November 1, 2024 • 17 mins
In this episode of SocialBJJ, we explore why many practitioners learn defensive moves incorrectly by focusing on bad positions. Host David Rogers discusses the impact of this approach on real sparring, how it affects skill development, and shares tips for training defense more effectively. Tune in for practical insights to enhance your training and overall Jiu-Jitsu journey.
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(00:00):
Hey guys, so wanted to restart this podcast get it kicking get it up and started again and for those who don't know
(00:07):
I'm Dave been doing just who this month makes 10 years since I've been doing jujitsu
And I really want to get started on this because there's there's so many things that are going on
and I'm going whenever I go to the gym we talk and we chat and I
I'm reminded of
You know, maybe 10 years ago when I was starting to just or maybe eight years ago
(00:29):
when I was trying to figure out some stuff
And I really want to just be able to share the concepts and the thought process behind it and not necessarily cover too much of the
You know technique clips that you'll see like on Instagram or shorts on YouTube
but really just be able to talk about some of these ideas and and have them like fleshed out and
(00:51):
Because these are the ideas honestly to me that really shaped my jujitsu and really changed how I view things
And I think that's really where people
Really improve not just like focusing on the techniques and I know a lot of people have heard that before like hey
Don't like focus on the techniques like focus on what you need
The conceptual approach and you're gonna get better now obviously that's true
(01:15):
but if you're just starting off and you don't have any techniques and obviously you need to get some techniques and then you need to
Be able to apply those concepts to those techniques just like if you're getting started in anything you got to learn the basics, right?
And then you can actually
Conceptually start applying those basic skills, right?
You got to be able to add and subtract and do your multiplication and division and then you can start working with you know
(01:42):
Fractions and you can start working with you know
Geometry and all the other types of math that are out there
And it's with that just about everything like you want to get into coding or you want to get into cybersecurity
You got to learn the basics, you know how to build a hyperlink or how to secure
Your you know your network and then you go on to actually
(02:05):
Building out full-fledged websites
But guess what those still those basic techniques that you use to create a hyperlink or whatever else or string on a page
Like some text on the page like you're still going to be using those basic skills and the same thing could be set for
Jiu-Jitsu right how to do a basic armbar how to do a basic, you know grab a kimura how to do
(02:28):
Just about anything right like the basic movements you do need those and then it's all about
concepts and the approach to
apply those
Basic techniques that we have and so today I really wanted to talk about how we learn things incorrectly I
Truly believe that we learn a lot of moves incorrectly and I think that when you when you look at
(02:56):
Let's say
When you look at how a basic armbar like I was just saying when you look at a basic armbar
Usually is taught with the person laying down and
Your your your UK or your person that you're you're drilling on and they're just like laying down on the ground and you know you
(03:18):
You have their arm
Right and then they allow you to do the armbar or they allow you to do the transition to the armbar and
Of course, there's something to be said like again. You have to learn
How to do the technique?
You have to know that right it makes sense
However, but I do believe that we're practicing on really bad defense
(03:40):
And I'm gonna do another like podcast video or podcast of on this in terms of like different tiers of defense
And how it will make you better at jujitsu, but for now
just understand the concept of if I'm drilling a static move of
me just
(04:02):
Like arm barring somebody who's already laying down without necessarily resisting against me
That doesn't necessarily translate to me being able to do that move live in a row
Even if I am like working on the transitions, right?
If I'm working on transitions to the armbar that doesn't translate
So I remember when I first was getting started or you know a year or two years in I'm learning all these different techniques
(04:23):
Even three or four years and you know, I'm learning all these different techniques
And I'm not ever like really able to hit them as
Often or against better guys. I'm not able to hit them and
I'm trying to figure out well
Maybe I'm just doing the techniques wrong and the reality is they're not putting themselves in position
(04:44):
For me to be able to apply those techniques
They're preventative jujitsu is better than my offensive jujitsu and I think that's something that really needs to be
talked about right
if we're only focusing on
attacking
Like best case scenarios right when we have them in the best case scenario, then we're not gonna get better
(05:10):
We got to figure out alright now. I know how to do the armbar. How do I get him to this position?
How do I get him to be like how do I get him in side control?
For example, I struggled to get to side control right? How do I get the person to be here for me to be able to even apply this position?
And when I'm inside control, how do I get him his arm to be in this perfect spot?
(05:31):
Because sometimes I get to side control, but the person's arm is not there
They're under hooking somewhere else or ghost escaping. They're doing something
Where I'm not able to hit the move off right and you you'll ask some of some instructors
and I know some instructors that has some in the past and they just say, you know, that's because you suck and you got to get better and
you know, that's how
That's how people talk into just that's how we talk sometimes and I'm guilty of like just jokingly doing that
(05:57):
But more importantly, it's like recognizing the positions recognizing the concept of why that's important and say for example the armbar
Why why am I able to hit the armbar from whatever?
scenario well, it's because
I'm isolating the arm right or like I I prefer Camoras. I love love Camoras
Right anytime a elbow is bent. That's asking for a Camora, right?
(06:21):
It doesn't matter where the more like where you see it
And it really doesn't matter even if somebody takes your back if you're able to you know, get their arm right there
That's you still technically have a Camora now becomes kind of a still me at that point
You're not really able to break anything
That I've tried and seen but yet
right so going back to the point of you know
(06:43):
having these like
or
Defensive postures when we're learning new moves and constantly staying in that cycle
There's consequences to that. There's consequences is like, you know, you your habits are not gonna be as effective
Right, your your training results are not gonna be as effective
And then also ultimately the self-talk that you have when you're driving home is not gonna be positive, right?
(07:08):
and so how can we go about avoiding or
Overcoming these types of barriers at least one method that I've done and I learned this from the
Gracie training center when I was in
South Korea
in Seoul Gangnam and
(07:30):
Basically all their training centers work the same way
I believe the Gracie Academy all their training centers work the same way
So you would learn the move and then you start building resistance with your training partners on that move, right?
And so
Their online platform also like goes over this so the first the first phase
You and your partner. Yeah, your partner should be like a dummy like not actually doing anything and then it moves on
(07:54):
Right the next is like maybe
And when I say dummy like not doing anything they just literally are letting you do the move
Then it moves on to somebody who's actually moving but they don't really necessarily know Jiu Jitsu
But they're just trying to move and just give you a little hard time. You can say like maybe 10% 15%
You still should be winning, right? And then you the your training partner just continuously up
(08:18):
Ups the
difficulty or resistance, right and to the point where all right now it's kind of like a struggle, right?
Right when it becomes a struggle right when your training partner actually stops you from doing the move and by the way your training partner is
Learning in this process. So when you are the training partner, you should be sharpening your defense
Whenever you are an UK for somebody you should always be thinking what is making this move work?
(08:42):
What if I did this? All right. Well in this position
Possibly in this position. There's nothing that I can do defensively like I'm just got all right
How do I stop myself from getting into this position? That should be the thought process, right?
So as you guys are wrapping this move
As you're drilling this move, right and you're up your UK is upping the difficulty they should be thinking, huh?
(09:04):
Okay, what if I did this to stop him and then by the time where you guys are like now, you know, you did the 50% you did 60 75 80 now
You guys are like actually
positionally sparring live roll type of sparring in this position working on this move or embarking or whatever to
(09:24):
Backtake whatever it is
Now at this point
You still should be able to hit the move right?
When you get to the point of I guess let me backtrack a little bit when you get to the point of like dang like maybe
60% the person's resisting you're like missing you're messing up. It's like, okay, let's stop
(09:44):
Let's pause for a second. What are you doing that stop is stopping me from being able to hit this armbar or the kumara the backtake or whatever, right?
What are you doing? Have that conversation with your partner?
And then you go back at it, right and then you're not gonna win all the time and your partner's not gonna win all the time
You guys go back and forth back and forth back and forth
That is truly how you develop
(10:07):
These techniques to the point where now after you spend maybe 10 minutes of going back and forth with this this one position
This one move right usually classes are about an hour, right?
So you spend 10 minutes going over this one move and then maybe the instructor might add in a variation to that move
Right and then you spend another 10 minutes going over that variation or maybe five minutes going over that variation
(10:32):
Of you guys constantly going back and forth back and forth trying it out working the defensive side of it
But also working the offensive side of things you're gonna get much you're gonna be much much much much much better
Much much much better off than how'd you just sit there and just mindlessly drill these moves, right?
And I've seen this like a lot of gyms that I go to you see the instructor teach to the move and everybody's just kind of like
(10:59):
Maybe doing their own thing adding like you know a transition to it or a finish to the move that the instructor showed
And then kind of like there everybody's just waiting waiting to roll instead of like using that time effectively to actually hone both your offensive and defensive skills
And I really think that is a missed opportunity and because of that a lot of people don't necessarily progress even though they're at a lot of classes
(11:26):
They're not necessarily sharpening their mind. They're not sharpening the conceptual like the key to the move
They're not sharpening their mind. They're not sharpening the conceptual like the concepts the concepts of why this works
They're not thinking about why this works. It's just do this and get said result. It's like well, why does this move work and does this fit with my game
(11:49):
Does this fit with my leg length and my arm length and you know my weight or you know my gender sometimes there's certain moves that women just don't want to do
Or men don't want to do that when we can do it right whatever the case may be or sometimes just moves that you just personally don't like
Right. I'm not a huge leg locker for example. I don't I can do it but I just don't really find it enjoyable. I enjoy actually
(12:18):
Finishing the role with a submission like you know a smother I should say or a rare neck and choke or something along those lines
Where the fight actually would be over right opposed to like you know handicapping somebody which is they're very effective. They're very effective. Don't get me wrong. They're very effective
(12:40):
It's just I find joy out of that anyway. So going back to it we we need to really get out of that loop of that mindless list of like when we're just in class and we're just waiting to roll like
Use that time to actually sharpen that that skill so that when you do roll you're able to actually use the moves that you learned in class right like that's the whole point of coming to class and learning something new from somebody that's better than you right your instructors are better than you usually
(13:11):
You know or there may be there better at you but then you at something right and and you know you want to add that thing to your to your to your game and if the training is not necessarily in that way becomes very very difficult if you're just used to just just mindlessly drilling the moves
(13:32):
Right when roles start you're not going to be able to hit it right and so that's like one thing I don't know if anybody was listening that actually rose with me whenever we do like the move of the day. I'm instantly like kind of putting everybody in that position to hit the move of the day
Because because in my mind I'm like all right I've been working on the defense as the dummy I've been thinking like maybe I can do this as the okay I'm like maybe I can do this to stop the person maybe I can do this so now instantly I want to go in the live role and then
(14:06):
See if my defense is actually working live right and so I just try to jump straight into that position not necessarily telling people that let's start there but I'm going to try to end up in that position if the person wants to start there even better for me right because I want to work on that
And those are some ways of you know we can really overcome that that cycle and really get better the better you are defense I feel personally feel like the better your just will become right because then you're going to be less afraid to actually pull a trigger on a couple different like a different attacks right you're going to be
(14:44):
The rounds will actually start lasting longer which will give you more confidence and when I say the rounds will last longer obviously the rounds if it's five minutes six minutes seven minutes eight minutes whatever the round is that's the time right but what I mean is
The submission won't come as soon as it maybe normally does right maybe you might get tapped within two minutes three minutes four minutes right but when your defense is at a level of high effectiveness high I think that's a word
(15:12):
High efficient is very efficient and effective then the rounds actually don't feel as tiring but also you're able to go on an offensive approach offensive attack sequence a lot more because mentally you're not worried about getting submitted as much right and so these are some some things that I really think that are beneficial that I personally see and what I'm
(15:42):
I think that when I speak with other people who do just so they kind of struggle with and I'm hoping that we can all improve we can all be better and one thing that I do want to do is start like maybe perhaps like reviewing some instructional clips and saying you know why or actually showing some actual footage of people hitting moves
(16:10):
and then showing like why the move worked in the first place right and what the person on defense did wrong we always like show what the person did offensively that was amazing but we've very very rarely show why the person got caught like where was the mistake with the person who got caught like where did they make the mistake was it
(16:32):
when when did it happen on the initial slapping but like slap bump or was a like was a was a move just that that's right well where was it and so these are these are some things that I want to go over those are probably shorts
but yeah I think we've been chatting for a while now I don't want to I don't want these to be too long so I'll see you guys in the next one base
Hey guys, so wanted to restart this podcast get it kicking get it up and started again and for those who don't know
(00:07):
I'm Dave been doing just who this month makes 10 years since I've been doing jujitsu
And I really want to get started on this because there's there's so many things that are going on
and I'm going whenever I go to the gym we talk and we chat and I
I'm reminded of
You know, maybe 10 years ago when I was starting to just or maybe eight years ago
(00:29):
when I was trying to figure out some stuff
And I really want to just be able to share the concepts and the thought process behind it and not necessarily cover too much of the
You know technique clips that you'll see like on Instagram or shorts on YouTube
but really just be able to talk about some of these ideas and and have them like fleshed out and
(00:51):
Because these are the ideas honestly to me that really shaped my jujitsu and really changed how I view things
And I think that's really where people
Really improve not just like focusing on the techniques and I know a lot of people have heard that before like hey
Don't like focus on the techniques like focus on what you need
The conceptual approach and you're gonna get better now obviously that's true
(01:15):
but if you're just starting off and you don't have any techniques and obviously you need to get some techniques and then you need to
Be able to apply those concepts to those techniques just like if you're getting started in anything you got to learn the basics, right?
And then you can actually
Conceptually start applying those basic skills, right?
You got to be able to add and subtract and do your multiplication and division and then you can start working with you know
(01:42):
Fractions and you can start working with you know
Geometry and all the other types of math that are out there
And it's with that just about everything like you want to get into coding or you want to get into cybersecurity
You got to learn the basics, you know how to build a hyperlink or how to secure
Your you know your network and then you go on to actually
(02:05):
Building out full-fledged websites
But guess what those still those basic techniques that you use to create a hyperlink or whatever else or string on a page
Like some text on the page like you're still going to be using those basic skills and the same thing could be set for
Jiu-Jitsu right how to do a basic armbar how to do a basic, you know grab a kimura how to do
(02:28):
Just about anything right like the basic movements you do need those and then it's all about
concepts and the approach to
apply those
Basic techniques that we have and so today I really wanted to talk about how we learn things incorrectly I
Truly believe that we learn a lot of moves incorrectly and I think that when you when you look at
(02:56):
Let's say
When you look at how a basic armbar like I was just saying when you look at a basic armbar
Usually is taught with the person laying down and
Your your your UK or your person that you're you're drilling on and they're just like laying down on the ground and you know you
(03:18):
You have their arm
Right and then they allow you to do the armbar or they allow you to do the transition to the armbar and
Of course, there's something to be said like again. You have to learn
How to do the technique?
You have to know that right it makes sense
However, but I do believe that we're practicing on really bad defense
(03:40):
And I'm gonna do another like podcast video or podcast of on this in terms of like different tiers of defense
And how it will make you better at jujitsu, but for now
just understand the concept of if I'm drilling a static move of
me just
(04:02):
Like arm barring somebody who's already laying down without necessarily resisting against me
That doesn't necessarily translate to me being able to do that move live in a row
Even if I am like working on the transitions, right?
If I'm working on transitions to the armbar that doesn't translate
So I remember when I first was getting started or you know a year or two years in I'm learning all these different techniques
(04:23):
Even three or four years and you know, I'm learning all these different techniques
And I'm not ever like really able to hit them as
Often or against better guys. I'm not able to hit them and
I'm trying to figure out well
Maybe I'm just doing the techniques wrong and the reality is they're not putting themselves in position
(04:44):
For me to be able to apply those techniques
They're preventative jujitsu is better than my offensive jujitsu and I think that's something that really needs to be
talked about right
if we're only focusing on
attacking
Like best case scenarios right when we have them in the best case scenario, then we're not gonna get better
(05:10):
We got to figure out alright now. I know how to do the armbar. How do I get him to this position?
How do I get him to be like how do I get him in side control?
For example, I struggled to get to side control right? How do I get the person to be here for me to be able to even apply this position?
And when I'm inside control, how do I get him his arm to be in this perfect spot?
(05:31):
Because sometimes I get to side control, but the person's arm is not there
They're under hooking somewhere else or ghost escaping. They're doing something
Where I'm not able to hit the move off right and you you'll ask some of some instructors
and I know some instructors that has some in the past and they just say, you know, that's because you suck and you got to get better and
you know, that's how
That's how people talk into just that's how we talk sometimes and I'm guilty of like just jokingly doing that
(05:57):
But more importantly, it's like recognizing the positions recognizing the concept of why that's important and say for example the armbar
Why why am I able to hit the armbar from whatever?
scenario well, it's because
I'm isolating the arm right or like I I prefer Camoras. I love love Camoras
Right anytime a elbow is bent. That's asking for a Camora, right?
(06:21):
It doesn't matter where the more like where you see it
And it really doesn't matter even if somebody takes your back if you're able to you know, get their arm right there
That's you still technically have a Camora now becomes kind of a still me at that point
You're not really able to break anything
That I've tried and seen but yet
right so going back to the point of you know
(06:43):
having these like
or
Defensive postures when we're learning new moves and constantly staying in that cycle
There's consequences to that. There's consequences is like, you know, you your habits are not gonna be as effective
Right, your your training results are not gonna be as effective
And then also ultimately the self-talk that you have when you're driving home is not gonna be positive, right?
(07:08):
and so how can we go about avoiding or
Overcoming these types of barriers at least one method that I've done and I learned this from the
Gracie training center when I was in
South Korea
in Seoul Gangnam and
(07:30):
Basically all their training centers work the same way
I believe the Gracie Academy all their training centers work the same way
So you would learn the move and then you start building resistance with your training partners on that move, right?
And so
Their online platform also like goes over this so the first the first phase
You and your partner. Yeah, your partner should be like a dummy like not actually doing anything and then it moves on
(07:54):
Right the next is like maybe
And when I say dummy like not doing anything they just literally are letting you do the move
Then it moves on to somebody who's actually moving but they don't really necessarily know Jiu Jitsu
But they're just trying to move and just give you a little hard time. You can say like maybe 10% 15%
You still should be winning, right? And then you the your training partner just continuously up
(08:18):
Ups the
difficulty or resistance, right and to the point where all right now it's kind of like a struggle, right?
Right when it becomes a struggle right when your training partner actually stops you from doing the move and by the way your training partner is
Learning in this process. So when you are the training partner, you should be sharpening your defense
Whenever you are an UK for somebody you should always be thinking what is making this move work?
(08:42):
What if I did this? All right. Well in this position
Possibly in this position. There's nothing that I can do defensively like I'm just got all right
How do I stop myself from getting into this position? That should be the thought process, right?
So as you guys are wrapping this move
As you're drilling this move, right and you're up your UK is upping the difficulty they should be thinking, huh?
(09:04):
Okay, what if I did this to stop him and then by the time where you guys are like now, you know, you did the 50% you did 60 75 80 now
You guys are like actually
positionally sparring live roll type of sparring in this position working on this move or embarking or whatever to
(09:24):
Backtake whatever it is
Now at this point
You still should be able to hit the move right?
When you get to the point of I guess let me backtrack a little bit when you get to the point of like dang like maybe
60% the person's resisting you're like missing you're messing up. It's like, okay, let's stop
(09:44):
Let's pause for a second. What are you doing that stop is stopping me from being able to hit this armbar or the kumara the backtake or whatever, right?
What are you doing? Have that conversation with your partner?
And then you go back at it, right and then you're not gonna win all the time and your partner's not gonna win all the time
You guys go back and forth back and forth back and forth
That is truly how you develop
(10:07):
These techniques to the point where now after you spend maybe 10 minutes of going back and forth with this this one position
This one move right usually classes are about an hour, right?
So you spend 10 minutes going over this one move and then maybe the instructor might add in a variation to that move
Right and then you spend another 10 minutes going over that variation or maybe five minutes going over that variation
(10:32):
Of you guys constantly going back and forth back and forth trying it out working the defensive side of it
But also working the offensive side of things you're gonna get much you're gonna be much much much much much better
Much much much better off than how'd you just sit there and just mindlessly drill these moves, right?
And I've seen this like a lot of gyms that I go to you see the instructor teach to the move and everybody's just kind of like
(10:59):
Maybe doing their own thing adding like you know a transition to it or a finish to the move that the instructor showed
And then kind of like there everybody's just waiting waiting to roll instead of like using that time effectively to actually hone both your offensive and defensive skills
And I really think that is a missed opportunity and because of that a lot of people don't necessarily progress even though they're at a lot of classes
(11:26):
They're not necessarily sharpening their mind. They're not sharpening the conceptual like the key to the move
They're not sharpening their mind. They're not sharpening the conceptual like the concepts the concepts of why this works
They're not thinking about why this works. It's just do this and get said result. It's like well, why does this move work and does this fit with my game
(11:49):
Does this fit with my leg length and my arm length and you know my weight or you know my gender sometimes there's certain moves that women just don't want to do
Or men don't want to do that when we can do it right whatever the case may be or sometimes just moves that you just personally don't like
Right. I'm not a huge leg locker for example. I don't I can do it but I just don't really find it enjoyable. I enjoy actually
(12:18):
Finishing the role with a submission like you know a smother I should say or a rare neck and choke or something along those lines
Where the fight actually would be over right opposed to like you know handicapping somebody which is they're very effective. They're very effective. Don't get me wrong. They're very effective
(12:40):
It's just I find joy out of that anyway. So going back to it we we need to really get out of that loop of that mindless list of like when we're just in class and we're just waiting to roll like
Use that time to actually sharpen that that skill so that when you do roll you're able to actually use the moves that you learned in class right like that's the whole point of coming to class and learning something new from somebody that's better than you right your instructors are better than you usually
(13:11):
You know or there may be there better at you but then you at something right and and you know you want to add that thing to your to your to your game and if the training is not necessarily in that way becomes very very difficult if you're just used to just just mindlessly drilling the moves
(13:32):
Right when roles start you're not going to be able to hit it right and so that's like one thing I don't know if anybody was listening that actually rose with me whenever we do like the move of the day. I'm instantly like kind of putting everybody in that position to hit the move of the day
Because because in my mind I'm like all right I've been working on the defense as the dummy I've been thinking like maybe I can do this as the okay I'm like maybe I can do this to stop the person maybe I can do this so now instantly I want to go in the live role and then
(14:06):
See if my defense is actually working live right and so I just try to jump straight into that position not necessarily telling people that let's start there but I'm going to try to end up in that position if the person wants to start there even better for me right because I want to work on that
And those are some ways of you know we can really overcome that that cycle and really get better the better you are defense I feel personally feel like the better your just will become right because then you're going to be less afraid to actually pull a trigger on a couple different like a different attacks right you're going to be
(14:44):
The rounds will actually start lasting longer which will give you more confidence and when I say the rounds will last longer obviously the rounds if it's five minutes six minutes seven minutes eight minutes whatever the round is that's the time right but what I mean is
The submission won't come as soon as it maybe normally does right maybe you might get tapped within two minutes three minutes four minutes right but when your defense is at a level of high effectiveness high I think that's a word
(15:12):
High efficient is very efficient and effective then the rounds actually don't feel as tiring but also you're able to go on an offensive approach offensive attack sequence a lot more because mentally you're not worried about getting submitted as much right and so these are some some things that I really think that are beneficial that I personally see and what I'm
(15:42):
I think that when I speak with other people who do just so they kind of struggle with and I'm hoping that we can all improve we can all be better and one thing that I do want to do is start like maybe perhaps like reviewing some instructional clips and saying you know why or actually showing some actual footage of people hitting moves
(16:10):
and then showing like why the move worked in the first place right and what the person on defense did wrong we always like show what the person did offensively that was amazing but we've very very rarely show why the person got caught like where was the mistake with the person who got caught like where did they make the mistake was it
(16:32):
when when did it happen on the initial slapping but like slap bump or was a like was a was a move just that that's right well where was it and so these are these are some things that I want to go over those are probably shorts
but yeah I think we've been chatting for a while now I don't want to I don't want these to be too long so I'll see you guys in the next one base
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