November 18, 2025 • 47 mins
This week, Dyce, the makers of Bad Choices and other delightfully unhinged party games, decided to sponsor this episode of Premeditated Opinions, where Pamela and Josh take a break from deep thoughts and existential dread to play the game that’s part therapy, part chaos, and 100% “we might regret this later.”
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Would you eat a human burger for $5,000?
Can your marriage survive the dishwasher loading debate?
How much would it take to get punched in the face once a year?
And are there actually therapists sleeping with their patients?!
It’s unfiltered, unserious, and occasionally profound, the perfect cocktail of chaos for your commute, cleaning session, or mental breakdown.
If you’re into party games, millennial humor, brutally honest friendships, and learning way too much about your hosts, this episode’s for you.
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Pamela (00:00):
Before we dive in, this episode is sponsored by Dice,
Creators of Bad Choices, thegame we're about to embarrass
ourselves with in this episode.
Josh (00:07):
That's awesome.
They've hooked us up with aunique link to their full
collection of party games thatwe actually enjoy.
If you want to play along orcause chaos at your next
gathering, use the link in thedescription.
It supports us and gives yousomething fun to do with your
friends.
Are there therapists who aresleeping with their patients?
Like, is this a thing?
Is this happening?
Like, I don't know.
(00:28):
Uh I just thought that was a thelistener should Google.
If you're sleeping with yourtherapist, let us know in the
comments.
Um We definitely want thatstory.
Pamela (00:53):
You're listening to premeditated opinions because
yes, we thought about it, andthen we said it anyway.
I'm Pamela.
Josh (01:00):
And I'm Josh, and we are two people who somehow share a
brain and decided to weaponizeour brains with microphones.
Each week, we unpack anything,from politics and religion to
carpool dread and everything inbetween.
Pamela (01:13):
You know, it would really help us a lot if you
followed us on Instagram andYouTube.
Giving us a like and a followis probably the best thing your
thumbs will do today.
Josh (01:21):
We are not experts.
We are just way too confidentin our own opinions.
With all that being said, let'sget started.
Well, welcome back toPremeditated Opinions, a special
episode of PremeditatedOpinions, because we're gonna do
something a little wacky.
Um, so we said in our lastepisode that we just think the
(01:43):
world is heavy, and we thinkthat there is there's always
something to be scared about, tokind of work up our
insecurities, our our our fears.
And so we wanted to dosomething that just felt fun and
lighthearted and a good time.
And one of the things that ourfamilies, both of our families,
really enjoy, is a good game.
(02:04):
Um and especially with uh thedevelopment of games like Cards
Against Humanity and ExplodingKittens and some of these really
popular ones, um, we have kindof been deep diving the
selections of card-based games.
And boy, we have we've talkedabout it a little bit before,
but we have just laughed untilour stomachs hurt so many times
(02:26):
in your living room.
Pamela (02:27):
Yeah, so so we've done Cards Against Humanity with
expansion packs.
Josh (02:32):
Like all of them.
Pamela (02:33):
Yeah.
Um What Do You Meme?
Josh (02:36):
Yep, great one.
Pamela (02:37):
Uh New Phone, who dis and Terrible Therapist.
Horrible therapist.
Josh (02:44):
Horrible therapist, horrible therapist.
Pamela (02:46):
Okay, so we just played that one over the weekend and it
was Oh my god, hilarious.
Josh (02:51):
It's got a couple extra steps than like cards against
humanity, but I think it makesit better.
Like it's it's so funny.
And I feel like there was onemore, the um it's that red box
that was sitting there.
Anyway, I I I know there wasone more.
I'm not sure we've even playedit yet.
That's what she said.
That's what she said.
Yep.
Yep.
So it's we have really deepdove the the card-based game
(03:15):
scene.
And and we're gonna continuethat today.
We have um, we purchased justbefore we started recording a
game called Bad Choices.
We have no idea what's in thisbox, really.
We read a couple of the sampleson the outside of the box and
went, this looks cool.
And so, and what I liked aboutit was it seems as though this
game is a good conversationstarter.
(03:37):
So uh the the little tagline onthe side of the box says the
Have You Ever Party Game.
And so the Have You Ever PartyGame for finding out hilarious
truths, secrets, and storiesabout your friends.
So we're gonna play thistogether a little bit, and then
what I'd love to do, and youknow, we'll figure out how to do
(04:00):
this uh down the road, but itcould be a cool way to even end
some future episodes when wehave guests on.
Pamela (04:05):
Oh and things like that.
Josh (04:06):
But anyway, that's an idea I had sitting here in this
moment.
Pamela (04:08):
So we can that's how most of our ideas come about.
Josh (04:12):
We can talk about it.
But anyway, so we're notnecessarily going to play by the
rules of this game because ittypically we're actually
supposed to have three or moreplayers.
But um essentially what's goingon here is there are prompt
cards.
So I'm opening the box now.
Uh so in the instructions, thegetting started just says the
(04:34):
object of the game is to be thefirst player to discard all
their cards.
So we're not gonna mess withthat right now because there's
only two of us.
Um but the gameplay is theplayer to the left of the last
person to arrive begins thegame.
Well, it doesn't matter for us.
They choose which one of theirbad choice cards they want to
use and which player they wantto use it on.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Oh.
Josh (04:52):
The object of each turn is to ask a player a question that
you think they will say yes to.
If they say yes, you get todiscard your card in the discard
pile.
If they say no, you must keepthe card and try and use it
again later.
Pamela (05:05):
Okay, so we're not doing any of that, we're just picking
these at random.
Josh (05:08):
We're picking these at random and and we're just going
to answer them and give as muchcontext as we feel like we can
put on the internet without itcosting us job opportunities
later in life.
Uh so that's that's reallywhat's going on here is we're
gonna answer as as as detailedas possible, but also as
honestly Yeah.
Pamela (05:29):
Okay, you know what?
Josh (05:30):
Let's just we're just gonna dive in.
So uh I'll uh here, you drawfor you draw a card first and
ask me something.
All right, do your worst.
Pamela (05:38):
Get ready.
Oh, oh boy, I don't know if wecan do this one.
Have you uh right?
Have you ever fooled aroundwith someone on your parents'
bed?
Josh (05:53):
No.
Nope.
I have not.
Not on my parents' bed.
Not if they're listening.
Pamela (06:01):
Okay.
Josh (06:03):
Not on my not on my parents' bed.
No.
I don't even have a story to gowith that one.
That never would have evencrossed my mind.
Like I would have been soscared to do anything like that.
Mm-mm.
No.
It's okay.
So let's do this one.
Oh, well.
Are you able to keep a secret?
Depends.
Depends on what?
Pamela (06:24):
Um, a lot of factors.
Like, who's telling me thesecret?
Is it a child?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Sure.
Pamela (06:30):
Is it an adult?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Sure.
Pamela (06:31):
You know, what kind of secret is it?
Is it illegal?
Like, can I benefit?
Josh (06:36):
Can I Can I benefit?
Pamela (06:42):
I mean, for the most part, yeah, I can.
Um Yeah.
I mean, if it's important,sure.
Like, and someone comes to meand and you know, is just kind
of like, hey, uh, you know, Ineed to talk about something or
I've got something on my mind,but I don't really want you
know, it's going around orwhatever, like, yeah, I can keep
(07:05):
a secret.
Josh (07:05):
Yeah, I I believe that.
Especially if it's like sort ofa confidant style interaction.
I I I believe that you couldyou could hold that down.
So Okay.
Pamela (07:15):
All right, you're uh here we go.
All right, I'm gonna go alittle further back.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Sure, you're right.
Pamela (07:22):
Oh, could you have a long-term relationship with
someone who has completelydifferent political views than
you?
Josh (07:29):
Oh gosh.
Um, probably not.
Like not not in this era ofpolitics.
I I think I think if we weretalking about political eras
from, you know, 40-50 years agowhen there was so much less
polarization and so much more umI mean, almost not maybe
(07:51):
crossover is the right word.
That could be the wrong word,but like I I'm thinking about
sort of the the John McCain erasof the Republican Party and
like the early George Bush era,like HW and where where like I I
I'm not necessarily seeing eyeto eye with the policy
decisions, but there was thismentality of we're still kind of
(08:14):
all in this together.
Pamela (08:15):
Yeah.
Josh (08:16):
And to me, that ship has sailed.
And so at least as far as thecurrent administration is
concerned, and and I I I don'tknow, it it at this point in my
life and at this point in sortof uh our political history, I
just not the same.
Pamela (08:36):
It's not it's it's it's not it's more fundamental.
Yes, and and and values andyeah.
Anyway, okay, we didn't want totalk about politics.
Jesus, moving on.
Oh god.
Josh (08:57):
Okay.
Have you ever puked andrallied?
Pamela (09:01):
Yeah, in the steak and shake parking lot.
Josh (09:03):
Yeah.
Pamela (09:06):
Oh, I'm so sorry, Stony Brook Steak and Shake parking
lot.
Like a couple times.
You've you've been the bearerof my bad news.
My bad, my bad choices and mybad decisions.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Josh (09:20):
But you you got right back on the horse and just kept.
Pamela (09:22):
Yeah, but never again will I drink Irish whiskey.
Never.
Yeah.
Never again.
That's fine.
Sorry.
Yeah.
Josh (09:30):
All right, what else we got?
Yeah.
Sorry, we're having to discardsome of these.
If you're not watching us onYouTube, brief silences while we
discard some of these that havewords that we can't say on.
Pamela (09:42):
Okay, okay.
Have you ever run into a formerlover and not remembered their
name?
Josh (09:48):
Oh no.
I I no.
Uh the the exes that I have arewere all so early in my life
that I was pretty connected tothem.
Like we got married so young,and I the the exes I do have
are, you know, people that insome cases are people uh uh a
(10:10):
couple of I'm still friendswith, you know.
And and so I just I wasn't thetype that had just a a a long
list of of people behind youknow in my wake.
Pamela (10:19):
Um it was I was a relationship to relationship
person.
Josh (10:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I was too.
Pamela (10:25):
So wow, we're really boring.
I know.
Okay, let's get something good.
Josh (10:29):
Well, we're actually we're also skipping some of the
really spicy ones that we pullup.
Yeah.
Uh can't say that.
Uh yeah, I'm just gonna showthis to you so you can react to
it.
But uh, yeah.
So I so so for the ladies andgentlemen listening, so here's
here's part of what's happeningthat that we're also editing out
bits and pieces of is we'redrawing cards that are too spicy
(10:53):
for our our main feeds.
YouTube and yes, we'll getflagged and in trouble.
And and we don't want to dothat.
So what we're gonna do is we'regonna set aside some of these
cards and we'll incorporate theminto our tequila Tuesday
premium content on Substack.
Yes.
And boy, that's gonna get it,it's it's gonna get wild.
Pamela (11:14):
You're gonna learn more than you want to see.
Yes, you absolutely are.
Josh (11:18):
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, this is a little weird,but I'm I'm fascinated.
Would you eat a human meatburger for $5,000?
Pamela (11:30):
No.
Josh (11:33):
Me either.
Pamela (11:34):
Maybe, maybe $500 million.
Josh (11:36):
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but for five grand, maybelike that's that's just not
anywhere near enough money forme to consider something.
Pamela (11:42):
I mean, we couldn't even go to Disney on that.
Josh (11:45):
I know.
This isn't even Disney money.
Pamela (11:46):
And you want me to eat people?
Josh (11:48):
Right.
Pamela (11:48):
Like, I don't Do I know?
Do I know it's human meat?
Josh (11:52):
That's a that's a good the card itself doesn't specify,
but I would say yes.
Pamela (12:00):
And I just got done watching that whole Dahmer
series.
Josh (12:05):
Yeah, so cannibalism's really on the brain.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Pamela (12:09):
That was part of my like Halloween festivities.
Watching watching Dahmer.
Would you cut off one of yourears for $500,000?
Josh (12:24):
Oh man, no.
Because the uh I not for thatamount of money, because I rely
on my ears for music, music, andand as a source of income.
I mean, even when I'm doinglike technical work and things
like that, the audio portionsare still really important.
Pamela (12:40):
Yeah, but I feel like you could still hear.
Josh (12:42):
Yeah, maybe so, but it would impact like like you'd be
surprised at how much the thethe tissue of your ear actually
matters to how much detail youcan hear.
Um, and so I I would do this,but not for half a million?
Pamela (12:59):
Yeah, that's a house, yeah.
Josh (13:01):
And I don't know, make it five million and I'm in.
Because at five million, Idon't have to work again.
Pamela (13:07):
Yeah, like that's true.
Josh (13:08):
That that that removes the liability.
So I'm negotiable with thatcard.
Like it's not a hard no, butthat number's not gonna be
enough.
Um so yeah, because I I'mpartial to my ears.
Um uh okay, here we go.
Uh for $200, would you tell amother that their baby was ugly?
Pamela (13:34):
Probably.
I can be savage.
Do I like know this mother?
Like, again, there's so many.
This is the problem.
We're like analysts, right?
Exactly.
We want the caveats here in thecontext.
Like, sorry, I'm a I'm abusiness analyst.
Like, I'm gonna I need all theinformation.
Right.
(13:55):
Uh yeah, I'd probably do it.
Josh (13:57):
Yeah, I probably would too.
Pamela (13:59):
Okay, I'm gonna ask this one.
Do you think you're the mostattractive person in the room?
Josh (14:04):
No.
Pamela (14:04):
Well, well, that was fast.
Leah in here.
Okay.
Well, I did get complimented onmy hair today.
Exactly.
Josh (14:16):
Exactly, exactly.
Um I I get compliments in ourhair all the time.
Um so um there is a swear wordin this one, which I'm gonna
bleep out just so YouTubedoesn't get mad, but I am gonna
use this card.
So would you accept $100,000,but every time you go outside
(14:41):
for the rest of your life, abird shits on your head?
I just wear a hat.
Pamela (14:47):
For the rest of your life, though.
Nah.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
No.
Pamela (14:54):
No.
These numbers, these we needinflation numbers.
Josh (14:59):
Right.
Are these 2025?
Like, like it seems like thesenumbers are too low.
Yeah.
Pamela (15:05):
I mean, like, we don't even play the Powerball unless
it's 500 million or yeah,exactly.
Josh (15:10):
That's our running gag, is we only start playing the
Powerball when it's worth ourtime at $500 million.
Pamela (15:16):
It's true, that $200 million.
Josh (15:18):
But also, even at $500 million, the cash payout's like
$230 million or something likethat.
And then you're paying taxes onthat.
And so you're, you know,anyway, we don't need to do
Powerball analysis um for youhere, but but it's yeah, for
$100,000.
I I would do it, I wouldprobably do it if I was
permitted to walk outside in ahat every single time I walked
(15:39):
outside.
Pamela (15:39):
But that's for the rest of your life.
You're gonna get like 75 andstill dealing with bird.
Like, yeah, that's and you willhave already spent that hundred
grand.
Josh (15:52):
Like, I mean, I could spend it too.
Pamela (15:54):
No, no, mm-mm.
Mm-mm.
Okay, okay.
Would you accept 500 grand peryear?
Oh, you have my attention, butrandomly, once a year, a
stranger will punch you in theface.
Josh (16:08):
Yes, all day, yes.
Because I mean, odds aresometimes that stranger is going
to be a sizable human being,but I'm also a sizable human
being.
Pamela (16:18):
And so Do you get to punch back?
Josh (16:21):
I mean, honestly, I don't uh you know, for half a mil a
year, I don't feel any.
Pamela (16:24):
No, no, no, no, no.
Five sorry, did I say thatwrong?
Five thousand per year.
Josh (16:30):
Well, five thousand per year?
Oh, nah.
Eh, maybe.
Like, if for so for fivethousand a year, I like my odds
of you know getting to gettingto like absorb a punch from a
random human.
But uh also in the spirit of usasking the follow-up question,
like, is this a large humanbeing?
Is this a martial arts trainedhuman being?
(16:52):
Like what, you know, therethere's there's caveats, but I
think overall, I'm a pretty bigdude.
Pamela (16:58):
Like if you block it, right, exactly.
Josh (17:00):
Yeah, if I used my ninja skills and and just blocked it
with my nunchucks, and and thenit's not an issue.
Pamela (17:10):
You're like a work of it, and people are like, why do
you have nunchucks in your belt?
You're like, don't worry aboutit.
Josh (17:16):
Yeah, you don't need to know.
No, that's fantastic.
Yeah, I I think I'm I think I'mdown, but it's mostly because I
feel like my size works to myadvantage.
Pamela (17:26):
So um right now you're just cheating.
Josh (17:30):
You yeah, I am because I keep pulling cards.
Uh or cheating, you're cheatingat the game that we just made
up the rules for I'm cheating atthe game that we are creating
as we go.
Yeah.
Okay, so would you shave offyour eyebrows for a thousand
dollars?
Pamela (17:52):
Yes, because they're tattooed on.
Josh (17:54):
Mm-hmm.
Yep.
Yep.
Yeah, that was I knew that wasgonna be an easy yes from you
because you'll shave them off,collect a grand, and in like
three weeks they're back anyway,and you got the tattoos to
cover for you.
Pretty much.
Okay.
That was pretty easy.
Pamela (18:09):
Yep.
Ooh.
Would you keep working at yourcurrent job if you won a year's
salary in the lottery?
Josh (18:16):
Yes.
And and I would because the forstarters, I I really enjoy what
I do.
Um and honestly, a year'ssalary, I mean that that would
be that'd be a great littlebump, you know, but that's not
enough money to get me enticedaway from working.
Like that's you know, it wehave plenty of real world
(18:39):
expenses that I wouldimmediately put those funds
towards.
And, you know, I I it would dosome great things for us, but
oh, I have I have no you'dprobably just pay off a bunch of
stuff.
Pamela (18:50):
That's exactly what I would do.
And you're like, okay, soyou're yeah.
Josh (18:53):
Yeah, and so and I just I love what I do.
I love the business that I'min.
Um I love the the clients weget to work for, you know.
Pamela (19:00):
I'm maybe one day this will be our salary, right?
Josh (19:02):
Yeah, I mean that would be amazing.
Yeah, yeah.
Like and subscribe.
Um plug.
Yeah, exactly.
But I I would definitely I Iwould definitely stay with what
I'm doing.
Um it's it's a lot of fun and Iget to travel some and stuff
like that.
It's pretty great.
Um, I'm gonna ask this, but Iknow the answer to this
(19:23):
question, I just think it's aninteresting prompt.
If you were a therapist, wouldyou sleep with your patients?
Pamela (19:30):
No.
Josh (19:31):
Exactly.
Pamela (19:31):
Why?
Josh (19:32):
Why?
But it it's it's an interestinglike the thing about this card
though is it makes me wonder arethere therapists who are
sleeping with their patients?
Like, is this a thing?
Is this happening?
Like, I don't know.
Uh I just thought that was a thelistener should Google.
Yeah, if you're sleeping withthe if you're sleeping with your
therapist, let us know in thecomments.
Um that that would be wedefinitely want that story.
(20:00):
And if you want to be ananonymous podcast guest and tell
us this story, we can arrangethat.
Oh yeah.
Pamela (20:07):
I have so many questions.
Josh (20:09):
I do too.
Pamela (20:10):
Oh, okay.
All right.
Josh (20:11):
Anyway, I just that that was too good not to ask.
Pamela (20:14):
I don't think, yeah, I don't know.
Josh (20:15):
I've never caught feelings from a therapist.
I haven't either.
Uh oh, and the last therapist Ihad was like a 66-year-old
woman.
Pamela (20:23):
Ooh, have you ever said I love you and not heard it
back?
Josh (20:26):
Yeah, yeah.
It's a bummer.
But you know, it was it was ata much earlier phase in my life.
It's been quite a while.
Pamela (20:34):
But uh it was last week Krista was mad at me because I
didn't put the dishes in thedishwasher the way that she
wanted them, and I was like, I'msorry, I love you.
Josh (20:42):
And she was just like, Yeah, that could be a
documentary.
Uh that's that's uh no, I amvery grateful in that she does
not uh withhold that languagethat that's you know not
something that she does.
But at the same time, sheabsolutely has ways that she
prefers the dishwasher loaded.
Oh god, don't our spouses areincredibly similar in that way,
(21:06):
like, and we like to troll them.
Um sometimes both of them atthe same time.
That's my favorite when we justcan annoy both simultaneously.
I feel like we're doingsomething.
Pamela (21:16):
Oh, I gotta tell you, hold on.
Josh (21:18):
Yeah.
Pamela (21:19):
So last week Josh was out of town, so I got stuck
doing the dishes.
Normally, depending on how longhe's gone, I will let them rot
until he gets back.
But I decided I'm gonna dothem.
Josh (21:33):
What a giver.
Pamela (21:34):
And when he got home, he was like, Who loaded this
dishwasher?
Our daughter did it.
And he was like, Oh, well, thisis really good.
And I'm like, I'm like, can werewind this back so I can record
it on my phone?
Josh (21:49):
Right, yeah.
I did it right, right?
Amazing.
Yeah, yeah.
I so the the pet peeve in myhouse is like I am the kind of
person who when the dishwasheris like 80% full, and if there's
no like if it's at the end ofthe day, I'm gonna run that
thing.
Like I'm not gonna let thedishes sit in there overnight so
(22:09):
that I can put it make it 100%full sometime the next day and
then run it.
And I will get chastised forthat from time to time that I
ran it before it was completelyfull.
But it's like it's got all thestuff in it I'm gonna need
tomorrow.
And so I'm just gonna run it sothat I have the things that I
need to do, you know, all the docooking and whatever.
Uh and so that's that's wherewe kind of don't see eye to eye
(22:33):
is uh and I will die on thathill, apparently.
It hasn't caused divorce yet,but if there is divorce, that
might be the reason.
Pamela (22:42):
So irreconcilable differences.
Josh (22:48):
Have you ever had your driver's license suspended?
Pamela (22:52):
No, I haven't had it suspended.
Josh has when he was 16.
Yeah.
He lost it for six months.
Yeah.
Because he was racing hisfriends like an idiot teenager.
Ah but no, I haven't had itsuspended.
Josh (23:08):
So I have had my driver's license suspended.
And and it's juicy.
So I the the circumstances thatgot me there are actually very
um uninteresting.
But what happened as a resultof having it suspended was kind
of wild.
So I had um I had some ticketsaga I had some tickets in the
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state of Texas, and the statehad just implemented a point
system on your driver's license.
So you get so many tickets umand you accrue points against
your license.
And depending on how manypoints you had, you had to pay
additional fines over and abovethe the actual fine for the
tickets.
Pamela (23:44):
I don't think Kentucky's got that.
Yeah.
I don't know if it's national.
Josh (23:48):
I don't think it's national, but okay, but
basically what happened was I Iwas just unaware of these points
that were getting stackedagainst my license because I
didn't update the address on mydriver's license.
So I wasn't getting them sentto me, they were getting sent to
a previous address.
And I won't say where becauseit throws people under the bus,
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but uh basically the noticesthat were coming in the mail
were getting thrown out.
And I just didn't know that Ihad all these points against my
license.
Well, so I'm on my way to gosee Krista while we're dating.
And I it was it was kind of onthe later side.
Um and I'm on my way down towhere she was living at the
time.
We lived about an hour and a uhan hour apart at this point in
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our relationship.
And I got pulled over and thecop goes, uh, you know, license
insurance, blah, blah, blah.
So he goes, runs my license,and he comes back and he does
the whole, sir, I need you toget out of the car.
Pamela (24:43):
And I was like, That's never a good sign.
Josh (24:45):
No.
And then a second cop pulled upbehind him, which is also never
a good sign.
If you haven't had either ofthese things happen to you
before, if you if both of thosethings happen, you are about to
get arrested.
Let me just tell you that,like, as consumer advice, you're
about to be arrested.
So, yeah, I was driving with asuspended license.
I had no idea that it wassuspended.
They arrested me.
Oh, yeah, and so I went.
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I know.
Um, and I wound up in the EllisCounty jail um in Texas.
Pamela (25:14):
That sounds terrifying.
Josh (25:16):
And I had to spend the night there because you have to
wait for a judge to post youryour bail amount to where you
can actually get out.
And so, because it was themiddle of the night, there was
no judge, and so I had to spendthe night and then the next one.
Pamela (25:28):
I would have been a mess.
Josh (25:30):
I was just and I'd have been oh, I was pissed, but but I
also was intimidated and justlike I I didn't know what I got
myself into, and so I managed towiggle my phone out of my
pocket while because after theyarrest you, they search your
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car.
And so I have been arrested.
I'm in the back of this squadcar, and I managed this is in
the days of flip phones, and Imanaged to wiggle my phone out
of my pocket, and I I hadKrista's number programmed on
speed dial.
And so I, if you held down thenumber two, it dialed Krista.
And so I could do it by feel.
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So I held down the number two,and I I can't hold the phone up
to my ear, but I I can kind ofsort of hear her.
And I was like, hey, you canhear me, but I can't hear you.
I've just been arrested.
I'm trying to figure out whatwas going on because I didn't
know, even then, I didn't knowwhy I'd been arrested.
They didn't tell me until I wasback, like at the station.
Pamela (26:31):
I've been like, just tell me you're running late.
Like, Jesus.
So I am need this elaboratetale.
Josh (26:39):
Right.
And so I end up just spendingthe night in jail, seeing a
judge the next day, and theypost my bail them outs.
A friend of mine drove down andbailed me out.
Then I had to figure out wheremy car was because they tow it
and impound it.
Pamela (26:53):
Oh geez.
Josh (26:53):
And it was a whole mess.
It's the only time I've everbeen arrested.
Um, and the whole ordeal wasless than 24 hours.
I mean, it was probably lessthan 18 hours, really, but it
was pretty scary for some19-year-old.
You know, so anyway, that's mydriver's license suspended
story.
So pay your fines, people.
Pay your fines.
Pamela (27:14):
Okay.
I'm gonna say this one a littlebit different because no one
says pre-drinks.
Have you ever turned up drunkto pre-game?
Josh (27:23):
Oh, have I pre-gamed the pre-game?
Pamela (27:26):
Yeah.
Josh (27:27):
A little.
I've I've definitely pre-gamedbefore I met up with people to
pre-game and arrived at thepregame going, whoo, I better
Uber.
Like I I haven't done that in avery long time.
And it was where I was it wasin seasons where I was much more
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invested in sports.
And so I would, you know, crackopen something while I'm
watching a game before I watchthe game I really care about.
But then I sort of have a fewdrinks throughout the course of
this sports game before the oneI care about, and then yeah,
it's you know.
Pamela (28:04):
I'm really bad about pre-gaming.
I I don't know.
I just I forget and then yeah.
Josh (28:10):
Well, I'll help you.
Um teach me your way.
I know your answer to this, butI'm gonna ask it anyway because
I think it's a good prompt.
Pamela (28:19):
Okay.
Josh (28:20):
Do you get paid too much for what you do?
Pamela (28:24):
I don't get paid at all for what I do.
Josh (28:29):
But when you're like in consulting and stuff like that,
when you're when you're doinglike if you get brought on to do
contract work for people orthings like that, like do you
feel like you are fairlycompensated?
Pamela (28:40):
This is complicated for me because I have spent so much
time feeling like I have to workharder.
And I I think we talked aboutthis with Krista.
Like the whole money thing justmakes me uncomfortable.
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Like I've never been good atnegotiating, like I just for a
long time, especially early inmy career, it's like to be paid
to do anything, like to me wasjust like a privilege.
Um, and so I accepted somereally low salaries pretty early
in my career because I justdidn't feel worthy.
(29:26):
Like I I I just I felt like Ihad so much to learn and and so
much experience that I needed togain that I was surprised I was
getting paid to do anything atall.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yeah.
Pamela (29:37):
And then I don't know, it's always been a struggle.
Um, it's still a struggle, evenin consulting where it's just
like I'm asking someone to payme to for my experience and my
expertise.
And like, I don't know, it'sjust it's very just it's a hard
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thing to put a numerical value.
Josh (30:00):
On something that feels so personal.
Like I'm I'm trying toespecially like IP.
Pamela (30:06):
Like it's just yeah, I don't know.
We kinda and we kind of talkedabout that with Krista with
painting.
Yeah.
You know, when she started,she's like, how do I even know
what to charge?
Like, same.
Josh (30:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Pamela (30:18):
Like I don't know.
Josh (30:20):
And that's where I have some advantage in that, you
know, the industry that I'm inkind of determines some of those
rates for me.
And so, you know, I know what'son the high end and the low
end, and I try and go for thehigh end.
But um, you know, it's so Ihear what you're saying.
Pamela (30:34):
Yeah, I mean, I have a little of that too, but it's
difficult with how volatile thejob market is right now, it it's
really hard to tell like whatpeople are willing to pay for
certain things, and like um,especially in consulting when
you've got bids and knowing likeyeah, not not having a clue
where you fall, yeah, withinthat.
Josh (30:54):
So that makes a lot of sense.
Pamela (30:56):
Yeah.
I mean, I I can't say I've everfelt like I was paid too much.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yeah.
Pamela (31:02):
Um, I've probably been paid too little, but I'm never
gonna like complain about that.
Yeah, like I don't know.
Josh (31:09):
Yeah, that's fair.
It's weird.
No, that's a really fair fairresponse.
Pamela (31:12):
Have you ever lied about your weight on your driver's
license?
Josh (31:18):
Um no, I don't think so.
I I I've never been in aposition where, and this is I
think this is a uniquely male umthing, but I've never been in a
position where I felt anobligation or I felt any sort of
stress about telling the truthabout my weight.
Like, and I know that that isnot shared among all humans, and
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that there's plenty of peoplewho are like, I am 110 pounds.
Um, you know, but it's it'sjust not it doesn't um trigger
my self-conscious mind.
Pamela (31:52):
Um I'm always like it depends.
Where am I in my cycle?
Right.
Yeah, yeah.
Like, did I eat a ton ofMexican last night?
Like, where, yeah, where am I?
Josh (32:04):
Okay, no, that's that's fair.
Pamela (32:05):
Uh and I try to stick with a pretty um median number.
Yeah, like not too high, nottoo low.
I'm like, it's somewhere inthere.
Josh (32:15):
Yeah, yeah.
That that's yeah, uh a range isfair.
Oh, this is interesting.
Okay.
Do you think that you will agewell?
Pamela (32:26):
No.
Josh (32:27):
Really?
Pamela (32:27):
I'm white.
We don't age well.
No, that's fair.
Josh (32:34):
Yeah, it it all starts to unravel at some point.
Pamela (32:38):
No, I'm already starting to like I yeah.
Josh (32:42):
I've I like my odds of having a long life because uh
when I look at my familyhistory, there's a lot of
octogenarians, people livinginto their 90s and stuff like
that.
Like, what what on you for yourfamily?
Like, do people tend to kind oflive well into those later
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years, or is that notnecessarily the trend?
Pamela (33:08):
Uh well, on my mom's side of the family, I'm not
sure.
Josh (33:11):
Okay, yeah, that's fair.
Yeah.
Pamela (33:13):
Um my dad's side of the family, I think we're held
together with alcohol andcigarettes.
Like, yeah.
Josh (33:23):
And you're just pickling yourselves from the inside.
Pretty much.
Pamela (33:27):
So uh I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
We'll see.
Josh (33:30):
Yeah.
Pamela (33:30):
I mean, I do think that I everybody kind of pegs me for
a little bit younger than Iactually am, but I think it's
just because I'm so immature.
There's like, there's no wayshe could be in her 40s.
Like, she acts like a dingdong.
Josh (33:49):
That's fair.
Yeah.
So I think I probably get thesame treatment.
Uh being bald ages me up alittle bit.
Um, and I'm starting to getlike some silvers in my beard
and all that, which I've Kristalikes, you know.
I I've heard that it works.
Yeah.
Um, but I uh I definitely thinkthat I look probably my age and
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I act half my age.
And and I never really think ofmyself as being 40.
Like I think of myself as stillbeing able to do all the same
things I do in my state.
Pamela (34:23):
I'd peg you for like 38 or 39.
Josh (34:25):
Okay.
Yeah, it's within range.
Pamela (34:27):
Yeah.
Josh (34:27):
Plus or minus a couple years.
Yeah.
But what you got?
Pamela (34:33):
Okay.
I feel like I know the answerto this, but have you ever done
a keg stand?
Josh (34:39):
Oh, no, I don't think so.
Pamela (34:41):
I I I've never understood the appeal of that.
Josh (34:45):
I haven't either.
And and I no, I definitelyhaven't.
Pamela (34:48):
Like not shotgunning a being.
Right, right, right.
Josh (34:52):
But literally getting your legs lifted and doing a keg
stand.
Like, that's that's that's alevel of college partying that I
didn't really do that much.
Like, I for starters, I don'thave a college degree.
Like, I never finished myfour-year degree, and I know I'm
sitting at the table withsomebody who has like nine
degrees, but um, I I neverfinished my undergrad because
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and it's a long story for adifferent podcast episode, but
basically, I had a wonderful jobwhen I was in college and had
to make some big life changes,and I needed that job more than
I needed school.
And so, and I'm wayoversimplifying the whole thing,
there's a lot more to it, butum I even the college that I
went to was not really a partyschool.
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It was a very engineeringheavy, very intellectual school,
a lot of hyper nerds like me.
And you know, I'm sure thatstuff was going on, but I wasn't
invited to it.
Yeah, and and the experiencesthat I did have in college that
were a little bit rowdy, theyjust it never really got to
anything like that, you know.
Pamela (35:55):
I I had all my college party days after college.
Yeah, yeah.
Josh (35:59):
Oh, I definitely went a little harder after college than
I did in college.
Um and a a little bit in highschool, but not very much.
Um sorry, dad.
Uh I no, it was it high schoolwas still pretty benign too.
It was all pretty undercontrol, but that that was I
probably have my first drink mysenior year in high school.
It's junior year, probably myjunior year in high school.
(36:20):
But uh but now I'm justincriminated.
Pamela (36:22):
Okay, okay, okay.
So what was your first drinkand when?
Josh (36:28):
It was probably a smear-noff ice.
My probably somewhere around myjunior year in high school.
Pamela (36:36):
Yeah, same.
Mine was um probably sophomorejunior year, and we had gone to
the movie theater and watchedsome movie in the middle of the
day that no one was going to bein, and we sat in the back with
a bottle of hot damn.
Josh (36:55):
I'm familiar with hot damn.
Pamela (36:56):
That's hilarious.
Josh (36:58):
Oh my goodness.
Pamela (37:00):
I like it was I'm like, what is so great about this?
Like, I don't I don't get it,but yeah, that that's the
earliest memory.
Josh (37:08):
But yeah, the smearing off ice, and then I had this hookup
uh in high school, this guy whohad an older sibling who would
buy stuff for him.
And that was my first timehaving like actual whiskeys,
bourbons, things like that.
And that was probably more mysenior year in high school, but
I was faking how much I liked itback then.
(37:29):
Like I didn't actually like itat all, but I felt like I was
supposed to.
So I'd be like peer pressures.
This is great, but I doremember my first real beer was
a Budweiser in a bottle that wasoffered to me by the I I had
been invited to hang out withthese older guys that were all
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in a band, and they were tryingto write some music, and they
were they were bringing in otherpeople to do like
instrumentalist parts and thingslike that.
And so I showed up to theirrehearsal space, which was
actually really nice and cool,and they were all a good bit
older than me.
Um, I was friends with a coupleof guys in there, um I think
from church, if I'm rememberingcorrectly, but they had a fridge
(38:10):
in their in their rehearsalspace, just stocked with all
sorts of beer and stuff, andthey just offered me one, and
and honestly in my head, I waslike, yeah, sure, why not?
Like and I think I had one, youknow, but that was like my
first real actual non-Smear NovIce beer.
Pamela (38:25):
Um and yeah, that I have a very interesting story with
drinking underage that we'll getinto later.
But um, I would always I wasn'ta fan of drinking because it
actually hurt like it causedpain.
Um, and I never understooduntil probably about a year or
(38:49):
so later with a particulardiagnosis.
Josh (38:51):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Pamela (38:53):
We'll get into that.
Josh (38:54):
Yeah, yeah, but that's a later episode, but but that's
interesting.
Pamela (38:58):
Yeah.
Josh (38:59):
Okay, so would you date somebody who makes half as much
money as you do?
Pamela (39:06):
If they're happy, yes.
Josh (39:09):
That's fair.
Pamela (39:09):
Yeah.
So that was one thing um Joshand I talked about at length,
you know, kind of throughout ourmarriage, was I don't want you
to be killing yourself andstressed out at work for a
paycheck.
I want you to be doingsomething that you enjoy,
(39:31):
something that you know youcreate that makes you happy or
that you're happy with, um, andwhatever that paycheck looks
like, you know, that we'll workour lifestyle around that.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Right.
Pamela (39:44):
Um and yeah, because to me, being happy, you know, not
and I'm not saying like, yes,he's work is stressful and and
all that.
It's not no stress, right?
But it's I want you to enjoywhat you're doing because you
are there you know, more hoursin the day than you are at home
(40:08):
and all of that.
So like I want you to enjoywhat it is that you do, and you
know, if that means that youdon't make a lot, then you know,
it's it's fine, we'll we'llfigure it out.
I mean, I didn't grow up in anaffluent home.
Like we we were pretty likelower middle class.
Um, and you know, we I didn'thave a lot, so I don't need a
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lot.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Yeah.
Pamela (40:31):
Um and luckily he's managed to find um a job that he
really, really enjoys.
Josh (40:38):
And he's good at it.
Like it's good at it.
It's fun watching him do whathe does.
Pamela (40:43):
Yeah, and and he's been getting quite a few raises here
lately, so that's been nice.
Josh (40:48):
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, yeah.
It's a shout out to Josh.
Thanks for thanks for beingcool.
Yep.
Um, I I I've never beenterribly concerned about other
people's income.
Like I don't really but I don'tcare how much you know people
make in general.
I I care way more about justuh, you know, are you
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contributing to the world aroundyou in meaningful ways?
Are you bringing some good tothe environment that you're in?
And um I've gone through timesin my life where money flowed
and was abundant and you knowthere was extra all over the
place and we could do cool, funthings w without really being
(41:30):
concerned at all about thedollar amount.
And then I've been in otherseasons of life, um some some of
these pretty recently, whereyou know, it was like you know,
we we we just can't do some ofthe things that maybe we became
accustomed to, and and you know,there's a a scaling back
element, and and I've really hadto figure out in my own life
(41:51):
that that's not failure.
Pamela (41:53):
Yeah.
Josh (41:53):
Like and and that's something that that i even
saying it out loud is is it itrolls off the tongue just fine.
It's a whole different thing toactually believe it.
Accept it.
Yeah, and and so and that's youknow, in some ways this year,
that's the season that we'vebeen in.
It's like, you know, it justhasn't been it hasn't been that
abundance, um, which is fine,and I'm not complaining.
(42:15):
I still am very happy in whatI'm doing.
As far as what somebody elsemakes, I just I'm not that's not
a a factor for me and in who Iwould partner myself with.
Um I will own that I am I canbe financially motivated.
I I will own that for myself.
Like I I do try and and bringin sufficient amounts of money
and all of that, like that's apriority for me, but also
(42:37):
sometimes it's just notavailable to me in the way that
I want.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Yeah.
Josh (42:39):
And that's fine.
But well, anyway, let's do allright.
To bring us home, what you got?
Pamela (42:45):
Would you pose as a nude model for an art class?
Josh (42:51):
So per my last conversation, what does it pay?
Like okay, it pays jury dutydollars.
Oh, that's no dollars.
Um I mean, like, I yes, I wouldI would also Would you
volunteer or would you have tobe asked?
(43:11):
I I would need to bespecifically invited and be
like, we need a Nordic lookingbald guy with a beard, you know,
like I'd be like, okay, like Iam your resident Viking, but it
it's Would you have specialrequests?
Pamela (43:31):
Um The temperature needs to be.
Josh (43:35):
Oh yeah, there would be temperature requests.
Uh yeah, I I I would needspecific snacks.
Pamela (43:41):
Uh oh, do you get to pick the poses?
Josh (43:47):
I would want I would want like veto rights on the poses.
Like I don't need to pick them,but I I would need the ability
to be able to go, no, I'm notgonna do that.
Pamela (43:57):
You need to do some of the like JC Penney, like yeah,
exactly.
Josh (44:05):
Like the what was it, the Owen Mills?
Yes, yes, I I we for our nextuh uh for our next podcast photo
update, we should go getglamour shots and like find a
studio that'll be.
Pamela (44:19):
Are those even still open?
Josh (44:20):
No, but we could find somewhere that'll yeah, but no,
I I would if I was invited bypeople that I knew were gonna
hold their laughter, then Iwould I I would probably say
yes, but it would have to be apretty specific set of
circumstances.
But but being being married toa wife that's a visual artist
(44:41):
and you know she's participatedin in stuff like that before,
and like I if someone had a reallike earnest artistic ask, like
we want to do a non becausemost of the time in those
character drawing classes it'sfemales.
And if someone if someone cameto me genuinely, said we're
(45:02):
trying to get outside that usualaesthetic, and I'd be like, you
just want a hairy dude whenokay.
You know, I would under theright circumstances I'd be down,
like because okay, you know,art is art, and I'll I'll
participate in that way ifsomeone is doing it not as a
(45:22):
joke.
Pamela (45:23):
That was a whole journey.
Yeah.
We just went on for uh yes.
Josh (45:28):
Look, you can count on me to over-explain just about
everything.
Pamela (45:32):
Um uh but yeah.
That was that was a good last.
Josh (45:36):
Yeah, it was.
That was that was a great wayto wrap things up.
Uh, once again, we're playingbad choices.
Um, and if you decide to go outand buy this game, you will
find quickly that we areskipping cards.
Um, because we have to playthis with people you trust.
Yeah, play this with peoplethat you want to that you don't
have a problem getting realintimate with.
But um, yeah, we've beenskipping cards just to make sure
(45:57):
that we're following the termsand conditions of the various
distribution platforms we're on.
But um, this is this is a greatway to just shake things up.
Um and this is a great ideathat Pamela had.
I don't want to take credit.
Um this was this was her ideathat I immediately kind of
attached onto.
So um, yeah, go buy it, play itwith people that you're not
scared to be really vulnerablewith.
(46:17):
Um, and yeah, uh, we willcertainly do this again.
Um, but as always, thank youfor uh jumping in with us.
Please like these videos,subscribe to the channels.
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(46:39):
Yes, they do.
Um, so anyway, thank you somuch for joining us, and we'll
be back in your ear holes withmore ludicrous content like this
uh in no time at all.
Pamela (46:48):
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We are not experts.
We are just way too confidentin our own opinions.
With all that being said, let'sget started.
Well, welcome back toPremeditated Opinions, a special
episode of PremeditatedOpinions, because we're gonna do
something a little wacky.
Um, so we said in our lastepisode that we just think the
(01:43):
world is heavy, and we thinkthat there is there's always
something to be scared about, tokind of work up our
insecurities, our our our fears.
And so we wanted to dosomething that just felt fun and
lighthearted and a good time.
And one of the things that ourfamilies, both of our families,
really enjoy, is a good game.
(02:04):
Um and especially with uh thedevelopment of games like Cards
Against Humanity and ExplodingKittens and some of these really
popular ones, um, we have kindof been deep diving the
selections of card-based games.
And boy, we have we've talkedabout it a little bit before,
but we have just laughed untilour stomachs hurt so many times
(02:26):
in your living room.
Pamela (02:27):
Yeah, so so we've done Cards Against Humanity with
expansion packs.
Josh (02:32):
Like all of them.
Pamela (02:33):
Yeah.
Um What Do You Meme?
Josh (02:36):
Yep, great one.
Pamela (02:37):
Uh New Phone, who dis and Terrible Therapist.
Horrible therapist.
Josh (02:44):
Horrible therapist, horrible therapist.
Pamela (02:46):
Okay, so we just played that one over the weekend and it
was Oh my god, hilarious.
Josh (02:51):
It's got a couple extra steps than like cards against
humanity, but I think it makesit better.
Like it's it's so funny.
And I feel like there was onemore, the um it's that red box
that was sitting there.
Anyway, I I I know there wasone more.
I'm not sure we've even playedit yet.
That's what she said.
That's what she said.
Yep.
Yep.
So it's we have really deepdove the the card-based game
(03:15):
scene.
And and we're gonna continuethat today.
We have um, we purchased justbefore we started recording a
game called Bad Choices.
We have no idea what's in thisbox, really.
We read a couple of the sampleson the outside of the box and
went, this looks cool.
And so, and what I liked aboutit was it seems as though this
game is a good conversationstarter.
(03:37):
So uh the the little tagline onthe side of the box says the
Have You Ever Party Game.
And so the Have You Ever PartyGame for finding out hilarious
truths, secrets, and storiesabout your friends.
So we're gonna play thistogether a little bit, and then
what I'd love to do, and youknow, we'll figure out how to do
(04:00):
this uh down the road, but itcould be a cool way to even end
some future episodes when wehave guests on.
Pamela (04:05):
Oh and things like that.
Josh (04:06):
But anyway, that's an idea I had sitting here in this
moment.
Pamela (04:08):
So we can that's how most of our ideas come about.
Josh (04:12):
We can talk about it.
But anyway, so we're notnecessarily going to play by the
rules of this game because ittypically we're actually
supposed to have three or moreplayers.
But um essentially what's goingon here is there are prompt
cards.
So I'm opening the box now.
Uh so in the instructions, thegetting started just says the
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object of the game is to be thefirst player to discard all
their cards.
So we're not gonna mess withthat right now because there's
only two of us.
Um but the gameplay is theplayer to the left of the last
person to arrive begins thegame.
Well, it doesn't matter for us.
They choose which one of theirbad choice cards they want to
use and which player they wantto use it on.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Oh.
Josh (04:52):
The object of each turn is to ask a player a question that
you think they will say yes to.
If they say yes, you get todiscard your card in the discard
pile.
If they say no, you must keepthe card and try and use it
again later.
Pamela (05:05):
Okay, so we're not doing any of that, we're just picking
these at random.
Josh (05:08):
We're picking these at random and and we're just going
to answer them and give as muchcontext as we feel like we can
put on the internet without itcosting us job opportunities
later in life.
Uh so that's that's reallywhat's going on here is we're
gonna answer as as as detailedas possible, but also as
honestly Yeah.
Pamela (05:29):
Okay, you know what?
Josh (05:30):
Let's just we're just gonna dive in.
So uh I'll uh here, you drawfor you draw a card first and
ask me something.
All right, do your worst.
Pamela (05:38):
Get ready.
Oh, oh boy, I don't know if wecan do this one.
Have you uh right?
Have you ever fooled aroundwith someone on your parents'
bed?
Josh (05:53):
No.
Nope.
I have not.
Not on my parents' bed.
Not if they're listening.
Pamela (06:01):
Okay.
Josh (06:03):
Not on my not on my parents' bed.
No.
I don't even have a story to gowith that one.
That never would have evencrossed my mind.
Like I would have been soscared to do anything like that.
Mm-mm.
No.
It's okay.
So let's do this one.
Oh, well.
Are you able to keep a secret?
Depends.
Depends on what?
Pamela (06:24):
Um, a lot of factors.
Like, who's telling me thesecret?
Is it a child?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Sure.
Pamela (06:30):
Is it an adult?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Sure.
Pamela (06:31):
You know, what kind of secret is it?
Is it illegal?
Like, can I benefit?
Josh (06:36):
Can I Can I benefit?
Pamela (06:42):
I mean, for the most part, yeah, I can.
Um Yeah.
I mean, if it's important,sure.
Like, and someone comes to meand and you know, is just kind
of like, hey, uh, you know, Ineed to talk about something or
I've got something on my mind,but I don't really want you
know, it's going around orwhatever, like, yeah, I can keep
(07:05):
a secret.
Josh (07:05):
Yeah, I I believe that.
Especially if it's like sort ofa confidant style interaction.
I I I believe that you couldyou could hold that down.
So Okay.
Pamela (07:15):
All right, you're uh here we go.
All right, I'm gonna go alittle further back.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Sure, you're right.
Pamela (07:22):
Oh, could you have a long-term relationship with
someone who has completelydifferent political views than
you?
Josh (07:29):
Oh gosh.
Um, probably not.
Like not not in this era ofpolitics.
I I think I think if we weretalking about political eras
from, you know, 40-50 years agowhen there was so much less
polarization and so much more umI mean, almost not maybe
(07:51):
crossover is the right word.
That could be the wrong word,but like I I'm thinking about
sort of the the John McCain erasof the Republican Party and
like the early George Bush era,like HW and where where like I I
I'm not necessarily seeing eyeto eye with the policy
decisions, but there was thismentality of we're still kind of
(08:14):
all in this together.
Pamela (08:15):
Yeah.
Josh (08:16):
And to me, that ship has sailed.
And so at least as far as thecurrent administration is
concerned, and and I I I don'tknow, it it at this point in my
life and at this point in sortof uh our political history, I
just not the same.
Pamela (08:36):
It's not it's it's it's not it's more fundamental.
Yes, and and and values andyeah.
Anyway, okay, we didn't want totalk about politics.
Jesus, moving on.
Oh god.
Josh (08:57):
Okay.
Have you ever puked andrallied?
Pamela (09:01):
Yeah, in the steak and shake parking lot.
Josh (09:03):
Yeah.
Pamela (09:06):
Oh, I'm so sorry, Stony Brook Steak and Shake parking
lot.
Like a couple times.
You've you've been the bearerof my bad news.
My bad, my bad choices and mybad decisions.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Josh (09:20):
But you you got right back on the horse and just kept.
Pamela (09:22):
Yeah, but never again will I drink Irish whiskey.
Never.
Yeah.
Never again.
That's fine.
Sorry.
Yeah.
Josh (09:30):
All right, what else we got?
Yeah.
Sorry, we're having to discardsome of these.
If you're not watching us onYouTube, brief silences while we
discard some of these that havewords that we can't say on.
Pamela (09:42):
Okay, okay.
Have you ever run into a formerlover and not remembered their
name?
Josh (09:48):
Oh no.
I I no.
Uh the the exes that I have arewere all so early in my life
that I was pretty connected tothem.
Like we got married so young,and I the the exes I do have
are, you know, people that insome cases are people uh uh a
(10:10):
couple of I'm still friendswith, you know.
And and so I just I wasn't thetype that had just a a a long
list of of people behind youknow in my wake.
Pamela (10:19):
Um it was I was a relationship to relationship
person.
Josh (10:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I was too.
Pamela (10:25):
So wow, we're really boring.
I know.
Okay, let's get something good.
Josh (10:29):
Well, we're actually we're also skipping some of the
really spicy ones that we pullup.
Yeah.
Uh can't say that.
Uh yeah, I'm just gonna showthis to you so you can react to
it.
But uh, yeah.
So I so so for the ladies andgentlemen listening, so here's
here's part of what's happeningthat that we're also editing out
bits and pieces of is we'redrawing cards that are too spicy
(10:53):
for our our main feeds.
YouTube and yes, we'll getflagged and in trouble.
And and we don't want to dothat.
So what we're gonna do is we'regonna set aside some of these
cards and we'll incorporate theminto our tequila Tuesday
premium content on Substack.
Yes.
And boy, that's gonna get it,it's it's gonna get wild.
Pamela (11:14):
You're gonna learn more than you want to see.
Yes, you absolutely are.
Josh (11:18):
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, this is a little weird,but I'm I'm fascinated.
Would you eat a human meatburger for $5,000?
Pamela (11:30):
No.
Josh (11:33):
Me either.
Pamela (11:34):
Maybe, maybe $500 million.
Josh (11:36):
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but for five grand, maybelike that's that's just not
anywhere near enough money forme to consider something.
Pamela (11:42):
I mean, we couldn't even go to Disney on that.
Josh (11:45):
I know.
This isn't even Disney money.
Pamela (11:46):
And you want me to eat people?
Josh (11:48):
Right.
Pamela (11:48):
Like, I don't Do I know?
Do I know it's human meat?
Josh (11:52):
That's a that's a good the card itself doesn't specify,
but I would say yes.
Pamela (12:00):
And I just got done watching that whole Dahmer
series.
Josh (12:05):
Yeah, so cannibalism's really on the brain.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Pamela (12:09):
That was part of my like Halloween festivities.
Watching watching Dahmer.
Would you cut off one of yourears for $500,000?
Josh (12:24):
Oh man, no.
Because the uh I not for thatamount of money, because I rely
on my ears for music, music, andand as a source of income.
I mean, even when I'm doinglike technical work and things
like that, the audio portionsare still really important.
Pamela (12:40):
Yeah, but I feel like you could still hear.
Josh (12:42):
Yeah, maybe so, but it would impact like like you'd be
surprised at how much the thethe tissue of your ear actually
matters to how much detail youcan hear.
Um, and so I I would do this,but not for half a million?
Pamela (12:59):
Yeah, that's a house, yeah.
Josh (13:01):
And I don't know, make it five million and I'm in.
Because at five million, Idon't have to work again.
Pamela (13:07):
Yeah, like that's true.
Josh (13:08):
That that that removes the liability.
So I'm negotiable with thatcard.
Like it's not a hard no, butthat number's not gonna be
enough.
Um so yeah, because I I'mpartial to my ears.
Um uh okay, here we go.
Uh for $200, would you tell amother that their baby was ugly?
Pamela (13:34):
Probably.
I can be savage.
Do I like know this mother?
Like, again, there's so many.
This is the problem.
We're like analysts, right?
Exactly.
We want the caveats here in thecontext.
Like, sorry, I'm a I'm abusiness analyst.
Like, I'm gonna I need all theinformation.
Right.
(13:55):
Uh yeah, I'd probably do it.
Josh (13:57):
Yeah, I probably would too.
Pamela (13:59):
Okay, I'm gonna ask this one.
Do you think you're the mostattractive person in the room?
Josh (14:04):
No.
Pamela (14:04):
Well, well, that was fast.
Leah in here.
Okay.
Well, I did get complimented onmy hair today.
Exactly.
Josh (14:16):
Exactly, exactly.
Um I I get compliments in ourhair all the time.
Um so um there is a swear wordin this one, which I'm gonna
bleep out just so YouTubedoesn't get mad, but I am gonna
use this card.
So would you accept $100,000,but every time you go outside
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for the rest of your life, abird shits on your head?
I just wear a hat.
Pamela (14:47):
For the rest of your life, though.
Nah.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
No.
Pamela (14:54):
No.
These numbers, these we needinflation numbers.
Josh (14:59):
Right.
Are these 2025?
Like, like it seems like thesenumbers are too low.
Yeah.
Pamela (15:05):
I mean, like, we don't even play the Powerball unless
it's 500 million or yeah,exactly.
Josh (15:10):
That's our running gag, is we only start playing the
Powerball when it's worth ourtime at $500 million.
Pamela (15:16):
It's true, that $200 million.
Josh (15:18):
But also, even at $500 million, the cash payout's like
$230 million or something likethat.
And then you're paying taxes onthat.
And so you're, you know,anyway, we don't need to do
Powerball analysis um for youhere, but but it's yeah, for
$100,000.
I I would do it, I wouldprobably do it if I was
permitted to walk outside in ahat every single time I walked
(15:39):
outside.
Pamela (15:39):
But that's for the rest of your life.
You're gonna get like 75 andstill dealing with bird.
Like, yeah, that's and you willhave already spent that hundred
grand.
Josh (15:52):
Like, I mean, I could spend it too.
Pamela (15:54):
No, no, mm-mm.
Mm-mm.
Okay, okay.
Would you accept 500 grand peryear?
Oh, you have my attention, butrandomly, once a year, a
stranger will punch you in theface.
Josh (16:08):
Yes, all day, yes.
Because I mean, odds aresometimes that stranger is going
to be a sizable human being,but I'm also a sizable human
being.
Pamela (16:18):
And so Do you get to punch back?
Josh (16:21):
I mean, honestly, I don't uh you know, for half a mil a
year, I don't feel any.
Pamela (16:24):
No, no, no, no, no.
Five sorry, did I say thatwrong?
Five thousand per year.
Josh (16:30):
Well, five thousand per year?
Oh, nah.
Eh, maybe.
Like, if for so for fivethousand a year, I like my odds
of you know getting to gettingto like absorb a punch from a
random human.
But uh also in the spirit of usasking the follow-up question,
like, is this a large humanbeing?
Is this a martial arts trainedhuman being?
(16:52):
Like what, you know, therethere's there's caveats, but I
think overall, I'm a pretty bigdude.
Pamela (16:58):
Like if you block it, right, exactly.
Josh (17:00):
Yeah, if I used my ninja skills and and just blocked it
with my nunchucks, and and thenit's not an issue.
Pamela (17:10):
You're like a work of it, and people are like, why do
you have nunchucks in your belt?
You're like, don't worry aboutit.
Josh (17:16):
Yeah, you don't need to know.
No, that's fantastic.
Yeah, I I think I'm I think I'mdown, but it's mostly because I
feel like my size works to myadvantage.
Pamela (17:26):
So um right now you're just cheating.
Josh (17:30):
You yeah, I am because I keep pulling cards.
Uh or cheating, you're cheatingat the game that we just made
up the rules for I'm cheating atthe game that we are creating
as we go.
Yeah.
Okay, so would you shave offyour eyebrows for a thousand
dollars?
Pamela (17:52):
Yes, because they're tattooed on.
Josh (17:54):
Mm-hmm.
Yep.
Yep.
Yeah, that was I knew that wasgonna be an easy yes from you
because you'll shave them off,collect a grand, and in like
three weeks they're back anyway,and you got the tattoos to
cover for you.
Pretty much.
Okay.
That was pretty easy.
Pamela (18:09):
Yep.
Ooh.
Would you keep working at yourcurrent job if you won a year's
salary in the lottery?
Josh (18:16):
Yes.
And and I would because the forstarters, I I really enjoy what
I do.
Um and honestly, a year'ssalary, I mean that that would
be that'd be a great littlebump, you know, but that's not
enough money to get me enticedaway from working.
Like that's you know, it wehave plenty of real world
(18:39):
expenses that I wouldimmediately put those funds
towards.
And, you know, I I it would dosome great things for us, but
oh, I have I have no you'dprobably just pay off a bunch of
stuff.
Pamela (18:50):
That's exactly what I would do.
And you're like, okay, soyou're yeah.
Josh (18:53):
Yeah, and so and I just I love what I do.
I love the business that I'min.
Um I love the the clients weget to work for, you know.
Pamela (19:00):
I'm maybe one day this will be our salary, right?
Josh (19:02):
Yeah, I mean that would be amazing.
Yeah, yeah.
Like and subscribe.
Um plug.
Yeah, exactly.
But I I would definitely I Iwould definitely stay with what
I'm doing.
Um it's it's a lot of fun and Iget to travel some and stuff
like that.
It's pretty great.
Um, I'm gonna ask this, but Iknow the answer to this
(19:23):
question, I just think it's aninteresting prompt.
If you were a therapist, wouldyou sleep with your patients?
Pamela (19:30):
No.
Josh (19:31):
Exactly.
Pamela (19:31):
Why?
Josh (19:32):
Why?
But it it's it's an interestinglike the thing about this card
though is it makes me wonder arethere therapists who are
sleeping with their patients?
Like, is this a thing?
Is this happening?
Like, I don't know.
Uh I just thought that was a thelistener should Google.
Yeah, if you're sleeping withthe if you're sleeping with your
therapist, let us know in thecomments.
Um that that would be wedefinitely want that story.
(20:00):
And if you want to be ananonymous podcast guest and tell
us this story, we can arrangethat.
Oh yeah.
Pamela (20:07):
I have so many questions.
Josh (20:09):
I do too.
Pamela (20:10):
Oh, okay.
All right.
Josh (20:11):
Anyway, I just that that was too good not to ask.
Pamela (20:14):
I don't think, yeah, I don't know.
Josh (20:15):
I've never caught feelings from a therapist.
I haven't either.
Uh oh, and the last therapist Ihad was like a 66-year-old
woman.
Pamela (20:23):
Ooh, have you ever said I love you and not heard it
back?
Josh (20:26):
Yeah, yeah.
It's a bummer.
But you know, it was it was ata much earlier phase in my life.
It's been quite a while.
Pamela (20:34):
But uh it was last week Krista was mad at me because I
didn't put the dishes in thedishwasher the way that she
wanted them, and I was like, I'msorry, I love you.
Josh (20:42):
And she was just like, Yeah, that could be a
documentary.
Uh that's that's uh no, I amvery grateful in that she does
not uh withhold that languagethat that's you know not
something that she does.
But at the same time, sheabsolutely has ways that she
prefers the dishwasher loaded.
Oh god, don't our spouses areincredibly similar in that way,
(21:06):
like, and we like to troll them.
Um sometimes both of them atthe same time.
That's my favorite when we justcan annoy both simultaneously.
I feel like we're doingsomething.
Pamela (21:16):
Oh, I gotta tell you, hold on.
Josh (21:18):
Yeah.
Pamela (21:19):
So last week Josh was out of town, so I got stuck
doing the dishes.
Normally, depending on how longhe's gone, I will let them rot
until he gets back.
But I decided I'm gonna dothem.
Josh (21:33):
What a giver.
Pamela (21:34):
And when he got home, he was like, Who loaded this
dishwasher?
Our daughter did it.
And he was like, Oh, well, thisis really good.
And I'm like, I'm like, can werewind this back so I can record
it on my phone?
Josh (21:49):
Right, yeah.
I did it right, right?
Amazing.
Yeah, yeah.
I so the the pet peeve in myhouse is like I am the kind of
person who when the dishwasheris like 80% full, and if there's
no like if it's at the end ofthe day, I'm gonna run that
thing.
Like I'm not gonna let thedishes sit in there overnight so
(22:09):
that I can put it make it 100%full sometime the next day and
then run it.
And I will get chastised forthat from time to time that I
ran it before it was completelyfull.
But it's like it's got all thestuff in it I'm gonna need
tomorrow.
And so I'm just gonna run it sothat I have the things that I
need to do, you know, all the docooking and whatever.
Uh and so that's that's wherewe kind of don't see eye to eye
(22:33):
is uh and I will die on thathill, apparently.
It hasn't caused divorce yet,but if there is divorce, that
might be the reason.
Pamela (22:42):
So irreconcilable differences.
Josh (22:48):
Have you ever had your driver's license suspended?
Pamela (22:52):
No, I haven't had it suspended.
Josh has when he was 16.
Yeah.
He lost it for six months.
Yeah.
Because he was racing hisfriends like an idiot teenager.
Ah but no, I haven't had itsuspended.
Josh (23:08):
So I have had my driver's license suspended.
And and it's juicy.
So I the the circumstances thatgot me there are actually very
um uninteresting.
But what happened as a resultof having it suspended was kind
of wild.
So I had um I had some ticketsaga I had some tickets in the
(23:30):
state of Texas, and the statehad just implemented a point
system on your driver's license.
So you get so many tickets umand you accrue points against
your license.
And depending on how manypoints you had, you had to pay
additional fines over and abovethe the actual fine for the
tickets.
Pamela (23:44):
I don't think Kentucky's got that.
Yeah.
I don't know if it's national.
Josh (23:48):
I don't think it's national, but okay, but
basically what happened was I Iwas just unaware of these points
that were getting stackedagainst my license because I
didn't update the address on mydriver's license.
So I wasn't getting them sentto me, they were getting sent to
a previous address.
And I won't say where becauseit throws people under the bus,
(24:08):
but uh basically the noticesthat were coming in the mail
were getting thrown out.
And I just didn't know that Ihad all these points against my
license.
Well, so I'm on my way to gosee Krista while we're dating.
And I it was it was kind of onthe later side.
Um and I'm on my way down towhere she was living at the
time.
We lived about an hour and a uhan hour apart at this point in
(24:31):
our relationship.
And I got pulled over and thecop goes, uh, you know, license
insurance, blah, blah, blah.
So he goes, runs my license,and he comes back and he does
the whole, sir, I need you toget out of the car.
Pamela (24:43):
And I was like, That's never a good sign.
Josh (24:45):
No.
And then a second cop pulled upbehind him, which is also never
a good sign.
If you haven't had either ofthese things happen to you
before, if you if both of thosethings happen, you are about to
get arrested.
Let me just tell you that,like, as consumer advice, you're
about to be arrested.
So, yeah, I was driving with asuspended license.
I had no idea that it wassuspended.
They arrested me.
Oh, yeah, and so I went.
(25:07):
I know.
Um, and I wound up in the EllisCounty jail um in Texas.
Pamela (25:14):
That sounds terrifying.
Josh (25:16):
And I had to spend the night there because you have to
wait for a judge to post youryour bail amount to where you
can actually get out.
And so, because it was themiddle of the night, there was
no judge, and so I had to spendthe night and then the next one.
Pamela (25:28):
I would have been a mess.
Josh (25:30):
I was just and I'd have been oh, I was pissed, but but I
also was intimidated and justlike I I didn't know what I got
myself into, and so I managed towiggle my phone out of my
pocket while because after theyarrest you, they search your
(25:52):
car.
And so I have been arrested.
I'm in the back of this squadcar, and I managed this is in
the days of flip phones, and Imanaged to wiggle my phone out
of my pocket, and I I hadKrista's number programmed on
speed dial.
And so I, if you held down thenumber two, it dialed Krista.
And so I could do it by feel.
(26:12):
So I held down the number two,and I I can't hold the phone up
to my ear, but I I can kind ofsort of hear her.
And I was like, hey, you canhear me, but I can't hear you.
I've just been arrested.
I'm trying to figure out whatwas going on because I didn't
know, even then, I didn't knowwhy I'd been arrested.
They didn't tell me until I wasback, like at the station.
Pamela (26:31):
I've been like, just tell me you're running late.
Like, Jesus.
So I am need this elaboratetale.
Josh (26:39):
Right.
And so I end up just spendingthe night in jail, seeing a
judge the next day, and theypost my bail them outs.
A friend of mine drove down andbailed me out.
Then I had to figure out wheremy car was because they tow it
and impound it.
Pamela (26:53):
Oh geez.
Josh (26:53):
And it was a whole mess.
It's the only time I've everbeen arrested.
Um, and the whole ordeal wasless than 24 hours.
I mean, it was probably lessthan 18 hours, really, but it
was pretty scary for some19-year-old.
You know, so anyway, that's mydriver's license suspended
story.
So pay your fines, people.
Pay your fines.
Pamela (27:14):
Okay.
I'm gonna say this one a littlebit different because no one
says pre-drinks.
Have you ever turned up drunkto pre-game?
Josh (27:23):
Oh, have I pre-gamed the pre-game?
Pamela (27:26):
Yeah.
Josh (27:27):
A little.
I've I've definitely pre-gamedbefore I met up with people to
pre-game and arrived at thepregame going, whoo, I better
Uber.
Like I I haven't done that in avery long time.
And it was where I was it wasin seasons where I was much more
(27:47):
invested in sports.
And so I would, you know, crackopen something while I'm
watching a game before I watchthe game I really care about.
But then I sort of have a fewdrinks throughout the course of
this sports game before the oneI care about, and then yeah,
it's you know.
Pamela (28:04):
I'm really bad about pre-gaming.
I I don't know.
I just I forget and then yeah.
Josh (28:10):
Well, I'll help you.
Um teach me your way.
I know your answer to this, butI'm gonna ask it anyway because
I think it's a good prompt.
Pamela (28:19):
Okay.
Josh (28:20):
Do you get paid too much for what you do?
Pamela (28:24):
I don't get paid at all for what I do.
Josh (28:29):
But when you're like in consulting and stuff like that,
when you're when you're doinglike if you get brought on to do
contract work for people orthings like that, like do you
feel like you are fairlycompensated?
Pamela (28:40):
This is complicated for me because I have spent so much
time feeling like I have to workharder.
And I I think we talked aboutthis with Krista.
Like the whole money thing justmakes me uncomfortable.
(29:01):
Like I've never been good atnegotiating, like I just for a
long time, especially early inmy career, it's like to be paid
to do anything, like to me wasjust like a privilege.
Um, and so I accepted somereally low salaries pretty early
in my career because I justdidn't feel worthy.
(29:26):
Like I I I just I felt like Ihad so much to learn and and so
much experience that I needed togain that I was surprised I was
getting paid to do anything atall.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yeah.
Pamela (29:37):
And then I don't know, it's always been a struggle.
Um, it's still a struggle, evenin consulting where it's just
like I'm asking someone to payme to for my experience and my
expertise.
And like, I don't know, it'sjust it's very just it's a hard
(29:58):
thing to put a numerical value.
Josh (30:00):
On something that feels so personal.
Like I'm I'm trying toespecially like IP.
Pamela (30:06):
Like it's just yeah, I don't know.
We kinda and we kind of talkedabout that with Krista with
painting.
Yeah.
You know, when she started,she's like, how do I even know
what to charge?
Like, same.
Josh (30:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Pamela (30:18):
Like I don't know.
Josh (30:20):
And that's where I have some advantage in that, you
know, the industry that I'm inkind of determines some of those
rates for me.
And so, you know, I know what'son the high end and the low
end, and I try and go for thehigh end.
But um, you know, it's so Ihear what you're saying.
Pamela (30:34):
Yeah, I mean, I have a little of that too, but it's
difficult with how volatile thejob market is right now, it it's
really hard to tell like whatpeople are willing to pay for
certain things, and like um,especially in consulting when
you've got bids and knowing likeyeah, not not having a clue
where you fall, yeah, withinthat.
Josh (30:54):
So that makes a lot of sense.
Pamela (30:56):
Yeah.
I mean, I I can't say I've everfelt like I was paid too much.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yeah.
Pamela (31:02):
Um, I've probably been paid too little, but I'm never
gonna like complain about that.
Yeah, like I don't know.
Josh (31:09):
Yeah, that's fair.
It's weird.
No, that's a really fair fairresponse.
Pamela (31:12):
Have you ever lied about your weight on your driver's
license?
Josh (31:18):
Um no, I don't think so.
I I I've never been in aposition where, and this is I
think this is a uniquely male umthing, but I've never been in a
position where I felt anobligation or I felt any sort of
stress about telling the truthabout my weight.
Like, and I know that that isnot shared among all humans, and
(31:41):
that there's plenty of peoplewho are like, I am 110 pounds.
Um, you know, but it's it'sjust not it doesn't um trigger
my self-conscious mind.
Pamela (31:52):
Um I'm always like it depends.
Where am I in my cycle?
Right.
Yeah, yeah.
Like, did I eat a ton ofMexican last night?
Like, where, yeah, where am I?
Josh (32:04):
Okay, no, that's that's fair.
Pamela (32:05):
Uh and I try to stick with a pretty um median number.
Yeah, like not too high, nottoo low.
I'm like, it's somewhere inthere.
Josh (32:15):
Yeah, yeah.
That that's yeah, uh a range isfair.
Oh, this is interesting.
Okay.
Do you think that you will agewell?
Pamela (32:26):
No.
Josh (32:27):
Really?
Pamela (32:27):
I'm white.
We don't age well.
No, that's fair.
Josh (32:34):
Yeah, it it all starts to unravel at some point.
Pamela (32:38):
No, I'm already starting to like I yeah.
Josh (32:42):
I've I like my odds of having a long life because uh
when I look at my familyhistory, there's a lot of
octogenarians, people livinginto their 90s and stuff like
that.
Like, what what on you for yourfamily?
Like, do people tend to kind oflive well into those later
(33:04):
years, or is that notnecessarily the trend?
Pamela (33:08):
Uh well, on my mom's side of the family, I'm not
sure.
Josh (33:11):
Okay, yeah, that's fair.
Yeah.
Pamela (33:13):
Um my dad's side of the family, I think we're held
together with alcohol andcigarettes.
Like, yeah.
Josh (33:23):
And you're just pickling yourselves from the inside.
Pretty much.
Pamela (33:27):
So uh I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
We'll see.
Josh (33:30):
Yeah.
Pamela (33:30):
I mean, I do think that I everybody kind of pegs me for
a little bit younger than Iactually am, but I think it's
just because I'm so immature.
There's like, there's no wayshe could be in her 40s.
Like, she acts like a dingdong.
Josh (33:49):
That's fair.
Yeah.
So I think I probably get thesame treatment.
Uh being bald ages me up alittle bit.
Um, and I'm starting to getlike some silvers in my beard
and all that, which I've Kristalikes, you know.
I I've heard that it works.
Yeah.
Um, but I uh I definitely thinkthat I look probably my age and
(34:13):
I act half my age.
And and I never really think ofmyself as being 40.
Like I think of myself as stillbeing able to do all the same
things I do in my state.
Pamela (34:23):
I'd peg you for like 38 or 39.
Josh (34:25):
Okay.
Yeah, it's within range.
Pamela (34:27):
Yeah.
Josh (34:27):
Plus or minus a couple years.
Yeah.
But what you got?
Pamela (34:33):
Okay.
I feel like I know the answerto this, but have you ever done
a keg stand?
Josh (34:39):
Oh, no, I don't think so.
Pamela (34:41):
I I I've never understood the appeal of that.
Josh (34:45):
I haven't either.
And and I no, I definitelyhaven't.
Pamela (34:48):
Like not shotgunning a being.
Right, right, right.
Josh (34:52):
But literally getting your legs lifted and doing a keg
stand.
Like, that's that's that's alevel of college partying that I
didn't really do that much.
Like, I for starters, I don'thave a college degree.
Like, I never finished myfour-year degree, and I know I'm
sitting at the table withsomebody who has like nine
degrees, but um, I I neverfinished my undergrad because
(35:13):
and it's a long story for adifferent podcast episode, but
basically, I had a wonderful jobwhen I was in college and had
to make some big life changes,and I needed that job more than
I needed school.
And so, and I'm wayoversimplifying the whole thing,
there's a lot more to it, butum I even the college that I
went to was not really a partyschool.
(35:36):
It was a very engineeringheavy, very intellectual school,
a lot of hyper nerds like me.
And you know, I'm sure thatstuff was going on, but I wasn't
invited to it.
Yeah, and and the experiencesthat I did have in college that
were a little bit rowdy, theyjust it never really got to
anything like that, you know.
Pamela (35:55):
I I had all my college party days after college.
Yeah, yeah.
Josh (35:59):
Oh, I definitely went a little harder after college than
I did in college.
Um and a a little bit in highschool, but not very much.
Um sorry, dad.
Uh I no, it was it high schoolwas still pretty benign too.
It was all pretty undercontrol, but that that was I
probably have my first drink mysenior year in high school.
It's junior year, probably myjunior year in high school.
(36:20):
But uh but now I'm justincriminated.
Pamela (36:22):
Okay, okay, okay.
So what was your first drinkand when?
Josh (36:28):
It was probably a smear-noff ice.
My probably somewhere around myjunior year in high school.
Pamela (36:36):
Yeah, same.
Mine was um probably sophomorejunior year, and we had gone to
the movie theater and watchedsome movie in the middle of the
day that no one was going to bein, and we sat in the back with
a bottle of hot damn.
Josh (36:55):
I'm familiar with hot damn.
Pamela (36:56):
That's hilarious.
Josh (36:58):
Oh my goodness.
Pamela (37:00):
I like it was I'm like, what is so great about this?
Like, I don't I don't get it,but yeah, that that's the
earliest memory.
Josh (37:08):
But yeah, the smearing off ice, and then I had this hookup
uh in high school, this guy whohad an older sibling who would
buy stuff for him.
And that was my first timehaving like actual whiskeys,
bourbons, things like that.
And that was probably more mysenior year in high school, but
I was faking how much I liked itback then.
(37:29):
Like I didn't actually like itat all, but I felt like I was
supposed to.
So I'd be like peer pressures.
This is great, but I doremember my first real beer was
a Budweiser in a bottle that wasoffered to me by the I I had
been invited to hang out withthese older guys that were all
(37:50):
in a band, and they were tryingto write some music, and they
were they were bringing in otherpeople to do like
instrumentalist parts and thingslike that.
And so I showed up to theirrehearsal space, which was
actually really nice and cool,and they were all a good bit
older than me.
Um, I was friends with a coupleof guys in there, um I think
from church, if I'm rememberingcorrectly, but they had a fridge
(38:10):
in their in their rehearsalspace, just stocked with all
sorts of beer and stuff, andthey just offered me one, and
and honestly in my head, I waslike, yeah, sure, why not?
Like and I think I had one, youknow, but that was like my
first real actual non-Smear NovIce beer.
Pamela (38:25):
Um and yeah, that I have a very interesting story with
drinking underage that we'll getinto later.
But um, I would always I wasn'ta fan of drinking because it
actually hurt like it causedpain.
Um, and I never understooduntil probably about a year or
(38:49):
so later with a particulardiagnosis.
Josh (38:51):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Pamela (38:53):
We'll get into that.
Josh (38:54):
Yeah, yeah, but that's a later episode, but but that's
interesting.
Pamela (38:58):
Yeah.
Josh (38:59):
Okay, so would you date somebody who makes half as much
money as you do?
Pamela (39:06):
If they're happy, yes.
Josh (39:09):
That's fair.
Pamela (39:09):
Yeah.
So that was one thing um Joshand I talked about at length,
you know, kind of throughout ourmarriage, was I don't want you
to be killing yourself andstressed out at work for a
paycheck.
I want you to be doingsomething that you enjoy,
(39:31):
something that you know youcreate that makes you happy or
that you're happy with, um, andwhatever that paycheck looks
like, you know, that we'll workour lifestyle around that.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Right.
Pamela (39:44):
Um and yeah, because to me, being happy, you know, not
and I'm not saying like, yes,he's work is stressful and and
all that.
It's not no stress, right?
But it's I want you to enjoywhat you're doing because you
are there you know, more hoursin the day than you are at home
(40:08):
and all of that.
So like I want you to enjoywhat it is that you do, and you
know, if that means that youdon't make a lot, then you know,
it's it's fine, we'll we'llfigure it out.
I mean, I didn't grow up in anaffluent home.
Like we we were pretty likelower middle class.
Um, and you know, we I didn'thave a lot, so I don't need a
(40:30):
lot.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Yeah.
Pamela (40:31):
Um and luckily he's managed to find um a job that he
really, really enjoys.
Josh (40:38):
And he's good at it.
Like it's good at it.
It's fun watching him do whathe does.
Pamela (40:43):
Yeah, and and he's been getting quite a few raises here
lately, so that's been nice.
Josh (40:48):
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, yeah.
It's a shout out to Josh.
Thanks for thanks for beingcool.
Yep.
Um, I I I've never beenterribly concerned about other
people's income.
Like I don't really but I don'tcare how much you know people
make in general.
I I care way more about justuh, you know, are you
(41:09):
contributing to the world aroundyou in meaningful ways?
Are you bringing some good tothe environment that you're in?
And um I've gone through timesin my life where money flowed
and was abundant and you knowthere was extra all over the
place and we could do cool, funthings w without really being
(41:30):
concerned at all about thedollar amount.
And then I've been in otherseasons of life, um some some of
these pretty recently, whereyou know, it was like you know,
we we we just can't do some ofthe things that maybe we became
accustomed to, and and you know,there's a a scaling back
element, and and I've really hadto figure out in my own life
(41:51):
that that's not failure.
Pamela (41:53):
Yeah.
Josh (41:53):
Like and and that's something that that i even
saying it out loud is is it itrolls off the tongue just fine.
It's a whole different thing toactually believe it.
Accept it.
Yeah, and and so and that's youknow, in some ways this year,
that's the season that we'vebeen in.
It's like, you know, it justhasn't been it hasn't been that
abundance, um, which is fine,and I'm not complaining.
(42:15):
I still am very happy in whatI'm doing.
As far as what somebody elsemakes, I just I'm not that's not
a a factor for me and in who Iwould partner myself with.
Um I will own that I am I canbe financially motivated.
I I will own that for myself.
Like I I do try and and bringin sufficient amounts of money
and all of that, like that's apriority for me, but also
(42:37):
sometimes it's just notavailable to me in the way that
I want.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Yeah.
Josh (42:39):
And that's fine.
But well, anyway, let's do allright.
To bring us home, what you got?
Pamela (42:45):
Would you pose as a nude model for an art class?
Josh (42:51):
So per my last conversation, what does it pay?
Like okay, it pays jury dutydollars.
Oh, that's no dollars.
Um I mean, like, I yes, I wouldI would also Would you
volunteer or would you have tobe asked?
(43:11):
I I would need to bespecifically invited and be
like, we need a Nordic lookingbald guy with a beard, you know,
like I'd be like, okay, like Iam your resident Viking, but it
it's Would you have specialrequests?
Pamela (43:31):
Um The temperature needs to be.
Josh (43:35):
Oh yeah, there would be temperature requests.
Uh yeah, I I I would needspecific snacks.
Pamela (43:41):
Uh oh, do you get to pick the poses?
Josh (43:47):
I would want I would want like veto rights on the poses.
Like I don't need to pick them,but I I would need the ability
to be able to go, no, I'm notgonna do that.
Pamela (43:57):
You need to do some of the like JC Penney, like yeah,
exactly.
Josh (44:05):
Like the what was it, the Owen Mills?
Yes, yes, I I we for our nextuh uh for our next podcast photo
update, we should go getglamour shots and like find a
studio that'll be.
Pamela (44:19):
Are those even still open?
Josh (44:20):
No, but we could find somewhere that'll yeah, but no,
I I would if I was invited bypeople that I knew were gonna
hold their laughter, then Iwould I I would probably say
yes, but it would have to be apretty specific set of
circumstances.
But but being being married toa wife that's a visual artist
(44:41):
and you know she's participatedin in stuff like that before,
and like I if someone had a reallike earnest artistic ask, like
we want to do a non becausemost of the time in those
character drawing classes it'sfemales.
And if someone if someone cameto me genuinely, said we're
(45:02):
trying to get outside that usualaesthetic, and I'd be like, you
just want a hairy dude whenokay.
You know, I would under theright circumstances I'd be down,
like because okay, you know,art is art, and I'll I'll
participate in that way ifsomeone is doing it not as a
(45:22):
joke.
Pamela (45:23):
That was a whole journey.
Yeah.
We just went on for uh yes.
Josh (45:28):
Look, you can count on me to over-explain just about
everything.
Pamela (45:32):
Um uh but yeah.
That was that was a good last.
Josh (45:36):
Yeah, it was.
That was that was a great wayto wrap things up.
Uh, once again, we're playingbad choices.
Um, and if you decide to go outand buy this game, you will
find quickly that we areskipping cards.
Um, because we have to playthis with people you trust.
Yeah, play this with peoplethat you want to that you don't
have a problem getting realintimate with.
But um, yeah, we've beenskipping cards just to make sure
(45:57):
that we're following the termsand conditions of the various
distribution platforms we're on.
But um, this is this is a greatway to just shake things up.
Um and this is a great ideathat Pamela had.
I don't want to take credit.
Um this was this was her ideathat I immediately kind of
attached onto.
So um, yeah, go buy it, play itwith people that you're not
scared to be really vulnerablewith.
(46:17):
Um, and yeah, uh, we willcertainly do this again.
Um, but as always, thank youfor uh jumping in with us.
Please like these videos,subscribe to the channels.
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Please do that.
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(46:39):
Yes, they do.
Um, so anyway, thank you somuch for joining us, and we'll
be back in your ear holes withmore ludicrous content like this
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Pamela (46:48):
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thoughts were fully baked andonly mildly regrettable.
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