Pastors Malcolm Foley and Chris Davis join Caleb Campbell for a rich, energizing conversation on preaching the book of Revelation, confronting fear-mongering, and re-centering the church around the person and power of Jesus. Drawing from their pastoral experiences in multicultural congregations and their books (The Anti-Greed Gospel and Bright Hope for Tomorrow), Malcolm and Chris dismantle end-times sensationalism and instead offer a theologically grounded, Spirit-led vision of Christ’s return as fuel for endurance, justice, and joy. They explore how Revelation comforts the suffering, exposes the corrupting power of empire, and calls the church to the way of the Lamb in the face of roaring beasts. The result is both pastoral and prophetic—offering courage to weary leaders and clarity to confused congregations.
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About MalcolmPastor Malcolm Foley is a theologian, pastor, and author committed to leading the church into deeper faithfulness at the intersection of justice, discipleship, and gospel hope. He serves as co-pastor of Mosaic Waco, a vibrant, intentionally multicultural church in Waco, Texas, where he helps cultivate a community shaped by the Spirit and centered on Jesus. Malcolm is the author of The Anti-Greed Gospel: Why the Love of Money Is the Root of Racism and How the Church Can Create a New Way Forward, in which he calls the church to reject mammon and embody the liberating kingdom of God. With a Ph.D. in theology and a heart for pastoral care, Malcolm brings both academic rigor and prophetic compassion to his preaching, writing, and leadership.About ChrisPastor Chris Davis is a seasoned pastor, writer, and theological guide with a heart for leading God’s people through hope, hardship, and cultural complexity. He serves as the lead pastor of Groveton Baptist Church in Alexandria, Virginia. With deep roots in pastoral ministry and a passion for multiethnic community, Chris shepherds with both conviction and tenderness. He is the author of Bright Hope for Tomorrow: How Anticipating Jesus’ Return Gives Strength for Today, a book that reclaims the doctrine of Christ’s return as fuel for endurance, purity, and joy rather than fear and speculation.
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