August 18, 2025 • 20 mins
This podcast episode delves into the profound transformations that accompany perimenopause and menopause, emphasizing that these changes are not merely hormonal fluctuations but rather significant life transitions. We, Jenna and Dr. Liana, reflect on our recent live event, which was met with enthusiasm and engagement, illustrating the necessity for open discourse surrounding menopause. Our discussions reveal that the nervous system is critically impacted during these stages, necessitating a deeper understanding of its role in our overall well-being. We advocate for the empowerment of women to navigate their menopause journey with knowledge and confidence, fostering community connections that support this transition. Ultimately, we aim to inspire women to embrace this period of life as an opportunity for reinvention and self-discovery, rather than merely a challenge to endure.
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(00:01):
Ever find yourself at 2amlike, what the actual is happening
to me?
Spoiler.
It's not just your hormones.
It's your life cracking wide open.
And no one warned you.
I'm Jenna, Clinic CEO,menopause whisperer, and recovering
people pleaser turned truth slayer.
And I am Dr. Liana, menopauseexpert and medical rebel who's done
(00:21):
playing nice.
Welcome to Smoke, Mirrors, and Perimenopause.
We're not here to gracefully age.
We're here to blow shit upwith truth, science, and zero Filter.
To follow the show and stepinto your I don't give a ERA no shame,
all flame.
Let's do this.
Okay, we're back.
(00:42):
We're live.
Episode five.
Four.
Four.
Yeah, we're.
We're deep.
We.
We're debriefing our Smoke,Mirrors, and Menopause live edition
that we just hosted this past weekend.
(01:02):
So a few days ago, and it was phenomenal.
Yeah.
It's funny because I'm sittinghere like, I was jumping on to recording,
and I'm like, I'm soparasympathetic today.
Finally, I feel like it took.
So today's Thursday, the eventwas Sunday, and I think it took,
like, Monday, Tuesday,Wednesday to, like, really come down
(01:24):
off the high of the event andhave my nervous system settle in
to just being like, ah.
Like, that was fricking awesome.
Can't wait to do more.
But, like, also, just such abeautiful calm around what we're
doing here.
Right.
Me too.
I had a catecholamine hangover.
(01:45):
And I mean, hangover.
I really did.
I was.
I was literally slogging onthe sofa Monday, and I had.
What did I told you?
I had, like, eight hours ofmeetings starting.
Thank God they started at1:30, because I don't know how I
would have gotten through that.
But I was literally, like,1:28pm still on the sofa, and I was
(02:06):
just like, oh, God, I got toput on concealer and eyeliner.
Let me.
Let me actually put on anactual shirt.
And then I got 1:30.
I'm like, live.
I'm like, hi, it's Dr. Leanne.
I.
Can I help you?
So I. I get it.
I really.
And so, yeah, so.
And then in between themeetings, I came to, like, literally
lay on the sofa and just letmy nervous system recalibrate.
(02:26):
But it's a real thing.
Like.
Yeah.
So for the listeners who don'tknow what catecholamines are, it's
not like, the latest andgreatest recreational drug.
Right?
Right.
Want to tell us what it is, Doc?
It's pretty much adrenaline.
It's like the hormones of adrenaline.
Catecholamines are the, like,neurotransmitters and hormones that
(02:50):
run and turn on yoursympathetic nervous system.
So they're good.
They're good.
Like, they're.
They're actually helpful.
And I think that thesympathetic nervous system gets a
bad rap a lot of the time.
But I've been, you know,during times, like, event coordination.
Like, if you've ever.
If you've ever done your ownwedding, right?
If you've ever coordinated abig birthday party, if you've ever
(03:12):
coordinated anything live, youknow, it's a lot of adrenaline that
goes through your veins andit's coursing through your vein.
And if you've ever spoken onstage before, that's a whole nother
level of adrenaline rushbecause it's public speaking, which
is, like, what the number onefear of, like, people in the world.
So there's that.
(03:33):
So.
And, yeah, just the wholeevent coordination.
Putting on the event, makingsure that, you know, people were
going to get, like, all thethings that they wanted and needed.
Oh, okay.
That's Jordan.
Hey, Jordan.
Hey, Jordan.
He probably.
(03:53):
I mean, Ginger.
Hi.
Oh, she hears him, too, somaybe she'll chime in.
But, yeah, so it's definitely.
Yeah, it's definitely.
It was a lot but awesome.
A lot but awesome.
So the adrenaline was pumping,the dopamine was pumping, all the
things, right?
And then you come out after.
Well, even after the event onSunday, like, we went back to your
(04:14):
place, and we had all of theseambitions of the things we were going
to accomplish.
Oh, my God.
We.
We were like, we're gonna dothis, we're gonna do that, and we're
gonna record this, and we're.
We're.
We're ready to go.
And we came here, and she'slike, okay, what are we eating?
Yeah, it was.
What are we eating?
I need a latte, and let's layon the couch.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
(04:34):
Like.
And you were like, and I'mchanging my clothes.
I'm like, this is absolutelywhat's happening.
So.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So.
Yeah, So I think, you know, wehad adrenaline rush and catecholamine
rush in a really good way.
I think it.
It was a.
In a good way, right?
Like, sometimes, you know, andchronic stress.
You know, people.
Most of the time, people havechronic stress, and it's their adrenaline.
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Adrenaline rush is happeningin a way that's negative for them.
You know what I mean?
Like, so this was actually,like, a positive Adrenaline rush
and like a kid that comes off,down off of sugar.
That'S how I was for, like,two days.
So I hate to hear that you.
Were like, it was three days.
Well, I think it was just,like, the recovery process of that
to get to a point where, like,you know, my nervous, like, I track
(05:18):
everything on my oura ring.
So before the event, leadingup to it, I was doing okay in terms
of being, like, restored and,you know, kind of having my normal
curves and vibes, obviouslysome stress, but also, like, being
able to get into therestoration phase.
But, like, right after theevent, it's taken me, like I said,
like, three days for mynervous system to literally settle
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into where I was trulyparasympathetic enough to get, like,
any form of restoration.
So that's today.
So the energy might be alittle bit lower, but that's not
a bad thing.
And I think the other relevantthing to this is just key point from
the weekend is that ournervous system is the number one
system that is impacted inperimenopause and menopause.
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Right, Right.
That's why I'm, like, reallygoing in on my nervous system in
my brain right now for my health.
Like, I. I just signed up towork with a functional neurologist
and someone doing net, whichis, you know, emotional technique.
And so.
Oh, you know what?
That's probably why Irecovered Tuesday.
(06:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I.
Because I went to the brainplace and I had.
And I saw both practitioners.
I got treated, I did a brain tap.
And then.
Oh, and then I felt so relaxedin my body because I uncovered that.
I told you, I uncovered thissubconscious dread of showing up
after a breakup to the world.
(06:48):
Like, and that actuallyhappened to me in junior high school.
Anyway, long story, we'llrevisit that.
But it, like, I had this bigsubconscious breakthrough.
I came home, I took a shortnap, and then I went to a sound bath.
Healing.
So I had that too.
So, yeah, I did, like, all ofthat in one day.
So that's how I recovered.
Yeah.
So what did you think of the event?
(07:09):
I thought it was amazing.
I can't wait to do another one.
So we've.
We've decided that along withthe podcast, Smoke, Mirrors, and
menopause, we have also a needfor a roadshow where we can physically
get women together in the sameroom, in the same energy, talking
about these things, live thatmatter, connecting one to one, giving
(07:29):
hugs, doing all the thingsthat we need, especially at this
point in our life, from aconnection perspective.
It's huge connection and community.
Yeah.
You know, I loved that therewere a lot of women who came by themselves
and we got to, like, hug and.
And know every single person's name.
Like, and that's the.
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You know, this wasn't like a100, 200 person event, but it was
like, it was, it was a.
It was a good sized group towhere we could meet people and get
to know them on an individuallevel, which I thought was actually,
you know, I'm, you know, anyevent person is like, oh, let's fill
the room.
But you know what?
In hindsight, I'm like, therewas actually a perfect size of people
(08:12):
for us to, like, meet and talkto and, like, really get to know
them, because theconversations too, like when we open
the floor, wasn't it so good?
So good, so good.
Yeah, it was so good.
And I'm like.
And.
And then, you know, it waslike, it took a life of it on its
own.
So for everyone listening, theway the event flowed was.
(08:36):
We did.
We did an opener, a short opener.
We.
Well, we had some minglingfirst, getting to know people.
Jenna did this fantastic,like, grounding meditation.
And.
And it was amazing too,because it was so calming and her
voice is so, like, it's likethe right tone, right.
Like, it's just the rightvibration frequency.
(09:01):
Yep.
And.
And then we were.
The landscape, the naturescapearound us.
So the room had all windowsand looking out into a golf course,
and you saw no traffic.
It was all nature.
It was gorgeous.
And so you opened with that.
Everyone was like, kind ofsuper calm.
And then what we did was wetalked for a little bit.
(09:22):
We served food.
We.
We then showed people thescreening of the M Factor, which
is the documentary aboutshedding shredding the silence on
menopause.
If you haven't heard of the MFactor, it' documentary that's actually
on PBS to watch it.
It's.
I don't know if you knew this,but, like, to watch, if you wanted
to, like, be at home and justdown watch it on your own, it would.
(09:42):
$60.
Yeah, I know.
Crazy to me.
I'm like, wait, what?
Like this.
This is kind of something thatshould be free.
So that's why we offered it atthe event.
It was fantastic.
So we showed that and then weopened the floor for people and the
conversation was fire.
It was so good.
And it was so good.
And it was like, I think thatpeople left with their minds blown
(10:06):
wide open, and then like,they're just like, oh, we didn't
realize that this was happening.
You Know, we didn't realizethat, like, people are, you know,
that testosterone is actuallynot approved.
Yeah.
Right.
In the US for women.
Right, right.
So there were some otherthings two people brought up, like
(10:29):
the whole.
The whole concept of, like.
Yeah.
Of our daughters, that got mereally emotional too.
Of like, we're doing this forfuture generations.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was huge.
And I think there were a lotof women in the room who were mothers.
Right.
And so even women like, yes, Iwant you to help me, but also, can
you help my daughter who's,you know, 25 or 30 years younger
(10:53):
than I am, so that she'sprepared for this as she evolves
into this lifetime, decadesfrom now?
But, like, yeah, there was.
Yeah, yeah.
So it's just like opening theneed for, like.
Yeah, all of it.
The other thing, too, theother conversation we had that was
really big was the husbands,the spouses that don't know what
the F is happening and all thedivorces that happen because when
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the hormones drop, truth risesand everybody was like, oh, my God,
it is so true.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And the.
The importance of just, numberone, being like, self aware and no
knowing what's happening withyourself so that you can then communicate
that to your significant other.
It's like, we don't even knowwhat's going on with ourselves.
So how can we articulate or.
Or impart that knowledge onsomeone else so that they can be
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compassionate andunderstanding through the process?
Right, right.
So menopause awareness needsto happen for, like, for not just
women, but for.
And we were just talking aboutthis before we went live of, like,
I personally was like, really,you guys?
Because everyone was saying,this is so needed.
We're so happy that you'retalking about this.
(12:02):
This is so great.
And I'm like, yeah, we know.
I'm.
I'm like, we.
Yeah, of course.
Who isn't talking about thisis my question.
So why is everybody so happyand grateful?
Right?
I'm.
I'm such a.
But I don't.
I didn't.
I don't mean that in a real way.
I'm just saying, like, why is every.
I don't understand why peopleare so happy.
And it's because, I guess, youknow, we're in healthcare, we're
in the world.
(12:23):
Right.
We're in the industry.
Our algorithms are showing usall the things.
Menopause, perimenopause, andwe're of the age.
Right.
Yeah.
So I just, I mean, assumedeverybody's getting bombarded with
this information.
Yeah, apparently not.
Yeah.
I think if your social media feed.
You know, if you've programmedthe algorithm to know that you're
that woman, you're probablygetting inundated with information.
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But even then, you know, wehad a couple women I know who were
like, I feel like I have donea deep dive.
Like, I've gone down therabbit hole and I've tried everything.
And the challenge justbecomes, you know, with.
With anything, like,everything's very individualized,
everything's very personalized.
So you really need to, like,find your people, find your tribe,
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and find the people who canhelp you to best navigate that, whether
it's a circle of friends or afunctional medicine doctor.
Right?
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
And the other thing we talkedabout too, that was really eye opening
was the whole concept of thatwe're the first generation being
super vocal about it.
And that's also, that's a bigreason why this is all coming to
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light, because we won't shutthe up about it.
And, and the other thing is,and this is what sparked the whole
modern menopause name for me.
It just, when you inspired it,you said something in a random conversation
one day and I was like, thisis it.
It's called.
It's going to be called modern menopause.
I just know it.
(13:49):
And then when you said, whatdo we call it?
And I said, it's modern menopause.
Because of our conversationthe other day, you said that, you
know, this is the first, like, modern.
It's.
This is the first time womenare going through menopause that
are, you know, career focused.
Yeah.
They're doing all the things right.
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They're raising kids alone.
They're.
They have a job, they're busy.
Like, this is the modern woman.
This is the modern.
In this modern time.
And it's true, this is thefirst time women.
This is the first Gen X, Iwould say, is the first generation.
So, yeah, it's the women, youknow, now in our 40s and probably
50s, where the expectation wasfor our generation that we could
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be at all do it all and haveit all right.
And we're now approachingmidlife and going like, number one,
was that actually realistic?
Number two, like, I'm done,like, pleasing, performing, improving,
because that's what I've beendoing for the last four or five decades.
And they're ready to, like,we're ready to like, rewrite our
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story on our own terms.
Right.
So I feel like it's also justa super empowering time.
And I felt that as a result ofthe energy in that room is not like,
this is not just about like,oh, menopause sucks and you have
symptoms and your body changesand you gave weight and you have
hot flashes and like, yourlibido, you know, like, and your
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marriage, like, it's not justabout the bad stuff, which obviously,
physically andphysiologically, yes, we can help
women, but it's also about theemotional and energetic stuff.
Like, I think it's superexciting and super empowering.
You know, like, back in theday, our, our vision of what 50 looked
like was the Golden Girls, andnow it's freaking JLo.
(15:35):
Right?
So, like, it's just.
That has changed.
And I want women to know that,like, version 2.0 of you can be phenomenal.
You just have to be ready tolet go of the old and step into the
new.
Right.
I agree.
Agreed.
Oh, my gosh.
So good.
(15:56):
So good.
I. I mean, yeah.
And I've already seen some ofthe, some of the event participants
that, that want to work withus in the clinic and go through the
modern menopause method.
And let me just tell you that.
Yeah, I mean, I mean, youknow, if I don't say so myself, oh,
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they were just so good.
The.
We were able to put the piecesof the puzzle together, you know,
for them was just out of this world.
And honestly, in a way thatkind of lit my heart on fire, you
know, for like, like neverbefore whenever I've, I've been,
you know, in a, in a consultwith a patient because, you know,
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they're ready, right?
Like, the women who are good,who are ready and, and like, want
to be a part of the method andwant to go through it, like, they're
ready.
They're ready to step intothat VE 2.0.
And we're really focused on,on their hormones, on all, all the
things that are going on.
And it's like we could.
I could bring up all thethings, the emotions, the energetics,
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all of it, and not just like,okay, what are your symptoms?
And that's it.
You know, to me, that feels solifeless and like, like heartless
and so like devoid ofsubstance, you know, when, when I
have to get on a call with apatient like that.
So, yeah, so it's definitely.
It was just so life giving forme to have conversations with women
(17:30):
who are just really ready and.
Yeah, and I know there's alot, a lot of women out there who
are ready, who are ready forsomething different.
Right.
And just, just ready forwhat's next and that platform to
be able to, to create thatfrom both the health Perspective,
but then like an identity perspective.
(17:50):
It's so cool.
Yeah, I love it.
All right, so in conclusion,what's next?
Fought to what's next forsmoke, mirrors and menopause Roadshow.
Yeah.
So coming to a city near youin Florida.
In Florida to start.
In Florida to start.
But then, yeah, the expansion.
So our goal with the modernmenopause movement and modern menopause
(18:15):
RX and smoke, mirrors andmenopause is that this becomes just
a nationwide movement toempower women, to help women, to
support women, to supportpractitioners and understanding how
to support, how to bettersupport women from a, from a functional
integrative medicineperspective and then a hormone replacement
perspective, if and whenthat's applicable.
(18:35):
So, yeah, there's a lot of, Alot of big plans on the horizon.
Yeah, I'm super duper enthusiastic.
It's going to be so good.
So good.
And oh, God, team.
The team is spectacular.
Yes.
So amazing when something justcomes together so naturally.
Like, the universe knows thatthis is so needed.
(18:57):
So, like the synchronicity andsynergy, people are showing up, ready
to go, ready.
To rock, ready to roll.
Yeah.
All right.
Okay, y'.
All.
Until next time, all flame, no shame.
Bye.
We hope you love the show asmuch as we love doing it.
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This conversation doesn't end here.
And until next time, keepquestioning the smoke and mirrors.
And remember, you're notlosing your mind.
You're finding your truth.
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(20:01):
Even though I am a doctor andphysician, I am not your physician
and this podcast does notcreate a doctor patient relationship.
Ever find yourself at 2amlike, what the actual is happening
to me?
Spoiler.
It's not just your hormones.
It's your life cracking wide open.
And no one warned you.
I'm Jenna, Clinic CEO,menopause whisperer, and recovering
people pleaser turned truth slayer.
And I am Dr. Liana, menopauseexpert and medical rebel who's done
(00:21):
playing nice.
Welcome to Smoke, Mirrors, and Perimenopause.
We're not here to gracefully age.
We're here to blow shit upwith truth, science, and zero Filter.
To follow the show and stepinto your I don't give a ERA no shame,
all flame.
Let's do this.
Okay, we're back.
(00:42):
We're live.
Episode five.
Four.
Four.
Yeah, we're.
We're deep.
We.
We're debriefing our Smoke,Mirrors, and Menopause live edition
that we just hosted this past weekend.
(01:02):
So a few days ago, and it was phenomenal.
Yeah.
It's funny because I'm sittinghere like, I was jumping on to recording,
and I'm like, I'm soparasympathetic today.
Finally, I feel like it took.
So today's Thursday, the eventwas Sunday, and I think it took,
like, Monday, Tuesday,Wednesday to, like, really come down
(01:24):
off the high of the event andhave my nervous system settle in
to just being like, ah.
Like, that was fricking awesome.
Can't wait to do more.
But, like, also, just such abeautiful calm around what we're
doing here.
Right.
Me too.
I had a catecholamine hangover.
(01:45):
And I mean, hangover.
I really did.
I was.
I was literally slogging onthe sofa Monday, and I had.
What did I told you?
I had, like, eight hours ofmeetings starting.
Thank God they started at1:30, because I don't know how I
would have gotten through that.
But I was literally, like,1:28pm still on the sofa, and I was
(02:06):
just like, oh, God, I got toput on concealer and eyeliner.
Let me.
Let me actually put on anactual shirt.
And then I got 1:30.
I'm like, live.
I'm like, hi, it's Dr. Leanne.
I.
Can I help you?
So I. I get it.
I really.
And so, yeah, so.
And then in between themeetings, I came to, like, literally
lay on the sofa and just letmy nervous system recalibrate.
(02:26):
But it's a real thing.
Like.
Yeah.
So for the listeners who don'tknow what catecholamines are, it's
not like, the latest andgreatest recreational drug.
Right?
Right.
Want to tell us what it is, Doc?
It's pretty much adrenaline.
It's like the hormones of adrenaline.
Catecholamines are the, like,neurotransmitters and hormones that
(02:50):
run and turn on yoursympathetic nervous system.
So they're good.
They're good.
Like, they're.
They're actually helpful.
And I think that thesympathetic nervous system gets a
bad rap a lot of the time.
But I've been, you know,during times, like, event coordination.
Like, if you've ever.
If you've ever done your ownwedding, right?
If you've ever coordinated abig birthday party, if you've ever
(03:12):
coordinated anything live, youknow, it's a lot of adrenaline that
goes through your veins andit's coursing through your vein.
And if you've ever spoken onstage before, that's a whole nother
level of adrenaline rushbecause it's public speaking, which
is, like, what the number onefear of, like, people in the world.
So there's that.
(03:33):
So.
And, yeah, just the wholeevent coordination.
Putting on the event, makingsure that, you know, people were
going to get, like, all thethings that they wanted and needed.
Oh, okay.
That's Jordan.
Hey, Jordan.
Hey, Jordan.
He probably.
(03:53):
I mean, Ginger.
Hi.
Oh, she hears him, too, somaybe she'll chime in.
But, yeah, so it's definitely.
Yeah, it's definitely.
It was a lot but awesome.
A lot but awesome.
So the adrenaline was pumping,the dopamine was pumping, all the
things, right?
And then you come out after.
Well, even after the event onSunday, like, we went back to your
(04:14):
place, and we had all of theseambitions of the things we were going
to accomplish.
Oh, my God.
We.
We were like, we're gonna dothis, we're gonna do that, and we're
gonna record this, and we're.
We're.
We're ready to go.
And we came here, and she'slike, okay, what are we eating?
Yeah, it was.
What are we eating?
I need a latte, and let's layon the couch.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
(04:34):
Like.
And you were like, and I'mchanging my clothes.
I'm like, this is absolutelywhat's happening.
So.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So.
Yeah, So I think, you know, wehad adrenaline rush and catecholamine
rush in a really good way.
I think it.
It was a.
In a good way, right?
Like, sometimes, you know, andchronic stress.
You know, people.
Most of the time, people havechronic stress, and it's their adrenaline.
(04:55):
Adrenaline rush is happeningin a way that's negative for them.
You know what I mean?
Like, so this was actually,like, a positive Adrenaline rush
and like a kid that comes off,down off of sugar.
That'S how I was for, like,two days.
So I hate to hear that you.
Were like, it was three days.
Well, I think it was just,like, the recovery process of that
to get to a point where, like,you know, my nervous, like, I track
(05:18):
everything on my oura ring.
So before the event, leadingup to it, I was doing okay in terms
of being, like, restored and,you know, kind of having my normal
curves and vibes, obviouslysome stress, but also, like, being
able to get into therestoration phase.
But, like, right after theevent, it's taken me, like I said,
like, three days for mynervous system to literally settle
(05:41):
into where I was trulyparasympathetic enough to get, like,
any form of restoration.
So that's today.
So the energy might be alittle bit lower, but that's not
a bad thing.
And I think the other relevantthing to this is just key point from
the weekend is that ournervous system is the number one
system that is impacted inperimenopause and menopause.
(06:04):
Right, Right.
That's why I'm, like, reallygoing in on my nervous system in
my brain right now for my health.
Like, I. I just signed up towork with a functional neurologist
and someone doing net, whichis, you know, emotional technique.
And so.
Oh, you know what?
That's probably why Irecovered Tuesday.
(06:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I.
Because I went to the brainplace and I had.
And I saw both practitioners.
I got treated, I did a brain tap.
And then.
Oh, and then I felt so relaxedin my body because I uncovered that.
I told you, I uncovered thissubconscious dread of showing up
after a breakup to the world.
(06:48):
Like, and that actuallyhappened to me in junior high school.
Anyway, long story, we'llrevisit that.
But it, like, I had this bigsubconscious breakthrough.
I came home, I took a shortnap, and then I went to a sound bath.
Healing.
So I had that too.
So, yeah, I did, like, all ofthat in one day.
So that's how I recovered.
Yeah.
So what did you think of the event?
(07:09):
I thought it was amazing.
I can't wait to do another one.
So we've.
We've decided that along withthe podcast, Smoke, Mirrors, and
menopause, we have also a needfor a roadshow where we can physically
get women together in the sameroom, in the same energy, talking
about these things, live thatmatter, connecting one to one, giving
(07:29):
hugs, doing all the thingsthat we need, especially at this
point in our life, from aconnection perspective.
It's huge connection and community.
Yeah.
You know, I loved that therewere a lot of women who came by themselves
and we got to, like, hug and.
And know every single person's name.
Like, and that's the.
(07:50):
You know, this wasn't like a100, 200 person event, but it was
like, it was, it was a.
It was a good sized group towhere we could meet people and get
to know them on an individuallevel, which I thought was actually,
you know, I'm, you know, anyevent person is like, oh, let's fill
the room.
But you know what?
In hindsight, I'm like, therewas actually a perfect size of people
(08:12):
for us to, like, meet and talkto and, like, really get to know
them, because theconversations too, like when we open
the floor, wasn't it so good?
So good, so good.
Yeah, it was so good.
And I'm like.
And.
And then, you know, it waslike, it took a life of it on its
own.
So for everyone listening, theway the event flowed was.
(08:36):
We did.
We did an opener, a short opener.
We.
Well, we had some minglingfirst, getting to know people.
Jenna did this fantastic,like, grounding meditation.
And.
And it was amazing too,because it was so calming and her
voice is so, like, it's likethe right tone, right.
Like, it's just the rightvibration frequency.
(09:01):
Yep.
And.
And then we were.
The landscape, the naturescapearound us.
So the room had all windowsand looking out into a golf course,
and you saw no traffic.
It was all nature.
It was gorgeous.
And so you opened with that.
Everyone was like, kind ofsuper calm.
And then what we did was wetalked for a little bit.
(09:22):
We served food.
We.
We then showed people thescreening of the M Factor, which
is the documentary aboutshedding shredding the silence on
menopause.
If you haven't heard of the MFactor, it' documentary that's actually
on PBS to watch it.
It's.
I don't know if you knew this,but, like, to watch, if you wanted
to, like, be at home and justdown watch it on your own, it would.
(09:42):
$60.
Yeah, I know.
Crazy to me.
I'm like, wait, what?
Like this.
This is kind of something thatshould be free.
So that's why we offered it atthe event.
It was fantastic.
So we showed that and then weopened the floor for people and the
conversation was fire.
It was so good.
And it was so good.
And it was like, I think thatpeople left with their minds blown
(10:06):
wide open, and then like,they're just like, oh, we didn't
realize that this was happening.
You Know, we didn't realizethat, like, people are, you know,
that testosterone is actuallynot approved.
Yeah.
Right.
In the US for women.
Right, right.
So there were some otherthings two people brought up, like
(10:29):
the whole.
The whole concept of, like.
Yeah.
Of our daughters, that got mereally emotional too.
Of like, we're doing this forfuture generations.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was huge.
And I think there were a lotof women in the room who were mothers.
Right.
And so even women like, yes, Iwant you to help me, but also, can
you help my daughter who's,you know, 25 or 30 years younger
(10:53):
than I am, so that she'sprepared for this as she evolves
into this lifetime, decadesfrom now?
But, like, yeah, there was.
Yeah, yeah.
So it's just like opening theneed for, like.
Yeah, all of it.
The other thing, too, theother conversation we had that was
really big was the husbands,the spouses that don't know what
the F is happening and all thedivorces that happen because when
(11:17):
the hormones drop, truth risesand everybody was like, oh, my God,
it is so true.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And the.
The importance of just, numberone, being like, self aware and no
knowing what's happening withyourself so that you can then communicate
that to your significant other.
It's like, we don't even knowwhat's going on with ourselves.
So how can we articulate or.
Or impart that knowledge onsomeone else so that they can be
(11:40):
compassionate andunderstanding through the process?
Right, right.
So menopause awareness needsto happen for, like, for not just
women, but for.
And we were just talking aboutthis before we went live of, like,
I personally was like, really,you guys?
Because everyone was saying,this is so needed.
We're so happy that you'retalking about this.
(12:02):
This is so great.
And I'm like, yeah, we know.
I'm.
I'm like, we.
Yeah, of course.
Who isn't talking about thisis my question.
So why is everybody so happyand grateful?
Right?
I'm.
I'm such a.
But I don't.
I didn't.
I don't mean that in a real way.
I'm just saying, like, why is every.
I don't understand why peopleare so happy.
And it's because, I guess, youknow, we're in healthcare, we're
in the world.
(12:23):
Right.
We're in the industry.
Our algorithms are showing usall the things.
Menopause, perimenopause, andwe're of the age.
Right.
Yeah.
So I just, I mean, assumedeverybody's getting bombarded with
this information.
Yeah, apparently not.
Yeah.
I think if your social media feed.
You know, if you've programmedthe algorithm to know that you're
that woman, you're probablygetting inundated with information.
(12:45):
But even then, you know, wehad a couple women I know who were
like, I feel like I have donea deep dive.
Like, I've gone down therabbit hole and I've tried everything.
And the challenge justbecomes, you know, with.
With anything, like,everything's very individualized,
everything's very personalized.
So you really need to, like,find your people, find your tribe,
(13:05):
and find the people who canhelp you to best navigate that, whether
it's a circle of friends or afunctional medicine doctor.
Right?
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.
And the other thing we talkedabout too, that was really eye opening
was the whole concept of thatwe're the first generation being
super vocal about it.
And that's also, that's a bigreason why this is all coming to
(13:29):
light, because we won't shutthe up about it.
And, and the other thing is,and this is what sparked the whole
modern menopause name for me.
It just, when you inspired it,you said something in a random conversation
one day and I was like, thisis it.
It's called.
It's going to be called modern menopause.
I just know it.
(13:49):
And then when you said, whatdo we call it?
And I said, it's modern menopause.
Because of our conversationthe other day, you said that, you
know, this is the first, like, modern.
It's.
This is the first time womenare going through menopause that
are, you know, career focused.
Yeah.
They're doing all the things right.
(14:10):
They're raising kids alone.
They're.
They have a job, they're busy.
Like, this is the modern woman.
This is the modern.
In this modern time.
And it's true, this is thefirst time women.
This is the first Gen X, Iwould say, is the first generation.
So, yeah, it's the women, youknow, now in our 40s and probably
50s, where the expectation wasfor our generation that we could
(14:31):
be at all do it all and haveit all right.
And we're now approachingmidlife and going like, number one,
was that actually realistic?
Number two, like, I'm done,like, pleasing, performing, improving,
because that's what I've beendoing for the last four or five decades.
And they're ready to, like,we're ready to like, rewrite our
(14:51):
story on our own terms.
Right.
So I feel like it's also justa super empowering time.
And I felt that as a result ofthe energy in that room is not like,
this is not just about like,oh, menopause sucks and you have
symptoms and your body changesand you gave weight and you have
hot flashes and like, yourlibido, you know, like, and your
(15:12):
marriage, like, it's not justabout the bad stuff, which obviously,
physically andphysiologically, yes, we can help
women, but it's also about theemotional and energetic stuff.
Like, I think it's superexciting and super empowering.
You know, like, back in theday, our, our vision of what 50 looked
like was the Golden Girls, andnow it's freaking JLo.
(15:35):
Right?
So, like, it's just.
That has changed.
And I want women to know that,like, version 2.0 of you can be phenomenal.
You just have to be ready tolet go of the old and step into the
new.
Right.
I agree.
Agreed.
Oh, my gosh.
So good.
(15:56):
So good.
I. I mean, yeah.
And I've already seen some ofthe, some of the event participants
that, that want to work withus in the clinic and go through the
modern menopause method.
And let me just tell you that.
Yeah, I mean, I mean, youknow, if I don't say so myself, oh,
(16:22):
they were just so good.
The.
We were able to put the piecesof the puzzle together, you know,
for them was just out of this world.
And honestly, in a way thatkind of lit my heart on fire, you
know, for like, like neverbefore whenever I've, I've been,
you know, in a, in a consultwith a patient because, you know,
(16:47):
they're ready, right?
Like, the women who are good,who are ready and, and like, want
to be a part of the method andwant to go through it, like, they're
ready.
They're ready to step intothat VE 2.0.
And we're really focused on,on their hormones, on all, all the
things that are going on.
And it's like we could.
I could bring up all thethings, the emotions, the energetics,
(17:09):
all of it, and not just like,okay, what are your symptoms?
And that's it.
You know, to me, that feels solifeless and like, like heartless
and so like devoid ofsubstance, you know, when, when I
have to get on a call with apatient like that.
So, yeah, so it's definitely.
It was just so life giving forme to have conversations with women
(17:30):
who are just really ready and.
Yeah, and I know there's alot, a lot of women out there who
are ready, who are ready forsomething different.
Right.
And just, just ready forwhat's next and that platform to
be able to, to create thatfrom both the health Perspective,
but then like an identity perspective.
(17:50):
It's so cool.
Yeah, I love it.
All right, so in conclusion,what's next?
Fought to what's next forsmoke, mirrors and menopause Roadshow.
Yeah.
So coming to a city near youin Florida.
In Florida to start.
In Florida to start.
But then, yeah, the expansion.
So our goal with the modernmenopause movement and modern menopause
(18:15):
RX and smoke, mirrors andmenopause is that this becomes just
a nationwide movement toempower women, to help women, to
support women, to supportpractitioners and understanding how
to support, how to bettersupport women from a, from a functional
integrative medicineperspective and then a hormone replacement
perspective, if and whenthat's applicable.
(18:35):
So, yeah, there's a lot of, Alot of big plans on the horizon.
Yeah, I'm super duper enthusiastic.
It's going to be so good.
So good.
And oh, God, team.
The team is spectacular.
Yes.
So amazing when something justcomes together so naturally.
Like, the universe knows thatthis is so needed.
(18:57):
So, like the synchronicity andsynergy, people are showing up, ready
to go, ready.
To rock, ready to roll.
Yeah.
All right.
Okay, y'.
All.
Until next time, all flame, no shame.
Bye.
We hope you love the show asmuch as we love doing it.
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To learn more and join themodern menopause movement, visit
modernmennow.com that'smodernmennow.com because.
This conversation doesn't end here.
And until next time, keepquestioning the smoke and mirrors.
And remember, you're notlosing your mind.
You're finding your truth.
And a quick but boringdisclaimer just necessary to say
(19:38):
anything discussed in thispodcast is for educational and informational
purposes only and solely is aself help tool for your own use.
We are not providing medical,psychological or nutrition therapy
advice.
You should not use thisinformation to diagnose or treat
any health problems orillnesses without consulting your
own medical practitioner.
Always seek the advice of yourown medical practitioner and or mental
health provider about yourspecific health situation.
(20:01):
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