Anna is joined by her first guest — and close friend — Jen Saunders, a registered clinical counsellor specializing in Somatic Experiencing and Internal Family Systems. Jen shares her journey from a fast-paced corporate career into counselling, and the path she had to take to come home to her body and health.
Together they explore how emotions carry wisdom, why relationships are central to repair, and the importance of developing an inner dialogue with our body sensations. Their conversation weaves through intuition, self-awareness, decision-making, and the role of community support in creating lasting personal change. At its heart, this episode is about remembering the body as an anchor in our lives — a guide into learning how to meet life’s challenges with more presence, depth, and resilience.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Somatic Experiencing and Internal Family Systems
03:51 Jen's Journey into Counseling and Somatic Work
10:29 The Courage to Change: Trusting Your Inner Voice
15:52 Anchoring in Self: Understanding Regulation
21:23 The Power of Somatic Work: Feeling to Heal
29:06 Internal Family Systems: Understanding Our Parts
36:13 The Complexity of Emotions: Navigating Shame and Anger
43:21 The Role of Relationships in Healing
49:56 The Nuance of Intuition and Decision Making
56:09 The Disconnect Between Body and Mind
01:00:59 The Journey of Self-Discovery and Acceptance
01:07:19 The Importance of Community in Healing
01:12:01 The Dance of Regulation and Healing
01:17:16 Exploring Sexuality and Body Connection
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