities and meobserving the triggers and not
fall into them.
I used to like wish, and nowit's happening.
Does it happen all the time?
(19:34):
No, we're human, we're human,but it is really, really awesome
when you turn that volume up onyour awareness.
It is beautiful, it isbeautiful.
You see, like I had a situationhappen with me last night, and I
whoa, like I just saw it fromthe outside as I'm watching a
movie.
I'm like, but that used to be mylife, yeah, for years.
(19:57):
And I didn't see it while I wasin there, but then when I was
here and still was doing thework, and nothing happens
without doing the work, nothinghappens without the pain and
without the pain that you feel.
And I'm not saying like youbeing on the floor and like oh,
you know, because I used to readthese books, like the awakening
happened when I was on thefloor, drunk or whatever, and
(20:17):
you know, whatever this, and Iwas like, it doesn't happen to
me, but it happened in adifferent pain, right?
So your pain also don't don'tyou know it's your pain is
different, but it's just it'sall of those lessons, and
they're free and they keepcoming, and you keep repeating
them if you're not gonna learn.
And I have to say something,sorry, I know I talk too much,
but I have you know it's helpingme a lot, and I don't know where
(20:41):
I heard it, either Kathy orDavid, I really don't remember,
or someone else.
No, I think someone else onInstagram, but it's a
spirituality, and it says, allof these people are your soul
disguised differently.
So that's what helps mesometimes thinking about it.
I'm like, hmm, you're part of mysoul, because remember, we're
(21:01):
one, and I never understood whatthat one means.
Yeah, and and then when thatperson explained it, they're all
you, but different experiences,different bodies, different
avatars.
And I was like, huh, you're mysoul, but disguised differently,
so I can learn.
So now instead of getting upsetat that person, I'm like, okay,
what do you have to teach me?
SPEAKER_00 (21:21):
Yeah, I love that because it's so true.
We can keep getting re-triggeredby the same people or same
experiences.
It's like, okay, well, what areyou gonna do with that then?
You you are supposed to belearning from it so that it
doesn't continue to happen.
Yeah.
And one thing I want to sayabout the interpretations too is
some might say, because when Ifirst heard it, I was like, so
(21:43):
you want me to lie to myself?
You want me to tell myself thatthey didn't say it that way or
whatever.
I get it now, and yes, to someextent, there's nothing wrong
with that.
I want to live a life that ispeaceful, happy, I feel in flow.
Love, right?
Loving other people.
So this is not about saying, I'mjust here to make myself happy,
(22:05):
screw everybody else on theplanet.
That's not it at all.
In fact, the more I go on thishealing journey, the more loving
of a person I become.
SPEAKER_01 (22:12):
Maybe my husband will disagree, but um, you know,
I'm gonna see him on the fourth,we'll see about that.
SPEAKER_00 (22:19):
Yeah, right.
But I just it it changes you,but the happiness piece, right?
If we look around and see howmany people are truly unhappy,
okay, if you would start tochange your interpretations, it
can make you so much happier.
Because again, you can be goingthrough something, someone says
something to you, you um againin traffic, somebody spills your
(22:43):
coffee, like it doesn't matter,you get cut off in traffic, you
can get super annoyed, pissedoff, whatever, or you can say,
you know what, I'm gonna choosea different interpretation.
Because here's the thing it'sall interpretation, anyhow.
You don't know for a hundredpercent how someone was feeling
in that moment.
Exactly.
Maybe they're rushing to go tothe hospital, or that's the
(23:05):
doctor, or that's what I wassaying.
SPEAKER_01 (23:07):
This helped me a lot.
I saw I saw it on Instagram.
He's like, he's like, just thinkthey have to go poo-poo so bad.
SPEAKER_00 (23:12):
Well, and see that that was gonna that was not my
example, but similar of likesomebody cuts you off in
traffic, right?
Your knee-jerk reaction is whatan asshole.
Or, you know, they're late towork, that's your fault for not
getting up early.
Okay, keep going with yourinterpretations until it's
something that serves you.
Like, what if his wife is inlabor?
What if she's at the hospitaland he wants to get there,
(23:34):
right?
Like, who cares?
What if he has to go get his uhhis child of special needs from
school?
Like, you know what I mean?
Yeah, who cares?
That is going to serve youbetter because you're gonna go,
oh gosh, okay, that's rough, andyou're gonna move on versus what
an ass, and then you're gettingmad at the next person, and then
you're yelling at your kid.
Well, because then you're doingthis ripple effect, exactly,
(23:56):
exactly.
So I'm saying choose theinterpretation that works for
you because it's allinterpretation, regardless.
SPEAKER_01 (24:04):
That works for you and for the emotions that you
want to feel, because it's basedon that, right?
So if you want to, if you wantto live in a negative and uh
negative life and you want to beunhappy, and the emotions that
you want to feel are you knowdespair, depression, all that
stuff, by all means andinterpret that.
But if you want to be happy,joyful, peaceful, etc., then you
(24:27):
gotta start choosing differentinterpretations because your
emotions matter, right?
So, for example, my main thingis to feel freedom and peace and
and happiness, right?
So, whenever I get a textmessage from somebody, you know,
I can choose to let that disruptmy emotions or be like, you know
(24:48):
what, my priority is peace, etc.
etc.
I know where I stand, I say whatI say, you can interpret it
however you want to, whoever itis, right?
So I think the listeners knowwho I'm talking about, but you
know.
Um, but anyway, so it's it'sbecause you know, like it's
always, oh, I'll be because youtouch base on so many people
that are unhappy, absolutely,because look at how many
prescribed um antidepressants wehave in this country, yeah, or
(25:11):
in this in the world, or howmany, maybe I don't know how
many medications we have about alot.
SPEAKER_00 (25:17):
Well, I think the average American's on like three
or five or something crazy.
SPEAKER_01 (25:20):
There we go, right?
Why?
Because we are choosing we'rechoosing not to live with in the
emotions of peace, and I'm notsaying, oh, we're gonna be in la
la land, we're gonna be joyfulall the time.
No, you can be in pain, you canbe because my situation is not
easy.
I'm in in pain, but I'm choosingpeace, I'm choosing happiness,
I'm choosing, I'm not choosingdenial, I'm choosing to let all
(25:41):
the stupid shit go because mypeace matters, right?
So, um, so you create thoseemotions now instead of saying,
Well, I'll be happy when I losethe weight, I'll be uh free when
I have the money, or I'll bewhatever when I have this
career, create those emotionsnow by choosing the
interpretations that you want tochoose that align those emotions
(26:05):
that you want to feel now, andthen everything else will have
the ripple effect.
But, and that's again another gogoes back to the choice.
SPEAKER_00 (26:13):
It is, and that's the thing, there is no wrong
interpretation.
So, even the situation we talkedabout with me on social media, I
was like, Yeah, she'smisinterpreting me, but in
reality, that's her her herinterpretation.
There's no right or wrong,you're choosing to view it that
way, I'm choosing to say it thisway, and if we're seeing
different, that's fine, but I'malways gonna choose the
(26:33):
interpretation that works forme.
SPEAKER_01 (26:36):
Yes, yes, that works for me, yeah, and my priorities.
SPEAKER_00 (26:41):
Yeah, so be thinking about that as you go throughout
your day of everything, right?
Again, you are a meaning-makingmachine.
So look around.
What meanings are you making?
What interpretations are youmaking?
Are they serving you or are theynot?
And can you change thatinterpretation to something
else?
SPEAKER_01 (26:58):
Yeah, and sit down with yourself and or maybe not,
or walk with yourself andevaluate what emotions, what
feelings you want to have, whatare you know what I mean?
And those will definitely helpguide your interpretations
because if you have an anger, ifyou have a guide, it will help
you better because you can be inthe tough situations where you
(27:20):
can start yelling at the person,cussing them, what you know,
doing traffic, let's say, orsomeone cuts you off.
But what when you remember, waita minute, wait a minute, I want
to be more peaceful, then youcan shift that, right?
And that is where the growthhappens.
So I would definitely say eithersit with yourself, journal, or
start walking and talking, andyou know, anchor the at least
(27:46):
three, four emotions that youwant to live by, you want to
attract more of whatever theyare joy, happiness, excitement,
love of life, freedom, peace,whatever they are, and you know,
keep them, whether write them orput them on your notes, or and
then remind yourself everysingle time I want to be
peaceful.
Is this situation helping me,helping me with my cause?
(28:08):
No, it's not.
So let me interpret itdifferently, right?
And that's I think that's athat's an action step that you
can do um to bring more uh ofthe the feelings that you want,
because I can't tell you whatemotions you want, right?
I know what I want and and youyou want what you want, and
they're not just gonna happenlike that, right?
(28:29):
Being happy truly, truly, truly,and being peaceful and free and
all that is this does not happenby coincidence, it happens when
you put in the work and when youare intentional with your life,
because remember, you areco-creator with God, not just
you know, uh walkingunconsciously blind.
So work with him.
(28:50):
I tell my daughter all the timebecause she's like, Well, I'm
praying this, this, and this.
I'm like, Well, you gotta alsoput in, you gotta uh you gotta
meet meet God halfway, okay.
Meet the divine halfway, notjust be like, I'm a couch
potato, I'm a couch potato, buthelp me lose weight.
Um yeah, I'm eating chips andbonbons all day, help me lose
weight.
SPEAKER_00 (29:10):
Yeah, yeah.
I also just want to say as areminder, you're not gonna nail
this every time.
Okay, so we are human.
I don't care how far you get onyour healing journey.
Maybe the Dalai Lama and someothers, you know, some monks and
stuff are good, but like we I'msure they still experience that,
and maybe they do, and that's mypoint is like give yourself
(29:30):
grace, you're gonna explode,you're gonna make
interpretations that don't serveyou.
It's okay.
Like we always say, it is apractice.
This is a practice absolutely.
SPEAKER_01 (29:41):
All right, we gave you action steps, we gave you a
lot to think about and ponder,and then hopefully you're
listening on this on a walk, soit's kind of helps.
Tonisa's like, go take a walk.
Take a walk.
I love walking, I do too.
Um, and we're just gonna end,like usual, with a few breaths
and a mantra.
So we're gonna take.
In four, hold four, and thenrelease for six.
(30:03):
I'll guide you through throughthat if you are, if you can, of
course, close your eyes if youcan't just breathe without
closing your eyes.
Okay, let's let's go.
We're gonna breathe in for four,hold for four, and then exhale
for six.
I guide you through one more,and then while we're saying,
(30:26):
meaning is what I make it, and Ichoose peace.
We're inhaling for four, two,three, four, holding, two,
three, four, exhaling, two,three, four, five, six.
Meaning is what I make it, and Ichoose peace.
SPEAKER_00 (30:48):
Amen to that.
All right, guys.
Yep, you know the drill.
Leave us a review, share it witha friend.
We see it every week.
I'm like cheering, like, whoa,we're growing.
More people are listening toevery episode, which we love.
So help us serve others.
Share it with someone who needsto hear it.
Um, whatever you can.
Yeah, and share at least withsomeone who needs to hear that.
Yeah.
(31:09):
For sure.
Thanks, guys.
We'll see you on the nextepisode.
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