August 1, 2025 • 45 mins
Eva (@birdlets) steps into Anime Expo for the first time! To them is was a space bursting with color, culture, and some truly questionable wigs. We talk about what it's like to be new to fandom, the weird joy of being surrounded by people who get it, and how it is to finally like the things you were once made to feel weird for. Also: Naruto ships, ethical weeb discourse, and a PSA on cosplay hair care.
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I do not care about your head cannon because it's not real.
So you can tell me, you know, you think I don't know, someone
like Naruto is gay. And I'm like, I think.
He's a little gay. Will you stop?
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I've been looking at animals. I went through a phase like 3 or
4 months ago where I was like going to cat cafes and stuff and
meeting cats and meeting dogs too and like really nobody
nobody stuck with me at all. Oh, so you're the type of person
that's like it needs to stick with you?
Like the spark with an animal ismore important to me than
anything else. Interesting.
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Yeah, and Sasha was very clear that I was her person from the
start. Really.
Yeah. Oh, I always wonder how that
works. Maybe it's different for cats
than dogs. I don't know.
Me personally, I've owned two dogs that I've picked out.
Actually, I take that back. Only one that I've picked out,
really. I've owned 2 pugs as an adult.
The first pug, she was the last of the litter, so I was like.
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Not a lot of this or not. So it was perfect.
It was like, OK, this is meant to be like, I don't mind taking
the odd one out, you know, I don't need to have like a
perfect dog or whatever. Didn't you say she was crazy
though? She was crazy, yeah, But that's
just, I think all pugs are crazy.
And I think there's a misconception that they're lazy
and kind of lethargic, but they're not.
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Because my second puppy here hi,I got to pick him one out of
three. Little Ding Dong.
And I don't know why I picked him really.
I'm trying to think back. You met him as a puppy.
Yeah, I met him as a puppy and Ithink I probably picked him
because he probably gave me the most attention.
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I don't know, maybe he like. So yeah, to be honest, I can't
remember because, I mean, they looked all the same.
Yeah. You know, they're all pretty
identical. In fact, there might have been
one that was visually, I guess, better looking.
I don't know if you could for pugs, if you could say that
about a dog, for example. What I mean by that is like he
probably had, I think one of them had like a more prominent
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like white mark on his chest, which was like tuxedo looking or
whatever, right. But I think I chose him because
he might have just been giving me more attention so.
You didn't feel like a. No, I didn't feel like there was
like a special connection or waslike, I need like this.
You are my dog. That's so interesting.
I think because I'll overthink it and then like I'll guess if I
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pick the right one and then I'llget depressed.
But Sasha was. Really clear with me, 'cause we
went to a shelter and she I saw her 'cause she's huge and she
was a black cat and she was old and she saw me and I sat on the
ground and she literally pushed the other cats out of the way
and came to sit on me. And then she bit me.
So like that kind of was just the rest of it.
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And I couldn't leave her after that.
So like I scooped her right thenand there and they offered her
to me for 25 bucks. $25. Because she'd been there for so
long and they really wanted her to have a home and she was old
and it was just a sad situation for her.
See, now that sounds like a magic.
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Moment exactly. That's that's what I'm saying.
Like those, those are, are the moments.
And, and my childhood dog, Lula,my mom, I, I say they met
because my mom was apparently onthe porch and had just found out
she was pregnant with me. And Lula came running up the
hill, ran to my mom and put her head in her lap and then never
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left. And that was the end of it.
Really. Yeah.
So sometimes I get, I get why people don't believe in like
fate or destiny or anything, butwith animals, I'm I'm 100%
locked in on that. So what's probably going to
happen is I'm going to go to a dog shelter or just the local
pound or something and just lookat the animals and see which one
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responds to me and then feel it out from there.
So the problem with that for me is that I go and I want all of
them. Of course I want all.
Of them because they all stand out to me, you know, like I want
to take care of them all. I want to take care of them, but
I don't, I don't automatically feel like this pull in my gut.
I have felt that. So I know it's possible.
Yeah. But I tried with cats after
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Sasha and I just don't think a cat is going to be in my future
right now. Plus I have Seuss right now and.
It's just your other cat. He's a handful.
He's not the kind of animal I would want, which is an infant
basically. Right.
But I think also he picked my brother, you know?
Oh, really? My brother was very clear from
the time he was like, God, 16. He was like, I'm going to get a
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giant fluffy orange. Wait.
You've had him for that long. No, no.
Oh, I see. My brother knew he was going to
get this. Cat to prophesied Yeah, what
kind of cat? And he said he.
Was going to name him Susa Brownand he was going to be a
beautiful baby. No way.
And then two years ago, yeah, mybrother went to a PetSmart and
they happen to be having a pop up and Sous was there and he
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took him home that day. Wow, that shit's real.
OK, So what are you going to theTwin Cities?
For I'm going to get my masters.Masters in what in.
Fine art. Wow, masters in fine art.
That is no small task. No, it's going to be.
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A lot of work. Congratulations.
Thank you. Are you nervous?
A little. Bit a little bit.
What kind of emotions are going through you?
Mostly I'm just overwhelmed. I think there's like a lot I
have to do, a lot of things I have to send.
And they already swamped me, swamped me with school work.
So I have a lot of work I'm already doing for it.
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Yeah. And then I feel like orientation
is going to be really stressful because the Ice Breakers, they
have like a whole set of like ice breaker things.
We're all. Going to They're going to make
you do Ice Breakers and a master's program.
That's like my worst nightmare. Yeah, I'm not excited at all for
that one. I feel like I'm just going to be
like, hey, and then they'll ask me a fact about myself and I
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won't think of anything and I'llmake something up and then it'll
follow me for two years and it'll be something I lied about
the first day. Yeah.
You know what I mean? Yeah, should I make yourself
look cooler? Yeah, for the rest of me reveals
itself. Oh man, I hate Ice Breakers.
It's different if I'm conductingone, but like when everybody is
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brand new and you're on the samelevel, I feel like there's so
much writing on like what you say, but at the same time I feel
like everybody else is also super nervous that they're just
going to forget what everybody else said.
I feel like they should just have us like do a mixer at some
point. So we went somewhere recently.
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We did. We did.
It was my third or fourth time. And your first time?
I'd done my first time ever to anything like.
That yeah, about 3 weeks ago now.
And I was so excited to take youas somebody who's never been to
a convention ever. Yeah, period.
Right. Ever.
That was your first convention. Yes, I don't consider like Zine
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fests and tabling and like no inthat context.
No, that's just like a mark, like a market or something.
Yeah, basically. Yeah, this was the real deal.
This was. This was the this.
Was the Mecca for weebs everywhere.
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Yes. It's my Mecca because I'm I'm a
self-proclaimed non stereotypical weeb.
I like to think myself as an ethical consumer of Japanese
culture. Tips for Dora Jesus No, but we
went to Anime Expo and it was really special to me that you
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allowed me to take you it. Was so nice.
As somebody who doesn't even watch anime yourself.
I watched one anime. You watched one?
Anime, and it's my whole personality.
Yeah, let me guess, Alchemist? Brotherhood.
I also watched the original FullMetal, but it wasn't accurate to
the manga. Right, So real, real ones know.
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Hiromu Arakawa has a new series coming out, so everyone stay
tuned. Really.
Yeah, they're animating one of your stuff.
Studio Bones. OK, great animation studio.
Pretty ethical all things considered.
Anyways, I got one under my belt.
Nice, but we recently started watching a series together.
Dorohedoro. Dorohedoro that we need to
finish. I love it.
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What do you think about that one?
So. Far, it's great.
It's so weird. I feel like the manga's even
better because I've been meaningto read the manga.
Yeah my whole life, just based on the style.
Yeah. And anything written by a woman
I'm going to pay more attention to, Right.
Especially in any kind of male dominated industry like.
This Yeah, and Dori Doro is so gritty and violent and gory, but
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also hilarious. All things I love, yeah.
And it's very it doesn't take itself super seriously, at least
not so far. No, it doesn't really take
itself super. Serious things are just
happening. Yeah, that's a good way to
describe it. Things just happen.
Like there is one goal I guess that the main characters have
but it's like. Well, I feel like the
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relationships are more important, which is my favorite
kind of stuff, which is character studies.
Character. OK, nice.
I also read Trigon. I didn't watch it.
Well, I did. I watched Stampede, but it
sucked. Really.
Yeah, but I read all of Trigon. And you liked it?
I loved it. OK.
Night Owl's a really good artist, but his work is hard to
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follow sometimes because he leans so much on movement.
And sometimes I've found in like, visual narratives,
movement needs to be characterized in a larger
environment. And so sometimes his stuff can
get a little bit lost where you're not fully sure where it's
going. But it's also really nice
because you can tell how much passion is going into the fight.
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Yeah, but you can't follow it. And I think sometimes there's
it's a little disjointed as a result, but really strong.
That's the manga you're talking about, the Trigun manga.
I've never read it so I don't really know what you're talking
about, but I'm sure. I also watch Dungeon Meshy 10
out of 10. Delicious and Dungeon, Yeah.
OK, so 10 out of 10, is that a real rating for Delicious and
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Dungeon? No, but for the the manga versus
the the anime, I only want it because I haven't finished
reading the manga. But you've read the manga.
I've read some of it, yeah. OK, you like it?
I love the drawings. I really like the character
designs. I love how diverse they are.
And I really love a soft, rounded edge.
Yeah, angles are great, but I'vealways, I love the very like
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childlike faces and stuff for everybody.
It's really fun. I haven't actually looked at
that so I'm not really sure. I think I might have seen some
screenshots of like pages, but Ihaven't read that one myself.
I didn't finish watching the first season, though I did like
it a lot. I just never got around to
finishing it because it was coming out weekly.
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Oh yeah. And it's hard for me.
I'm really worried with like anime that come out weekly,
unless it's like the continuation of something I've
been waiting for, like one of myfavorite animes, Re zero.
So the third season or another season is coming out like I'm
going to watch that week by weekbecause I'm like super committed
to that story. But anyways, you said no, you
wouldn't rate Delicious of Dungeon a 9:50.
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How, how? How would you rate it?
Well, my rating system is different than yours, I think.
I think there are some really strong animation techniques that
were utilized. I think visually they made some
really fun choices. I like that they tried really
hard to stick to the original manga style in terms of, again,
like soft edges, rounded faces. They worked really hard to
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recreate competent female characters.
Yeah, I feel like the pacing wasnot great sometimes.
I think sometimes they got a little stuck in the episodic
format. For sure.
It's so it's also like it's the first season, you know, they
haven't found their footing yet.Didn't know if it was going to
be a hit or not, right. You know, like you, I don't
expect a whole lot from first seasons just in general from any
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show because it's just, it's, it's a learning curve.
First season in anime is kind ofeverything because it's like a
lot of times these shows don't get renewed even if they're
super popular. So it's like first impressions
are everything. In fact, I know it's like a
popular technique for a lot of people who watch anime to it's
called like the three episode rule.
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So if you're not drawn in by thethird episode, then you drop the
show. Oh.
That's sad. Yeah, it is kind of sad, but
there's so much anime out there and usually people who are like
committed to watching it season by season and they can't they
don't have the time to like watch this list of shows that
they want. So they use like a three episode
rule. And usually I think this, I
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don't know if this is true or not, but I think the studios are
aware of this. And so it's like, that's like
the way that a series is made usually, like by the third
episode, something should happen.
I mean, I'll be honest, I don't know a whole lot about the
Japanese animation industry outside of that.
It is grueling, yeah. And anyone I know who has worked
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in it has burnt out. Oh yeah, Within 6/8.
Months and they get paid like next to nothing.
They get paid, Yeah. So I, I can't, I can't speak to
that. I just know that even out here,
like when they're doing reviews,they only get like the first
three episodes anyways of any series, right, to review and
make their judgement on. So it makes sense.
But I think in a consumption heavy culture, yeah, it's just
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disappointing, Yeah, to me. Fortunate reality that we live
in that we have like that we could essentially just kind of
like distill a group of people'swork to just three episodes.
I also just like I always give animation a little bit more
grace because I at least Westernanimation, I understand a little
bit more about how hard it is toget this stuff off the ground.
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Yeah. And I know in Japan it's just a
different, it's a whole other beast.
So like, probably a lot of my own sensibilities transfer over
to Japanese animation, where I'mlike, I just give it.
If I'm gonna watch something, I'll usually watch it all the
way to the end because I just love animation and I wanna give
it its chance to show me what ithas, I guess.
But three episodes for anything just doesn't seem fair to any
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creative person ever. Yeah, so you're the way that you
rank a show sounds like it's gonna be vastly different from
the average person. Well I think if you only give a
like let's say 20 episode serieslike an hour of your time.
I don't really want to hear youropinion to be honest.
Well, this is somebody who couldn't go off of three
episodes like past episodes. Is that you talking?
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Yeah, yeah. I don't really care what your
opinion is to be honest. Am I cancelled?
Am I gonna get cancelled? Now no, no ready most.
People because I'll I'll go to bat for this opinion.
No, I think most people would agree with you on that.
I mean, it's kind of. It's one thing to say like, oh,
I didn't really. I wasn't really feeling it.
It's another to be like, this show sucks ass.
No. Yeah, those are just like toxic
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fans and stuff like that. Toxic watchers, toxic weebs.
I wouldn't. I think then in in that regard,
just because I also, again, you just know more about this stuff
than I do. I only come at it with my own
sensibility. I don't see a lot of anime where
women are not sexualized. Right.
Or are treated even remotely fairly.
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Yeah, you have a very limited view of what anime is.
Yeah. Yeah, based on pretty much all
of the common stereotypes, whichare not far from the truth.
I, you know, I've been exposed to a lot of different animes and
I've not been impressed. Can you can you recall any of
the series? I'm curious.
That I don't. That I was not.
Yeah. OK, let's see.
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And let me react to each one. So don't just like fire them
off. OK, I'm.
Trying to think of ones that didn't stand out, that stood out
to me as like well, killa kill. But like, that's just.
Killa kill? What about Killa Kill?
Because I love Killa. I know you do.
I know you do. That's why this is a problem,
and also because. Many episodes of that.
Did you watch like 5-5? You have to finish this.
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It's like a 20 some episode series you have to watch.
It I I struggled. Samurai shampoo was also tough
at times. What's the Oh my God I food
food. Some food wars.
Food wars. Hated food wars.
I can't see why you hate food wars.
My ex watched the entire series.Well, you know how mad I am
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about. Food wars myself.
Fuck, fuck food wars, OK? That's kind of a that's kind of
a controversial. No, it's not.
Food Wars is good. No, it's food wars, See.
And there, there's the wall. The wall went up.
What did you not like about FoodWars?
The fact that anytime they wouldeat something make the most
orgasmic fucked up sound. I'm sorry.
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OK, look, so OK, so I would say myself that Food Wars does is is
that does definitely teeter on the side of being kind of like a
garbage anime. But in my opinion, that's kind
of what makes it so fun because it was one of the few.
Well, in my opinion, I think it was one of the few, the first
series that kind of launched thewhole food trope genre in anime.
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Because like after that I've I've seen several other series
that are basically the same thing, like a like a a shown in,
but it's about food and cooking food and the plot was way better
and it was there was way less fan service.
So food wars is kind of like notorious for that for sure.
But it's also like a comedy. Like it's also supposed to be
funny but I get it. Like the animation wasn't that
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good. I didn't finish watching it, but
I watched two seasons. Some boobing.
There were some, Oh yeah, it's very, it's very fan servicing
for sure. But I think at this point, at
that point in my life that I've been watching it, I'd kind of
unfortunately, like other people, I've kind of just
learned to just detach myself from those scenes.
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And I myself, if I'm watching ananime because I am also very,
very strict, because I also havea very strict criteria in which
I judge anime myself. If, if I'm watching this a
series and if by episode 3, you know, there's too much boob age
or the way that they show this female character, like the
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angles in which to show. Like if it's way too fan
servicing, I will drop it. I don't care if the plot is
good. I'll.
Drive truly believe that detracts from the plot because
you already have characters thatare not human beings.
Right. So I don't consider a story a a
story to be particularly strong if it can't treat any of its
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main cast as real people. Now this is a conversation for
another time, but Oh no, no, no,I do.
I do agree that or I would say that there are some show series
out there where there would be what you would call quote UN
quote fan service, but in my opinion serves the plot much,
much better than like your average fan service.
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And so I think a lot of people, again, the pendulum always
swings from one end to the other.
I think a lot of people who are like very anti fanservice, which
they should be. I myself don't like fanservice
will will be like, oh, any form of nudity or any form of sexual
expression or any form of whatever.
This is just going to be like garbage because it's fanservice.
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But I think that there are thereare some series that utilize
that in a great way. Like there's a series called
Alfin lied. I've heard about it.
I never saw it. And the like the main girl
there, she's just like naked allthe time.
And it's like it doesn't bother me.
And I don't think it's I don't think it's for fan service in
the sense that like, you know, I'm going to I'm going to goon
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to this. I certainly didn't.
But again. I mean, I'm sure there are
people out there who have and who do, but that that story's
plot to me wasn't like sexual inthat sense, I don't think.
That's necessarily my issue though.
It's more so how does that leak into mainstream culture?
The like very very baseline objectification.
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Yeah. Of especially like prepubescent
female forms, you know for sure.Like that's more my issue.
So when I see fanservice, I see a long line of what happens.
I don't just see like a panty shot.
I'm like, OK, that's a panty shot.
She's 12. Oh yeah?
Well, I do. You know what?
I mean no. Contest.
I just look at it in a differentway where like I see everything
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else that comes with something that is seemingly A1 off moment.
Oh yeah, for sure. So I take it maybe more
seriously than other people, butit hasn't hasn't detracted from
stories that in in my experience, because I don't, I
hate nudity. I don't hate sex in animation or
anything. But I mean, I would say a really
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good example would be Paprika. Oh yeah, yeah.
There's nudity in that one. There's a lot of like crass
moments. There's also a part where she
gets her whole body, like unzipped as an allegory for
rape. Like it's, I consider the ways
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in which normally objectified forms are portrayed in
animation. Yeah, more so than just like
maybe the average viewer, I guess.
I would say that's kind of more in line with I I think any, any
level headed person would agree with that a lot.
Of level headed people. That's what I'm saying is like
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you're you're, you're, you're talking is a like, oh,
everybody's like this, but there's like some subconscious
stuff going on with with these things where like they haven't,
the cultures haven't grown out of them.
But this is still an ongoing issue, you know, like what,
which culture? There's still, well, just like,
I guess, people who enjoy all ofthis anime stuff.
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OK, so yeah, so in weed culture.Yeah, like, OK, you can overlook
it, doesn't mean it's not doing damage.
To who? To the consumer.
Yeah. Interesting To.
Society as a whole, it just becomes more more common place.
I think it's great and fantastic.
We should talk about that more deep tracking.
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I'm sorry, but the subconscious I'm interested because again,
like I myself. Writing on this.
Really. Yeah.
Whoa. Can you think of any?
I'll. Send you some.
OK, there's like. I wish I had it on me so I could
show it to you. Judith Butler did a a piece
about this as well. Do you ever see her piece of
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dinner table? I think it's called really
interesting, very 70s performance art.
But a lot of like how we consumethe female form is subconscious.
So like how how do you separate different parts of the body?
How are they portrayed? Like there's some really cool
writing about like how things become permissible because it
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doesn't bother you. Well, OK, so I love I love this
topic and I would love to get way more into this.
And I agree and I do want to go the record just to say if any
anime has, you know, minors thatare depicted sexually, it's it's
an odd like it's it's. Hard Sword Art Online was crazy.
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Like season 1 or? That shows nuts.
I remember when it came out. I don't.
I watched season 1 but I don't remember.
I don't really remember. It they were like kids, but they
were also fully grown adults, and then they had a baby.
It was like a whole thing. Right, I do think I remember
that being really weird. That was a weird thing, that.
Was a long time, that's how hard.
To break into that shit. Wow.
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See, this is the thing with mostpeople I feel like when they
watch anime is they watch the wrong ones and then they get
turned off and then they're like, I'm not going to even
bother. Even Full Metal has fanservice
on it. Oh yeah, you know what I mean?
Like it's. Yeah.
That's not so much the issue. But I feel like a lot of series
nowadays are really good at likenot doing that as much anymore
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unless it's kind of like a major, major series.
I just feel like that's freakinginevitable that they'll make a
character's breast larger in theanime than they were in the
manga. And that bothers me because it's
like it's like so needed so obvious that what was just done
here was not for the right reason.
That's why I love like I think amain series that does it right
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would be like Jiu jitsu Kaisen. They their female character is
super strong like the. I've heard good things, yeah.
I try not to hate on stuff I haven't seen.
Right, that show is super beloved and and it's it does so
by not being really fancy. I think Demon Slayer is the same
way. I didn't finish demon Slayer.
Slayer still has some weird things.
Did it really going on though? I don't know, just like a
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muzzled 10 year old girl that like is just a weird vibe in
general. But that's but that's part of
culture, like in for a demon, not to no.
No, no, it it is. I'm I don't know if this was
more like the consumers necessarily than than the actual
anime because I don't remember awhole lot a fan service in the
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show, but I remember a lot of people doing like the shipping
thing and that was like a weird vibe.
Shipping culture. I will never understand.
I've never done it myself. I won't ever partake in it.
That's weird. I don't like, I love anime but I
don't watch to the point where I'm like obsessing over and and
like dreaming of these characters being with each other
romantically. Like I don't understand that.
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I'm very much I want to know what's cannon and what happens.
Oh, you're. A cannon person.
I do not care about your head cannon because it's not real.
So you can tell me, you know, you think I don't know, someone
like Naruto is gay. And I'm like, I think.
He's a little gay. Will you stop?
He's a little gay. He's a little gay.
Threw that. I just a little threw that into
the. Air I just feel like he and
Sasuke had like a good Lord, just just OK.
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I regret. I regret.
I watched two seasons and I I'm just.
Saying I thought that that I I give the most random example and
you somehow you somehow. Wow.
OK, well, still there you go. Here's my point for.
Two seasons, I don't care what you say.
They literally kiss in like the first two episode.
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Accident. Yeah.
Accident, yeah. I feel like that sparked
something. OK, sometimes underneath all the
rivalry. That's your head cat.
The less the. People are with me.
I know the people are with me. Are stupid.
That's why that's. Why the shipping culture?
You're dumb. It's.
Like this is great, this is good.
I get that. Gutter does it, I don't care.
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Oh no. Oh no.
If if what's his face wants to be like?
But that's never gonna happen. Why can't you just have fun?
Because it's not fun to me. The story is self-contained.
The story is the. People are with me, the people
are with me and they know and they we all know.
I am not having this discussion right now because I didn't think
it was going to even get to thispoint and I love Naruto, it's
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one of my favorites and I'm not saying it wouldn't be as good if
he was gay because literally nothing would freaking change.
There's some homophobia in the room right now and I just want
everyone to know that I'm going to catch it.
I'm going to, I'm going to take care of it.
If he was gay, the show would bejust as good.
Of course I would. But I'm not saying it wouldn't
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be. What I'm saying is the story is
finished. I don't want to hear your
theories about Nard being gay cuz he's.
Not I don't think he would gay. I think he just was like a
little see, you know? Hypothetical I don't.
I hate, I hate. Hypothetical.
I'm aware. Because they just, they waste
your time. Let's move on to.
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What Are you sure? Because I'm really having fun
with with this a lot. I'm sure you are, I'm sure I'm
sure some people sitting here also having fun, but I really
want to talk about on this episode.
I've been itching to ask you because as somebody who is his
self-proclaimed ethical weeb, there's that's.
Insane phrase. Insane.
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I love anime and I love otaku culture and I love all of that.
I mean my page. I would rather I would.
Rather you said that than ethical weeb.
Like, I love to make up words and phrases all the time.
I'm sticking with that. OK, I I have to say that 'cause
I need to separate myself from the majority of weebs out there.
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That word itself has a bad connotation.
OK. So yeah, but you keep you keep
throwing me off of the off of the track here.
Let's get to. What's the question?
The main question of this episode What's the question?
You officially went to Anime Expo.
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Oh yeah. How was?
It Oh my God, it was so much I. Let's preface this really quick.
I mean, I'm sure we have enough context, but you are not a weeb
you. No, I'm just.
Annoying are not like me. No fuck in.
The sense that you love anime, you just.
We just spent like 20 minutes talking about that.
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You've only seen like 3 or 4, you know?
Yeah. So as somebody who is coming
into this from the outside and you are going to watch more
anime in the future, because I, I, I know that you're that's
something that you're going to. Really.
Why is that something you're going to be doing?
Well, you. Just I know that you recently,
you know, entered into a new relationship and that that
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person loves. Yeah, anime, I don't know,
almost just practically as much as myself and.
Yeah, but he doesn't say that he's an ethical weeb, so I
really think we're going to makeit.
Well, you know what? Let's OK, you know, well, that
remains to be seen and that's OK.
OK, back to the question. What?
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How was it? I actually, to be honest, I had
an amazing time. I did.
Didn't fully expect to because Ijust felt like I didn't have
enough understanding. Yeah, of anything.
I kind of felt like I'd be walking into a lot of confusion
and everybody be like this one, this, this, this, this, and I
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would just be so confused and soout of it.
But I actually recognized a lot of stuff and I really, I loved
seeing all the cosplayers I loved.
Well, I didn't love seeing all the cosplayers I loved.
Wait, why not? Why wouldn't you like seeing all
the cosplayers? I think a wig is really
important and. Yeah.
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Even me, I know how to put a wigon.
OK. So why couldn't some of these
people? I do remember when we were
walking the exhibition hall, youdid make some comments for your
life that way if. It's the vibe, you know what I
mean? Like if your cosplay is supposed
to be funny, you know, or supposed to look slapdash, I
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think that's fun. Yeah.
But I know some of these people just don't know how to style
their wigs. Or how to put the wig?
On and that was really hard for me because a lot of the costume
would look great yeah and it would be really well put
together but maybe it's like a materials issue because they
would get to the hair and just nothing and you know what I've
watched a lot of YouTube tutorials on how to do wigs yeah
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and you can you can fix them on a budget.
OK. It is not, it's not hard.
So I think that was kind of disappointing to me because I
really thought people would at least like comb their and I was
like, maybe. They ran out of time.
Maybe they ran out of time. Y'all would.
Not catch me outside with a fluff when I could be combing
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my. Wife.
Maybe it was their first time and they ran out of time.
Some of them, absolutely. Some of them?
Come on now. Yeah, OK.
So I didn't, I didn't love that,but I love everything else.
I'm sure a lot of cosplayers right now are.
I'm ready to be. Crucified.
No, I'm, I'm sure they're sayingyes with you.
OK, yeah, this I, I do have somemutuals like on Instagram where
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they do love to cosplay and I see them talking a lot about
wigs and I don't cosplay myself so I don't know like the
importance of these pieces here,but I do know that wigs do play
a pretty important part in costume design and there's.
So many you can take a cheap wig.
Literally. They make this more liquidy
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matting spray that will take away that plasticky Sheen.
Real easy look natural in. Just a couple minutes.
It's like it's not, it's not hard and it doesn't even take
like a lot of work. You could just go like matte
spray and it'll take care of it.You know what?
I mean like. There are a lot of tools at hand
that are just going to make it look more natural and I don't
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know why I have this information.
When you're an artist. I can I just consider I've
always considered cosplay very sculptural.
And sculpture. Is so cool.
Wow. It's, it's something that I've
only done in terms of like stop motion or a couple of like
smaller shoots. Yeah.
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And it's fucking hard. So making work that you wear.
Yeah. So bad ass.
Well, we just got some. We just got some lore dropped
here. What's the context behind some
people listening? No.
Well, I worked in stop motion for a long time.
Wow. I was a fabricator, so I wasn't
an animator, right? I've only done 2D animation
work. Right.
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But for stop motion, I did some stuff and I was fabricating so
I'd build the miniatures. Wow, that was great.
Yeah, it was the best. Like years of my life was
working on on those things. Wow.
And then I, I moved up a little bit and I did basically they're
like I did some small photo shoots and I did, I did a couple
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of ad campaigns too that were sculptural, like we built items
that were then used in the ads. Yeah, as as set.
Pieces and those were always really, really fun and I did
some like I did some claymation.I've done the last big one I
did. We made a huge marshmallow
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sculpture and obviously it was like foil plaster wrap a fat ton
of mushrooms that we like dippedin sparkles with like clear glue
and then resined it like it's like a lot like a lot of like
buildings you. Got to be creative to figure
this stuff out it. Is it?
Is it's it's really and it's hard work.
Well, that's why you know all this information about
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cosplaying, you know the insurance and outs of all this
stuff. No, I know.
I know it in like a adjacent wig, Yeah.
So I just think you could fix your wig and if you.
Don't want? To you could just hire.
Me. Well, there's your PSA, there's
your PSA. You know, if you're getting into
cosplay or if you haven't cosplaying, you need to
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prioritize the wig. If you want it to look cohesive,
you have to have every part. Gotcha.
So Anime Expo? Fantastic.
Some wigs could do better. Yes, but it was really.
Fun. And it was really fun.
So what was fun about it? I felt really comfortable.
OK. Like, I don't know, I've, I've
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struggled a lot with having things that I liked that I was
not allowed to like or was judged for, right?
Nothing crazy, you know, but just in general, kids are mean.
Yeah, of course. And while when I was growing up,
I mean we were bullied for liking anime.
Yeah, things are different. We used to read bleach in middle
school. Like we'd climb up trees and
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read it. Yes.
Because everyone was mean about it.
Oh my gosh. Wow.
So like and Ron Mahaff which is fan servicy but it also made me
trans. What was the What was the show?
Ron Mahaff. Ron Mahaff.
I don't. I don't know what that is.
Rumiko Takahashi. I don't 1 of Inuyasha.
Oh, OK, yeah. One of the greatest what I have
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manga artist. Oh, OK.
I believe you. I believe you.
So sad. That's so.
I'm so sad. You don't know.
I'm. Kahashi, what kind of weeb are
you? Well, listen, I don't this is I
need to do better, OK, I'll admit that I need to do better
and I need to. Are you listening and learning?
Yes, I'm listening. This is a moment of of learning
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for me right now, and I'm listening to you.
No, it really I need to make more of an effort to know these
mangaka, I think is what they'reis what the proper term is for
them so that they can have the proper respect that they
deserve. But no, yeah, I don't I don't.
I wouldn't know that person's byname.
I mean, I don't even remember the the name of the of the
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mangaka for Naruto. And that's my favorite anime of
all time, so. But yeah, I, I, I should do
better, yeah. I think that would be really
good. It's also just nice.
Well, it's fun. Yeah.
It's a learning opportunity. You can show me.
You can show me like why that's important.
Like I love, that's also one thing why I love having really
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diverse friends and relationships because it's like
you get to teach each other things, you know what I mean?
Otherwise I wouldn't have known like, hey, this is like
important to know or to or to see the importance of.
So that's cool. That was a cool teaching moment.
So yeah. So we used to be bullied for
liking anime things in school. And.
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And so in this convention, it's kind of like a safe space for
everybody. It should be.
I mean it. Should be.
I mean, I felt I felt safe. I don't think it's good.
I didn't feel like anyone was like staring at me or anything.
Right. Well, you also weren't
cosplaying though. True, but I mean, I enter any
space where there's a lot of menand I get stressed out, right,
just on the basis of everything fair.
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But I felt very much like peoplewere in their element.
Yeah, and were. Very comfortable and so I felt
comfortable by proxy and that was really cool.
Yeah. And I got lots of cool stuff
you. Did.
And I love being in the artist alley and seeing so much that's.
My favorite part of it, yeah. That was the best part.
Like panels and stuff. I, I don't think I would have
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wanted to go to, but I love, I adored going to the Artist
Alley. I could have stood there
forever. I wish I could just pay to just
go to that. Yeah.
Like I don't necessarily need tobe on the convention floor.
I love it myself just so I couldbuy certain things that I know
are going to be inflated online,but the artist alley is
definitely where it's at for sure.
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Like that's my favorite. Yeah, that's my, that's my
absolute favorite was was the artist.
And this year, it wasn't hot as hell.
Is it usually? Oh my gosh, the last two times
I've been in the artist alley, Iwas so thirsty.
So, so freaking thirsty. And it was so hot.
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It was such a horrible experience and there were so
many people. But this time it was way better.
It was much, much cooler. I don't know if it's because he
went on day one, If that has anything to do with it, I don't
know. But it was a it was very
comfortable down there and therewere so many beautiful artists.
Do you remember any of the things that you bought that you
you could tell us about? I got I got a Mob Psycho air
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freshener. Yeah.
I got I got a Evangelion T-shirt.
Heck yeah. Which I'm going to wear
tomorrow. Cool, love that.
And then I got stickers and I got a really pretty print.
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I'm blanking on names right now cuz so you'll have to forgive me
for. I don't know, I, I think I might
censor that because I, I think it might sound funnier if I
censor that. I think that would be really
fun. I think people will figure it
out, but I think it'd be funny. OK, so, but I mean you got a lot
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of cool stuff you got, you did get some cool shirts.
Yeah, my partner got me lots of things.
Cool stickers. I love that for you.
Yeah. That was really great.
I felt very happy. It's something I would
definitely do again, but I don'tthink they should charge $100 a
ticket. I think they should extend it
over multiple days and lower theprices and people will.
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Well, it's three days. Three days is fine, I think it
should be like 5. And lower the ticket prices.
And then rotate the artists out so that they're not vying for a
spot that they have to pay a lotof money for too.
Oh damn that's very true. I have seen things online where
it's like an artist breaks down how much it costs them to go to
Anime Expo versus how much they made and and a lot of times it's
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like they break even if if at all.
If they so often they don't. But isn't the trade off exposure
though, wouldn't you, what did you say for the most, Yeah,
wouldn't you say that that's kind of included in the cost?
I would I would argue we've beensaying we're gonna pay artists
an exposure since the beginning of time.
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Wow, we could stop now. Wow, that's good.
That's really good. You know I'm paid an exposure.
Wow, for a lot of stuff. Yeah, actually saying no to that
loses you clients initially. Yeah, for sure.
So I I think that would be a better solution.
So call me Anime Expo I can fix this.
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Dang I have no information on anything you guys do but I can
fix the artist that. 'D be so cool if this reached
them. Do you do you remember like your
favorite cosplay? Like, did you end up seeing a
cosplay where you're like, well that's really good?
I saw a couple of Vash, which was really fun.
I saw 11 Edward L Reich, which was also very exciting for me.
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Yeah, there was one, but I I don't know who the character
was. Gotcha.
But it was that woman that you showed me, like we walked around
her at the main like where everyone was taking their photos
and stuff and she, she was like in white.
And then there was like, I guessa red crown thing on her or
something. White and red crown.
Yeah, I. What?
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What did the crown look like? It's.
Kind of like a moon. And then there was 1 going like
this way and she had like big white go go boots on.
Oh my. Gosh.
She did an amazing job and her hair looked great.
Huh. Not the not the woman that you
told me was was famous. OK, that's what I was thinking
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you were talking about. So I do know this character
then. Crescent Crown, not horns.
Maybe they were horns. It's totally.
It wasn't. No, it wasn't Kobayashi, not at
all. No, not even close.
Dang, I don't know what you're talking about.
I do remember showing you like agood Amelia from Zero, probably
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a good R.E.M. from Zero, becausethat's usually done a lot.
Machima. I remember, I remember I showed
you a really good Machima one time from Chainsaw Mange.
She wears a like white T-shirt, like a white dress shirt, slack
pants. And she there is a like a form
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of her where it's like a crown above, but it's more like a
flesh crown. And it is like what you
described. But I don't know, maybe I
remember someday. So you liked it, you had fun?
Yeah. I think the the favorite part
for both of us was the artist alley.
Oh, not. OK, I'm going to censor that
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too. Goodness, would you do it again?
Yeah, of course. Really.
Yeah, you would do it again. Yeah, I would love to go support
the artists especially. Oh, OK, that alone, I think that
would be worth it. Is there another convention you
would love to go to? If they made like a dinosaur
convention. A dinosaur convention.
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I would go so fast. Holy.
Crud, just dinosaurs just like. Holy that would be amazing.
That sounds pretty cool. Because the things that are I
care about, like Freeze, is technically the art world's
anime Expo. Right and.
It's and it's awful. You know, light boxes like the
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animation comics industries, Anime Expo.
It sucks. Whoa, I I went to light box so
but I did not have a good time. Wow.
And no, so I think, I think a more relaxed space, I don't
think that's gonna happen in thefine art world.
Wow, so so dinosaurs.
I do not care about your head cannon because it's not real.
So you can tell me, you know, you think I don't know, someone
like Naruto is gay. And I'm like, I think.
He's a little gay. Will you stop?
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I've been looking at animals. I went through a phase like 3 or
4 months ago where I was like going to cat cafes and stuff and
meeting cats and meeting dogs too and like really nobody
nobody stuck with me at all. Oh, so you're the type of person
that's like it needs to stick with you?
Like the spark with an animal ismore important to me than
anything else. Interesting.
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Yeah, and Sasha was very clear that I was her person from the
start. Really.
Yeah. Oh, I always wonder how that
works. Maybe it's different for cats
than dogs. I don't know.
Me personally, I've owned two dogs that I've picked out.
Actually, I take that back. Only one that I've picked out,
really. I've owned 2 pugs as an adult.
The first pug, she was the last of the litter, so I was like.
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Not a lot of this or not. So it was perfect.
It was like, OK, this is meant to be like, I don't mind taking
the odd one out, you know, I don't need to have like a
perfect dog or whatever. Didn't you say she was crazy
though? She was crazy, yeah, But that's
just, I think all pugs are crazy.
And I think there's a misconception that they're lazy
and kind of lethargic, but they're not.
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Because my second puppy here hi,I got to pick him one out of
three. Little Ding Dong.
And I don't know why I picked him really.
I'm trying to think back. You met him as a puppy.
Yeah, I met him as a puppy and Ithink I probably picked him
because he probably gave me the most attention.
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I don't know, maybe he like. So yeah, to be honest, I can't
remember because, I mean, they looked all the same.
Yeah. You know, they're all pretty
identical. In fact, there might have been
one that was visually, I guess, better looking.
I don't know if you could for pugs, if you could say that
about a dog, for example. What I mean by that is like he
probably had, I think one of them had like a more prominent
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like white mark on his chest, which was like tuxedo looking or
whatever, right. But I think I chose him because
he might have just been giving me more attention so.
You didn't feel like a. No, I didn't feel like there was
like a special connection or waslike, I need like this.
You are my dog. That's so interesting.
I think because I'll overthink it and then like I'll guess if I
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pick the right one and then I'llget depressed.
But Sasha was. Really clear with me, 'cause we
went to a shelter and she I saw her 'cause she's huge and she
was a black cat and she was old and she saw me and I sat on the
ground and she literally pushed the other cats out of the way
and came to sit on me. And then she bit me.
So like that kind of was just the rest of it.
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And I couldn't leave her after that.
So like I scooped her right thenand there and they offered her
to me for 25 bucks. $25. Because she'd been there for so
long and they really wanted her to have a home and she was old
and it was just a sad situation for her.
See, now that sounds like a magic.
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Moment exactly. That's that's what I'm saying.
Like those, those are, are the moments.
And, and my childhood dog, Lula,my mom, I, I say they met
because my mom was apparently onthe porch and had just found out
she was pregnant with me. And Lula came running up the
hill, ran to my mom and put her head in her lap and then never
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left. And that was the end of it.
Really. Yeah.
So sometimes I get, I get why people don't believe in like
fate or destiny or anything, butwith animals, I'm I'm 100%
locked in on that. So what's probably going to
happen is I'm going to go to a dog shelter or just the local
pound or something and just lookat the animals and see which one
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responds to me and then feel it out from there.
So the problem with that for me is that I go and I want all of
them. Of course I want all.
Of them because they all stand out to me, you know, like I want
to take care of them all. I want to take care of them, but
I don't, I don't automatically feel like this pull in my gut.
I have felt that. So I know it's possible.
Yeah. But I tried with cats after
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Sasha and I just don't think a cat is going to be in my future
right now. Plus I have Seuss right now and.
It's just your other cat. He's a handful.
He's not the kind of animal I would want, which is an infant
basically. Right.
But I think also he picked my brother, you know?
Oh, really? My brother was very clear from
the time he was like, God, 16. He was like, I'm going to get a
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giant fluffy orange. Wait.
You've had him for that long. No, no.
Oh, I see. My brother knew he was going to
get this. Cat to prophesied Yeah, what
kind of cat? And he said he.
Was going to name him Susa Brownand he was going to be a
beautiful baby. No way.
And then two years ago, yeah, mybrother went to a PetSmart and
they happen to be having a pop up and Sous was there and he
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took him home that day. Wow, that shit's real.
OK, So what are you going to theTwin Cities?
For I'm going to get my masters.Masters in what in.
Fine art. Wow, masters in fine art.
That is no small task. No, it's going to be.
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A lot of work. Congratulations.
Thank you. Are you nervous?
A little. Bit a little bit.
What kind of emotions are going through you?
Mostly I'm just overwhelmed. I think there's like a lot I
have to do, a lot of things I have to send.
And they already swamped me, swamped me with school work.
So I have a lot of work I'm already doing for it.
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Yeah. And then I feel like orientation
is going to be really stressful because the Ice Breakers, they
have like a whole set of like ice breaker things.
We're all. Going to They're going to make
you do Ice Breakers and a master's program.
That's like my worst nightmare. Yeah, I'm not excited at all for
that one. I feel like I'm just going to be
like, hey, and then they'll ask me a fact about myself and I
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won't think of anything and I'llmake something up and then it'll
follow me for two years and it'll be something I lied about
the first day. Yeah.
You know what I mean? Yeah, should I make yourself
look cooler? Yeah, for the rest of me reveals
itself. Oh man, I hate Ice Breakers.
It's different if I'm conductingone, but like when everybody is
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brand new and you're on the samelevel, I feel like there's so
much writing on like what you say, but at the same time I feel
like everybody else is also super nervous that they're just
going to forget what everybody else said.
I feel like they should just have us like do a mixer at some
point. So we went somewhere recently.
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We did. We did.
It was my third or fourth time. And your first time?
I'd done my first time ever to anything like.
That yeah, about 3 weeks ago now.
And I was so excited to take youas somebody who's never been to
a convention ever. Yeah, period.
Right. Ever.
That was your first convention. Yes, I don't consider like Zine
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fests and tabling and like no inthat context.
No, that's just like a mark, like a market or something.
Yeah, basically. Yeah, this was the real deal.
This was. This was the this.
Was the Mecca for weebs everywhere.
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Yes. It's my Mecca because I'm I'm a
self-proclaimed non stereotypical weeb.
I like to think myself as an ethical consumer of Japanese
culture. Tips for Dora Jesus No, but we
went to Anime Expo and it was really special to me that you
(08:08):
allowed me to take you it. Was so nice.
As somebody who doesn't even watch anime yourself.
I watched one anime. You watched one?
Anime, and it's my whole personality.
Yeah, let me guess, Alchemist? Brotherhood.
I also watched the original FullMetal, but it wasn't accurate to
the manga. Right, So real, real ones know.
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Hiromu Arakawa has a new series coming out, so everyone stay
tuned. Really.
Yeah, they're animating one of your stuff.
Studio Bones. OK, great animation studio.
Pretty ethical all things considered.
Anyways, I got one under my belt.
Nice, but we recently started watching a series together.
Dorohedoro. Dorohedoro that we need to
finish. I love it.
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What do you think about that one?
So. Far, it's great.
It's so weird. I feel like the manga's even
better because I've been meaningto read the manga.
Yeah my whole life, just based on the style.
Yeah. And anything written by a woman
I'm going to pay more attention to, Right.
Especially in any kind of male dominated industry like.
This Yeah, and Dori Doro is so gritty and violent and gory, but
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also hilarious. All things I love, yeah.
And it's very it doesn't take itself super seriously, at least
not so far. No, it doesn't really take
itself super. Serious things are just
happening. Yeah, that's a good way to
describe it. Things just happen.
Like there is one goal I guess that the main characters have
but it's like. Well, I feel like the
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relationships are more important, which is my favorite
kind of stuff, which is character studies.
Character. OK, nice.
I also read Trigon. I didn't watch it.
Well, I did. I watched Stampede, but it
sucked. Really.
Yeah, but I read all of Trigon. And you liked it?
I loved it. OK.
Night Owl's a really good artist, but his work is hard to
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follow sometimes because he leans so much on movement.
And sometimes I've found in like, visual narratives,
movement needs to be characterized in a larger
environment. And so sometimes his stuff can
get a little bit lost where you're not fully sure where it's
going. But it's also really nice
because you can tell how much passion is going into the fight.
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Yeah, but you can't follow it. And I think sometimes there's
it's a little disjointed as a result, but really strong.
That's the manga you're talking about, the Trigun manga.
I've never read it so I don't really know what you're talking
about, but I'm sure. I also watch Dungeon Meshy 10
out of 10. Delicious and Dungeon, Yeah.
OK, so 10 out of 10, is that a real rating for Delicious and
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Dungeon? No, but for the the manga versus
the the anime, I only want it because I haven't finished
reading the manga. But you've read the manga.
I've read some of it, yeah. OK, you like it?
I love the drawings. I really like the character
designs. I love how diverse they are.
And I really love a soft, rounded edge.
Yeah, angles are great, but I'vealways, I love the very like
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childlike faces and stuff for everybody.
It's really fun. I haven't actually looked at
that so I'm not really sure. I think I might have seen some
screenshots of like pages, but Ihaven't read that one myself.
I didn't finish watching the first season, though I did like
it a lot. I just never got around to
finishing it because it was coming out weekly.
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Oh yeah. And it's hard for me.
I'm really worried with like anime that come out weekly,
unless it's like the continuation of something I've
been waiting for, like one of myfavorite animes, Re zero.
So the third season or another season is coming out like I'm
going to watch that week by weekbecause I'm like super committed
to that story. But anyways, you said no, you
wouldn't rate Delicious of Dungeon a 9:50.
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How, how? How would you rate it?
Well, my rating system is different than yours, I think.
I think there are some really strong animation techniques that
were utilized. I think visually they made some
really fun choices. I like that they tried really
hard to stick to the original manga style in terms of, again,
like soft edges, rounded faces. They worked really hard to
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recreate competent female characters.
Yeah, I feel like the pacing wasnot great sometimes.
I think sometimes they got a little stuck in the episodic
format. For sure.
It's so it's also like it's the first season, you know, they
haven't found their footing yet.Didn't know if it was going to
be a hit or not, right. You know, like you, I don't
expect a whole lot from first seasons just in general from any
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show because it's just, it's, it's a learning curve.
First season in anime is kind ofeverything because it's like a
lot of times these shows don't get renewed even if they're
super popular. So it's like first impressions
are everything. In fact, I know it's like a
popular technique for a lot of people who watch anime to it's
called like the three episode rule.
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So if you're not drawn in by thethird episode, then you drop the
show. Oh.
That's sad. Yeah, it is kind of sad, but
there's so much anime out there and usually people who are like
committed to watching it season by season and they can't they
don't have the time to like watch this list of shows that
they want. So they use like a three episode
rule. And usually I think this, I
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don't know if this is true or not, but I think the studios are
aware of this. And so it's like, that's like
the way that a series is made usually, like by the third
episode, something should happen.
I mean, I'll be honest, I don't know a whole lot about the
Japanese animation industry outside of that.
It is grueling, yeah. And anyone I know who has worked
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in it has burnt out. Oh yeah, Within 6/8.
Months and they get paid like next to nothing.
They get paid, Yeah. So I, I can't, I can't speak to
that. I just know that even out here,
like when they're doing reviews,they only get like the first
three episodes anyways of any series, right, to review and
make their judgement on. So it makes sense.
But I think in a consumption heavy culture, yeah, it's just
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disappointing, Yeah, to me. Fortunate reality that we live
in that we have like that we could essentially just kind of
like distill a group of people'swork to just three episodes.
I also just like I always give animation a little bit more
grace because I at least Westernanimation, I understand a little
bit more about how hard it is toget this stuff off the ground.
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Yeah. And I know in Japan it's just a
different, it's a whole other beast.
So like, probably a lot of my own sensibilities transfer over
to Japanese animation, where I'mlike, I just give it.
If I'm gonna watch something, I'll usually watch it all the
way to the end because I just love animation and I wanna give
it its chance to show me what ithas, I guess.
But three episodes for anything just doesn't seem fair to any
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creative person ever. Yeah, so you're the way that you
rank a show sounds like it's gonna be vastly different from
the average person. Well I think if you only give a
like let's say 20 episode serieslike an hour of your time.
I don't really want to hear youropinion to be honest.
Well, this is somebody who couldn't go off of three
episodes like past episodes. Is that you talking?
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Yeah, yeah. I don't really care what your
opinion is to be honest. Am I cancelled?
Am I gonna get cancelled? Now no, no ready most.
People because I'll I'll go to bat for this opinion.
No, I think most people would agree with you on that.
I mean, it's kind of. It's one thing to say like, oh,
I didn't really. I wasn't really feeling it.
It's another to be like, this show sucks ass.
No. Yeah, those are just like toxic
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fans and stuff like that. Toxic watchers, toxic weebs.
I wouldn't. I think then in in that regard,
just because I also, again, you just know more about this stuff
than I do. I only come at it with my own
sensibility. I don't see a lot of anime where
women are not sexualized. Right.
Or are treated even remotely fairly.
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Yeah, you have a very limited view of what anime is.
Yeah. Yeah, based on pretty much all
of the common stereotypes, whichare not far from the truth.
I, you know, I've been exposed to a lot of different animes and
I've not been impressed. Can you can you recall any of
the series? I'm curious.
That I don't. That I was not.
Yeah. OK, let's see.
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And let me react to each one. So don't just like fire them
off. OK, I'm.
Trying to think of ones that didn't stand out, that stood out
to me as like well, killa kill. But like, that's just.
Killa kill? What about Killa Kill?
Because I love Killa. I know you do.
I know you do. That's why this is a problem,
and also because. Many episodes of that.
Did you watch like 5-5? You have to finish this.
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It's like a 20 some episode series you have to watch.
It I I struggled. Samurai shampoo was also tough
at times. What's the Oh my God I food
food. Some food wars.
Food wars. Hated food wars.
I can't see why you hate food wars.
My ex watched the entire series.Well, you know how mad I am
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about. Food wars myself.
Fuck, fuck food wars, OK? That's kind of a that's kind of
a controversial. No, it's not.
Food Wars is good. No, it's food wars, See.
And there, there's the wall. The wall went up.
What did you not like about FoodWars?
The fact that anytime they wouldeat something make the most
orgasmic fucked up sound. I'm sorry.
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OK, look, so OK, so I would say myself that Food Wars does is is
that does definitely teeter on the side of being kind of like a
garbage anime. But in my opinion, that's kind
of what makes it so fun because it was one of the few.
Well, in my opinion, I think it was one of the few, the first
series that kind of launched thewhole food trope genre in anime.
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Because like after that I've I've seen several other series
that are basically the same thing, like a like a a shown in,
but it's about food and cooking food and the plot was way better
and it was there was way less fan service.
So food wars is kind of like notorious for that for sure.
But it's also like a comedy. Like it's also supposed to be
funny but I get it. Like the animation wasn't that
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good. I didn't finish watching it, but
I watched two seasons. Some boobing.
There were some, Oh yeah, it's very, it's very fan servicing
for sure. But I think at this point, at
that point in my life that I've been watching it, I'd kind of
unfortunately, like other people, I've kind of just
learned to just detach myself from those scenes.
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And I myself, if I'm watching ananime because I am also very,
very strict, because I also havea very strict criteria in which
I judge anime myself. If, if I'm watching this a
series and if by episode 3, you know, there's too much boob age
or the way that they show this female character, like the
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angles in which to show. Like if it's way too fan
servicing, I will drop it. I don't care if the plot is
good. I'll.
Drive truly believe that detracts from the plot because
you already have characters thatare not human beings.
Right. So I don't consider a story a a
story to be particularly strong if it can't treat any of its
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main cast as real people. Now this is a conversation for
another time, but Oh no, no, no,I do.
I do agree that or I would say that there are some show series
out there where there would be what you would call quote UN
quote fan service, but in my opinion serves the plot much,
much better than like your average fan service.
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And so I think a lot of people, again, the pendulum always
swings from one end to the other.
I think a lot of people who are like very anti fanservice, which
they should be. I myself don't like fanservice
will will be like, oh, any form of nudity or any form of sexual
expression or any form of whatever.
This is just going to be like garbage because it's fanservice.
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But I think that there are thereare some series that utilize
that in a great way. Like there's a series called
Alfin lied. I've heard about it.
I never saw it. And the like the main girl
there, she's just like naked allthe time.
And it's like it doesn't bother me.
And I don't think it's I don't think it's for fan service in
the sense that like, you know, I'm going to I'm going to goon
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to this. I certainly didn't.
But again. I mean, I'm sure there are
people out there who have and who do, but that that story's
plot to me wasn't like sexual inthat sense, I don't think.
That's necessarily my issue though.
It's more so how does that leak into mainstream culture?
The like very very baseline objectification.
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Yeah. Of especially like prepubescent
female forms, you know for sure.Like that's more my issue.
So when I see fanservice, I see a long line of what happens.
I don't just see like a panty shot.
I'm like, OK, that's a panty shot.
She's 12. Oh yeah?
Well, I do. You know what?
I mean no. Contest.
I just look at it in a differentway where like I see everything
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else that comes with something that is seemingly A1 off moment.
Oh yeah, for sure. So I take it maybe more
seriously than other people, butit hasn't hasn't detracted from
stories that in in my experience, because I don't, I
hate nudity. I don't hate sex in animation or
anything. But I mean, I would say a really
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good example would be Paprika. Oh yeah, yeah.
There's nudity in that one. There's a lot of like crass
moments. There's also a part where she
gets her whole body, like unzipped as an allegory for
rape. Like it's, I consider the ways
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in which normally objectified forms are portrayed in
animation. Yeah, more so than just like
maybe the average viewer, I guess.
I would say that's kind of more in line with I I think any, any
level headed person would agree with that a lot.
Of level headed people. That's what I'm saying is like
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you're you're, you're, you're talking is a like, oh,
everybody's like this, but there's like some subconscious
stuff going on with with these things where like they haven't,
the cultures haven't grown out of them.
But this is still an ongoing issue, you know, like what,
which culture? There's still, well, just like,
I guess, people who enjoy all ofthis anime stuff.
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OK, so yeah, so in weed culture.Yeah, like, OK, you can overlook
it, doesn't mean it's not doing damage.
To who? To the consumer.
Yeah. Interesting To.
Society as a whole, it just becomes more more common place.
I think it's great and fantastic.
We should talk about that more deep tracking.
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I'm sorry, but the subconscious I'm interested because again,
like I myself. Writing on this.
Really. Yeah.
Whoa. Can you think of any?
I'll. Send you some.
OK, there's like. I wish I had it on me so I could
show it to you. Judith Butler did a a piece
about this as well. Do you ever see her piece of
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dinner table? I think it's called really
interesting, very 70s performance art.
But a lot of like how we consumethe female form is subconscious.
So like how how do you separate different parts of the body?
How are they portrayed? Like there's some really cool
writing about like how things become permissible because it
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doesn't bother you. Well, OK, so I love I love this
topic and I would love to get way more into this.
And I agree and I do want to go the record just to say if any
anime has, you know, minors thatare depicted sexually, it's it's
an odd like it's it's. Hard Sword Art Online was crazy.
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Like season 1 or? That shows nuts.
I remember when it came out. I don't.
I watched season 1 but I don't remember.
I don't really remember. It they were like kids, but they
were also fully grown adults, and then they had a baby.
It was like a whole thing. Right, I do think I remember
that being really weird. That was a weird thing, that.
Was a long time, that's how hard.
To break into that shit. Wow.
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See, this is the thing with mostpeople I feel like when they
watch anime is they watch the wrong ones and then they get
turned off and then they're like, I'm not going to even
bother. Even Full Metal has fanservice
on it. Oh yeah, you know what I mean?
Like it's. Yeah.
That's not so much the issue. But I feel like a lot of series
nowadays are really good at likenot doing that as much anymore
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unless it's kind of like a major, major series.
I just feel like that's freakinginevitable that they'll make a
character's breast larger in theanime than they were in the
manga. And that bothers me because it's
like it's like so needed so obvious that what was just done
here was not for the right reason.
That's why I love like I think amain series that does it right
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would be like Jiu jitsu Kaisen. They their female character is
super strong like the. I've heard good things, yeah.
I try not to hate on stuff I haven't seen.
Right, that show is super beloved and and it's it does so
by not being really fancy. I think Demon Slayer is the same
way. I didn't finish demon Slayer.
Slayer still has some weird things.
Did it really going on though? I don't know, just like a
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muzzled 10 year old girl that like is just a weird vibe in
general. But that's but that's part of
culture, like in for a demon, not to no.
No, no, it it is. I'm I don't know if this was
more like the consumers necessarily than than the actual
anime because I don't remember awhole lot a fan service in the
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show, but I remember a lot of people doing like the shipping
thing and that was like a weird vibe.
Shipping culture. I will never understand.
I've never done it myself. I won't ever partake in it.
That's weird. I don't like, I love anime but I
don't watch to the point where I'm like obsessing over and and
like dreaming of these characters being with each other
romantically. Like I don't understand that.
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I'm very much I want to know what's cannon and what happens.
Oh, you're. A cannon person.
I do not care about your head cannon because it's not real.
So you can tell me, you know, you think I don't know, someone
like Naruto is gay. And I'm like, I think.
He's a little gay. Will you stop?
He's a little gay. He's a little gay.
Threw that. I just a little threw that into
the. Air I just feel like he and
Sasuke had like a good Lord, just just OK.
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I regret. I regret.
I watched two seasons and I I'm just.
Saying I thought that that I I give the most random example and
you somehow you somehow. Wow.
OK, well, still there you go. Here's my point for.
Two seasons, I don't care what you say.
They literally kiss in like the first two episode.
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Accident. Yeah.
Accident, yeah. I feel like that sparked
something. OK, sometimes underneath all the
rivalry. That's your head cat.
The less the. People are with me.
I know the people are with me. Are stupid.
That's why that's. Why the shipping culture?
You're dumb. It's.
Like this is great, this is good.
I get that. Gutter does it, I don't care.
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Oh no. Oh no.
If if what's his face wants to be like?
But that's never gonna happen. Why can't you just have fun?
Because it's not fun to me. The story is self-contained.
The story is the. People are with me, the people
are with me and they know and they we all know.
I am not having this discussion right now because I didn't think
it was going to even get to thispoint and I love Naruto, it's
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one of my favorites and I'm not saying it wouldn't be as good if
he was gay because literally nothing would freaking change.
There's some homophobia in the room right now and I just want
everyone to know that I'm going to catch it.
I'm going to, I'm going to take care of it.
If he was gay, the show would bejust as good.
Of course I would. But I'm not saying it wouldn't
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be. What I'm saying is the story is
finished. I don't want to hear your
theories about Nard being gay cuz he's.
Not I don't think he would gay. I think he just was like a
little see, you know? Hypothetical I don't.
I hate, I hate. Hypothetical.
I'm aware. Because they just, they waste
your time. Let's move on to.
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What Are you sure? Because I'm really having fun
with with this a lot. I'm sure you are, I'm sure I'm
sure some people sitting here also having fun, but I really
want to talk about on this episode.
I've been itching to ask you because as somebody who is his
self-proclaimed ethical weeb, there's that's.
Insane phrase. Insane.
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I love anime and I love otaku culture and I love all of that.
I mean my page. I would rather I would.
Rather you said that than ethical weeb.
Like, I love to make up words and phrases all the time.
I'm sticking with that. OK, I I have to say that 'cause
I need to separate myself from the majority of weebs out there.
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That word itself has a bad connotation.
OK. So yeah, but you keep you keep
throwing me off of the off of the track here.
Let's get to. What's the question?
The main question of this episode What's the question?
You officially went to Anime Expo.
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Oh yeah. How was?
It Oh my God, it was so much I. Let's preface this really quick.
I mean, I'm sure we have enough context, but you are not a weeb
you. No, I'm just.
Annoying are not like me. No fuck in.
The sense that you love anime, you just.
We just spent like 20 minutes talking about that.
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You've only seen like 3 or 4, you know?
Yeah. So as somebody who is coming
into this from the outside and you are going to watch more
anime in the future, because I, I, I know that you're that's
something that you're going to. Really.
Why is that something you're going to be doing?
Well, you. Just I know that you recently,
you know, entered into a new relationship and that that
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person loves. Yeah, anime, I don't know,
almost just practically as much as myself and.
Yeah, but he doesn't say that he's an ethical weeb, so I
really think we're going to makeit.
Well, you know what? Let's OK, you know, well, that
remains to be seen and that's OK.
OK, back to the question. What?
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How was it? I actually, to be honest, I had
an amazing time. I did.
Didn't fully expect to because Ijust felt like I didn't have
enough understanding. Yeah, of anything.
I kind of felt like I'd be walking into a lot of confusion
and everybody be like this one, this, this, this, this, and I
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would just be so confused and soout of it.
But I actually recognized a lot of stuff and I really, I loved
seeing all the cosplayers I loved.
Well, I didn't love seeing all the cosplayers I loved.
Wait, why not? Why wouldn't you like seeing all
the cosplayers? I think a wig is really
important and. Yeah.
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Even me, I know how to put a wigon.
OK. So why couldn't some of these
people? I do remember when we were
walking the exhibition hall, youdid make some comments for your
life that way if. It's the vibe, you know what I
mean? Like if your cosplay is supposed
to be funny, you know, or supposed to look slapdash, I
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think that's fun. Yeah.
But I know some of these people just don't know how to style
their wigs. Or how to put the wig?
On and that was really hard for me because a lot of the costume
would look great yeah and it would be really well put
together but maybe it's like a materials issue because they
would get to the hair and just nothing and you know what I've
watched a lot of YouTube tutorials on how to do wigs yeah
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and you can you can fix them on a budget.
OK. It is not, it's not hard.
So I think that was kind of disappointing to me because I
really thought people would at least like comb their and I was
like, maybe. They ran out of time.
Maybe they ran out of time. Y'all would.
Not catch me outside with a fluff when I could be combing
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my. Wife.
Maybe it was their first time and they ran out of time.
Some of them, absolutely. Some of them?
Come on now. Yeah, OK.
So I didn't, I didn't love that,but I love everything else.
I'm sure a lot of cosplayers right now are.
I'm ready to be. Crucified.
No, I'm, I'm sure they're sayingyes with you.
OK, yeah, this I, I do have somemutuals like on Instagram where
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they do love to cosplay and I see them talking a lot about
wigs and I don't cosplay myself so I don't know like the
importance of these pieces here,but I do know that wigs do play
a pretty important part in costume design and there's.
So many you can take a cheap wig.
Literally. They make this more liquidy
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matting spray that will take away that plasticky Sheen.
Real easy look natural in. Just a couple minutes.
It's like it's not, it's not hard and it doesn't even take
like a lot of work. You could just go like matte
spray and it'll take care of it.You know what?
I mean like. There are a lot of tools at hand
that are just going to make it look more natural and I don't
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know why I have this information.
When you're an artist. I can I just consider I've
always considered cosplay very sculptural.
And sculpture. Is so cool.
Wow. It's, it's something that I've
only done in terms of like stop motion or a couple of like
smaller shoots. Yeah.
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And it's fucking hard. So making work that you wear.
Yeah. So bad ass.
Well, we just got some. We just got some lore dropped
here. What's the context behind some
people listening? No.
Well, I worked in stop motion for a long time.
Wow. I was a fabricator, so I wasn't
an animator, right? I've only done 2D animation
work. Right.
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But for stop motion, I did some stuff and I was fabricating so
I'd build the miniatures. Wow, that was great.
Yeah, it was the best. Like years of my life was
working on on those things. Wow.
And then I, I moved up a little bit and I did basically they're
like I did some small photo shoots and I did, I did a couple
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of ad campaigns too that were sculptural, like we built items
that were then used in the ads. Yeah, as as set.
Pieces and those were always really, really fun and I did
some like I did some claymation.I've done the last big one I
did. We made a huge marshmallow
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sculpture and obviously it was like foil plaster wrap a fat ton
of mushrooms that we like dippedin sparkles with like clear glue
and then resined it like it's like a lot like a lot of like
buildings you. Got to be creative to figure
this stuff out it. Is it?
Is it's it's really and it's hard work.
Well, that's why you know all this information about
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cosplaying, you know the insurance and outs of all this
stuff. No, I know.
I know it in like a adjacent wig, Yeah.
So I just think you could fix your wig and if you.
Don't want? To you could just hire.
Me. Well, there's your PSA, there's
your PSA. You know, if you're getting into
cosplay or if you haven't cosplaying, you need to
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prioritize the wig. If you want it to look cohesive,
you have to have every part. Gotcha.
So Anime Expo? Fantastic.
Some wigs could do better. Yes, but it was really.
Fun. And it was really fun.
So what was fun about it? I felt really comfortable.
OK. Like, I don't know, I've, I've
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struggled a lot with having things that I liked that I was
not allowed to like or was judged for, right?
Nothing crazy, you know, but just in general, kids are mean.
Yeah, of course. And while when I was growing up,
I mean we were bullied for liking anime.
Yeah, things are different. We used to read bleach in middle
school. Like we'd climb up trees and
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read it. Yes.
Because everyone was mean about it.
Oh my gosh. Wow.
So like and Ron Mahaff which is fan servicy but it also made me
trans. What was the What was the show?
Ron Mahaff. Ron Mahaff.
I don't. I don't know what that is.
Rumiko Takahashi. I don't 1 of Inuyasha.
Oh, OK, yeah. One of the greatest what I have
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manga artist. Oh, OK.
I believe you. I believe you.
So sad. That's so.
I'm so sad. You don't know.
I'm. Kahashi, what kind of weeb are
you? Well, listen, I don't this is I
need to do better, OK, I'll admit that I need to do better
and I need to. Are you listening and learning?
Yes, I'm listening. This is a moment of of learning
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for me right now, and I'm listening to you.
No, it really I need to make more of an effort to know these
mangaka, I think is what they'reis what the proper term is for
them so that they can have the proper respect that they
deserve. But no, yeah, I don't I don't.
I wouldn't know that person's byname.
I mean, I don't even remember the the name of the of the
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mangaka for Naruto. And that's my favorite anime of
all time, so. But yeah, I, I, I should do
better, yeah. I think that would be really
good. It's also just nice.
Well, it's fun. Yeah.
It's a learning opportunity. You can show me.
You can show me like why that's important.
Like I love, that's also one thing why I love having really
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diverse friends and relationships because it's like
you get to teach each other things, you know what I mean?
Otherwise I wouldn't have known like, hey, this is like
important to know or to or to see the importance of.
So that's cool. That was a cool teaching moment.
So yeah. So we used to be bullied for
liking anime things in school. And.
(38:07):
And so in this convention, it's kind of like a safe space for
everybody. It should be.
I mean it. Should be.
I mean, I felt I felt safe. I don't think it's good.
I didn't feel like anyone was like staring at me or anything.
Right. Well, you also weren't
cosplaying though. True, but I mean, I enter any
space where there's a lot of menand I get stressed out, right,
just on the basis of everything fair.
(38:28):
But I felt very much like peoplewere in their element.
Yeah, and were. Very comfortable and so I felt
comfortable by proxy and that was really cool.
Yeah. And I got lots of cool stuff
you. Did.
And I love being in the artist alley and seeing so much that's.
My favorite part of it, yeah. That was the best part.
Like panels and stuff. I, I don't think I would have
(38:50):
wanted to go to, but I love, I adored going to the Artist
Alley. I could have stood there
forever. I wish I could just pay to just
go to that. Yeah.
Like I don't necessarily need tobe on the convention floor.
I love it myself just so I couldbuy certain things that I know
are going to be inflated online,but the artist alley is
definitely where it's at for sure.
(39:13):
Like that's my favorite. Yeah, that's my, that's my
absolute favorite was was the artist.
And this year, it wasn't hot as hell.
Is it usually? Oh my gosh, the last two times
I've been in the artist alley, Iwas so thirsty.
So, so freaking thirsty. And it was so hot.
(39:33):
It was such a horrible experience and there were so
many people. But this time it was way better.
It was much, much cooler. I don't know if it's because he
went on day one, If that has anything to do with it, I don't
know. But it was a it was very
comfortable down there and therewere so many beautiful artists.
Do you remember any of the things that you bought that you
you could tell us about? I got I got a Mob Psycho air
(39:57):
freshener. Yeah.
I got I got a Evangelion T-shirt.
Heck yeah. Which I'm going to wear
tomorrow. Cool, love that.
And then I got stickers and I got a really pretty print.
(40:18):
I'm blanking on names right now cuz so you'll have to forgive me
for. I don't know, I, I think I might
censor that because I, I think it might sound funnier if I
censor that. I think that would be really
fun. I think people will figure it
out, but I think it'd be funny. OK, so, but I mean you got a lot
(40:38):
of cool stuff you got, you did get some cool shirts.
Yeah, my partner got me lots of things.
Cool stickers. I love that for you.
Yeah. That was really great.
I felt very happy. It's something I would
definitely do again, but I don'tthink they should charge $100 a
ticket. I think they should extend it
over multiple days and lower theprices and people will.
(40:58):
Well, it's three days. Three days is fine, I think it
should be like 5. And lower the ticket prices.
And then rotate the artists out so that they're not vying for a
spot that they have to pay a lotof money for too.
Oh damn that's very true. I have seen things online where
it's like an artist breaks down how much it costs them to go to
Anime Expo versus how much they made and and a lot of times it's
(41:21):
like they break even if if at all.
If they so often they don't. But isn't the trade off exposure
though, wouldn't you, what did you say for the most, Yeah,
wouldn't you say that that's kind of included in the cost?
I would I would argue we've beensaying we're gonna pay artists
an exposure since the beginning of time.
(41:41):
Wow, we could stop now. Wow, that's good.
That's really good. You know I'm paid an exposure.
Wow, for a lot of stuff. Yeah, actually saying no to that
loses you clients initially. Yeah, for sure.
So I I think that would be a better solution.
So call me Anime Expo I can fix this.
(42:03):
Dang I have no information on anything you guys do but I can
fix the artist that. 'D be so cool if this reached
them. Do you do you remember like your
favorite cosplay? Like, did you end up seeing a
cosplay where you're like, well that's really good?
I saw a couple of Vash, which was really fun.
I saw 11 Edward L Reich, which was also very exciting for me.
(42:27):
Yeah, there was one, but I I don't know who the character
was. Gotcha.
But it was that woman that you showed me, like we walked around
her at the main like where everyone was taking their photos
and stuff and she, she was like in white.
And then there was like, I guessa red crown thing on her or
something. White and red crown.
Yeah, I. What?
(42:49):
What did the crown look like? It's.
Kind of like a moon. And then there was 1 going like
this way and she had like big white go go boots on.
Oh my. Gosh.
She did an amazing job and her hair looked great.
Huh. Not the not the woman that you
told me was was famous. OK, that's what I was thinking
(43:11):
you were talking about. So I do know this character
then. Crescent Crown, not horns.
Maybe they were horns. It's totally.
It wasn't. No, it wasn't Kobayashi, not at
all. No, not even close.
Dang, I don't know what you're talking about.
I do remember showing you like agood Amelia from Zero, probably
(43:35):
a good R.E.M. from Zero, becausethat's usually done a lot.
Machima. I remember, I remember I showed
you a really good Machima one time from Chainsaw Mange.
She wears a like white T-shirt, like a white dress shirt, slack
pants. And she there is a like a form
(43:56):
of her where it's like a crown above, but it's more like a
flesh crown. And it is like what you
described. But I don't know, maybe I
remember someday. So you liked it, you had fun?
Yeah. I think the the favorite part
for both of us was the artist alley.
Oh, not. OK, I'm going to censor that
(44:22):
too. Goodness, would you do it again?
Yeah, of course. Really.
Yeah, you would do it again. Yeah, I would love to go support
the artists especially. Oh, OK, that alone, I think that
would be worth it. Is there another convention you
would love to go to? If they made like a dinosaur
convention. A dinosaur convention.
(44:43):
I would go so fast. Holy.
Crud, just dinosaurs just like. Holy that would be amazing.
That sounds pretty cool. Because the things that are I
care about, like Freeze, is technically the art world's
anime Expo. Right and.
It's and it's awful. You know, light boxes like the
(45:04):
animation comics industries, Anime Expo.
It sucks. Whoa, I I went to light box so
but I did not have a good time. Wow.
And no, so I think, I think a more relaxed space, I don't
think that's gonna happen in thefine art world.
Wow, so so dinosaurs.
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