James Wedmore on Spirituality, Entrepreneurship, and the Power of Love Over Fear

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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Next up on Soul Level Human.
She gave it to me.
I throw the book in the trash.
You know it's just like don'tgive me this garbage.
Little by little I opened up toit.
The more I leaned into thespiritual aspect.
Everything I touched justturned to gold, like everything
started working.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
If you feel like your soul came to this planet for a
reason and you're looking aroundat the state of the world in
heartache and disbelief, it'sbecause your soul is ready to
step into the mission you camehere to complete.
You have soul level awarenessand skills to develop and soul
level people to meet.
You didn't sign up to do thisalone.
If you're ready to soul levelyour life, you're going to need

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to work on your clarity, courageand trust muscles.
I'm your guide, sylvia Beatriz,psychic channel, intuition
coach and soul level mama of twounder 10.
This world is ready for a newway.
This world is ready for you.
Welcome to Soul Level Human.
Today's guest is none otherthan my business coach, james

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Wedmore.
If you haven't heard of Jamesyet, that's okay.
I hadn't either.
About a year ago, I binged hisMind your Business podcast when
I found him.
It was so awesome because one,he talks all about spirituality
and intuition and business,which you know I love and two,
his episodes feature someincredible digital CEO success

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stories from all kinds of people, like moms who make six figures
, teaching, meal planning orbudgeting, to a photographer
whose business by designsupported her family while she
underwent chemo.
Her story is incredible.
Actually, I'm going to put allof these podcast episodes in the
show notes for you to check outlater.
But I mean, there's teachers,there's coaches, there's doctors

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and all of these real storiesof real people really help our
left brain start to believe andaccept the idea that success is
inevitable for anybody who'swilling to implement the 3D
strategy and 5D tools.
If you've been listening to theshow, you know that I'm a
business by design partner andthat's a responsibility that I

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take extremely seriously.
James and I have incrediblyaligned missions.
He walks the talk and how heshows up and the life he's built
.
Every single experience I'vehad with him personally and his
incredible team shout out, team,wedmore, you're amazing has
been level 10 integrity, toptier communication and

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generosity, and that extends tohow he runs his business.
James is offering three days oflive training completely free,
called the Rise of the DigitalCEO, and it starts on June 6th,
that's, if you're listening tothis, on the same day it comes
out.
If you don't know what youcould possibly offer, if you
don't know who your audience is,if you don't have a very big

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social following and you'restarting from scratch, it
doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter where you are.
You will get a ton of valuefrom this, and me too,
beginner's mind.
I'm going to be going throughthe rise again this year and if
you would like to join me for astudy buddy group, email me and
we'll get it going totally forfree.
Let's hang out, let's gothrough the training together

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and we will learn everything wecan together, from bending
spoons in a room of 1000 peoplefrom around the world at BBD
live this last December tohanging out in Sedona together
in April to having him on mypodcast to share with you today.
Without further ado, let'sstart the episode.
James Wedmore, so excited towelcome you to Soul Level Human,

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thanks for being here.
I want to start with yourjourney.
You talk about spirituality andyou talk about business, but I
know that spirituality hasn'talways been like your MO.
Where did you come from?
How did you arrive at all ofthis stuff?

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, so I.
It was always in my, my blood,ever since I was a little kid,
that I was an entrepreneur,right.
So I was starting businessesfrom a young age, always had
ideas, always working onsomething like literally like
the lemonade stand.
When you're seven I got paid towater all the neighbors gardens
growing up and I would pluckthe fruit and then sell it to
the other neighbors, Like Ialways had something that I was

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doing and I and I just that wasin me.
I was.
I was in high school, I wasflipping and restoring vintage
motorcycles and selling it oneBay.
I was always doing something.
And you go to college, get thedegree, realize I didn't want to
go any corporate route and Iwas like this is what I've been
doing since I was a little kid,Let me start my own business.
And I found myself really,really struggling.

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It was actually four and a halfyears of exhausting the 3D,
which was this operating systemthat I created of.
If I work the hardest and Iwork the longest, then I will be
successful.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
A plus B equals C super linear.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Right, just work harder than anybody else and
you'll be successful.
And long story short, I endedup getting addicted to Adderall,
which is like speed, which Iended up dropping like 70.
I looked like a skeleton.
I was working 12 to 14 hours aday, seven days a week.
I had to move back home with mymom and dad because I wasn't
making a dollar.
You know, my girlfriend at thetime broke up with me.

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All my friends didn't wantanything to do with me and I
found myself in a really lowpoint and that was really hard
because the desire was stillthere.
I had the dream and I was likeI'm putting in the work and I
don't get it.
But it's really interestingbecause we learn so much from
our parents.
So I had that was my dad, youknow he was the hardworking real
estate agent.
But I also had my mom and mysister and I was kind of like

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being the dude, you know thelogical, cerebral, left brain
kind of dude.
What they were doing justseemed like fairies in La La
Land manifesting and energy andgetting readings and buying
crystal, and I would just likemake fun of all that.
And you kind of get to such alow point where, like you want
it so bad and you've been doingthis for so long and it's not

(06:17):
working.
You're like, what do I got tolose at this point?
And slowly they started openingme up.
I think the first was a book mymom got me.
It was Abraham Hicks and it wasasking it as given.
First time she gave it to me Ithrow the book in the trash.
You know, it's just like don'tgive me this garbage.
Like this is just ridiculous.
So I was very staunchly againstall of that Right, and you know

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, little by little I opened upto it and I really treated it
like a science experiment in mylife.
The more I leaned into thespiritual aspect and integrated
that into my life, everything Itouched just turned to gold,
like everything started working.
And so there became a pointwhere, like I can't, I can't
ignore that anymore and I justkept, you know, following that,
and you know, the short premiseis like the more you grow, the

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more your, more your businessgrows, and and I chose a path of
spirituality as a, as a way forme to grow within myself and I
think that is so much ofspirituality is.
You know, people might havesome preconceived notions, but
like I look at so much of it isjust like it's just us growing
because we are spiritual.
So it's like allowing more ofyour truer self to come through

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and shedding layers of of of theego, the aspects of ourselves
that don't don't serve us.
And the more you let that comethrough, the more at least my
experience has been like, themore your life just seems to
have a congruency, a workabilityand a and a flow.
And so you know, I just didn't,I didn't stop, I was like I'm,

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I dove in, you know, the deepend.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
And I built a business.
You drank the Kool-Aid Welcome.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
I drank the Kool-Aid and I ended up building a
business and I've, all of asudden, I found myself making
over $2 million a year.
I even went and saw a reader atthe time and she goes oh,
you've broken the generationalcurse of poverty in your family.
And I knew exactly what she was, what she was talking about,
and I think a lot of people aredoing that in this time.
They're kind of breaking thesecurses and paradigms of their

(08:14):
lineage and realizing we're in acompletely different world.
Times are changing soincredibly fast and people are
changing.
And and what I did was I had apassion I still do, because I
went to film school so I hadthis passion for video.
So I built a business on theinternet making videos and
teaching video, and it was somuch fun and obviously very

(08:35):
lucrative and successful.
But as time continued toprogress, this subtle thought
that turned into this naggingnudge was just like pulling at
me, which is like you're, you'rehelping people with video, but
that's not the biggest thingthat's helped you.
And so I'm sitting here sayinglike, hey, video is going to
help you, Video is going to helpyour business, and obviously

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it's a tool, but at the end ofthe day.
What was helping me was allthat spiritual stuff, all that
growth that I was having, and soI just said you know, I'm going
to just start a podcast and I'mjust going to start talking
about this stuff and it and itreally took off and people
really started.
And well, actually, at first itdidn't.
If I'm being really honest, Ihad an email list at the time of
170,000 email subscribers.

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I had so many unsubscribes thatI was left with less than
30,000 people.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
I got.
How did that impact you at thattime?

Speaker 2 (09:24):
I didn't care, I just it was weird, like talk about
the intuition piece, like I justknew I was like it doesn't
matter, this is where I'm going.
Change is inevitable, obviously, and when changes occur,
there's these transitory periodsof time where to be not to
sound too cliche where, like,one door is closing, the other
is opening and so often where wehold ourselves and our

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attention is on the door that'sclosing.
And so when that's where yourattention is, you see what's
going out the window, you seewhat you're losing, you see what
you no longer have, and thatputs us and hooks us into more.
You know fear and scarcity andlack, and I just I just didn't
go there, I just was like no, Iknow this is what I'm supposed
to do and I just I just keptgoing.
There was this moment of timewhere like, oh my gosh, like

(10:08):
Sylvia, I'm getting negativereviews, like this guy's lost it
.
He's crazy.
I mean like, just like gettingjust barraged.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
He's changed.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
But here's the funny thing it was the comments I was
getting was me, it was old, meit was the skeptical closed mind
, logical me, and so I had a lot, and I still, to this day, I
have a lot of compassion forthat, and I think that's
something that I really honorand cherish in the work that I

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do is that opening my heart toallow more spirituality into my
life has had a tremendous impactin every area, not just
business.
When a lot of people come towork with me, they come to work
with me to be their businesscoach, and so a lot of them are
very rooted in the 3D and solelyin the 3D, and so they have a
lot of skepticism,closed-mindedness, a lot of

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density, and I have nothing butcompassion to understand,
because I'm like, oh, that wasme too, and I think part of the
beautiful journey for a lot ofdensity, and I have nothing but
compassion and understandingbecause I'm like, oh, that was
me too, and I think part of thebeautiful journey for a lot of
people is making that transitionand it takes a lot of courage.
It takes a lot of faith and alot of openness, because the
conversations that we're havingare so intangible.
It's this subtle energy that,especially when it's new for you

(11:20):
, you're kind of like I'm justmaking this up in my head, this
thought or this vision?
Did I just make that up?
And to trust that and to trustin yourself and to trust in what
you're receiving and to trustin something that you cannot see
is such an impressive feat ofcourage.
First off, I have so muchcompassion and it's always a joy

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if I could play that role.
To open that door for somebodyand I see that that's what I do
for a lot of business owners islike bringing that into
something that's a very 3D game,makes it a lot more fun.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
I find that spirituality is a relationship.
It's the relationship toyourself, it's the relationship
to the universe, to the cosmos,to the world around you.
And I find that withinrelationships it takes
vulnerability to open yourselfup to a new possibility and over
time you're able to build asense of trust, because I don't

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believe in blind faith, I don'tbelieve in throwing critical
thinking out the window.
My dad's a math professor.
He's a mathematician.
I have a very logical brain andI've always been intuitive as
well.
So I find, just like you, I canspeak to both sides of the
equation and that's kind of mysuperpower, because I can make

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sense of both sides of it andbring it all together in a way
that's healthy, that's ethical,that's reasonable.
And with us thinking aboutthings in that logical sort of
way, I find that it's even morepowerful, because then you coax
and welcome the left brain sothat it's on board fully, so
that it's not like tripping youup.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
It needs to be satiated, like it really needs
that, and I needed that.
And so that just was somethingI cultivated over time and and I
needed that, and so that justwas something you, I cultivated
over time, like a muscle, youknow.
And so today I think thebiggest thing is it's like about
fostering an awareness, andtoday I know that there's no
such thing as a as a coincidence.

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So when things are happeningand you're more present, you can
perceive more and not justtalking like, oh, I had a vision
, or whatever, but like you know, the animal that tapped on your
window this morning and thenumbers that you're noticing on
the clock, and the book that gotrecommended three times by
three different people in thelast three days and you just

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start to pay attention to thatmore and you realize that, like
all these little signs andnudges are guiding you and
supporting you and, and it'slike it's just our free will
choice to see, am I going to a?
Am I going to?
Am I going to notice thosethings, cause they're always
there.
We're just like oblivious to itmost of the time, and then am I
going to act on those things,and the more I've just trained

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myself to do those two thingsit's been such a gift is like
notice more.
And to do those two things it'sbeen such a gift is like notice
more and and it's like it'salways discovering more, like
there's just something,something you you wouldn't even
notice.
You know it's like you can gooutside and you didn't even
notice there's a bird chirpingat you for five minutes.
You know, and cause you'rethinking about what you got to
do once you're finished going onyour walk and going back to
work.
And I got to them, am Ilearning from those?
And that's been really, youknow, beautiful for me.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
That's so cool.
I similar to you.
I don't believe in mistakes orcoincidences.
I believe in learningopportunities that the universe
just drops in our lap, and I'mwondering if you have any
stories that can speak to that.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Gosh, I have so many.
I years ago I was promoting aprogram of a friend of mine and
it was when I was the YouTubeguy and this was a business
program and it totally tankedand I was like really
disappointed and I called my nowmy significant other, jen, who
you know and she was also.
She was someone who reallyassisted me in like opening up

(15:02):
spiritually because she's apsychic and she's like crazy
gifted.
So I called her looking forguidance and like one of the
first things, when I told herthat it tanked, I said, just
like organically, totallyorganic, I'm like I knew this
was going to, was going to fail,like well, that's, that's
evidence right there that you'reintuitive.
That's evidence right therethat you're intuitive.

(15:23):
And that's the first piece.
First off is like there's somuch of a gift in that too, just
to have that there's so manylittle stories that she and I
both have today of like oh, makesure to bring this or don't do
that when you leave the house.
You know, and you're likesometimes you listen, sometimes
you don't, but here's what'sinteresting it didn't do well,

(15:43):
but I then went the step furtherto find out why.
Number one thing people told meis they're like we don't, we
don't want to learn from thatperson, we want to learn from
you.
And in the next moment I saidoh, maybe I should create my own
thing.
And that's, that's how Icreated business by design,
which is literally having a hotflash right now.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
That's incredible.
If you wouldn't have quoteunquote failed in that moment,
then maybe you wouldn't havegotten the breadcrumb that led
you to starting everything youdo now.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Again, like if you just put like the everything in
context, like I was doing, justfine, I had a multi seven figure
business teaching YouTube andvideo.
And here's this person that waslike I have this business and
marketing course and it was abig high ticket program, and I
was like, oh, I don't teach that, but people may need it, so I'd
like to recommend that.
And if that would have done so,if that would have done like

(16:35):
half a million dollars, Iwouldn't have said, okay, I'm
gonna go do this myself Now.
I would have said that'samazing, let's do that again.
Just like you said before, likemistakes and coincidences,
right, like that was what Ineeded to have occur to me to
put me on a deeper path, or thenext evolution of the work that

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I was already doing.
And I don't prescribe to likethe reckless, untrained
intuition, this dramatic flareof intuition.
I had a thought I'm just goingto be reckless.
However, I could imagine thatpeople on the outside looking in
could perceive it that way, ifthat makes sense, because it
still goes beyond logic andreason.

(17:17):
And we do a segment on my showand it's a case study from one
of our successful students everyweek and I have done these
interviews and now Jen doesthese interviews for five years.
So this is just like maybe 100or two that we've done.
And the most common thing that Ihear from people and these are
all people that have hadsignificant success the most
common thing they all sayuniversally it's so fascinating,

(17:40):
it's not prompted, I don't askfor it, they all just say it
organically.
They say you know, james, atone point I just knew, I just
knew this was going to work.
I just knew that this was goingto be the right.
I just knew this is what I wasmeant to do.
And I, I just know myself,little by little.
We have to find that knowingagain within ourselves and and

(18:02):
not lose that and trust that Onthe outside, someone else
looking in, because it's like,oh, this is just reckless
abandonment or oh, you're justtrusting yourself.
But when you know, you know andthere's something that's just
so beautiful because I thinkmost people have at some point
in their life they stop trustingthemselves.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Definitely.
I mean our family and society.
We all just deprogram ourselvesfrom ourselves, and that's such
a natural evolution of what itmeans to be a human.
So what I find so interestingabout the timing of all of this
I mean, you look around, theworld is on fire, literally
right, and I'd love your take onthis.
Actually, I've been talking tomy guides, as per usual, and

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what they've said abouteverything going on is that it's
a mass awakening of the heart.
All souls are in service ofactivating our own power.
In the 3D, power equals moneyand in the 5D, power equals
energy.
So we need heart-centered,heart-led people who want to

(19:05):
step into that power, both 3Dand 5D, so that we can
accelerate change in the worldand do the job that we came here
to do.
What's your take on all this?

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Yeah, you know, I've had the fortunate opportunity I
met and started working with areal shaman back in 2015.
And he lives out in Sedona,arizona, with me.
He's like my neighbors, it'slike kind of right down the
street.
He didn't like go to a shamanschool and get a certificate.
He was born into this lineagefrom a tribe from Mexico and he

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was trained up from a young ageof like 12 years old.
Know he shares a lot with what'sgoing on and, yeah, it's, the
world is that is on fire and andyou know, and not for anybody
to get in fear, because it's theopposite, it's going to get
worse.
I mean it's.
I mean you just look at thetrajectory it's going to get.
It's going to get bumpier andyou know, the first piece with

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that is consider the possibilitythat us being alive at this
time, we chose to be aliveduring this time.
We chose to be alive duringthis time and we chose to be
here during this time and a lotof the people that are kind of
like more waking up to thingsaround them tend to be the older
souls and a lot of that chaosand stuff is congruent with the

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massive shifts that are takingplace on the planet, with people
and what I know on a personallevel and I'm sure I could just
say this very simply and mostpeople would resonate that if
you look back and recapitulateon your own personal life, the
challenges as unfortunate asthey've been that you've gone
through in your life tend to bewhere you see the most growth,

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tends to be where you learn themost, and with this, you know
rising in consciousness,awakening, you know, shifts,
whatever you want to call it.
Unfortunately, like it'sthrough pain and problems and
challenges that we tend to bewired for the most growth.
You know we pay attention whenthere's a problem.

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We pay attention when things gobad, and I was actually just,
in the business sense of things,talking to a client yesterday.
This is a microcosm example ofwhat's going on.
I've worked with them for acouple of years, right, and I
saw a pattern of behavior thatwas like uh-oh, red flags, this
is not good.
So the writing was on the walland I'm trying to offer my

(21:28):
coaching, I'm trying to offer myadvice, and it wasn't really
received.
That's okay.
But then recently they hit abrick wall with some big
problems and all of a suddenthey're paying attention and
they're listening, and so itbrings truth to this little
axiom or concept quote of firstGod throws a pebble, then a rock

(21:49):
.
If you're still not listening,you get the boulder and most of
us.
As hard as it is to accept it.
Pain is a blessing because itreally forces us to pay
attention to something that wehave not been paying attention
to.
So there's the most massiveopportunity for growth right now
with all of us as humanity andcollectively, and obviously you

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can imagine growth can be reallypainful.
It doesn't have to be aspainful as we make it.
It doesn't have to be as messyas we make it.
The term that my shaman uses,which I love, is called the
shamanic death, and the best wayI can describe that is you know
, you've already invited.
It's like you've ordered fromAmazon more growth.
You know I'm ordering a betterfuture.

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I'm saying yes to somethingbigger, better, brighter out
there, and so it's like, okay,but in order to do that,
something's got to go right, andthis whole concept of letting
go to let in is so true.
And so, as we say yes toourselves, we can have these
experiences of the shamanicdeath or a lot of people call it

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the ego death where it reallyfeels like everything around you
is falling apart, yeah, andyou're like what the fuck, right
?
And everything is just fallingapart and you're freaking out
and losing it, and it becomes sopainful for us.
But a lot of the pain in thatis in the holding on of the very
thing that we're trying to letgo, and or the higher aspect of

(23:17):
ourselves is trying to let go.
So the pain is in the like, butI still got to do it this way,
this is the way, and it's likeit's no longer serving me.
And then there's this momentwhere you get it.
You get the lesson, you get theinsight, you realize something
about yourself that you didn'trealize before, and on the other
side of that and this issomething he told me he says you

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know, I never want anybody togo through these shamanic deaths
because they're really painful,but the growth that you have on
the other side of that, thatcatapults you, is unbelievable,
and so I think, if I share this,it's probably fair to say most
people have had at least oneexperience like that in their
life, and so then you canimagine like we're doing that
kind of collectively.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
On a collective yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
On a big, big level and that's going to continue to
happen.
And you're seeing that and youknow, I think the advice I would
really pass on there is like,first of all, see it for what it
is.
And number two, like you got toget out of your stuff, your
fear and your ego and all ofthat.
And unfortunately, you know,when you're in business, we have

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social media, but use it, don'tlet it use you, because you can
go on there and you can getsucked in and pulled down by all
of it.
You know, and people can be sonasty right now and we want to
do our best to rise above that.
You know getting into your fearor anger isn't helping anybody.
Above that, you know gettinginto your fear or anger isn't
isn't helping anybody.
And so something he said thatwas maybe you've heard versions

(24:44):
of this, but as we go throughthis transition, this, this
Ascension, we only need 1% ofpeople to really like awaken, if
you will, on the planet andthat causes a ripple effect for
the rest of the collective.
And so there, was.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
I'm here for it.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, exactly Exactly .
It's like be that 1%, and Ithink it was a book, but it was
also a study.
The 100th monkey effect haveyou ever heard of that?

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Tell me more.
That just sparked something.
Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
So the and I'm going to botch the details, but the
general concept is there.
So the hundredth monkey effectwas they were studying the
habits and behaviors of a groupof monkeys I want to say I can't
remember papa new guinea maybeand they taught the monkeys.
They taught a monkey or a groupof monkeys how to wash the
potatoes in the river, once theyfall and land in the mud, and

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they noticed that they wouldteach the monkeys how to do that
and then the monkeys wouldteach the other monkeys and all
of a sudden all the monkeys inthis little family are now
washing the potato in the riverwhen they weren't doing that
before.
That's not the interesting part.
Then they go to the other sideof the island and the monkeys
over there are suddenly doingthe same thing.
And it's this phenomenon of thetipping point and it really

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creates an implication of a, ofa interconnectedness of
consciousness, so that all of asudden it was because it was
active in enough of the DNA andconsciousness of this group of
monkeys.
It automatically became aknowing in another group.
And when I first heard aboutthat, that always stood with me
as such a powerful example andmetaphor, because it's very easy

(26:22):
for us to think that what we dodoesn't matter, what we say,
how we treat somebody elsedoesn't matter.
By the way, side note, I wastripping out about this because
if you ever want to just have atrippy experience, let's trip go
.
Watch NDE videos on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
My favorite thing.
I love it.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Greatest hobby pastime you could ever, and I
was watching one last night.
So these are.
These are people sharing theirexperience of crossing over and
coming back, and one of the mostcommon things they talk about
is a life review that they have.
And it's like this 360 degree,all at once life review where
they are shown and reviewedtheir life experiences, usually

(27:02):
from the perspective of thepeople that interacted with you.
So you like, relive your lifefrom the recipient receiver yes,
Receiver of who you interactedwith.
And this woman was sharing thisbeautiful life review and she
was young when she I mean, shemust've been in her mid twenties
when she passed and then cameback and the biggest thing she

(27:23):
had in the life review was thismessage of how much your
existence matters, how muchevery action, everything you say
, matters, and she was shown allthese.
It's so beautiful, like she wastearing up of, like the moment
she was just smiled at the storeclerk and how that made
somebody's day.
And she tells a story of one ofher relatives who was shunned

(27:47):
from the family because he wasan alcoholic and she still made
time to go get lunch with himonce a week, every week, and she
was shown how much that healedhim and helped him in his life.
And it's, it's so easy to seeso many problems and so much
anger and so much, so manypeople in their stuff and to
then go.
Well, you know what I can betoo.

(28:07):
You know it's like no one'sperfect and it's so easy to go
there and it was like.
But every moment in every day,you, you, have an opportunity to
, to touch somebody's life andmake a difference.
And you know, we're all human,we're all doing in this human
form, we're doing the best wecan, and no one's, no one's,
perfect and we all have our ownlessons.

(28:28):
But you know, when you keepthat in the back of your mind,
when that really becomes thecontext for your life, it really
encourages and perpetuates, uh,more kindness, more.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
And more resilience too, because I feel like your
focus is less on the ego.
It's just like no, you get tojust release the impact of all
of it and just set yourintention and know that you're
being used in this greatercontext.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Totally yeah.
That you can't even, your braincan't even comprehend, like the
ripple effect that that couldhave for somebody you know.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Oh, that actually totally got me Just the
simplicity of it and theuniversality of it right,
because we're all on thisjourney, we're all on this human
.
We've forgotten who we are.
We are in the weeds.
We're literally in the weeds,but if we're able to just pull
back and view ourselves, it'slike honey I shrunk the kids,

(29:13):
right If we can just get upthere and see, oh, wow, this is
how we're all connected, this ishow it all works, and it could
be so much easier.
And I feel like the thing thatyou were saying.
You put it in a way that itdoesn't have to be so hard, but
when it is hard, it's because weneeded that version of the
lesson and that's exactly it.

(29:34):
On the macro and the micro, wehaven't been listening.
The world is a shit showbecause we haven't done what we
needed to do at any opportunityand I feel like, unfortunately,
it had to get this loud in orderto impact the most people and
to get the most positive result.

(29:56):
On the other side of whateverthis thing is, I have a lot of
hope.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, side of whatever this thing is, I have a
lot of hope.
Yeah, I mean, most people Iknow right now are going through
something or have been goingthrough something you know,
really challenging, and you knowI went.
The hardest thing I wentthrough is, you know, like 2020
was such a significant fun year.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah, how was that for you?
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Well, you know it was , it was a zero and a 10.
So, yeah, because I yeah.
And the second thing startedgoing down, which is like end of
February I had already bought aplace to be an Airbnb out in
Sedona.
I was living out in Lagunabeach, california, southern
California, orange County, and Ijust said to my wife at the
time I said I think I'm justgoing to go to Sedona for a

(30:43):
little bit, maybe set up thisAirbnb, and I went out there and
I never left and this is whereI've been ever since.
I went through the wholepandemic in this extremely
powerful spiritual place that isSedona, where people have a lot
of profound experiences.
You know this was sacredceremonial land for the natives.
They didn't live here, this iswhere they came for ceremony and

(31:06):
so it's a really really um, the, the, the empaths and the very
sensitive people like feel stuffout here.
So I just happened to go outthere right as the whole world
was shutting down and it waslike the whole town, cause
there's only 10,000 people thatlive here, but there's like
anywhere from, they say, threeto six million tourists that
come a year.
So it was like me in the townby myself, and so it was a

(31:26):
beautiful gift in that, but whathappens to a lot of people is
and this is what's beenhappening with a lot of people
that I know is these shamanicdeaths.
And so, yeah, I found myself ina time where there was
challenges in my, my business,my marriage, I got served
divorce papers and and my dadwas passing, and all of this

(31:47):
happened in like one week.
You know, it's like the powerof three.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Hold on one week.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, it wasn't.
It was intense and and I hadthis like real emotional moment
where I broke down Cause it waskind of like this theme of like
the morning, like people in yourlife that you cared about,
leaving you, you know, and thatwas hard.
But, you know, going throughall of that and going through a

(32:13):
divorce and navigating that was,hands down, the hardest thing
I've gone through in this inthis lifetime.
It was really.
It was really tough and despitehow tough it was, I mean I
wouldn't want to go do it again.
Okay, so let's not, let's notrepeat that, but I wouldn't.
If I had the choice, I wouldn'tremove that from my memory
because within that challenge Ilearned so much, I gained so

(32:37):
much.
But what I'm also reallygrateful for, that I was really
surprised in, was that it gaveme so much to give to others and
the amount of people that I seetoday that are going through
something like challenges in arelationship or a divorce or
just like it feels like such abig shamanic death where their
whole life is falling apart, andI get to be that person that's

(32:58):
there for that person, like beenthere, done that and you're
going to make it through thisalive and you're going to be
okay Feels like the greatest.
You know.
Honor and privilege and I thinkthat just kind of circles like
what I was talking about beforein just another roundabout way,
which is when we can persevereand cultivate that resilience

(33:21):
and rise above, then we assistothers to do the same and we get
to be those like leaders oflight.
And to me I find that is likesuch an honor and it's unreal.
I had three people in one weekcall me that are close friends
and they're like I'm getting adivorce and that's not something
I would ever wish on anybody.
But I saw that as like you gothrough something Now you have

(33:44):
an opportunity to assist otherswith it.
And it's the same with mybusiness career.
I struggled for so long that I'mlike that's why I could help
others, and so I do find todayso much beauty.
I know it sounds so weird, butthere's just so much beauty in
the struggle.
There's so much good in thepain that we go through because

(34:04):
of who we become on the otherside and what we take with us
and the strength that we havebecause of that, and you can
just see it in somebody.
You can see someone who's green, there's like, ah, you kid, you
don't.
I mean no disrespect the24-year-old life coach that's
giving life advice.
It's like, kid, you haven'tbeen through anything yet.
Versus someone who's likeclosing to retirement age and

(34:25):
they're in some shit.
And you're like, wow, you know,there's a spiritual concept
that I'm sure you're aware ofwhich is that we choose
everything when we come intothis life.
You know, we've heard thingslike that's a hard pill to
swallow, very hard pill.
Here's my theory on this.
If you ever have an experiencein your life that's really
difficult and uncomfortable andyou choose it.
If you go like I choose to gothrough this, I accept this it's

(34:48):
unbelievable what starts tohappen when you choose the bad
that you're already experiencingand so I also tell you know my
students and listeners on mypodcast to the degree in which
you accept what is is the is thedegree in which you have the
power to do something about it.
So, the moment you're goingthrough something right now, if
you can think of anything, itdoesn't have to be something big

(35:10):
, but like the, the challenge ofthe week, the problem of the
day, right, you choose it.
Like I accept this, I choosethis.
It's like you're realigningback with your higher self or
your soul, and remindingyourself that, yeah, of the
truth, like I chose this and Imust.
If I chose this, I must havechosen it, for for a reason as
painful as this is, and it's,it's unbelievable that something

(35:32):
powerful happens, becausewhat's the opposite, what's the
opposite of choosing, isrejecting.
So rejection is an aisle ofwhat is.
It's a resistance of what is.
It's a pushing away of reality,and if you push away what is,
you give your power away.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
So much more painful.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
So much more painful because now it has power over
you, and so I just find that so,so you can sit there listening
and go.
I don't really believe that.
I don't really believe we choseall this and that's totally
fine.
Don't believe anything.
Try it and just try choosingand saying yes to the battle

(36:09):
that you are facing right now,Not from a place of, like I love
it and I want more pain, traumain my life, no, from just a
neutral acceptance of it.
This is happening, this is thisis happening.
I choose this consciously.
I accept what is occurring inmy life and most people and I've

(36:31):
done this with people like juston coaching calls and
conversations and it's like thispower comes, personal power,
comes flooding back to them andthen it's like they were just
giving their power to it.
Which Einstein's famous quoteright you can't solve a problem
from the same level ofconsciousness that created it.
So we keep calling it anddeclaring it and manifesting it

(36:54):
a problem.
It keeps remaining a problem,and I had to do that.
My divorce took two years andseven months, so I had to do
that every mother effing day.
I had to get up every day andchoose this and accept this,
because I'm trying to run abusiness and you know, keep
everything afloat.
And you've got all these thingspulling on you and taking you

(37:16):
and like threatening everything.
And then you got you know yourdad is passing.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
It was just like threatening everything, and then
you got you know your dad ispassing, it was just like how
did you get through it?
What did you do?
How?
How do you show up?

Speaker 2 (37:30):
for life and say yes to all of that all at the same
time?
Yeah, great question.
So I was actually really.
I mean, I'm not going to eversay anything personal because
I'm.
I would never.
There's a code of conduct inwhich I live my life, so I would
never.
I could never say anythingdisparaging or bad you know
about anyone.
But I would assume my ex wouldagree that, like, yeah, it was
the right decision.
You know, I was really proud ofmyself first, that when you go

(37:52):
through a divorce, there can bea lot of money, a lot of lawyers
and all that stuff at stake.
And there are people that wouldstay in a marriage because they
don't want the cost, theexpense.
And I could have done that.
I could have said, even thoughwe shouldn't be together and
we're not happy together andwe're not in love, I don't want
to go through that pain of adivorce because of the cost.

(38:13):
And I did not do that.
And so the first lesson I chose, the first choice I made,
because we are here in thehaving this free will and we
make these choices, and withevery choice comes the
consequence, right, cause andeffect.
And I chose love over money andI I'm really I'm really proud

(38:34):
of myself because a youngerversion of me that was more
business.
You know, young dude wanting toaccomplish and make money and
strive and be successful wouldhave never made that choice and
that was a huge lesson in storyfor me.
So if we want to get into thetheme of love here, I started
dating this girl the second time.

(38:54):
First time didn't work out.
Second time we start dating inmy mid twenties and I was
starting my business at the time.
So I'm like really businessfocused and I wasn't into this
spiritual stuff at all and she'sjust pouring unconditional love
into me and I had a really hardtime with that.
My heart was very closed off atthe time and it was too much for
me and I literally at 26 yearsold, as a male, I was like I

(39:18):
don't really, I just want abusiness.
Like I don't really, I justwant a business, like I don't
need this and I pushed it awayand I pushed her away and I had
resigned myself to being likelove really isn't that important
.
And so you know, long storyshort, I marry somebody else to
teach me about love, and thebest way to teach somebody about
the importance of something,like if I wanted to teach you
the importance of oxygen, I'dput you under water, like if I

(39:40):
wanted to teach you theimportance of oxygen.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
I'd put you under water, Take it away real quick,
exactly.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
And so for me to reach that place to see
something that was so importantto me that I had closed myself
off of was something I wasreally, really proud of.
Well, that person that I datedand pushed away is Jen, who I'm
with today, and that's a 20-yearrelationship in the making.
So I learned my lesson in that,and so the first answer to that

(40:03):
question for me was and there'sa lot of answers because I had
to go to a lot of placesobviously, if I said, if all I
do is learn this lesson andchoose love over money, then
everything must be congruentwith that, and I will have love
on the other side of this, evenif I don't have any money,
because there was a moment intime, if we're getting down to
it, where a forensic CPA, youknow, working with the attorney,

(40:24):
says, well, just be prepared,you know you might need to pay
out like $16 million.
I'm like what, huh, I don't have$16 million?
Right?
Like divorces get expensive,you know, because you have a
business.
So there's like theimplications of what is the
perceived value and they'regoing to argue this and it's
like, oh, my goodness, I had toaccept that the 17 years because

(40:45):
I've been doing this for 17years now of business that I've
worked at, I would have to startover, but I would have what's
more important, which is love,and I had to just continue to
choose that every day, remindmyself that that was the right
choice and that once you make achoice that you know is the
right choice, you don't doubt it, you don't look back, you don't

(41:05):
hesitate, you just keep goingforward.
The next piece of this, sylvia,was understanding, and this
will really help people,especially that are spiritually
minded people in business,because fear is something we all
get to do a dance with.
Right, everyone's going to havetheir fear right.
You don't get out of this lifealive without having your battle
with fear.
And when you start a businessor a venture or a project, the

(41:30):
first big fear that arises formost people is what if this
doesn't work right?
Well, this had worked.
But when it does work forsomebody, they think the fear
just goes away.
No, it just gets replaced, andit was replaced for me with what
if this doesn't last?
And that's where a lot ofpeople that have had any type of
success now have is like whatif this is just a fluke?
It's just a matter of timebefore the other shoe falls, and

(41:53):
I was doing that for a reallylong time.
So here's the good news Whereveryou are, in your business or in
your life, everything that youhave and everything you've
created it is a fact that youcreated that from nothing.
You created that from thispowerful place of of nothing,
and what I also know to be trueis that which you have created
up until this point.
You now know how to do.

(42:14):
That's within you, like as afrequency.
You know how to hold thatfrequency, which means, no
matter what happens in life, youcan always get back to that
frequency, always.
So it was those two things werethe biggest things, which is,
I've made the right decision.
I'm choosing love over money,which is always more important.
We know, we need to know thatright.
I was right and I said whateverdoes happen, whatever does

(42:37):
occur, if I have to go, like youknow, sell everything and just
start over, it's going to betemporary, because I created all
of this from zero.
Therefore, I can do it again,and I would do it like that,
like in an instant, and that Ihad to just train myself and
remind myself of that everysingle day.
And then the last piece was likeI had to work through any anger

(42:59):
and resentment that I had.
I love the Buddhist quote ofanger is swallowing poison and
hoping the other person diesfirst, and I was like I don't
want that anger within me.
So there was a lot of purging,there was a lot of feel it and
let it go.
Yeah, I'm angry, oh man, thishappened, and that pissed me off
, just like all right, feel itand then just let it go through

(43:21):
you.
I really do believe that themost important thing for all of
us is our wellbeing and that'sour physical, mental and
emotional health, and for us tostay in that and find yourselves
in that.
It should be our number onepriority, because you can't give
to others what you don't havewithin yourself.
And so I had to prioritize thatand I was like I'm not going to
take myself down, I'm not goingto wallow in that.

(43:43):
I'm going to work on myself,I'm going to heal from that, I'm
going to process and I'm goingto feel what I need to feel and
I'm going to work through thatinstead of just sticking it.
Stay in it for two and a halfyears.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
I mean it's a choice that you have always, but the
consequences of that choice Imean whoa.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Yeah, I know.
So, yeah, that was, that wasdefinitely a journey and I
wouldn't I wouldn't trade it foranything in the world because
it was.
It was such a gift for me and Ilearned a lot, I grew a lot,
tremendously, and now today Ican I can help people with that
as well, you know.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Well, that's my next question.
So if you bring to mind 2019,james and you now and all the
shit that happened in between,what would you even say to that
guy?

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Well, buckle up, don't worry, it'll all be over
soon.
Good luck, don't worry, it'llall be over soon.
Like, just just hold on tight,you know, because, like talk
about so I get a lot of, youknow, messages through animal
medicine, and so somethingstarted happening to me in 2019.

(44:52):
So I started going through likemy awakening and, don't get me
wrong, like I have a lot of myawakening to progress.
Okay, I'm just saying I'm alittle bit more.
I've cultivated a little bitmore.
I've cultivated a little bitmore of awareness today than I
did five years ago.
But I come home from work, myoffice, and I come home and this
is in my house in Laguna in2019.
And there's a roadrunner on myproperty and I go oh my gosh,

(45:15):
I've never seen a roadrunner.
And then the next day, the sametime, in the exact same
location, I see a coyote.
And when you start diving in tothe messages and the medicine
of those two animals, I have tostop you right there.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
This is in Laguna that this happened.
Huh yeah.
This whole time I've heard thisstory, but this whole time I'm
picturing you in the desert.
These are desert animals.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
I know and I've never seen another roadrunner in
Laguna ever since then WhoaSedona was calling you.
I know.
So the roadrunner, first of allits feet, makes like a, an X.
So it's kind of like X marksthe spot.
It's like this is the target,it symbolizes good fortune.
It's kind of like come on,follow the, follow the white

(46:02):
rabbit.
You know, it's kind of likethat.
And then the coyote isobviously, you know, like the
Looney Tunes.
Wiley coyote is like chasingthe, the, the roadrunner Right.
And so it was the start of apath.
And I started to have my firstbig, shamanic death around that
same time.
And what had happened isimagine 15 or 14, however many

(46:23):
years have been 14, 13 years ofrunning this business, and it
was like my whole identity, itwas like my whole purpose, it
was my whole life.
In fact, it did so well for mylife that it made it easy to
cope with a marriage that wasn'tworking, because, as a guy
especially, I could just likeput this in a little box over

(46:44):
here.
I'm not going to worry aboutthat, we'll just go back to work
right, because everythingthat's a value is like a cup
that you know what's importantto you and then I'm getting all
my cups filled from work.
So you're getting fulfillment,you're getting success and
achievement, there's fun,there's creativity, like,
there's impact, like there'sjust, it's amazing, right.

(47:04):
So it was like didn't matter ifthis one little area in my life
doesn't work.
That's such bullshit, that'ssuch a, that's such a nonsense.
It's like having a car and like, or a motorcycle and one of the
spokes is broken, but you'relike, ah, screw it, let's go
faster, make it work.
Yeah, we're going to crash,right.
So that's what was starting tohappen.

(47:26):
Here's what was reallyinteresting, at least for me.
I don't know if this isinteresting for your listeners,
but all of a sudden, I starthaving these, these scary
thoughts.
They started entering my mindand it was like questioning
everything.
And this is a very common thing.
I the amount of people I talkto that have started questioning
their entire existence, theirentire drives, why I'm doing
what I'm doing.
It doesn't matter anymore, Idon't care anymore, what's the

(47:54):
point of all of this?
And it's a very scary feelingwhen you've had a lot of success
because you had something tostand on that was really like
clear and powerful, if thismakes sense.
And all of a sudden it feelslike the floor just fell beneath
you and you're questioning whatyou're doing with your life,
and that's what startedhappening.
And that was very hard for me,because imagine, I got a team,
we've got bills and office andcustomers and all of a sudden

(48:14):
I'm waking up going what's thepoint of all of it and why am I
doing any of this?
Does that really matter?
And then I'm just freaking theF out about it.
So here's what really happenedis, if this makes sense to
anybody I don't know if it will,maybe it's just for me and you,
but up until that point, thisconcept of spirituality was a

(48:34):
tool that I was using to buildmy business.
If I learn how to be moreintuitive, it'll make better
business decisions.
That will make me more money.
Oh, if I learn how to manifest,then I'll make more money in my
business.
Right, and what was happeningis my entire world was being
flipped upside down.
The target was no longerbusiness success and

(48:56):
spirituality as a way to it.
The new target was the paththat you're walking, a spiritual
path of your own decision andcommitment to grow, and the
business becomes a tool, forthat becomes one tool, just like
your relationship with yourspouse becomes a way in which
you integrate and learnspiritually with your kids, with

(49:18):
your job, with taking out thetrash and doing the dishes.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
It's all aspects of you leading yourself back to you
in the universe.
Oh my gosh, holy shit, that'sso big.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Fucking hard for me.
That was so scary because I wasso attached to all of that and
it showed me how much attachmentI had.
And I'm sitting here going like, if I bring more spirituality
into my life, does that mean Ihave to be a broke?
You know hippie monk livingmeditating in a cave and I was
so afraid of that, but at thesame time I'd actually just so

(49:52):
you have even more context 2019was my most successful year I'd
ever had.
Up until that point, I had gonebeyond all of my goals.
I had exceeded any vision, goalor manifestation I had ever
desired for myself, and so I waskind of in like a now what,
anyways?
And so that allowed me to belike but this is this thing.

(50:14):
That's always been.
What do I got to lose?
And I allowed that like wholeflip.
I mean it just like it feltlike my entire world just got
flipped upside down.
Because you know, this conceptof values is always really
important, like your values arewhat are important to you in
your life, and you have thesemilestones and these times in
your life where where yourvalues change, like the moment

(50:35):
you get married or have kids.
You know family love, you knowcommitment.
These things become more valuewhere it's just like in your 20s
maybe they weren't, you knowand it was like all of that
changed overnight and I had tokind of completely reorientate
my life around it and that wasreally hard.
Now I'm so, I'm glad I did itand the business continued to

(50:55):
grow and flourish.
But the best way I can describeit and again, I don't know if
this stuff makes sense toanybody but from the outside in
it looks like I'm doing the samething I was always doing, but
from the inside it's like butyou're totally different and
your life looks totallydifferent.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Okay, so, he.
What it made me think of whenyou're talking about all this
stuff is the the now, what, whatnext?
What does this all mean?
What is this all for?
That's like the the midlifecrisis, right we?
We have the vernacular speechthat describes this process.
Yeah, everybody you know, justokay.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Well, let's double down on the career.
Let's go out drinking.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Let's right, exactly so.
You could have done that, but Ifeel like the context of all of
the spiritual work that you'vedone before and the great pause
of 2020, it's like you're you'refaced with the only way is
through, and well props to you,sir, for taking that route,
because that wasn't easy, andI'm sure that you had several
things happening concurrently,even that you haven't mentioned,
like I think you mentioned thatyou had a remodel and that

(51:57):
there was a whole debacle with,like, the ceiling falling down,
some ridiculous things that youwent through and you could have,
at any point, said you knowwhat?
I'm full of shit.
This is crazy.
This is ridiculous.
I'm going to go buy my Porsche,right?

Speaker 2 (52:10):
You could have, yeah, yeah, and I think you just keep
like, okay.
When I went through those timesand other similar themes in my
life I'm a very visual person,so I don't know if other people
have this, but I had I alwayshad a visual in my mind of a
tunnel with a light at the otherend of it, and that's what it

(52:30):
really feels like.
And I think it's very easy forus to believe a distortion, that
when things are bad, this ishow it's going to a more
fatalistic, doomsday orientedfuture.
And it helped and served me toknow that again.

(52:52):
Accept and choose that.
This is painful, this is notpleasant, that's fine, and it's
temporary.
This, too, shall pass.
Every day.
It was like that light at theend was getting closer and
closer and it was just like youknow, hold hold and we'll get
through this.
And instead of going back youknow what I mean it's like, okay

(53:14):
, I started walking five steps,let's go back and retreat, and I
don't know, I've just neverdone that.
It's just like you just keepweathering the storm and you
come through the other side ofit instead of going back.
And I think that's where theshamanic death becomes really
hard for us is the unwillingnessto let go.

(53:35):
So if we can't let go of thething that showed up in our life
to teach us that we need to letit go, it gets bigger, it gets
louder, it takes longer, it'smore painful, and if we retreat
and go backwards and we'redefinitely holding on to it.
So I just kind of learnedquicker to let you know, let go.
That's still not easy.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
It's absolutely not easy.
Here's what I want to get to.
It sounds so nice and fluffy.
Yeah, yeah, you just releaseand surrender, you sit with the
lesson, you learn the lesson, itgoes faster.
What does that look like foryou?
Because you have a business,you have a team, you have a full
life.
Do you have daily practices, doyou?
Oh yeah, oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
So many, so many daily practices.
Gosh, where do I?
Where do I begin?
You know, working with with ashaman.
He's given us a tremendousamount of of, of practices, but
at the core of it is a practiceof finding yourself in silence,
and the more silence you cancultivate, and stillness of the

(54:38):
body, silence of the mind, themore present, the more in the
now that we are.
So that's the first one.
So you're noticing, whensomething's hard, it's gonna be
a lot harder when we're in ourthinking brain going past,
future, future, past, past, past, future, future, future.
What if this happens, thenthat's gonna happen to today,
and then we're in our fears andwe're in our worries and we're
feeding that and it just takesus the fuck down right.

(54:58):
First one, and the greatest onethat I'm always trying to
improve myself with is is thecultivation of, of silence.
Because he told us long ago,all the answers come in the
silence.
And, gosh, ain't that frickingtrue.
So trying to cultivate that asmuch as we can and bring that
into our lives is going toreally serve us.

(55:19):
Now you said something elsewhich you know very quickly,
which is really important, whichis you said something to the
effect of like we forget who weare.
So the other practice is thisconstant rumination and
recapitulation and just puttingour attention on our intention

(55:42):
to remember who we are truly,and one of the first times I met
him he said the James that youthink you are when you look in
the mirror is not who you reallyare.
In fact, that's just the pinkyof who you truly are.
It's the smallest who, and thisgoes for all of us.
The 3D aspect of yourself thatyou can see, that you can touch,

(56:07):
is the smallest and youngestaspect of who we really are.
And so then the questionbecomes who's driving the bus?
I thought things were importantthat weren't.
For example, if you were goingto lose a lot of money, why have
I made money so important?

(56:27):
Oh, what will people think?
What will friends and familythink?
Why is what other people thinkimportant?
It's not, it's not.
It's fine if you care whatother people think, but it's not
important.
And what someone thinks of youis not more important than how
you think about yourself.
Ever right, and I realized thethings that would have made this

(56:47):
harder were things that werenot important.
So if I've made theseunimportant things important,
then I'm giving my power away tothem I give my power.
If you give your power away tomoney, money has power over you
and sadly, we make money ourmaster and we.
We worship money and we make itour number one value and we

(57:08):
make it more important thananything else.
And I had done that in my, myyounger life.
And ironically with the moneyconcept is, the more you give
your power away to money, themore it can elude you.
So, like I learned long ago tocare about how I feel to be, you
know, tony Robbins says turnfrustration into fascination.
I think we should be fascinatedby all of our emotional states,
and so I would pay attention tohow I was feeling, especially

(57:31):
during this time, but every day,and I would get in touch with
that, and you know, you'veprobably heard those quotes or
thoughts that are, you know,thoughts mirror emotions, mirror
emotions, mirror thoughts.
So I would notice that maybe Iwas unconsciously not present,
not in silence, not in the nowand getting into an emotion, and
when I could recognize that I'dbecome more present.

(57:52):
Awareness cultivates presence,and I noticed that every single
time I was in a disempowering oruncomfortable emotional state,
it was because I was feeding athought and that thought,
anytime.
It was uncomfortable or adisempowerpowering emotion, was
a distortion, it was a lie, itwas not true.
It was something that I wasmaking important that wasn't.
And so, little by little, I waslike reclaiming my personal

(58:14):
power.
So why am I making what astranger thinks about me, or
this certain amount of moneythat it's going to cost, or why
am I making that so important?
And, little by little, like ifall this is making sense and
maybe it is, and maybe it's notfor people, and maybe it will
once you go through somethingchallenging, it was like I was
walking myself back to my centerand my equilibrium, and when

(58:37):
you're in your center, you're intruth.
So anytime I was not in that, Ihad to find myself coming back
to what is true, and I noticedthat anytime I felt in my center
was because I had more clarityclarity of what was true, what
is important and whatnot.
And I see a lot of people thatstruggle and suffer for a long

(58:58):
time because they are feeding orgiving their power away to
something that's actually nottrue.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
And often multiple things.
Multiple things All at the sametime, all the stories.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Yeah, this is a real.
I think this is one of the most.
I have a lot, but I think thisone has been a really powerful
tool for me and it's thisconcept and I don't know if
you've ever heard me talk aboutthis, but it's this concept that
our emotions become a barometerfor for truth or distortion.
And so we have free will and sowe can choose, you know, what

(59:32):
we want to think, what we wantto feel, what we want to say,
what we want to do, and wechoose our actions.
And you know.
Then we say, okay, there'sspirit or God, or source,
universe or higher self, soul,whatever words we want to use,
and all of that.
And we then have emotions thatwe could, that we could just
break into positive, goodfeeling emotions and like

(59:52):
uncomfortable, disempoweringemotions, like whatever you want
to label them.
It's just like you know,there's emotions that feel good,
like joy and and enthusiasm andexcitement and gratitude, and
there's ones like anger andfrustration and shame.
So we know some feel good, somefeel bad, and so if we break
them into those two categories,the concept is as simple as when
we choose free will to separateourselves from the perspective

(01:00:19):
of God or our higher self.
To the degree in which weseparate from that truth or
perspective is the degree inwhich we'll feel those
uncomfortable emotions andthere's a lot of people that
hear that for the first time andthey're like bullshit.
But every single time you tryit on, you notice that there's
some distortion, that we'rebelieving and even fear in so

(01:00:44):
many contexts.
Fear is choosing to believe insomething that you don't want to
have happen.
It's a unwanted future,something you don't want, that
you have decided this isprobably going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Yeah, and misuse of the imagination, right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Exactly so you're going.
I'm going to manifest thisthing I don't want and it feels
like shit.
And so, little by little, wehave the opportunity to learn
how to have mental mastery overour attention.
Because I do believe it's somuch mindset, because we are
electromagnetic beings, right,so our thoughts are electric,
our emotions are magnetic.
So at any moment we get to getinto the driver's seat and unsw,

(01:01:24):
switch, the autopilot switchand be intentional with where we
put our attention.
And one of the first things myshaman also said to me is you
are where your attention is.
So when you notice youremotional state, where has your
attention been?
What have you been feeding?
What have you been giving yourpower to?
You shift where you place yourattention.
You will shift everything.

(01:01:45):
You shift your energy, yourfrequency, your state, the
decisions that you end up making, your actions, et cetera.
So I continued to make that apriority for myself.
I continued to make thatsomething important as a
practice and that assisted metremendously.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Definitely, definitely.
I think that's the basis of anyspiritual practice is to
connect with the spiritual partof ourselves, the soul level
part of ourselves.
But then, how do you?
What is our responsibility then, as an empowered, connected,
aligned soul in the 3D?
How do we human from that place?

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
How do we human from that place?
I feel like that's such a bigquestion.
I mean, I can go in a lot, of,a lot of places.
You know, it's like everythingis the same but different.
You know, I'm still doing,still taking out the trash,
still, you know, doing doing theerrands and stuff.

(01:02:39):
There's a concept calledcontext or cognitive lens, and
it's like the goggles throughwhich you see life and I think
some people I don't know I'm nottrying to be judgy, but I think
spirituality has becomesomething really trendy and
really cool and kind of peoplewear it like a costume and so

(01:02:59):
they want to social signal thatlook at me, I'm spiritual and as
a really, in fact, spiritualego is one of the worst things
that we can develop.
And I think when peopleespecially in the beginning very
common, because one of the likecommon things people talk about
in spiritual conversations islike raising your frequency.

(01:03:20):
So if you're not careful anddon't understand what that means
, people think raising theirfrequency means raising
themselves above other people.
Like if you're not careful anddon't understand what that means
, people think raising theirfrequency means raising
themselves above other people.
Like now you're better than andthat's like the opposite, like
couldn't be further from fromthe truth and so how do I human
is like the humbleness of the,of the mundane and the and the

(01:03:42):
day-to-day from the outside andwhat's really different becomes
how you perceive all of that andthrough which lens you see it.
All you know, and I thinkthat's the beauty and I think
that's everything is.
It's ultimately everyone'sspiritual journey becomes this

(01:04:05):
intimate, internal.
You know personal experienceand and a lot of how you, how I
now see life becomes.
You know private to yourself,like if I notice a synchronicity
or you know, get a sense ofsomething or an intuition or a
hit.
It's yours and doesn't need tobe like broadcasted or turned

(01:04:29):
into a Halloween costume orsomething, but I don't know.
I think I've continued to finda day to day.
On the outside that sounds, itseems very similar If you were
observing me from the outside,like with a video camera.
But I think internally there'smore presence, so I'm more aware

(01:04:49):
as I go through my day.
There's more gratitudethroughout my day.
There's more of an intent oflike.
How do you spread kindness orbe your best for somebody else?
You know, like I said earlier,like having a context of like
wow for somebody else.
You know, like I said earlier,like having a context of like
wow, just your mere existencematters.

(01:05:13):
You know, and I think that'show I human.
Can you human from aperspective that is not human?
Can you see yourself from adifferent perspective than just
your 3D eyes?
you know, and even like here'sanother little practice, and I
did a podcast episode on this.
I don't know if you have like amorning routine I'm sure you do
but I have a really simple butreally powerful nightly routine

(01:05:36):
and the simplest version of itis a process of recapitulation
of the entire day, the review ofthe day, trying to see where
did I leak my personal power,when did I leak energy and can I
reclaim all of that and can Ideclare this day complete.
The basic metaphor that reallygrounds this for people is if

(01:05:59):
you go throughout your day witha backpack and things happen,
and every time something happenslike you stub your toe or get
some negative comment onInstagram or something it's like
putting a rock into thisbackpack and by the end of the
day you've had a few rocks andit's like it's getting heavier.
And if you could cultivate apractice where, no matter what
happened in that day, we takeoff the backpack and that day is

(01:06:21):
complete and that day is over,and not take that to sleep or
dream time with us, there's abeautiful completion of your day
in that.
You know what I mean.
So when I do like even just areview of the day, I can see
something in this differentperspective that I couldn't see
before and that has been likereally, really powerful, because

(01:06:42):
oftentimes we're just pickingup rocks, putting them in the
backpack.
Six months, a year later, we'relike gosh, this feels so heavy
and I'm so tired and why this?
And I'm so emotional.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Everything feels so hard.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Yeah, awesome, so real quick.
Thank you for that, because Ifeel like that's practical
advice that people can actuallytake home and implement.
I wanted to use these businessby design cards that I got in my
welcome box, and you could useanything as a divination tool,
which is so interesting and socool.

(01:07:17):
If you start to look at theworld from that spiritual
perspective, anything can be atool with which we communicate
with ourselves and with ourspirit side.
So, to that end, let's usethese.
Let's see what we come up with.
What's going to happen is youtell me when to stop shuffling

(01:07:38):
and we're going to pick out amessage for the collective and
I'll let you know what it is.
I'll show the camera and if youcould just give us a little
stop download insight on that.
Ha, anything is fucking possible.
Just in case you forgot.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
That's a good one.
Huh, that's a good one.
Anything is possible.
That is truth.
If you connect that with whatdo I want, then you're well on
your way.
Most people have a really hardtime answering that question
what do I want?
What do I want?
They'll tell you what theydon't want.
They'll tell you what they'resupposed to want, what's
expected.
They'll also tell you here'swhat I want.

(01:08:18):
That, I believe, is possible,but it's very rare for someone
to unfiltered, honestly andaccurately say this is actually
what I really want.
And if it's very rare forsomeone to unfiltered, honestly
and accurately say this isactually what I really want, and
if it's that honest, accurate,from within answer, that means
it's inevitable, it's apossibility.
It just means you'll have to dowhat it takes to get what you
want, and that becomes more ofthe deciding factor.

(01:08:41):
Anybody listening should neveragain doubt their dreams.
Is this really possible?
What you should be doubting isam I really willing to give what
it takes To bring this in, tomake this a reality?
And that's where the questionis.
Of course, it's possible.
That's not in question.
If you want it, it's, it'spossible.
But am I willing to do what ittakes and give what it takes.

(01:09:03):
So I look at it like this whenit comes to manifesting, I look
at it as there's a piece of itthat people don't really think
of, which is the thing that youwant, has needs, and if you
don't give it what it needs, youdon't.
You don't get to bring it in.
So here's like a cliche.
I don't think it's cliche, butit's a very simple example of it
.
Like, let's say, someone sayslike I want to build a million
dollar personal brand, okay,well, there's certain things in

(01:09:26):
that timeline and that reality,that vision manifested, that
basically are what would be theword like circumstances and
factors that are probably notpresent in your life now, that
you may not be prepared for, oneof which would be having a lot
of eyeballs on you, criticism.
One of which would be having alot of eyeballs on you,

(01:09:46):
criticism, rejection, negativecomments and if you right now,
today, want that, but onenegative comment takes you down
and you go I don't want to learnhow to stop giving my power
away to negative comments Thenno matter how badly you want
that thing, there's still a partof you that's pushing it away,
and that's where people likedon't really understand is like

(01:10:07):
you don't think that somebodythat's got hundreds of thousands
of followers has morenegativity, judgment or
criticism than someone that hasfive followers.
And you take yourself down whenyou get one hater.
So everything that we'remanifesting is actually
manifesting the lived experiencelesson.
You know, I love that quote.

(01:10:27):
The student goes to the guruand says what's the difference
between?
You said life is a school, butwhat's the difference between
life and school?
And the guru says that's easy.
In school you learn the lessonfirst and then you take the test
.
In life You're giving the testto see if you learn the lesson.
So you're manifesting theseexperiences to teach you how to
reclaim your personal power, toteach you who you really are, to

(01:10:48):
prepare you for what you reallywant.
And so people often think like,oh, I've just been trying.
For so long I've beenmanifesting, I did all that
stuff and it's not working.
Maybe it's not meant to be,maybe it's not for me.
And I say I just won't everprescribe to that it's possible.
And am I willing to give whatit takes?
Am I willing to learn thelessons that must be learned in

(01:11:11):
order for that manifestation toappear in my life?
And if that made sense, thenhopefully you'll take on your
next shamanic death and learnthe lessons there are to learn
so you can manifest what youactually wanted all along.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Yeah, exactly, and it's the 3D lessons and the 5D
lessons.
It's the strategy and it's theenergy.
You can't have one without theother and expect to get the
thing that you think you want.
Right, it's just not gonnahappen.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Yeah, we're still doing a 3D dance here.
You still gotta take action andwhatnot.
So it's both.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
It's both.
It's both Soul, both.
It's both Soul level.
Human.
There it is.
So I usually ask for bookrecommendations, but James has
an incredible secret podcastthat he just released this year
that has an entire workbook andit includes some book
recommendations.
So if you want it, I'm going toput the link in the show notes.
James, is there anything soullevel that you'd like to leave
us with today that we can takeand chew on for the rest of the

(01:12:02):
day?
Just one little itty bittyspoonful of sugar to help the
medicine go down.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
Oh my gosh.
Anything else, no, but I doappreciate you recommending that
secret podcast.
The Sorcerer CEO is, you know,my attempt to pass on a lot of
what I've learned in the severalyears on a spiritual path
working with the shaman, thingsthat have really, really helped
me, and there's a lot in thereand I will, I guess.
I'll just say that what I havefound is they seem simple and

(01:12:33):
subtle from a 3d perspective arethe things that have had the
most, you know, profound impactin my life.
So don't don't discredit thosethings, don't scoff at them,
because all of it is a is abouta discipline at them, because
all of it is about a discipline.
It's all of it is about acommitment to consistency and
repetition and building thosehabits into place.

(01:12:55):
And so even something as simpleas a gratitude practice being
grateful, once anybody can dothat, can you let that permeate
into your day, every single day?
Can you wake up with gratitudeand go to bed with that?
And it's easy on some days andit's hard on others, and when
you can do it on the hard daysyou're you're getting closer to

(01:13:16):
a level of mastery, and masteryis is the goal, and mastery
requires that discipline, thatconsistency and repetition that
discipline, that consistency andrepetition.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
So, yeah, amen.
And none of us gets out alive.
So we only have time, right,the literal life or death
experience that we're livingover here, right, okay, james, I
will let you go because you areincredible and busy and
wonderful and amazing, so I'm sograteful for your time and
attention.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Thank you so much Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
That brings us to the end of this soul level
conversation with James Wenmore.
To my soul level humanlisteners, thank you for already
following the intuition to tunein today, and I'm so excited
for everything that's in storefor all of us on this journey
together.
If you've enjoyed this episode,please leave us a comment or
review, share with a friend andsubscribe for more soul-level

(01:14:09):
conversations.
I'm Sylvia Beatrice and this isSoul Level Human.

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