#29 Trump, Trauma, and the Timeline Split

What do Roblox, Donkey Kong, and yelling at your friends about Trump have in common? Apparently, everything. In this second part of our discussion with @birdlets we cover digital intimacy, youth activism, and why memes aren’t enough to save us. This episode is chaotic, heartfelt, and exactly what you need to hear when you're caught between hopelessness and action.

Episode Transcript

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Well, we're sitting two hours. That's fine.
What 2 hours is a long time? And then the second follow up

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question was, how old are you when Trump was president the
first time? Oh yeah, I think.
I was 20/20/21. I I think I was 21.
Yeah, I was. I must have been 20.
Really. I think so.
Because I was 22. You were definitely younger
than. I I just remember it because I
remember you. Were 22 probably in 2016.
Yeah, because my brother was. That's right, I was 22/19/20.

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I must have been 20 or 21. No, you were not 20 or 21.
You were younger than that. No, I was not.
Oh, by far. I was not.
Him and I I got married when I was 21 and this is a year before
Trump was president. So I got married in 2015 and I
turned 21 one month after my my wedding ceremony.
So in 2016 when Trump was president, that means I'm 22.
If you are about 3 years youngerthan me, then that means that

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you are about 18. I was not 18.
Then we folks have literally this is the timeline split.
OK, maybe I was 19, I don't know, but I.
Had to have been 19. You had to have been 19 then.
I don't you know how you. Want to tell us what year you
were born? 1996.
Does anybody want to do the maththere 1996?

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You were. When's your birthday exactly?
So 1996, 2006, 16, that's 20 years.
So you were 20I? Was 20, I was 20 and.
I must have been turning 23 thatyear.
So I was turning 23 that year. And you were 22 because I'm
older than you by like 6 months.So that makes sense.
So now I understand. OK, so you were 20 when when

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Trump wasn't president. I also as a 23 year old did not
see any of that increase in violence towards women.
I only heard about it online. Oh, I saw.
Yeah, but you and I were in bothcompletely different spaces, and
you could argue that I was essentially not looking for it
or refusing to see it because myworldview was a lot different

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than what it is now, so. I will also add, I was like out
like in the streets a lot. So like, just in general, you're
going to face more violence if you're, if you look like a woman
and you are yelling and fighting.
Oh, for sure. You know, just like, like on top
of everything else, like, just just to clarify, also like, oh,
yeah, you know, it. It was a really, really tense

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time. There had been a lot like it.
This wasn't much. It wasn't too long after Mike
Brown. Chicago has some of the worst
cops in the world. And so we were already pretty
riled up. And so I was also working in the
service industry at the time. I had two service industry drops
and I went to school full time, so I feel like I saw a lot of
that violence change on like multiple different levels in

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different spaces. And yeah, 20, shit, I was so
young. I was a baby.
Did you understand what was happening?
Absolutely. Did you see the in like in Lord
of the Rings? You know that army that's
coming? Do you see the army coming?
You know I'll flog. It's about to get crazy.
I think just in general, like having grown up as a quote girl,
yeah, you're sexualized from thesecond you are outside of the

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womb. I'm not joking.
OK? I was not surprised, but I, I
wasn't expecting the level of vitriol.
You know, the speed with which Iended up like getting birth
control was crazy because I was like, oh, these dudes are out
here and they like, they're mad.They're mad at me for some
reason. Because also there's an added
level of anger too, because bothin both 2016 and 2020 elections,

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the other candidates were women.And so whatever, like sexism was
going on under there also kind of pushed up that attitude.
Right. Yeah.
And so they kind of felt like, Imean, I don't know if you
remember, like they used to chant, they were going to like
lock Hillary up. I do remember they would say the
most fucked up shit about what they were going to do to her.
And then they would be like, oh,there's a woman.

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We'll just do that instead. Like the like, it completely
changed. And I think there's a difference
for me from, like, growing up being sexualized to fearing for
my life in a different way, the physical violence versus the,
like, coercion of it. OK.
And I don't think it necessarilychanged.
Maybe I just grew up and I put it away for a while.

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And then he went back into it a second time.
And I just like unlocked anotherlevel of exhaustion for me I
think. And then going, so let's Fast
forward to 2024, so election year, what's going through your
mind? Like do you think he's going to
win it? Obviously you hope he's not
going to, but what did What was going through your mind?

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I think I knew he was going to win it.
Shit. But I couldn't survive and think
like that, you know, But my brother and I talked about it a
lot. We'd have these like long, long
conversations and we were on different ends.
Like he was convinced that Kamala was going to win.
And I was like, I just don't think, I don't think it's going
to happen. Like there's there's something
about Trump that like taps into men's anger and the sense of

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disrespect that people are feeling that she can't she can't
access because the way that she fucking talks.
Like, I don't know what her political thing there, but Carl
just starts on a tangent. She's worse than I am.
Like, I don't know. OK, so, so as the IT gets close
to the election, are you are youpreparing for this mentally,

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physically like how do you? Yeah, I went back on birth
control. We bought a bunch of Plan B,
made sure our passports were updated, checked in with my
family members and family members of like, people we cared
about. Just making sure everyone was
ready. And then it happened basically
exactly like we thought it was going to.
Having had experience with him being president before, did that

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change anything? Do you feel a little more
adequate this time around? Did it not matter really?
I think I was like, part of thathas to do with age.
I was so angry when I was younger.
I was like so full of this weirdrighteousness.
I was so sure that I had power over the direction of this
country was going in and we all didn't post COVID.

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COVID was like the nail in the coffin for my belief in the
system that I didn't even know Ihad still somewhere because I
would just kind of be like, not again.
But we still got to vote. And then COVID happened and
people I cared about died and I was kind of it, it was over for
me mentally. I don't think I ever really got
back up after that. So with this, I think I've
struggled a lot more with finding like some kind of hope

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after this in in a way that backthen I was so fired up about
doing something. Yeah, I remember feeling that,
like visceral response to like the the kids coming, like, let's
do this shit. Yeah.
But then it happens and like youget worn out.
Yeah, you do. You know, like I remember
checking out after his first year being in office, I'm like,

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like, call me when we're burningstuff down.
But until then, like, I'm not. I'm kind of done here, Yeah.
That's, that's fair. I mean, there's so many stories
of, like, even the women who started the, like, official
Black Lives Matter movement, they tapped out.
Yeah. They couldn't.
They couldn't do it anymore. Like he, he burned out.
It is exhausting, traumatic work.
They can't keep it up. No one can.

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But that's also, like, the otherside's plan.
I don't even know at this point.I'm just tired.
I think that's what it comes down to.
I'm really tired all the time. So we're not even a year into
his current fucking regime, but how do you feel right now as of
this second? In regards to.
Like, do you have a way like, let's say someone a little bit
younger than you come up to you and they're all so queer, but

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also young and like have lots oflike, you know, a lot of like
natural anger in them, but they don't know what to do with it.
They're scared because they see crazy shit happening on their
phone. Their parents are scared.
How do you how do you explain all this to them?
I don't even know if I'm the right person to explain it
anymore. I think maybe if someone had
asked me 6-7 years ago, I would have had something to say.
Yeah. But I think at this point I can,

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I could only encourage them to, to look towards a better world
because I there's some quote about the arc of history bends
towards justice. But I don't feel as though I'm
I'm able to put up that extra energy right now.
So I would just encourage them Iguess, and remind them that like
people like us have survived forso long in the face of
everything and we're going to survive this too.

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But I don't know if I could say that with my whole chest because
I'm exhausted. But I'm sure that the people who
came before me were exhausted too.
You know, they made it work. I just, I can't ask them.
So I don't really know. Right.
Yeah, I remember seeing a lot ofthat right after the election.
There was a lot of like, I thinkthey're being cautiously,
cautiously optimistic when they said what you just said.
There's been, there's been worse, literally, and people

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still got through it. So no one has a clear answer as
to how or what's going to come and how to get through it.
But worse has happened. So surely we'll get through
this, whatever this is. But I still I very much dislike
that approach that like you justhave to survive it.
Like I hate that. But I don't really have any
other answers right now. Yeah, that's the eternal
struggle of, you know, we've seen bad shit happen before, so

(09:00):
we're seeing it again and we theoretically you can get past
it. But yeah, it's it's frustrating.
Yeah, cuz there's no answer. For me, what I would like to see
is like when I look at the stateof the mind, I guess, of people
who are not conservative and whoare not happy about Trump's
presidency, we like, we live in a lot of ambiguity, right?
Because I'm, I'm myself, like I don't know what's going to

(09:21):
happen in three years. Like, I don't know how the
president's he's going to end. Like I really, I really cannot
stay confident. Like, Oh yeah, there's just
going to be somebody else and we're going to have another
primary election between 2 brandnew people.
Like, I don't know. I really don't know.
Because everything that happens,I think the only thing that
we're doing right now in cultureis just reacting.
Like we don't know what to do. We can only react.
It's emergency. Culture and so that's why it's

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like literally when I when the Iran strikes happened, like I
was on top of that right away because what was my I had told
you I was like my first conspiracy was on Iraq 2 point O
and then at worst, a wider, wider conflict so that that
could be used like an FDR momentso Trump could stay in power for

(10:04):
like a third term. So the worst case scenario was
like World War three. Trump needs to needs a third
term to pull the country together because nobody else can
do it. But that's still 3 weeks, three
years away. I don't know.
And then as the dust started to settle, I got more upset with
like particularly a few people on TikTok.
And we're just like World War three.

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Like America has just we're at war with Iran.
And I'm like, shut the fuck up. No, we're not.
And so that's why I did that episode.
But I think what I would like tosee as a response in this, in
this like ambiguous state, alongwith reacting, because we're
really good at reacting. And if we have good organizers
and stuff like that, we can react in great ways like the,

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you know, the kings protest and all those sorts of things.
But I think what I would what itwould be really cool.
And I can only say this as somebody who lives in in like
one of the most liberal states in the country.
But I think the solution to thatis to like find, you know, more
people who are alike and have those discussions communally,
not the discussions that you want to have as a community.

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They're the discussions that arenecessary for survival, like
learning about coding, learning about coding, not, not, not
computer coding, but learning about like essentially, how
would I say this? Communing.
No, like I mean in this community you would learn about
coding from different people andhow they survive essentially in.
Intersectional coding. Intersectional coding, yeah.

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So you would have discussions like that, but also like,
because I believe that there is a lot of like refuge in in
numbers of like minded people who share the same goals and
visions. Ideally you're able to replicate
that more and more. And so you're able to ease some
anxieties. Like if you just got a group of
three people, say you got a group of 10 people and y'all are
afraid as hell, then yeah, everything is just going to

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become this panic. But if you have a few hopeful
people and that's why you're gathering because you're
gathering with the aim of being intentional, like look, I don't
know what's going on right now and I don't really know where to
turn to because I kind of know like I'm kind of learning, like
some of my Co workers might be like a little bit kind of not as
aware as what's going on. Or they might kind of be in
support a little bit of some of this.

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And that kind of freaks me out because I don't think they
really know like what I'm about.And if they did, that might
cause some issues in some place like a workplace.
Workplace is a nice place to come in kind of like a de
neutralized zone depending on where you were, at least in my
setting, it's a good de neutralized zone where you don't
lead off with like political ideals and a lot of the big

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ticket things. So there's a lot of more
ambiguity, ambiguity there. It doesn't until like, you know,
a circumstance happens or even then we're still pretty good at
being ambiguous. But once you start to learn
like, say in that workplace, like, you know, I learned like,
oh, this person is not this person is, you know, very gay or
this person is very against likethey're they're a cisgender

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heterosexual person, but they hate Trump.
If you could somehow bring all those people together on the
common grounds of the of the shared frustrations and like
fear of, say, the current administration that represents a
larger systemic issue, then I think you can do a lot more.
But we never get to that point. All we know how to do is react.

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So we'll show up to the proteststhat are viral, virally
advertised online, but we don't know what to do before that like
or in the meantime, as you were saying.
We're like you just. Click checked after after you're
like, I don't know man, dude, just let me know when it's
worse. Like it on fire and I'll be
there. Yeah.
So we're great at reacting, but we really, really, really need
to be intentional on like collecting ourselves and

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becoming our own sense of refuge.
We know how to do that online tosome degree because online
people who are are left-leaning,progressive or leftist, they
sometimes shoot themselves in the foot because they are so
passionate about educating and class consciousness that
sometimes it's just constant fear baiting and fear mongering.
Like I had said, I was saying, well, well educated, you know,

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well meaning leftist people using the language of war and
all this stuff to get people to,you know, see, see, This is why
Trump is evil, OK? We already know Trump is up.
We already know the Republican Party is fucked up.
That's not the issue at hand. I think what we need to be doing
is educating each other how to comprehend what is happening in

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the most literate way, rather than doing what we know how to
do best and is reacting because again, everybody's like World
War three. This is it.
You know what I mean? The only thing we could do react
to that was memes, you know, Comedy is always just the one
way we cope with tragedy. I mean, do you remember, like
most activism happens without a lot of fanfare, Like, Georgia

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has burned almost completely blue.
And that's literally because of grassroots activism that's been
going on for 1015 years. That's the only like, just hard
work of getting the communities,especially communities of color,
like galvanized and connected. And as a result, it's some of
the most powerful voting bodies in the country.
Yeah. And that's that's just long term

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work. It's work that I think a lot of
people either are afraid to do, aren't sure how to approach.
Sometimes they feel like just protesting or yelling is enough,
but it ends up being some level of catharsis.
But like, most of the work is slow and it's hard.
It doesn't pay off 90% of the time.
And it's the people that stick with it, you know, like Stacey
Abrams, that like, really are able to push through and that

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it's so long. It takes decades.
Because you know why? That's your life.
It's a way of living. It's not a way of reacting.
It's it. That's what takes place in
between the reactor. Oh, literally, I was about to
say. That's why I like, I've been
talking a lot, Like I've so badly want to get like a group
started. You know, I've told both of you
guys, I was like, I want to justsee if there's any I can call

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anybody out in the alley area. Just be like, you know, on the
basis of mental health. But that's because to me, you
know, mental health and like activism, politics, those are
all intertwined. Like you cannot escape one
without the detriment of another.
And so, yeah, it's a long, arduous process because it's a
life process. It's a way of living.
And you're, you're choosing to live that way in a system that

(16:14):
is completely opposed to that. Yeah.
So like when you have awesome movements like the Black Lives
Matter, those movements get so big and so, so like successful
in some degree that they are literally met with the full
force of the second binary, the full force of the opposing
thought. Yeah, Right.
And so it's very easy to see just two sides is very apparent

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when we have events like that right side of history, wrong
side of history, liberals, whatever, However conservatives,
however you want to label it, it's this now has become a
binary issue. But what you don't see is all
the work being done down here, which is many grass roots that
just he didn't get as big and successful as Black Lives.
There's something wrong with a movement like that at all.

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Fantastic. That's great when that happens
because you get conversations going.
And that was the turning point for me in which I started to to
think more about systemic issues.
Prior to 2020, I did not have a framework for systematic racism,
and that's just because of my background, and that's because
of the worldview I had and because of the bubble that I've
lived inside. It took me like at least a year

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into the whole Black Lives movement to really be like, wait
a second, why am I so uncomfortable?
And why is a lot of this starting to make sense?
It challenged me, and now I know.
So movements like that are absolutely needed, but the work
is done in the much smaller communities.
That's where I want to be. That's where you got to get
into, you know what I mean? That's what needs to be
happening in between. Well, that movements the

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culmination of hundreds of. Years we actually, we touched on
this during the I think the fireepisode.
Did you remember? I think what I said was one of
the few Silver Linings of like the ice stuff happening in
places like LA is that people have to come together now.
So if you ask any like I don't know what term to use, like
socially conscientious person, that's really all about learning

(18:02):
the terminology. Go read the Communist Manifesto.
We'll learn about Marxism, get organized.
They love saying get organized. And it's it's all like
well-intentioned, but they're going off of like what they've
read off of history and whatnot.Yes.
So they know about the boycotts,all the protests that take
place. So in their minds they know, all

(18:22):
right, we need to come together.We need to vocally oppose this
thing and then we'll get what wewant.
And it's a part of the step there.
But they didn't have the the lived experience of like being
around in the 60s. So what they didn't see was
they're they're going to be vocal against whatever it is,
but the system fights back. It doesn't take it lying down.
And that back and forth is constant and brutal.

(18:44):
So because you weren't there andno one had smartphones back
then, like people got hit in theface.
Literally, you know, people wentto jail.
Some people did make it. And I saw this first hand during
2020. So the thing was it was
nationwide and it felt very positive.
But I remember like the morale going down relatively quickly.

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Like I remember it started earlysummer.
So by the end of July, Amber seeing this frustration of like,
fuck, we've been showing up and we're not seeing the change and
no one knew what was going on. And it hit me like, yeah, we've
already done the part of, of yelling into the air, into the
ether. But now what comes after this is

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all the the actual work that comes into it.
So if you're gonna boycott something, get everyone on the
same page. Know what you're boycotting for
how long? And sometimes it's easier said
than done. Like we talked about the Target
stuff and I said initially I waspretty, I was like somewhat
cynical. I thought people were gonna
boycott for like a certain amount of time and then go back
to Target. What's been reassuring is that
people have been have been boycotting it ever since.

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Yeah. And we talked about this, we
said for some people it's going to be easier than others because
some people live in food deserts, right?
So they rely on places like Target.
So they're not going to go to Target to get the groceries.
Like, what are they going to do?Or sometimes they live in just
like cities that only have a Target and a Walmart and that's
it. The other thing is if you have
different people in different places, so small percentage of

(20:09):
the population, like they're theones that are like a labeled
activist. They did all the reading.
They're willing to participate. It's only a small percentage of
people. After that, you have like the
majority that just doesn't thinkabout these things.
So when you have something like ICE, someone put this, they
worded it really well. They said when 2020 happened,
everyone was on on the side of Black Lives Matter.
They were showing solidarity with Black Lives Matter, but the

(20:30):
catalyst was George Floyd. But for most people, George
Floyd, that incident was something that happened
somewhere else. Ice is happening everywhere all
at once. So you're gonna have a similar
reaction where you're seeing like a, a nationwide outrage
that extends beyond just the people willing to participate
directly, but you're probably going to see this escalate even
further because The thing is happening right in front of
them. So it's happening to them

(20:51):
directly or it's happening to their neighbor, their Co worker,
whatever. And I personally hope like a
month from now, like something'sgoing to go off.
Like literally we saw and we know this to be true.
ICE won't go to certain places where they know they're going to
be met with opposition. Right, because it has happened.
Yeah, and they tried it in the during the first week of the of
the raids they tried to go into like South LA and South LA said

(21:12):
what's up? Yeah, and I suppose like
nothing. And they they went the opposite
direction. Yeah.
And so they've been changing their tactics to where, yeah,
basically they know where they're not going to be met with
opposition, right. And sometimes it still happens
anyway, like it happened in Bellbells technically S LA, but it's
yeah, it's like SE. So it's not it's not S LA, it's
not Compton, it's not Watts. So they went in thinking they're

(21:35):
going to do what they've been doing elsewhere and it didn't
work. So that's cool.
And that's kind of it's a long winded way of saying it's
forcing people to come together who like don't have politics
really. Like at best, a lot of people
who are angry about this, they vote once every four years, but
in between all that, they don't like put you too much thought
into this. You know, they check out after
the whatever elections coming up, but this is forcing people

(21:57):
to do the things we've been wanting them to, to organize, to
talk to one another, to share information, to read up on shit,
to throw shit. So all that to say is if you
could convince. And mind you, it's only like a
small percentage of the population that's like actively
fighting against ice. If you could get just a third of
LALA is 9 million. I'm probably wrong about no no,

(22:20):
it's less than that anyway. If you could get just a third of
LA to come out consistently, this shit could be over
tomorrow. Yeah, I think a lot of like
activism right now is also a little confused because there
are people within, like different factions that are like
trying to fight to go back to a system that they believe work.
And from everything I've read and come to understand is that

(22:40):
most of the time, even when people, it was like baseline
abolition, like there was no future, you know, they were
fighting for something they knewthey wouldn't live to see.
And I think where we're at now, there was this false sense of
like, you know, we we're going back into like a nostalgia
outlook. We're like, ah, the 90s, ah, the
80s. Like these were the times where
things were quote good. But the truth is that like all

(23:03):
of these activist movements thatwere based in these really
powerful, like decades of change, we're looking towards a
future that they, they couldn't see.
They just believed was out thereand was possible.
Yeah. And so as we congregate and
discuss and try and decide how we move forward, it's also, I
think a discussion of what kind of future.
Do we want to say, do we want tobuild a better one, or do we

(23:26):
want to maintain the existing structure that we've all grown
up in just because it's comfortable?
Yeah. That's that's the kind of having
different people in different places, whatever in their
growth. Yeah, but the the hope is the
Internet, that's the one tool that's that's literally getting
the information out there. Yeah, the Internet.
And like this happening right infront of them.
Yeah. Because I I'm that kind of

(23:48):
person who would have said to you months ago that Trump being
president again is like the worst thing ever.
Yeah, it's for sure the less, the worst of two evils.
Like, I, I was that guy. I've been telling you this whole
time like, we can't let that happen.
And then when it happened, I waslike, fuck, you know.
And so it's like, yeah, I've been proven right this whole
time. But like, that, that that's a

(24:08):
worst case scenario. I shouldn't be right about any
of this, you know? So all that to say is that now
everyone like more people are seeing things the way like we've
seen it, you know, like you saw the worst of it when he came to
president both times where it's like, again, like not everyone
can relate to what you've gone through.
A lot of people can, but not everyone can, you know?
And I can't relate to what otherpeople have gone through.
Like, every group is going to have their own specific

(24:28):
experience with the systems thatare oppressing us in the first
place. But the idea is not to believe
that yours is the only one that's true.
Exactly. And that's what the this is
doing. It's like it's grabbing people
again. It's they.
We were told only the criminals were going to be taken.
We've been seeing people who weren't criminals taken.
We were told that so long as you're a legal citizen, you'll

(24:48):
be fine. They've taken people who are a
legal citizen. We were told that no, no, no.
Like, if if you were at least born here, you're solid.
People who were born here have been taken.
Yeah. OK.
So long as like, you know, you have, you don't have melanin,
you know what's in a word? That was the lie they were told
to white people. You'll be fine.
Everyone else, like, they'll figure it out.
They've been taking white peopleso like.

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They've been taking white people.
They've been taking women. Like it isn't just women.
It isn't just men. They've been taking women too.
So, like, this system clearly doesn't discriminate.
It's all you all at once. You know what I mean?
Yeah, So that's what I've been saying like this is really.
And you see the growing pains because a lot of talk has to
happen all at once. But like nothing, nothing gets
people together better than a common enemy.

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They just can't decide if he's the enemy yet.
That's the problem. Are they gonna figure out he's
the enemy when it's too late? I mean, right, I would argue
right now it's too late. We're at that point where like
the person you know has already been taken.
You know, the person who didn't do anything has already been
taken. I think what they mean is that
like for example, when he when Trump chose to strike Iran, you
were talking about dude, a lot of the mega people are pissed

(25:52):
right now. And I was reading like articles
on it and stuff like that too. His approval rating, rent went
down and stuff like that. He didn't go to war.
He didn't do what I think we allthought was going to happen, but
he did still a very Trump thing,you know, trying to do what he
did with India and Pakistan whenhe was like, oh, there's a
truce. There's a truce now.
Like they're just agreed to truce.
And then then, you know, we veryquickly saw, or I mean, after
the fact, we saw that like thereactually was no truce.

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And then he did a really, it's weird to say this, but he did a
really cool thing. And he publicly rebuked Israel
in a way that no sitting president has ever done before,
which is just so ironic because that just had to do with his
ego. I had nothing to do with his.
There was there was nothing going on there except his.
Little brain. It had nothing to do with
morality, it was just an issue of like I said, stop.

(26:36):
Yeah, you're just supposed. To listen to me or or Israelis
and no Trump. I think he forgot you know who's
serving who here. But yeah.
So yeah, I think it is still somewhat possible if we talk
about all of the things he's notdoing or everything that he's
literally like, I mean he hasn'tfulfilled a single one of his

(26:57):
campaign promises except like any of the campaign promises
that the some of his really big ones, for example, like I won't
we will leave the Middle East alone.
That was a. Fun eggs will be cheaper.
Eggs will be cheaper. By the way, are they cheaper
yet? No, I wouldn't.
Inflation is going to stop, you know, all all these sorts of
things. He also said like, I don't know,
maybe I will do tariffs and thendid the extreme and was just

(27:18):
like ton of tariffs even more than last time.
So like I think some people can still be turned.
I mean, you know what I mean? But there is the question is how
big is this like psychotic mob of like suckers that are just
never going to come up for air. They're just going to Deep
Throat him all the way through, you know what I mean?

(27:39):
That's saying like. We don't we don't have to
convert people. You just didn't have to get the
majority of people who like justdon't ever do anything.
They don't love him either. They they're the people that
just accept things as they are. Like, you know, laws are laws
and, you know, like I, I, I disagree with what ICE is doing,
but the law says you can't do these things.
So surely the law is gonna fix all this shit.
It's not. But that's their mentality.

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Kind of going back to what you said earlier, These things
shatter their perception of reality.
Yeah. This is the time where your
English teacher would be like, yeah, Trump's effed up ISIS FTA.
But like, we have laws in place,man, you can't forget that.
And they're going to recite all the laws too.
And then they're going to say, see, we have these laws.
So surely this little it won't turn out the way you think it
will, and it'll sort itself out.I.

(28:22):
Mean that's what they said aboutRoe V Wade and then they finally
returned that under Biden's watch.
Like, I'm sorry, like if I'm looking into a go, go, if I'm
looking into a future that I want to live in, it's going to
be 1 where this is something that's automatically like
modified. Like it's not something that's
actually going to be up for discussion, up for grabs.
Don't it bothers me to know and that a lot of this is like, if

(28:43):
we can just get a better versionof our system in place, then
we'll somehow thrive. But the truth is that you know,
and you both know this like the system never worked in the 1st
place. We've been fighting it since it
was created 200 years ago in this specific country.
If I'm going to be protesting, engaging with like, more modern
community activism, it's going to be to build a world where I

(29:06):
don't have to think about a timewhen the rights that I know I am
entitled to are overturned. Let's go, Democrats.
Not the Democrats. I'm done with them.
You hear this? No more.
No more. No more.
No, nobody. You're right.
You're right. Yeah, we, we talked about this
because I was explaining like the spectrum of political
thought. I, I basically said we've always

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lived in like a right wing society and all the all the
leftist stuff, like on a political level, like United
States doesn't have like a leftist party doesn't have
leftist leanings. No.
And the closest you can get to that is like close to the
center. Not even, not even the left
side, just close to the center of.
It No, we've always been a conservative yeah country.
And a two party system only breeds extremism.

(29:47):
Exactly. But even then, like it doesn't
even breed extreme leftism. Like, there's no, well, there's
no leftism in office. We do not office in office for
sure, but we don't even have extreme leftism groups here.
Yeah, the same the way that theyexist in other countries.
Yeah. If you're learning about this
for the first time, look at how a leftist would react to the way
a Democrat would speak about policies and what's going on in

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the United States. So one example is that a leftist
idea is to want severely defund police, but also we think the
idea of policing in the way we have it.
So for us, it's not a crazy thing, it's just very logical.
Present that to the. Majority of people.
Who vote every four years or present that to Joe Biden and
1st off they're like no we're not defining it.
He during the peak of 2020 Kamaland Joe Biden both said we're

(30:30):
not defining anything yeah. And they said the opposite.
We're actually going to pour more funding into this.
And that was it. And then that sense never
changed. Never changed in four years.
So when Kamal's in the running, same thing.
She was like, Nah, dog, I love police like.
Yeah, she. So if we're so that's my point
to everyone. Like clearly there's a, there's
a so you can see there's a difference between leftist
thought and just a, a political party that exists in the United

(30:53):
States. The Democratic Party has never
been leftist. And this is one way you can see
that for yourself. Absolutely.
They just know how to like, say,somewhat.
The only difference I don't. Even know how to do that
anymore, I think they used. To Zoran winning shows us that.
That's right, by the way. Yeah.
I'm meaning to bring him up. Yeah.
Basically one of the many thingspeople have been saying online
is that like 1 issue is like thethe queer community,

(31:14):
specifically the trans community.
Like what's how do you feel about this?
They have certain needs that aren't being met.
Would you consider funding for that?
Every politician fails that theyeither they oppose it directly
or they kind of, they just swindle the way out of it.
They're like in what All Americans matter, don't.
Even say that I can't trigger. That's that's Kamala is one of
those people. Yeah, yeah.

(31:35):
Yeah, or they'll return it around and be like, that's just
why we need to keep Trump out ofoffice and the Republican Party,
you know? And it sounds sweet like it
sounds. Cool.
It does, yeah. It's like, oh, yeah, you're
like, yeah, you're right. And they kind of give you like a
1/2 answer in a way. Like, you hate Trump, right?
And they're kind of like, yeah, they're messing with you.
Yeah. With Zoran, he didn't not only

(31:56):
did he not dodge the question, he said actually let's fund
resources for the queers. And he want that's what part
part of what won him. He hasn't won yet, but he won
him the primary. Right.
Because he. Didn't avoid it, but he went
directly into it. And it's been long thought that
that people wouldn't accept it. You know, like it's, it's
wishful thinking. And maybe the the groups that

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would want that are growing bigger, but on the larger scale
people are going to go for it. That was the thinking.
They're not going to go for it. But he did.
He was open about all that and he wanted part because of that.
He didn't shy away from Palestine and he wanted part
because of that. This shows us this is where if
you have one of those people in your lives that peaked in high
school and they're frustrating to like talk to or listen to, I
love these. Have them.
Have them listen to this. So like in their mind, clearly

(32:38):
they never voted so they wouldn't.
In their mind, it's like you go in, pick the president and go
home when really like 1, you don't write anything down.
There's a tablet and the president's one of the things
you vote on and you vote on a bunch of things all at once.
So this shows you that what happens on a political level
doesn't matter to what your day-to-day thinking is.

(32:59):
So because he could get this far, Like how far can we take
this? You know, can this happen
elsewhere? It's dangerous thinking.
It's why if you've been watchingthe news, like a lot of the
media hasn't reacted well to himwinning the primary.
He hasn't even won. He's not mayor yet, but they're
acting as if he won the mayor and.
It took the time so long to announce that Cuomo had
conceded, even though it was all.
Over like. That everywhere, like

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everywhere, had reported it except the times.
They came in dead last with thatannouncement.
And also they put an article saying to the New Yorkers that
they should not vote for him. No way.
Yeah. But my point was that it goes
back to the whole thing of, like, why can't we get, like,
enough people to vote, you know?And part of it is that I think
people are tired of having politicians that don't actually
stand for anything. Yeah.

(33:41):
You know. That's partially why Trump got
so far though, is because he hasa level of intensity that people
connected with in the 1st place.It's not real.
There was no second guessing with this.
It's perceived authenticity, yeah.
Perceived. Yeah.
Oh, that's so good. Yeah.
Yeah. It was fucking obvious for
Kamala. It was like, we don't know what
the fuck you're talking about. Still don't know what she says.
If they play old interviews withher, I'm like, I don't, I don't

(34:01):
know. She was going with any of her
sentences. Yeah, ever.
And they would be like, oh, whatwould you do differently from
Joe Biden? She'd be like, I can't.
Honestly, I can't even think of anything.
She does sound like that. She does sound like.
She does sound like that was so good.
That was so good. Yeah, Oh, man, I don't know the,

(34:22):
if you unlock that, like those primal emotions of like, to be
safe and to protect the people you care about, like people will
always respond to that. But I don't know.
I, I couldn't tell you because I've done a lot of research as
to why people voted for Trump. And a lot of it was very much
like AI like that. He says that I shouldn't have to
pay for this. I like that he says that we

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shouldn't be at war, you know, like it was very much about like
personally, they didn't want to feel like this anymore.
And like I still can't. I have difficulty bridging that
gap because of his horrific actions over the course of his
entire 70 odd year life. But other people just they they
picked what they wanted to hear.And he kept saying he didn't

(35:05):
stop saying things like you, youcould point to what like you
said, like his campaign promiseswere they'd be like, but I feel
like this, I don't want to pay this much for groceries.
I am suffering and he would be like, you're suffering.
And they would say got my vote. That was it.
Yeah, he was very good at doing the traditional politician
thing. It's not even traditional, it's
just he had this level of emotion and intensity, which is

(35:26):
actually insanity, but like it came off as like relatability.
And it wasn't. Yeah, historically, they've
always been good at that. That's why they couldn't cling
on to, like, like Joe Biden, like people voted for him
because he just wasn't Trump. Yeah, but no one, but no one,
Like, no one. There wasn't.
There was no fervor around. Him all right.
Like, like Bernie had a fervor around him, right?

(35:47):
Zoran had a fervor around him and Biden, like he just wasn't
Trump. So they're like, all right,
we're going to vote for you. It's the authenticity thing.
People love Bernie because he says stuff that they can relate
to and for. The difference is his track
record, which is interesting to me, is that Trump doesn't have a
track record, but I guess peoplewanted to feel like there was
one. That's where my like, that's
where I don't fully understand it because you can point to

(36:09):
things like, for example, if you're putting like Bernie and
Trump, who both ran it against each other, like at the same
time, you know, put them in the same running.
Like you can at least point evenback six months that what Bernie
was saying versus what he was voting for.
And for Trump, it's literally just a free for all.
So if anybody knows or has information about what it was
that like bridged that gap, I would love to know because I

(36:31):
cannot seem to find it in my heart.
We've all been trying to figure that one out.
What do you? Think it's there?
There's the gap between what? I mean what it comes down to.
Like not the authenticity and perceived authenticity with
these two like very intense candidates any.
I just think it's charisma. His charisma is just Max stats
like his Trump. Charismatic.
Yes because he broke. Yes, dude, he broke the he broke

(36:54):
so many norms, primarily in terms of how you carry yourself.
Like, you know, we can, we have quotes and and stories of like,
you know, presidents who are a little more rash and closed
doors. But he was unabashedly
charismatic, angry and for lack of better words, rude.
But no other Republican before him was like that.

(37:15):
They were very proper, very business, very no more of the
like the Nixon era of Republicans long gone, long gone
like the last I the last image we had of a Republican prior to
Obama was just the stupidity of,of George Bush.
And and during that time, everybody was just talking about
like how stupid he was, like howstupid this guy is.

(37:36):
After that, the the Republican Party was just this kind of
where the Democrats are right now in terms of like there is no
identity anymore. And it was just kind of like,
you know, we're just going to dowhat we always do, just like
Republican things. But then as Trump just started
to come out of nowhere, I mean, the dude is just charismatic and

(37:57):
charisma is doesn't have to be, you know, like a guy trying to
sell you something like, hey, like, you know, just it
Christmas is there's a spectrum of charisma.
And he just is not unapologetically angry,
unapologetically a 70 year old white man, which is which is
which holds the ideals of the American conservative view.

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No tiptoeing, no political correctness.
Every political person who is not serious about the
presidential You have to stick to a script.
You have to stick to an image. You have to stick to a.
We talked, OK. Go well, go ahead.
We this came up during the beginning of the year.
I think what we said was he's better at meeting people or his

(38:44):
people where they're at because he is one of those people.
Like he's not educated. He just runs his mouth.
And there's a formality to a lotof politicians where, you know,
even they use a lot of, like, doublespeak.
So they're clearly racist, but they don't say the thing out
loud. And the difference between Trump
and most Republicans is like, hejust run this enough.

(39:05):
So he he, he'll just say whatever he feels like saying.
And the average person can relate to that.
Yeah. And when Obama was in the
running, so I didn't know this until very recently, whenever he
looked at younger voting blocks,they were usually just college
age people. And even then they were like a
minority of people. Yeah.
And that was it. So up until the 2000s, younger
people didn't vote. That's why you remember MTV.

(39:26):
That rock the vote, Yeah. And all that those.
Things I, I assume those, those kinds of things are always
around. Those things were not around.
They started in the 90s because there was really like no youth
vote. Younger people didn't
participate in politics. So Trump was able to make
politics like, not boring. So we talked about Boomer 2.0,
the Gen. X generation.
They believed all the things their parents believed, but they

(39:47):
weren't as passionate. And part of it was because there
was nothing to attach it to, right?
So the politicians of the era, they weren't like Trump, like
they weren't animated. They didn't just like spew out
of their mouths. Yeah, it was boring.
So they're they completely agreed with what their dad and
their grandparents would say, but there's nothing for them to
attach it to so. When they came to voting, they

(40:07):
would vote the way their parentsdid, but they didn't feel, yeah,
there was still a disconnect. Fast forward to Trump.
He was that guy they get attached to the way their
grandparents did. Like, who's the Who's the
politician you brought up earlier?
Was it Nixon? Did you say Nixon?
No, you said. I said gone is the the Reagan
area. There you go so he's like there
Reagan, which they didn't have for a long time.
That's what he has a youth vote.He's their guy and a while ago

(40:29):
Obama was that for not the left,but you know what I mean.
He was a guy that we assumed wasgoing to be the the difference
we needed in the system. He looked different.
He spoke different, severely younger than everyone else.
He knew, he knew thing. He knew what a laptop was.
I have a laptop, you know. So in a way, like, we're able
to, yeah, they're able to be relatable in a way that most

(40:51):
politicians at each point in time weren't able to.
So the other kind of answers whyDonald Trump was able to, like,
activate the youth. He's way older than them but he
just says dumb shit and they're dumb people.
We joke about it but there is the truth to that.
There's a reason why the term lowest common denominator
exists. He understands this whole thing
just enough to where he knows they exist and he knows how to,

(41:11):
like, activate them. He literally just gaslights all
the time. You do realize that, right?
Like that the, the people who voted for him are like, I mean,
I'm sure there's exceptions, butmost of them are really just
kind of like, I like what he says.
Yeah, but he's funny. And if you and if you tell them,
but like, wait. But Trump's literally just ran

(41:31):
on a campaign promise of like this this nut.
And he's what he's doing right now.
You, you mom, you said you votedfor him because he promised
this. And he's literally doing this.
And then their answer to that islike, yeah, but did you hear
what he said? Like he said that we need to do
this. Yeah.
What do you mean? He also said we shouldn't do it.
Yeah. So which is it?

(41:52):
There's like a 2 hour differencetoo between those two phrases.
Oh, yeah, he does that all the time.
He will like refuse to be wrong even even with like, you know,
the total obliteration of the, of the nuclear sites going on
right now. The Pentagon is saying one thing
and he's like, no, they're totally obliterated guys.
And what's, what are all the thefaithful, you know, maggots
going to say they're going to belike, you know, deep state, you

(42:14):
know, this is what he's fighting.
You know what I mean? He does all the time where he's
like when he's wrong, he's just like, wait, I'm not wrong.
What are you talking about, brother?
You literally just said this, you know, two months ago. 3
hours like. It could be hours, It could be
literal hours between the. Things that I love black people.
Or really it's like I believe, you know, he says something like
hella racist and he's like, whatare you talking about?
I love black people. That's not what he says.

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You see, he just said he loves black people.
How could he be racist? Yeah.
You know he's just gaslighting all the time.
Yeah, in his mind, he refuses tobe looked at as weak or wrong.
Yeah, You know, that's what a lot of it comes down to.
I wish, I mean, I wish the person was here.
You know, the person. Actually, he made a really good
point where he theorized that Trump might pull US funding from

(43:00):
Israel. And he had, he had a whole
thing. But basically what he came down
to is he might pull funding because they haven't gotten the
job done. And that indirectly makes the US
look bad because the US is very invested in that.
So his theory was he might pull it out because this makes the US
look bad and he will not have that.
I love that theory. I so love it.
And I, I kind of, I agree with him.
Like like, yeah, I can see that as a possible outcome.

(43:23):
So if it doesn't happen, then I know for sure that like there
has to be a, because I'm a conspiracy guy.
I love conspiracies. If that doesn't happen, there's
definitely conspiracy that's holding him back.
I mean, there's something, you know what I mean, 100%, I'm
always playing around with that.There's at least eight things.
Like, for the longest time I waslike, Oh yeah, Trump is a

(43:45):
Russian operative, for sure. I was.
Seriously, why? People, yeah, a lot of people
were like. No.
And it kind of there was a time where it seemed like that could
be likely. Yep.
But what we're seeing now is that no, Trump can't.
I mean, Trump. Russia can't even reign in
Trump. Yeah, yeah.
Speak to the youth. Speak to the youth.
I say that because as I just said that there's plenty of

(44:06):
cases where like people are protesting for their parents
because the parents. Can't physically show up.
I haven't seen that, yeah. They can't show up because they
may get taken. Yeah.
So I, I've seen many cases wheresomeone's like 15 and they're
like, I'm 15, my parents can't be here.
So yeah, I'm here. And I'm, I'm thinking to myself
like I would have had like a somewhat decent understanding of
this at 15, but still like at 15, you're showing up to this.
Would you have? Yeah.

(44:27):
So much you don't know, but you're doing what you think is
right and they are. But it's like like, So what?
What would you say to a 15 year old right now?
That Oh, for sure. I love that question.
I would say that what you're doing is awesome and you're
doing the right thing, but be careful not to get stuck in a
cycle of reacting because we definitely know how to react in

(44:48):
a, in a great way, in the right ways.
But it's about what you do in between that is even more
important. Again, the answer is both and
it's not that one. It's not that it's not important
to protest and to react, but it's just as if not more
important with what you do in between.
And so that for me would be to discipline yourself on trying to

(45:10):
overcome the temptation of digital community, of digital
intimacy. You just cannot replicate and,
and, and reproduce that sense offervor that you get in reacting
than you can in community. So like if you're 15 bro, like I
know you guys want to talk about, you know, Drake and

(45:31):
Kendrick or NBA Y2K 2026 or Fortnite Chapter 3.
Or the switch. To or switch to Mario Kart,
Mario Kart World, freaking Donkey Kong Bonanza, Donkey Kong
Bonanza, Andrew Tate, whatever. We can skip that one.
Yeah, I'll cut that out. No, we need to denounce him
publicly. Oh yeah, fuck.

(45:52):
Him. But like guys, we can talk about
that, but also talk to the homies and be like yo.
All the homies hate Trump. Yeah, dude.
Would Goku like this? No, dude.
All the homies. Hate ice.
Would Donkey Kong like ice? Exactly no dude.
Exactly. He fucking, he went to the
alligator who took his bananas. Yeah, not only for him, but for

(46:15):
him and his homies, because his all him and his homies were
gorillas or apes. King K Rule is a crocodile and
all of his king. Cruel king.
Cruel King. Cruel.
See. He took the bananas.
The bananas were like originallyfor the the apes.
They evolved to be in the trees.Alligators don't eat bananas.

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Yeah, he doesn't need them. Exactly.
But they took them anyway, you know what I mean?
So even like Donkey Kong knows that that's fucked up.
Like, come on. It didn't belong to the
alligators. No.
But he took them knowing it would cause them.
Harm There's lots of examples inall these things that fellow 15
year olds are obsessed with. Yeah, that you can be like.
What about Roblox? Can you do a Roblox out?

(46:58):
Oh, the kids been going nuts on Roblox.
Yeah, in Roblox, they've been hosting their own ICE protests.
Yeah. And no, King's protests.
Yeah. I loved watching those videos.
I was like, oh, no way. This is so cool.
What's the age range for people on?
Roblox all over. The place everywhere.
Primarily probably like teenagers a little bit younger
because I when I was growing up in Roblox was starting, my

(47:22):
siblings were playing and I was like, what the fuck, Roblox?
Like I was like 1819 already. They were like 12/11. 10 I have
910 year old students that are on there and they really like it
and they usually let their little siblings on there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah.
Like that, that, that age range.But now that those kids have
grown up, they're, they're Gen. Z now.
They're they're still playing it.
I mean, they're still playing Roblox.

(47:43):
You know, that's why we're seeing all the Roblox memes,
because who's recording all that?
Yeah, yeah. The 20 year olds, everybody's on
Roblox, but I think, you know, the Gen.
Z people are organizing and they're also getting like the
Gen. Y the way we wanted them to.
Yeah, that's really cool. So, yeah, I mean, even stuff
like that is awesome. That's reacting, that's
reaction. So it's like, you know, yeah, I

(48:05):
know you're 15. You feel like you don't have
enough. Maybe you don't have enough
power influence. That's a good one, yeah.
Might not feel like you have enough ability or resources to
do things, but dude, you definitely do.
I mean, yeah, don't underestimate like 1 the power
of what a lot of young people can do.
But also in the school system. I mean, even I don't, I can't

(48:26):
speak to conservative, conservative school districts,
but I know that if there is any place where like a progressive
or left-leaning adult would exist, it would be in public
education would be my best guessthat has a connection to youth.
So don't underestimate like if you can get a group of fellow
teenagers, I'm sure there's one teacher somewhere that is

(48:50):
willing to do the adult things in the sense of like giving
space or helping clarify things or even helping steer.
Like you know what the next steps are.
There are plenty of movements that have been started by kids
for sure. There are plenty of.
Yeah, the new the youth makes the world go around.
For sure. Yeah, absolutely.

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They definitely have the biggest, like, opportunity to
change things by far. They're clearly the most
hopeful. They're clearly the most in the
sense of, like, ignorance is bliss in the most powerful way
because they haven't been burnt out to the same degree that
older people have. And so they have this false
sense of, like, invulnerability that they have yet to have been,

(49:33):
you know, tainted by. We all have reality.
Shit. Well, those of us who are who
are in it, Yeah. But everybody else who lost that
is now just ambivalent to everything going on.
Like you had said, those people that you knew from high school,
I'm sure there's a period in time where they were able to be
like, Oh yeah, black lives. But then at some point they were
just exhausted. And they're like, I don't know,

(49:53):
dude, I have to work 40 hours plus a week and I have 3 kids
and I have blah, blah. But really, it's like, well,
that should piss you off even more because that's a literal
example of how the system is keeping you a good little slave,
a good little quiet worker, thatthe work doesn't end there.
You can you're you can make a family of.
Rebels. Of rebels and your whole family

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could do it. I mean, I know me personally
myself, I know of one family unit of three what that is that
they're over 50 and they're politically active and they're
in the same, if not slightly above tax bracket than I am and
they're making it work. You know what I mean?
So it is possible. And I do know I've had friends
in the past too who's they've had large families and they're

(50:37):
politically active. It's just all about what you
think is important in life. I know that's kind of more for
older people, but like if you're15. 15.
Learn. Learn what to do in between.
Reject not entirely, or reject the majority of social media and
figure out how to do this in person.
We're going to go around the room.
So you went up first. Talk to the youth.

(50:59):
Talk to the youth. One of the things I tell my
students is I ask them what theybring to the table.
So because I teach art, art is not something that's super
prioritized at home. And sometimes school is the only
place where kids are able to be openly creative.
Take an idea and run with it. True.
Change it, make it fit their version of what the prompt

(51:23):
should be. They like having a couple
parameters can be really helpfuland encourage them.
I found, especially with my teenagers, that they are so
confused by what the world wantsthem to do and what makes them
happy. And I wholeheartedly believe
that everybody has a role to play in this change.
Sometimes it's art, sometimes it's listening, sometimes it's
writing, sometimes it's bringingpeople together.

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And I believe, and I tell them this, that engaging with art and
being creative is the best way to find your place in the world.
True. So I would say engage with what
brings you joy and what brings you peace and use that to do the
same for others, because that's really what's going to change
things. All right, you little shits, I'm

(52:09):
going to speed run it because I could go on all day.
First off, know that if you've even thought about going out
there physically, know that you're you're doing the right
thing. Like when you're in your history
class, you're learning about allthe crazy shit in history and
you ask the immediate question of like why did they do anything
or what was happening? You're in the moment of history
where you decide what you're going to do.

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So if you've been out there, stay out there, but don't do it
to the detriment of your own safety.
So if you don't have to be out there, don't.
You're only 151416 whatever, if you can bring your friends,
stick together, be safe. I do think the future is for
you. And also I'm going to say this
right away. You don't have to know
everything. Even now, like we're all way

(52:51):
over 15, but we still don't fully understand how like all
this works. We just have a better
understanding of it. Could we just live longer?
But we don't fully get it. So if you don't fully understand
everything, it's fine. And you actually don't have to.
You don't have to have a degree in anything to know when some
shit you know, like you haven't finished high school and as
you're reading about history, you're like, oh, this pretty
fucked up. It's as simple as that.

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So that being said, try to learnas much as you can.
Bug your teachers. If you have those cool teachers
that love talking to you about these kinds of things, this is
the time to like just bug them. Whatever it is you're not
understanding, bug them. Have them try to explain it to
you as best as you can. If they're cool enough,
sometimes they drop that that facade of being a professional,

(53:36):
and they'll talk to you straightup, learn as much as you can,
and you're on your phone all dayanyway, so spread this
information to your friends. If they don't, you know.
If not, if they're not up to date, talk to your family about
this stuff. Also be sneaky, like you're
already sneaky anyway, you know,like you love doing shit to not
even piss off your teachers, just the thought of like you
doing something your teachers don't know about.

(53:58):
Like it's exciting, you know, orlike you love doing sneaky shit
around your parents. Apply that level of sneakiness
to the this conflict we're having.
And again, you're 15, so you canonly do so much, but you can
still do a lot and you can spread this level of sneakiness
to the people older than you, whether it's like older
brothers, sisters, whatever. Like put this information out

(54:19):
there and people are, we're gonna hear you cuz past a
certain point people do get veryrigid and normal, you know,
you're not there yet, you're still weird as shit.
So hold on to that cuz people lose it and when you lose it,
you don't get it back. So keep it be sneaky.
And we we all have a different way of looking at this.

(54:39):
So we we look at this more of a like a book smart kind of thing.
And you still have that weird outside the box thinking that
some people don't have any more.So keep that.
And when it comes time for you to vote, vote.
And when you're old enough, throw brick when you need to.
Oh, you gotta yeah, have crazy bullhorns towards the end of it.
So it has to like climax. Got it.
I know you're gonna freak out, so I'm saying it right here.

(55:00):
Well. Yeah, I know.
Yeah, so you hear it back. You can be like, Oh yeah.
Time to add a man.