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August 20, 2025 67 mins

A relationship isn’t a fairytale—it’s a skill. In this episode, we sit down with licensed marriage and family therapist Anita Chlipala to talk about what it really takes to create a thriving partnership in the thick of modern life.

Anita shares the biggest misconceptions she sees about love and longevity, why timing matters more than drama, and how couples can proactively strengthen their bond (long before things go sideways). From dating smart to navigating mid-marriage identity shifts, she blends research-backed insights with no-BS advice that makes healthy love feel doable—not dreamy. This one’s for anyone who wants to stop coasting and start connecting.

Anita mentions Gottman's research and insights multiple times during the episode. Here's an article that explains the concept of the Four Horsemen, which she refers to:

https://www.gottman.com/blog/the-four-horsemen-recognizing-criticism-contempt-defensiveness-and-stonewalling/

The stories and inspiration that shape her work:

https://www.oprah.com/omagazine/brene-brown-rising-strong-excerpt

https://www.businessinsider.com/brene-browns-biggest-life-hack-is-a-simple-phrase-2015-8

Anita's Book:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0692814965/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1482774756&sr=1-3&keywords=first+comes+us


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