Beyond the Devil's Backbone: Finding Community on Eight Wheels

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:43):
Welcome to this week's episode of how Do you
Skate.
I'm your host, sean Egan, andmy co-host, not co-host.
My guest today is a fellow GenXer, rob Didemar.
And how are you doing today,sir?
I'm doing great.
How are you?
I'm doing good.
So start us at the beginning.
When did your skating journeystarted?
Because I know you havemultiple skate things.

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So what was the beginning foryou?

Speaker 3 (01:07):
I, I would say my.
The beginning of my skatingcareer is probably the same as
most every gen xer, and it beganon a pair of red, white and
blue ridells I went rollerbladeTRS lightnings.

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I got my first pair.
I got my first pair of rollerskates.
I must've been, I know.
I know I was in first grade,like because I went to.
I remember going to a skatingskating party in first grade
with the my red, white and blueRydell quad skates on my feet
and there was two pairs.
You either had white or threepairs white for girls, black for
whomever, and then you had thered, white and blue Rydell's.

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I think Nice, if I'mremembering correctly.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, so that's when it all started for you, then.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Yeah, I had my skates on all the time.
If I wasn't in my garage orgoing down my driveway, I was
over at my aunt and uncles intheir basement, because they had
a really smooth basementsurface and and skating parties
were the epitome of everything Ilooked forward to like in
elementary school and I stillremember, and it's true to this

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day the longest period of timeyou'll ever experience is how
long it takes you to lace upyour skates before you can get
out on the rink that is trueespecially with quads especially
with quads yep so

Speaker 2 (02:33):
laces now, because I've seen your tiktok but and
we've discussed a little bit,but you've done a little bit of
everything quad, inline andskateboarding.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
So yeah, I was gonna say skateboarding not so much
just when it was the fad, but Iroller skated up through
elementary school and I probablystopped once roller skating
parties weren't really a thinganymore.
And then in high school I had afriend who graduated the same
year as me.
He played hockey and so he hada pair of rollerblades with,
like the metal chassis thesewere like first gen rollerblades

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and he used those so that hecould practice during the off
season.
And right about then was whenall of the allblades you know
the TRS, lightnings, bauer wascoming out, so everybody was
starting to come on the scenewith rollerblades.
So a bunch of us gotrollerblades and we started

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playing street hockey behind ourhigh school.
And that's what we did allsenior year.
When the weather was nice, we'djust go out behind the high
school and play street hockey.
Even made it into the localpaper because we had a reporter
just happened by and see us outthere in the parking lot on our
rollerblades playing streethockey and that.
And honestly, like when I firststarted roller skating, I I
could cross over right, overleft, but I couldn't skate

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backwards, I couldn't skateopposite direction.
I was pretty much all aboutspeed.
It wasn't until I got on myinline skates that I really
started learning how to skatebackwards and crossing over
backwards and you know being farmore maneuverable on your
skates.
But that was because we wereplaying hockey, so you had to be
.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, hockey, you got to go forward, sideways,
backwards, all differentdirections, so I'm a little
familiar with that.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
So when having this, having the stick out front, I
think kind of helps a lot too.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, I would have to say so because now I'm thinking
about how I skated betterbackwards on quads than I did in
lines.
So I played a little rinkhockey recently.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
So now, when did you ever get into ramps and
freestyle skating at all?
Yeah, so that's sort of alittle bit further down the road
in my skate journey.
What happened was we, when we'dtake a break from playing skate
hockey, there there would justbe like little areas that we
could jump and there I thinkthere's some speed bumps that we
could hit just right, and wewere able to catch like a few

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feet of air over, just like adip or something.
So whenever we take a breakfrom playing street hockey, I'd
go like try to like hit somejumps and catch some air.
And then my freshman year incollege, I my my roommate and I
we just go out all over campus,and that's when people were
removing their middle two wheelsfor grinding.

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Everybody was making their owngrind plates out of plastic and
whatever they could find, and sowe'd just go out on campus and
just skate all over campus andtear it up.
But it was when my roommate andI decided and his name is Benny
Kelly, so he was in the movietoo, in Airborne it was that

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year in school when we decidedto go audition for the movie
Airborne and by then we wereboth pretty aggressive, like we
were hitting some big drops,catching some sick air, not
really grinding as much, but wewere 360ing over staircases.
I mean it was a lot of hardcorestreet skating is what we were

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into.
Then, when we both got thestunt double parts in the movie
Airborne, after we'd wrap on theset, we'd go back to where they
had everything stagedLongworth's Hall down in
Cincinnati, this big parking lotarea and Team Rollerblade was
on the set.
They built a Masonite 10 footvert ramp, like in that parking

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lot, just so that they hadsomething to do when they, when
we were wrapped for the day, andand I I can't remember his name
anymore but one of the TeamRollerblade guys said, hey, like
, let me show you how to drop inon a ramp.
And I was like what?
He's like, yeah, come on, it'sreal easy.
So he took me up to the top ofthis 10 foot ramp and he's like
oh, just just put the, put thecoping between you, know, your

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middle, two, two, middle, twowheels, bend your knees and just
lean in and drop straightforward down.
So I was, I, I mean I wasscared, of course, and but when
I did, like everybody and Ithink everybody does this on
their first drop in my skates,got out in front of me and came
out from underneath me.
So I was, you know, on my backand laying on my butt and he's
like, come on, come on, realquick, get up here again.

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Like just get up here and dropin again real fast.
And so I went back up, droppedin and rode it out the second
time fell in love with vert ramp.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Nice.
Now, did you have yourprotective gear on when you were
doing it?

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
That was a nice thing aboutbeing on the set, is they you
base?
That was one of the.
I don't think they werespecifically intending to pay
you with gear, but all the gearthat you used on the set you got
to keep.
So you know we had the big beefyknee pads.
You know helmets, wrist guards,you know freestyle elbow pads.
I mean we had the good gear.

(07:50):
Nice, now, down down inCincinnati there's a airport
called Lunkin airport and backin the nineties there was a
metal vert ramp and I think I'mpretty sure it was 10 foot, but
there was a metal vert ramp thateverybody would think I'm
pretty sure it was 10 foot.
Um, but there was a metal vertramp that everybody would go and
session at, and so after, afterwork I mean, so I'm in like

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early twenties every day afterwork I'd end up heading down to
Lunkin and you know everybodythat you skate with would be
down there just sessioning.
You know, on the on the, on this, on this metal metal ramp, that
in the summertime that thingwould cook you, like it would
cook you.
But you know we and that's I Ifelt I'd still to this day,

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would ride vert ramp if I could.
Um, and I'm actually I'mactually contemplating
transitioning over to rollerskating ramp skating as well.
I've been kind of, I've beenkind of I don't know if the
right word is being kind ofsnobby about it, but like I
haven't really been able tobreak away from using my inline

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skates on vert ramps and foraggressive skating.
I haven't really decided.
I want to make the transitionto doing that on quads, but I
spend so much time on quadsthese days it kind of makes
sense, so I might transitionagain to ramp skating on quads.
See how that goes.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
So now we discussed it before we started the episode
.
But who were you?
A stunt double for Seth Green,and how was that whole
experience working with him?

Speaker 3 (09:21):
It was one of the coolest experiences of my entire
life.
It was.
It was one of the coolestexperiences of my entire life.
Um, the, the way that I got thepart was because I was one of
the shortest skilled skatersthat was auditioning and the
joke.
I think.
Uh, I think this is the samejoke with any set of skills, but
it takes somebody who's good ata particular thing to look bad

(09:43):
at a particular thing.
Yeah, bad at a particular thingyeah so in in the movie airborne
, seth green's character, wiley,was not a very good skater and
chris edwards actually playedthe part of the uh, other bad
skater on the other group ofskaters that you know wiley's

(10:04):
character went up against.
So you know it was always funny,because you have to be a good
skater to look like a bad skater.
And I was the shortest skaterthat auditioned, that actually
could skate, and so Seth Greenpulled me aside at the audition
and said hey, do me a favor,like hit this ramp and just when
you, when you come off the ramp, just flail through the air and

(10:25):
I want you to like land on yourknees and your elbows, like on
your pads, like you just wrecked.
So like okay, I mean I'vewrecked countless times and, you
know, had the beefy pads.
So I was like no problem, didit, and you didn't really find
anything out that day.
So I did it.
We went home from the auditionand I think it must have been

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like a week later.
They called us all back andtold us like what we were going
to be doing for the movie.
But probably the coolest storythat I have to tell you from the
movie is one of the scenes.
So in the movie they have thisrace called Dev's down, devil's
backbone, which is not a realthing it is, it is to me, I, I

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doing movies, made it or doingdoing the movie airborne made it
difficult for me to really likeappreciate movie magic from
that point on in my life,because I understood how cut
scenes work.
But um, but the beginning scenefor the race, so the starting
line, was filmed at the top ofthis incredibly steep road Like

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this.
This road was so steep and oneof the things I remember about
it was that they had a floatingcam on a trailer that was being
pulled by a motorcycle and atone point the guy driving the
motorcycle told us he's like Ihave to, I have to keep this
thing at 60 miles per hour justto stay out in front of you guys

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.
So here we are on our non-speedaggressive inline skates,
getting up to like 55, 60 milesan hour, ripping down this hill.
But the wildest part about itwas is, if you fell and a lot of
guys did because you got atthat speed, you're getting speed
wobbles serious in your skates,but um, a lot of guys fell as

(12:15):
soon as you hit.
When you fell, you're, you wentfaster, like as soon as that
plastic hits the road.
You go faster than the, thanthe people on the skates, but
yeah, we were just ripping downthat hill and it was one of the
coolest experiences ever justgoing that fast on skates.
It was wild.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, I was actually going to ask you about Devil's
Backbone because that's like forus inline skaters that have
seen the movie, it's somethingwe want to do.
So are you telling me?

Speaker 3 (12:46):
that it's all in pieces.
Yeah, damn it, it's, it's.
There's bits and pieces filmedin just about every area of
cincinnati I can think of.
But and I don't know if youcould do this legally it'd be
worth it to ride that hill ifyou, if you can handle getting
up to speed on your skates uh,if you have speed skates, um

(13:07):
riding that hill I probablywouldn't do it on speed skates,
just because how much speed Iget.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
I mean 100 millimeter wheels with ceramic bearings.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, that's no sense well, and you're not gonna have
it.
You're not gonna have a stop, abreak on speed skates either,
and that's what was saving us,because it because the bottom of
the hill you had maybe about300 feet until it completely
teed off into another road, yeahso so we were doing all sorts
of ridiculous stuff.
As soon as we get to the bottomof the hill, you had to

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basically lay on your brake.
So we're like sitting thereriding one-footed on our break,
doing like freestyle moves, likedoing like grabs and stuff,
because we're just like comingto a stop because it took you I
mean, it might have taken youlike 20, 30 feet just to stop,
because there was one scenewhere I think it was jack
black's character, or was itseth greens?

Speaker 2 (13:56):
yeah, where they hit the, they hit the neighborhood
and ended up running across thegrass down the hill.
Was that your scene, or?

Speaker 3 (14:05):
yeah, so there was a scene one of the scenes I was in
, um, and it was chris edwardsand I.
Um, we were coming downeverybody like the the devil's
backbone hill.
If you're going down the hilllike the skater's view cuts to
the right, and so what chrisedwards and I had to do, we had
to step up onto this rock likewall and step over it.

(14:30):
Yeah, and then we had toscramble down this like grass,
like just little hill, but theproblem it wasn't just like a
continuous hill, it cut off ontoa driveway.
So there's like anotherretaining wall and it was
probably like a five foot droponto a driveway.
So there's like anotherretaining wall and it was
probably like a five foot droponto a driveway.
Well, the idea was for us tolike hit a couple steps, jump

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over the other retaining wall,roll across the driveway and
down the hill into these trees.
Problem was is that the grasswas really soft, so chris
edwards was hitting it, justfine, but my skates kept sinking
into it and and twice I did,and we had like full body pads,
like you know, pads for yourback and your front and
everything.
I kept literally likesomersaulting over the retaining

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wall and landing on my back onthe driveway.
We did it twice and thedirector uh, second unit
director was like we're, we'regood, like that's actually a
really good shot.
I don't want to like keephaving you do this.
I don't want you to like riskhurting yourself because you
keep falling the same way.
Um, but yeah, so that was, thatwas the scene I was in, and then

(15:35):
I in another scene, uh one ofthe scenes, so, in jack black's
scene, or at least one of theones where you see him a bunch,
and I think it's uh the onewhere one of the skaters wrecks
onto the front porch of a coupleold dudes and they spit a
little tobacco, like tobaccojuice, on them.
I remember that, um, that thatscene was filmed out near fort

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ancient, out in lebanon, becausethere's just this really steep,
windy road that just goesdownhill for a lot of ways.
So you're, you're literallylike in probably eight different
parts of Cincinnati, and someof the areas were way, way, way
out of Cincinnati, like 30 miles.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
So I'm just going to have to film myself just a small
clip of doing devil's backboneand just say I skated it.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Do the, do the, do the starting line, starting line
, that's.
That would be the most excitingpart, in my opinion, uh, but
falling would freak me out a lotof cuts.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
What's that?
I said the falling would freakme out, especially at that speed
.
Yeah, I've seen some of thedownhill skaters.
Have you seen them?
They're like in columbia, wherethey're like full gear, like
helmet everything.
Where they're like full gear,like helmet everything, and
they're doing like 75 kilometersan hour and then they hit and
they just it's like sliding intohome base right past the

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pitcher, right out of the rightout of the stadium.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
So One of the one of the guys that, uh, that I skated
with outside of the movie, whoalso got a part in the movie I
skated with outside of the movie, who also got a part in the
movie, I remember him gettingkicked off the set because he
couldn't stay on his feet goingdown the hill and he kept
sliding off into the trees andthey're like you got to go, dude
, like you know, you can't, wecan't risk you getting hurt.

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And then the way, and then wejust all they had like a, a van,
you know, for transportingpeople around.
So when we get to the bottom ofthe hill we'd all just grab
onto the van and they'd justdrive us back up the hill to do
it again.
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
That's the easiest way to get up the hill, because
skating up hills sucks yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Especially if it's as steep as you said it was.
Oh, you would not be able toskate up this hill.
You would not be able to skateup this hill.
You would not be able to skateup this hill.
There'd be no point, no pointat all.
You'd be like sidestepping thewhole way.
You'd have to.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
How long of a hill was it Like?
What's the?

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Maybe three quarters of a mile, maybe a mile.
Yeah, that's too long to skateup hills.
Yeah, it's a long hill, well.
And and then in college uh,because I went to uc we would
start up by the campus and thenwe'd skate down this bing log,
bing log main main road mcmillanroad, I think is what it's

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called down to like a little, umkind of an artsier area of
clifton called in the gaslightdistrict, and you'd have to time
the intersection just rightbecause it was where another
main road crossed.
So if you wanted to just cutthrough it entirely, you had to
make sure that by the time yougot to that intersection the

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light turned green and you justrip through the intersection.
But we do the same thing.
We just hide behind a car andwe just hold on to the bumper
and let him pull us back up tothe top of the hill again.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Nice now yeah, so that was a huge experience for
you.
Did you do anything else as faras movie wise after that?

Speaker 3 (18:57):
um, I got a.
So yeah, um one.
One day after we wrapped on set, uh, so I was second unit, so I
was in the stunt unit.
But one day after we wrapped Iwas turning in my hours up in
the production office and as Iwas leaving I happened to get on
the elevator with the executiveproducer.

(19:18):
So Airborne was an IconProductions movie, so Mel
Gibson's production company.
But I got onto the elevatorwith the executive producer I
believe his name was steve andmy cavity.
But, and here and I, I was 19, Iwas from ohio, I'd never been
anywhere and I'm on thiselevator with this dude from

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california and I kept noticinghim looking at me.
So I I'm just thinking like,why are you looking at me?
What is going on?
Like you're starting to make mefeel really uncomfortable, like
you know.
And so we get to the, we get tothe bottom of the elevator and
he's like hey, do me a favor.
He's like, come back up to theoffice with me real quick.
I think we might be able to useyou for something else.

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And I was thinking just for likeanother role in that movie,
like another stunt double roleor something.
So the very next day they sentme over to first unit, which was
the acting unit, and I had tofind, uh, the photographer.
I believe his name was Jim andand they're like, yeah, he'll
take a couple of pictures of you.
I thought it was going to bereally quick, like it.
I mean, I can't tell you howmany pictures they took of me,

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but it was about an hour it tookto do all the pictures.
They had me in a bunch ofdifferent positions, standing up
on stuff.
Well, what had happened wasthey were also in the process of
finishing up filming the manWithout a Face.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
So that was the movie where Mel Gibson had half of
his face burnt.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
And the little kid befriended him Saw that one too.
And so what's that I said?
I saw that one too.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
Yep, then you've seen me before, because here's how
this story goes.
What happened was the actor,nick Stahl, who played Chuck
most probably I'm pretty sureit's Chuck.
They couldn't get him to lookrealistically older and I think
at the time he was maybe 14, 13or 14.

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He might have been younger butbut they couldn't find a
realistic double and theycouldn't make him look
realistically older to do thelast scene of the movie where
he's 17 and he graduates fromthe military academy where he's
going.
So that's what the that's whatthe executive producer on
airborne was looking at me for.
Because when I went back up tothe production office, he, he
called everybody.
I was like look, look at, lookat his face, look at his ears,

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like doesn't he look like blah,blah, blah, blah?
And they kept talking aboutstuff and it was going right
over my head.
But what ended up happening was,a couple of weeks after we
wrapped on airborne, I got acall from the same casting
person that I'd talked to forairborne, and and so and I, I
knew her, cause it's weird, likeon a movie set, you kind of

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just get to know each other,like you, just you're friendly
with everybody.
But Lisa Baker was a name.
She called me and I had apost-it note on my college dorm
desk saying to call her back.
So I called her back andliterally she's just like hey,
listen, we're, we're flying youout to la.
We think we could use you foranother movie.
Um, I need you to catch a cabto the cincinnati airport, you

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know, as early as you can in themorning.
We've got one.
That's gonna like I think theysent one to pick me up at like
five o'clock in the morning.
They're like you know, packlight.
They, you know they they'dalready bought the ticket.
She's like we think that we canuse it for another scene.
It's an acting role.
You know the chances of youmaking it into the movie are
very slim.
You could very well just end upon the cutting room floor, but

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we wanted to see for sure.
So literally like I call herthat night, the very next
morning I'm on a plane out toLos Angeles.
Again, I'm 19 years old, I'venever been anywhere.
You know to me, at that pointin my life I thought everybody
was the same as everybody I knewin Ohio.
So, here I am flying to LosAngeles.
That was a paradigm shift, butdefinitely culture shock.

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So what ended up happening wasthey wanted me to play the older
version of chuck when hegraduated from the military
academy and I did a good enoughjob that actually made it into
the movie.
So the very last scene of thatmovie is literally me.
So I had a couple of lines andthe movie ends going from a

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closeup of my face to credits.
Nice.
It was, it was.
It was a pretty wild experience.
I was.
I was certain that I was goingto drop out of college and move
out to Hollywood and try to makea go as an actor.
Everybody out in LA was likeand I can't.
I can't remember the name ofsnake, uh, the, the character

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who played snake and airborne.
He's a really popular actornowadays.
Um I know what you're talkingabout yeah, I should know his
name because he's, because he'svery renowned, um, and I feel
bad, but he was.
He was on that set too.
So you know, I got to, I got torub elbows in Airborne, I got
to rub elbows with Seth GreenJack Black and then the other

(24:09):
guy that I'm trying to I'll haveto look up his name.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, it's weird that you've and this is all in the
beginning of their careers too.
It's like who?
Knew I mean Jack Black didNever Ending Story 4 or
something like that also, so younever thought Jack Black would.
I saw him one time at when wasit?
The Rainforest Cafe atDisneyland and I wanted to go up

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to him like Augie, is that you?
Because that was his name inthe movies.
Yeah, he's an icon now.
Which is funny because you don'tthink about that when you're
starting off in a movie andyou're just hanging out and
doing something at the beginning.
But it's just amazing how manypeople have come out of that
movie.
And then did you get to meetmel gibson when you did man

(24:55):
without a face or yep.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
So they, they flew me out to la in the morning.
I had to go get contacts fittedbecause my eye color was
different.
We got to the set.
I had a total skater haircut,you know.
It was like shaved on the sideslong.
You know, like flop my hat overtop of it.
So they gave me a haircut tolook like I was in a military

(25:17):
academy and then they marched meout to the set.
Mel was basically like straightdown to business.
You know.
He looked to see, you know justwhat I look like.
And he's like yep, like let'stry it.
And so we did a few shots.
He told me basically, like youknow, here's what I want you to
say, here's how I want you tofeel when you say it.

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There was one shot we did that.
I was having a hard time hittingmy mark, cause here I am, like
I'm not a professional actor,but I, we, we kept having to
shoot it again because I keptmissing the mark.
And I remember one of thecamera guys looked at me.
He's like just hit your mark,like he got really frustrated
with me.
He's like just hit your mark,um and there.

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And in that shot I was supposedto be waving out to Mel Gibson,
you know, like who was kind ofthere at my graduation or there
at Chuck's graduation and wasn'treally wanting me to see him.
But I see him and so I get upon this chair to get a better
perspective and I'm looking, andI'm looking and I see him out

(26:20):
in the out, in the distance, andhe turns around and he sticks
his hand up and I and I waved tohim as well and I'm literally
like just waving at a big blackboard with an orange X through
it, which is where they wantedme to be looking.
So I was like, oh, okay, now Isee how movies happen, like now
I get how these work, um, butbut I I ended up staying, uh in

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LA for the weekend.
They put me up at the universalSheraton hotel.
I got to do a lot ofsightseeing.
I got to hang out with a lot ofpeople that I knew from doing
airborne uh, back in Cincinnati,um, hung out with, uh, seth
green, uh, and again these thiswas back before like a lot of
these actors were big names, soyou know, it was kind of wild
just to know them.

(27:05):
Then I got to go to a cast andcrew party, I think on a
saturday night, and then I flewback to uh, back to cincinnati
on sunday night or mondaymorning, I'm not sure which, and
was ready to drop out of schoolto move to la to become an
actor just be glad nobodysupported that dream just be
glad you did, and it is soexpensive out there now, it's

(27:26):
ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
So I mean I just I moved to Colorado a couple of
years ago, so I've had 50 yearsin.
California.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Colorado is the state that I love the most and that's
because you know I'd say aftermy movie career with the skating
and learning how to aggressiveinline skate.
From there I started rockclimbing and whitewater kayaking
and snowboarding and mountainbiking, doing a lot of
adrenaline sports.
So I spent a lot of time inColorado doing that stuff.

(27:57):
Colorado is one of my favoriteplaces to be.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Nice.
Yeah, I plan to get those ODRskis that I sent you.
I plan on getting a pair ofthat for next winter.
So that's the goal.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
I'm going to have to try it.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
I'm going to have to try those for sure, don't know
if the girlfriend we were justtalking I think it was today
she's got this big fluffy jacketthat someone bought for her for
skiing and she's like I'm nevergoing skiing again.
So might be able to talk herinto getting odrs.
Those look like a lot of fun.

(28:30):
But so now how did your skatinglike?
Did you just continue withinline?
After the movie, after yourmovie career?

Speaker 3 (28:36):
and oh, like I said, I basically I think I probably
hung up my skates for maybe 10,15 years and I honestly didn't
start skating again until Ibecame a father.
Um, and you know, it was at theage where my boy was like
starting to get to that pointwhere getting them skates was
just the thing to do and I waslike, well, if he's going to

(28:58):
have skates, then I'm going toget myself a pair of skates too.
I don't think I'd own a pair ofskates, you know, and, like I
said, 10 to 15 years.
So I just got myself a pair oflike inexpensive k2 athletic
inline skates just to skate on.
So, you know, he'd go out onthe road and skate around and
I'd just go out on my skates andskate with him.
Um, you know, and at the time,uh, when his mom and I were

(29:22):
together, his older sister wasgoing to skating parties for her
elementary school.
So I would go and her mom, youknow.
So we would go kind of to theseskating parties as a little
family, you know, and I'd takemy boy out skating with me, but
I was still on inline skates.
Yeah, and I stayed on inlineskates until I started the
TikTok channel that I have now.
I stayed on inline skates untilI started the TikTok channel

(29:44):
that I have now.
And what?
What had happened was, um, when, when my son's mom and I split,
you know not to be too specific, you know, we just ran into a
lot of problems trying to getthem into any kind of organized
sports.
So, you know, due to a lack ofcooperation between the two of
us, we couldn't get them into,like the baseball.

(30:04):
You know, baseball, soccer,football, all the normal kind of
sports.
I looked at him.
I was like, look, buddy, like Iwas, I was a pro skater back in
the day, like you know, like I,here's what we're going to do.
I was like skating is going tobe your sport until we can solve
this problem.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
So I'm going to.
So I had him Tuesday throughFriday, because I'm a bartender,
so I worked on the weekend, soI had him during the week.
So whenever I'd pick him up onTuesday, we would go straight
from his mom's house straight tothe skating rink and we skated.
And we would skate every week.
I was like this is what we'regoing to do, so this is your
sport until we figure somethingelse out and there's an

(30:40):
opportunity to let you dosomething a little more
traditional.
And that never materialized and, honestly, we just kept skating
.
So we've skated every Tuesdayfor geez since, let's see,
probably almost eight years,nice, and then we moved from
Cincinnati back up to Dayton,continued skating at the rank

(31:02):
that we are locals at now, likeregulars at Skate World in
kettering, ohio, um, which isone of the ranks where I used to
have skating parties back inelementary school.
So that was kind of a cool fullcircle.
Uh turn, but my son does notlike inline skates.
Okay, and I got him inlineskates because I was kind of

(31:22):
like I wanted him to get intoinline skates because inline
skating was my thing.
You know, I hadn't been onquads since I was, you know, 8,
9, 10, 11, 12.
But he didn't like inline skates.
So I got to a point where I waslike you know what, like if
he's going to grow as a skater,I need to be able to skate on
skates that he can relate to.

(31:42):
So if he, if, if he can't seeme skate on inlines and learn
much for me on inlines, like Ihave to get, I have to get back
on quads.
And so I asked him.
I was like hey, I was like youknow what if I got, what if I
started skating on quads again?
I can't remember what year itwas.
I think it might've been like2021, that Christmas I got
myself a pair of um first pairof quad skates and gosh 40 years

(32:07):
maybe 30 years I don't know butand and start and started the
Tik TOK channel cause I thoughtit'd be fun to document.
You know someone who was at onepoint like an aggressive inline
skater.
You know skating rails, youknow skating vert ramps, like
doing like all the likeaggressive stuff going from that

(32:27):
kind of skater back to like amore jam style rhythm.
You know quad skater at therink, and so that's what
motivated me to start with theTikTok channel.
I thought that'd be fun todocument.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, and the nice thing about skating.
I mean, even though that's asports, now there's so many
different avenues.
You can go Even on quads.
You've got hockey, you can dospeed skating on quads.
And if he's an aggressive kid,roller derby, I mean there's
like so many different.
Yeah, roller derby for sure.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
So I mean go ahead.
Well, I was going to say thething that I've told him, you
know, and the thing that I loveis that you know at the time
that we couldn't get them toplay soccer or could get them on
to like a football team oranything like that, because you
know, we just couldn't figure itout and I was disappointed that
I couldn't give him thatopportunity and I felt kind of

(33:19):
like, well, I'm teaching you howto skate, but you really should
be playing soccer Now thatwe've done it for as long as we
have.
I played soccer as a kid, allthrough high school.
I was a varsity soccer playerin high school and as soon as I
got out of high school, I rarelyplayed soccer ever again.
So you know, my perspective onskating changed a little bit

(33:42):
because what I realized I wasgiving him was a lifelong sport
Like he's he.
I was like you can skate forthe rest of your life, buddy.
Like you have skating that youcan do.
If you want to move to a brandnew city, if you want to go live
somewhere that you've neverlived before and you're having
trouble meeting people, grabyour skates, find the local

(34:04):
skating rink and go become aregular at that skating rink and
you will meet people so easily.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Absolutely.
I mean because I've startedhanging out at the rinks out
here.
I started back up reallygetting serious about skating
last november or december um,cool, like over a year ago, and
it was just kind of like youknow what?
I'm going to the rink, I havemy k2, 100 millimeter boas, I've
got speed skates, nice, um,nice, so that all developed

(34:35):
where it's kind of like theskating community.
It's like we go now and we geta bunch of people in there and
we give them compliments, likewe help them.
It's like if someone'sstruggling, we stop and help
them.
The community you get at theroller rink is going to be way
better than anything you get atthe local bar.
I'm just hands down.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Take it from me.
Take it from me.
As a bartender of 20 years, Ican attest to that fully.
I used to be a bouncer, so Iknow also.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
So it's like one of those things where it's kind of
like you bump into someone atthe roller rink, you're like, oh
, I'm sorry, and then you helpthem back up and they don't get
mad at you, they don't go.
Let's go outside, buddy, youdon't have to fight them, right?
So yeah, but it's.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
The roller skating community is an amazing
community, and what I'll tellyou this is the thing that I
found most interesting, though,and I did not know this.
It should have made sensebecause of what I used to do
back when I was kayaking andclimbing.
You know, we travel all over togo to the spots that we wanted
to kayak and climb at, andthings like that.
What blows my mind, andsomething that I want to start

(35:39):
doing with my son and I thinkwe're going to start trying to
do it more this summer istraveling to other rinks in
different areas of the countryto go skating.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Let me know when you're in Colorado.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Oh for sure.
Well, I was going to sayColorado is a destination spot
that I absolutely intend to takemy son to and know, and he's,
he's 13, going on 14.
So we're at that point where a20 hour road trip out to
Colorado from Ohio is totallydoable and he can, he'll be able
to handle it just fine.
Um, but Colorado is the firstplace I want to take him, like

(36:14):
on a road trip, just so that hecan experience that drive across
Kansas, that drive across, likeyou know, Eastern Colorado
plateau, and then when youfinally start to see the
mountains appear on the horizon,just that amazing.
Like there are the mountains,they are freaking huge.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
But when you take it through the cornfields.
You have to teach him about hewho walks behind the rows.
I don't know that, children ofthe corn.
When you have to teach himabout he who walks behind the
rose I don't know that, childrenof the corn yeah, when I, when
I was a kid, I was not allowedto watch horror movies really
dude.
That was no, it was funnybecause I grew up loving horror
movies.
I would watch him.
My mom got to a point where shedidn't even care anymore.

(36:54):
And now my 13 year old I I mean, I've taken him to horror cons
and he's got to meet the guy,two different people that have
played Jason Voorhees.
So like he's met all thesepeople and it's like he'll sit
and binge watch horror movies byhimself in the dark.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
That's awesome.
My son loves horror movies.
I don't do them so well.
So he'll be like, hey, will youwatch this movie with me?
I was like I will watch.
Like okay, I know that you sawthis movie in the theater.
Do you remember when petsanitary was in the theaters?
The first, the first one?
Yes, I, I, I walked out.

(37:32):
It scared me so bad I had toget up and leave the theater.
It freaked me out so incrediblybad.
So he loves horror movies andif you want I'll watch.
I'll watch them with him to thepoint where I can't anymore.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
So we grew up with a family cabin in Lake Tahoe, so I
spent.
that's where I learned how todrive in snow and we were
playing laser tag in the meadow.
So it's like you go down thestreet from our cabin, walk
through the forest, there's ameadow and on the other side of
the meadow.
So we're playing laser tag andat 11 o'clock at night we found
the pet cemetery that they haveon the other side of that meadow

(38:09):
.
We went straight home, it wasdone.
Laser tag was over at thatpoint, especially 11 o'clock at
night.
When you find the pet cemetery,you're like and this was after
we watched the movie, so we'relike we're done we're going home
.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Nope, we're done we don't need nothing coming out.
I've been out of there, I'vebeen the first one gone, but
yeah, so it's like we grew up ina good time.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
so fast we definitely grew up, I agree.
I agree that, especially withthe skating and everything.
But it's's nice to see thepandemic did a resurgence and
got more people interested.
But kids nowadays don'tunderstand the struggles we had
when skating.
When we were younger we didn'thave skate parks.
You were lucky to get a vertramp because in Livermore we had

(38:55):
the Chicken Ranch which had avert ramp for the skateboarders.
Nobody was doing inlines on theramp, it was just all
skateboarders back in the 80s,oh yeah, but it's nowadays.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
Those were the only people that were at skate parks.
Now it's BMX free riders inlineskaters, scooters, quad skaters
with the wide trucks.
Yeah, I mean, it's it.
Skate parks are crowdednowadays.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, it's nice and have you do you know who
estrogen is?
Yes, so she does she does a lotof the, the skate ramps too.
She does a lot of that kind ofstuff, and she's amazing yeah,
and unfortunately she goteliminated in the first round on
roller jam her crew, oh reallyso.

(39:43):
Have you watched that show?

Speaker 3 (39:46):
um, I know what you're talking about.
There's, uh, there's a lady, um, what's her name?
But she, she used to performwith, uh, uh, the parliament
funkadel, george clinton and theParliament Funkadelics Okay,
and she's a roller skater on, Iwant to say her name's Kim.
She's a roller skater on TikTokand she was also in it as well.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
So on her channel she would post up every once in a
while like some behind thescenes kind of stuff of being on
Roller Jam.
I haven't seen it yet.
Oh you got gotta watch it.
It's a must watch for me.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yeah, I actually don't know what service it's
streaming on max, hbo, max, Idon't even know what to call it
anymore, okay, so okay, theykeep merging everything, so I'm
not even sure what things arecalled anymore.
So, right, but I had terrellferguson who was one of the
judges on there.
Um, I had, uh, honor roll skatecrew who actually won the show.

(40:40):
So I've had them on the showtoo, and it was funny, because
when you were talking aboutteaching yours, is his son right
?
Yeah, teaching your son aboutskating.
Last week's guest, the the show, right before the one you're on
, um, he started skating in 1957.
my gosh and he's still skatingmetal wheels.

(41:03):
Tell me they're metal wheels.
He started off on metal wheels.
I started off on metal wheels.
I had the one that adjusted toyour shoe size, so, and he's 72
now and that's awesome he's gotroller dance academy.
He's got his own skate fromRydell.
That's so cool.
It's amazing, and the cool thingabout his story is that he did

(41:31):
a lot of this before we even hadthe internet, and I mean he was
talking about recording stuffon VHS tapes.
I'm like great, my youngergeneration is not going to know
what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
What's a VHS tape?
Who has a vcr these days?

Speaker 2 (41:42):
I don't even have a dvd player, and the funny thing
is is my kids do, because theyhave ps5s.
So unless you have a gamingsystem, you don't really even
have a disc player anymorebecause everything's streamed.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Yeah, but yeah, there's no hardware associated
with like media, like it used tobe when it was in our day, and
I mean if you walked up tosomebody and said be kind,
rewind, they would have no ideawhat you even mean.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
They don't even know what a video rental store is
like.
Yeah, that was, that was thebest.
But you sit by the counter,wait for people to bring movies
back to make sure you got yourmovie.
Oh yeah, and the mostdisappointing part was when
there was a new movie that cameout and you're like so excited
to get it and you went to thestore and they were all gone and
just like just all the coverswere there, just and, yeah, they

(42:29):
stick it out in your face soyou can see everything, but you
can't get it because it's not in, and that's why we stood by the
, by the side, so we can makesure that when someone dropped
it off, we grabbed it like, canyou check that in really quick?
Can you check that?
So?
my two older ones got to kind ofexperience the tail end of that
.
I don't think I've ever takenmy younger ones to rent a movie

(42:49):
because I mean they had red box.
So and it's like the nice thingis is like with uh, where you
rent the movie for like 99 centson amazon or whatever.
At least I don't have toremember to take the damn movie
back, yeah.
But I guess even they just endit.
Yeah, I guess Redbox went outof business too.

(43:10):
Makes sense.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
I'd say Netflix would have followed them if they
didn't start their streamingbusiness, which was smart.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Well, I think they approached no, they approached
Blockbuster first.
Netflix actually approachedBlockbuster first to go into
business and help them get thestreaming thing off the ground.
They're like that's never goingto work.
I bet you the owners arekicking themselves in the butt
now.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Oh yeah for sure.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Just out of curiosity , what part of Colorado are you
in?

Speaker 2 (43:39):
North Glen, which is basically North Denver.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
Okay, Very cool.
I took a trip I want to say Idon't think it was a
snowboarding trip, but I wasmeeting a buddy of mine from
California and so it was the 4thof July, and so I was traveling
out from Ohio and he just movedout to California.
So he traveled to Colorado, soColorado was halfway and we went

(44:07):
up to Chautauqua park inBoulder, colorado, to watch the
fireworks displays.
It was like we'll just go situp at Chautauqua park, which is
at the base of the Flatirons,and just watch Boulder's
fireworks displays.
But what we didn't realize isthat we were up high enough that
we were able to see thefireworks displays all out

(44:27):
across, like you know, the thefront range and all the way out,
like into the plateau area.
But we could see all that.
We could see all the way downto Denver, nice, like we're like
, we could see all the way downto Denver, nice, all the way
down to Denver.
And I think we were probablyseeing fireworks displays up so
far as, like Fort Collins.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Yeah, cool thing, I love it here.
There's no way you're gettingme to go back to California and
just the amount of roller rinkswe have.
I mean, we have an adult skatenight every night of the week,
seriously, and it's just amazing.
So have you gotten your son?

Speaker 3 (45:07):
into trail skating or is he just rink skater now?
Not really much trail skating,but he does it on his own, so
when he goes with his mom he'lltake his skates with him
sometimes because they've gotlike a little bike path and
he'll skate around there.
So it could be something thathe wants to start doing.
I I'm still kind of an inlinesnob, like when it comes to
trail skating.
Like I don't want to rollerskate on a trail like I see a

(45:29):
lot of people posting videos andthey do it and I think that's
great.
But if I'm going to go on atrail and and I was going to ask
you for some advice like I wantto get a pair of like speed
fitness skates to where I canlike use it as exercise, yeah,
um, because I we've got a bikepath that runs right past our

(45:49):
backyard so we have access tolike that kind of trail like
literally like outside the fenceto our backyard.
Um, I think he'll stay on quads, but but, yeah, I, he, I he's
gotten into some trail skatingon his own.
We've never done it together.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Yeah, I've got K2, the 100 millimeter Boas, and
I've got outdoor wheels andindoor wheels.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Okay, but I like Is it that short?
Is it the small, like kind ofshoe, like boot?

Speaker 2 (46:19):
It's not the short.
Those are my speed skates, butit's like a regular boot.
OK it's definitely got 100millimeter wheels and of course,
I change the wheels out.
My rink wheels are junk wheels,voodoos, and I switch out to
ceramic bearings.
So it's it's as you get olderand you can actually afford

(46:40):
skate stuff, it's like, yes, youget bearings, and it's like I'm
I'm working on putting togethera pair of uh, inline speed
skates for indoor.
So because I I have my speedskates for outdoor are 125
millimeter wheels and I actuallyplan on doing the rollerblade
series this year, so my firstrace is may 31st.

(47:00):
So and that'll be in st paul,minnesota.
So yeah, there's two inminnesota, one in wisconsin and
one in north dakota do you havea three-wheel chassis for your
skates, or is it ours?

Speaker 3 (47:17):
is it a four-wheel chassis?

Speaker 2 (47:19):
I've got a three-wheel for the speed skates
, so that's why the125-millimeter wheels.
But I'm switching those out to.
Voodoo and Ceramic Barings too.
So I like junk wheels.
That's my under-the-boot brand,Okay that's fair.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Yeah, back when I was getting into aggressive inline
skating, there was a wheelmanufacturer that was coming on
the scene because everybody wasdoing new stuff called Fat Boys.
Do you remember those?

Speaker 2 (47:47):
wheels.
I remember.
I do remember those I used backin the 90s.
I used hyperlights 80s and 90s.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
So yeah, I remember those too well because
everything had that like super,like speed profile and there
weren't, there weren't wheelsfor aggressive skaters that had
that thick base and that kind offlatter, you know, edge to them
.
And fat and fat boys came onthe market and that, and that
was one of the companies I had asponsorship with for a short
period of time, because afterthe movies I did a little, I I

(48:20):
did some demos and somecompetitions around the Dayton,
cincinnati area for a littlewhile Until I moved on to other
things.
Nice, but Fat Boys takes meback.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Do you have?
Inline skates now too?
Or did you get yourself a new?

Speaker 3 (48:38):
pair of aggressive no , I, uh.
So I, a couple summers ago, umand this was I have a couple
videos posted on my channel um,I got my son a scooter, like one
of those freestyle scooters.
Yeah, uh, he and I playpickleball together and there's

(48:59):
a uh skate park near where weplayed pickleball and so I got
him a freestyle scooter so hecould go there and he could ride
around on the ramps and stufflike that.
Um, and I was like, well, ifwe're gonna do that, I'm just
gonna go ahead and get myself apair of inline skates, you know,
and and you know aggressivepads, and I'm gonna, because

(49:19):
they had there's a I'd say it'sprobably maybe like a six foot
quarter pipe, you know half pipe, okay, um, so I was like I'll
just go ride the half pipe.
So I was for a little while onesummer I was getting kind of
back into some more aggressiveskating.
The problem with the skates wasthey are super heavy, like yeah,
like each state was like, think, two to two and a half pounds

(49:42):
each, and so they're just like asuper heavy skate.
But it's what I could afford atthe time.
So I was like, well, this willbe fine.
And you know, we did it.
We did it for a summer and justdidn't do it the next summer.
So I do have an aggressiveskate setup.
I do have an aggressive skatesetup, um, and I did a few
videos on my channel, uh, aboutlike just videos of me doing

(50:03):
like some uh half pipe and likesome street skating and stuff.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
I did catch those.
So now, have you upgraded sincethen or are you still like what
?
What's the?
What skate did you pick up?

Speaker 3 (50:17):
So, so when?
Okay, so, when I went frominline to quad, I got, um, it's
a, it's a uk company, uh, riomayhem's, okay, and it was just,
and and I, and honestly, likeagain, I was just looking for a
skate that I could afford.
They had this cool green boot,white-wheeled skate.

(50:40):
I thought that looks cool.
That doesn't look likeeverybody else's skate.
That's out there, it's at aprice point I can afford.
Give me a little bit of novelty, since I'm going to be posting
videos on TikTok.
That was my first quad skate.
It took me a while, and anotherskater friend of mine, to

(51:01):
realize that the wheels that Iwas rolling on were way too soft
for the rank.
So I upgraded wheels and Iupgraded bearings, but then
eventually the laces startedpulling through the islets.
Laces started pulling throughthe islets.
So I was like I have, so I had,I knew I had to get a new setup
.
Um, you know, and, being asingle parent, you know I'm, I'm

(51:24):
, you know I'm not dropping $600on a pair of skates Like those
are the cheap ones.
Yeah, fine, yeah, and the andhonestly, these skates, they
held up for a good couple ofyears Like they were.
They were a great, you you know.
Reintroduction back into quads,you know, for me there are
plenty good for what I neededthem to be.
Um, but it was a canvas bootand so the eyelets pulled

(51:47):
through eventually and then soso again, I was kind of like man
, like you know, like I'm notgoing to give up quad skating,
you know, because my skates blewout like so I'm just I'll find
them.
So I got end up getting like apair of roller derby elites.
You know, it's the high topboot.
Um, it wasn't a style choice, itwas just like, well, these are
what I can afford.
So I'm gonna get these andthat's what I'm skating on now.
But where I'm at currently, I'mgonna go a few different routes

(52:12):
and I'm not sure which one I'mgonna do first.
Um, I'm currently learning jbstyle skating, which I love.
Um, I didn't know it was JBstyle skating when I first
started like really getting into, like watching other skaters on
TikTok.
I just saw all these skatersdoing these amazing footwork
moves and I thought that looksso cool.
So when I finally learned it.
It was JB style skating.

(52:34):
I was like that's what I wantto learn.
So that's what my focus hasbeen on, probably for the past
year.
But once I feel like I have agood handle of JB skating and
I'm happy with where I'm at, Idon't know if I'm going to go to
slides.
Okay, and the reason why isbecause inline skating, a lot of

(52:57):
your aggressive moves, you'resliding sideways across the
coping, you know down thehandrail, you know you're going,
you're doing power stops andthings like that.
So I'm kind of like that's cool, like I kind of want to do
slides because you can kind ofslide sideways and that that's
in my wheelhouse, like so mymuscle memory, like I know how
to slide sideways on skates,yeah, so I might do slides, is a

(53:20):
direction that I want to go.
But the other direction mightbe getting a pair or turning,
you know, a pair of skates into,uh, ramp skates, getting like a
wider pair of trucks and andbiting the bullet and saying,
all right, I'm done inlineskating on ramps.
I'm going to try quad skatingon ramps, um, and get into

(53:41):
aggressive quad skating on ramps.
So I'm not sure which skate I'mgoing to go to first, whether
I'm going to do like anaggressive ramp, quad skate or a
pair of slides.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Just do all three yeah, it'll take time to get
them all, but you know it'sthat's nice.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Yeah, it's, it's not.
It's not.
You're right, it's not aneither or choice, it's more of a
which one first.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Exactly, and my last case cause he like used to work
on at skates on hate.
So he's got major background inskating.
He said, when it comes to quadskates, make sure you get
yourself a nice leather boot.
He said, when it comes to quadskates, make sure you get
yourself a nice leather boot.
He said don't get pleather,don't get just, you want leather
boot because they last longer.
And there's people you knowhe's, he's had skates that he's

(54:30):
had for years, so it's, it'sjust one of those things.
So now, what was your what's?
Uh, so now, what was yourwhat's?
Did you say the brand of yourinline skates that you have that
you're using right now?
They.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
I can't think of what brand they are.
It's not a mainstream brand.
It was probably like oh man, sothis is them.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
That's the nice thing about editing yeah, anarchy
revolution.
Okay.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
So yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
I don't think I've heard of it.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
This thing is two and a half pounds but it's got that
nice wide grind base plate.
And then they didn't makechassis like this.
When I was aggressive skatingwith the already cut out yeah,
this was the damage that we didto our own skates skating,

(55:35):
coping and rail and justgrinding on curbs and stuff like
that, just wearing down ourchassis to the nub I mean I
would love to get into that butunfortunately, due to certain
health issues, I have to becareful about falling.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
So at least speed skating.
I mean I had to stop.
I was planning on roller derby.
Can't do that.
I was expecting to play morerink hockey.
I can't do that because I can't.
If I hit my head too hard andbleed, I'm done.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
It's one of those things.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Sorry, exactly, but at least I can still speed skate
.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
I was going to say any kind of movement on skates I
think is nice.
I know I'm'm gonna skate untilthe day I die and some of my
favorite, some of my morefavorite videos to see on tiktok
are when there's like mucholder skaters out there just
kicking it hard.
Yeah, it's like that's gonna beme.

(56:33):
That's gonna be me probably 10years, 10 or 10 or 20 years.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Friday nights at the adult skate I'm usually the
oldest person in the rink.
There's people that look olderthan me but I'm the oldest, so I
I own that one.
But if I go to like the otherones, like if I go to Arvada,
cause I mean we have a skatecity five minutes from my house,
then there's one in Arvada,there's one in Littada, there's

(56:59):
one in littleton and aurora andcolorado springs, and then we
have a wagon wheel in umbrighton and roller city down
lakewood.
So between all of them everynight that's a lot of ranks,
yeah so.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
So what?
What's?
What's the distance of travelto?
Like most of these ranks, arethey all pretty central or is
one super?
I'd imagine colorado springshas got to be the furthest one
yeah, definitely the furthestone.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
For me, lakewood is about maybe a 30 minute drive,
arvada's 20 minutes umwestminster's five minutes.
For me, uh, brighton,brighton's like 10, 15 minutes.
So it's, it's, they're allrelatively close so it just
makes it nice.
And the cool thing is is becauseyou were talking about what you

(57:45):
do with the jam skating.
We have the adult night andthat ends at 11 30, but from 11
30 to 12 15, they have a thingcalled flow skate.
So we got people just learninghow to do like the different.
So and there's people that'llteach you.
The more advanced skaters willhelp younger, so it's just.

(58:06):
Everything that's developed fromskating is just amazing.
It's kind of like I can't.
I mean we got speed skatingprograms, we got rink hockey, we
got skate lessons, soeverything's there.
It's just you know what youwant to do, you figure out what
you want to do and you make ityour own and that's the nice
thing about I mean I was talkingto Chris about it the nice

(58:28):
thing about aggressive orartistic or jam skating there's
no limit to what you guys can do.
Like everything's open.
You can invent new stuff thathasn't been done before.
But, like with skating andstuff, like in hockey, we have
rules that we have to follow,but just the creative freedom

(58:48):
that you get doing differentforms of skating is amazing and
I don't know why more peopledon't go that route.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
Well, the thing I enjoy about it that you know I
obviously didn't get fromaggressive inline skating and
maybe kind of.
But when you learn a certainstyle of skating, like jam or
rhythm or J and B or JV skating,once you kind of get the
fundamentals down, you sort ofstart making it your own.

(59:20):
You know so, so you'll.
You'll start doing moves thatlike are.
It just becomes your own style.
Yeah and that's why I lovewatching skaters on tiktok and I
love the community of skatersthat exist there and just around
, because I think the thingeverybody understands is that

(59:41):
everybody has their own uniquestyle of skating exactly
everybody accepts you for thatit doesn't.
It doesn't matter if you're abeginner just learning how to do
it or if you're like one of thesuper advanced people that
everybody's watching kicking itaround the rank like everybody
is just out there doing it.
You, you know the only personwho's who's not like.

(01:00:01):
If you're the person that's notdoing it, then you know that's
your own problem.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Yeah, and it just it's funny how many people are
afraid to fall.
I'm like once you get thefalling down, you're good.
I mean the guy that taught mewhen I first started in line
skating he would actually knockme over while we were skating,
and we were skating in thestreet, we weren't even in a
rink.
So once I got past that fear offalling, I mean I still fall

(01:00:26):
now occasionally, but it's part.
I mean, when you learned how towalk, you fell, so yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
Oh yeah, so what?
So back in my aggressiveskating days before my roommate
and I did the movie, andprobably afterwards too, because
we still had the school year tofinish up, when we would go out
and like session around campus,you know like we were doing
everything that we could and wewould bail every night.

(01:00:54):
And so you know, we're 19-year,19 year olds, first time living
away from home.
We didn't really know anything,so we would always come back to
our dorm room with all the roadrash that we'd given ourselves
that night and we had, and weand because of course we didn't
know any better what our ritualwas we take rubbing alcohol to

(01:01:16):
the bathroom and we'd both likeget, get the bottles ready and
then we just dump it on our roadrash and just run around the
hall screaming until the painwent away I was gonna say epsom
salt, that was our go-to.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
We would we listers road rash poured in the bathtub
and soak.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
My mother hated that because I screamed pretty loud
sometimes, but but those werethe days.
It's because we didn't have.
We had one rink, yeah, that wewent to and that was in san
ramon.
So we would skate friday andsaturday night there, and even
sunday.
It got to a point where we wereskating four or five nights a
week at the rink, but then, likesaturday morning, we would get

(01:02:01):
up early, catch bart, go out tosan francisco, skate golden gate
park all day, come back, switchto our indoor wheels and then
go to the rink.
So like we would skate, youknow, 15 hours in a day, 16
hours in a day, as much skinnierback then.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
But I mean, I'd love to be able to skate five days a
week.
That'd be amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
It's, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
I'm getting back to it so well the issue here is
like what you're saying you havean adult skate every night.
Um, there, there's a lot ofrinks in my area, you know.
So my son and I've skated atleast three different rinks in
the area and a couple of themfairly regularly.
But because it's not as a highdemand business in Ohio, like in

(01:02:51):
in, you know, south centralOhio, you know you really have
to like find when the rink isgoing to be open okay so it's
not just open, because there'salways business, you know for,
for skating rinks like you have,you have to pick and choose
your sessions because they're,you know, they're sometimes too
and far between, which isunfortunate well, yeah, I mean I

(01:03:14):
think that would make it hardto build up the skating
community there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
if they're not open, are they at least open Friday
and Saturday nights?

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Yeah, well, as I say, all the rinks have like plenty
of sessions, ok, but you know,like on a night where, like my
son and I could go to adifferent rink, we can't go to
that rink because it's theiradult night.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
OK.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
So you know.
So it's kind of like all right,well, we will do this rink this
night and this rink this nightit's like, oh wait, we can't do
that rink because that session,you know, it's an adult night,
you can't go.
Blah, blah, blah.
There was a session at a localrink that started at, I want to
say, 1 o'clock in the morning.

(01:03:58):
Oh geez, like they had an adultskate and it might have been
from like 11 to 1.
I'm not sure.
I think it was like 11 to 1o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Do they not know we're old, we can't stay up that
late anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
It was hopping.
It was unreal Like this placewas jam-packed.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
You know, and it's always, it's always funny and I
know, I know, you know what I'mtalking about Like being having
what I feel like is a prettysolid skillset.
I still love walking into rinkswhere I'm like one of the
bottom skill level skaters atthe rink and I'm just looking
around like oh my God, yeah, ohmy God.
Like I'm just looking around,like oh, my God, yeah oh my God,

(01:04:36):
like, like when I, when my sonand I go to like our local rink
on our skate night, like he andI are usually like some of the
more experienced skaters there,but I love walking into a rink
where it's just like, wow, Isuck, like you guys are amazing,
like, amazing, like I'm goingto watch you guys like dang.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
But then it's cool because you can go up and talk
to them and they'll teach yousome stuff too and give you
advice.
Yeah, that's the nice thingabout skating.
Like next month we have a thingcalled mile high roland, which
is a giant, basically jam,rhythm skater, all that kind of
stuff.
So it's the big event.
I'm fortunate enough that I'llbe able to set up and do some
live streaming and all that kindof stuff.
So I'm excited enough that I'llbe able to set up and do some
live streaming and all that kindof stuff.
So I'm excited about that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
I get the media credentials so when's that event
going on?
4 20 easter weekend so, um, Iwas gonna say I'll keep an eye
out for it.
If you're gonna go live, I'llat least try to pop in, if i'm'm
usually just kicking it duringthe day, on the weekends.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
I'll pop into your live.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
I probably won't have it by then, but my goal for
maybe next year is actually geta drone so I can actually do
some filming with a drone andstuff get above Very nice.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
There's a lady that I follow on TikTok.
She's an artistic skater.
Her mom got her a drone forchristmas okay, that will track
you, and so she's posted a bunchof videos on her on her page
where she's taking the drone onlike a trail skate and set it up
to track her.
Um, okay, obviously, obviouslynot in the rink.

(01:06:14):
Yeah, even though Even though Iwould want, I would want to
take it into the rink, justbecause it's like, come on, like
what's the worst that canhappen, as long as they don't
have ceiling fans, you're good,yeah.
Yeah, it's like.
I mean I think you can programit like how high it can say it
needs to stay off the ground,but like it's cool yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Seeing the drone footage that she posts,
definitely send me her linkbecause I'd like to find out
what she's using.
So because I will, for sure,definitely.
So now we're getting to thefinal questions.
Who was your biggest influencefor skating?
Because I mean, you've gonethrough through stages of
skating.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
My biggest influence for skating through stages of
skating.
My biggest influence forskating, um, I mean when I was
an aggressive inline skaterdefinitely Chris Edwards and all
the dudes on team roller blade,like freaking amazing.
Um, I was never really much ofa skateboarder, so Tony Hawk was

(01:07:22):
never really someone that Ilooked up to for skate purposes.
Uh, and honestly, when I firststarted skating as a kid like I
didn't really have any buddythat I looked up to.
I just wanted to go fast, Ijust wanted to strap on my
skates, get out.
I was the kid that was alwaysgetting sat on the bench for
going too fast, that the rankguards would come up and they'd
like make you go sit out for alittle while because I'd be like

(01:07:42):
buzzing in and out of all theother skaters.
Um, so I'd always get sat out.
But honestly, like when Iprobably when I was an
aggressive inline skater, chrisedwards and the team rollerblade
guys were who I really lookedup to because they were the ones
that taught me how to skatevert ramp in the beginning.

(01:08:03):
You know they're the ones thatsort of like gave me that push
to take my skating to that nextlevel where you know I wouldn't
have otherwise.
Um, and I and I still to thisday, I, if I could build a 10
foot Masonite vert ramp in mybackyard and put it in a
building so that it doesn't needlike constant maintenance, I

(01:08:26):
would go, I would go back thereand I would skate that ramp
every day, cause the it's suchgreat exercise and it's just so
much fun.
It's so much fun, it's so muchfun and and unless you've like
skated vert ramp, you reallyhave no idea, like, when you see
people like going back andforth, and they're going back
and forth like by the fifth time, you go back and forth, like
you're worn out, like theseprofessionals that are just

(01:08:49):
doing some amazing stuff, likeat the x games and stuff, people
that haven't done it don'trealize that, like you know, you
drop in and you go back andforth, maybe like three or four
times, like by that fourth orfifth times, like your body is
worn out and it's just, it's somuch fun, it's such great
exercise.
Uh, as far as far as like otherlet's see roller skating I

(01:09:15):
think what motivated me to getquads was I broke down and got
TikTok, cause I was one of thosepeople that was like nah, I'm
not getting TikTok.
Nah, nah, no TikTok, no TikTok.
I know the feeling and yeah, I Ihad to be forced onto Facebook
also, like I didn't want to dosocial media, but they're like

(01:09:36):
you know, I had friends lived indifferent parts of the country,
like it's an easy way to stayin touch.
So I'm like, but tiktok, I waskind of like, all right,
everybody loves tiktok.
I want to see what the hype is.
So I just like set up apersonal account wasn't even
like you know anything, it wasjust for me to like watch videos
.
Yeah, and I remember push.
Do you know who I'm talkingabout?
I don't Older gentleman, I sayolder, but he's probably our age

(01:10:05):
P-U-S-H-E.
Okay, like he's a super smoothskater.
I remember seeing some of hisand this is just randomly, I
wasn't looking up skating videos, but look him up P-U-S-H-E.
And then Lacey Skates Okay,looking up skating videos, um,
but, but look him up p-u-s-h-e.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
And then, um, lacy skates, okay.
And then the griffin brothers.
The griffin brothers, I like.
I've been trying to get a holdof them, to get them on the show
.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
So so those three skate that well, those three
skaters, like channels, keptpopping onto my fyp and I'm like
man, like what they're doing onon roller skates is so cool,
looking like that, looks awesome, and and so that's what
motivated me to switch frominline skates back to quad

(01:10:50):
skates, because they were doingstuff on quads that there's no
way I could do on inline skates.
I mean, on inline skates youcan go fast.
You know, and I see a lot oflike really, you know, uh,
skilled skaters do like somesimilar moves on inline skates
that quad skaters are doing, butI wasn't going to be that
skilled, um, and so, you know,lacey skates push and the

(01:11:15):
Griffin brothers kept poppingonto my FYP for some reason and
I just was totally captivated bytheir skill.
And the Griffin brothers keptpopping onto my FYP for some
reason and I just was totallycaptivated by their skill and
the way that they were skatingand I was like I want to learn
that and you might, you'llunderstand this.
One of the things when I wasyounger and quad skating before
I switched to inlines, I hadpeople my age that were shuffle

(01:11:38):
skating, yeah, and I and Icouldn't do it Like I, I would
try.
I was like, how are you like,how are you doing that?
Like I can't, like I have noidea how to shuffle skate.
Like I can skate, I can crossover, you know I can kind of go
backwards, you know, but youguys are, you guys are jamming,
like you're jamming in sync andit looks so cool.
And I was so jealous of like allthe, all the guys my age that

(01:11:58):
were out there shuffle skatingand looking so cool.
So when I got back on my quadsand some of my earlier videos
like have videos showing this myfirst goal was to learn how to
shuffle skate.
That's all I wanted to do.
So when I got back on quads Iwas like I am going to master
shuffle skating and so that wasmy first goal back on quads was

(01:12:20):
to get down shuffle skating.
And I remember when I finallygot the rhythm down and I
finally like got the musclememory for it and I was like,
okay, like I felt accomplished.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Nice so now what advice you have towards up and
coming people that want toactually doesn't even have to be
younger skaters, it can beolder skaters, that people that
want to do stuff.
What, what's some advice youcan give them?

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
Uh, get skates as fast as you can get to the
closest rink that you can find.
If you don't have a rink closeto you, get on your skates and
go skate around yourneighborhood rink close to you.
Get on your skates and go skatearound your neighborhood.
Skate in your driveway, skatein your garage, you know
anywhere that you find like anice, smooth, uh, clean surface.

(01:13:05):
Obviously, like I see a lot ofskaters that'll go to like uh,
big picnic areas, like at parksand stuff that have big, you
know coverings over like reallynice concrete, you know uh
surfaces.
Um, just just get the skatesand start.
Because you're going to and yousaid for newer skaters, you

(01:13:26):
know, my advice would be foranybody our age, like, if you're
in, if you, if you've reachedyour middle age, that's the time
to start skating.
If you haven't, you've alwayswanted to, because what I and
this is coming from me as abartender, having seen people
like getting into the datingscene, you know, in their
forties and fifties, you're,you're going to find a community

(01:13:48):
of people that is going to beinstrumental in, you know, your
social life.
At an age where it's hard tofind people, yeah, like and I'm
not talking about it doesn'tnecessarily have to be people
like our same age either.
You're just going to be able togo to a rink and you'll have a
community of people there tohang out with, socialize with,

(01:14:08):
learn from, teach stuff to Imean anything anytime you think
about a community.
That's what skating is.
You know, and and honestly,with so much that's going on in
our world right now and not tomake it like any kind of caveat
here, like I wish the worldcould learn from the skate
communities that you and I havehad an opportunity to experience

(01:14:29):
, like over the course of ourlives and then like in our
recent lives yeah, because,because it's everybody you know,
every culture, every ethnicity,every age.
You know like every type ofperson is at the rink skating
and nobody cares, nobody isgetting bent out of shape
because that type of personskates or that type of person

(01:14:52):
skates Everybody's out theredoing it.
Yeah, you know, and you may andyou may not get along with some
people, and that's okay.
But you're going to find theskaters that you do get along
with and you're going to find acommunity that's.
That's kind of hard to find.
You know, when you get to acertain point in your life.
Exactly.
My advice would be to people ourage, like in their forties and
fifties, even sixties, getskates and get skating as soon

(01:15:15):
as you can.
And of course I'd have to say,like, risk, wear wrist guards.
Wear at least wrist guards.
Wear elbow pads.
Like I just recently startedwearing pads Cause I took a
couple of hard falls on my rightelbow and I was like man, like
at some point I'm just going tobreak my elbow, like, so, like
what's the point?
Like my rationale was when Iwould aggressive inline skate,

(01:15:38):
even back in my twenties, like Ihad the biggest, fattest knee
pads.
You could find elbow pads,wrist guards, I had hip pads.
I even wore shin guards when Iwas first starting to learn how
to ride, coping, you know, and ahelmet, you know, and that was
standard.
That was standard issueequipment for just getting on a
ramp.
And so it's like, if I'm like,why am I not using pads at the

(01:16:02):
rink?
Yeah, and it's just for thelook of it.
You know, some people justdon't necessarily want to look,
maybe they just don't want tolook silly, I don't know.
But that's one of the thingsI'm hoping to do, is I'm hoping
to be influential to otherskaters to start wearing at
least like wrist guards when yougo to the rink.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
Yeah, and we got people that show up on adult
skate that have knee pads, elbowpads, wrist guards and helmets.
Nobody makes fun of them.
They're there to skate, they'rethere to learn, they want to
protect themselves.
That's their choice and that'sgood for them.
So you're absolutely right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
Yeah, it's totally accepted.
That's what's great, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
I just don't know how people skate with the masks on
that one Just I need to breathe.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
I'm on your side.
I don't think I've that.
Thankfully I didn't.
I didn't well, not thankfully,but I didn't really go to the
rink much during COVID to needto wear a mask, um, and I think
the times that we might have itwasn't very busy.
But I'm with you like, likethat that's trying to trying to
get your blood.
You know what am I, what am Itrying to say?

(01:17:12):
Trying to get your heart rateup.
You know and and and use it andand do the exercise like.
You need to be able to breathefreely without a mask.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Exactly.
I mean, I hate wearing a maskat work, with all the dust and
everything when I have tosometimes, so that drives me
nuts, let alone skating anddoing exercise with it on that.
That makes it a lot moredifficult.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
So well I remember wearing masks in the restaurant
industry, you know, during 2020and for a short period of time
after and I think the one thingthat I liked the most about
wearing a mask is that ifsomebody made you angry, you
could literally turn around andjust out loud say whatever the
heck you want to say, andthey're not going to hear you.

(01:17:50):
I, I, I, I told people all thetime.
I was like, if you took my maskand held it up to your ear like
a conch shell, like the thingsthat you would hear that I've
said into that mask because ofpeople that have like upset me
and like frustrated the crap outof me, I was like, oh, oh, yeah
, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Yeah, it was a.
What was it?
Oh, I forgot what I was goingto say happens.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
But so we're wearing a mask with extra when
exercising.
I forgot what I was going tosay.
Happens Wearing a mask whenexercising.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
I think is tough.
Yeah, I mean I have a trainingmask which actually helps
restrict your breathing, so ithelps build up your cardio.
And then I have a little thingI don't know where it's at
Somewhere around here.
You just stick it in your mouthand it trains your breathing.
So I use that too and it's kindyou just stick it in your mouth
and it trains your breathing.
So I use that too and it's kindof like I actually brought it

(01:18:40):
to the roller rink the othernight and I was like had it in
my mouth and it's you can adjusthow much air gets through.
So I'm trying to build up mycardio.
But the funny thing is is beingin colorado.
Once I go somewhere else torace, my cardio is going to be a
lot better than everybodyelse's because of the high
altitude that I've been trainingin.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
So that is so true.
Yeah, people don't understandaltitude.
One of the areas that I climbedout in Colorado was down near
Pueblo and I think it was in theSangre de Cristos, but the
peaks were Crestone, needle andCrestone, and there are two 14
000 foot peaks we got a few ofthose out here, yeah, and I and

(01:19:23):
I had not been to elevationquite like that, even though I'd
been out to colorado so manytimes.
so it was an interestingexperience, like once you
finally hit 12 000 feet, thatyou're like, if you're're, if
you're not moving, you canbreathe normally, but the minute
, the minute you move, even justto walk, it's like like where's
all the air, like it's a wildexperience.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Yeah, I mean, even moving here it was an adjustment
to get used to the altitude fora little bit.
But like I said, going to Tahoe, Tahoe is actually a thousand
feet higher than Denver, so kindof has I had no idea idea.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
Yeah, it's like 6100 something feet, so it is higher
I had no idea, and that's in thevalley of tahoe yeah, I love it
there.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
Okay, um, yeah, tahoe is really cool, so now, how can
my followers follow you?

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
um, so my, my handle on tiktok is skate dad,
underscore x.
Uh, I think once you type inskate dad into the search bar,
I'm like one of the first two orthree that pops up like
underscore x.
Uh, my, my, my icon.
My picture icon is just apicture of me giving my boy a

(01:20:33):
kiss on his forehead when he wassuper, super little, like it's
one of my favorite pictures ofthe two of us, and my and my
skate channel is literally youknow about his and my skate
journey together.
He's shy when it comes to likeme posting videos of him.
I always ask him.
I was like let me, let me dosome videos of you, and he just
would prefer to be behind thecamera.
So 100% of my videos I'd saylike 99.8% of my videos my son

(01:21:01):
has filmed for my channel.
So he has, he has been the one,even you know like, even when
he was younger, he's been theone that has followed me around
the rank, you know, with the,with the phone.
So that's one of the.
That's one of the traditionsthat we have when we get to the
rank, we'll get to a point inthe night and I'll just be like
hey, do you mind filming for alittle bit so I can do some

(01:21:24):
videos.
There's always that point inthe night where he'll follow me
around the rink with my phonedoing a little bit of video.
It's fun to see because he getssuper proud of himself for
taking a good quality video.
He likes doing the videos.
I love being able to do thechannel because, even though
most of the videos I post are me, you know, and the things that

(01:21:45):
I'm learning and the things thatI'm trying to like get really
good at cause I just think itlooks cool it's always him
behind the camera.
That's one of the things thatmakes my channel special for me.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
You probably got a future filmmaker in the works
there we'll see.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
Hey, he's, he's 13, going on 14, and I've made it
very clear to him that that'sthe only thing he needs to be
worried about right now yeah, Iwas like do not worry about what
you want to be when you're anadult.
Just focus on being a 13 yearold, being a 14 year old.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
That's plenty, like that's good enough my youngest
is 13 also, so he wants to gointo horror and special effects.

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
So yes, heck, yes, hey.
If he, if he starts producinghis own video or his own like
horror movies, I will bite thebullet.
I will like, I will watch thosemovies to support his career.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
I told him I'm like you want to do makeup and
special effects, that's what youneed to do.
Your youtube channel on is yourjourney through going through
all that.
And I go and like that one kidthat tested toys they kept
sending them all the toys totest.
You're gonna get stuff and youmay even end up with a
scholarship to go to um filmschool.

Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
So I'm like start now , right, but yeah, that's that's
the one thing.
That that's the one thing thatI think.
Uh, you know, it's somethingthat I try to do, like you know,
like I'm not, like I'm not afull-time teacher, I'm just a
substitute teacher.
But I love being able to engagewith the students, you know,
because you, you can kind ofstart to see what you know.

(01:23:16):
Each individual student sort oflike has a passion for you know
, and having just even a smallopportunity to show interest in
something.
Like you know, I had a studentthe other day that had finished
all their work and they, theyasked me if they could knit.
Like, do you mind if I knit?
I'm like not at all.
Like, not go for it.
Like what?
And I'm like, show me whatyou're making.
Like I want to see what you'redoing.

(01:23:36):
Like, show me what you'reknitting.
Like I got to see this.
Like that's actually prettycool.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Yeah, that is cool, but you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
I mean encouraging kids to follow their passion and
taking advantage of what wehave available to us right now
in terms of social media to,like, document your process
through.
It just gives an extradimension to that journey,
exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Well, I appreciate you coming on the show today.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
Yeah, thanks, sean.
I appreciate you reaching out.
It's funny.
Like anytime someone reachesout on TikTok it's kind of like
well, I don't know, like what'sgoing on.
Like, uh, maybe yeah, maybe no,but I had a great time.
So thanks for asking me to comeon your podcast.
Well, thank you, thank you.

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