September 23, 2025 • 45 mins
This week on Premeditated Opinions:
Pamela and Josh test the limits of millennial linguistics: Southern drawls, Steve Irwin narrations of household pets, and why saying “listen” is basically a personality type. We dig into accents, bias, and how a Kentucky-Dallas hybrid can be both “city girl” and “Data Cowgirl,” while still getting side-eyed in tech for elongating vowels.
From there, we spiral (responsibly) into culture: why Southern ≠ simple, how unconscious bias shows up at work, and the surprising pros of sounding like home. Then it’s pop-culture therapy hour: Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce (healthy fame, humility, and the new album we’re manifesting), a love letter to Ted Lasso (camaraderie, feelings, and yes, more tight ends), and a gentle reminder that men cheering during haircuts is peak character development.
Other highlights:
- Accent talk: city vs. rural, Louisville’s “is it Southern or not” identity, and code-switching you don’t notice.
- Learning styles: auditory sponge vs. visual processor (mockingbird impressions included).
- Bias at work: women in tech, Southern stereotypes, and the branding power of Data Cowgirl.
- Swift/Kelce: New Heights podcast, healthy partnership vibes, and why joy news matters right now.
- Ted Lasso returns: endings, loose ends, and how not to overstay your TV welcome.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
But I like introducing Steve Irwin voice as
if we are in the wild with him.
And so if my dog is lookingthrough the window, it'd be
like, we're coming up hard thisevening.
We've got to be careful.
We can do it when I start.
Look at the size of it.
SPEAKER_02 (00:26):
You're listening to Premeditated Opinions, because
yes, we thought about it, andthen we said it anyway.
I'm Pamela.
SPEAKER_00 (00:33):
And I'm Josh, and we are just two people who somehow
share a brain and decided toweaponize our brains with
microphones.
SPEAKER_02 (00:40):
Each week, we unpack the chaos from politics and
religion to petty internetfights and existential dread,
like it's our unpaid job.
SPEAKER_00 (00:48):
We are not experts.
We are just way too confident.
So with all that being said,let's get started.
Why do you talk so weird?
SPEAKER_02 (01:02):
Listen.
SPEAKER_00 (01:02):
Exactly.
What's the history of listen?
Has that just been a Pamelaspecial?
I
SPEAKER_02 (01:14):
don't know.
I feel like I don't know whereit came from.
It's been a...
A thing.
I know at least since we movedhere.
SPEAKER_00 (01:22):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (01:24):
I don't know.
I
SPEAKER_00 (01:25):
don't know.
I very much enjoy it.
SPEAKER_02 (01:27):
So I honestly didn't even pick up on it until I think
you said something about it.
And I was like, and then it justhas become a thing that now I'm
aware of.
SPEAKER_00 (01:37):
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I didn't know that the Genesiswas after you moved.
I thought maybe that was aKentucky thing.
Listen.
I
SPEAKER_02 (01:47):
don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (01:48):
Yeah.
Well, so, I mean, to that end...
We now are in a podcast wherepeople are hearing your voice
with some regularity, and you'vegotten some attention for the
way that you sound.
What's that like for you?
What's
SPEAKER_02 (02:05):
funny is I didn't even really realize I had an
accent until I moved here, and Istarted working with people up
in the Northeast.
SPEAKER_00 (02:15):
Oh, yay.
And
SPEAKER_02 (02:15):
then they started pointing it out, and I'm like, I
don't know what you're
SPEAKER_00 (02:19):
talking
SPEAKER_02 (02:19):
about.
Because I've always been, Iguess, insulated to Louisville.
And then it kind of just becamea thing.
So I can't hear it.
Sometimes I can.
But I just feel like I'm talkingjust like you.
I don't know.
(02:40):
But I will say, when I gohome...
It thickens.
And when I'm animated, like whenI'm unhinged and on one, it'll
tend to...
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:59):
It crops back up a little bit, intensifies.
SPEAKER_02 (03:01):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (03:02):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (03:03):
And the only time I've heard it is I was really
nervous and I did a...
One of my very first YouTubevideos when I was trying to do
Breakout as a YouTube star.
I recorded myself for the firsttime on my phone and I was
(03:26):
nervous.
And when I played it back, I waslike, oh, my God, is that what I
sound like?
UNKNOWN (03:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (03:31):
And my husband was like, well, it's a little
thicker than usual.
I was like, I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (03:37):
Do you hear Josh's accent?
SPEAKER_02 (03:43):
Josh has an accent?
Yes,
SPEAKER_00 (03:45):
he does.
He does?
Like,
SPEAKER_02 (03:47):
it's...
I mean...
I feel like Josh sounds like anold country guy.
He's got a very kind of raspy,like, I don't know.
No,
SPEAKER_00 (04:01):
it's definitely there.
Y'alls are a little different,but I always enjoy it.
I think it's a lot of fun.
So what I'm curious about, soyou say you can't hear an accent
for yourself and it sounds likefor Josh.
SPEAKER_02 (04:16):
Not in the moment.
SPEAKER_00 (04:17):
Sure, sure.
Do you think...
I have an accent or other justTexans in general.
Like, do you hear itdifferently?
Cause I don't, I definitely amin the same camp as you and that
I don't think I can hear my own,but I'm told, um, that I speak
with an accent, but I wasn'teven born here.
I've just lived here a long
SPEAKER_02 (04:34):
time.
So listen, I can only hear anaccent if it's thicker than
mine.
And there are distinct accents.
So Louisville has a distinctaccent.
Tennessee has a distinct accent.
Texas has a distinct accent.
(04:54):
I think part of the issue isI've always been in the city.
SPEAKER_00 (04:58):
Okay, yeah.
Rural Texas is its own thing forsure.
Yes.
And
SPEAKER_02 (05:01):
so there's a difference when you live in the
city and there's that accent andthen you get to more rural
areas.
UNKNOWN (05:13):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (05:13):
Because I remember being a freshman, and I went to
ROTC camp.
And there were some girls therefrom Muhlenberg County.
And I was like, and it wasthick.
And I came home with a thickaccent.
My parents were like, you don'ttalk like that.
(05:35):
And so it diluted over time.
And I think being here, it hasdiluted a little bit more.
Like I said, when I go backhome, it's different.
I don't know.
Like I don't even know if myparents have an accent.
Like I can't hear it.
SPEAKER_00 (05:54):
Yeah.
UNKNOWN (05:55):
Like...
SPEAKER_02 (05:56):
I can hear a very Northern accent.
It's kind of one of those.
If you're from a specific area,like Boston
SPEAKER_00 (06:02):
or
SPEAKER_02 (06:03):
Brooklyn or Minnesota.
SPEAKER_00 (06:07):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (06:07):
Um,
SPEAKER_00 (06:08):
very distinctive.
Those easy to pick.
I
SPEAKER_02 (06:10):
can pick up, but most people just sound normal.
SPEAKER_00 (06:13):
Well, and so I, I've enjoyed goofing around with
accents, um, like just asentertainment almost, uh, which
I've, I've done a decent amount.
So my, my kids love it when Ido, uh, Bruce the Shark from
Finding Nemo.
Hello.
My name's Bruce.
It's been three weeks since mylast fish on me honour.
(06:33):
I made my head be chopped offand made into glue.
They like all that stuff.
It is.
SPEAKER_02 (06:38):
I love it.
I love it.
Because that is not an easyaccent.
SPEAKER_00 (06:44):
Yeah.
Australian is its own thing.
I like doing Steve Irwin becauseI'm so excited about everything
he was doing.
But I like introducing SteveIrwin voice like as if we are in
the wild with him and so like ifmy dog is looking through the
window it'd be like we're comingup behind this evil we gotta be
(07:05):
careful we don't want to startleit who the saw is it
SPEAKER_02 (07:12):
oh it's so much fun
SPEAKER_00 (07:12):
and I do that with tremendous respect and affection
in my heart for the late SteveIrwin who is a treasure please
no one here disrespect I am amassive fan his children are
amazing his wife is amazingwe're just
SPEAKER_02 (07:25):
culturally appropriating
SPEAKER_00 (07:28):
it it's fine right but honestly I think he'd have a
laugh so it's fine yeah but Ilike so I have this weird thing
I'm a very auditory learner andum It serves me very well.
It served me well in school.
I can listen to a lecture,retain a lot from that lecture.
I am a note taker as well, butmost of the way that I absorb
information is auditory.
(07:49):
That's so
SPEAKER_02 (07:50):
wild because I'm the complete opposite.
I'm a visual.
I have to see it.
And sometimes I will close myeyes in order to visualize what
someone is telling me because Ican't.
I
SPEAKER_00 (08:02):
totally get that.
I think it's just the nature ofthe fact that I've been such a
long time musician and that'sjust the way that my brain
collects data.
A weird little byproduct of thatis if I am immersed in an
environment that has an accent,I will start to involuntarily do
(08:24):
it.
I am not trying to.
It is subconscious.
I don't realize it at first.
There was this time I had goneto England on my way to
somewhere else.
I had a long layover there and Iactually missed a flight.
It's a different story for adifferent podcast episode.
(08:46):
It was quite the ordeal.
I was in London for a littlemore than a day and was trying
to get to Kenya.
I was by myself and I've justbeen around the Brits all day.
And I was in an elevator.
(09:07):
And the elevator opened.
And I had bags with me and allthis stuff.
And I was trying to get off theelevator.
And I almost ran into thisperson that was on the other
side because I'm wrestling thesebig bags that I had with me.
And I swear to you, I heard thiscome out of my mouth.
And I was like, whoa.
(09:27):
I looked at this person.
I go, I'm sorry.
And it's like, no, no, no, no,no, no, no.
What am I doing?
What am I doing?
My bad.
Yeah.
But it's completely involuntary,but it also can be fun because I
can absorb
SPEAKER_02 (09:43):
accents.
Well, and that's an accent, Ithink, because it is English and
we hear it so much and Canadianaccents and things like that.
I think that would be kind ofeasy to pick up, but you're not
going to hear me picking up aMandarin accent or a Russian
accent or...
And I don't know.
(10:04):
I don't know why that is.
But there are just certain onesthat...
You
SPEAKER_00 (10:09):
should probably try it live on the air right now.
I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'mkidding, I'm kidding, I'm
SPEAKER_02 (10:13):
kidding.
Listen.
SPEAKER_00 (10:16):
No, I hear you, though.
And a lot of those...
So a lot of the...
more intense sort of heavyaccents like Russian, like
Scots, Irish, um, like, um,There are parts of that accent
(10:37):
that I can mimic, but it's sointense that I have to hear it
first, and if I hear it, I cando it back to you.
But it's not something that Ican always just...
So you're
SPEAKER_02 (10:47):
a mockingbird.
SPEAKER_00 (10:48):
Basically, yeah.
Exactly that.
But I really enjoy all that.
So for you, kind of coming up inthe part of the world that you
did, is it ever a deterrent Isthe accent ever a liability?
Especially for somebody...
I say this not at allsarcastically, but someone with
(11:12):
just a weapons-grade brain likeyou have, which you absolutely
do.
You're a brilliant human being.
But there are some stereotypesaround the way that that sounds.
And I wonder if that ever was aproblem.
SPEAKER_02 (11:28):
And I'm guilty of it as well.
So...
You know, we launched thepodcast this week and it's so
funny because a lot of thefeedback I got was, wow, your
accent, like your accent, youraccent.
And I was like, oh, okay.
So I remember in high school inJROTC courses, we had, they
(11:53):
would teach us life skills andwe had, we went through the
junior achievement curriculum.
And one of the things that oursergeant majors had told us was
basically to drop our accentsonce we hit college and career
age like because you will losecredibility having a southern
(12:17):
accent people see it as you'reless intelligent and he's like
so you know work on it and we'relike okay so I'm supposed to
learn how to drop my accent inLouisville
SPEAKER_00 (12:34):
and
SPEAKER_02 (12:34):
Like, okay.
What sense does this make?
Someone with my accent istelling me not to have my accent
and to drop it, and I'm like,what's step two?
I don't know what to do here.
(12:54):
And even then, I never heard it.
I never picked up on it.
It really became apparent, one,when I started working with
consultants who were outside ofthe country and they would have
trouble understanding what I wassaying.
And that was kind ofmind-boggling for me because I'm
(13:17):
like, I don't understand why youcan't understand what I'm
saying.
When I...
started working as a consultant.
And again, just working withdifferent people around the
world, that's one thing thatwould always come up is my
accent, my accent.
So, you know, I don't know if ithas ever...
(13:39):
been an issue.
I haven't received any feedbacksaying your accent's a problem
or anything like that.
But I do believe that there is aperception.
And you could be an astronomeror you could work at SpaceX.
(14:02):
You could be a rocket scientist.
You could be a brain surgeon.
But if you sound like me...
People are going to questionyour ability.
They're going to question whatyou know.
And sometimes I have wondered ifthat has held me back before,
even just subconsciously,unconsciously.
(14:25):
I don't know.
But one of the reasons why Istarted the Data Cowgirl brand
is because I kind of wanted tocreate a space for...
Women in particular, but it'sreally, you know, open.
But to create a space for reallyintelligent women, you know, can
(14:50):
be in the tech field or not.
Yes.
Right.
Right.
(15:14):
But we are from the South.
We are Southern.
SPEAKER_00 (15:18):
Well, and it's a feature, not a bug.
There's some really wonderfultraits that tend to permeate
people from the South that makethem very desirable to be
employees, to be on teams, todevelop products and content and
all of that.
There's a work ethic thattypically comes with a lot of
(15:38):
people from the South.
There's a friendliness, ahumanitarian leaning that comes
with a lot of people from theSouth.
And that, I think, is awonderful thing to have
alongside you in a professionalenvironment.
And so it's a bummer that theaccent can steer people a
different direction and allowfor a lot of...
SPEAKER_02 (16:03):
Thank
SPEAKER_00 (16:04):
you.
Yes.
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (16:05):
So, and I want to comment on that, that I have
noticed that a lot of times whenpeople hear that I'm from the
South, which I don't even know,like Kentucky has always been on
the fence.
SPEAKER_00 (16:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (16:22):
Like they're Southern when it benefits them
and they're Northern when itbenefits them.
But they were reallySwitzerland.
But...
When people hear my accent, theyautomatically assume that I'm
probably Republican, I'mprobably a Christian, you know,
all of these things that aretypically associated with...
(16:46):
The South.
SPEAKER_00 (16:46):
Right.
You only listen to bro countrymusic.
SPEAKER_02 (16:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (16:49):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (16:50):
And I'm not saying that I don't participate in some
of those assumptions, but that'snot me.
SPEAKER_00 (16:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (17:00):
Like, I'm...
I guess that's one good thingabout Louisville is, you know,
with it being such an indiecity, like, I really didn't grow
up in what felt like the South.
SPEAKER_00 (17:12):
That's interesting.
SPEAKER_02 (17:13):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I definitely grew up feelinglike I was a city girl.
Yeah,
SPEAKER_00 (17:19):
I can see that.
Yeah.
And, you know, the insulation ofbeing in an environment like
that and...
But also with it having such anindie bend, I could see how you
would benefit from sort ofmultiple perspectives.
Like, you know, there's still asouthern hospitality element to
(17:39):
things, but there's also a we'regoing to do things our own way
and in a way that makes sensefor us and all that, which I
really appreciate.
SPEAKER_02 (17:48):
Well, and I feel like there's a little bit of
this unconscious...
bias I guess where going alongwith the stereotype that
southerners are typically bluecollar
SPEAKER_00 (18:02):
right
SPEAKER_02 (18:03):
and then the northerners are the white collar
SPEAKER_00 (18:05):
right those northern elites
SPEAKER_02 (18:06):
exactly so we you know you're looked at as a hard
worker but maybe not necessarilythe smart and it's like I'm a
work smarter, not harder everyday.
SPEAKER_00 (18:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (18:21):
Like I am.
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (18:25):
Yeah.
I'm with you on all of that.
And I think that there's, I, I,I, I love that you have such an
identifiable trait.
I think that's a lot of fun.
It sucks that it has been aliability in some ways, and it
sucks that anyone who soundslike they're from the South
(18:46):
might have to try and explainthemselves or have more ground
to cover before people take themseriously.
Yeah,
SPEAKER_02 (18:53):
and then you fold in...
Being a woman in tech, it kindof just feels like one more
thing stacked against
SPEAKER_00 (19:02):
me to gain
SPEAKER_02 (19:04):
credibility.
SPEAKER_00 (19:05):
I always thought that your branding around the
data cowgirl was really freakingsmart because it definitely
differentiates you from freakingeverybody that I've seen within
the professional circles thatyou run in.
But I also...
you know, right at the front ofit is data.
(19:25):
And so there's, there's thisimplication of, yes, I am
Southern and I like my boots andmy hats and, and, you know, I, I
enjoy this part of the cultureand I have a lot of things to
offer professionally and, and,and an asset to whatever team
that I'm on.
And I've always thought yourbranding around that was really,
really smart.
Um, and so, yeah, shamelessplug.
(19:47):
If you're not following thedata, cowgirl on sub stack, you
need to go do that right now.
Pause this episode, go hitfollow, then come back to this
episode.
Um, But yeah, I...
I was born in the PacificNorthwest, actually.
Yeah, I was born in Boise,Idaho, but I wasn't there for
very long.
And then I went, kind of bouncedaround a lot as a kid, then
(20:08):
landed in Texas when I was nine,I think.
And we moved a ton before that,actually.
Lived in several differentstates.
And for me, there wasn't everenough consistency of me being
in one place to pick up anaccent as a kid.
And I think that that has sortof...
(20:28):
uh, created a situation as anadult where I don't have what I
think is a super distinguishableaccent, even though some people
will tell me otherwise.
Um, I think I sound prettyneutral, but then again, like I
was talking about, I tend toabsorb whatever I'm around.
And so like I hang out with youand Josh enough and I find
(20:49):
myself saying, I'm gonna, andsprinkling in my own listens,
uh, you know, because it'seffective.
It's, you know, uh, I like it,but I also, I think it's
interesting that that's gottenso much attention since we've
launched this podcast and Icould see how that would be both
(21:09):
something that is endearing andkind of fun for you and
something that is highlightingmaybe, uh, Maybe it's something
sensitive.
SPEAKER_02 (21:19):
Yeah, I mean, it's fine.
It is what it is.
I can't really change it.
I mean, I guess I could try.
SPEAKER_00 (21:24):
What would that be like?
Do you think you could actually–you don't have to do it now.
No, but I'm asking the question,if you focused on it enough, do
you actually think it'ssomething that you could change?
SPEAKER_02 (21:35):
Maybe, but here's the thing.
I don't know.
what to change.
SPEAKER_00 (21:42):
Ah, okay.
SPEAKER_02 (21:44):
Like, I don't know how...
Like, I don't know how toexplain it.
Like, I've been told I elongatemy eyes.
So that's something.
But even then, I struggle.
Like, okay, my friend Mike loveswhen I would say, so we worked
together at True Summit.
(22:05):
Okay.
And we had this one girl thatworked with us.
And every time I said her name,he would just, he'd be so
tickled.
I, though, don't hear.
SPEAKER_00 (22:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (22:18):
What?
So.
SPEAKER_00 (22:21):
So if you can't hear it, how do you fix it?
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (22:23):
So her name is M-A-Y-A.
SPEAKER_00 (22:27):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (22:28):
Maya.
SPEAKER_00 (22:30):
Maya.
SPEAKER_01 (22:30):
Maya.
SPEAKER_00 (22:32):
Maya.
SPEAKER_01 (22:33):
Maya.
SPEAKER_00 (22:34):
Okay.
I feel like you're skipping asyllable, but it's fine.
SPEAKER_01 (22:38):
Maya.
Maya.
SPEAKER_00 (22:42):
God, I hope she's listening.
She might be.
But no, that's...
See, to me, that's all just fun.
Like, it's never...
But like,
SPEAKER_02 (22:51):
I don't know how to...
Maya.
SPEAKER_00 (22:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (22:53):
Maya.
Maya.
I can't.
I can't.
SPEAKER_00 (22:57):
The word's about to become a sound.
It is.
Ted Lasso style.
SPEAKER_02 (23:00):
Yep.
SPEAKER_00 (23:02):
Okay, so...
So
SPEAKER_02 (23:03):
listen.
SPEAKER_00 (23:03):
Exactly.
So how much did the engagementof Travis Kelsey and Taylor
Swift change your life?
SPEAKER_02 (23:16):
I'm so excited.
I feel like we manifested that.
SPEAKER_00 (23:19):
We probably did.
I
SPEAKER_02 (23:20):
feel like we did.
We talked about it, and then...
Well, we didn't talk about theengagement, but we talked about
her, and that's close enough.
SPEAKER_00 (23:27):
Right, exactly.
Yeah.
We brought the right energy tothe situation.
Even
SPEAKER_02 (23:30):
though they were already engaged, that's beside
the point.
No, I'm excited.
To me...
Normally, this is not somethingI would put a lot of stock into.
Just like with the royalweddings.
SPEAKER_01 (23:46):
Sure.
SPEAKER_02 (23:47):
I'm like, oh, that's cute.
That's cool.
Whatever.
But I think, honestly, I thinkit goes back to the climate.
And this is something that canbring us some joy.
Yeah.
Yes.
And distract us a little bitfrom the hot mess.
(24:08):
that is happening in Washingtonright now.
And so I look forward to it.
I mean, I love her.
SPEAKER_00 (24:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (24:17):
And he seems like a great guy.
You know, I listened to thepodcast, their New Heights
episode, and I just, it was fun.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:28):
You
SPEAKER_02 (24:29):
know, and I'll be honest, I've not paid much
attention to Travis Kelsey.
I just have no need or desireto.
Yeah, totally.
And I always thought it was alittle odd because I was
stereotyping football players inmy mind.
So I remember just thinking,like, this is an odd match.
SPEAKER_00 (24:52):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (24:53):
Like, I wonder...
I know what the appeal is forher.
Sure.
Or, like, toward her.
I don't know what the appeal istoward him.
SPEAKER_00 (25:02):
Sure.
SPEAKER_02 (25:04):
But after listening to that podcast, I was like,
okay, I get it.
Like, he just seems like adown-to-earth, normal dude.
SPEAKER_00 (25:13):
Well, and honestly, both Travis and Jason Kelsey,
who Jason Kelsey had, I think, a14-year NFL career.
I mean, multiple times in thePro Bowl.
That dude, you know, he's alegit athlete by himself.
And then, I mean, obviously itruns in the family.
And so, um,
SPEAKER_02 (25:30):
I mean, they, they, they can't, they come off as
your typical, just Midwesternguys, Midwestern family.
Um, he doesn't seem, at leastfrom what I could tell, he
doesn't seem full of hubris.
SPEAKER_00 (25:46):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (25:46):
You know, he's got humility.
He's, he can laugh at himself,which is, you know, one of my
favorite things.
Uh, Yeah, they just seem like areally– they just seem happy.
SPEAKER_00 (25:59):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (26:00):
And
SPEAKER_00 (26:01):
for the level of fame that really both of them
are at, but specifically Taylor,the level of fame that she's at
means that absolutely everythingis under a microscope.
Absolutely everything isscrutinized and talked about.
She can't hardly blow her nosewithout people wanting to
analyze her actions.
(26:22):
I think
SPEAKER_02 (26:22):
people just want somebody to hate.
I think they just– She's an easytarget.
And so when people are feelinginsecure about themselves, they
just sling mud at her.
And the great thing about her isshe just lets it fall off.
She's just like, whatever.
SPEAKER_00 (26:40):
We've obviously talked about her on another
recent episode, so I don't wantto rehash all of that.
But at the same time, this iskind of big news, especially for
anyone who's following aAmerican pop culture, but I
enjoy the fact that they seem towork at just being normal people
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within these really ridiculouslives that they live.
And I think, and you know, Idon't have any actual facts to
back this up, but it seems likethey're the types who would
almost laugh at their ownexistence a little bit.
It's like, can you believe thatthis is the things that we get
to do?
And, and Travis Kelsey, likejust him as an athlete is, He
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doesn't have Taylor's wealth byany stretch, but make no
mistake, that dude is one of thebest paid players in the NFL.
He is a stellar tight end.
I
SPEAKER_02 (27:47):
don't know why
SPEAKER_00 (27:48):
that tickles me.
Do you want me to talk moreabout his tight end?
All by himself, he is famous.
And all by himself, he is verywealthy.
And all by himself, he has beenand won multiple Super Bowls
like in whatever category youwant to put him in he is one of
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the best in the game and so forhim to have the humility to be
like no I'm going to matchmyself up alongside somebody who
is famous on a level he willnever achieve who has wealth on
a level that he probably willnever achieve And for him to be
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so openly supportive of her andkind of a fan of hers...
I actually think is kind of anamazing model.
Like,
SPEAKER_02 (28:40):
so I will say, and I know you haven't finished.
So on the podcast, he talksabout showing up on one of her
shows.
He's on stage.
He looks out and he isoverwhelmed by the size of the
crowd.
This is a guy who's won multipleSuperbowls and is still
(29:03):
intimidated by being on stagewith her and hit, actually being
able to see somewhat through hereyes of what a superstar she is
and what...
the amount of pressure being onthat stage looks like.
And the way that he kind ofdescribes just his admiration.
SPEAKER_00 (29:27):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (29:28):
And he may not describe it, but you can hear it
in what he's saying on thepodcast of just he knows.
He knows his place.
SPEAKER_00 (29:41):
But again, what a great example.
Yeah.
He is...
And
SPEAKER_02 (29:47):
he's willing to embrace it.
SPEAKER_00 (29:48):
Yes, absolutely.
And he's
SPEAKER_02 (29:49):
embracing it, and he doesn't look at...
I think the thing I'm mostimpressed by, at least from what
I can see, again, I don't knowthese people, never met them,
this could all just be asmokescreen, but...
(30:10):
He doesn't let it make himinsecure.
SPEAKER_00 (30:13):
Yes, 100%.
SPEAKER_02 (30:14):
Like he is not out there cutting her down, making
her feel small.
Like he is encouraging andboosting and supporting and all
of these things for her.
So I kind of glimpsed that whenI was listening to the podcast,
and that garnered a lot ofrespect.
SPEAKER_00 (30:32):
Yeah.
Yeah, and he also, you know,it's very clear that their
families are close.
Like, you know, they talked alot about that in the podcast
and there's a...
A whole segment that they talkabout some health struggles that
Taylor's family went through.
And it just seems like, sure, isshe a billionaire?
(30:55):
Yes, she is.
She has wealth beyond what I canimagine.
And fame beyond what I canimagine that, honestly, I'm
wildly uninterested in.
I can't even imagine walkingthrough life with that level of
fame.
No, thank you.
But...
they've also just had somereally human experiences that
seem like it's kind of pushedthem closer together.
And I'm not trying to do likesome long expository, uh,
(31:19):
segment on their relationship.
But at the same time, I, I standby the fact that I think it's a
pretty good example for a lot ofpeople like my nine year old
daughter who really idolizeTaylor Swift.
And, um, you know have listenedto endless hours of her music
and all of that and now it seemslike at least from the outside
(31:41):
looking in and obviously wedon't know the ins and outs but
from the outside looking in itseems like she's in a reasonably
healthy certainly happyrelationship with another very
famous person and they seem tobe just figuring it out in a way
that kind of gives me a littlebit of hope.
(32:03):
And I
SPEAKER_02 (32:04):
think that's why I'm so excited about this.
I'm genuinely thrilled
SPEAKER_00 (32:08):
for
SPEAKER_02 (32:09):
them and looking forward to...
you know, what comes.
SPEAKER_00 (32:14):
Yeah.
Well, and if she's provenanything, she's proven that she
writes about her life.
She cranks out.
SPEAKER_02 (32:21):
Oh, that next album's going to be juicy.
SPEAKER_00 (32:23):
Oh, man.
I think it's going to be allsorts of new and a little bit
different.
SPEAKER_02 (32:29):
It's going to be like fights in the kitchen and
he didn't make the bed.
He
SPEAKER_00 (32:36):
left my car with no gas in it.
Oh, Jesus.
SPEAKER_02 (32:39):
That is cardinal sin.
SPEAKER_00 (32:43):
No.
Yeah.
I mean, it is an interesting,like, just pop culture element.
And I...
There's been some dialoguearound Travis Kelsey being dumb.
And...
Maybe he is.
I don't know.
I remember watching the parade acouple years ago after the
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Chiefs won the Super Bowl, andhe got on the mic, and he was
obviously drunk, and he wascelebrating with his teammates
for winning a Super Bowl.
Heaven forbid.
Exactly.
That was kind of my attitude.
I was like, well, yeah.
What do you expect?
This dude has been just workinghis tight end off.
(33:28):
He's been working so hard.
Sir! He's been working so hardand he's celebrating with
teammates and it's a specialkind of moment for these dudes
who've been working really hard.
I couldn't care less if you'redrunk at your celebration.
(33:49):
Whatever.
Don't drive.
Uber home and as long as that'shappening then I don't really
care.
But there's There's somethingabout the dumb jock stereotype.
Sure, from the outside lookingin, it seems to kind of fit
(34:09):
Travis Kelsey to some degree.
And at the same time, I'm not atall convinced that that is who
he actually is.
And I want to be cautiousabout...
Taking away something that isinherently a good thing by
trying to cheapen it withanalysis of him in that way.
(34:32):
And what I mean by that is...
So one of my favorite TV showsof all time is Ted Lasso.
SPEAKER_02 (34:38):
Oh, yes.
SPEAKER_00 (34:39):
It's greatness.
SPEAKER_02 (34:40):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (34:41):
And we could do whole segments on Ted Lasso, and
maybe we should.
But...
One thing about that show thatI've thought about a lot is I
think that that show celebratessome of the most fun parts of
being a guy.
and some of the most fun partsabout being a guy on a team and
doing things alongside otherguys who are all trying to kind
(35:04):
of move in this common directionwith this common goal in mind,
and the camaraderie that comesout of that, the relationship
that comes out of that, theconflict and the conflict
resolution that comes out ofthat.
And so there's all thesenarratives throughout the course
of that TV show where you sortof have somebody who is– having
(35:26):
a problem and then findsreconciliation.
And there's also moments of thatshow that come across as kind of
silly, but in reality, it's oneof the best parts of being a
dude.
Like, I've been a guy on sportsteams.
I've been a guy in bands andthings like that where we're all
together kind of moving towardsthis common thing.
And there's a scene in Ted Lassothat I love that it's where...
(35:51):
the team captain gives a haircutto one of the other players in
preparation for this playergoing on a date.
And it's this big deal becausethe captain of the team doesn't
really give out these haircutsvery often.
It's sort of a special deal.
And so every time he like makesa move with his clippers, like
(36:12):
the rest of the guys in the roomare yelling and celebrating and
throwing their hands.
And it's silly and it'sridiculous.
And you know what?
It's freaking awesome.
Like it's, that is theridiculous way that men can
connect.
And we struggle with thatinherently anyway.
And so I'm always a little bithesitant to downplay, you know,
(36:37):
somebody like a Travis Kelseywho, yeah, on the surface, does
he seem a little bit like a dumbjock?
Yes, he does.
That's if I'm just going toembrace this stereotype for what
it is.
Yes.
From the outside looking in, butalso for starters, There's some
real camaraderie andrelationship that comes out of
the kind of life that he haschosen to lead.
There's some real conflictresolution.
(37:00):
There's some real struggle.
There's some real overcoming alot of hurdles to get to the
point in his career where he is.
So whether or not he's thesmartest guy in the room, he's
going to be one of the hardestworking.
And isn't that...
a pretty awesome starting pointfor a healthy relationship like
(37:22):
I might not have all the answersbut I'm willing to work with you
on it I'm willing to listen towhat you have to say and
consider those things I'mwilling to listen to leadership
like coaches and things likethat and take advice like I just
I'm not convinced that he isthis downgrade that people kind
of paint him as because I thinka lot of the experiences that
(37:45):
he's had are part of why hecould be successful in this kind
of relationship.
SPEAKER_02 (37:50):
Okay, let's be honest.
If Taylor Swift...
was looking for someone justlike her, she ain't gonna find
it.
SPEAKER_00 (37:59):
Right, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (37:59):
Okay?
So, you know, already there's animpossible bar
SPEAKER_00 (38:06):
if
SPEAKER_02 (38:07):
that's what she was looking for.
SPEAKER_00 (38:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (38:09):
But that's not, she doesn't want someone just like
her.
Right.
Like, she doesn't care about anyof those things.
Right.
And it's apparent in the factthat, like, yeah, I mean, he's
still, you know, famous and allof these things, but I think
that if she found someone likehim Right.
You know?
Okay.
(38:30):
You know, like for her, it's notabout...
stature and all of all of thosethings
SPEAKER_00 (38:37):
we've done a long segment on Taylor Swift and
Travis Kelsey and that wasn'tnecessarily my intention but at
the same time I really I thinkthere's kind of some interesting
stuff to talk about and ithelped me bring up Ted Lasso
which is also just
SPEAKER_02 (38:50):
so yeah the new season's coming out
SPEAKER_00 (38:53):
right okay so how are we feeling I have I have
opinions how do you feel
SPEAKER_02 (38:57):
I'm excited
SPEAKER_00 (38:58):
okay
SPEAKER_02 (38:59):
because I just I love this show I do feel like
Like there were some loose ends.
SPEAKER_00 (39:05):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (39:06):
And I would like to see those kind of tied up.
I don't know.
Is this supposed to be a lastseason or?
SPEAKER_00 (39:15):
Off the top of my head, I don't know.
SPEAKER_02 (39:17):
Okay.
Okay.
So, but I am leery because, youknow, a lot of great shows end
up, overstaying their welcome
SPEAKER_00 (39:29):
a million percent
SPEAKER_02 (39:30):
and you know I one of my favorite series is The
Office and after about season Ithink they should have cut it at
season five or six yeah oncethey started pulling in like
Will Ferrell and all that likeit's just and Michael Scott left
like it just kind of went offthe rails
SPEAKER_00 (39:50):
yeah
SPEAKER_02 (39:51):
and I'm like we're losing the plot here yeah but
you know people love the show.
And same thing with Game ofThrones.
I love Game of Thrones.
That last season pissed me offso bad because they rushed
through it.
SPEAKER_00 (40:07):
And
SPEAKER_02 (40:08):
I'm like, I would have rather you just not
produced it than to throwtogether that piece of crap.
Like I was furious.
Furious.
Because it was evident that itwas rushed.
And so I guess I'm a littleleery and that I want to make
(40:30):
sure they do it right.
SPEAKER_00 (40:31):
Yeah.
Well, and I have someconfidence.
So I I'm going to nerd out onthe show for just a minute.
But so Brett Goldstein is theactor who plays Roy Kent.
He is also one of the executiveproducers of the show and one of
the developers and writers forit.
And that guy is brilliant.
His
SPEAKER_02 (40:50):
standup is really good.
So
SPEAKER_00 (40:52):
good.
He's so funny.
SPEAKER_02 (40:53):
And you see him as Roy and then you see him and I'm
like, My brain is having troublethat these two are the same
people.
SPEAKER_00 (41:02):
Absolutely.
So the fact that he's stillinvolved gives me some
confidence.
I was ready, even with the looseends...
I was ready for them to be doneafter that final season only
because I felt like they hadcaught lightning in a bottle so
much.
(41:24):
And I was like, oh, man, don't.
I agree with every word yousaid.
Don't overstay your welcome.
We can let this be great and endit and leave us wanting more,
and that is a good thing.
In many ways, one of my favoriteTV shows of all time is Breaking
Bad.
Breaking Bad did that.
It ended after five seasons, andit ends brilliant Now, they did
(41:46):
tie up a bunch of loose ends,but it left me wanting more.
And that show also, like...
Man, they would come out ofnowhere and just hit me in the
feels sometimes and just make methink about...
There's a line I have stolenfrom that show many, many times.
I think it's at the end of thefirst season and they all just
(42:10):
lost the match that they wereplaying.
And Ted's in the locker room andhe says, there's something worse
than being sad.
And it's being alone and sad.
And none of y'all are alone.
And I think about that once aweek.
I think that is so poignant andgood.
(42:32):
And so that show really has aspecial place for me.
SPEAKER_02 (42:37):
Same.
Yes, same.
There is nothing like it.
The fact that you can go fromsplitting side laughing to
crying
SPEAKER_00 (42:50):
in
SPEAKER_02 (42:50):
the same episode.
UNKNOWN (42:52):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_02 (42:53):
And it's done just so well.
SPEAKER_00 (42:56):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (42:56):
So, so well.
SPEAKER_00 (42:58):
And I know you and I, because we've talked about it
before, I know you and I are onslightly different sides of Juno
Temple's character, Keeley.
And I hear the critique, and Iknow that she can be a little
annoying and intense, butactually one of my favorite
parts of that show are some ofthe different relational
dynamics, and I love therelationship that they establish
(43:20):
between her character andRebecca.
Yeah,
SPEAKER_02 (43:24):
so I will say that was...
Toward the end of that season...
when we got to see a little moreof a human side to Healy, like I
liked her a bit more, but Ijust, I don't know.
There's something about, I don'tknow if it's the character.
Yeah.
I don't want to say it's theactress, but there's just
(43:46):
something that just kind of inthe early just graded me.
Yeah.
Graded my skin.
I'm like,
SPEAKER_00 (43:53):
yeah.
Well, if you haven't watched TedLasso, you need to get yourself
an Apple TV plus subscriptionjust for that.
Like it's three seasons.
You'll haul through.
of it it's absolute greatnessand yeah it'll
SPEAKER_02 (44:05):
change your life
SPEAKER_00 (44:05):
it will change your life yeah I mean honestly like I
think about that show I do tooan obscene amount so yeah that's
that's worth your time andfootball season's about to start
so it's gonna be lots of tightends in our future and we've got
that to look forward to
SPEAKER_02 (44:22):
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But I like introducing Steve Irwin voice as
if we are in the wild with him.
And so if my dog is lookingthrough the window, it'd be
like, we're coming up hard thisevening.
We've got to be careful.
We can do it when I start.
Look at the size of it.
SPEAKER_02 (00:26):
You're listening to Premeditated Opinions, because
yes, we thought about it, andthen we said it anyway.
I'm Pamela.
SPEAKER_00 (00:33):
And I'm Josh, and we are just two people who somehow
share a brain and decided toweaponize our brains with
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SPEAKER_02 (00:40):
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SPEAKER_00 (00:48):
We are not experts.
We are just way too confident.
So with all that being said,let's get started.
Why do you talk so weird?
SPEAKER_02 (01:02):
Listen.
SPEAKER_00 (01:02):
Exactly.
What's the history of listen?
Has that just been a Pamelaspecial?
I
SPEAKER_02 (01:14):
don't know.
I feel like I don't know whereit came from.
It's been a...
A thing.
I know at least since we movedhere.
SPEAKER_00 (01:22):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (01:24):
I don't know.
I
SPEAKER_00 (01:25):
don't know.
I very much enjoy it.
SPEAKER_02 (01:27):
So I honestly didn't even pick up on it until I think
you said something about it.
And I was like, and then it justhas become a thing that now I'm
aware of.
SPEAKER_00 (01:37):
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I didn't know that the Genesiswas after you moved.
I thought maybe that was aKentucky thing.
Listen.
I
SPEAKER_02 (01:47):
don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (01:48):
Yeah.
Well, so, I mean, to that end...
We now are in a podcast wherepeople are hearing your voice
with some regularity, and you'vegotten some attention for the
way that you sound.
What's that like for you?
What's
SPEAKER_02 (02:05):
funny is I didn't even really realize I had an
accent until I moved here, and Istarted working with people up
in the Northeast.
SPEAKER_00 (02:15):
Oh, yay.
And
SPEAKER_02 (02:15):
then they started pointing it out, and I'm like, I
don't know what you're
SPEAKER_00 (02:19):
talking
SPEAKER_02 (02:19):
about.
Because I've always been, Iguess, insulated to Louisville.
And then it kind of just becamea thing.
So I can't hear it.
Sometimes I can.
But I just feel like I'm talkingjust like you.
I don't know.
(02:40):
But I will say, when I gohome...
It thickens.
And when I'm animated, like whenI'm unhinged and on one, it'll
tend to...
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:59):
It crops back up a little bit, intensifies.
SPEAKER_02 (03:01):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (03:02):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (03:03):
And the only time I've heard it is I was really
nervous and I did a...
One of my very first YouTubevideos when I was trying to do
Breakout as a YouTube star.
I recorded myself for the firsttime on my phone and I was
(03:26):
nervous.
And when I played it back, I waslike, oh, my God, is that what I
sound like?
UNKNOWN (03:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (03:31):
And my husband was like, well, it's a little
thicker than usual.
I was like, I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (03:37):
Do you hear Josh's accent?
SPEAKER_02 (03:43):
Josh has an accent?
Yes,
SPEAKER_00 (03:45):
he does.
He does?
Like,
SPEAKER_02 (03:47):
it's...
I mean...
I feel like Josh sounds like anold country guy.
He's got a very kind of raspy,like, I don't know.
No,
SPEAKER_00 (04:01):
it's definitely there.
Y'alls are a little different,but I always enjoy it.
I think it's a lot of fun.
So what I'm curious about, soyou say you can't hear an accent
for yourself and it sounds likefor Josh.
SPEAKER_02 (04:16):
Not in the moment.
SPEAKER_00 (04:17):
Sure, sure.
Do you think...
I have an accent or other justTexans in general.
Like, do you hear itdifferently?
Cause I don't, I definitely amin the same camp as you and that
I don't think I can hear my own,but I'm told, um, that I speak
with an accent, but I wasn'teven born here.
I've just lived here a long
SPEAKER_02 (04:34):
time.
So listen, I can only hear anaccent if it's thicker than
mine.
And there are distinct accents.
So Louisville has a distinctaccent.
Tennessee has a distinct accent.
Texas has a distinct accent.
(04:54):
I think part of the issue isI've always been in the city.
SPEAKER_00 (04:58):
Okay, yeah.
Rural Texas is its own thing forsure.
Yes.
And
SPEAKER_02 (05:01):
so there's a difference when you live in the
city and there's that accent andthen you get to more rural
areas.
UNKNOWN (05:13):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (05:13):
Because I remember being a freshman, and I went to
ROTC camp.
And there were some girls therefrom Muhlenberg County.
And I was like, and it wasthick.
And I came home with a thickaccent.
My parents were like, you don'ttalk like that.
(05:35):
And so it diluted over time.
And I think being here, it hasdiluted a little bit more.
Like I said, when I go backhome, it's different.
I don't know.
Like I don't even know if myparents have an accent.
Like I can't hear it.
SPEAKER_00 (05:54):
Yeah.
UNKNOWN (05:55):
Like...
SPEAKER_02 (05:56):
I can hear a very Northern accent.
It's kind of one of those.
If you're from a specific area,like Boston
SPEAKER_00 (06:02):
or
SPEAKER_02 (06:03):
Brooklyn or Minnesota.
SPEAKER_00 (06:07):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (06:07):
Um,
SPEAKER_00 (06:08):
very distinctive.
Those easy to pick.
I
SPEAKER_02 (06:10):
can pick up, but most people just sound normal.
SPEAKER_00 (06:13):
Well, and so I, I've enjoyed goofing around with
accents, um, like just asentertainment almost, uh, which
I've, I've done a decent amount.
So my, my kids love it when Ido, uh, Bruce the Shark from
Finding Nemo.
Hello.
My name's Bruce.
It's been three weeks since mylast fish on me honour.
(06:33):
I made my head be chopped offand made into glue.
They like all that stuff.
It is.
SPEAKER_02 (06:38):
I love it.
I love it.
Because that is not an easyaccent.
SPEAKER_00 (06:44):
Yeah.
Australian is its own thing.
I like doing Steve Irwin becauseI'm so excited about everything
he was doing.
But I like introducing SteveIrwin voice like as if we are in
the wild with him and so like ifmy dog is looking through the
window it'd be like we're comingup behind this evil we gotta be
(07:05):
careful we don't want to startleit who the saw is it
SPEAKER_02 (07:12):
oh it's so much fun
SPEAKER_00 (07:12):
and I do that with tremendous respect and affection
in my heart for the late SteveIrwin who is a treasure please
no one here disrespect I am amassive fan his children are
amazing his wife is amazingwe're just
SPEAKER_02 (07:25):
culturally appropriating
SPEAKER_00 (07:28):
it it's fine right but honestly I think he'd have a
laugh so it's fine yeah but Ilike so I have this weird thing
I'm a very auditory learner andum It serves me very well.
It served me well in school.
I can listen to a lecture,retain a lot from that lecture.
I am a note taker as well, butmost of the way that I absorb
information is auditory.
(07:49):
That's so
SPEAKER_02 (07:50):
wild because I'm the complete opposite.
I'm a visual.
I have to see it.
And sometimes I will close myeyes in order to visualize what
someone is telling me because Ican't.
I
SPEAKER_00 (08:02):
totally get that.
I think it's just the nature ofthe fact that I've been such a
long time musician and that'sjust the way that my brain
collects data.
A weird little byproduct of thatis if I am immersed in an
environment that has an accent,I will start to involuntarily do
(08:24):
it.
I am not trying to.
It is subconscious.
I don't realize it at first.
There was this time I had goneto England on my way to
somewhere else.
I had a long layover there and Iactually missed a flight.
It's a different story for adifferent podcast episode.
(08:46):
It was quite the ordeal.
I was in London for a littlemore than a day and was trying
to get to Kenya.
I was by myself and I've justbeen around the Brits all day.
And I was in an elevator.
(09:07):
And the elevator opened.
And I had bags with me and allthis stuff.
And I was trying to get off theelevator.
And I almost ran into thisperson that was on the other
side because I'm wrestling thesebig bags that I had with me.
And I swear to you, I heard thiscome out of my mouth.
And I was like, whoa.
(09:27):
I looked at this person.
I go, I'm sorry.
And it's like, no, no, no, no,no, no, no.
What am I doing?
What am I doing?
My bad.
Yeah.
But it's completely involuntary,but it also can be fun because I
can absorb
SPEAKER_02 (09:43):
accents.
Well, and that's an accent, Ithink, because it is English and
we hear it so much and Canadianaccents and things like that.
I think that would be kind ofeasy to pick up, but you're not
going to hear me picking up aMandarin accent or a Russian
accent or...
And I don't know.
(10:04):
I don't know why that is.
But there are just certain onesthat...
You
SPEAKER_00 (10:09):
should probably try it live on the air right now.
I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'mkidding, I'm kidding, I'm
SPEAKER_02 (10:13):
kidding.
Listen.
SPEAKER_00 (10:16):
No, I hear you, though.
And a lot of those...
So a lot of the...
more intense sort of heavyaccents like Russian, like
Scots, Irish, um, like, um,There are parts of that accent
(10:37):
that I can mimic, but it's sointense that I have to hear it
first, and if I hear it, I cando it back to you.
But it's not something that Ican always just...
So you're
SPEAKER_02 (10:47):
a mockingbird.
SPEAKER_00 (10:48):
Basically, yeah.
Exactly that.
But I really enjoy all that.
So for you, kind of coming up inthe part of the world that you
did, is it ever a deterrent Isthe accent ever a liability?
Especially for somebody...
I say this not at allsarcastically, but someone with
(11:12):
just a weapons-grade brain likeyou have, which you absolutely
do.
You're a brilliant human being.
But there are some stereotypesaround the way that that sounds.
And I wonder if that ever was aproblem.
SPEAKER_02 (11:28):
And I'm guilty of it as well.
So...
You know, we launched thepodcast this week and it's so
funny because a lot of thefeedback I got was, wow, your
accent, like your accent, youraccent.
And I was like, oh, okay.
So I remember in high school inJROTC courses, we had, they
(11:53):
would teach us life skills andwe had, we went through the
junior achievement curriculum.
And one of the things that oursergeant majors had told us was
basically to drop our accentsonce we hit college and career
age like because you will losecredibility having a southern
(12:17):
accent people see it as you'reless intelligent and he's like
so you know work on it and we'relike okay so I'm supposed to
learn how to drop my accent inLouisville
SPEAKER_00 (12:34):
and
SPEAKER_02 (12:34):
Like, okay.
What sense does this make?
Someone with my accent istelling me not to have my accent
and to drop it, and I'm like,what's step two?
I don't know what to do here.
(12:54):
And even then, I never heard it.
I never picked up on it.
It really became apparent, one,when I started working with
consultants who were outside ofthe country and they would have
trouble understanding what I wassaying.
And that was kind ofmind-boggling for me because I'm
(13:17):
like, I don't understand why youcan't understand what I'm
saying.
When I...
started working as a consultant.
And again, just working withdifferent people around the
world, that's one thing thatwould always come up is my
accent, my accent.
So, you know, I don't know if ithas ever...
(13:39):
been an issue.
I haven't received any feedbacksaying your accent's a problem
or anything like that.
But I do believe that there is aperception.
And you could be an astronomeror you could work at SpaceX.
(14:02):
You could be a rocket scientist.
You could be a brain surgeon.
But if you sound like me...
People are going to questionyour ability.
They're going to question whatyou know.
And sometimes I have wondered ifthat has held me back before,
even just subconsciously,unconsciously.
(14:25):
I don't know.
But one of the reasons why Istarted the Data Cowgirl brand
is because I kind of wanted tocreate a space for...
Women in particular, but it'sreally, you know, open.
But to create a space for reallyintelligent women, you know, can
(14:50):
be in the tech field or not.
Yes.
Right.
Right.
(15:14):
But we are from the South.
We are Southern.
SPEAKER_00 (15:18):
Well, and it's a feature, not a bug.
There's some really wonderfultraits that tend to permeate
people from the South that makethem very desirable to be
employees, to be on teams, todevelop products and content and
all of that.
There's a work ethic thattypically comes with a lot of
(15:38):
people from the South.
There's a friendliness, ahumanitarian leaning that comes
with a lot of people from theSouth.
And that, I think, is awonderful thing to have
alongside you in a professionalenvironment.
And so it's a bummer that theaccent can steer people a
different direction and allowfor a lot of...
SPEAKER_02 (16:03):
Thank
SPEAKER_00 (16:04):
you.
Yes.
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (16:05):
So, and I want to comment on that, that I have
noticed that a lot of times whenpeople hear that I'm from the
South, which I don't even know,like Kentucky has always been on
the fence.
SPEAKER_00 (16:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (16:22):
Like they're Southern when it benefits them
and they're Northern when itbenefits them.
But they were reallySwitzerland.
But...
When people hear my accent, theyautomatically assume that I'm
probably Republican, I'mprobably a Christian, you know,
all of these things that aretypically associated with...
(16:46):
The South.
SPEAKER_00 (16:46):
Right.
You only listen to bro countrymusic.
SPEAKER_02 (16:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (16:49):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (16:50):
And I'm not saying that I don't participate in some
of those assumptions, but that'snot me.
SPEAKER_00 (16:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (17:00):
Like, I'm...
I guess that's one good thingabout Louisville is, you know,
with it being such an indiecity, like, I really didn't grow
up in what felt like the South.
SPEAKER_00 (17:12):
That's interesting.
SPEAKER_02 (17:13):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I definitely grew up feelinglike I was a city girl.
Yeah,
SPEAKER_00 (17:19):
I can see that.
Yeah.
And, you know, the insulation ofbeing in an environment like
that and...
But also with it having such anindie bend, I could see how you
would benefit from sort ofmultiple perspectives.
Like, you know, there's still asouthern hospitality element to
(17:39):
things, but there's also a we'regoing to do things our own way
and in a way that makes sensefor us and all that, which I
really appreciate.
SPEAKER_02 (17:48):
Well, and I feel like there's a little bit of
this unconscious...
bias I guess where going alongwith the stereotype that
southerners are typically bluecollar
SPEAKER_00 (18:02):
right
SPEAKER_02 (18:03):
and then the northerners are the white collar
SPEAKER_00 (18:05):
right those northern elites
SPEAKER_02 (18:06):
exactly so we you know you're looked at as a hard
worker but maybe not necessarilythe smart and it's like I'm a
work smarter, not harder everyday.
SPEAKER_00 (18:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (18:21):
Like I am.
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (18:25):
Yeah.
I'm with you on all of that.
And I think that there's, I, I,I, I love that you have such an
identifiable trait.
I think that's a lot of fun.
It sucks that it has been aliability in some ways, and it
sucks that anyone who soundslike they're from the South
(18:46):
might have to try and explainthemselves or have more ground
to cover before people take themseriously.
Yeah,
SPEAKER_02 (18:53):
and then you fold in...
Being a woman in tech, it kindof just feels like one more
thing stacked against
SPEAKER_00 (19:02):
me to gain
SPEAKER_02 (19:04):
credibility.
SPEAKER_00 (19:05):
I always thought that your branding around the
data cowgirl was really freakingsmart because it definitely
differentiates you from freakingeverybody that I've seen within
the professional circles thatyou run in.
But I also...
you know, right at the front ofit is data.
(19:25):
And so there's, there's thisimplication of, yes, I am
Southern and I like my boots andmy hats and, and, you know, I, I
enjoy this part of the cultureand I have a lot of things to
offer professionally and, and,and an asset to whatever team
that I'm on.
And I've always thought yourbranding around that was really,
really smart.
Um, and so, yeah, shamelessplug.
(19:47):
If you're not following thedata, cowgirl on sub stack, you
need to go do that right now.
Pause this episode, go hitfollow, then come back to this
episode.
Um, But yeah, I...
I was born in the PacificNorthwest, actually.
Yeah, I was born in Boise,Idaho, but I wasn't there for
very long.
And then I went, kind of bouncedaround a lot as a kid, then
(20:08):
landed in Texas when I was nine,I think.
And we moved a ton before that,actually.
Lived in several differentstates.
And for me, there wasn't everenough consistency of me being
in one place to pick up anaccent as a kid.
And I think that that has sortof...
(20:28):
uh, created a situation as anadult where I don't have what I
think is a super distinguishableaccent, even though some people
will tell me otherwise.
Um, I think I sound prettyneutral, but then again, like I
was talking about, I tend toabsorb whatever I'm around.
And so like I hang out with youand Josh enough and I find
(20:49):
myself saying, I'm gonna, andsprinkling in my own listens,
uh, you know, because it'seffective.
It's, you know, uh, I like it,but I also, I think it's
interesting that that's gottenso much attention since we've
launched this podcast and Icould see how that would be both
(21:09):
something that is endearing andkind of fun for you and
something that is highlightingmaybe, uh, Maybe it's something
sensitive.
SPEAKER_02 (21:19):
Yeah, I mean, it's fine.
It is what it is.
I can't really change it.
I mean, I guess I could try.
SPEAKER_00 (21:24):
What would that be like?
Do you think you could actually–you don't have to do it now.
No, but I'm asking the question,if you focused on it enough, do
you actually think it'ssomething that you could change?
SPEAKER_02 (21:35):
Maybe, but here's the thing.
I don't know.
what to change.
SPEAKER_00 (21:42):
Ah, okay.
SPEAKER_02 (21:44):
Like, I don't know how...
Like, I don't know how toexplain it.
Like, I've been told I elongatemy eyes.
So that's something.
But even then, I struggle.
Like, okay, my friend Mike loveswhen I would say, so we worked
together at True Summit.
(22:05):
Okay.
And we had this one girl thatworked with us.
And every time I said her name,he would just, he'd be so
tickled.
I, though, don't hear.
SPEAKER_00 (22:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (22:18):
What?
So.
SPEAKER_00 (22:21):
So if you can't hear it, how do you fix it?
Exactly.
SPEAKER_02 (22:23):
So her name is M-A-Y-A.
SPEAKER_00 (22:27):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (22:28):
Maya.
SPEAKER_00 (22:30):
Maya.
SPEAKER_01 (22:30):
Maya.
SPEAKER_00 (22:32):
Maya.
SPEAKER_01 (22:33):
Maya.
SPEAKER_00 (22:34):
Okay.
I feel like you're skipping asyllable, but it's fine.
SPEAKER_01 (22:38):
Maya.
Maya.
SPEAKER_00 (22:42):
God, I hope she's listening.
She might be.
But no, that's...
See, to me, that's all just fun.
Like, it's never...
But like,
SPEAKER_02 (22:51):
I don't know how to...
Maya.
SPEAKER_00 (22:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (22:53):
Maya.
Maya.
I can't.
I can't.
SPEAKER_00 (22:57):
The word's about to become a sound.
It is.
Ted Lasso style.
SPEAKER_02 (23:00):
Yep.
SPEAKER_00 (23:02):
Okay, so...
So
SPEAKER_02 (23:03):
listen.
SPEAKER_00 (23:03):
Exactly.
So how much did the engagementof Travis Kelsey and Taylor
Swift change your life?
SPEAKER_02 (23:16):
I'm so excited.
I feel like we manifested that.
SPEAKER_00 (23:19):
We probably did.
I
SPEAKER_02 (23:20):
feel like we did.
We talked about it, and then...
Well, we didn't talk about theengagement, but we talked about
her, and that's close enough.
SPEAKER_00 (23:27):
Right, exactly.
Yeah.
We brought the right energy tothe situation.
Even
SPEAKER_02 (23:30):
though they were already engaged, that's beside
the point.
No, I'm excited.
To me...
Normally, this is not somethingI would put a lot of stock into.
Just like with the royalweddings.
SPEAKER_01 (23:46):
Sure.
SPEAKER_02 (23:47):
I'm like, oh, that's cute.
That's cool.
Whatever.
But I think, honestly, I thinkit goes back to the climate.
And this is something that canbring us some joy.
Yeah.
Yes.
And distract us a little bitfrom the hot mess.
(24:08):
that is happening in Washingtonright now.
And so I look forward to it.
I mean, I love her.
SPEAKER_00 (24:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (24:17):
And he seems like a great guy.
You know, I listened to thepodcast, their New Heights
episode, and I just, it was fun.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:28):
You
SPEAKER_02 (24:29):
know, and I'll be honest, I've not paid much
attention to Travis Kelsey.
I just have no need or desireto.
Yeah, totally.
And I always thought it was alittle odd because I was
stereotyping football players inmy mind.
So I remember just thinking,like, this is an odd match.
SPEAKER_00 (24:52):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (24:53):
Like, I wonder...
I know what the appeal is forher.
Sure.
Or, like, toward her.
I don't know what the appeal istoward him.
SPEAKER_00 (25:02):
Sure.
SPEAKER_02 (25:04):
But after listening to that podcast, I was like,
okay, I get it.
Like, he just seems like adown-to-earth, normal dude.
SPEAKER_00 (25:13):
Well, and honestly, both Travis and Jason Kelsey,
who Jason Kelsey had, I think, a14-year NFL career.
I mean, multiple times in thePro Bowl.
That dude, you know, he's alegit athlete by himself.
And then, I mean, obviously itruns in the family.
And so, um,
SPEAKER_02 (25:30):
I mean, they, they, they can't, they come off as
your typical, just Midwesternguys, Midwestern family.
Um, he doesn't seem, at leastfrom what I could tell, he
doesn't seem full of hubris.
SPEAKER_00 (25:46):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (25:46):
You know, he's got humility.
He's, he can laugh at himself,which is, you know, one of my
favorite things.
Uh, Yeah, they just seem like areally– they just seem happy.
SPEAKER_00 (25:59):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (26:00):
And
SPEAKER_00 (26:01):
for the level of fame that really both of them
are at, but specifically Taylor,the level of fame that she's at
means that absolutely everythingis under a microscope.
Absolutely everything isscrutinized and talked about.
She can't hardly blow her nosewithout people wanting to
analyze her actions.
(26:22):
I think
SPEAKER_02 (26:22):
people just want somebody to hate.
I think they just– She's an easytarget.
And so when people are feelinginsecure about themselves, they
just sling mud at her.
And the great thing about her isshe just lets it fall off.
She's just like, whatever.
SPEAKER_00 (26:40):
We've obviously talked about her on another
recent episode, so I don't wantto rehash all of that.
But at the same time, this iskind of big news, especially for
anyone who's following aAmerican pop culture, but I
enjoy the fact that they seem towork at just being normal people
(27:08):
within these really ridiculouslives that they live.
And I think, and you know, Idon't have any actual facts to
back this up, but it seems likethey're the types who would
almost laugh at their ownexistence a little bit.
It's like, can you believe thatthis is the things that we get
to do?
And, and Travis Kelsey, likejust him as an athlete is, He
(27:34):
doesn't have Taylor's wealth byany stretch, but make no
mistake, that dude is one of thebest paid players in the NFL.
He is a stellar tight end.
I
SPEAKER_02 (27:47):
don't know why
SPEAKER_00 (27:48):
that tickles me.
Do you want me to talk moreabout his tight end?
All by himself, he is famous.
And all by himself, he is verywealthy.
And all by himself, he has beenand won multiple Super Bowls
like in whatever category youwant to put him in he is one of
(28:09):
the best in the game and so forhim to have the humility to be
like no I'm going to matchmyself up alongside somebody who
is famous on a level he willnever achieve who has wealth on
a level that he probably willnever achieve And for him to be
(28:32):
so openly supportive of her andkind of a fan of hers...
I actually think is kind of anamazing model.
Like,
SPEAKER_02 (28:40):
so I will say, and I know you haven't finished.
So on the podcast, he talksabout showing up on one of her
shows.
He's on stage.
He looks out and he isoverwhelmed by the size of the
crowd.
This is a guy who's won multipleSuperbowls and is still
(29:03):
intimidated by being on stagewith her and hit, actually being
able to see somewhat through hereyes of what a superstar she is
and what...
the amount of pressure being onthat stage looks like.
And the way that he kind ofdescribes just his admiration.
SPEAKER_00 (29:27):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (29:28):
And he may not describe it, but you can hear it
in what he's saying on thepodcast of just he knows.
He knows his place.
SPEAKER_00 (29:41):
But again, what a great example.
Yeah.
He is...
And
SPEAKER_02 (29:47):
he's willing to embrace it.
SPEAKER_00 (29:48):
Yes, absolutely.
And he's
SPEAKER_02 (29:49):
embracing it, and he doesn't look at...
I think the thing I'm mostimpressed by, at least from what
I can see, again, I don't knowthese people, never met them,
this could all just be asmokescreen, but...
(30:10):
He doesn't let it make himinsecure.
SPEAKER_00 (30:13):
Yes, 100%.
SPEAKER_02 (30:14):
Like he is not out there cutting her down, making
her feel small.
Like he is encouraging andboosting and supporting and all
of these things for her.
So I kind of glimpsed that whenI was listening to the podcast,
and that garnered a lot ofrespect.
SPEAKER_00 (30:32):
Yeah.
Yeah, and he also, you know,it's very clear that their
families are close.
Like, you know, they talked alot about that in the podcast
and there's a...
A whole segment that they talkabout some health struggles that
Taylor's family went through.
And it just seems like, sure, isshe a billionaire?
(30:55):
Yes, she is.
She has wealth beyond what I canimagine.
And fame beyond what I canimagine that, honestly, I'm
wildly uninterested in.
I can't even imagine walkingthrough life with that level of
fame.
No, thank you.
But...
they've also just had somereally human experiences that
seem like it's kind of pushedthem closer together.
And I'm not trying to do likesome long expository, uh,
(31:19):
segment on their relationship.
But at the same time, I, I standby the fact that I think it's a
pretty good example for a lot ofpeople like my nine year old
daughter who really idolizeTaylor Swift.
And, um, you know have listenedto endless hours of her music
and all of that and now it seemslike at least from the outside
(31:41):
looking in and obviously wedon't know the ins and outs but
from the outside looking in itseems like she's in a reasonably
healthy certainly happyrelationship with another very
famous person and they seem tobe just figuring it out in a way
that kind of gives me a littlebit of hope.
(32:03):
And I
SPEAKER_02 (32:04):
think that's why I'm so excited about this.
I'm genuinely thrilled
SPEAKER_00 (32:08):
for
SPEAKER_02 (32:09):
them and looking forward to...
you know, what comes.
SPEAKER_00 (32:14):
Yeah.
Well, and if she's provenanything, she's proven that she
writes about her life.
She cranks out.
SPEAKER_02 (32:21):
Oh, that next album's going to be juicy.
SPEAKER_00 (32:23):
Oh, man.
I think it's going to be allsorts of new and a little bit
different.
SPEAKER_02 (32:29):
It's going to be like fights in the kitchen and
he didn't make the bed.
He
SPEAKER_00 (32:36):
left my car with no gas in it.
Oh, Jesus.
SPEAKER_02 (32:39):
That is cardinal sin.
SPEAKER_00 (32:43):
No.
Yeah.
I mean, it is an interesting,like, just pop culture element.
And I...
There's been some dialoguearound Travis Kelsey being dumb.
And...
Maybe he is.
I don't know.
I remember watching the parade acouple years ago after the
(33:04):
Chiefs won the Super Bowl, andhe got on the mic, and he was
obviously drunk, and he wascelebrating with his teammates
for winning a Super Bowl.
Heaven forbid.
Exactly.
That was kind of my attitude.
I was like, well, yeah.
What do you expect?
This dude has been just workinghis tight end off.
(33:28):
He's been working so hard.
Sir! He's been working so hardand he's celebrating with
teammates and it's a specialkind of moment for these dudes
who've been working really hard.
I couldn't care less if you'redrunk at your celebration.
(33:49):
Whatever.
Don't drive.
Uber home and as long as that'shappening then I don't really
care.
But there's There's somethingabout the dumb jock stereotype.
Sure, from the outside lookingin, it seems to kind of fit
(34:09):
Travis Kelsey to some degree.
And at the same time, I'm not atall convinced that that is who
he actually is.
And I want to be cautiousabout...
Taking away something that isinherently a good thing by
trying to cheapen it withanalysis of him in that way.
(34:32):
And what I mean by that is...
So one of my favorite TV showsof all time is Ted Lasso.
SPEAKER_02 (34:38):
Oh, yes.
SPEAKER_00 (34:39):
It's greatness.
SPEAKER_02 (34:40):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (34:41):
And we could do whole segments on Ted Lasso, and
maybe we should.
But...
One thing about that show thatI've thought about a lot is I
think that that show celebratessome of the most fun parts of
being a guy.
and some of the most fun partsabout being a guy on a team and
doing things alongside otherguys who are all trying to kind
(35:04):
of move in this common directionwith this common goal in mind,
and the camaraderie that comesout of that, the relationship
that comes out of that, theconflict and the conflict
resolution that comes out ofthat.
And so there's all thesenarratives throughout the course
of that TV show where you sortof have somebody who is– having
(35:26):
a problem and then findsreconciliation.
And there's also moments of thatshow that come across as kind of
silly, but in reality, it's oneof the best parts of being a
dude.
Like, I've been a guy on sportsteams.
I've been a guy in bands andthings like that where we're all
together kind of moving towardsthis common thing.
And there's a scene in Ted Lassothat I love that it's where...
(35:51):
the team captain gives a haircutto one of the other players in
preparation for this playergoing on a date.
And it's this big deal becausethe captain of the team doesn't
really give out these haircutsvery often.
It's sort of a special deal.
And so every time he like makesa move with his clippers, like
(36:12):
the rest of the guys in the roomare yelling and celebrating and
throwing their hands.
And it's silly and it'sridiculous.
And you know what?
It's freaking awesome.
Like it's, that is theridiculous way that men can
connect.
And we struggle with thatinherently anyway.
And so I'm always a little bithesitant to downplay, you know,
(36:37):
somebody like a Travis Kelseywho, yeah, on the surface, does
he seem a little bit like a dumbjock?
Yes, he does.
That's if I'm just going toembrace this stereotype for what
it is.
Yes.
From the outside looking in, butalso for starters, There's some
real camaraderie andrelationship that comes out of
the kind of life that he haschosen to lead.
There's some real conflictresolution.
(37:00):
There's some real struggle.
There's some real overcoming alot of hurdles to get to the
point in his career where he is.
So whether or not he's thesmartest guy in the room, he's
going to be one of the hardestworking.
And isn't that...
a pretty awesome starting pointfor a healthy relationship like
(37:22):
I might not have all the answersbut I'm willing to work with you
on it I'm willing to listen towhat you have to say and
consider those things I'mwilling to listen to leadership
like coaches and things likethat and take advice like I just
I'm not convinced that he isthis downgrade that people kind
of paint him as because I thinka lot of the experiences that
(37:45):
he's had are part of why hecould be successful in this kind
of relationship.
SPEAKER_02 (37:50):
Okay, let's be honest.
If Taylor Swift...
was looking for someone justlike her, she ain't gonna find
it.
SPEAKER_00 (37:59):
Right, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (37:59):
Okay?
So, you know, already there's animpossible bar
SPEAKER_00 (38:06):
if
SPEAKER_02 (38:07):
that's what she was looking for.
SPEAKER_00 (38:08):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (38:09):
But that's not, she doesn't want someone just like
her.
Right.
Like, she doesn't care about anyof those things.
Right.
And it's apparent in the factthat, like, yeah, I mean, he's
still, you know, famous and allof these things, but I think
that if she found someone likehim Right.
You know?
Okay.
(38:30):
You know, like for her, it's notabout...
stature and all of all of thosethings
SPEAKER_00 (38:37):
we've done a long segment on Taylor Swift and
Travis Kelsey and that wasn'tnecessarily my intention but at
the same time I really I thinkthere's kind of some interesting
stuff to talk about and ithelped me bring up Ted Lasso
which is also just
SPEAKER_02 (38:50):
so yeah the new season's coming out
SPEAKER_00 (38:53):
right okay so how are we feeling I have I have
opinions how do you feel
SPEAKER_02 (38:57):
I'm excited
SPEAKER_00 (38:58):
okay
SPEAKER_02 (38:59):
because I just I love this show I do feel like
Like there were some loose ends.
SPEAKER_00 (39:05):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (39:06):
And I would like to see those kind of tied up.
I don't know.
Is this supposed to be a lastseason or?
SPEAKER_00 (39:15):
Off the top of my head, I don't know.
SPEAKER_02 (39:17):
Okay.
Okay.
So, but I am leery because, youknow, a lot of great shows end
up, overstaying their welcome
SPEAKER_00 (39:29):
a million percent
SPEAKER_02 (39:30):
and you know I one of my favorite series is The
Office and after about season Ithink they should have cut it at
season five or six yeah oncethey started pulling in like
Will Ferrell and all that likeit's just and Michael Scott left
like it just kind of went offthe rails
SPEAKER_00 (39:50):
yeah
SPEAKER_02 (39:51):
and I'm like we're losing the plot here yeah but
you know people love the show.
And same thing with Game ofThrones.
I love Game of Thrones.
That last season pissed me offso bad because they rushed
through it.
SPEAKER_00 (40:07):
And
SPEAKER_02 (40:08):
I'm like, I would have rather you just not
produced it than to throwtogether that piece of crap.
Like I was furious.
Furious.
Because it was evident that itwas rushed.
And so I guess I'm a littleleery and that I want to make
(40:30):
sure they do it right.
SPEAKER_00 (40:31):
Yeah.
Well, and I have someconfidence.
So I I'm going to nerd out onthe show for just a minute.
But so Brett Goldstein is theactor who plays Roy Kent.
He is also one of the executiveproducers of the show and one of
the developers and writers forit.
And that guy is brilliant.
His
SPEAKER_02 (40:50):
standup is really good.
So
SPEAKER_00 (40:52):
good.
He's so funny.
SPEAKER_02 (40:53):
And you see him as Roy and then you see him and I'm
like, My brain is having troublethat these two are the same
people.
SPEAKER_00 (41:02):
Absolutely.
So the fact that he's stillinvolved gives me some
confidence.
I was ready, even with the looseends...
I was ready for them to be doneafter that final season only
because I felt like they hadcaught lightning in a bottle so
much.
(41:24):
And I was like, oh, man, don't.
I agree with every word yousaid.
Don't overstay your welcome.
We can let this be great and endit and leave us wanting more,
and that is a good thing.
In many ways, one of my favoriteTV shows of all time is Breaking
Bad.
Breaking Bad did that.
It ended after five seasons, andit ends brilliant Now, they did
(41:46):
tie up a bunch of loose ends,but it left me wanting more.
And that show also, like...
Man, they would come out ofnowhere and just hit me in the
feels sometimes and just make methink about...
There's a line I have stolenfrom that show many, many times.
I think it's at the end of thefirst season and they all just
(42:10):
lost the match that they wereplaying.
And Ted's in the locker room andhe says, there's something worse
than being sad.
And it's being alone and sad.
And none of y'all are alone.
And I think about that once aweek.
I think that is so poignant andgood.
(42:32):
And so that show really has aspecial place for me.
SPEAKER_02 (42:37):
Same.
Yes, same.
There is nothing like it.
The fact that you can go fromsplitting side laughing to
crying
SPEAKER_00 (42:50):
in
SPEAKER_02 (42:50):
the same episode.
UNKNOWN (42:52):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_02 (42:53):
And it's done just so well.
SPEAKER_00 (42:56):
Yes.
SPEAKER_02 (42:56):
So, so well.
SPEAKER_00 (42:58):
And I know you and I, because we've talked about it
before, I know you and I are onslightly different sides of Juno
Temple's character, Keeley.
And I hear the critique, and Iknow that she can be a little
annoying and intense, butactually one of my favorite
parts of that show are some ofthe different relational
dynamics, and I love therelationship that they establish
(43:20):
between her character andRebecca.
Yeah,
SPEAKER_02 (43:24):
so I will say that was...
Toward the end of that season...
when we got to see a little moreof a human side to Healy, like I
liked her a bit more, but Ijust, I don't know.
There's something about, I don'tknow if it's the character.
Yeah.
I don't want to say it's theactress, but there's just
(43:46):
something that just kind of inthe early just graded me.
Yeah.
Graded my skin.
I'm like,
SPEAKER_00 (43:53):
yeah.
Well, if you haven't watched TedLasso, you need to get yourself
an Apple TV plus subscriptionjust for that.
Like it's three seasons.
You'll haul through.
of it it's absolute greatnessand yeah it'll
SPEAKER_02 (44:05):
change your life
SPEAKER_00 (44:05):
it will change your life yeah I mean honestly like I
think about that show I do tooan obscene amount so yeah that's
that's worth your time andfootball season's about to start
so it's gonna be lots of tightends in our future and we've got
that to look forward to
SPEAKER_02 (44:22):
so I see what you did there well that's it for
premeditated opinions where thethoughts were fully baked and
only mildly regrettable
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having truly excellent taste inpodcasts and also opinions
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