August 8, 2025 • 17 mins
This podcast delves into the often-overlooked realities of perimenopause and menopause, asserting that the tumultuous experiences many women face are not merely a byproduct of hormonal fluctuations, but rather a profound life transformation. As the hosts, Jenna and Dr. Liana, engage in candid discourse, they illuminate the necessity of addressing the multifaceted nature of this transitional phase. They advocate for a holistic approach that embraces both psychological and physiological dimensions, urging women to reclaim their narratives during this pivotal time. With an emphasis on authenticity and empowerment, the conversation invites listeners to confront societal misconceptions and to embrace the liberating journey of self-discovery. Ultimately, this episode seeks to foster a deeper understanding of the complexities of midlife, encouraging women to navigate this era with confidence and clarity.
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Keywords: menopause, perimenopause, women's health, hormone therapy, holistic health, menopause symptoms, aging gracefully, mindset shift, women's empowerment, health education, integrative medicine, lifestyle changes, emotional wellness, truth about menopause, midlife transition, female health experts, self-care for women, empowerment in menopause, personal growth, sisterhood in menopause
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(00:02):
Ever find yourself at 2amlike, what the actual fuck is happening
to me?
Spoiler.
It's not just your hormones.
It's your life cracking wide open.
And no one warned you.
I'm Jenna, clinic CEO,menopause whisperer, and recovering
people pleaser turned truth slayer.
And I am Dr. Liana, menopauseexpert and medical rebel who's done
(00:25):
playing nice.
Welcome to Smoke, Mirrors, and Perimenopause.
We're not here to gracefully age.
We're here to blow shit upwith truth, science, and zero filters.
So follow the show and stepinto your I don't give a fuck era.
No shame, all flame.
Let's fucking do this.
(00:46):
Hi.
Hi.
Here we are.
We're here.
We're here.
It's episode one and Cold brew.
Yes.
On a really hot day.
On a really fucking hot day inPrinceton, New Jersey.
It's over 100 degrees.
Yeah.
(01:06):
All right.
So as if anyone inperimenopause or menopause needs
it to be this fucking hot.
Yeah.
No, not at all.
Not at all.
So, um, we're here, and thisis gonna be.
People are gonna lose theirminds when this drops, when they
see that we're doing this.
(01:27):
So tell everyone how we cameup with this idea.
Cause, like, people are gonnabe like, what?
What?
They're gonna lose their minds.
Well, I feel like there's beena collaboration waiting to happen
for, like, almost a decade.
Right.
As long as we've known each other.
But given the fact that we'rearound the same age and shit starts
hitting the fan or startedhitting the fan for both of time,
(01:50):
and just our, like, bestiegirl talks where we would get on
the phone and start ranting,and I would be like, we should have
recorded that because that'ssome good content right there.
Yeah, Yeah, I agree.
Well, I think we graduated.
Like, we went from voicenoting, went from texting, and then
(02:11):
we voice noted, where's your coffee?
Or you try.
It's gone.
Oh.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
So you did need that, huh?
That's so appropriate.
Yeah.
Perimenopause.
I already forgot what I wassaying two seconds ago.
(02:32):
There you go.
No, so we were.
Okay, so we texted, and thenwe started doing voice notes, and
then we got on the phone, andthen we would get on Zoom meetings
to catch up, and then thoseZoom meetings went from very random,
and, like, it would be like, amonth in between.
We talk to each other, andthen we talk to each other, and we'd
(02:54):
be like, oh, my gosh, we haveto do this more frequently.
And then it was like, okay, weneed to put something in the calendar.
Because I think, as bothentrepreneurs, where if it's not
in the calendar, doesn't happen.
Doesn't happen.
Exactly.
So, yeah.
So now every Friday morning,we've been doing zoom meetings a
few times at least.
And then here we are.
I was like, we should berecording these conversations because
(03:19):
they're just so good.
Like, the entire world needs.
Needs this kind of medicine, essentially.
Girlfriend medicine.
That's exactly what it is.
We've been dosing each otherwith girlfriend medicine.
I know my oring loves it.
Aw.
Oh, my God.
Seriously?
You're such a nerd.
I check your oura ring after.
I do.
After our conversations, youcheck your oura ring.
(03:40):
I love you.
I love you.
That's so funny.
So we're both menopause experts.
Obviously not just becausewe're going through perimenopause.
Because, like, you know, thewhole world now is like, perimenopause
expert.
Right.
And we're kind of over that.
Yeah, yeah.
(04:01):
Because no one does it well.
Like, no one's really doing it well.
Say it again, sister.
Yeah.
I mean, either you're nottalking about it right, in healthcare
or.
And dismissing women who arecomplaining of their symptomatology,
or they're just throwinghormones at it without understanding
the individual.
(04:21):
Like, there's just so muchmisunderstanding, misinformation,
mistreatment, maltreatment.
I don't know what the word is,but shitty.
Shitty treatment.
Yeah.
Shitty treatment.
That is what it is.
So, yeah, we.
We're here to talk about the truth.
(04:41):
Talk about what women really need.
Yeah, you said a mouthful with.
Gosh, that's.
That's gotta be.
I mean, that's gonna be anepisode all on its own, is the people
are doing hormone replacementtherapy alone with nothing else.
Like, oh, so, yeah, you're.
You're in.
You're going throughperimenopause or menopausal.
Like, let's just give youhormones and thinking that that's
(05:05):
going to fix the problem.
And people think it's a magicbullet, but it's actually not.
It's just a piece of the puzzle.
Exactly.
And you're right.
And I think, as you know, you.
Both of us being in thefunctional medicine world, integrative
medicine world for what, thelast decade at least, we both get
that everything just has to bea holistic approach.
(05:29):
Yeah.
Because nothing operates inisolation, not even your hormones.
Right, Right.
And that's like the wholepremise of, like, the whole.
Like, when you first learnabout hormones and biochemistry,
like, not even.
This is even undergrad studies.
Like when you takebiochemistry or A and P anatomy,
physiology in undergrad, it's.
You learn all about negativefeedback systems, negative feedback
(05:52):
loops.
Like, you tweak or you turnthe volume up on one hormone and
the volume goes down andanother hormone, like, they literally
affect each other.
And so people just think, oh,I gotta fix my thyroid.
But then you fix your thyroidand then you mess up your cortisol,
right?
Or you make your adrenalglands worse.
So people don't get that, thatyou are essentially affecting everything.
(06:14):
It's all connected, right?
Yeah, everything's connected.
Can't treat one thing in isolation.
So we're here to talk about that.
We're here to break that openand share with women what we know
and what we've learned asprofessionals, as experts in the
space, but also as women whoare going.
Just going through it.
Right, right, right.
(06:36):
The other, the other key, theother piece of the puzzle is absolutely
the whole mindset piece.
And yeah, that's huge.
Huge.
And I love that we're going tobring that piece of the puzzle here
for people because it's notjust about, oh, your nutrition.
Like, there's so many wellnesspodcasts and wellness influencers
(06:59):
out there now talking aboutperimenopause and menopause and how
you should be eating and howyou should be lifting and working
out and all that.
And that's great.
I love it.
I'm not poo pooing it, but Iam sort of poo pooing it in a certain
way.
Like, because it's just.
There's so much more to themindset of what happens in the transition.
(07:19):
Like, it just for me.
So when I hit, like, 40 andearly 40s, it was like, I just.
It was this uncontrollable.
Like, my mouth just went outof control.
Like, I just.
There's, like, the truth wouldjust come flying out and, you know,
I used to be like that when Iwas a little girl, right?
And people used to give my momshit for being like, oh, my God,
(07:41):
you let that little girl havesuch an attitude and this and that.
My mom, she'd be like, yeah,yeah, I know, I know, I'm a bad mom,
whatever.
But in her mind, she was like,yeah, well, I'm teaching my little
girl to, like, speak up, speakher voice, be loud, take up space.
She wanted that for me becausemy mom was like a hippie love child.
Like, so my.
She was not your typical,like, you know, traditional Puerto
(08:04):
Rican woman.
So so when you're 40 for me,and I know for a lot of women, you
start speaking your truth,because hormones stop.
Stop the facade of, like,taking other people's shit.
Yeah, yeah.
And I think just where you areat a point in your life, like, by
the time you, you know, hityour mid-40s or even 50s, it's like
(08:26):
you've been.
If you have been that personwho's been proving, performing, people
pleasing, doing all of thosethings, showing up for everybody
else, but not for yourself.
I just feel like it's a timein your life where you take a step
back and you're like, what thefuck, right?
Like, who am I?
Where am I?
(08:46):
Where do I want to be?
And it's a total just, like,assessment, reassessment, recalibration
process, like, almost steppinginto a new version of you.
And that's what I want womento understand, too, is like.
It's almost like I justvisualize, like, a snake, like, shedding
its skin, right?
Stepping into, like, just awhole new opportunity and, like,
(09:09):
life 2.0.
Right?
It really is life 2.0.
Like, I'm so.
I love being in my 40s.
My God.
Oh.
If you'd have told me it hadbeen this juicy, oh, my God.
Like, everything is better,and the sex is even better.
I.
It's just incredible to me.
And so I think the.
(09:31):
The.
The piece of the puzzle thatwe bring that's so unique, especially
you, is we've both done somuch identity work as entrepreneurs,
right?
We've done so much, like,wealth consciousness, you know, peeling
back layers of subconscious,limiting beliefs, you know, and you
as, like, a subconscioussuccess coach, like, you're getting
(09:53):
in there.
You're getting in there.
Yeah.
And, like, we.
We've done so.
You know, we've been in.
We should probably tell peoplehow we met, but, like, we've done
so much of that work inmasterminds and business mentorships
and all that that, you know,combined with what we know how to
help people in the healthspace, it's just like a home run.
(10:15):
So I'm just tooting our horn alittle bit.
Yeah, No, I love that.
And you're right, you know,like, I think we've been very fortunate,
very blessed that we had theopportunity to do all of that work
coming into our 40s and, like,then showing up in our mid-40s and
feeling, like, pretty solidwith where we are, right?
Like, the ability to actuallyembrace that and step into your purpose,
passion, potential, all thatis just beautiful.
(10:37):
But I don't Think many womenhave that opportunity.
So I think part of this is,like, creating that space, right?
So that they can see, like,feel seen, heard, understood, empowered
through the process.
Because it's such a beautiful time.
It really is.
Oh, my gosh, it's so empowering.
Yeah.
(10:58):
Yeah.
And, you know, gosh, it's somany realizations.
So many realizations.
So many.
Like, the.
It's.
It's like I sit.
It's like a constant ayahuasca ceremony.
It's like a. I swear, it's like.
Except to my 40s, and it waslike complete plant medicine ceremony
(11:19):
of just like, wait, what?
Okay, so this is reality.
Okay, got it.
Yeah.
And, yeah, so.
But then all the emotions of,like, grieving of, like, oh, so what
I was living wasn't reality?
Like, oh, no.
But then.
But then what's coming or what is.
Is so much better.
It just keeps getting better.
(11:39):
Better.
Anyway, that's my take on it.
I mean, it's not that it's allrainbows and glitter and shit.
Yeah.
But.
But it also doesn't need to bemiserable, right?
It doesn't need to be miserable.
Thank you.
Yeah, that's really good.
So what people should expect.
Let's wrap up with that.
(11:59):
All right.
Well, I mean.
I mean, we said this is goingto be raw and real.
Very little editing.
So.
Yeah, let's just bring you the truth.
I mean, there's certainlygoing to be some health stuff that
we talk about.
Right.
Like, tired of people walkingto women in midlife, walking into
our clinic and being like, oh,I went to my OB GYN and told them
(12:21):
I feel like absolute dog.
And they're like, oh, that'sjust menopause.
Suck it up.
No, that.
That's not true.
Like, that's not how we roll.
Like, there's so much that wecan be doing.
So, you know, some of it'sgoing to be educational, for sure.
There's so much.
I feel like we don't.
People don't know orunderstand about this time of life.
(12:43):
But even more than that, Ithink it's going to be, like, real
raw and just super empowering.
I hope.
I hope.
I want women to, like, takeback control of this amazing time
in their life.
Yes.
Yeah.
Okay, good.
Yeah, we're on the same.
I mean, we're.
We.
I know we're on the same page, but.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think all our listeners aregoing to be on the same page, so
(13:06):
for sure.
I. I feel a few things I'dlove to bring to the table are our
relationship like, how we met,stuff like that.
Because I think sisterhood hasbeen a sisterhood wound.
I'm already getting emotional.
I'm ovulating.
Day 13 of my cycle.
(13:29):
Anyway.
Yeah, so I. Sisterhood, like,I've healed so many sisterhood wounds
from, like, my earlychildhood, in my 40s, realizing the
power of women bandingtogether in the lies we've been told,
and also the.
(13:49):
That we hold against eachother and the judgments and stuff.
You know, like, if.
If.
Oh, my gosh, if I had friendslike I have now in my 30s, I'd be
in a totally different placein my life, honestly.
Yeah.
In terms of, like, every areaof my life.
Money, love, business, everything.
Everything.
Yeah.
What else I'd love to bring to.
(14:11):
Oh, I'd love to bring a lot ofour personal life.
So my love life, which is.
It's a fucking Sex in the City.
You can't make this shit up.
You can't make this shit up.
I know that's gonna be hysterical.
So even things developing aswe speak at the time of this recording.
But we'll probably be able totalk about it soon, for sure.
(14:34):
But so much of that, you beinga mom.
Yeah.
Like a mom later in life, too,I think is a really interesting thing.
I was the type of woman who.
So you'll learn this about me,but just total, like, hyper vigilant,
over performing, total traumaresponse to craziness in my early
(14:57):
life.
But I was the type of personwho thought that I could be at all
do it all and have it all.
And that was like, mydefinition of success.
And it took me really becominga mom to realize that that's not
like.
It's not necessarily the fancycar and the fancy house and the money
and.
Not that you can't have thosethings, but, like, it's about finding
(15:17):
true, like, satisfaction in life.
Right.
And so what does that mean to you?
It looks a lot different for everybody.
Right, Right.
And this is going to beinteresting because I.
You.
You are married with children.
Yep.
I am single, yes.
With no.
No biological children.
(15:37):
As my husband says, that Iknow of.
I think I would know if a babycame out of my pom poom.
The old kitten down there,she'd know.
She'd know.
But, yeah, no, you're right.
That I know.
But I have participated in theraising of children, so I do have
interesting perspective.
(15:57):
But, yeah, I think that weboth bring such different perspectives.
So to be 46 and never marriedis definitely a rare animal in the
wild.
Super excited.
All right, well, until nexttime, sending the highest of vibes
your way.
We hope you love the show asmuch as we love doing it.
To learn more and join the modern.
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because this conversationdoesn't end here.
And until next time, keepquestioning the smell, smoke and
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And remember, you're notlosing your mind, you're finding
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(16:41):
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(17:04):
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Ever find yourself at 2amlike, what the actual fuck is happening
to me?
Spoiler.
It's not just your hormones.
It's your life cracking wide open.
And no one warned you.
I'm Jenna, clinic CEO,menopause whisperer, and recovering
people pleaser turned truth slayer.
And I am Dr. Liana, menopauseexpert and medical rebel who's done
(00:25):
playing nice.
Welcome to Smoke, Mirrors, and Perimenopause.
We're not here to gracefully age.
We're here to blow shit upwith truth, science, and zero filters.
So follow the show and stepinto your I don't give a fuck era.
No shame, all flame.
Let's fucking do this.
(00:46):
Hi.
Hi.
Here we are.
We're here.
We're here.
It's episode one and Cold brew.
Yes.
On a really hot day.
On a really fucking hot day inPrinceton, New Jersey.
It's over 100 degrees.
Yeah.
(01:06):
All right.
So as if anyone inperimenopause or menopause needs
it to be this fucking hot.
Yeah.
No, not at all.
Not at all.
So, um, we're here, and thisis gonna be.
People are gonna lose theirminds when this drops, when they
see that we're doing this.
(01:27):
So tell everyone how we cameup with this idea.
Cause, like, people are gonnabe like, what?
What?
They're gonna lose their minds.
Well, I feel like there's beena collaboration waiting to happen
for, like, almost a decade.
Right.
As long as we've known each other.
But given the fact that we'rearound the same age and shit starts
hitting the fan or startedhitting the fan for both of time,
(01:50):
and just our, like, bestiegirl talks where we would get on
the phone and start ranting,and I would be like, we should have
recorded that because that'ssome good content right there.
Yeah, Yeah, I agree.
Well, I think we graduated.
Like, we went from voicenoting, went from texting, and then
(02:11):
we voice noted, where's your coffee?
Or you try.
It's gone.
Oh.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
So you did need that, huh?
That's so appropriate.
Yeah.
Perimenopause.
I already forgot what I wassaying two seconds ago.
(02:32):
There you go.
No, so we were.
Okay, so we texted, and thenwe started doing voice notes, and
then we got on the phone, andthen we would get on Zoom meetings
to catch up, and then thoseZoom meetings went from very random,
and, like, it would be like, amonth in between.
We talk to each other, andthen we talk to each other, and we'd
(02:54):
be like, oh, my gosh, we haveto do this more frequently.
And then it was like, okay, weneed to put something in the calendar.
Because I think, as bothentrepreneurs, where if it's not
in the calendar, doesn't happen.
Doesn't happen.
Exactly.
So, yeah.
So now every Friday morning,we've been doing zoom meetings a
few times at least.
And then here we are.
I was like, we should berecording these conversations because
(03:19):
they're just so good.
Like, the entire world needs.
Needs this kind of medicine, essentially.
Girlfriend medicine.
That's exactly what it is.
We've been dosing each otherwith girlfriend medicine.
I know my oring loves it.
Aw.
Oh, my God.
Seriously?
You're such a nerd.
I check your oura ring after.
I do.
After our conversations, youcheck your oura ring.
(03:40):
I love you.
I love you.
That's so funny.
So we're both menopause experts.
Obviously not just becausewe're going through perimenopause.
Because, like, you know, thewhole world now is like, perimenopause
expert.
Right.
And we're kind of over that.
Yeah, yeah.
(04:01):
Because no one does it well.
Like, no one's really doing it well.
Say it again, sister.
Yeah.
I mean, either you're nottalking about it right, in healthcare
or.
And dismissing women who arecomplaining of their symptomatology,
or they're just throwinghormones at it without understanding
the individual.
(04:21):
Like, there's just so muchmisunderstanding, misinformation,
mistreatment, maltreatment.
I don't know what the word is,but shitty.
Shitty treatment.
Yeah.
Shitty treatment.
That is what it is.
So, yeah, we.
We're here to talk about the truth.
(04:41):
Talk about what women really need.
Yeah, you said a mouthful with.
Gosh, that's.
That's gotta be.
I mean, that's gonna be anepisode all on its own, is the people
are doing hormone replacementtherapy alone with nothing else.
Like, oh, so, yeah, you're.
You're in.
You're going throughperimenopause or menopausal.
Like, let's just give youhormones and thinking that that's
(05:05):
going to fix the problem.
And people think it's a magicbullet, but it's actually not.
It's just a piece of the puzzle.
Exactly.
And you're right.
And I think, as you know, you.
Both of us being in thefunctional medicine world, integrative
medicine world for what, thelast decade at least, we both get
that everything just has to bea holistic approach.
(05:29):
Yeah.
Because nothing operates inisolation, not even your hormones.
Right, Right.
And that's like the wholepremise of, like, the whole.
Like, when you first learnabout hormones and biochemistry,
like, not even.
This is even undergrad studies.
Like when you takebiochemistry or A and P anatomy,
physiology in undergrad, it's.
You learn all about negativefeedback systems, negative feedback
(05:52):
loops.
Like, you tweak or you turnthe volume up on one hormone and
the volume goes down andanother hormone, like, they literally
affect each other.
And so people just think, oh,I gotta fix my thyroid.
But then you fix your thyroidand then you mess up your cortisol,
right?
Or you make your adrenalglands worse.
So people don't get that, thatyou are essentially affecting everything.
(06:14):
It's all connected, right?
Yeah, everything's connected.
Can't treat one thing in isolation.
So we're here to talk about that.
We're here to break that openand share with women what we know
and what we've learned asprofessionals, as experts in the
space, but also as women whoare going.
Just going through it.
Right, right, right.
(06:36):
The other, the other key, theother piece of the puzzle is absolutely
the whole mindset piece.
And yeah, that's huge.
Huge.
And I love that we're going tobring that piece of the puzzle here
for people because it's notjust about, oh, your nutrition.
Like, there's so many wellnesspodcasts and wellness influencers
(06:59):
out there now talking aboutperimenopause and menopause and how
you should be eating and howyou should be lifting and working
out and all that.
And that's great.
I love it.
I'm not poo pooing it, but Iam sort of poo pooing it in a certain
way.
Like, because it's just.
There's so much more to themindset of what happens in the transition.
(07:19):
Like, it just for me.
So when I hit, like, 40 andearly 40s, it was like, I just.
It was this uncontrollable.
Like, my mouth just went outof control.
Like, I just.
There's, like, the truth wouldjust come flying out and, you know,
I used to be like that when Iwas a little girl, right?
And people used to give my momshit for being like, oh, my God,
(07:41):
you let that little girl havesuch an attitude and this and that.
My mom, she'd be like, yeah,yeah, I know, I know, I'm a bad mom,
whatever.
But in her mind, she was like,yeah, well, I'm teaching my little
girl to, like, speak up, speakher voice, be loud, take up space.
She wanted that for me becausemy mom was like a hippie love child.
Like, so my.
She was not your typical,like, you know, traditional Puerto
(08:04):
Rican woman.
So so when you're 40 for me,and I know for a lot of women, you
start speaking your truth,because hormones stop.
Stop the facade of, like,taking other people's shit.
Yeah, yeah.
And I think just where you areat a point in your life, like, by
the time you, you know, hityour mid-40s or even 50s, it's like
(08:26):
you've been.
If you have been that personwho's been proving, performing, people
pleasing, doing all of thosethings, showing up for everybody
else, but not for yourself.
I just feel like it's a timein your life where you take a step
back and you're like, what thefuck, right?
Like, who am I?
Where am I?
(08:46):
Where do I want to be?
And it's a total just, like,assessment, reassessment, recalibration
process, like, almost steppinginto a new version of you.
And that's what I want womento understand, too, is like.
It's almost like I justvisualize, like, a snake, like, shedding
its skin, right?
Stepping into, like, just awhole new opportunity and, like,
(09:09):
life 2.0.
Right?
It really is life 2.0.
Like, I'm so.
I love being in my 40s.
My God.
Oh.
If you'd have told me it hadbeen this juicy, oh, my God.
Like, everything is better,and the sex is even better.
I.
It's just incredible to me.
And so I think the.
(09:31):
The.
The piece of the puzzle thatwe bring that's so unique, especially
you, is we've both done somuch identity work as entrepreneurs,
right?
We've done so much, like,wealth consciousness, you know, peeling
back layers of subconscious,limiting beliefs, you know, and you
as, like, a subconscioussuccess coach, like, you're getting
(09:53):
in there.
You're getting in there.
Yeah.
And, like, we.
We've done so.
You know, we've been in.
We should probably tell peoplehow we met, but, like, we've done
so much of that work inmasterminds and business mentorships
and all that that, you know,combined with what we know how to
help people in the healthspace, it's just like a home run.
(10:15):
So I'm just tooting our horn alittle bit.
Yeah, No, I love that.
And you're right, you know,like, I think we've been very fortunate,
very blessed that we had theopportunity to do all of that work
coming into our 40s and, like,then showing up in our mid-40s and
feeling, like, pretty solidwith where we are, right?
Like, the ability to actuallyembrace that and step into your purpose,
passion, potential, all thatis just beautiful.
(10:37):
But I don't Think many womenhave that opportunity.
So I think part of this is,like, creating that space, right?
So that they can see, like,feel seen, heard, understood, empowered
through the process.
Because it's such a beautiful time.
It really is.
Oh, my gosh, it's so empowering.
Yeah.
(10:58):
Yeah.
And, you know, gosh, it's somany realizations.
So many realizations.
So many.
Like, the.
It's.
It's like I sit.
It's like a constant ayahuasca ceremony.
It's like a. I swear, it's like.
Except to my 40s, and it waslike complete plant medicine ceremony
(11:19):
of just like, wait, what?
Okay, so this is reality.
Okay, got it.
Yeah.
And, yeah, so.
But then all the emotions of,like, grieving of, like, oh, so what
I was living wasn't reality?
Like, oh, no.
But then.
But then what's coming or what is.
Is so much better.
It just keeps getting better.
(11:39):
Better.
Anyway, that's my take on it.
I mean, it's not that it's allrainbows and glitter and shit.
Yeah.
But.
But it also doesn't need to bemiserable, right?
It doesn't need to be miserable.
Thank you.
Yeah, that's really good.
So what people should expect.
Let's wrap up with that.
(11:59):
All right.
Well, I mean.
I mean, we said this is goingto be raw and real.
Very little editing.
So.
Yeah, let's just bring you the truth.
I mean, there's certainlygoing to be some health stuff that
we talk about.
Right.
Like, tired of people walkingto women in midlife, walking into
our clinic and being like, oh,I went to my OB GYN and told them
(12:21):
I feel like absolute dog.
And they're like, oh, that'sjust menopause.
Suck it up.
No, that.
That's not true.
Like, that's not how we roll.
Like, there's so much that wecan be doing.
So, you know, some of it'sgoing to be educational, for sure.
There's so much.
I feel like we don't.
People don't know orunderstand about this time of life.
(12:43):
But even more than that, Ithink it's going to be, like, real
raw and just super empowering.
I hope.
I hope.
I want women to, like, takeback control of this amazing time
in their life.
Yes.
Yeah.
Okay, good.
Yeah, we're on the same.
I mean, we're.
We.
I know we're on the same page, but.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think all our listeners aregoing to be on the same page, so
(13:06):
for sure.
I. I feel a few things I'dlove to bring to the table are our
relationship like, how we met,stuff like that.
Because I think sisterhood hasbeen a sisterhood wound.
I'm already getting emotional.
I'm ovulating.
Day 13 of my cycle.
(13:29):
Anyway.
Yeah, so I. Sisterhood, like,I've healed so many sisterhood wounds
from, like, my earlychildhood, in my 40s, realizing the
power of women bandingtogether in the lies we've been told,
and also the.
(13:49):
That we hold against eachother and the judgments and stuff.
You know, like, if.
If.
Oh, my gosh, if I had friendslike I have now in my 30s, I'd be
in a totally different placein my life, honestly.
Yeah.
In terms of, like, every areaof my life.
Money, love, business, everything.
Everything.
Yeah.
What else I'd love to bring to.
(14:11):
Oh, I'd love to bring a lot ofour personal life.
So my love life, which is.
It's a fucking Sex in the City.
You can't make this shit up.
You can't make this shit up.
I know that's gonna be hysterical.
So even things developing aswe speak at the time of this recording.
But we'll probably be able totalk about it soon, for sure.
(14:34):
But so much of that, you beinga mom.
Yeah.
Like a mom later in life, too,I think is a really interesting thing.
I was the type of woman who.
So you'll learn this about me,but just total, like, hyper vigilant,
over performing, total traumaresponse to craziness in my early
(14:57):
life.
But I was the type of personwho thought that I could be at all
do it all and have it all.
And that was like, mydefinition of success.
And it took me really becominga mom to realize that that's not
like.
It's not necessarily the fancycar and the fancy house and the money
and.
Not that you can't have thosethings, but, like, it's about finding
(15:17):
true, like, satisfaction in life.
Right.
And so what does that mean to you?
It looks a lot different for everybody.
Right, Right.
And this is going to beinteresting because I.
You.
You are married with children.
Yep.
I am single, yes.
With no.
No biological children.
(15:37):
As my husband says, that Iknow of.
I think I would know if a babycame out of my pom poom.
The old kitten down there,she'd know.
She'd know.
But, yeah, no, you're right.
That I know.
But I have participated in theraising of children, so I do have
interesting perspective.
(15:57):
But, yeah, I think that weboth bring such different perspectives.
So to be 46 and never marriedis definitely a rare animal in the
wild.
Super excited.
All right, well, until nexttime, sending the highest of vibes
your way.
We hope you love the show asmuch as we love doing it.
To learn more and join the modern.
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Menopause movement, visitmodernmenow.com that's modernmenow.com
because this conversationdoesn't end here.
And until next time, keepquestioning the smell, smoke and
mirrors.
And remember, you're notlosing your mind, you're finding
your truth and a quick.
But boring disclaimer justnecessary to say Anything discussed
in this podcast is foreducational and informational purposes
(16:41):
only and solely is a self helptool for your own use.
We are not providing medical,psychological or nutrition therapy
advice.
You should not use thisinformation to diagnose or treat
any health problems orillnesses without consulting your
own medical practitioner.
Always seek the advice of yourown medical practitioner and or mental
health provider about yourspecific health situation.
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