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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Welcome to the Kingdom Corner podcast.
SPEAKER_00 (00:02):
Great to be here.
SPEAKER_01 (00:02):
Today, we're diving deep into, well, a really
important idea, something drawnfrom our source material.
It's this understanding that,you know, within the group of
people who identify asChristian, there's maybe a
crucial distinction to be madeabout genuine salvation.
SPEAKER_00 (00:19):
Yeah, it's definitely a weighty topic and
one that our source approacheswith, I'd say, significant care.
It's really not about castingjudgment on individuals.
No.
It's more about understandingthese vital distinctions that
are presented within Christianteachings themselves.
SPEAKER_01 (00:36):
Exactly.
So our aim in this deep dive, itisn't to evaluate anyone's
personal faith journey.
SPEAKER_00 (00:42):
Not at all.
SPEAKER_01 (00:42):
But really to explore the framework that's
laid out in this material.
We want to really get a grasp onwhat the source defines as the
difference between, say, justprofessing faith outwardly...
SPEAKER_00 (00:52):
And actually experiencing that true
transformative salvation.
SPEAKER_01 (00:57):
We're going to unpack what the source
identifies as, like the keymarkers of that authentic faith.
SPEAKER_00 (01:02):
And it's so important as we get into this to
just maintain a spirit of...
learning and openness to whatthe source is actually
presenting.
Absolutely.
It frames this wholeunderstanding as having, well,
profound and really lastingimplications.
SPEAKER_01 (01:17):
Okay.
So let's get into it then.
The source starts by tacklingwhat it calls the problem of
mass deception.
SPEAKER_00 (01:25):
Powerful phrase.
SPEAKER_01 (01:26):
It is.
And the source makes a prettystriking claim right off the
bat.
This deception isn't some likeexternal force attacking the
church.
SPEAKER_00 (01:35):
No, it's saying it's happening within its own walls.
SPEAKER_01 (01:37):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (01:38):
Within.
That's a key point the sourcereally emphasizes.
It speaks to this potentiallywidespread situation where, you
know, many people identify withthe Christian faith outwardly,
but maybe haven't experiencedthat fundamental inner
transformation that the sourcesees as, well, essential for
true salvation.
Right.
It highlights the potentialtragedy of multitudes who call
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themselves Christian, butwithout that corresponding
change in their heart.
SPEAKER_01 (02:03):
Right.
The source gives examples, too,of these outward expressions
that can sometimes maybe bemistaken for true salvation.
SPEAKER_00 (02:11):
Like what?
SPEAKER_01 (02:12):
Things like just adopting the label Christian or,
you know, participating inreligious rituals or even just
reciting a prayer at some point.
OK.
But the source argues that theseactions, you know, in and of
themselves, they don'tautomatically signify that a
person has been genuinely saved.
SPEAKER_00 (02:29):
Right.
It's saying the real change,according to this perspective,
has Precisely.
SPEAKER_01 (02:35):
And to really underscore this, the source
points us straight to Jesus' ownwords.
Matthew 7.21.
SPEAKER_00 (02:41):
Ah, yes.
A central warning, really.
SPEAKER_01 (02:44):
It is.
The verse is pretty direct.
Not everyone who says to me,Lord, Lord, will enter the
kingdom of heaven.
So how does the source unpackthat?
SPEAKER_00 (02:53):
What's the significance?
SPEAKER_01 (03:19):
John 3, verse 3.
And the source really seems toemphasize this as like a
non-negotiable aspect of truesalvation.
SPEAKER_00 (03:29):
It absolutely does.
The source basically posits thatmere outward profession of
faith, even if it's accompaniedby sincere religious activities
or deeply felt emotions, itstill falls short of true
salvation without this innertransformation, the one brought
about by the Holy Spirit.
SPEAKER_01 (03:47):
So it's not just adding things to your religious
resume.
SPEAKER_00 (03:49):
Exactly.
It's about a fundamentalspiritual rebirth.
So
SPEAKER_01 (03:53):
when the source talks about being born again,
what exactly does that mean?
It sounds like it's notsomething we can just decide to
do ourselves.
SPEAKER_00 (04:01):
Right.
It's about God imparting newspiritual life to someone who
is, well, spiritually dead intheir sin.
SPEAKER_01 (04:19):
So it's not about joining a group or following
rules.
SPEAKER_00 (04:22):
No, not fundamentally.
It's a work of God in the innerbeing.
SPEAKER_01 (04:25):
And the source uses John 1.12.13 to back this up,
right?
SPEAKER_00 (04:30):
It does.
SPEAKER_01 (04:31):
What's the key takeaway from that passage for
this discussion?
SPEAKER_00 (04:34):
Well, that passage says that those who become
children of God are born not ofblood, nor of the flesh, nor of
the will of man, but of Hmm.
Yeah, it's baptism.
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While they might be importantexpressions of faith for someone
who is a believer, they cannot,on their own, produce this
essential new birth.
SPEAKER_01 (05:06):
Only God can do that.
SPEAKER_00 (05:07):
That's the source's point.
It's something only God can do.
SPEAKER_01 (05:10):
It makes a really important point about past
decisions too, doesn't it?
Well...
Like many people might point toa specific moment, maybe growing
up in a Christian home or sayinga specific prayer once or, you
know, walking down an aisle atchurch.
SPEAKER_00 (05:21):
Yeah, a decision point.
SPEAKER_01 (05:23):
Exactly.
As the definitive moment oftheir salvation.
How does the source handle that?
SPEAKER_00 (05:29):
The source acknowledges those moments can
be significant, definitely partof someone's spiritual journey.
Okay.
However, it cautions againstautomatically equating a past
decision or experience withbeing truly born again.
SPEAKER_01 (05:43):
Ah, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (05:44):
The crucial question the source keeps posing is, has
God actually changed your heart?
And then it points us to Titus3.5.
That verse emphasizes salvationisn't based on works of
righteousness, which we havedone, but according to his
mercy, he saved us by thewashing of regeneration and
renewal of the Holy Spirit.
SPEAKER_01 (06:03):
Those are God's mercy, God's work through the
Spirit.
SPEAKER_00 (06:06):
Exactly.
It highlights that salvation isrooted in God's grace and the
Spirit's work, not our ownefforts or even specific past
actions.
SPEAKER_01 (06:13):
Okay, so this This idea of regeneration, that seems
to be right at the very heart ofthe source's understanding here.
SPEAKER_00 (06:20):
It really is.
SPEAKER_01 (06:20):
How does it define or describe that process?
SPEAKER_00 (06:23):
The source describes regeneration as a supernatural
work of God, something thatbrings about a fundamental
transformation within a person.
SPEAKER_01 (06:31):
Not just surface level.
SPEAKER_00 (06:33):
No, not just a superficial adjustment.
It's a deep renewal thatproduces a new nature, a new
heart, and consequently a newdirection in life.
Wow.
It's a profound internal changeinitiated and carried out by
God.
SPEAKER_01 (06:48):
Okay.
So having laid that foundation,the source then shifts gears a
bit, talks about the evidencesof not being born again.
SPEAKER_00 (06:54):
Right.
What are the signs that thistransformation maybe hasn't
happened?
SPEAKER_01 (06:58):
Exactly.
What are some of the keyindicators the source
SPEAKER_00 (07:01):
points to?
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no real desire to grow inunderstanding it.
I see.
They might even have a strongintellectual glass of Christian
doctrine, but there's nopersonal heartfelt love for
Christ that actually transformstheir actions and desires.
SPEAKER_01 (07:37):
And the source brings in 2 Timothy 3.5 here,
doesn't
SPEAKER_00 (07:40):
it?
It does.
How does that verse fit?
SPEAKER_01 (07:42):
Well, that verse talks about people having a form
of godliness, but denying thepower thereof.
SPEAKER_00 (07:49):
Ah, yes.
The form without the substance.
SPEAKER_01 (07:52):
Precisely.
The source emphasizes thatsimply going through the outward
motions of religious practicewithout that corresponding inner
transformation and theempowering presence of the Holy
Spirit.
SPEAKER_00 (08:04):
It's not real.
SPEAKER_01 (08:05):
It's ultimately a delusion, according to the
source.
True conversion, the sourceasserts, is shown by conviction
of sin.
SPEAKER_00 (08:12):
Okay, so really seeing your sin before God.
SPEAKER_01 (08:14):
Yeah, and then repentance actually turning away
from that sin.
Faith in Christ, a wholeheartedtrust in his saving work, and
finally a growing desire to obeyGod Okay, but
SPEAKER_00 (08:26):
it's important to clarify what the source means by
that growing desire to obey God.
It's not suggesting genuinebelievers suddenly become
perfect, right?
They still struggle.
SPEAKER_01 (08:35):
Exactly.
The source definitelyacknowledges that believers will
continue to grapple with sin inthis life.
SPEAKER_00 (08:41):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (08:42):
However, it emphasizes there should be a
decisive break from the patternof their former life.
SPEAKER_00 (08:47):
A new direction.
SPEAKER_01 (08:48):
Yes, and a genuine desire to walk in newness of
life.
Reflecting
SPEAKER_00 (09:00):
a heart that's changing.
SPEAKER_01 (09:01):
Reflecting a heart that is increasingly aligned
with God's will.
That's the idea.
SPEAKER_00 (09:05):
And the source also mentions the fruit of the
indwelling spirit as anothercrucial piece of evidence.
SPEAKER_01 (09:11):
Ah, yes.
Galatians 5.
SPEAKER_00 (09:13):
Right.
What does that look like,according to this perspective?
SPEAKER_01 (09:17):
Well, these are those characteristics Paul lists
out.
Love, joy, peace, patience,kindness, The fruit
SPEAKER_00 (09:27):
of the Spirit.
SPEAKER_01 (09:28):
Exactly.
And the source doesn't presentthese as like optional extras
for super Christians.
SPEAKER_00 (09:33):
No.
SPEAKER_01 (09:34):
No, but as the natural outgrowths of a life
that's indwelt and empowered bythe Holy Spirit.
SPEAKER_00 (09:38):
Makes sense.
SPEAKER_01 (09:39):
It also loops back to Jesus's words in Matthew
7.16.
you will recognize them by theirfruits.
SPEAKER_00 (09:46):
Ah, the fruit test again.
SPEAKER_01 (09:47):
Right.
Stressing that the true natureof a believer is revealed not
just by what they say, but bythat tangible transformation in
their character and theirconduct.
SPEAKER_00 (09:56):
This is certainly a challenging perspective.
Important, but challenging.
SPEAKER_01 (10:00):
It is.
Now, the source then kind ofshifts its focus a bit to what
it calls the drift of modernChristianity.
SPEAKER_00 (10:06):
Okay.
What are the main concernsthere?
SPEAKER_01 (10:09):
Well, the source expresses a deep concern.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (10:30):
Feelings over truth.
SPEAKER_01 (10:31):
And maybe emphasizing entertainment and
superficial engagement over adeep transformative encounter
with God's word.
SPEAKER_00 (10:39):
Hmm.
It specifically mentionschurches that might focus
heavily on emotionalexperiences.
SPEAKER_01 (10:44):
Yeah.
Or motivational messages thatmaybe lack theological depth.
SPEAKER_00 (10:49):
Right.
Feel good messages.
SPEAKER_01 (10:51):
And even like theatrical or entertainment
driven productions as part oftheir services.
SPEAKER_00 (10:56):
Okay.
So what's the underlying issuewith that approach from the
source's viewpoint?
SPEAKER_01 (11:00):
Fragile
SPEAKER_00 (11:06):
how?
SPEAKER_01 (11:09):
It brings up Romans 10.1t.
Faith comes by hearing.
So
SPEAKER_00 (11:23):
genuine faith is a response to God's revealed
truth.
SPEAKER_01 (11:27):
Not just an emotional reaction.
SPEAKER_00 (11:28):
Not merely an emotional response to a
particular atmosphere ormessage.
SPEAKER_01 (11:32):
Got it.
So relying too heavily on thoseemotional highs in our spiritual
lives, that can actually bedetrimental, according to the
source.
SPEAKER_00 (11:39):
Exactly.
The source cautions against thedanger of equating intense
emotional experiences withgenuine spiritual closeness to
God.
Right.
And conversely, of interpretinga lack of strong feelings as
some kind of spiritual failure.
SPEAKER_01 (11:50):
Which happens, right?
SPEAKER_00 (11:51):
Oh, absolutely.
It points to examples inscripture like Habakkuk 3.17-18.
What's the
SPEAKER_01 (11:58):
point there?
SPEAKER_00 (11:58):
Well, the prophet expresses profound joy and trust
in God, even in the face of aThis illustrates an authentic
faith, one that endures beyondthe ebb and flow of emotions.
SPEAKER_01 (12:12):
The source also seems pretty critical of a trend
where maybe biblical truth takesa backseat to entertainment or,
you know, more palatablemessages in some churches.
SPEAKER_00 (12:20):
Yeah.
How does it describe that shift?
SPEAKER_01 (12:22):
It describes a scenario where perhaps sermons
might be shortened or softened.
SPEAKER_00 (12:27):
To be more engaging or less offensive.
SPEAKER_01 (12:29):
Right.
And where the focus of worshipcan sometimes shift towards
providing Instead
SPEAKER_00 (12:35):
of primarily glorifying God and edifying
believers through sounddoctrine?
SPEAKER_01 (12:41):
But will
SPEAKER_00 (12:47):
gather teachers who tell them what their itching
ears want to hear.
SPEAKER_01 (12:50):
Yeah.
So what are the potentialconsequences of this shift,
prioritizing entertainment andemotionalism over solid biblical
teaching?
SPEAKER_00 (12:58):
Well, the source argues it can lead to a shallow
Christianity.
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anchored in really understandingand applying God's word.
SPEAKER_01 (13:31):
So what's the corrective then?
What does the source propose?
What should the focus be?
SPEAKER_00 (13:36):
The source really advocates for a return to the
sufficiency of scripture.
Like Hebrews 4.12 says the wordof God is living and active.
SPEAKER_01 (13:44):
It doesn't need propping up.
SPEAKER_00 (13:45):
Exactly.
It emphasizes the Bible doesn'tneed to be diluted or
sensationalized or supplementedwith tons of entertainment.
SPEAKER_01 (13:52):
So the call is?
SPEAKER_00 (13:53):
The call is to preach and teach the truth of
God's word faithfully, even whenit's challenging Okay.
It really
SPEAKER_01 (14:09):
drives home the idea that true faith is about
something much more profound,more enduring than just
feelings,
SPEAKER_00 (14:15):
doesn't it?
Absolutely.
A commitment.
Right.
Okay, we're going to take
SPEAKER_01 (14:46):
just a quick pause here.
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We'll be right back to digdeeper into our source material.
We're now turning our attentionto the concept of the narrow
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road.
SPEAKER_00 (15:07):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (15:07):
This is from Matthew 7.1314.
SPEAKER_00 (15:09):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (15:10):
And it seems the source has some pretty strong
concerns about how this isunderstood and followed today.
SPEAKER_00 (15:15):
Yes.
It quotes Jesus's powerful wordsdirectly.
Wow.
Yeah.
And the source says,
SPEAKER_01 (15:33):
Well, it demands self-denial,
SPEAKER_00 (15:57):
a willingness to put God's will above our own
desires.
Holiness, striving to live in away that praises God,
self-denial, Right.
So it involves
SPEAKER_01 (16:18):
turning away from sin daily.
SPEAKER_00 (16:21):
Yeah.
What Scripture calls crucifyingthe flesh and living with a
reverent fear of the Lord.
It's not an easy path.
SPEAKER_01 (16:27):
And the source observes that these core
aspects—self-denial, holiness,obedience— They're often
downplayed or even rejected inmany modern Christian circles.
SPEAKER_00 (16:37):
Why is that, do you think, according to the source?
SPEAKER_01 (16:39):
Well, they're sometimes dismissed as being too
rigid or legalistic, maybeoutdated or just too harsh for
today.
SPEAKER_00 (16:46):
Right.
Unpopular concepts.
SPEAKER_01 (16:48):
Instead, the source identifies this tendency to
gravitate towards a more dilutedversion of the gospel.
SPEAKER_00 (16:54):
One that doesn't confront sin directly.
SPEAKER_01 (16:56):
Exactly.
And one that tries to blend inwith the prevailing values and
norms of the culture, maybe toseem more relevant.
It even
SPEAKER_00 (17:05):
brings up the danger of what it calls cultural
Christianity, doesn't it?
SPEAKER_01 (17:08):
It does.
What are the risks there?
SPEAKER_00 (17:10):
Well, the source cautions against the church just
uncritically adopting thelanguage, the values, the
ideologies of secular culture totry and appear more appealing or
accessible.
It points us to James 4.4,friendship with the world means
hostility toward God.
SPEAKER_01 (17:27):
Strong words.
SPEAKER_00 (17:28):
Very.
The underlying message is thatwhen the church starts looking
more like the world than likeChrist, it risks losing its
distinctiveness, its propheticvoice, and ultimately its
effectiveness in pointing peopleto true life.
SPEAKER_01 (17:42):
And it seems like the pursuit of personal comfort
has also become a big factor inthis shift away from the narrow
road.
SPEAKER_00 (17:48):
How does the source address that?
SPEAKER_01 (17:50):
The source identifies the pursuit of
comfort and personal ease assomething that can subtly become
an idol.
SPEAKER_00 (17:55):
An idol.
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (17:56):
Yeah.
And believers That getsminimized.
Often minimized or even avoided.
Yeah.
The gospel, in somepresentations, can get reduced
to something that mostly offerspersonal benefit and emotional
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comfort.
SPEAKER_00 (18:19):
Rather than a radical call to transformation
and self-denial.
SPEAKER_01 (18:22):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (18:23):
So what are the ultimate consequences, in the
source's view, of straying fromthis narrow road that leads to
life?
SPEAKER_01 (18:30):
Well, it leads to what Paul described as a form of
godliness without power.
SPEAKER_00 (18:34):
2 Timothy 3.5 again.
SPEAKER_01 (18:36):
Right.
An outward appearance ofreligiosity that lacks the inner
reality, the transformativepower of the Holy Spirit.
Okay.
It results in people who mighthonor God with their lips, but
their hearts are far from him,like Isaiah said.
And it can lead to churchesfocusing on maybe entertaining
people who aren't genuinelyseeking God.
SPEAKER_00 (18:52):
Instead of deeply feeding and nurturing true
disciples, like entertaininggoats instead of feeding sheep,
as the source puts it.
SPEAKER_01 (18:59):
Yeah, that's the phrase.
The source reiterates thatsobering truth.
So true discipleship
SPEAKER_00 (19:13):
is a call to embrace the narrow, often challenging
road.
SPEAKER_01 (19:17):
That's the source's conclusion.
The one that leads to eternallife.
SPEAKER_00 (19:21):
Wow.
Okay.
This brings us to the absolutelyfoundational importance of
biblical repentance andsubmission to Christ's lordship.
The source makes a strong casethat these are often missing or
maybe misunderstood elements ina lot of modern faith.
SPEAKER_01 (19:36):
That's absolutely right.
The source emphasizes thatgenuine salvation isn't just
intellectually agreeing to somedoctrines or having a particular
emotional experience.
SPEAKER_00 (19:45):
It requires more.
SPEAKER_01 (19:46):
It necessitates a fundamental turning away from
sin in all its forms and acomplete wholehearted surrender
to the authority and rule ofJesus Christ in every area of
our lives.
SPEAKER_00 (19:55):
Okay, so how does the source specifically define
biblical repentance?
What does that really involve?
SPEAKER_01 (20:00):
The source describes it as a radical change of mind.
SPEAKER_00 (20:03):
A change of mind.
SPEAKER_01 (20:04):
Yes, a profound shift in how we understand sin,
ourselves, and God.
And that inevitably results in acorresponding change of
direction in our lives.
SPEAKER_00 (20:14):
So it's more than just feeling sorry.
SPEAKER_01 (20:16):
Much more.
It's more than expressingremorse.
It involves a conscious changeThe source points
SPEAKER_00 (20:28):
to some powerful examples of this kind of
repentance being preached in theNew Testament, right?
SPEAKER_01 (20:33):
It does.
It highlights John the Baptist'sinitial call to repentance.
SPEAKER_00 (20:36):
Preparing the way.
SPEAKER_01 (20:37):
Yeah.
And Jesus' own message.
Matthew 4.17.
Right.
And Peter's call on Pentecost.
Repent and be baptized.
SPEAKER_00 (20:47):
Acts 2.38.
SPEAKER_01 (20:49):
And Paul's summary of his preaching as urging
people everywhere to repent andturn to God and prove their
repentance by their deeds.
SPEAKER_00 (20:55):
Acts 26.20.
So these examples reallyunderscore that repentance isn't
just a one-time thing.
SPEAKER_01 (21:01):
No.
SPEAKER_00 (21:01):
It's an ongoing posture of the heart that shows
up in actual changes inbehavior.
SPEAKER_01 (21:06):
So why does the source believe that biblical
repentance is so Well.
infrequently preached orgenuinely practiced in many
churches today.
What's going on there?
SPEAKER_00 (21:16):
Well, part of the issue, according to the source,
stems from a misunderstanding ormaybe even a downplaying of the
true nature of God's grace.
SPEAKER_01 (21:24):
How so?
Misunderstanding grace?
SPEAKER_00 (21:26):
It suggests that some have mistakenly come to
believe that grace somehowexcuses sin or allows us to keep
living in disobedience withoutconsequence, rather than
recognizing that God's graceactually empowers us to live
holy and transformed lives.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (21:42):
It enables obedience.
SPEAKER_00 (21:43):
Exactly.
The source reminds us of Titus2.11.12, which teaches that
God's grace trains us torenounce ungodliness and worldly
passions and to liveself-controlled, upright, godly
lives.
SPEAKER_01 (21:54):
The grace isn't a license to sin.
SPEAKER_00 (21:56):
Not at all.
And the source is quite firmhere.
It asserts that where there isno genuine repentance, there is
no true salvation, only a formof religious pretense.
SPEAKER_01 (22:04):
Wow.
Okay.
And the other crucial element issubmission to Christ's lordship.
SPEAKER_00 (22:08):
Yes.
How does the source feel that SoJesus
SPEAKER_01 (22:13):
as Savior,
SPEAKER_00 (22:22):
but maybe not so much as Lord?
SPEAKER_01 (22:24):
That's the idea.
Jesus might be readily acceptedas a Savior who offers
forgiveness and personalbenefits, but he's not.
He's often not presented as theabsolute Lord who demands
complete allegiance andobedience in every part of our
lives.
The source points to Romans10.9, emphasizing the confession
that Jesus is Lord.
SPEAKER_00 (22:44):
And that's not just words.
SPEAKER_01 (22:46):
No.
The source argues thisconfession isn't merely verbal
acknowledgement.
It's a profound recognition ofChrist's supreme authority over
our entire being, leading topractical obedience and a life
lived under his rule.
SPEAKER_00 (22:58):
It seems the source is critical of a tendency within
modern Christianity to kind ofcater to human desires and
preferences rather thanupholding God's commands and
standards.
SPEAKER_01 (23:08):
Absolutely.
It describes a contemporaryChristian landscape where
there's often a strong emphasison being comfortable,
non-confrontational.
SPEAKER_00 (23:15):
Avoiding Right.
SPEAKER_01 (23:16):
Avoiding anything that might challenge people's
chosen lifestyles or make themfeel uncomfortable.
SPEAKER_00 (23:22):
Which is pretty different from Jesus'
SPEAKER_01 (23:24):
call.
Completely different from Jesus'call to deny himself and take up
his cross daily and follow me,Luke 9.23.
That call inherently involvessacrifice, commitment, a
willingness to go against thegrain.
SPEAKER_00 (23:38):
So what are the ultimate consequences, in the
source's view, of this absence?
No genuine repentance, nowholehearted submission to
Christ's lordship.
SPEAKER_01 (23:46):
The source concludes that without these foundational
pillars, the church ultimatelyloses its true spiritual power,
its moral purity, its verypurpose in the world.
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (23:56):
So what's left?
SPEAKER_01 (23:58):
What remains is often a superficial, ineffective
form of religion.
It might look impressive on theoutside, but it lacks the
genuine life-transforming powerof the Holy Spirit within.
SPEAKER_00 (24:08):
So the solution is?
SPEAKER_01 (24:09):
The source firmly believes that true spiritual
revival, authentic salvation,will only come when the church
returns to the uncompromisedbiblical call to repentance and
bows in complete submission toChrist's sovereign rule in
everything it teaches and does.
SPEAKER_00 (24:23):
Okay.
Finally, the source really digsinto Jesus' sobering warning in
Matthew 7.21-23.
SPEAKER_01 (24:32):
Yes, this feels like a really pivotal passage.
It brings together so many ofthese themes we've been
discussing.
SPEAKER_00 (24:37):
It really does.
The source quats the wholething.
Not everyone who says to me,Lord, Lord, will enter the
kingdom of heaven, but only theone who does the will of my
Father who is in heaven.
Many will say to me on that day,Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy
in your name and drive outdemons in your name and perform
many miracles in your name?
SPEAKER_01 (24:55):
Powerful stuff they claim to have done.
SPEAKER_00 (24:56):
Absolutely.
Then I will tell them plainly, Inever knew you.
Depart from me, you workers oflawlessness.
SPEAKER_01 (25:02):
Oof, I never knew you.
What strikes you as the mostsignificant aspect of that
warning, based on the source'sanalysis?
SPEAKER_00 (25:09):
I think the most striking element is just the
stark, unsettling revelationthat simply calling Jesus Lord,
even if it sounds reallysincere, and even engaging in
outwardly impressive spiritualactivities and ministry are
absolutely no guarantee ofsalvation.
SPEAKER_01 (25:24):
He's talking to people who thought they were in.
SPEAKER_00 (25:26):
Exactly.
Jesus is speaking directly topeople who genuinely believe
they were saved.
People who were activelyinvolved in what they thought
was serving him.
SPEAKER_01 (25:35):
It really hammers home that outward actions and
words alone They're not theultimate measure of true faith,
are they?
SPEAKER_00 (25:42):
Precisely.
The source emphasizes thecrucial issue isn't what these
individuals claim to believe oreven what they did in Jesus'
name.
SPEAKER_01 (25:51):
But what?
SPEAKER_00 (25:52):
But the condition of their hearts, whether they had
truly been regenerated by theHoly Spirit and were actually
living in genuine submission toGod's will.
SPEAKER_01 (26:00):
That repetition of Lord, Lord suggests they were
earnest,
SPEAKER_00 (26:03):
right?
It does.
It suggests earnestness, maybeeven desperation.
Yet Jesus unequivocally rejectstheir claim.
Why?
Because their lives weren'tcharacterized by obedience to
the Father.
SPEAKER_01 (26:12):
And what does it truly mean then to do the will
of the Father in this criticalcontext?
SPEAKER_00 (26:17):
According to the source, it means producing fruit
in your life that's consistentwith genuine salvation.
Like?
And those workers of
SPEAKER_01 (26:33):
lawlessness.
SPEAKER_00 (26:34):
That phrase exposes the fundamental problem.
Their outward religious activitywas ultimately just a facade.
It masked hearts that wereactually in rebellion against
God's commands and his righteousstandards.
SPEAKER_01 (26:47):
The source clearly sees this as a profound and,
uh...
Very relevant warning forcontemporary Christianity, too.
SPEAKER_00 (26:54):
Absolutely.
How does it apply today?
SPEAKER_01 (26:56):
Well, the source views this passage as a direct,
sobering challenge to anypresentation of the gospel that
might assure people of salvationwithout also demanding genuine
repentance and a radicaltransformation of their lives.
SPEAKER_00 (27:10):
Goes back to that transformation point.
SPEAKER_01 (27:11):
It does.
It reiterates the fundamentaltruth.
Salvation isn't just asuperficial transaction or a
verbal agreement.
It's a deep, comprehensivetransformation of the inner
being that inevitably shows upin outward change.
SPEAKER_00 (27:23):
And without that inner new life from the spirit.
SPEAKER_01 (27:26):
There's no real saving faith, regardless of how
much outward religious activitythere is.
SPEAKER_00 (27:30):
And it's crucial that this warning is
specifically for those withinthe church, right?
Not just outsiders.
SPEAKER_01 (27:34):
Exactly.
That's a powerful point.
It serves as a potent call forintrospection, for
self-examination, for all whoprofess to follow Christ.
SPEAKER_00 (27:42):
Like Paul said, examine yourselves.
SPEAKER_01 (27:44):
Right.
2 Corinthians 13.5.
Examine yourselves to seewhether you are truly in the
faith.
The inherent danger, the sourcestresses, is the possibility of
being profoundly deceived.
SPEAKER_00 (27:55):
Deceived into thinking
SPEAKER_01 (27:55):
Into thinking that our religious works, our church
attendance, our verbalaffirmations can somehow
substitute for a truly repentantheart and genuine faith that
produces a transformed life.
SPEAKER_00 (28:08):
So ultimately, what does Jesus desire?
SPEAKER_01 (28:10):
Ultimately, the source emphasizes, Jesus desires
heartfelt obedience that flowsfrom a deep love for him, a
living faith that consistentlybears the fruit of the Spirit.
SPEAKER_00 (28:19):
Which leaves us with those crucial questions.
SPEAKER_01 (28:21):
Exactly.
The crucial questions it leavesus, the listener, you, with are,
Have I truly been born again?
Does my life genuinely andincreasingly reflect the fruit
of repentance and sinceresubmission to Christ's Lordship?
Am I actively growing inholiness, becoming more like
him?
SPEAKER_00 (28:37):
Heavy questions.
Important questions.
SPEAKER_01 (28:39):
Very.
Finally, the source tells us,The importance of visible
transformation.
Drawing insights from the booksof James and 1 John.
SPEAKER_00 (28:46):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (28:47):
It argues that just a verbal confession of faith
alone isn't the completeevidence of genuine salvation.
SPEAKER_00 (28:54):
Right.
While acknowledging Romans 10.9,confessing Jesus as Lord is
important, the sourceunderscores that genuine
salvation will always beaccompanied by a demonstrable
transformation in a person'slife.
SPEAKER_01 (29:06):
Changed heart, changed life.
SPEAKER_00 (29:08):
Exactly.
A changed heart inevitably leadsto changed behaviors and
attitudes.
It points to 2 Corinthians 5.17.
Therefore, if anyone is in Andthis isn't
SPEAKER_01 (29:20):
about earning salvation through works.
Yeah.
Not legalism.
SPEAKER_00 (29:24):
No, the source is clear about that.
This isn't legalism or trying toearn God's favor through
external actions.
SPEAKER_01 (29:29):
What is it then?
SPEAKER_00 (29:30):
Rather, it's the natural, organic result of a
genuine God-given new nature.
When God regenerates a heart, heimparts new desires, a new
direction.
He replaces a life oncedominated by sin with a growing
pursuit of holiness, a deepeninglove for his word and increasing
hatred for sin, a genuine hungerfor righteousness.
SPEAKER_01 (29:52):
All through the Spirit's power.
SPEAKER_00 (29:54):
All through the supernatural enabling of the
Holy Spirit.
SPEAKER_01 (29:57):
The source also brings in those practical tests
for genuine salvation from 1John, doesn't it?
SPEAKER_00 (30:01):
It does.
What are some of those keyindicators?
SPEAKER_01 (30:04):
Well, particularly 1 John 2.4.
Whoever says, I know him, butdoes not keep his commands, is a
liar, and the truth is not inhim.
SPEAKER_00 (30:13):
Pretty blunt.
SPEAKER_01 (30:14):
Very.
But the Okay, important
SPEAKER_00 (30:19):
clarification.
SPEAKER_01 (30:20):
There'll be
SPEAKER_00 (30:26):
a sensitivity.
SPEAKER_01 (30:27):
And...
SPEAKER_00 (30:40):
The book of James strongly reinforces this
connection too, right?
Faith and action.
SPEAKER_01 (30:44):
Absolutely.
James 2.17 famously states, inthe same way, faith by itself,
if it is not accompanied byaction, is dead.
SPEAKER_00 (30:53):
Faith without works is dead.
SPEAKER_01 (30:55):
Right.
The source emphasizes that whileour works don't save us, they
serve as tangible evidence thatour faith is real and alive.
An unchanged life afterprofessing faith in Christ
should be seen as a seriouswarning sign.
SPEAKER_00 (31:08):
Prompting self-examination.
SPEAKER_01 (31:10):
Exactly.
prompting us to examine thegenuineness of our faith.
SPEAKER_00 (31:13):
It all seems to come back to this essential idea of
bearing fruit, doesn't it?
SPEAKER_01 (31:17):
Yes, precisely.
Just as a healthy tree naturallybears good fruit.
SPEAKER_00 (31:21):
A person truly saved by God's grace will inevitably
exhibit the fruit of the Spirit.
SPEAKER_01 (31:26):
Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness,
faithfulness, gentleness,self-control.
Galatians 5.
SPEAKER_00 (31:31):
And these aren't optional add-ons.
SPEAKER_01 (31:33):
No, the source insists they are the necessary
and discernible evidence of alife transformed from the inside
out.
True salvation, the sourceconcludes, is a continuous
process of transformation thatprogressively bears spiritual
fruit and endures to the veryend.
SPEAKER_00 (31:50):
Wow.
That's a comprehensive look atthe source's perspective.
SPEAKER_01 (31:53):
It really has been a profoundly insightful and, yeah,
thought-provoking deep dive intothese crucial distinctions.
Outward profession versusgenuine salvation, as presented
in our source material.
SPEAKER_00 (32:04):
It certainly gives us a lot to reflect on regarding
the true nature of saving faith.
SPEAKER_01 (32:09):
It really does.
It underscores the vitalimportance of looking beyond
just superficial appearances andhonestly examining the inner
reality of our hearts and livesand the, well, the clear light
of God's Word.
SPEAKER_00 (32:20):
Indeed.
It really emphasizes that needfor honest self-assessment based
on scripture.
SPEAKER_01 (32:24):
So we really encourage you, the listener, to
continue reflecting on theseimportant ideas.
Maybe consider that potentialgap between outward religious
activity and the inward realityof the heart, not just in your
own life, perhaps, but alsowithin the broader church
landscape, as our sourcedescribed
SPEAKER_00 (32:42):
it.
A sobering but necessaryreflection.
SPEAKER_01 (32:45):
And for more in-depth discussions just like
this one, please be sure tovisit the Kingdom Corner podcast
on Podbean.
SPEAKER_00 (32:50):
Yeah, check it out.
SPEAKER_01 (32:52):
Thank you so much for taking this deep dive with
us today on the Kingdom CornerPodcast.
Welcome to the Kingdom Corner podcast.
SPEAKER_00 (00:02):
Great to be here.
SPEAKER_01 (00:02):
Today, we're diving deep into, well, a really
important idea, something drawnfrom our source material.
It's this understanding that,you know, within the group of
people who identify asChristian, there's maybe a
crucial distinction to be madeabout genuine salvation.
SPEAKER_00 (00:19):
Yeah, it's definitely a weighty topic and
one that our source approacheswith, I'd say, significant care.
It's really not about castingjudgment on individuals.
No.
It's more about understandingthese vital distinctions that
are presented within Christianteachings themselves.
SPEAKER_01 (00:36):
Exactly.
So our aim in this deep dive, itisn't to evaluate anyone's
personal faith journey.
SPEAKER_00 (00:42):
Not at all.
SPEAKER_01 (00:42):
But really to explore the framework that's
laid out in this material.
We want to really get a grasp onwhat the source defines as the
difference between, say, justprofessing faith outwardly...
SPEAKER_00 (00:52):
And actually experiencing that true
transformative salvation.
SPEAKER_01 (00:57):
We're going to unpack what the source
identifies as, like the keymarkers of that authentic faith.
SPEAKER_00 (01:02):
And it's so important as we get into this to
just maintain a spirit of...
learning and openness to whatthe source is actually
presenting.
Absolutely.
It frames this wholeunderstanding as having, well,
profound and really lastingimplications.
SPEAKER_01 (01:17):
Okay.
So let's get into it then.
The source starts by tacklingwhat it calls the problem of
mass deception.
SPEAKER_00 (01:25):
Powerful phrase.
SPEAKER_01 (01:26):
It is.
And the source makes a prettystriking claim right off the
bat.
This deception isn't some likeexternal force attacking the
church.
SPEAKER_00 (01:35):
No, it's saying it's happening within its own walls.
SPEAKER_01 (01:37):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (01:38):
Within.
That's a key point the sourcereally emphasizes.
It speaks to this potentiallywidespread situation where, you
know, many people identify withthe Christian faith outwardly,
but maybe haven't experiencedthat fundamental inner
transformation that the sourcesees as, well, essential for
true salvation.
Right.
It highlights the potentialtragedy of multitudes who call
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themselves Christian, butwithout that corresponding
change in their heart.
SPEAKER_01 (02:03):
Right.
The source gives examples, too,of these outward expressions
that can sometimes maybe bemistaken for true salvation.
SPEAKER_00 (02:11):
Like what?
SPEAKER_01 (02:12):
Things like just adopting the label Christian or,
you know, participating inreligious rituals or even just
reciting a prayer at some point.
OK.
But the source argues that theseactions, you know, in and of
themselves, they don'tautomatically signify that a
person has been genuinely saved.
SPEAKER_00 (02:29):
Right.
It's saying the real change,according to this perspective,
has Precisely.
SPEAKER_01 (02:35):
And to really underscore this, the source
points us straight to Jesus' ownwords.
Matthew 7.21.
SPEAKER_00 (02:41):
Ah, yes.
A central warning, really.
SPEAKER_01 (02:44):
It is.
The verse is pretty direct.
Not everyone who says to me,Lord, Lord, will enter the
kingdom of heaven.
So how does the source unpackthat?
SPEAKER_00 (02:53):
What's the significance?
SPEAKER_01 (03:19):
John 3, verse 3.
And the source really seems toemphasize this as like a
non-negotiable aspect of truesalvation.
SPEAKER_00 (03:29):
It absolutely does.
The source basically posits thatmere outward profession of
faith, even if it's accompaniedby sincere religious activities
or deeply felt emotions, itstill falls short of true
salvation without this innertransformation, the one brought
about by the Holy Spirit.
SPEAKER_01 (03:47):
So it's not just adding things to your religious
resume.
SPEAKER_00 (03:49):
Exactly.
It's about a fundamentalspiritual rebirth.
So
SPEAKER_01 (03:53):
when the source talks about being born again,
what exactly does that mean?
It sounds like it's notsomething we can just decide to
do ourselves.
SPEAKER_00 (04:01):
Right.
It's about God imparting newspiritual life to someone who
is, well, spiritually dead intheir sin.
SPEAKER_01 (04:19):
So it's not about joining a group or following
rules.
SPEAKER_00 (04:22):
No, not fundamentally.
It's a work of God in the innerbeing.
SPEAKER_01 (04:25):
And the source uses John 1.12.13 to back this up,
right?
SPEAKER_00 (04:30):
It does.
SPEAKER_01 (04:31):
What's the key takeaway from that passage for
this discussion?
SPEAKER_00 (04:34):
Well, that passage says that those who become
children of God are born not ofblood, nor of the flesh, nor of
the will of man, but of Hmm.
Yeah, it's baptism.
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While they might be importantexpressions of faith for someone
who is a believer, they cannot,on their own, produce this
essential new birth.
SPEAKER_01 (05:06):
Only God can do that.
SPEAKER_00 (05:07):
That's the source's point.
It's something only God can do.
SPEAKER_01 (05:10):
It makes a really important point about past
decisions too, doesn't it?
Well...
Like many people might point toa specific moment, maybe growing
up in a Christian home or sayinga specific prayer once or, you
know, walking down an aisle atchurch.
SPEAKER_00 (05:21):
Yeah, a decision point.
SPEAKER_01 (05:23):
Exactly.
As the definitive moment oftheir salvation.
How does the source handle that?
SPEAKER_00 (05:29):
The source acknowledges those moments can
be significant, definitely partof someone's spiritual journey.
Okay.
However, it cautions againstautomatically equating a past
decision or experience withbeing truly born again.
SPEAKER_01 (05:43):
Ah, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (05:44):
The crucial question the source keeps posing is, has
God actually changed your heart?
And then it points us to Titus3.5.
That verse emphasizes salvationisn't based on works of
righteousness, which we havedone, but according to his
mercy, he saved us by thewashing of regeneration and
renewal of the Holy Spirit.
SPEAKER_01 (06:03):
Those are God's mercy, God's work through the
Spirit.
SPEAKER_00 (06:06):
Exactly.
It highlights that salvation isrooted in God's grace and the
Spirit's work, not our ownefforts or even specific past
actions.
SPEAKER_01 (06:13):
Okay, so this This idea of regeneration, that seems
to be right at the very heart ofthe source's understanding here.
SPEAKER_00 (06:20):
It really is.
SPEAKER_01 (06:20):
How does it define or describe that process?
SPEAKER_00 (06:23):
The source describes regeneration as a supernatural
work of God, something thatbrings about a fundamental
transformation within a person.
SPEAKER_01 (06:31):
Not just surface level.
SPEAKER_00 (06:33):
No, not just a superficial adjustment.
It's a deep renewal thatproduces a new nature, a new
heart, and consequently a newdirection in life.
Wow.
It's a profound internal changeinitiated and carried out by
God.
SPEAKER_01 (06:48):
Okay.
So having laid that foundation,the source then shifts gears a
bit, talks about the evidencesof not being born again.
SPEAKER_00 (06:54):
Right.
What are the signs that thistransformation maybe hasn't
happened?
SPEAKER_01 (06:58):
Exactly.
What are some of the keyindicators the source
SPEAKER_00 (07:01):
points to?
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no real desire to grow inunderstanding it.
I see.
They might even have a strongintellectual glass of Christian
doctrine, but there's nopersonal heartfelt love for
Christ that actually transformstheir actions and desires.
SPEAKER_01 (07:37):
And the source brings in 2 Timothy 3.5 here,
doesn't
SPEAKER_00 (07:40):
it?
It does.
How does that verse fit?
SPEAKER_01 (07:42):
Well, that verse talks about people having a form
of godliness, but denying thepower thereof.
SPEAKER_00 (07:49):
Ah, yes.
The form without the substance.
SPEAKER_01 (07:52):
Precisely.
The source emphasizes thatsimply going through the outward
motions of religious practicewithout that corresponding inner
transformation and theempowering presence of the Holy
Spirit.
SPEAKER_00 (08:04):
It's not real.
SPEAKER_01 (08:05):
It's ultimately a delusion, according to the
source.
True conversion, the sourceasserts, is shown by conviction
of sin.
SPEAKER_00 (08:12):
Okay, so really seeing your sin before God.
SPEAKER_01 (08:14):
Yeah, and then repentance actually turning away
from that sin.
Faith in Christ, a wholeheartedtrust in his saving work, and
finally a growing desire to obeyGod Okay, but
SPEAKER_00 (08:26):
it's important to clarify what the source means by
that growing desire to obey God.
It's not suggesting genuinebelievers suddenly become
perfect, right?
They still struggle.
SPEAKER_01 (08:35):
Exactly.
The source definitelyacknowledges that believers will
continue to grapple with sin inthis life.
SPEAKER_00 (08:41):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (08:42):
However, it emphasizes there should be a
decisive break from the patternof their former life.
SPEAKER_00 (08:47):
A new direction.
SPEAKER_01 (08:48):
Yes, and a genuine desire to walk in newness of
life.
Reflecting
SPEAKER_00 (09:00):
a heart that's changing.
SPEAKER_01 (09:01):
Reflecting a heart that is increasingly aligned
with God's will.
That's the idea.
SPEAKER_00 (09:05):
And the source also mentions the fruit of the
indwelling spirit as anothercrucial piece of evidence.
SPEAKER_01 (09:11):
Ah, yes.
Galatians 5.
SPEAKER_00 (09:13):
Right.
What does that look like,according to this perspective?
SPEAKER_01 (09:17):
Well, these are those characteristics Paul lists
out.
Love, joy, peace, patience,kindness, The fruit
SPEAKER_00 (09:27):
of the Spirit.
SPEAKER_01 (09:28):
Exactly.
And the source doesn't presentthese as like optional extras
for super Christians.
SPEAKER_00 (09:33):
No.
SPEAKER_01 (09:34):
No, but as the natural outgrowths of a life
that's indwelt and empowered bythe Holy Spirit.
SPEAKER_00 (09:38):
Makes sense.
SPEAKER_01 (09:39):
It also loops back to Jesus's words in Matthew
7.16.
you will recognize them by theirfruits.
SPEAKER_00 (09:46):
Ah, the fruit test again.
SPEAKER_01 (09:47):
Right.
Stressing that the true natureof a believer is revealed not
just by what they say, but bythat tangible transformation in
their character and theirconduct.
SPEAKER_00 (09:56):
This is certainly a challenging perspective.
Important, but challenging.
SPEAKER_01 (10:00):
It is.
Now, the source then kind ofshifts its focus a bit to what
it calls the drift of modernChristianity.
SPEAKER_00 (10:06):
Okay.
What are the main concernsthere?
SPEAKER_01 (10:09):
Well, the source expresses a deep concern.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (10:30):
Feelings over truth.
SPEAKER_01 (10:31):
And maybe emphasizing entertainment and
superficial engagement over adeep transformative encounter
with God's word.
SPEAKER_00 (10:39):
Hmm.
It specifically mentionschurches that might focus
heavily on emotionalexperiences.
SPEAKER_01 (10:44):
Yeah.
Or motivational messages thatmaybe lack theological depth.
SPEAKER_00 (10:49):
Right.
Feel good messages.
SPEAKER_01 (10:51):
And even like theatrical or entertainment
driven productions as part oftheir services.
SPEAKER_00 (10:56):
Okay.
So what's the underlying issuewith that approach from the
source's viewpoint?
SPEAKER_01 (11:00):
Fragile
SPEAKER_00 (11:06):
how?
SPEAKER_01 (11:09):
It brings up Romans 10.1t.
Faith comes by hearing.
So
SPEAKER_00 (11:23):
genuine faith is a response to God's revealed
truth.
SPEAKER_01 (11:27):
Not just an emotional reaction.
SPEAKER_00 (11:28):
Not merely an emotional response to a
particular atmosphere ormessage.
SPEAKER_01 (11:32):
Got it.
So relying too heavily on thoseemotional highs in our spiritual
lives, that can actually bedetrimental, according to the
source.
SPEAKER_00 (11:39):
Exactly.
The source cautions against thedanger of equating intense
emotional experiences withgenuine spiritual closeness to
God.
Right.
And conversely, of interpretinga lack of strong feelings as
some kind of spiritual failure.
SPEAKER_01 (11:50):
Which happens, right?
SPEAKER_00 (11:51):
Oh, absolutely.
It points to examples inscripture like Habakkuk 3.17-18.
What's the
SPEAKER_01 (11:58):
point there?
SPEAKER_00 (11:58):
Well, the prophet expresses profound joy and trust
in God, even in the face of aThis illustrates an authentic
faith, one that endures beyondthe ebb and flow of emotions.
SPEAKER_01 (12:12):
The source also seems pretty critical of a trend
where maybe biblical truth takesa backseat to entertainment or,
you know, more palatablemessages in some churches.
SPEAKER_00 (12:20):
Yeah.
How does it describe that shift?
SPEAKER_01 (12:22):
It describes a scenario where perhaps sermons
might be shortened or softened.
SPEAKER_00 (12:27):
To be more engaging or less offensive.
SPEAKER_01 (12:29):
Right.
And where the focus of worshipcan sometimes shift towards
providing Instead
SPEAKER_00 (12:35):
of primarily glorifying God and edifying
believers through sounddoctrine?
SPEAKER_01 (12:41):
But will
SPEAKER_00 (12:47):
gather teachers who tell them what their itching
ears want to hear.
SPEAKER_01 (12:50):
Yeah.
So what are the potentialconsequences of this shift,
prioritizing entertainment andemotionalism over solid biblical
teaching?
SPEAKER_00 (12:58):
Well, the source argues it can lead to a shallow
Christianity.
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anchored in really understandingand applying God's word.
SPEAKER_01 (13:31):
So what's the corrective then?
What does the source propose?
What should the focus be?
SPEAKER_00 (13:36):
The source really advocates for a return to the
sufficiency of scripture.
Like Hebrews 4.12 says the wordof God is living and active.
SPEAKER_01 (13:44):
It doesn't need propping up.
SPEAKER_00 (13:45):
Exactly.
It emphasizes the Bible doesn'tneed to be diluted or
sensationalized or supplementedwith tons of entertainment.
SPEAKER_01 (13:52):
So the call is?
SPEAKER_00 (13:53):
The call is to preach and teach the truth of
God's word faithfully, even whenit's challenging Okay.
It really
SPEAKER_01 (14:09):
drives home the idea that true faith is about
something much more profound,more enduring than just
feelings,
SPEAKER_00 (14:15):
doesn't it?
Absolutely.
A commitment.
Right.
Okay, we're going to take
SPEAKER_01 (14:46):
just a quick pause here.
But while we do, we reallyencourage you to continue
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We'll be right back to digdeeper into our source material.
We're now turning our attentionto the concept of the narrow
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road.
SPEAKER_00 (15:07):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (15:07):
This is from Matthew 7.1314.
SPEAKER_00 (15:09):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (15:10):
And it seems the source has some pretty strong
concerns about how this isunderstood and followed today.
SPEAKER_00 (15:15):
Yes.
It quotes Jesus's powerful wordsdirectly.
Wow.
Yeah.
And the source says,
SPEAKER_01 (15:33):
Well, it demands self-denial,
SPEAKER_00 (15:57):
a willingness to put God's will above our own
desires.
Holiness, striving to live in away that praises God,
self-denial, Right.
So it involves
SPEAKER_01 (16:18):
turning away from sin daily.
SPEAKER_00 (16:21):
Yeah.
What Scripture calls crucifyingthe flesh and living with a
reverent fear of the Lord.
It's not an easy path.
SPEAKER_01 (16:27):
And the source observes that these core
aspects—self-denial, holiness,obedience— They're often
downplayed or even rejected inmany modern Christian circles.
SPEAKER_00 (16:37):
Why is that, do you think, according to the source?
SPEAKER_01 (16:39):
Well, they're sometimes dismissed as being too
rigid or legalistic, maybeoutdated or just too harsh for
today.
SPEAKER_00 (16:46):
Right.
Unpopular concepts.
SPEAKER_01 (16:48):
Instead, the source identifies this tendency to
gravitate towards a more dilutedversion of the gospel.
SPEAKER_00 (16:54):
One that doesn't confront sin directly.
SPEAKER_01 (16:56):
Exactly.
And one that tries to blend inwith the prevailing values and
norms of the culture, maybe toseem more relevant.
It even
SPEAKER_00 (17:05):
brings up the danger of what it calls cultural
Christianity, doesn't it?
SPEAKER_01 (17:08):
It does.
What are the risks there?
SPEAKER_00 (17:10):
Well, the source cautions against the church just
uncritically adopting thelanguage, the values, the
ideologies of secular culture totry and appear more appealing or
accessible.
It points us to James 4.4,friendship with the world means
hostility toward God.
SPEAKER_01 (17:27):
Strong words.
SPEAKER_00 (17:28):
Very.
The underlying message is thatwhen the church starts looking
more like the world than likeChrist, it risks losing its
distinctiveness, its propheticvoice, and ultimately its
effectiveness in pointing peopleto true life.
SPEAKER_01 (17:42):
And it seems like the pursuit of personal comfort
has also become a big factor inthis shift away from the narrow
road.
SPEAKER_00 (17:48):
How does the source address that?
SPEAKER_01 (17:50):
The source identifies the pursuit of
comfort and personal ease assomething that can subtly become
an idol.
SPEAKER_00 (17:55):
An idol.
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (17:56):
Yeah.
And believers That getsminimized.
Often minimized or even avoided.
Yeah.
The gospel, in somepresentations, can get reduced
to something that mostly offerspersonal benefit and emotional
(18:18):
comfort.
SPEAKER_00 (18:19):
Rather than a radical call to transformation
and self-denial.
SPEAKER_01 (18:22):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (18:23):
So what are the ultimate consequences, in the
source's view, of straying fromthis narrow road that leads to
life?
SPEAKER_01 (18:30):
Well, it leads to what Paul described as a form of
godliness without power.
SPEAKER_00 (18:34):
2 Timothy 3.5 again.
SPEAKER_01 (18:36):
Right.
An outward appearance ofreligiosity that lacks the inner
reality, the transformativepower of the Holy Spirit.
Okay.
It results in people who mighthonor God with their lips, but
their hearts are far from him,like Isaiah said.
And it can lead to churchesfocusing on maybe entertaining
people who aren't genuinelyseeking God.
SPEAKER_00 (18:52):
Instead of deeply feeding and nurturing true
disciples, like entertaininggoats instead of feeding sheep,
as the source puts it.
SPEAKER_01 (18:59):
Yeah, that's the phrase.
The source reiterates thatsobering truth.
So true discipleship
SPEAKER_00 (19:13):
is a call to embrace the narrow, often challenging
road.
SPEAKER_01 (19:17):
That's the source's conclusion.
The one that leads to eternallife.
SPEAKER_00 (19:21):
Wow.
Okay.
This brings us to the absolutelyfoundational importance of
biblical repentance andsubmission to Christ's lordship.
The source makes a strong casethat these are often missing or
maybe misunderstood elements ina lot of modern faith.
SPEAKER_01 (19:36):
That's absolutely right.
The source emphasizes thatgenuine salvation isn't just
intellectually agreeing to somedoctrines or having a particular
emotional experience.
SPEAKER_00 (19:45):
It requires more.
SPEAKER_01 (19:46):
It necessitates a fundamental turning away from
sin in all its forms and acomplete wholehearted surrender
to the authority and rule ofJesus Christ in every area of
our lives.
SPEAKER_00 (19:55):
Okay, so how does the source specifically define
biblical repentance?
What does that really involve?
SPEAKER_01 (20:00):
The source describes it as a radical change of mind.
SPEAKER_00 (20:03):
A change of mind.
SPEAKER_01 (20:04):
Yes, a profound shift in how we understand sin,
ourselves, and God.
And that inevitably results in acorresponding change of
direction in our lives.
SPEAKER_00 (20:14):
So it's more than just feeling sorry.
SPEAKER_01 (20:16):
Much more.
It's more than expressingremorse.
It involves a conscious changeThe source points
SPEAKER_00 (20:28):
to some powerful examples of this kind of
repentance being preached in theNew Testament, right?
SPEAKER_01 (20:33):
It does.
It highlights John the Baptist'sinitial call to repentance.
SPEAKER_00 (20:36):
Preparing the way.
SPEAKER_01 (20:37):
Yeah.
And Jesus' own message.
Matthew 4.17.
Right.
And Peter's call on Pentecost.
Repent and be baptized.
SPEAKER_00 (20:47):
Acts 2.38.
SPEAKER_01 (20:49):
And Paul's summary of his preaching as urging
people everywhere to repent andturn to God and prove their
repentance by their deeds.
SPEAKER_00 (20:55):
Acts 26.20.
So these examples reallyunderscore that repentance isn't
just a one-time thing.
SPEAKER_01 (21:01):
No.
SPEAKER_00 (21:01):
It's an ongoing posture of the heart that shows
up in actual changes inbehavior.
SPEAKER_01 (21:06):
So why does the source believe that biblical
repentance is so Well.
infrequently preached orgenuinely practiced in many
churches today.
What's going on there?
SPEAKER_00 (21:16):
Well, part of the issue, according to the source,
stems from a misunderstanding ormaybe even a downplaying of the
true nature of God's grace.
SPEAKER_01 (21:24):
How so?
Misunderstanding grace?
SPEAKER_00 (21:26):
It suggests that some have mistakenly come to
believe that grace somehowexcuses sin or allows us to keep
living in disobedience withoutconsequence, rather than
recognizing that God's graceactually empowers us to live
holy and transformed lives.
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (21:42):
It enables obedience.
SPEAKER_00 (21:43):
Exactly.
The source reminds us of Titus2.11.12, which teaches that
God's grace trains us torenounce ungodliness and worldly
passions and to liveself-controlled, upright, godly
lives.
SPEAKER_01 (21:54):
The grace isn't a license to sin.
SPEAKER_00 (21:56):
Not at all.
And the source is quite firmhere.
It asserts that where there isno genuine repentance, there is
no true salvation, only a formof religious pretense.
SPEAKER_01 (22:04):
Wow.
Okay.
And the other crucial element issubmission to Christ's lordship.
SPEAKER_00 (22:08):
Yes.
How does the source feel that SoJesus
SPEAKER_01 (22:13):
as Savior,
SPEAKER_00 (22:22):
but maybe not so much as Lord?
SPEAKER_01 (22:24):
That's the idea.
Jesus might be readily acceptedas a Savior who offers
forgiveness and personalbenefits, but he's not.
He's often not presented as theabsolute Lord who demands
complete allegiance andobedience in every part of our
lives.
The source points to Romans10.9, emphasizing the confession
that Jesus is Lord.
SPEAKER_00 (22:44):
And that's not just words.
SPEAKER_01 (22:46):
No.
The source argues thisconfession isn't merely verbal
acknowledgement.
It's a profound recognition ofChrist's supreme authority over
our entire being, leading topractical obedience and a life
lived under his rule.
SPEAKER_00 (22:58):
It seems the source is critical of a tendency within
modern Christianity to kind ofcater to human desires and
preferences rather thanupholding God's commands and
standards.
SPEAKER_01 (23:08):
Absolutely.
It describes a contemporaryChristian landscape where
there's often a strong emphasison being comfortable,
non-confrontational.
SPEAKER_00 (23:15):
Avoiding Right.
SPEAKER_01 (23:16):
Avoiding anything that might challenge people's
chosen lifestyles or make themfeel uncomfortable.
SPEAKER_00 (23:22):
Which is pretty different from Jesus'
SPEAKER_01 (23:24):
call.
Completely different from Jesus'call to deny himself and take up
his cross daily and follow me,Luke 9.23.
That call inherently involvessacrifice, commitment, a
willingness to go against thegrain.
SPEAKER_00 (23:38):
So what are the ultimate consequences, in the
source's view, of this absence?
No genuine repentance, nowholehearted submission to
Christ's lordship.
SPEAKER_01 (23:46):
The source concludes that without these foundational
pillars, the church ultimatelyloses its true spiritual power,
its moral purity, its verypurpose in the world.
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (23:56):
So what's left?
SPEAKER_01 (23:58):
What remains is often a superficial, ineffective
form of religion.
It might look impressive on theoutside, but it lacks the
genuine life-transforming powerof the Holy Spirit within.
SPEAKER_00 (24:08):
So the solution is?
SPEAKER_01 (24:09):
The source firmly believes that true spiritual
revival, authentic salvation,will only come when the church
returns to the uncompromisedbiblical call to repentance and
bows in complete submission toChrist's sovereign rule in
everything it teaches and does.
SPEAKER_00 (24:23):
Okay.
Finally, the source really digsinto Jesus' sobering warning in
Matthew 7.21-23.
SPEAKER_01 (24:32):
Yes, this feels like a really pivotal passage.
It brings together so many ofthese themes we've been
discussing.
SPEAKER_00 (24:37):
It really does.
The source quats the wholething.
Not everyone who says to me,Lord, Lord, will enter the
kingdom of heaven, but only theone who does the will of my
Father who is in heaven.
Many will say to me on that day,Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy
in your name and drive outdemons in your name and perform
many miracles in your name?
SPEAKER_01 (24:55):
Powerful stuff they claim to have done.
SPEAKER_00 (24:56):
Absolutely.
Then I will tell them plainly, Inever knew you.
Depart from me, you workers oflawlessness.
SPEAKER_01 (25:02):
Oof, I never knew you.
What strikes you as the mostsignificant aspect of that
warning, based on the source'sanalysis?
SPEAKER_00 (25:09):
I think the most striking element is just the
stark, unsettling revelationthat simply calling Jesus Lord,
even if it sounds reallysincere, and even engaging in
outwardly impressive spiritualactivities and ministry are
absolutely no guarantee ofsalvation.
SPEAKER_01 (25:24):
He's talking to people who thought they were in.
SPEAKER_00 (25:26):
Exactly.
Jesus is speaking directly topeople who genuinely believe
they were saved.
People who were activelyinvolved in what they thought
was serving him.
SPEAKER_01 (25:35):
It really hammers home that outward actions and
words alone They're not theultimate measure of true faith,
are they?
SPEAKER_00 (25:42):
Precisely.
The source emphasizes thecrucial issue isn't what these
individuals claim to believe oreven what they did in Jesus'
name.
SPEAKER_01 (25:51):
But what?
SPEAKER_00 (25:52):
But the condition of their hearts, whether they had
truly been regenerated by theHoly Spirit and were actually
living in genuine submission toGod's will.
SPEAKER_01 (26:00):
That repetition of Lord, Lord suggests they were
earnest,
SPEAKER_00 (26:03):
right?
It does.
It suggests earnestness, maybeeven desperation.
Yet Jesus unequivocally rejectstheir claim.
Why?
Because their lives weren'tcharacterized by obedience to
the Father.
SPEAKER_01 (26:12):
And what does it truly mean then to do the will
of the Father in this criticalcontext?
SPEAKER_00 (26:17):
According to the source, it means producing fruit
in your life that's consistentwith genuine salvation.
Like?
And those workers of
SPEAKER_01 (26:33):
lawlessness.
SPEAKER_00 (26:34):
That phrase exposes the fundamental problem.
Their outward religious activitywas ultimately just a facade.
It masked hearts that wereactually in rebellion against
God's commands and his righteousstandards.
SPEAKER_01 (26:47):
The source clearly sees this as a profound and,
uh...
Very relevant warning forcontemporary Christianity, too.
SPEAKER_00 (26:54):
Absolutely.
How does it apply today?
SPEAKER_01 (26:56):
Well, the source views this passage as a direct,
sobering challenge to anypresentation of the gospel that
might assure people of salvationwithout also demanding genuine
repentance and a radicaltransformation of their lives.
SPEAKER_00 (27:10):
Goes back to that transformation point.
SPEAKER_01 (27:11):
It does.
It reiterates the fundamentaltruth.
Salvation isn't just asuperficial transaction or a
verbal agreement.
It's a deep, comprehensivetransformation of the inner
being that inevitably shows upin outward change.
SPEAKER_00 (27:23):
And without that inner new life from the spirit.
SPEAKER_01 (27:26):
There's no real saving faith, regardless of how
much outward religious activitythere is.
SPEAKER_00 (27:30):
And it's crucial that this warning is
specifically for those withinthe church, right?
Not just outsiders.
SPEAKER_01 (27:34):
Exactly.
That's a powerful point.
It serves as a potent call forintrospection, for
self-examination, for all whoprofess to follow Christ.
SPEAKER_00 (27:42):
Like Paul said, examine yourselves.
SPEAKER_01 (27:44):
Right.
2 Corinthians 13.5.
Examine yourselves to seewhether you are truly in the
faith.
The inherent danger, the sourcestresses, is the possibility of
being profoundly deceived.
SPEAKER_00 (27:55):
Deceived into thinking
SPEAKER_01 (27:55):
Into thinking that our religious works, our church
attendance, our verbalaffirmations can somehow
substitute for a truly repentantheart and genuine faith that
produces a transformed life.
SPEAKER_00 (28:08):
So ultimately, what does Jesus desire?
SPEAKER_01 (28:10):
Ultimately, the source emphasizes, Jesus desires
heartfelt obedience that flowsfrom a deep love for him, a
living faith that consistentlybears the fruit of the Spirit.
SPEAKER_00 (28:19):
Which leaves us with those crucial questions.
SPEAKER_01 (28:21):
Exactly.
The crucial questions it leavesus, the listener, you, with are,
Have I truly been born again?
Does my life genuinely andincreasingly reflect the fruit
of repentance and sinceresubmission to Christ's Lordship?
Am I actively growing inholiness, becoming more like
him?
SPEAKER_00 (28:37):
Heavy questions.
Important questions.
SPEAKER_01 (28:39):
Very.
Finally, the source tells us,The importance of visible
transformation.
Drawing insights from the booksof James and 1 John.
SPEAKER_00 (28:46):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (28:47):
It argues that just a verbal confession of faith
alone isn't the completeevidence of genuine salvation.
SPEAKER_00 (28:54):
Right.
While acknowledging Romans 10.9,confessing Jesus as Lord is
important, the sourceunderscores that genuine
salvation will always beaccompanied by a demonstrable
transformation in a person'slife.
SPEAKER_01 (29:06):
Changed heart, changed life.
SPEAKER_00 (29:08):
Exactly.
A changed heart inevitably leadsto changed behaviors and
attitudes.
It points to 2 Corinthians 5.17.
Therefore, if anyone is in Andthis isn't
SPEAKER_01 (29:20):
about earning salvation through works.
Yeah.
Not legalism.
SPEAKER_00 (29:24):
No, the source is clear about that.
This isn't legalism or trying toearn God's favor through
external actions.
SPEAKER_01 (29:29):
What is it then?
SPEAKER_00 (29:30):
Rather, it's the natural, organic result of a
genuine God-given new nature.
When God regenerates a heart, heimparts new desires, a new
direction.
He replaces a life oncedominated by sin with a growing
pursuit of holiness, a deepeninglove for his word and increasing
hatred for sin, a genuine hungerfor righteousness.
SPEAKER_01 (29:52):
All through the Spirit's power.
SPEAKER_00 (29:54):
All through the supernatural enabling of the
Holy Spirit.
SPEAKER_01 (29:57):
The source also brings in those practical tests
for genuine salvation from 1John, doesn't it?
SPEAKER_00 (30:01):
It does.
What are some of those keyindicators?
SPEAKER_01 (30:04):
Well, particularly 1 John 2.4.
Whoever says, I know him, butdoes not keep his commands, is a
liar, and the truth is not inhim.
SPEAKER_00 (30:13):
Pretty blunt.
SPEAKER_01 (30:14):
Very.
But the Okay, important
SPEAKER_00 (30:19):
clarification.
SPEAKER_01 (30:20):
There'll be
SPEAKER_00 (30:26):
a sensitivity.
SPEAKER_01 (30:27):
And...
SPEAKER_00 (30:40):
The book of James strongly reinforces this
connection too, right?
Faith and action.
SPEAKER_01 (30:44):
Absolutely.
James 2.17 famously states, inthe same way, faith by itself,
if it is not accompanied byaction, is dead.
SPEAKER_00 (30:53):
Faith without works is dead.
SPEAKER_01 (30:55):
Right.
The source emphasizes that whileour works don't save us, they
serve as tangible evidence thatour faith is real and alive.
An unchanged life afterprofessing faith in Christ
should be seen as a seriouswarning sign.
SPEAKER_00 (31:08):
Prompting self-examination.
SPEAKER_01 (31:10):
Exactly.
prompting us to examine thegenuineness of our faith.
SPEAKER_00 (31:13):
It all seems to come back to this essential idea of
bearing fruit, doesn't it?
SPEAKER_01 (31:17):
Yes, precisely.
Just as a healthy tree naturallybears good fruit.
SPEAKER_00 (31:21):
A person truly saved by God's grace will inevitably
exhibit the fruit of the Spirit.
SPEAKER_01 (31:26):
Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness,
faithfulness, gentleness,self-control.
Galatians 5.
SPEAKER_00 (31:31):
And these aren't optional add-ons.
SPEAKER_01 (31:33):
No, the source insists they are the necessary
and discernible evidence of alife transformed from the inside
out.
True salvation, the sourceconcludes, is a continuous
process of transformation thatprogressively bears spiritual
fruit and endures to the veryend.
SPEAKER_00 (31:50):
Wow.
That's a comprehensive look atthe source's perspective.
SPEAKER_01 (31:53):
It really has been a profoundly insightful and, yeah,
thought-provoking deep dive intothese crucial distinctions.
Outward profession versusgenuine salvation, as presented
in our source material.
SPEAKER_00 (32:04):
It certainly gives us a lot to reflect on regarding
the true nature of saving faith.
SPEAKER_01 (32:09):
It really does.
It underscores the vitalimportance of looking beyond
just superficial appearances andhonestly examining the inner
reality of our hearts and livesand the, well, the clear light
of God's Word.
SPEAKER_00 (32:20):
Indeed.
It really emphasizes that needfor honest self-assessment based
on scripture.
SPEAKER_01 (32:24):
So we really encourage you, the listener, to
continue reflecting on theseimportant ideas.
Maybe consider that potentialgap between outward religious
activity and the inward realityof the heart, not just in your
own life, perhaps, but alsowithin the broader church
landscape, as our sourcedescribed
SPEAKER_00 (32:42):
it.
A sobering but necessaryreflection.
SPEAKER_01 (32:45):
And for more in-depth discussions just like
this one, please be sure tovisit the Kingdom Corner podcast
on Podbean.
SPEAKER_00 (32:50):
Yeah, check it out.
SPEAKER_01 (32:52):
Thank you so much for taking this deep dive with
us today on the Kingdom CornerPodcast.
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