June 19, 2024 • 65 mins
What happens when a seasoned political analyst in the Middle East transforms into a leading voice in astrology and spirituality?
Join us on Soul Level Human as we welcome the incredible Laurie Rivers, whose journey from the corridors of power to the realms of the stars is nothing short of fascinating. Lori shares how her accidental enrollment in a Quantum Mechanics Theory class, taught by an extraordinary Auschwitz survivor, acted as a bridge between science and spirituality, reshaping her entire worldview.
Laurie's life took another unexpected turn when she found herself drawn to astrology during a time of personal crisis. This episode touches on the historical roots of astrology, debunking myths and revealing how it served as the original form of political analysis. We delve into Laurie's struggles and triumphs, exploring how astrology became a vital tool for personal transformation, guiding her through turbulent times and toward a clearer understanding of her soul mission.
Balancing life as a parent and an awakened individual is no small feat, and Laurie's story is rich with lessons on resilience, community, and the power of continuous learning. Hear her thoughts on cultivating humility, the importance of self-reflection, and how to navigate both personal and collective challenges with grace. Whether you're a seasoned spiritual seeker or just beginning your journey, this episode offers invaluable guidance and inspiration. Tune in and discover how embracing your unique purpose can transform your life.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Next up on Soul Level , human.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I tried to be an atheist.
I tried, I tried and thenquantum physics came into my
life against my will.
It changed my perspectiveforever.
Dr Troller opened up the classwith welcome to quantum
mechanics theory.
My hand shoots up, Excuse me,Excuse me, I'm a liberal arts
(00:25):
major, I'm a humanities major, Ineed to be excused from this
class.
The panic rising.
I'm a scholarship student.
And she said oh no, I don't letgirls out of my class, I do not
let women out of scienceclasses.
So I went to Dr Troller afterthe class and I begged and I
gave her my slab story and I'min tears you know the full tears
(00:47):
because my life is now over.
And she rolled up her sleeveand on her forearm was a tattoo
and she had survived Auschwitzas a child.
At that point there's noarguing with anybody.
And she said come to me, I willhelp you and the things she
said beyond that to let me knowI'd be okay in the class.
She goes can you imaginesmaller than small?
(01:09):
And I went yeah, Can youimagine bigger than big?
Yeah, You'll be fine.
That was her slogan.
You'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
If you feel like your soul came to this planet for a
reason and you're looking aroundat the state of the world in
heartache and disbelief, it'sbecause your soul is ready to
step into the mission you camehere to complete.
You have soul level awarenessand skills to develop and soul
level people to meet.
You didn't sign up to do thisalone.
If you're ready to soul levelyour life, you're going to need
(01:44):
to work on your clarity, courageand trust muscles.
I'm your guide, sylvia Beatriz,psychic channel intuition coach
and soul level mama of twounder 10.
This world is ready for a newway.
This world is ready for you.
Welcome to Soul Level Human.
Welcome to Soul Level Human.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Today I am beyond excited to introduce to you our
special guest, lori Rivers.
Lori is not just an astrologerwith over 30 years of experience
, but she's also a psychic and acertified life coach Three
areas I deeply admire.
But what really caught myattention about Lori are two
things.
First off, the incrediblepsychic medium John Edward.
(02:30):
The whole reason I'm into allof this stuff in the first place
gave her a shout out on aTikTok live one night and I had
to look her up immediately.
I trust him, I trust his takeon things.
He's grounded, he's ethical, heis integrous.
And Lori has completely blownme away.
I have been in her Patreon fora couple of years now and she's
(02:52):
just amazing.
Secondly, lori's fascinatingbackground as a political
analyst in the private sector,focusing on the Middle East with
the wild political climate ofthe last few years.
Her knowledge is timely andgrounded and well-rounded and I
completely respect her take oneverything, and it's been such a
comfort too to hear what shehas to say about everything.
(03:14):
She does give actionable stepsso that you can have a heads up
and know what to do with it.
At the same time, lori has over152,000 followers on TikTok,
where she shares her wisdom andguidance on TikTok lives and on
her posts.
She's also the brilliant hostof the Awake Space Astrology
(03:34):
Podcast, which is a fantasticlisten if you're cleaning your
house or washing dishes or juston a drive.
Wonderful, wonderful thing tobe listening to, in addition to
my podcast, of course.
Thank you so much for beinghere.
Both my husband and I have hadreadings with her and I can tell
you she is so, so good.
(03:55):
I cannot wait for you toexperience her magic.
Let's start the episode.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Welcome to the show.
Lori Rivers.
I am so excited to have you on.
How are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I am doing great.
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
So I have to tell you it's your fault that we're here
today, because I had a readingwith you about a year ago and
everything kind of confirmedeverything that I was thinking
about.
I was like, well, should Istart a YouTube?
Maybe I'm thinking a podcast.
And you're like, yes, do it.
I was like, okay, great, andhere we are.
So this is your fault, I lovethat I love enabling people's
success.
Yes, yes, I love it, andobviously then I can pay it
(04:37):
forward.
So we are all about it.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Soul level.
Human is all about how weintegrate all the spiritual
frothy things into the groundedreality of the 3D.
Like how do we actually humanas souls with a spiritual
perspective, because we didn'tcome here to just, you know, be
floaty and airy, fairy andwhatever, especially not in this
(05:02):
day and age, right, and I knowthat that's something that
you're super passionate about aswell.
So, I'm so excited to get intoit with you.
Let's take it back to thebeginning.
Can you tell me a little bitabout your family of origin and
what the language ofspirituality was in that context
?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
That is complex.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Here for the complex.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
That's very complex.
My family is at least my dad'sside of the family my mom's side
of the family is very religious, my dad's is too, but not the
way people think of religioustoday, like with evangelicalism
et cetera.
I know there are people who arein my family, but it's like
(05:45):
generations of people of faith,let's put it that way Whether
they were pastors or rabbis orpriests.
It goes way back.
Most cases they may have beenreligious because they had to be
for legal reasons.
I mean, I'm talking hundreds ofyears.
(06:07):
But I grew up with a familylibrary and it sounds grand, but
it was a couple bookshelveswith really old books on them
and it was mygreat-grandfather's, my
great-great-grandfather's, mygreat-great-grandfather's and
grandmother's books, and many ofthose were from the
transcendental movement of the19th century.
So I grew up withtranscendentalism at my
(06:30):
fingertips and abolitionistworks, and so in that side, my
dad's direct line, were full ofpeople who were suffragettes and
abolitionists and what wouldnow be considered very
progressive people.
They were not without theirflaws.
I think we over dehumanizepeople so much we make them into
(06:55):
archetypes of oh, this personbelieved in these things.
They must have been all good.
Oh no, they had flaws.
Demonize them, and humans arehumans.
We all poop.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yes, we do.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
We all poop Okay, it's part of being human or we
blow up, so.
But I grew up with that and Iwas religious not my parents,
but I was.
I had a very strong connectionto believe in something bigger
than me from a very small child,probably because my
great-grandma took me to church.
But I would tell the pastor howhe did during the sermon after
(07:34):
church at four.
I also explained this to him.
It would have been a fly on thewall.
Yeah, there were people whohated that.
The pastor loved it.
He was a very open-minded man.
Well, how did I do to Daylor?
And I'm like no, you're alittle scary and Jesus is about
love, and I don't think youreally hit that on the head
today, you know, at four, youknow, oh, I want to eat too.
(07:57):
So cute.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I have a four-year-old, so I can picture
it very clearly, right, so I canpicture it very clearly, right,
so you can picture.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
The little school marmy girl that was me Also
explained that Adam could havesaid no and didn't have to eat
the apple to my Sunday schoolteacher.
You know those types of things,and not in a challenging way.
It was in a critical thinkingkind of way, and it was very,
very fortunate that I was in achurch that did not condemn you
(08:24):
for being five years old andthinking they would just be like
, wow, that's an interesting wayto look at it, huh.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
And change the subject.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I'm very, very fortunate and it was pre kind of
where the mainstreamevangelicals are today.
It was a non-denominationalchurch and they were kind of
autonomous.
But I left at 13 when thatmovement started to kick up and
I was like I can't be here, thisisn't right, and then went on
(08:58):
to my grandmother, was veryupset with that and she was
Lutheran and she wanted me tocome to her church.
I'm like okay, fine, and Iwasn't that thrilled with that
because I wasn't necessarilyagreeing with the theology I was
hearing and I went to make mygrandma happy and to sing in
church because I was a singerand churches have good music
(09:20):
that's always great music.
But I left at 17 because theywould not feed a homeless person
and I rebuked a congregation onthe steps and had to be carried
off and shoved into a car.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I think we would have been great friends.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, as my grandmother was.
What about your soul?
I'm like, my soul is fine.
You people need to work onyours.
That man just wanted food.
Well, what if he came back?
Isn't that your job?
And so I was very angry, as wetend to be as young people and I
(09:57):
don't think every young personthinks they invented being the
angry young person in search ofjustice.
And it doesn't mean you have tobecome more conservative with
age, it's just.
It's important to also notethat you're not the first one
and I was lucky enough to runinto mentors along the way going
.
You're not the first one andyou don't have to get more
conservative, but you do need towork smarter, not harder.
(10:19):
So I just I journeyed.
Spiritualism came into my waylater, you know, when I went to
England and the spiritualistchurch got thrown into my face
and some of that I wasn'tinterested in.
There were some ceremonies andstuff that were like from the
20s, that were pretty, prettyfunny for this 18-year-old in
(10:44):
1988.
But I couldn't ever get awayfrom spirituality.
I tried, I tried to be anatheist.
I tried, I tried and thenquantum physics came into my
life against my will and itchanged my perspective forever,
(11:06):
and so I would say, I'm aspiritual humanist above all
else.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Oh, that's fascinating.
So you've been a rebel sincethe beginning and I would say
ahead of your time in many ways,because I mean it sounds like
you have a connection from thebeginning and the confidence,
know, speak truth to power andquestion things, and I don't
know where that comes from.
Where do you think it comesfrom?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I don't think it's confidence as in oh I screw up
my courage to do it.
I didn't see any other way ofbeing.
Now that is probably because Iam neuro spicy af.
They did not diagnose thosethings back in the 70s and 80s.
For young people all they knewis I had a high iq.
(11:53):
But you know, now with tiktokI'm like interesting.
Ask my kids so do you thinkmommy's autistic?
they're like yeah mom, how doyou think we got this way?
You, yeah, and so I know peoplewill see it as confidence.
I just see it as this is how Iam, so I think about things and
(12:16):
I talk about things, and what Ithink about comes out of my
mouth, sometimes for good herewe are.
Sometimes it just comes out andpeople aren't happy with it it
is what it is.
Yeah, mention finding quantumphysics quantum mechanics theory
in in university tell me more.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
How did that bridge the gap between everything?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
so I didn't want to take the class.
Once I found out what it wasabout, I signed up for it,
thinking it was going to be anEZA, because it said natural
sciences, and I was like, oh,biology, botany, zoology great.
Because I was an internationalrelations major, minoring in
cultural anthropology, and Icould not drop my GPA further.
I was a scholarship student andmath had already, and math had
(13:01):
already taken it down a littlebit.
And I'm like, oh, and becauseI'm a different thinker, I
didn't do well in my economicsclass either, because I made the
professor cry, so he really didtoo.
So I couldn't afford that.
(13:21):
And I got into the class andthere was this wonderful
professor.
She had many degrees, like.
She had three PhDs, fivemasters, a ton of bachelor's
degrees in everything fromclassical piano to philosophy to
quantum mechanics theory, youknow, I mean from arts to
sciences.
(13:41):
And she had this very thickGermanic accent and Dr Troller,
okay.
And she opened up the classwith Welcome to Quantum
Mechanics Theory.
My hand shoots up, excuse me,excuse me, I'm a liberal arts
(14:03):
major, I'm a humanities major, Ineed to be excused from this
class.
The panic rising, I'm ascholarship student.
And she said oh no, I don't letgirls out of my class.
I do not let women out ofscience classes.
We need more women takingscience.
So she was way ahead of womenin STEM, girls in STEM Okay, I
(14:28):
go to her.
And I am the first woman in mymom's side of the family to go
to college, okay.
So I'm like, ah, I'm going tolet everybody down, I'm going to
fail, I'm going to.
Ah.
And it was.
I went to an expensive school.
It was a very expensive privateschool with a very small
student body, and I chose thaton purpose.
(14:48):
I had the right idealism.
It was based on getting to knowother people from other lot of
different places.
Got to know each other as humanbeings.
We might be able to stop wars.
So that's why I went there.
But I was also with a lot ofkids who had a lot more money
(15:11):
than me and it cost a lot.
So those scholarships were very, very important.
So I went to Dr Troller afterthe class and I begged and I
gave her my sob story and I'm intears you know the full tears
because my life is now over andshe rolled up her sleeve and on
her forearm was a tattoo sinceshe had survived Auschwitz as a
(15:35):
child.
At that point there's noarguing with anybody.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
You really can't.
Well, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, that was it.
And she said come to me, I willhelp you.
And the thing she said beyondthat, to let me know I'd be okay
in the class.
She goes can you imaginesmaller than small?
And I went yeah, can youimagine bigger than big?
Yeah, you'll be fine.
(16:04):
That was her slogan, you'll befine, that was her song, you'll
be fine.
And I was the only person toget an A in that class and it
broke my brain.
My brain hurt, not just in thefront part.
You know how your brain hurtswhen you're learning something
new.
It hurt all the way to the back.
Man, nobody knew about quantummechanics.
Nobody knew about StephenHawking.
(16:24):
It wasn't part of your populardialogue in 1989.
It was not Learned about theHiggs boson.
So, like in 2012, when theyfinally found it, I was dancing
around my living room like, ohmy God, and Higgs got to live to
see it.
But what quantum mechanicstheory did?
Is it confirmed for me thatsense of of being connected to
(16:51):
the rocks and the trees andbeing able to feel energy and
see energy, which I'd beenpushing away?
You know, other than as a smallchild, if I had a spiritual
experience or I saw a deadrelative you know, come out of
my closet or all those things.
It confirmed for me that thatwas entirely possible.
(17:12):
It didn't make me crazy andthere were things we hadn't
studied yet or didn't have theability to measure.
I was still very cautious withit because I saw a lot of
chicanery and charlatans andhucksters out in the spiritual
and religious spaces.
(17:33):
Because it's hard to measure,you can't prove stuff, and so
that more than anything I thinkkind of put me on my pathway
that I'm on now.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I guess in essence it's like the permission slip to
stop gaslighting yourself andstart trusting yourself even
more, Just knowing thatsomething's possible
scientifically.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
That's really cool.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, cause I was alot, I was very logic driven
and to me, a lot of the faith Ihad was logic based.
So I know that sounds weirdbecause they're not supposed to
go together.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
From where I am now right With everything I've been
through it has to go togetherFrom where I am now right With
everything.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I've been through.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
it has to go together , and I think somebody who's
only operating on faith I meanit can get you really far, but
it needs more power grounding.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Well, and then to me.
It also then takes away theseparation from a soul being and
a physical being, because yourvery cells of your body are
ensouled, takes away theseparation from a soul being and
a physical being Because yourvery cells of your body are
in-souled, if you think aboutquarks and neutrinos and bosons,
and they have this animuswithin them that makes them
there, and to be there is to bealive, and those things are
(18:54):
there wherever there is, thenhow are we not ensouled?
Why would we not be ensouled?
Why do we have to work so hardto think that we have to prove
ourselves to be worthy?
Speaker 1 (19:09):
It's almost like that's a con job, Right.
Exactly Like to be worthy ofsimply being ourselves, just
accepting what is.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Or worthy, worthy of a greater being worthy of a
greater, all that is worthy of agreater God or goddess.
You know, you know.
At that point it's like huh.
I don't know if you had thatmoment where you went.
Huh, I wonder who made moneyoff that idea who's doing well
with that.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I think it was very clear at that point who was
doing well with that.
I don't think I even had thehmm.
I was more like, oh my gosh,this has been going on for so
long, so long.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Since the.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Bronze Age Right Everyone's just been fed to them
.
Everyone's just been fed tothem, but that's well yes and no
.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I think that's a you have to remember.
It does go back to about 200years, into the bronze age, and
when people are raised andsubjugated, is it really
drinking the Kool-Aid or is itenculturated?
And then, if you're neuro spicy, that shit doesn't get through.
So you're walking around going.
(20:18):
I think there should be a newgame called are you awake or are
you neuro spicy?
Because it's like I walkedaround going.
There must be something wrongwith me.
Why do I see things sodifferently?
Speaker 3 (20:31):
than other people.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I would be really curious yep to see some kind of
scientific study.
If they would start trackingand measuring just the increased
frequency of people quoteunquote waking up and whether or
not they have some kind ofneurodivergence, I'm sure
there's a correlation there.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Fascinating.
Fascinating Because, yeah,you're a little harder.
I mean, on one hand, you couldbe easier to program, depending
on the programming, but on theother hand, you might be
impossible to program, dependingon the programming.
Yeah, because at some pointyou're going to go wait.
When I think about this and itcould be a midnight thought it
(21:11):
could just be like wait a minute.
Are you sure?
It becomes very practical andthat's not as sexy, as you know.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
the woo-hoo, the meditation and the yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah yeah, you know.
But that's why they call itMaya and Moksha.
It's a Hindu concept and it'sthe illusion.
You know, glamour is Maya, theglamour of the world, the veneer
you know, and then moksha iswhen you can pierce through that
veil and you're aligned.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I see I'm going to have to do more reading after
this.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, do more research on that.
It's an interesting concept,but really it's just being able
to see things for what they are.
But the world operates on theillusion and so in Theosophy
there's a book by Alice Baileyand I know a lot of people don't
like Alice Bailey becausethere's some language in there
(22:04):
from the 20s, 30s, 40s that isnot as acceptable today.
And I always tell people liftyourself above the cultural
inferences, because nobody wrotewithout that kind of language
back then.
Lift yourself above that andread the energy, read with the
intent of the energy, takeyourself out of the vernacular
(22:28):
and just try to pick out thepearls.
To pick out the pearls, okay,because people are going to
judge us.
Even the most, um, awakened,enlightened people of this
moment, a hundred years from now, young people are going to go
oh, my god, they believed that.
Look at the language they used.
So you know, take a step back,get what you can, yeah, but um,
(22:54):
even in there there's a bookcalled glamour, a world problem,
and if you read through it youfeel really justified,
especially if you just woke upor you're having an unfolding
and um, and an unfolding is justlike a further awakenings and
understandings.
Right, you're not, you don'tjust get one, there's not just
one.
And then there's no browniebuttons here and you think, oh
(23:14):
yeah, the world and all itsillusions.
And then they're like yeah, andthen there's an illusion to
being so awakened and if youwant to make a difference as a
world server or a world teacher,you have to step back into it.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Because no one's going to listen to you without
it.
If you're going to do your job,it's like, oh man, and I really
fought that, because I cameinto that in my 30s and I was
like, no, screw that, I'm notgoing to do that.
And did I make any progress?
I would have a few people slipin no-transcript.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
be fully here and do what you came here to do, yeah
that makes sense, yeah, it is agame.
Tell me how, like break downfor me how you found astrology
and how it kind of fit into yourlife.
Like you were a politicalanalyst, you said, right yeah,
two separate lives come togetherand flow together.
(24:39):
How did that?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
work Well.
Astrology, first of all.
The history of astrology isastrologers were the first
political analysts.
This idea is some spiritualblah, blah blah.
No, astrology was always.
In fact, the average commonperson never had an astrologer.
They didn't even know what daythey were born, that's right.
(25:01):
So it was always people withmoney and land, and that was
kings, queens, generals,merchants, and this goes back to
the advent.
It was people who had power,had astrologers.
Astrologers could read and werewell-versed in everything from
theology to.
You have to remember, politicsand religion didn't get
(25:23):
separated until the USConstitution.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Yeah, I'm having so much fun I'm going.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Right, so astrologers were the original political
analysts.
Right, so astrologers were theoriginal political analysts.
But I didn't know that when Ifell into astrology, because I
(25:50):
had the same misunderstandingsof what astrology was as every
other person who's been exposedto a Linda Goodman Sun sign
begging it matter.
The internet was very new.
I was at an internet cafe.
I was looking for answers.
My life was not going the way Iwanted it to go.
I had checked off all the boxes.
I had done absolutelyeverything you were supposed to
do.
I was an overachiever'soverachiever, and life was
falling apart.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
And when.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
I say life was falling apart.
I meant everything thatmattered to me and it didn't
matter what I touched.
It seemed to crumble For thelisteners, that's Pluto transit.
I was 25.
I was 25 and I had already beento 23 countries, four continents
.
I had graduated from university.
I did a four-year degree in twoand a half years, degree in two
(26:35):
and a half years.
When I say I was anoverachiever, I was like off the
charts overachiever and I didall of that on my own steam,
meaning my parents never paidfor that.
I paid for that.
I found jobs that took me.
I was tenacious and unrelenting,with a hell of a lot of
willpower, and when everybodyelse would party I'd be laser
focused on my stuff.
(26:56):
Again, more evidence of theneuro spiciness.
But back then it was just isn'tshe interesting?
But anyway, I had had mydaughter and everything was not
working.
She was perfect, but my lifewas falling apart, my marriage
especially.
And this, happily, ever afterthat was supposed to be
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happening was not.
And it didn't matter how much Iloved that person, it didn't
matter how much I believed inthat person.
Their problems were continuingto get worse and it was
substance abuse and um,psychology was not useful.
Back then I had also experiencedsevere amounts of trauma as a
young person, like off thecharts, and had again, through
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willpower, managed to move pastand not deal with stuff.
But that was all coming upbecause I had a small child now
and so I was being triggeredleft, right and center, to the
point.
I didn't even know the wordtriggered because it was just
starting.
It was just starting to comeinto play in the nineties and
astrology I mean psychologysucked back then.
There was this whole.
If you were traumatized, youwere forever damaged, your life
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would always suck, you wouldalways be broken.
You just have to be a survivor.
There was no thriving and Ijust I was like well, no, I
cannot believe in that.
I cannot.
I cannot, because I had hadpsychologists tell me at 15, I
would be forever broken, I wouldend up on homeless, a
prostitute, a drug addict, tryto kill myself or be a
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prostitute or be a lesbian.
I don't know why being alesbian would have been the
worst thing that was in thatcategory, but 1985, right.
Yeah, and even at 15, I was likeI'm none of that now.
Why would I be that anytimeelse in my life, you know?
But what a horrendous thing tosay to a 15 year old yeah.
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And so part of that willpowerthat had been in play was I am
not going to be all the thingsthey told me, but life was
starting to crumble and crack.
So if I'm walking on a floorit's dropping out beneath me and
I can't find, and it's likebeing in a plane that's dropping
at 30,000 feet and then it hitsthe turbulence.
So that's what was going on andI was seeking answers.
(29:12):
And this was long before Google.
But I'm surfing the web, butI'm getting in there and I'm
looking.
I found this message board andit was called Astro Chat and it
was owned by Jonathan Kaner, theesteemed British astrologer.
I knew who he was because hehad been on the morning shows
and he dressed really funny.
He always had these weird staroutfits, but he had a beautiful
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voice and there was alwayssomething about him that
resonated with me Not really theastrology, but he just seemed
like a very kind person and so Iwas like oh, I liked him on TV
when I was in uni.
I'll go and see what's on thismessage board.
So I asked am I a Cancer orLeah?
Because all the different bookshad different things.
I was well, this can't possiblybe accurate.
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Well, none of those booksexplain that the sun ingresses
into different signs ondifferent days every year.
You know so, because it's notabout the calendar date.
Our calendar is off, you know,not as some kind of conspiracy,
as TikTok would have.
You know, it's because peoplecouldn't measure things exactly
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back in the day.
People are like people arelying to us.
No, they did the best they could.
Folks, time itself is made upbecause we don't know the
beginning of it, so we're justgoing to go with assumptions.
But anyway, somebody took pityon me.
Well, actually, no, everybodytook pity on me and gave me
technical answers that I did notunderstand, and in the most
(30:41):
cancerian way possible.
I responded with cut the technocrap and tell me what I am.
Aaliyah wouldn't have asked itthat way.
They would have been likeplease, please.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Aaliyah would been like, please please, leo would
have gone.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Please, please, just tell me who I am.
But the cancer got cranky.
I'm like what the techno crap.
And so William, who became myteacher, my very first teacher,
sent me a message.
A private message said hey,I'll do your chart, I'm going to
send you an email and you seewhat you are.
And so he sent me a 20 pageemail.
(31:17):
We had no digital footprints.
The stuff in that email thatwas accurate was mind bogglingly
true.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
And nobody else knew.
Some of it, Like this, wasstuff that I never told anybody
and some of it wasn't that bigof a deal, but it was stuff like
yeah, I could see dead peopleMetaphysical message word people
could probably get a 50-50 onthat one, but that I could talk
to animals, Nobody would haveasked me, no, no.
And then other things, and hegot some details.
And he got some of the gorydetails right and things I had
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never told another living soullike ever.
There was no way to know.
And then at the bottom of it hesaid hey, if anyone was born to
be an astrologer, it was you.
I'd love to teach you.
And I said well, my responsewas thank you very much, I will
learn how you did the chicaneryand I will prove it wrong.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Wow Objection.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
I was like there's a logical rational explanation for
absolutely everything.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
And so, what did you?
Speaker 2 (32:26):
find I will find out.
I started studying astrology todebunk it and found out that
effectively it's data science.
That, oh, okay, there's reasons.
This is not this mystical,magical thing.
It's data science pure andsimple, and it depends on your
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knowledge base.
So if you want to be a goodastrologer, you have to know a
lot about a lot of things,otherwise you're just a parrot
regurgitating what other peoplesay, right.
And so if you want to be areally good astrologer, you have
to be a polymath.
You have to have a lot of otherinterests, which sounds like it
was the perfect fit.
(33:09):
It was yeah, and without it, Idon't know that I would be here,
because it's also when we lookat psychological astrology,
because I'm not just a mundaneastrologer, I'm an esoteric
astrologer, I'm a psychologicalastrologer.
I lead with the mundane becauseit's like dangling car keys to
get a baby's attention and Idon't mean that like I'm calling
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people babies.
But it's a noisy world onlineand I'm not going to get the
most attention by talking aboutpeople's spiritual pursuits or
their personalities.
I'm not.
I'm not going to go viral onthat because I'm up against
young people in cute littleoutfit.
(33:53):
I'm not a cute little youngthing.
I'm not going to get thatbenefit.
So I'm going to lead with myexpertise and the accuracy.
So I give predictions andthat's what proves I know what
I'm talking about.
So it's.
But I prefer helping peoplelike you go.
Yeah, listen to yourself.
(34:15):
You want to start a podcast?
Duh, here.
It is black and white, crystalclear, Clear as daylight.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Do it A little extra push, you know.
So yeah, absolutely Talkedbefore about how you've studied
different systems under manyteachers and how you used to do
all the computations by hand.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Oh no, that was just at the beginning.
At the beginning, because backin the 90s, yeah, but
astrologers did used to have tocalculate by hand.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
But versus the people from today who would probably
have no idea how to do that, Ifeel like there is an extra
layer of understanding that youmight have just because you had
the experience of having to doit, at least in the beginning,
is there?
Speaker 2 (35:03):
No, I don't think doing the math by hand makes you
a good astrologer.
I don't.
I think writing the charts outby hand meaning if you just have
a chart blank and you practicewriting your glyphs out that
helps.
There is a school of astrologythat does feel that you'll be a
better astrologer if you doeverything by hand.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
The American Federation of Astrologers would
disagree with me, becausethey're very, very strong on
doing the math.
The math is very important tounderstand.
I think you should be able toconceptualize it, because what I
see in, especially online, ispeople do not understand the
movement of the planets.
They don't understand orbits.
(35:46):
Anybody who says a Saturnreturn lasts three years tells
me exactly what they haven'tstudied in astrology.
It tells me they haven'tstudied astrology at all,
because one Saturn doesn't spendthree years in a sign, it only
spends two and a half years in asign, and that half a year
matters.
And a return is not a process.
(36:09):
A return is a moment in timewhere a planet returns exactly
to the degree and minute it isin the birth chart and it sets a
divinatory chart.
And people are like that's notthe type of astrology I do.
I'm like, well, except that'sastrology.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
You don't know what you don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Well, but there's also a refusal to learn.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
And I see that a lot, and I've seen it in older
people too.
It's not just young people,I've seen it in older people too
.
Well, no, I just know.
I'm like why don't you justadmit that you haven't studied
it and be open to actuallylearning?
You know, it's okay to say oh,I thought it was that, but I
didn't know I'm going to golearn this that I thought it was
that.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
But I didn't know.
I'm going to go learn this.
That's really hard for a lot ofpeople to do.
They really do enjoy beingright.
I've had to eat a lot of crowin my life.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
So I'm like, oh well, because he'll still
occasionally, william, becausewe've never met in person.
He was in Australia, I was inBahrain, we still have yet to
meet and occasionally there'llbe a message of so proved it
wrong.
Yet I'm like shut up, I waswrong, okay, I was 25.
I thought I knew everything.
(37:20):
I was wrong, okay.
So I think people have tounderstand that it is heady to
find some measure of awakeningand having some light shine in,
but it certainly isn't yourstopping point.
It's your beginning and we alldo it.
I was an arrogant little cur,but I do see this lean into
(37:44):
expertise people have not yethad.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
I'm grateful you're on TikTok.
I'm grateful you put yourselfout there.
I found you initially becauseJohn Edward, the famous psychic
medium, mentioned you and Itrust anything he says because
same he has a very strongemphasis on logic and evidence
and being grounded here in the3D so.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
I was like, yes, let's go, and I he's a small
brother.
I can honestly say he is myfriend.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
He is my friend.
Oh, that's really cool.
That's really cool.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
He is exactly as cool as you think he is.
He is a very nice man.
He has a very dedicated husbandand father and he is just
absolutely lovely.
He's a very, very good person.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
I've heard nothing but great things about him from
people who know him personally.
That makes me so happy.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
I will just totally validate that he is a very
lovely human being and he's verystraight up.
He is very concerned aboutethics, yes, really cares about
things.
So, yeah, no, he's very cool,his energy.
To me, as just for mepersonally, he feels like that
favorite cousin you see atgrandma's house at Christmas.
So we kind of it's that, oh, Iget to see this person, oh,
(38:52):
that's so cool.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Yeah, yeah, I love that yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
It's very, very lovely, so cool.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
I mean we could go off there.
Let's bring it back.
So okay, You're 25.
Everything's falling apart.
You find astrology Things startto make sense after you've
already rejected all of it, Didit make enough sense to start
applying it practically in yourown life?
Like what was that timelinelike?
When did it become somethingthat you wanted to do
(39:18):
professionally, Because you werethe political analyst for so
long, right by trade?
And so what was the timelinethere?
How did that all work?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Necessity is the mother of invention To me.
I think people try to run withthings too quickly.
You know like I'm teaching anintermediate level class and
people keep trying to ask well,in readings, do you?
And I'm like you're not evenclose to doing readings yet.
You know you need to back offand look at your own chart.
Until you can look at your ownchart and understand you, you
(39:47):
will be a very little use toanyone else because you will be
projecting and you need to lookat yourself.
So, honestly, I just studied.
I didn't have access to booksbecause there were no books in
the country that I lived in andit was technically not real
legal to do it.
I had already busted throughfirewalls to get the information
and get on there.
It wasn't hard back then.
(40:08):
Okay, you just had to ask on asearch engine.
A better question?
Okay?
Speaker 1 (40:14):
So it's.
I mean, it would have deterreda lot of people.
Let's be real, though, becauseit did.
Many of us are rule followersand some of us are a little bit
more rebellious, and I thinkthat's necessary if you want to
get Well, I knew there weren't.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
I knew I was pretty good busting through where I was
at, cool.
So I got these weekly emails,like they were 20 pages long, I
printed them out on a dot matrixprinter and you know, and I
would study it and so I wasprobably about a year in that
(40:49):
because, remember, I didn't haveaccess to books, even that were
I could.
Now the internet was full ofmuch better information then.
Much better.
If you can get on the oldtripod sites, the old angel fire
sites, the old geocity sites,there's some amazing
metaphysical information becausethe very people, like everybody
(41:11):
acts like you know, old peoplethat weren't on the internet
yeah, they were the realmetaphysicians were also
technologically very savvy andthere is so much good stuff.
I had mentor.
I had a mentor in his ninetiesand his name was Cosmo, for like
real, that was like his realname, like his birth name was
(41:31):
Cosmo and he was an astrologer,the irony and he was an Aquarius
, so it was just hilarious.
But anyway, he's the one who hadme yeah, he had me looking at
2020 back in 1997.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
It's like way and a half.
Thank you for that.
So I've heard you mention thatyou have been gearing up for
2020 for so long.
What did you understand?
What were you picking up on?
Speaker 2 (41:52):
So by now, you remember, I found it in 95.
So by 96, 97, I wasunderstanding things at a much
deeper level, and I think it'sbecause I didn't have the books
until 97.
When I traveled outside of thecountry and got them, I was
practically learning from theseemails.
And I would ask my teacher,like okay, I'm a cancer, Should
(42:13):
I pay attention to the moontransits?
Nobody paid attention to moontransits, Nobody back then.
You know lunar transits.
And so I started tracking and Ilearned I started.
That's what caused me to dopractical application, because I
treated it like a science.
Okay, I'm going to observe, seewhat happens, record the
information, see if it happensagain.
(42:40):
Is it replicating what's goingon?
And so by 97, I was actuallyalready very good because I was
reading charts every day.
I was applying things.
I was noticing.
I read for friends.
At that point I did not do itprofessionally yet.
And when he tossed me and hetossed it to me in like 96,
might've been after my son wasborn, because my youngest was
born in 96.
He tossed me 2020.
And I knew enough to bedangerous at that point.
(43:02):
And 2020 looked like the worldwas ending and I was terrified.
I knew we were in for massivesystemic change that the world
would somehow stop, which, in 96, 97, was global thermal nuclear
war.
That was the only potential youcould think about.
You know and I'm a Gen Xerthat's what we were raised with.
You know, I did not.
(43:22):
I lived so close to a nucleartarget as a kid that we didn't
even have duck and cover drills.
Oh my gosh, they like you got 15minutes.
Good luck, you know.
Wow, yeah, they were like youhave 15 minutes.
What are you going to do?
And there's kids going?
I'll run to the mountain.
I'm like I'm going to runtowards the blast because, man,
we ain't got no shot.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
You know, that's where I was at as a 14-year-old,
I was like no yeah, butsurvival, we had to, and so I'm
looking at that.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
I have two small children, you know, and I'm like
, oh my God, how do we get there?
And it nearly drove me crazytrying to figure it out.
I had to put down mundaneastrology for a while and just
focus on needle astrology andesoteric astrology.
And just focus on natalastrology and esoteric astrology
, because looking out at thefuture out of context was
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driving me insane.
It really was the fear for mychildren and going why the hell
did I give birth?
I felt so strongly about havingkids Because I wanted to be a
mom so badly.
I was right at six years old, Iwanted to be a mom.
I didn't want a husband.
I was correct in thatassessment.
Some of me knew.
(44:39):
Eventually, I just raised mykids to understand a lot of
different things.
I gave them medieval skills.
I gave them.
If all technology went awaytomorrow, this is how you start
a fire.
This is how you spin yarn orthread.
This is how you make somethingout of the yarn or thread.
This is how you chop down atree.
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This is how you build withoutpower tools.
This is how you cook on a fire.
And we lived rurally and we hadenough bad weather that
sometimes we had to use thoseskills anyway.
So my kids are very, verywell-rounded and they're very
aware and pay attention to theworld around them.
They were not always thrilledabout that and, like Jesus Mom,
(45:25):
we don't need to be hyper-aware.
I'm like I disagree.
I think you're going to need itmore as we go along, because
2020 was not the only time ofchange.
It set off a detonation forchange over time.
So people do not understand howthings work because of how you
were taught history.
(45:45):
You were taught history inchapters, so you believe there's
a beginning and an end tothings.
There's not a beginning and anend.
It is a connected series ofevents.
If you look at the currentworld conflicts, it doesn't just
go back to the 19th century.
It goes back to the 10thcentury.
It goes back to two centuriesinto before common era.
(46:08):
If you study history properlyand most people don't learn that
because they don't teachhistory properly they teach
history as propaganda.
So we are in enduring change.
Do we need to be afraid of it?
I think we need to be cautious,but I don't think fear is
necessary.
I think because fear isdebilitating.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
That's a message that I've really appreciated from
you over the years, and thatit's not useful to be afraid and
catatonic at home.
It doesn't help anyone.
It's all about communityorganizing and support and being
sustainable in your practices,and I think that's so important.
I mean outside of astrology,but I think people are so quick
(46:51):
to give their power away toastrologers, to psychics, to
mediums, to whoever, becausethey're they don't.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
It's a continuation of of having been inculturated
in a church or a synagogue or amosque.
It's just giving your poweraway.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
That's so true.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
People just do that.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Yeah, but do you?
See it changing Cause I do.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
I think, some I think the more we educate.
Yeah, there's a thirst forknowledge, there's a thirst for
retaining your own.
I think it just depends onwhere people are at.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Obviously, everybody's different and just
with the whole 2020 set off, Ithink we're just barely starting
and at the beginning ofwhatever it is of this world
that we're creating now, right?
Is that something that you?
Speaker 2 (47:32):
see, it was a bigger.
I see a bigger awakening coming.
Yeah, I think people need to becareful of hubris, because
there were other awakeningsbefore that 2012 was a big
awakening, 2008 was a bigawakening, 2002 was a big
awakening, and so on, and so on,and so on, and so on, and so on
, and so on, and so on, and soon, and so on, and so on, and so
(47:53):
on, and so, on, and so on andthere's hubris.
The problem is, being awake isnot enough, and I talk about
this a lot, as you know.
Waking up, what do you do?
You wake up every morning.
What do you do with your day?
How many people misspend theirdays, and are they really
misspending it?
It's not up to us to judge whatsomebody does with their day.
(48:18):
Maybe you need a day you'revegetating, maybe you need a day
where you're just sitting andwatching TV, but some days you
drink two cups of coffee and offto the races you go.
So I think there's a lot ofhubris in being awake.
I think a lot of people thinkthat's all there is to it.
What are you going to do withit?
And so that's where I getworried, because that's where
people are like follow me, Iknow everything, I have the
truth, the way, the light, andit's like eh, do you.
(48:43):
Yeah, so people need to developtheir own discernment, people
need to develop their ownunderstandings and learn, and I
think people also like to handtheir power away to a certain
degree, because then they don'thave to be responsible.
Yeah, and if you're reallyhonest with yourself, like when
you really start getting honestwith yourself, you'll be like oh
(49:04):
yeah, it was really easier toblame somebody else than to take
responsibility.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
So much easier, so much more fun.
So, I mean, just the get out ofjail free card is just so much
more comfortable than actuallysitting in your own shit, isn't
it, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah, so let's take itback to parenting then, With all
of the things that we justtalked about, to the 3D skills.
How did you nurture that inyour own kids?
Nurture being awake Like theirown autonomy, yeah, their own,
(49:31):
awakening their own.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Oh, that's hard because it's hard, you know,
because as a parent, not only doyou have legal obligations and
there is societal expectationsand your kids have to be able to
function in the world.
I I was really fortunate, I'vebeen very fortunate in the
teachers that have showed up inmy life in every realm, and one
(49:54):
of those was H Stephen Glenn PhD, who was the founder of
Resiliency Studies in 1971.
And he had a program calledDeveloping Capable Young People.
It was actually DevelopingCapable People but people
couldn't get grants, otherwisewe didn't put young in it,
because obviously childrenaren't young, people aren't
(50:15):
people at all, unless you putyoung in front of it.
But anyway, I ended up fallinginto his training and into his
sphere, because the place Iwanted to volunteer at made
everybody take this course bythe third of 10 weeks in of just
them facilitating this course,I said, how do I meet him?
How do I get trained?
And he was an amazing man andso I applied a lot of that skill
(50:40):
building and communicationstyles to raising my kids and it
made it hard for them as adultsbecause they were raised to
have good communication, theywere raised to think critically.
They were raised so it's hardto function as an adult and I
also did not helicopter parentand that made them mad at me
(51:00):
because everybody else's parentswere, you know, wiping their
asses and taking them to jobinterviews and I was like I will
drive you there and I willpractice with you, but you damn
well better be able to stand onyour own two feet.
And I did not believe inparticipation trophies in that
(51:21):
way either.
I believe on merit and becauseit does not help you Now, I also
don't believe in dog eat dogcompetition either.
I think that's unnecessary.
But how do you know you're goodat anything if you do not have
the opportunity to fail?
It is a privilege to be able tofail and I teach a lot of young
(51:43):
people today.
I teach a lot of astrologyclasses, and the fear of being
wrong is visceral and I'm likeguys, you will not die, you will
not have any problems.
Being wrong isn't going to killyou.
Just what do you think thismeans?
Let's explore.
What do you think it means?
(52:04):
And the silence, and that youcould see that I started to well
up with tears on the video andI'm like it's okay, it's okay to
be wrong, it's okay.
I worry about our future withthis fear of being wrong,
because that will drive us off acliff faster than anything else
.
I'm like no, no, no, no.
We lose innovation and it's away to control people.
(52:26):
So I didn't do that and my kidsstill get mad at me today.
They'll be like you didn't dothis.
I'm like you're welcome.
Did you learn how I love?
Yeah, did you learn how?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and the stuffthat I did wrong, you know, and
they're like wow, that reallytraumatized me.
I'm like ooh, yeah About that.
Oops, sorry, but did you diefor therapy?
(52:49):
Yeah, so cause no one's perfectno one is, no one is, no one is,
no one is, no one is.
And the parts I feel bad aboutare the parts where I was having
to heal from trauma and was notthe funnest person to be around
.
And you know that's where I'mlike absolutely double the money
for therapy, some money foryour therapist, some money for
you, and you could just can beno contact with me for a while
(53:13):
if that's necessary.
You know it's like I've alwaystold the kids if you need to go,
no content, no contact for yourwell-being.
Because I was an early adopterof that in my own life which is
very hard to do when you're acancerian but I didn't talk to
my parents for years and yearsand years and years and years
and years, because it made me anineffective parent.
And I told my kids if at anytime you have, you don't even
(53:34):
have to tell me, you don't haveto give me a reason.
If that's what you need, do it,Because perceptions are unique
and individual and we don'talways have to agree on
everything.
I may have had my reasons forsomething or I may have been
batshit crazy at the time.
So you know there was a lotthat went on.
I think that's important.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
Strong dose of honesty and humor and humility
goes a long way in all of it, ohyeah.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
In all of it and it sucks to have to own up to stuff
.
Oh, it's the worst.
I'm being silly and using humor, but there's nothing worse than
, you know, looking at your kidrepattern something because you
thought you'd get all of thosefamily patterns and you watch
them repattern something.
You showed them, you know, wentthrough the codependency,
(54:22):
through whatever, and you'relike fuck you know that it hits
right in the heart, and so, butguess what?
You're never going to get itall, and it's never your job to
heal everything either.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
Yeah, I think actually that's really important
because there's so many peoplethat are, like you know, feeling
like they have the answers Backto that hubris idea.
I think they take it uponthemselves to heal the entire
lineage and change the game foreveryone and it's In a way you
know that they want to step upand do the work.
(54:55):
But also it is a little bitegotistical to think that you
could ever solve all theproblems yourself.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
Right.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
You know, without the understanding, that you're just
one piece of the puzzle.
You know I think there's anelement of grace, too, that we
could give ourselves yeah a tonamount of grace, like give
yourself a semi-trux width, okaythe long way.
Speaker 2 (55:17):
It's an indication of trauma to think you could heal
all of those.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
Because, as somebody who was traumatized, how much
responsibility did you take forbeing the problem or being the
one who was strong enough totake it?
So why would it ever be yourjob to heal something that much
bigger than you?
Yeah, and that's hard to know.
That's hard to know and we alldo it, especially those of us
(55:46):
who took a lot.
It took me a long time to learn.
Just because I can doesn't meanI have to.
Just because I can bear a largeamount of burden, just because
I do have a strong will, doesnot mean I have to take on as
much for other people and I'mrobbing them of their own
(56:06):
experiences.
Pain is not a problem.
People need to stop shying awayfrom pain.
It is part of being human andit's a signal.
Something needs to change.
And if you're trying toalleviate other people's
suffering and I'm not talkingabout there's a big difference
between psychological sufferingand discomfort and seeing
(56:27):
somebody who absolutely does nothave food, clothes, salt or
water, or somebody who is in avery deep, there's a big
difference.
Yeah, okay, we often treat themthe same.
This person is strugglingpsychologically.
You know I need to give themeverything, or they can have
their experience, and that canbe.
(56:48):
It can make you look like areal asshole when you go there.
Speaker 1 (56:52):
It's true, it's true, the guilt is very programmed
and very real.
In the interest of givingpeople something actionable to
do, because I feel likeeveryone's going through it
lately, just thing after thingafter thing, and then, of course
, with the global context makingeverything so loud, is there
any piece of advice that youcould give people that they can
(57:15):
actually take action on?
Whether it's energy, takeaction on whether it's energy,
whether it's astrology, whetherit's learning about the history
and whatever?
What are some action steps thatpeople can be taking instead of
just sitting in their roomafraid?
Speaker 2 (57:25):
Get out of your head.
Do something physical.
Go wash dishes.
Go take a walk.
Learn how to crochet.
Learn how to spin yarn on adrop spindle it's the cheaper
version and it's OG.
Learn how to tie dye t-shirts.
Bake some cupcakes.
Go garden.
(57:46):
Go buy some water and hand itout to people who are houseless.
Do something.
Do something, but get out ofyour head and stop being a damn
keyboard warrior.
Amen.
Stop watching things.
If you see again, if there'ssomething that is bothering you
out in the world and there'splenty that can bother you then
(58:08):
do something about it.
Sharing and what have you is aminor something you can donate.
You can find people in yourlocal area making a difference,
but I'm sorry.
It took a lot of very graphicvideos for people to understand
something that had been going onfor quite some time, and I can
guarantee you there is that andworse going on in the world that
(58:32):
you are not seeing, and I'msorry it took visuals for you to
become aware, I know.
However, there's a lot of goodstuff too.
There's a lot of good stuff.
There are a lot of peoplestepping up.
I have so much hope.
I have never seen so manypeople coming together from so
many different walks of life tosay, wow, as human beings we
(58:53):
should be doing better than this.
That's giving me so much hopebecause, again, not new
situations to me.
I am like thrilled.
I look at young people and Ithink, oh my God, look how smart
they are, look howcompassionate they are, look how
empathetic they are.
Yeah, they got hubris.
Yeah, they got ego.
I was an arrogant little curtoo, so it's okay.
I find it cute and funny.
(59:14):
I just don't want people to, not.
I want people to feel okaybeing wrong.
Make a mistake today and own it.
Do something wrong on purpose.
Tie your shoes the wrong wayand make a mess of the knot that
you have to entangle, practiceand just know it's not all on
your shoulders.
Collective means collective andyou are part of a collective.
(59:36):
It's not all on your shoulders.
Collective means collective andyou are part of a collective.
It's not all on you.
That is arrogance.
Check yourselves.
The world isn't in your hands,but it is, it is and it isn't.
It matters.
It matters not out there.
(59:56):
Make some friends, do something, get some sunshine, get the
vitamin D.
I don't believe technology isthe problem.
I don't believe screen time isthe problem, but I do believe
because I think the internet was.
I know what the internet wasinvented for.
It was invented to make usconnect as human beings.
That's what it was invented for.
The corporations got a hold ofit in the mid 2000s and made it.
The old internet was amazing.
Bring it back, be radical, andthat doesn't mean just saying
(01:00:20):
whatever you want to say.
That's like go be nice tosomebody.
Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
You know that's even more radical.
Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Yeah yeah, go be nice to somebody.
Go, just, I give, and so doesjohn edward, because we've done
it at the same time and we'veI've noticed him and me do the
same thing on tic tac randomvideo and we'll compliment
somebody because he and me dothe same thing on TikTok random
video.
And we'll compliment somebodybecause he and I were the same
age.
We're just months apart in ageand we come from a similar
(01:00:45):
spiritual training and part ofthe radicalness in our training
is go be nice, do something nice.
We also don't put up withbullshit, but go be nice, treat
someone with kindness.
It costs you nothing and itisn't about taking on their
suffering, trying to take awaytheir pain.
Because you're an empath, guesswhat?
(01:01:06):
As an empath, it's your job toshield and I know people don't
like to hear it.
They're like she is so mean.
Well, I'm not your littlefriend.
Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
We need that real talk though.
We need that real talk if we'regoing to survive the next few
years at all.
You know, in the best casescenario we don't have time to
be playing our little violins inthe dark.
We just don't.
Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
No, we don't, we have shit to do we don't, we do not.
We have a lot of shit to do,yeah, and you have to be willing
to know that, that noteverything you do is going to
work.
Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Yeah, but does that mean that you stop?
Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
trying.
No, you keep going.
And I cannot count the amountof times I've failed, and failed
in front of my children, to thepoint where they thought mom
was just a dreamer, you know,because I would try and try and
try and didn't have the supportsystems in place.
To the point where I blew mylife up when I was 48 years old
(01:01:56):
and I went well, if I'm notgoing to have the support boom,
I'm going to go do it by myselfand then build support
structures around me from there.
And it looked crazy and Ilooked like a very selfish
person, but it worked and that'swhy I'm where I'm at today.
And it was very scary and I hadpeople going oh my God, what if
(01:02:16):
you fail?
I'm like I've failed before.
Well, what if you end up on thestreet?
It's fine, I'll be okay, andI'd be like that's.
You know, it got to that point.
I was like, well, I'd rather beon the street than compromised,
so I'm going to go do this.
You know it's serious whenyou're like I don't care, yeah,
and I knew I had to be ready for2020, and it looked crazy.
(01:02:39):
And then, oh, here we are.
2025 isn't much better, it'svery intense and it starts out
intense and we're looking at alot of climate issues and some
black swans.
There's stuff.
Even an experienced astrologer.
I can't necessarily tell youexactly what's coming down.
(01:02:59):
I can tell you we will seeclimate issues that we've never
seen.
I think we're going to seewater like we haven't seen it in
our lifetimes.
There's a lot coming, but ifyou sit there clutching your
pearls and go, oh no, what aboutme?
Constantly?
I'm not talking about having amomentary pity party.
Everybody gets to have those.
I have moments where I sit andbawl my eyes out.
(01:03:22):
Everybody has that moment, butI'm talking consistently.
I have no time for it.
Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
No, I don't have the patience for it either.
Scorpio rising perhaps.
Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Yeah, right, yeah, we're both Scorpio rising.
So it's like come on, put yourbig girl panties on, and let's
do this already, right?
Oh, you wear tidy whities.
We'll put the big girl pantieson anyway I have a spare, oh,
well, I've got grandma sizedones, but anyway, I.
Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
I am here for the grandma sized ones.
They're more comfortable.
Anyway, I need to thank you,lori, for following your
intuition and putting yourselfout there and starting the awake
space, because it is such acomfort for me and it keeps me
going.
Every day.
I'm in your Patreon, I'm aproud member, I tell everyone
about you and I'm just sograteful.
Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Thank you so much, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Thank you for coming on.
Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Thank you so much for being a patron and I'm proud of
you.
Look at you.
Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Thank you High five High five, girl High five To my
soul level human listeners.
Thank you for already followingthe intuition to tune in today,
and I'm so excited foreverything that's in store for
all of us on this journeytogether.
I hope this episode has sparkedyour curiosity, inspired you to
dig deeper and shown you thatmagic, awareness and soul level
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tools are for everybody Not justpsychics or mediums, but normal
, everyday humans just like you.
If you've enjoyed this episode,please leave us a comment or
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Until next time, remember thatyou are a courageous soul who
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came here on purpose and it'stime to step into the human you
came to be.
You don't have to do this alone.
I'm Sylvia Beatrice, and thisis Soul Level Human.
Next up on Soul Level , human.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I tried to be an atheist.
I tried, I tried and thenquantum physics came into my
life against my will.
It changed my perspectiveforever.
Dr Troller opened up the classwith welcome to quantum
mechanics theory.
My hand shoots up, Excuse me,Excuse me, I'm a liberal arts
(00:25):
major, I'm a humanities major, Ineed to be excused from this
class.
The panic rising.
I'm a scholarship student.
And she said oh no, I don't letgirls out of my class, I do not
let women out of scienceclasses.
So I went to Dr Troller afterthe class and I begged and I
gave her my slab story and I'min tears you know the full tears
(00:47):
because my life is now over.
And she rolled up her sleeveand on her forearm was a tattoo
and she had survived Auschwitzas a child.
At that point there's noarguing with anybody.
And she said come to me, I willhelp you and the things she
said beyond that to let me knowI'd be okay in the class.
She goes can you imaginesmaller than small?
(01:09):
And I went yeah, Can youimagine bigger than big?
Yeah, You'll be fine.
That was her slogan.
You'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
If you feel like your soul came to this planet for a
reason and you're looking aroundat the state of the world in
heartache and disbelief, it'sbecause your soul is ready to
step into the mission you camehere to complete.
You have soul level awarenessand skills to develop and soul
level people to meet.
You didn't sign up to do thisalone.
If you're ready to soul levelyour life, you're going to need
(01:44):
to work on your clarity, courageand trust muscles.
I'm your guide, sylvia Beatriz,psychic channel intuition coach
and soul level mama of twounder 10.
This world is ready for a newway.
This world is ready for you.
Welcome to Soul Level Human.
Welcome to Soul Level Human.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Today I am beyond excited to introduce to you our
special guest, lori Rivers.
Lori is not just an astrologerwith over 30 years of experience
, but she's also a psychic and acertified life coach Three
areas I deeply admire.
But what really caught myattention about Lori are two
things.
First off, the incrediblepsychic medium John Edward.
(02:30):
The whole reason I'm into allof this stuff in the first place
gave her a shout out on aTikTok live one night and I had
to look her up immediately.
I trust him, I trust his takeon things.
He's grounded, he's ethical, heis integrous.
And Lori has completely blownme away.
I have been in her Patreon fora couple of years now and she's
(02:52):
just amazing.
Secondly, lori's fascinatingbackground as a political
analyst in the private sector,focusing on the Middle East with
the wild political climate ofthe last few years.
Her knowledge is timely andgrounded and well-rounded and I
completely respect her take oneverything, and it's been such a
comfort too to hear what shehas to say about everything.
(03:14):
She does give actionable stepsso that you can have a heads up
and know what to do with it.
At the same time, lori has over152,000 followers on TikTok,
where she shares her wisdom andguidance on TikTok lives and on
her posts.
She's also the brilliant hostof the Awake Space Astrology
(03:34):
Podcast, which is a fantasticlisten if you're cleaning your
house or washing dishes or juston a drive.
Wonderful, wonderful thing tobe listening to, in addition to
my podcast, of course.
Thank you so much for beinghere.
Both my husband and I have hadreadings with her and I can tell
you she is so, so good.
(03:55):
I cannot wait for you toexperience her magic.
Let's start the episode.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Welcome to the show.
Lori Rivers.
I am so excited to have you on.
How are you doing today?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I am doing great.
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
So I have to tell you it's your fault that we're here
today, because I had a readingwith you about a year ago and
everything kind of confirmedeverything that I was thinking
about.
I was like, well, should Istart a YouTube?
Maybe I'm thinking a podcast.
And you're like, yes, do it.
I was like, okay, great, andhere we are.
So this is your fault, I lovethat I love enabling people's
success.
Yes, yes, I love it, andobviously then I can pay it
(04:37):
forward.
So we are all about it.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Soul level.
Human is all about how weintegrate all the spiritual
frothy things into the groundedreality of the 3D.
Like how do we actually humanas souls with a spiritual
perspective, because we didn'tcome here to just, you know, be
floaty and airy, fairy andwhatever, especially not in this
(05:02):
day and age, right, and I knowthat that's something that
you're super passionate about aswell.
So, I'm so excited to get intoit with you.
Let's take it back to thebeginning.
Can you tell me a little bitabout your family of origin and
what the language ofspirituality was in that context
?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
That is complex.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Here for the complex.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
That's very complex.
My family is at least my dad'sside of the family my mom's side
of the family is very religious, my dad's is too, but not the
way people think of religioustoday, like with evangelicalism
et cetera.
I know there are people who arein my family, but it's like
(05:45):
generations of people of faith,let's put it that way Whether
they were pastors or rabbis orpriests.
It goes way back.
Most cases they may have beenreligious because they had to be
for legal reasons.
I mean, I'm talking hundreds ofyears.
(06:07):
But I grew up with a familylibrary and it sounds grand, but
it was a couple bookshelveswith really old books on them
and it was mygreat-grandfather's, my
great-great-grandfather's, mygreat-great-grandfather's and
grandmother's books, and many ofthose were from the
transcendental movement of the19th century.
So I grew up withtranscendentalism at my
(06:30):
fingertips and abolitionistworks, and so in that side, my
dad's direct line, were full ofpeople who were suffragettes and
abolitionists and what wouldnow be considered very
progressive people.
They were not without theirflaws.
I think we over dehumanizepeople so much we make them into
(06:55):
archetypes of oh, this personbelieved in these things.
They must have been all good.
Oh no, they had flaws.
Demonize them, and humans arehumans.
We all poop.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yes, we do.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
We all poop Okay, it's part of being human or we
blow up, so.
But I grew up with that and Iwas religious not my parents,
but I was.
I had a very strong connectionto believe in something bigger
than me from a very small child,probably because my
great-grandma took me to church.
But I would tell the pastor howhe did during the sermon after
(07:34):
church at four.
I also explained this to him.
It would have been a fly on thewall.
Yeah, there were people whohated that.
The pastor loved it.
He was a very open-minded man.
Well, how did I do to Daylor?
And I'm like no, you're alittle scary and Jesus is about
love, and I don't think youreally hit that on the head
today, you know, at four, youknow, oh, I want to eat too.
(07:57):
So cute.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I have a four-year-old, so I can picture
it very clearly, right, so I canpicture it very clearly, right,
so you can picture.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
The little school marmy girl that was me Also
explained that Adam could havesaid no and didn't have to eat
the apple to my Sunday schoolteacher.
You know those types of things,and not in a challenging way.
It was in a critical thinkingkind of way, and it was very,
very fortunate that I was in achurch that did not condemn you
(08:24):
for being five years old andthinking they would just be like
, wow, that's an interesting wayto look at it, huh.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
And change the subject.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I'm very, very fortunate and it was pre kind of
where the mainstreamevangelicals are today.
It was a non-denominationalchurch and they were kind of
autonomous.
But I left at 13 when thatmovement started to kick up and
I was like I can't be here, thisisn't right, and then went on
(08:58):
to my grandmother, was veryupset with that and she was
Lutheran and she wanted me tocome to her church.
I'm like okay, fine, and Iwasn't that thrilled with that
because I wasn't necessarilyagreeing with the theology I was
hearing and I went to make mygrandma happy and to sing in
church because I was a singerand churches have good music
(09:20):
that's always great music.
But I left at 17 because theywould not feed a homeless person
and I rebuked a congregation onthe steps and had to be carried
off and shoved into a car.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I think we would have been great friends.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, as my grandmother was.
What about your soul?
I'm like, my soul is fine.
You people need to work onyours.
That man just wanted food.
Well, what if he came back?
Isn't that your job?
And so I was very angry, as wetend to be as young people and I
(09:57):
don't think every young personthinks they invented being the
angry young person in search ofjustice.
And it doesn't mean you have tobecome more conservative with
age, it's just.
It's important to also notethat you're not the first one
and I was lucky enough to runinto mentors along the way going
.
You're not the first one andyou don't have to get more
conservative, but you do need towork smarter, not harder.
(10:19):
So I just I journeyed.
Spiritualism came into my waylater, you know, when I went to
England and the spiritualistchurch got thrown into my face
and some of that I wasn'tinterested in.
There were some ceremonies andstuff that were like from the
20s, that were pretty, prettyfunny for this 18-year-old in
(10:44):
1988.
But I couldn't ever get awayfrom spirituality.
I tried, I tried to be anatheist.
I tried, I tried and thenquantum physics came into my
life against my will and itchanged my perspective forever,
(11:06):
and so I would say, I'm aspiritual humanist above all
else.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Oh, that's fascinating.
So you've been a rebel sincethe beginning and I would say
ahead of your time in many ways,because I mean it sounds like
you have a connection from thebeginning and the confidence,
know, speak truth to power andquestion things, and I don't
know where that comes from.
Where do you think it comesfrom?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I don't think it's confidence as in oh I screw up
my courage to do it.
I didn't see any other way ofbeing.
Now that is probably because Iam neuro spicy af.
They did not diagnose thosethings back in the 70s and 80s.
For young people all they knewis I had a high iq.
(11:53):
But you know, now with tiktokI'm like interesting.
Ask my kids so do you thinkmommy's autistic?
they're like yeah mom, how doyou think we got this way?
You, yeah, and so I know peoplewill see it as confidence.
I just see it as this is how Iam, so I think about things and
(12:16):
I talk about things, and what Ithink about comes out of my
mouth, sometimes for good herewe are.
Sometimes it just comes out andpeople aren't happy with it it
is what it is.
Yeah, mention finding quantumphysics quantum mechanics theory
in in university tell me more.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
How did that bridge the gap between everything?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
so I didn't want to take the class.
Once I found out what it wasabout, I signed up for it,
thinking it was going to be anEZA, because it said natural
sciences, and I was like, oh,biology, botany, zoology great.
Because I was an internationalrelations major, minoring in
cultural anthropology, and Icould not drop my GPA further.
I was a scholarship student andmath had already, and math had
(13:01):
already taken it down a littlebit.
And I'm like, oh, and becauseI'm a different thinker, I
didn't do well in my economicsclass either, because I made the
professor cry, so he really didtoo.
So I couldn't afford that.
(13:21):
And I got into the class andthere was this wonderful
professor.
She had many degrees, like.
She had three PhDs, fivemasters, a ton of bachelor's
degrees in everything fromclassical piano to philosophy to
quantum mechanics theory, youknow, I mean from arts to
sciences.
(13:41):
And she had this very thickGermanic accent and Dr Troller,
okay.
And she opened up the classwith Welcome to Quantum
Mechanics Theory.
My hand shoots up, excuse me,excuse me, I'm a liberal arts
(14:03):
major, I'm a humanities major, Ineed to be excused from this
class.
The panic rising, I'm ascholarship student.
And she said oh no, I don't letgirls out of my class.
I do not let women out ofscience classes.
We need more women takingscience.
So she was way ahead of womenin STEM, girls in STEM Okay, I
(14:28):
go to her.
And I am the first woman in mymom's side of the family to go
to college, okay.
So I'm like, ah, I'm going tolet everybody down, I'm going to
fail, I'm going to.
Ah.
And it was.
I went to an expensive school.
It was a very expensive privateschool with a very small
student body, and I chose thaton purpose.
(14:48):
I had the right idealism.
It was based on getting to knowother people from other lot of
different places.
Got to know each other as humanbeings.
We might be able to stop wars.
So that's why I went there.
But I was also with a lot ofkids who had a lot more money
(15:11):
than me and it cost a lot.
So those scholarships were very, very important.
So I went to Dr Troller afterthe class and I begged and I
gave her my sob story and I'm intears you know the full tears
because my life is now over andshe rolled up her sleeve and on
her forearm was a tattoo sinceshe had survived Auschwitz as a
(15:35):
child.
At that point there's noarguing with anybody.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
You really can't.
Well, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, that was it.
And she said come to me, I willhelp you.
And the thing she said beyondthat, to let me know I'd be okay
in the class.
She goes can you imaginesmaller than small?
And I went yeah, can youimagine bigger than big?
Yeah, you'll be fine.
(16:04):
That was her slogan, you'll befine, that was her song, you'll
be fine.
And I was the only person toget an A in that class and it
broke my brain.
My brain hurt, not just in thefront part.
You know how your brain hurtswhen you're learning something
new.
It hurt all the way to the back.
Man, nobody knew about quantummechanics.
Nobody knew about StephenHawking.
(16:24):
It wasn't part of your populardialogue in 1989.
It was not Learned about theHiggs boson.
So, like in 2012, when theyfinally found it, I was dancing
around my living room like, ohmy God, and Higgs got to live to
see it.
But what quantum mechanicstheory did?
Is it confirmed for me thatsense of of being connected to
(16:51):
the rocks and the trees andbeing able to feel energy and
see energy, which I'd beenpushing away?
You know, other than as a smallchild, if I had a spiritual
experience or I saw a deadrelative you know, come out of
my closet or all those things.
It confirmed for me that thatwas entirely possible.
(17:12):
It didn't make me crazy andthere were things we hadn't
studied yet or didn't have theability to measure.
I was still very cautious withit because I saw a lot of
chicanery and charlatans andhucksters out in the spiritual
and religious spaces.
(17:33):
Because it's hard to measure,you can't prove stuff, and so
that more than anything I thinkkind of put me on my pathway
that I'm on now.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I guess in essence it's like the permission slip to
stop gaslighting yourself andstart trusting yourself even
more, Just knowing thatsomething's possible
scientifically.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
That's really cool.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, cause I was alot, I was very logic driven
and to me, a lot of the faith Ihad was logic based.
So I know that sounds weirdbecause they're not supposed to
go together.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
From where I am now right With everything I've been
through it has to go togetherFrom where I am now right With
everything.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I've been through.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
it has to go together , and I think somebody who's
only operating on faith I meanit can get you really far, but
it needs more power grounding.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Well, and then to me.
It also then takes away theseparation from a soul being and
a physical being, because yourvery cells of your body are
ensouled, takes away theseparation from a soul being and
a physical being Because yourvery cells of your body are
in-souled, if you think aboutquarks and neutrinos and bosons,
and they have this animuswithin them that makes them
there, and to be there is to bealive, and those things are
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there wherever there is, thenhow are we not ensouled?
Why would we not be ensouled?
Why do we have to work so hardto think that we have to prove
ourselves to be worthy?
Speaker 1 (19:09):
It's almost like that's a con job, Right.
Exactly Like to be worthy ofsimply being ourselves, just
accepting what is.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Or worthy, worthy of a greater being worthy of a
greater, all that is worthy of agreater God or goddess.
You know, you know.
At that point it's like huh.
I don't know if you had thatmoment where you went.
Huh, I wonder who made moneyoff that idea who's doing well
with that.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I think it was very clear at that point who was
doing well with that.
I don't think I even had thehmm.
I was more like, oh my gosh,this has been going on for so
long, so long.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Since the.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Bronze Age Right Everyone's just been fed to them
.
Everyone's just been fed tothem, but that's well yes and no
.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
I think that's a you have to remember.
It does go back to about 200years, into the bronze age, and
when people are raised andsubjugated, is it really
drinking the Kool-Aid or is itenculturated?
And then, if you're neuro spicy, that shit doesn't get through.
So you're walking around going.
(20:18):
I think there should be a newgame called are you awake or are
you neuro spicy?
Because it's like I walkedaround going.
There must be something wrongwith me.
Why do I see things sodifferently?
Speaker 3 (20:31):
than other people.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I would be really curious yep to see some kind of
scientific study.
If they would start trackingand measuring just the increased
frequency of people quoteunquote waking up and whether or
not they have some kind ofneurodivergence, I'm sure
there's a correlation there.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Fascinating.
Fascinating Because, yeah,you're a little harder.
I mean, on one hand, you couldbe easier to program, depending
on the programming, but on theother hand, you might be
impossible to program, dependingon the programming.
Yeah, because at some pointyou're going to go wait.
When I think about this and itcould be a midnight thought it
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could just be like wait a minute.
Are you sure?
It becomes very practical andthat's not as sexy, as you know.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
the woo-hoo, the meditation and the yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah yeah, you know.
But that's why they call itMaya and Moksha.
It's a Hindu concept and it'sthe illusion.
You know, glamour is Maya, theglamour of the world, the veneer
you know, and then moksha iswhen you can pierce through that
veil and you're aligned.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I see I'm going to have to do more reading after
this.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, do more research on that.
It's an interesting concept,but really it's just being able
to see things for what they are.
But the world operates on theillusion and so in Theosophy
there's a book by Alice Baileyand I know a lot of people don't
like Alice Bailey becausethere's some language in there
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from the 20s, 30s, 40s that isnot as acceptable today.
And I always tell people liftyourself above the cultural
inferences, because nobody wrotewithout that kind of language
back then.
Lift yourself above that andread the energy, read with the
intent of the energy, takeyourself out of the vernacular
(22:28):
and just try to pick out thepearls.
To pick out the pearls, okay,because people are going to
judge us.
Even the most, um, awakened,enlightened people of this
moment, a hundred years from now, young people are going to go
oh, my god, they believed that.
Look at the language they used.
So you know, take a step back,get what you can, yeah, but um,
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even in there there's a bookcalled glamour, a world problem,
and if you read through it youfeel really justified,
especially if you just woke upor you're having an unfolding
and um, and an unfolding is justlike a further awakenings and
understandings.
Right, you're not, you don'tjust get one, there's not just
one.
And then there's no browniebuttons here and you think, oh
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yeah, the world and all itsillusions.
And then they're like yeah, andthen there's an illusion to
being so awakened and if youwant to make a difference as a
world server or a world teacher,you have to step back into it.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Because no one's going to listen to you without
it.
If you're going to do your job,it's like, oh man, and I really
fought that, because I cameinto that in my 30s and I was
like, no, screw that, I'm notgoing to do that.
And did I make any progress?
I would have a few people slipin no-transcript.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
be fully here and do what you came here to do, yeah
that makes sense, yeah, it is agame.
Tell me how, like break downfor me how you found astrology
and how it kind of fit into yourlife.
Like you were a politicalanalyst, you said, right yeah,
two separate lives come togetherand flow together.
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How did that?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
work Well.
Astrology, first of all.
The history of astrology isastrologers were the first
political analysts.
This idea is some spiritualblah, blah blah.
No, astrology was always.
In fact, the average commonperson never had an astrologer.
They didn't even know what daythey were born, that's right.
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So it was always people withmoney and land, and that was
kings, queens, generals,merchants, and this goes back to
the advent.
It was people who had power,had astrologers.
Astrologers could read and werewell-versed in everything from
theology to.
You have to remember, politicsand religion didn't get
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separated until the USConstitution.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Yeah, I'm having so much fun I'm going.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Right, so astrologers were the original political
analysts.
Right, so astrologers were theoriginal political analysts.
But I didn't know that when Ifell into astrology, because I
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had the same misunderstandingsof what astrology was as every
other person who's been exposedto a Linda Goodman Sun sign
begging it matter.
The internet was very new.
I was at an internet cafe.
I was looking for answers.
My life was not going the way Iwanted it to go.
I had checked off all the boxes.
I had done absolutelyeverything you were supposed to
do.
I was an overachiever'soverachiever, and life was
falling apart.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
And when.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
I say life was falling apart.
I meant everything thatmattered to me and it didn't
matter what I touched.
It seemed to crumble For thelisteners, that's Pluto transit.
I was 25.
I was 25 and I had already beento 23 countries, four continents
.
I had graduated from university.
I did a four-year degree in twoand a half years, degree in two
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and a half years.
When I say I was anoverachiever, I was like off the
charts overachiever and I didall of that on my own steam,
meaning my parents never paidfor that.
I paid for that.
I found jobs that took me.
I was tenacious and unrelenting,with a hell of a lot of
willpower, and when everybodyelse would party I'd be laser
focused on my stuff.
(26:56):
Again, more evidence of theneuro spiciness.
But back then it was just isn'tshe interesting?
But anyway, I had had mydaughter and everything was not
working.
She was perfect, but my lifewas falling apart, my marriage
especially.
And this, happily, ever afterthat was supposed to be
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happening was not.
And it didn't matter how much Iloved that person, it didn't
matter how much I believed inthat person.
Their problems were continuingto get worse and it was
substance abuse and um,psychology was not useful.
Back then I had also experiencedsevere amounts of trauma as a
young person, like off thecharts, and had again, through
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willpower, managed to move pastand not deal with stuff.
But that was all coming upbecause I had a small child now
and so I was being triggeredleft, right and center, to the
point.
I didn't even know the wordtriggered because it was just
starting.
It was just starting to comeinto play in the nineties and
astrology I mean psychologysucked back then.
There was this whole.
If you were traumatized, youwere forever damaged, your life
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would always suck, you wouldalways be broken.
You just have to be a survivor.
There was no thriving and Ijust I was like well, no, I
cannot believe in that.
I cannot.
I cannot, because I had hadpsychologists tell me at 15, I
would be forever broken, I wouldend up on homeless, a
prostitute, a drug addict, tryto kill myself or be a
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prostitute or be a lesbian.
I don't know why being alesbian would have been the
worst thing that was in thatcategory, but 1985, right.
Yeah, and even at 15, I was likeI'm none of that now.
Why would I be that anytimeelse in my life, you know?
But what a horrendous thing tosay to a 15 year old yeah.
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And so part of that willpowerthat had been in play was I am
not going to be all the thingsthey told me, but life was
starting to crumble and crack.
So if I'm walking on a floorit's dropping out beneath me and
I can't find, and it's likebeing in a plane that's dropping
at 30,000 feet and then it hitsthe turbulence.
So that's what was going on andI was seeking answers.
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And this was long before Google.
But I'm surfing the web, butI'm getting in there and I'm
looking.
I found this message board andit was called Astro Chat and it
was owned by Jonathan Kaner, theesteemed British astrologer.
I knew who he was because hehad been on the morning shows
and he dressed really funny.
He always had these weird staroutfits, but he had a beautiful
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voice and there was alwayssomething about him that
resonated with me Not really theastrology, but he just seemed
like a very kind person and so Iwas like oh, I liked him on TV
when I was in uni.
I'll go and see what's on thismessage board.
So I asked am I a Cancer orLeah?
Because all the different bookshad different things.
I was well, this can't possiblybe accurate.
(29:58):
Well, none of those booksexplain that the sun ingresses
into different signs ondifferent days every year.
You know so, because it's notabout the calendar date.
Our calendar is off, you know,not as some kind of conspiracy,
as TikTok would have.
You know, it's because peoplecouldn't measure things exactly
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back in the day.
People are like people arelying to us.
No, they did the best they could.
Folks, time itself is made upbecause we don't know the
beginning of it, so we're justgoing to go with assumptions.
But anyway, somebody took pityon me.
Well, actually, no, everybodytook pity on me and gave me
technical answers that I did notunderstand, and in the most
(30:41):
cancerian way possible.
I responded with cut the technocrap and tell me what I am.
Aaliyah wouldn't have asked itthat way.
They would have been likeplease, please.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Aaliyah would been like, please please, leo would
have gone.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Please, please, just tell me who I am.
But the cancer got cranky.
I'm like what the techno crap.
And so William, who became myteacher, my very first teacher,
sent me a message.
A private message said hey,I'll do your chart, I'm going to
send you an email and you seewhat you are.
And so he sent me a 20 pageemail.
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We had no digital footprints.
The stuff in that email thatwas accurate was mind bogglingly
true.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
And nobody else knew.
Some of it, Like this, wasstuff that I never told anybody
and some of it wasn't that bigof a deal, but it was stuff like
yeah, I could see dead peopleMetaphysical message word people
could probably get a 50-50 onthat one, but that I could talk
to animals, Nobody would haveasked me, no, no.
And then other things, and hegot some details.
And he got some of the gorydetails right and things I had
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never told another living soullike ever.
There was no way to know.
And then at the bottom of it hesaid hey, if anyone was born to
be an astrologer, it was you.
I'd love to teach you.
And I said well, my responsewas thank you very much, I will
learn how you did the chicaneryand I will prove it wrong.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Wow Objection.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
I was like there's a logical rational explanation for
absolutely everything.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
And so, what did you?
Speaker 2 (32:26):
find I will find out.
I started studying astrology todebunk it and found out that
effectively it's data science.
That, oh, okay, there's reasons.
This is not this mystical,magical thing.
It's data science pure andsimple, and it depends on your
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knowledge base.
So if you want to be a goodastrologer, you have to know a
lot about a lot of things,otherwise you're just a parrot
regurgitating what other peoplesay, right.
And so if you want to be areally good astrologer, you have
to be a polymath.
You have to have a lot of otherinterests, which sounds like it
was the perfect fit.
(33:09):
It was yeah, and without it, Idon't know that I would be here,
because it's also when we lookat psychological astrology,
because I'm not just a mundaneastrologer, I'm an esoteric
astrologer, I'm a psychologicalastrologer.
I lead with the mundane becauseit's like dangling car keys to
get a baby's attention and Idon't mean that like I'm calling
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people babies.
But it's a noisy world onlineand I'm not going to get the
most attention by talking aboutpeople's spiritual pursuits or
their personalities.
I'm not.
I'm not going to go viral onthat because I'm up against
young people in cute littleoutfit.
(33:53):
I'm not a cute little youngthing.
I'm not going to get thatbenefit.
So I'm going to lead with myexpertise and the accuracy.
So I give predictions andthat's what proves I know what
I'm talking about.
So it's.
But I prefer helping peoplelike you go.
Yeah, listen to yourself.
(34:15):
You want to start a podcast?
Duh, here.
It is black and white, crystalclear, Clear as daylight.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Do it A little extra push, you know.
So yeah, absolutely Talkedbefore about how you've studied
different systems under manyteachers and how you used to do
all the computations by hand.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Oh no, that was just at the beginning.
At the beginning, because backin the 90s, yeah, but
astrologers did used to have tocalculate by hand.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
But versus the people from today who would probably
have no idea how to do that, Ifeel like there is an extra
layer of understanding that youmight have just because you had
the experience of having to doit, at least in the beginning,
is there?
Speaker 2 (35:03):
No, I don't think doing the math by hand makes you
a good astrologer.
I don't.
I think writing the charts outby hand meaning if you just have
a chart blank and you practicewriting your glyphs out that
helps.
There is a school of astrologythat does feel that you'll be a
better astrologer if you doeverything by hand.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
The American Federation of Astrologers would
disagree with me, becausethey're very, very strong on
doing the math.
The math is very important tounderstand.
I think you should be able toconceptualize it, because what I
see in, especially online, ispeople do not understand the
movement of the planets.
They don't understand orbits.
(35:46):
Anybody who says a Saturnreturn lasts three years tells
me exactly what they haven'tstudied in astrology.
It tells me they haven'tstudied astrology at all,
because one Saturn doesn't spendthree years in a sign, it only
spends two and a half years in asign, and that half a year
matters.
And a return is not a process.
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A return is a moment in timewhere a planet returns exactly
to the degree and minute it isin the birth chart and it sets a
divinatory chart.
And people are like that's notthe type of astrology I do.
I'm like, well, except that'sastrology.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
You don't know what you don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Well, but there's also a refusal to learn.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
And I see that a lot, and I've seen it in older
people too.
It's not just young people,I've seen it in older people too
.
Well, no, I just know.
I'm like why don't you justadmit that you haven't studied
it and be open to actuallylearning?
You know, it's okay to say oh,I thought it was that, but I
didn't know I'm going to golearn this that I thought it was
that.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
But I didn't know.
I'm going to go learn this.
That's really hard for a lot ofpeople to do.
They really do enjoy beingright.
I've had to eat a lot of crowin my life.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
So I'm like, oh well, because he'll still
occasionally, william, becausewe've never met in person.
He was in Australia, I was inBahrain, we still have yet to
meet and occasionally there'llbe a message of so proved it
wrong.
Yet I'm like shut up, I waswrong, okay, I was 25.
I thought I knew everything.
(37:20):
I was wrong, okay.
So I think people have tounderstand that it is heady to
find some measure of awakeningand having some light shine in,
but it certainly isn't yourstopping point.
It's your beginning and we alldo it.
I was an arrogant little cur,but I do see this lean into
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expertise people have not yethad.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
I'm grateful you're on TikTok.
I'm grateful you put yourselfout there.
I found you initially becauseJohn Edward, the famous psychic
medium, mentioned you and Itrust anything he says because
same he has a very strongemphasis on logic and evidence
and being grounded here in the3D so.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
I was like, yes, let's go, and I he's a small
brother.
I can honestly say he is myfriend.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
He is my friend.
Oh, that's really cool.
That's really cool.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
He is exactly as cool as you think he is.
He is a very nice man.
He has a very dedicated husbandand father and he is just
absolutely lovely.
He's a very, very good person.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
I've heard nothing but great things about him from
people who know him personally.
That makes me so happy.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
I will just totally validate that he is a very
lovely human being and he's verystraight up.
He is very concerned aboutethics, yes, really cares about
things.
So, yeah, no, he's very cool,his energy.
To me, as just for mepersonally, he feels like that
favorite cousin you see atgrandma's house at Christmas.
So we kind of it's that, oh, Iget to see this person, oh,
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that's so cool.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Yeah, yeah, I love that yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
It's very, very lovely, so cool.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
I mean we could go off there.
Let's bring it back.
So okay, You're 25.
Everything's falling apart.
You find astrology Things startto make sense after you've
already rejected all of it, Didit make enough sense to start
applying it practically in yourown life?
Like what was that timelinelike?
When did it become somethingthat you wanted to do
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professionally, Because you werethe political analyst for so
long, right by trade?
And so what was the timelinethere?
How did that all work?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
Necessity is the mother of invention To me.
I think people try to run withthings too quickly.
You know like I'm teaching anintermediate level class and
people keep trying to ask well,in readings, do you?
And I'm like you're not evenclose to doing readings yet.
You know you need to back offand look at your own chart.
Until you can look at your ownchart and understand you, you
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will be a very little use toanyone else because you will be
projecting and you need to lookat yourself.
So, honestly, I just studied.
I didn't have access to booksbecause there were no books in
the country that I lived in andit was technically not real
legal to do it.
I had already busted throughfirewalls to get the information
and get on there.
It wasn't hard back then.
(40:08):
Okay, you just had to ask on asearch engine.
A better question?
Okay?
Speaker 1 (40:14):
So it's.
I mean, it would have deterreda lot of people.
Let's be real, though, becauseit did.
Many of us are rule followersand some of us are a little bit
more rebellious, and I thinkthat's necessary if you want to
get Well, I knew there weren't.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
I knew I was pretty good busting through where I was
at, cool.
So I got these weekly emails,like they were 20 pages long, I
printed them out on a dot matrixprinter and you know, and I
would study it and so I wasprobably about a year in that
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because, remember, I didn't haveaccess to books, even that were
I could.
Now the internet was full ofmuch better information then.
Much better.
If you can get on the oldtripod sites, the old angel fire
sites, the old geocity sites,there's some amazing
metaphysical information becausethe very people, like everybody
(41:11):
acts like you know, old peoplethat weren't on the internet
yeah, they were the realmetaphysicians were also
technologically very savvy andthere is so much good stuff.
I had mentor.
I had a mentor in his ninetiesand his name was Cosmo, for like
real, that was like his realname, like his birth name was
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Cosmo and he was an astrologer,the irony and he was an Aquarius
, so it was just hilarious.
But anyway, he's the one who hadme yeah, he had me looking at
2020 back in 1997.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
It's like way and a half.
Thank you for that.
So I've heard you mention thatyou have been gearing up for
2020 for so long.
What did you understand?
What were you picking up on?
Speaker 2 (41:52):
So by now, you remember, I found it in 95.
So by 96, 97, I wasunderstanding things at a much
deeper level, and I think it'sbecause I didn't have the books
until 97.
When I traveled outside of thecountry and got them, I was
practically learning from theseemails.
And I would ask my teacher,like okay, I'm a cancer, Should
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I pay attention to the moontransits?
Nobody paid attention to moontransits, Nobody back then.
You know lunar transits.
And so I started tracking and Ilearned I started.
That's what caused me to dopractical application, because I
treated it like a science.
Okay, I'm going to observe, seewhat happens, record the
information, see if it happensagain.
(42:40):
Is it replicating what's goingon?
And so by 97, I was actuallyalready very good because I was
reading charts every day.
I was applying things.
I was noticing.
I read for friends.
At that point I did not do itprofessionally yet.
And when he tossed me and hetossed it to me in like 96,
might've been after my son wasborn, because my youngest was
born in 96.
He tossed me 2020.
And I knew enough to bedangerous at that point.
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And 2020 looked like the worldwas ending and I was terrified.
I knew we were in for massivesystemic change that the world
would somehow stop, which, in 96, 97, was global thermal nuclear
war.
That was the only potential youcould think about.
You know and I'm a Gen Xerthat's what we were raised with.
You know, I did not.
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I lived so close to a nucleartarget as a kid that we didn't
even have duck and cover drills.
Oh my gosh, they like you got 15minutes.
Good luck, you know.
Wow, yeah, they were like youhave 15 minutes.
What are you going to do?
And there's kids going?
I'll run to the mountain.
I'm like I'm going to runtowards the blast because, man,
we ain't got no shot.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
You know, that's where I was at as a 14-year-old,
I was like no yeah, butsurvival, we had to, and so I'm
looking at that.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
I have two small children, you know, and I'm like
, oh my God, how do we get there?
And it nearly drove me crazytrying to figure it out.
I had to put down mundaneastrology for a while and just
focus on needle astrology andesoteric astrology.
And just focus on natalastrology and esoteric astrology
, because looking out at thefuture out of context was
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driving me insane.
It really was the fear for mychildren and going why the hell
did I give birth?
I felt so strongly about havingkids Because I wanted to be a
mom so badly.
I was right at six years old, Iwanted to be a mom.
I didn't want a husband.
I was correct in thatassessment.
Some of me knew.
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Eventually, I just raised mykids to understand a lot of
different things.
I gave them medieval skills.
I gave them.
If all technology went awaytomorrow, this is how you start
a fire.
This is how you spin yarn orthread.
This is how you make somethingout of the yarn or thread.
This is how you chop down atree.
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This is how you build withoutpower tools.
This is how you cook on a fire.
And we lived rurally and we hadenough bad weather that
sometimes we had to use thoseskills anyway.
So my kids are very, verywell-rounded and they're very
aware and pay attention to theworld around them.
They were not always thrilledabout that and, like Jesus Mom,
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we don't need to be hyper-aware.
I'm like I disagree.
I think you're going to need itmore as we go along, because
2020 was not the only time ofchange.
It set off a detonation forchange over time.
So people do not understand howthings work because of how you
were taught history.
(45:45):
You were taught history inchapters, so you believe there's
a beginning and an end tothings.
There's not a beginning and anend.
It is a connected series ofevents.
If you look at the currentworld conflicts, it doesn't just
go back to the 19th century.
It goes back to the 10thcentury.
It goes back to two centuriesinto before common era.
(46:08):
If you study history properlyand most people don't learn that
because they don't teachhistory properly they teach
history as propaganda.
So we are in enduring change.
Do we need to be afraid of it?
I think we need to be cautious,but I don't think fear is
necessary.
I think because fear isdebilitating.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
That's a message that I've really appreciated from
you over the years, and thatit's not useful to be afraid and
catatonic at home.
It doesn't help anyone.
It's all about communityorganizing and support and being
sustainable in your practices,and I think that's so important.
I mean outside of astrology,but I think people are so quick
(46:51):
to give their power away toastrologers, to psychics, to
mediums, to whoever, becausethey're they don't.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
It's a continuation of of having been inculturated
in a church or a synagogue or amosque.
It's just giving your poweraway.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
That's so true.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
People just do that.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Yeah, but do you?
See it changing Cause I do.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
I think, some I think the more we educate.
Yeah, there's a thirst forknowledge, there's a thirst for
retaining your own.
I think it just depends onwhere people are at.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Obviously, everybody's different and just
with the whole 2020 set off, Ithink we're just barely starting
and at the beginning ofwhatever it is of this world
that we're creating now, right?
Is that something that you?
Speaker 2 (47:32):
see, it was a bigger.
I see a bigger awakening coming.
Yeah, I think people need to becareful of hubris, because
there were other awakeningsbefore that 2012 was a big
awakening, 2008 was a bigawakening, 2002 was a big
awakening, and so on, and so on,and so on, and so on, and so on
, and so on, and so on, and soon, and so on, and so on, and so
(47:53):
on, and so, on, and so on andthere's hubris.
The problem is, being awake isnot enough, and I talk about
this a lot, as you know.
Waking up, what do you do?
You wake up every morning.
What do you do with your day?
How many people misspend theirdays, and are they really
misspending it?
It's not up to us to judge whatsomebody does with their day.
(48:18):
Maybe you need a day you'revegetating, maybe you need a day
where you're just sitting andwatching TV, but some days you
drink two cups of coffee and offto the races you go.
So I think there's a lot ofhubris in being awake.
I think a lot of people thinkthat's all there is to it.
What are you going to do withit?
And so that's where I getworried, because that's where
people are like follow me, Iknow everything, I have the
truth, the way, the light, andit's like eh, do you.
(48:43):
Yeah, so people need to developtheir own discernment, people
need to develop their ownunderstandings and learn, and I
think people also like to handtheir power away to a certain
degree, because then they don'thave to be responsible.
Yeah, and if you're reallyhonest with yourself, like when
you really start getting honestwith yourself, you'll be like oh
(49:04):
yeah, it was really easier toblame somebody else than to take
responsibility.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
So much easier, so much more fun.
So, I mean, just the get out ofjail free card is just so much
more comfortable than actuallysitting in your own shit, isn't
it, isn't it?
Yeah, yeah, so let's take itback to parenting then, With all
of the things that we justtalked about, to the 3D skills.
How did you nurture that inyour own kids?
Nurture being awake Like theirown autonomy, yeah, their own,
(49:31):
awakening their own.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
Oh, that's hard because it's hard, you know,
because as a parent, not only doyou have legal obligations and
there is societal expectationsand your kids have to be able to
function in the world.
I I was really fortunate, I'vebeen very fortunate in the
teachers that have showed up inmy life in every realm, and one
(49:54):
of those was H Stephen Glenn PhD, who was the founder of
Resiliency Studies in 1971.
And he had a program calledDeveloping Capable Young People.
It was actually DevelopingCapable People but people
couldn't get grants, otherwisewe didn't put young in it,
because obviously childrenaren't young, people aren't
(50:15):
people at all, unless you putyoung in front of it.
But anyway, I ended up fallinginto his training and into his
sphere, because the place Iwanted to volunteer at made
everybody take this course bythe third of 10 weeks in of just
them facilitating this course,I said, how do I meet him?
How do I get trained?
And he was an amazing man andso I applied a lot of that skill
(50:40):
building and communicationstyles to raising my kids and it
made it hard for them as adultsbecause they were raised to
have good communication, theywere raised to think critically.
They were raised so it's hardto function as an adult and I
also did not helicopter parentand that made them mad at me
(51:00):
because everybody else's parentswere, you know, wiping their
asses and taking them to jobinterviews and I was like I will
drive you there and I willpractice with you, but you damn
well better be able to stand onyour own two feet.
And I did not believe inparticipation trophies in that
(51:21):
way either.
I believe on merit and becauseit does not help you Now, I also
don't believe in dog eat dogcompetition either.
I think that's unnecessary.
But how do you know you're goodat anything if you do not have
the opportunity to fail?
It is a privilege to be able tofail and I teach a lot of young
(51:43):
people today.
I teach a lot of astrologyclasses, and the fear of being
wrong is visceral and I'm likeguys, you will not die, you will
not have any problems.
Being wrong isn't going to killyou.
Just what do you think thismeans?
Let's explore.
What do you think it means?
(52:04):
And the silence, and that youcould see that I started to well
up with tears on the video andI'm like it's okay, it's okay to
be wrong, it's okay.
I worry about our future withthis fear of being wrong,
because that will drive us off acliff faster than anything else
.
I'm like no, no, no, no.
We lose innovation and it's away to control people.
(52:26):
So I didn't do that and my kidsstill get mad at me today.
They'll be like you didn't dothis.
I'm like you're welcome.
Did you learn how I love?
Yeah, did you learn how?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and the stuffthat I did wrong, you know, and
they're like wow, that reallytraumatized me.
I'm like ooh, yeah About that.
Oops, sorry, but did you diefor therapy?
(52:49):
Yeah, so cause no one's perfectno one is, no one is, no one is,
no one is, no one is.
And the parts I feel bad aboutare the parts where I was having
to heal from trauma and was notthe funnest person to be around
.
And you know that's where I'mlike absolutely double the money
for therapy, some money foryour therapist, some money for
you, and you could just can beno contact with me for a while
(53:13):
if that's necessary.
You know it's like I've alwaystold the kids if you need to go,
no content, no contact for yourwell-being.
Because I was an early adopterof that in my own life which is
very hard to do when you're acancerian but I didn't talk to
my parents for years and yearsand years and years and years
and years, because it made me anineffective parent.
And I told my kids if at anytime you have, you don't even
(53:34):
have to tell me, you don't haveto give me a reason.
If that's what you need, do it,Because perceptions are unique
and individual and we don'talways have to agree on
everything.
I may have had my reasons forsomething or I may have been
batshit crazy at the time.
So you know there was a lotthat went on.
I think that's important.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
Strong dose of honesty and humor and humility
goes a long way in all of it, ohyeah.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
In all of it and it sucks to have to own up to stuff
.
Oh, it's the worst.
I'm being silly and using humor, but there's nothing worse than
, you know, looking at your kidrepattern something because you
thought you'd get all of thosefamily patterns and you watch
them repattern something.
You showed them, you know, wentthrough the codependency,
(54:22):
through whatever, and you'relike fuck you know that it hits
right in the heart, and so, butguess what?
You're never going to get itall, and it's never your job to
heal everything either.
Speaker 1 (54:34):
Yeah, I think actually that's really important
because there's so many peoplethat are, like you know, feeling
like they have the answers Backto that hubris idea.
I think they take it uponthemselves to heal the entire
lineage and change the game foreveryone and it's In a way you
know that they want to step upand do the work.
(54:55):
But also it is a little bitegotistical to think that you
could ever solve all theproblems yourself.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
Right.
Speaker 1 (55:02):
You know, without the understanding, that you're just
one piece of the puzzle.
You know I think there's anelement of grace, too, that we
could give ourselves yeah a tonamount of grace, like give
yourself a semi-trux width, okaythe long way.
Speaker 2 (55:17):
It's an indication of trauma to think you could heal
all of those.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
Because, as somebody who was traumatized, how much
responsibility did you take forbeing the problem or being the
one who was strong enough totake it?
So why would it ever be yourjob to heal something that much
bigger than you?
Yeah, and that's hard to know.
That's hard to know and we alldo it, especially those of us
(55:46):
who took a lot.
It took me a long time to learn.
Just because I can doesn't meanI have to.
Just because I can bear a largeamount of burden, just because
I do have a strong will, doesnot mean I have to take on as
much for other people and I'mrobbing them of their own
(56:06):
experiences.
Pain is not a problem.
People need to stop shying awayfrom pain.
It is part of being human andit's a signal.
Something needs to change.
And if you're trying toalleviate other people's
suffering and I'm not talkingabout there's a big difference
between psychological sufferingand discomfort and seeing
(56:27):
somebody who absolutely does nothave food, clothes, salt or
water, or somebody who is in avery deep, there's a big
difference.
Yeah, okay, we often treat themthe same.
This person is strugglingpsychologically.
You know I need to give themeverything, or they can have
their experience, and that canbe.
(56:48):
It can make you look like areal asshole when you go there.
Speaker 1 (56:52):
It's true, it's true, the guilt is very programmed
and very real.
In the interest of givingpeople something actionable to
do, because I feel likeeveryone's going through it
lately, just thing after thingafter thing, and then, of course
, with the global context makingeverything so loud, is there
any piece of advice that youcould give people that they can
(57:15):
actually take action on?
Whether it's energy, takeaction on whether it's energy,
whether it's astrology, whetherit's learning about the history
and whatever?
What are some action steps thatpeople can be taking instead of
just sitting in their roomafraid?
Speaker 2 (57:25):
Get out of your head.
Do something physical.
Go wash dishes.
Go take a walk.
Learn how to crochet.
Learn how to spin yarn on adrop spindle it's the cheaper
version and it's OG.
Learn how to tie dye t-shirts.
Bake some cupcakes.
Go garden.
(57:46):
Go buy some water and hand itout to people who are houseless.
Do something.
Do something, but get out ofyour head and stop being a damn
keyboard warrior.
Amen.
Stop watching things.
If you see again, if there'ssomething that is bothering you
out in the world and there'splenty that can bother you then
(58:08):
do something about it.
Sharing and what have you is aminor something you can donate.
You can find people in yourlocal area making a difference,
but I'm sorry.
It took a lot of very graphicvideos for people to understand
something that had been going onfor quite some time, and I can
guarantee you there is that andworse going on in the world that
(58:32):
you are not seeing, and I'msorry it took visuals for you to
become aware, I know.
However, there's a lot of goodstuff too.
There's a lot of good stuff.
There are a lot of peoplestepping up.
I have so much hope.
I have never seen so manypeople coming together from so
many different walks of life tosay, wow, as human beings we
(58:53):
should be doing better than this.
That's giving me so much hopebecause, again, not new
situations to me.
I am like thrilled.
I look at young people and Ithink, oh my God, look how smart
they are, look howcompassionate they are, look how
empathetic they are.
Yeah, they got hubris.
Yeah, they got ego.
I was an arrogant little curtoo, so it's okay.
I find it cute and funny.
(59:14):
I just don't want people to, not.
I want people to feel okaybeing wrong.
Make a mistake today and own it.
Do something wrong on purpose.
Tie your shoes the wrong wayand make a mess of the knot that
you have to entangle, practiceand just know it's not all on
your shoulders.
Collective means collective andyou are part of a collective.
(59:36):
It's not all on your shoulders.
Collective means collective andyou are part of a collective.
It's not all on you.
That is arrogance.
Check yourselves.
The world isn't in your hands,but it is, it is and it isn't.
It matters.
It matters not out there.
(59:56):
Make some friends, do something, get some sunshine, get the
vitamin D.
I don't believe technology isthe problem.
I don't believe screen time isthe problem, but I do believe
because I think the internet was.
I know what the internet wasinvented for.
It was invented to make usconnect as human beings.
That's what it was invented for.
The corporations got a hold ofit in the mid 2000s and made it.
The old internet was amazing.
Bring it back, be radical, andthat doesn't mean just saying
(01:00:20):
whatever you want to say.
That's like go be nice tosomebody.
Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
You know that's even more radical.
Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Yeah yeah, go be nice to somebody.
Go, just, I give, and so doesjohn edward, because we've done
it at the same time and we'veI've noticed him and me do the
same thing on tic tac randomvideo and we'll compliment
somebody because he and me dothe same thing on TikTok random
video.
And we'll compliment somebodybecause he and I were the same
age.
We're just months apart in ageand we come from a similar
(01:00:45):
spiritual training and part ofthe radicalness in our training
is go be nice, do something nice.
We also don't put up withbullshit, but go be nice, treat
someone with kindness.
It costs you nothing and itisn't about taking on their
suffering, trying to take awaytheir pain.
Because you're an empath, guesswhat?
(01:01:06):
As an empath, it's your job toshield and I know people don't
like to hear it.
They're like she is so mean.
Well, I'm not your littlefriend.
Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
We need that real talk though.
We need that real talk if we'regoing to survive the next few
years at all.
You know, in the best casescenario we don't have time to
be playing our little violins inthe dark.
We just don't.
Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
No, we don't, we have shit to do we don't, we do not.
We have a lot of shit to do,yeah, and you have to be willing
to know that, that noteverything you do is going to
work.
Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Yeah, but does that mean that you stop?
Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
trying.
No, you keep going.
And I cannot count the amountof times I've failed, and failed
in front of my children, to thepoint where they thought mom
was just a dreamer, you know,because I would try and try and
try and didn't have the supportsystems in place.
To the point where I blew mylife up when I was 48 years old
(01:01:56):
and I went well, if I'm notgoing to have the support boom,
I'm going to go do it by myselfand then build support
structures around me from there.
And it looked crazy and Ilooked like a very selfish
person, but it worked and that'swhy I'm where I'm at today.
And it was very scary and I hadpeople going oh my God, what if
(01:02:16):
you fail?
I'm like I've failed before.
Well, what if you end up on thestreet?
It's fine, I'll be okay, andI'd be like that's.
You know, it got to that point.
I was like, well, I'd rather beon the street than compromised,
so I'm going to go do this.
You know it's serious whenyou're like I don't care, yeah,
and I knew I had to be ready for2020, and it looked crazy.
(01:02:39):
And then, oh, here we are.
2025 isn't much better, it'svery intense and it starts out
intense and we're looking at alot of climate issues and some
black swans.
There's stuff.
Even an experienced astrologer.
I can't necessarily tell youexactly what's coming down.
(01:02:59):
I can tell you we will seeclimate issues that we've never
seen.
I think we're going to seewater like we haven't seen it in
our lifetimes.
There's a lot coming, but ifyou sit there clutching your
pearls and go, oh no, what aboutme?
Constantly?
I'm not talking about having amomentary pity party.
Everybody gets to have those.
I have moments where I sit andbawl my eyes out.
(01:03:22):
Everybody has that moment, butI'm talking consistently.
I have no time for it.
Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
No, I don't have the patience for it either.
Scorpio rising perhaps.
Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Yeah, right, yeah, we're both Scorpio rising.
So it's like come on, put yourbig girl panties on, and let's
do this already, right?
Oh, you wear tidy whities.
We'll put the big girl pantieson anyway I have a spare, oh,
well, I've got grandma sizedones, but anyway, I.
Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
I am here for the grandma sized ones.
They're more comfortable.
Anyway, I need to thank you,lori, for following your
intuition and putting yourselfout there and starting the awake
space, because it is such acomfort for me and it keeps me
going.
Every day.
I'm in your Patreon, I'm aproud member, I tell everyone
about you and I'm just sograteful.
Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Thank you so much, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Thank you for coming on.
Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Thank you so much for being a patron and I'm proud of
you.
Look at you.
Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Thank you High five High five, girl High five To my
soul level human listeners.
Thank you for already followingthe intuition to tune in today,
and I'm so excited foreverything that's in store for
all of us on this journeytogether.
I hope this episode has sparkedyour curiosity, inspired you to
dig deeper and shown you thatmagic, awareness and soul level
(01:04:40):
tools are for everybody Not justpsychics or mediums, but normal
, everyday humans just like you.
If you've enjoyed this episode,please leave us a comment or
review, share with a friend andsubscribe for more soul level
conversations.
Until next time, remember thatyou are a courageous soul who
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came here on purpose and it'stime to step into the human you
came to be.
You don't have to do this alone.
I'm Sylvia Beatrice, and thisis Soul Level Human.
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