February 2, 2025 • 33 mins
List to Shari and John talk meeting for the first time, business, arguing, traveling, and more!
On the podcast today Shari, SpearmintLOVE's CEO, and her husband John, the CFO, are joined with cohost Alicia!
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Welcome back to Spill with Spearman. We have Sherry and her husband John who
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happens to be our CFO. John is a professional podcaster. No I am hardly a
professional podcaster. Welcome to Spill with Spearman. Thank you for having me.
First time. Yes indeed. This is my third. You are a pro. I am a pro. I told Alicia
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this morning that this is not a natural. Alicia and Yulia were on the podcast with
me. I said this is not a natural thing for me. I still get nervous talking on
camera let alone talking in a enormous black microphone that's an inch away from
my lips. It's nerve-racking. I was the kid who always chose the oral book report.
Really? Yes. If I had a choice between a written book report and an oral book
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report every single time. John is annoyingly not nervous about anything
public speaking. He is one of those freaks of nature that feel I feel like
you never get anxiety about anything. Oh well. Money? No. I have near crippling
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anxiety about many things but public speaking and sharing my opinion is
not one of them. So anything like people related because you're very outgoing.
Yeah so I came to a conclusion a really long time ago which is if I'm willing to
talk about something usually it's something that I know an awful lot about
and the likelihood that someone's gonna be able to call bullshit is pretty low.
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So I felt comfortable talking about those things and then everything else
that I don't know anything about I just avoid and it makes life really simple
and then you can speak about anything. But you're also not fearful about eyes on
you. No. Like I don't want any eyes on me. Like I would rather sit in a corner and
have nobody see me. John I would say you'd like to be seen. But meanwhile you
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have a million Instagram followers. It's not a good strategy for not being seen. Just saying.
That's not a natural like instinctive thing for me to speak on camera or
speak on a microphone like a podcast but I'm sure I'll get used to it. Yeah.
So well working I work very closely with John and Sherry for different things
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sometimes together on things sometimes separately but you guys have a lot of
things in common and you have a lot of things that are like very different from
each other and I've like seen you disagree a lot. Disagree? Never. It's a very kind way to say that.
What are the biggest things that you guys like disagree about like at home
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and like non business related things? So we had this conversation last night and I
think Sherry tried to do it in a really thoughtful delicate way and it wound up
being slightly less thoughtful and delicate but was like it was like
staying in lanes right and so we do have lanes like I cannot do what Sherry does
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with product right her eye for color her eye for patterns she's things she sees
things that I will never see and I think she would agree that like I see patterns
and data and and opportunities that way that she probably will never see. Where
we disagree there's a lane that's contested and the contested lane is
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marketing. We have very different views about how marketing is supposed to work
and that is definitely like a powder keg for us because we clash over like how
our marketing should work. Is that a fair statement? Well I think market
there's two parts of marketing there's an analytical data-driven mathematical
side of marketing and then there's like a creative marketing that's a very
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visual. So I feel like I do the creative visual side and John should stick to his
lane in the data-driven mathematical side. I agree with that but the problem
is sometimes they touch and that's kind of like touching two electrical wires
right there there are usually sparks when there are touches around that that
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point but other than that we get along pretty well I think. Yeah I mean what
work-related like I think that when you start sneaking over into my lane then I
get a little irritated and yes yeah and I like to push you out. And she likes to
say she stays out of my lane but that's largely well wait hold on but but that's
partly because like I do things like taxes which no one tries to sneak in
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your lane when you're the guy who does taxes or like insurance renewals has
anyone ever tried to fight you with helping me with the insurance renewal
Alicia? Has everyone tried to rip that out of your hand saying how come she
gets to do insurance renewals every year? No one says that. I would love for that to happen.
Absolutely no one says that. So nobody wants that John. So I have yeah exactly by the way I made my
career on like taking all the shitty stuff no one else wanted to do so if
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you're a young person out there and you're trying to like grow in a career
in a corporate environment in particular go out and seek like all
the shitty jobs no one else wants to do. It's a really good way to move up in a
company because first of all people will think you're crazy and second there won't
be a lot of competition for it so you'll be able to shine really quickly there so
anyway that's a pro tip but that we don't get a lot of crossover it's really
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just the marketing thing. Yeah I think we've gotten better at working together
but we still have our moment. Do you remember that one time we were in Greenway?
I don't know Alicia. I remember we had such a blow-up argument. We did. At that
time we were all working in one big warehouse. It was awkward for everyone.
Like we were screaming at each other I think John did John walk did you walk up
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and get out of there? I think you left. No actually I think you left. Oh maybe. It
was unclear whether you were ever coming back but yeah we we haven't done that in
the very long time. No yeah it was really bad. Yeah it was really bad. I think we're better now.
We are but look I I'm not gonna joke you know working with your spouse in the
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early days in particular is really really hard but I think we have we've
worked really hard at getting better at it but I don't think we'll ever be like
perfect where you know we never have disagreements or butt heads like that
yeah that's I always joke I say I'm married and it's a real marriage which
means that you actually argue and don't agree on everything. Yeah I think we we
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we don't have a false sense for reality we know we're gonna have like I would
never say we're never gonna have another work argument but I'm sure we will. I
think they're less I don't know they're just more tame now. Yeah. Like neither of
us I don't know maybe sometimes I blow up a little bit but I think neither of us
blow up like we used to. No I look actually here's something I can call out
like you've made a super big effort like the last two or three months because
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you've been listening to podcasts and getting rid of toxic things in your life
but like you've really made a concerted effort I think and I've noticed it and
that's certainly helps from my side and the other thing I think we have a lot of
common goals to your point like so like we love travel like we're super
motivated from a work perspective we want to be successful like it's not like
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we have a lazy one and a hard-working one we're both like you can't when you
work like when you work with a spouse you can't have different goals. No. If you
can have different interests but the ultimate end goals have to be aligned or
there's no way it'll work. No like zero. There's way too much stress if you don't
have the same goals and just wouldn't it just wouldn't work. Yeah and then we also
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are super comfortable like having hobbies like cars like for instance you're you've
been very clear yeah you have no interest in cars where I do like so I
have certain things that you that I have interest in and I'm sure you have plenty
of things that I have no interest in. Like handbags. Yeah I don't carry a lot of
handbags. What about reading because I know that's always been something that
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you guys differ on a lot but I saw in your stories that you're starting to
read a little bit. I watched my stories last night. So obviously I've changed a
lot since I moved into the new house I'm trying to like live a much more much
less toxic lifestyle with like products but also like my mindset I'm trying to
make less toxic and so one of my biggest problems right now is I can't sleep.
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And so I like I'm trying all these new things one of which is reading hour. I
don't know why I call it reading hours. Yeah it's like reading minutes. I say I'm
gonna read ten minutes every night before I go to sleep. I'm on night going
into night three so it's going really well so far. But I'm no Johnson he wants
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to do it with me. So I did last night was our first reading hour like
husband-and-wife reading hour. How did how did you like it? It was good actually
like I am a big reader and I like reading so we've always watched shows
together we're watching Landman right now which is awesome but it was actually
kind of cool for me to actually have ten or fifteen minutes at the end of the
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night to read and I picked up something that I wouldn't have otherwise read.
And I'm gonna tackle that and see if I can tackle that in the week and it'll be
cool. So one of the things they said about reading before bed is it
calms your mind and which will in turn lead to a better night's sleep. But I
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haven't had that yet. But I'm gonna keep I'm gonna keep going because obviously
this is only gonna be night three. But I'm hoping to like notice a difference.
Hopefully your eight sleep day that shows you some progress. It didn't this morning.
I was a C student on my eight sleep this morning. Yes. Which drives me nuts.
I was never a C student so it literally drives me nuts. And it drives her nuts because I
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kick her ass. I know he's like I got an A in my sleep last night. I was a 96 last night.
He's so good at it. I'm so jealous. I'm a good sleeper but I was not always a good
sleeper. So not unlike Sherry my mind runs a mile a minute and so I've
really had to train myself. I actually have a really specific protocol where
when I put my phone down at the end of the night and they say I'm going to
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sleep I'm only allowed to think about one thing which is how comfortable my
bed is. And so I'll start thinking about today's ROAS really sucked or like all
these different things right or you know cash or whatever. And the second that I
feel myself starting to have those thoughts I just bring myself back to
wow my bed is like the most comfortable bed on earth. And I just just keep
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thinking that. And I've gotten pretty good about breathing. I think breathing
really helps so if you're struggling with sleeping. Breathing. Like slowing your breathing.
Yeah exactly. And so last night I was reading Eckhart Tolle's book and
I think reading something like that as opposed to like you know reading
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something like World War II yo invasion kind of book. It's probably better for
for sleep inducing as well. So pick books that are supportive of your sleep
habit. You know not like some like horror movie kind of book or something like that.
Yeah this is literally the first book that I well actually I shouldn't say
that. I read I'm not done with it but I started reading Arnold Schwarzenegger's
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book about two years ago. I haven't finished it. And before that I think it was
Anna Karenina. Yes. Which I started reading when we went to Iceland. Correct.
Which was before we were married. Yes like 20 years ago. Yeah I didn't finish
that one either. So like I literally I'm gonna really try to finish a book but
yeah it's been like two decades since I've read a book. And Lecia knows
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this is true because she's bared witness to this but I have like 3,000 books at the
house. So many. And Sherry has like three. And I'm just not a reader. Kind of funny.
My mind. There are so many here. Yeah I do. Well I don't have I've never actually had enough
room to have all my books in one place. It's a dream of mine actually and if
everything goes according to plan I will build an actual two-story library in the
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back of the house where in the new house we bought. So and then I will finally
once have all of my books in one location. How are you guys liking the
new house? Love it. Love it. It's so much more space. It's kind of like living with
our kids with a connected hallway but we're in separate apartments. Yeah. Which
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is super awesome when you have teenagers. Yeah as they're getting older. Yeah. And
it's good it's both good for us and it's good for them. It gives them space.
They're building their independence and but we also don't have to hear like all
the stuff we used to hear at the old house from them you know video games or
you know Harper and our friends or whatever. It's they have their own laundry
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room and they both are doing their own laundry. It's amazing. It's so cool. Yes. It
feels so nice. It's so much less work for me. Yes I've always done my own laundry
so Shari but Shari was she would do hers and the kids and so like
offloading that's been really nice. Yeah I actually think Harper likes it too
because she can wash something if she needs it right away. It's right absolutely
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right outside her room so I think she really likes it. It's funny the first time she did
laundry I guess I had left I don't normally do this I'm almost start my
laundry and finish my laundry kind of guy I do not like leave things in the
lawn in either the washer or the dryer but I left a load of socks in the dryer
and I came home one day and she just thrown them all over the floor. I was
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like you couldn't find the laundry bin or you couldn't find like a laundry
basket and like take it to the room or she just literally threw them all over
the floor. I was like all right we're gonna have to teach about laundry etiquette. So
yeah I'm sure that changes like your whole dynamic of like parenting since
Harper is driving and they're on the other side of the house now. Correct. It's
completely different. Yeah it just makes it's been a big change. Yeah it's been
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the biggest change I think. Yeah. Since they were little because there's you
feel like there's so much you see them so much less first of all and then you
especially her and then it's just weird to feel like there's three drivers in
the house it's just a weird feeling. Plus she's working which was really kind of
funny because like we have you know like most people I'm sure we have a ring
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doorbell so we see like people coming up to the house and one day Sherry and I
were at the Suns game and I get a notification and the the uber eats or
door-dash guy shows up and Harper got Rex a Dr. Pepper and like some skittles or
something like that and she got whatever she got for herself and Sherry and I are
like so anti door-dash uber eats because like we just think it's
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exorbitantly expensive and we're just inherently cheap that way and so we
called Harper out on it and literally the first words out of a rouse was I use
my own money. She's like I'm shutting that down right now I use my own money.
She's working a lot. She is she's working really hard and proud of her. Yeah she just
got a new job she is now a hostess at a restaurant. Is she doing
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busing too? I think she might be doing busing. Yeah they're gonna move her up to
busing and then eventually she'll be a server so she's you know but she's very
she's very motivated as an employee. She's done very well in her first job
and now in this one as well. After her first job she went a week without a job
and she told all her friends that she was unemployed. Currently unemployed.
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And by that Friday she had made a resume and had three job interviews.
Her last day of work was on a Monday. Good for her. By that Friday she had
three or four job interviews. Her first one was on Saturday and she got the job on the spot.
So she literally went from Monday to Saturday currently unemployed and now
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she's currently employed. Yeah so she's very financially motivated I would say.
Not that surprising. Yeah they'll know where she gets it from.
The other thing she's super motivated and she's always been this way is she's
super independent. Like even when she was a little kid with the bottle like I
would try to hold the bottle and she would rip it out of my hands she's like
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no I'm gonna hold that. So she's been that way from the get-go.
Yeah speaking of her motivation and drive that I'm sure she got from both
of you guys. I would describe both of you guys as a power couple because of your
guys's drive and motivation for all the things that you guys do in your business.
Was that part of like when you guys met each other did you guys see that in each
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other right away and is that part of what attracted you guys to each other?
I don't think I had I think I was a different person when I met you.
The answer for me is yes. I saw something in her instantly so it was it was a
really funny conversation which had nothing to do with that but the story
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that got me super interested was her experience living abroad in Spain and
her telling the story how it changed her life. So I do not do well with people who
are delicate for lack of a better word. I like people who can savor life's
challenges and figure things out and are super motivated to do things and when
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she told the story about what it was like and how she went there and you know
how what an enormous adjustment was and how it changed her life I was like wow
this this girl's different and that was a that was a really interesting thing
for me and then we have another famous conversation but why don't you talk
first about the first meeting thing and then I'll tell I want to tell one of the
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story which is kind of funny. I mean I don't have a lot to add to that I mean
you obviously were really successful me not so much. I was kind of living just
like paycheck to paycheck and I just I grew up really thinking that like there
are really wealthy people there are middle-class people and there are poor
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people and I was like a middle-class person and I just thought like you know I
just didn't really have a chance to move to the the wealthy side. Like I was just
like middle-class that I'm gonna be middle-class. I met John. John was like
pretty successful. You were what 35 when I met you. I was
27. John's eight years older than me and yeah I thought he was super motivated
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and much different than me but I still had something in me that like like we
were gonna go hiking on a mountain like I was gonna get to the top. Yeah. So I
still had that side of me but I feel like professionally I was not necessarily
successful or motivated at that time. Would you say that's accurate? Yeah that's
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accurate and it's a good segue into like one of so we've had like two seminal
conversations in our lives which have like changed a lot for us and they are
often emotion-filled shall we say. So the first one was shortly after we met I
took I had taken a job I was already there in San Jose California and I was
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CEO of a 250 million dollar company. I was 35 years old and it was a big job
and it was a company that was going through a corporate restructuring which
means it was a shit job and you know Sherry came out and moved in with me you
know probably within three to six months of us meeting and I saw, Sherry's right,
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I absolutely saw something in there. She had a unique eye. She had a perspective
that was very different than everyone else's which was one of the things I
was really attracted to and so one day she wasn't doing anything yet she hadn't
taken a job and she was you know she was my partner in life and we would go to
dinner and have fun but I was like. He's being nice. I would like sleep till 2 p.m.
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He would go to work. He's being nice. So I came home one night I remember we were
walking to the Borders bookstore at Santana Row in San Jose and I said
probably exactly this way why don't you just do something do anything. He was an
asshole and that was exact words to use because you're such an asshole and it
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but the next day I came home and she was selling clothes on eBay. Well I wasn't
selling I got eBay for dummies. Yeah you got so she bought the book eBay for
dummies that's right and then within a week we had a mannequin named Sinead. We
did have a mannequin named Sinead. As in Sinead O'Connor for those of you who are older than us.
We walked down the stairs and scared the shit out of you every morning. Every night. We thought there was someone in the house.
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So scary. And so she built a relationship with was it free people? Urban Outfitters.
Oh the Urban Outfitters manager and she would like say okay if you're gonna mark
stuff down call me first and I'll come and buy all it. Well we lived in a
community where I could just walk to Urban Outfitters and so like one day I
went in there and like they had a rack of stuff that was a dollar 99. I was like
dollar 99 I could sell this for 9.99. So I started buying I would bring garbage
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bags full like I would fall off clothes home from Urban Outfitters and the guy
would be like do you want to come to the back room and buy the rest of it? I'd be
like sure. Yeah. And then I sold it on eBay. That was my that was my do anything
job. Yeah. Where you were a complete asshole and I was like fine. She was actually really good at it.
She was really good and she took great pictures and she was good at the
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listings and the part that I didn't realize until I watched her do it for a
while was she was a methodical researcher. There is like a research person deep
inside her where she can she'll spend hours like she I would wake up at like
two o'clock in the morning to go to bathroom or something like that and she
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would be up on her computer doing research and and she this is where we're
you talk about us being alike Alicia this is one area where we're both alike
we're both like super excessive compulsive people who like every little
detail about the company of our product like not a lot gets by the two of us in
terms of like details and stuff like that and that's one one area where we
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have a lot in common. True. Yeah. Another big part of your guys's life is traveling.
Where are you guys going next? It's unclear. I don't know where we're
bouncing around the word Egypt. Yes Egypt's on the list it was a suggestion
by Rex which we thought was a good one and we're just doing research around you
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know safety concerns in Egypt but we would love to go I've talked to some
people Sherry's done some research sounds like it's possible. I don't know
it's gonna all depend. I book I book places based on flights so the first
thing I book because I do all the travel right which I love and I'm like a like a
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researcher with travel too I'm like obsessive compulsive it takes me a
really long time. You have no idea. But if I find a good flight then I book it
right away and then I book a hotel room right and that's really all I book I
don't book anything else but so it's gonna depend on if I can find a flight
if I can find a flight to Egypt for spring break we'll go to Egypt if I find
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a flight to Madrid we'll go to Madrid I don't know I'll let you guys know. Yeah.
Nothing's booked. Yeah I mean I think you're really good at it because just
watching your stories like I would probably from the outside assume that
you have a travel like agent or coordinator or something like that just
with the places that you guys go. No no. It's quite it's quite the opposite
she's like a complete control freak around the process and so we were American
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Express we have a lot of points with American Express and there's a service
within American Express where they'll book things for you and she fought doing
it forever but they have this one thing called the arrival service that you
can't get access to unless you allow them to book the flights and that but I
still pick out the flight. No you do every. So I write down the itinerary for the
flight and then I call them and then they book it. Okay. But no I actually
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really enjoy it's like one of my kind of like if I need a break from like work
like on the weekend like I go to travel that's what I do. And looking at houses
that's another one. Yeah but now that we got a house I'm not looking at houses as
much. No. But I still love real estate. I'm kind of on break on that. Yeah. But no I
love we both I think we both have a passion for travel so it's really really
fun to like be like oh we're going here. Yes. Like we're all gonna have another
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adventure right. Yeah. We're trying to get the kids as many countries as
possible before they turn 18 so that's really fun too. Yeah. Is it more about
like adding another country to the list or the experience or the place new city
that you're going to? Well I think ultimately we want to go everywhere.
That's we can go to. I mean obviously we won't go to North Korea right. But so like I
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feel like you know eventually we'll get to that place right. Like Australia's on
the list none of us have been there. Eventually we'll get there. I'm not sure
when but yeah. I think what there's 192 countries or something like that and you
know I've been the 31 of them so I got a lot more to go. Yeah. I can do 161 more.
But to your point North Korea is probably not up there. Yeah. Iran's probably not on the list.
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Probably skip that for a bit. Right. But you know there's a lot of other stuff.
We've seen a lot of Europe. Yeah. But we have not seen a lot of South America. We
have not seen a lot of Africa and South America. I like Europe for I just really
like Europe for Christmas although we are talking about possibly Japan this
Christmas. Yeah. Because none of us have been to Japan but something about a
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European Christmas to me is just makes makes me happy. I don't care where it is.
I just love European Christmas. Same. What is the first thing on your guys's
list to do together aside from travel? Almost everything on the list is like
travel related. Like we wanted to go to the Monaco Grand Prix forever and a
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really good friend of ours Alan who is the CEO of Scandinavia runs a trip every
year there and he always invites us and we haven't gone and we go because we
don't go because the kids what's his name finals they have their final
finals that week so it's like a really tough week for us to get away. We never
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take them out of school to travel. Yeah. Like maybe one day or something but so I
would love to go on that trip but a non travel thing so what would be a non
travel thing we would do? Wow that's really interesting. I'm not easily stumped but that's I
don't know. I like I have a car collection I want to build but that's not on your list. I would have said
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buying a house we did that this year. Yeah we did that. Right. What else? I mean in
our free time like especially when the kids grow up and go away I hope we're
always I hope we're traveling more. Yeah. Oh. Buying a property somewhere in another
country that's travel though kind of too. I have one. Okay what? We both like
sports a lot. So it was fun to go well less fun because of the outcome but we
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went to the playoff game between the Rams and the Vikings you know I'm taking
wrecks it I guess this is kind of travel related in the way but we're going to see
the NCAA finals in San Antonio this year so we like and we really enjoy our sons
tickets so that's like we enjoy sports I would say sporting events is really cool
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yeah and maybe we did a concert for the first time in forever like I can't remember so
we got to see Justin Timberlake once again courtesy of Ellen but thank you
Ellen so you know I think we'll probably do more of that kind of stuff. I don't
think there's that we just don't have that many interests we like sports we
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like travel and we love to work so building a company building multiple
companies building another company we love working independently but together
also on the same project so I think those those three things are really it
yeah right yeah we're pretty simple well yeah I think we stick to our knitting we
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know what we're good at we know what we enjoy and you know otherwise I'm a home
body John not so much but I'm a homebody like I can't wait to like have some
excess cash to buy a dining room table you know buy some outdoor furniture you
know lay in my pool a little bit this summer those kinds of things yeah I'll
give you an example so next week is the Phoenix open
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Elyse you're going yes right and I'm going on Thursday and I invite Sherry to
come every year and every year she politely declines so that's an example
that's a sporting event that I like to go to for her it's like way too many
people way too like crazy and where she enjoys going to the Suns games because
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she can carry a nice bag and it's like nice and she likes the energy of
basketball I just really like the NBA I like going to NBA games and like it's
different than going to an NFL game where you really can't see the players
mm-hmm and the NBA game you know especially our seats now because they've
gotten better over the years you can like just really see the player really
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right next to you up close and personal right and it's a little more a little
more dressy it's more like a date night I love them so much fun yeah so like a
deal an ideal weekend for you guys if you're not traveling is talking about
business going to restaurants maybe for a business meeting with each other yeah
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we just did that last night and then watching sports yeah or watching like
Netflix series like lion man right now which is having as few plans as possible
that's my ideal weekend yeah like I love having no plans this week we have no
plans we have no sporting events I'm gonna work I'm gonna photograph new
products yep we have literally nothing to do I'm gonna eat some healthy foods I
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like to I like my new kitchen so I want to make some like a big bowl of meat
with avocado and cottage cheese John's favorite meal the the what I would
almost consider bizarre combination of ingredients that she puts together and
calls meals is just it's hard so I'm a foodie yeah so you have to start with
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that even though like I'm just as comfortable eating Taco Bell as I am
going to like a Michelin restaurant I really love food and whereas no you love
nutrition and to you the the combination of ingredients is almost irrelevant if
it if it satiates your nutritional requirements there you put together
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things that I just wouldn't it would just never think of it's just I think
it's delicious it's a trap everything I think is really good but I do like I try
to eat really nutritious at home but if we go out I tend to have less rules
although I do like a good salad like I crave a good salad very like every day I
would love to eat a salad yes yeah I like salads too no no no no no no I hate
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making salads if someone were serving me a salad every day I would eat it with
avocado in it John but I waste more lettuce because I never make them John
drives me nuts he'll buy a big pre-washed thing of what is it like a
fight it's not yeah pounds it looks like five pounds no it's just like yes it's
like green huge container in the fridge and then she winds up throwing away and
every week I throw it away it literally drives me nuts I hate wasting money on
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food yeah she's hate it she her Minnesota roots with Tupperware is
deeply embedded in her she never wastes food I sent her a meme the other day
glass I use glass now yeah you do don't tell them false information about me I
guess you're pyrex right team pyrex so anyway but there was a meme about we
don't throw away good food in this house we put it in the Tupperware container
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and then we throw it away and I sent it to her and she's like I don't waste it's
true she does not waste food I eat my leftovers I love leftovers oh that's
actually funny that's that was one of the things I remember when I first met
her I took her to fill some from Philadelphia originally and anyone I
bring to Philadelphia I of course take some pets and genos to taste the the
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cheesesteaks and to make a conclusion as to whether you're a patch or a genos guy
and I took her and she mowed through two cheesesteaks like that and I was like
okay I love this girl right cuz like you know she was this attractive Finn person
who just mowed through choose two cheesesteaks and made it look like nothing
and she's really not that big you make every time you tell the story they're
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like this 12 well they're I mean they're not insignificant sandwiches and so
anyway you made quick work of it I was proud of you well I'm a good eater I
love I'm a foodie too but I also appreciate a good healthy meal
healthy delicious meal which one of you is the cook me for sure John me so I'll
like I'll smoke a brisket or I'll like like Thanksgiving dinner that's all me
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right Harper's actually become a helper which is interesting she's shown an
interest in learning the cook but yeah no I actually love cooking and I wish I
spent more that would be a hobby that I could spend more time on I'm actually
super passionate about it and you know like I'll read a recipe once and then
just experiment forever on it and so that that's something I actually enjoy
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I'm clean up crew yes hand washing the dishes I do I actually don't mind like I
dropped my whole life having a beautiful kitchen and now I've had a you know I
had a beautiful kitchen in the old house I have I feel like almost a more
beautiful kitchen now and we have two brand new dishwashers that have
literally never been used I love I don't mind hand washing dishes and I don't do
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not mind cleaning my kitchen makes me feel happy great one wrap it up all
right gotta go pick up the kids I gotta go get Rex all right well thank you
Alicia this has been really fun till next time and thank you for listening
Welcome back to Spill with Spearman. We have Sherry and her husband John who
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happens to be our CFO. John is a professional podcaster. No I am hardly a
professional podcaster. Welcome to Spill with Spearman. Thank you for having me.
First time. Yes indeed. This is my third. You are a pro. I am a pro. I told Alicia
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this morning that this is not a natural. Alicia and Yulia were on the podcast with
me. I said this is not a natural thing for me. I still get nervous talking on
camera let alone talking in a enormous black microphone that's an inch away from
my lips. It's nerve-racking. I was the kid who always chose the oral book report.
Really? Yes. If I had a choice between a written book report and an oral book
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report every single time. John is annoyingly not nervous about anything
public speaking. He is one of those freaks of nature that feel I feel like
you never get anxiety about anything. Oh well. Money? No. I have near crippling
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anxiety about many things but public speaking and sharing my opinion is
not one of them. So anything like people related because you're very outgoing.
Yeah so I came to a conclusion a really long time ago which is if I'm willing to
talk about something usually it's something that I know an awful lot about
and the likelihood that someone's gonna be able to call bullshit is pretty low.
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So I felt comfortable talking about those things and then everything else
that I don't know anything about I just avoid and it makes life really simple
and then you can speak about anything. But you're also not fearful about eyes on
you. No. Like I don't want any eyes on me. Like I would rather sit in a corner and
have nobody see me. John I would say you'd like to be seen. But meanwhile you
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have a million Instagram followers. It's not a good strategy for not being seen. Just saying.
That's not a natural like instinctive thing for me to speak on camera or
speak on a microphone like a podcast but I'm sure I'll get used to it. Yeah.
So well working I work very closely with John and Sherry for different things
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sometimes together on things sometimes separately but you guys have a lot of
things in common and you have a lot of things that are like very different from
each other and I've like seen you disagree a lot. Disagree? Never. It's a very kind way to say that.
What are the biggest things that you guys like disagree about like at home
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and like non business related things? So we had this conversation last night and I
think Sherry tried to do it in a really thoughtful delicate way and it wound up
being slightly less thoughtful and delicate but was like it was like
staying in lanes right and so we do have lanes like I cannot do what Sherry does
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with product right her eye for color her eye for patterns she's things she sees
things that I will never see and I think she would agree that like I see patterns
and data and and opportunities that way that she probably will never see. Where
we disagree there's a lane that's contested and the contested lane is
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marketing. We have very different views about how marketing is supposed to work
and that is definitely like a powder keg for us because we clash over like how
our marketing should work. Is that a fair statement? Well I think market
there's two parts of marketing there's an analytical data-driven mathematical
side of marketing and then there's like a creative marketing that's a very
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visual. So I feel like I do the creative visual side and John should stick to his
lane in the data-driven mathematical side. I agree with that but the problem
is sometimes they touch and that's kind of like touching two electrical wires
right there there are usually sparks when there are touches around that that
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point but other than that we get along pretty well I think. Yeah I mean what
work-related like I think that when you start sneaking over into my lane then I
get a little irritated and yes yeah and I like to push you out. And she likes to
say she stays out of my lane but that's largely well wait hold on but but that's
partly because like I do things like taxes which no one tries to sneak in
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your lane when you're the guy who does taxes or like insurance renewals has
anyone ever tried to fight you with helping me with the insurance renewal
Alicia? Has everyone tried to rip that out of your hand saying how come she
gets to do insurance renewals every year? No one says that. I would love for that to happen.
Absolutely no one says that. So nobody wants that John. So I have yeah exactly by the way I made my
career on like taking all the shitty stuff no one else wanted to do so if
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you're a young person out there and you're trying to like grow in a career
in a corporate environment in particular go out and seek like all
the shitty jobs no one else wants to do. It's a really good way to move up in a
company because first of all people will think you're crazy and second there won't
be a lot of competition for it so you'll be able to shine really quickly there so
anyway that's a pro tip but that we don't get a lot of crossover it's really
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just the marketing thing. Yeah I think we've gotten better at working together
but we still have our moment. Do you remember that one time we were in Greenway?
I don't know Alicia. I remember we had such a blow-up argument. We did. At that
time we were all working in one big warehouse. It was awkward for everyone.
Like we were screaming at each other I think John did John walk did you walk up
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and get out of there? I think you left. No actually I think you left. Oh maybe. It
was unclear whether you were ever coming back but yeah we we haven't done that in
the very long time. No yeah it was really bad. Yeah it was really bad. I think we're better now.
We are but look I I'm not gonna joke you know working with your spouse in the
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early days in particular is really really hard but I think we have we've
worked really hard at getting better at it but I don't think we'll ever be like
perfect where you know we never have disagreements or butt heads like that
yeah that's I always joke I say I'm married and it's a real marriage which
means that you actually argue and don't agree on everything. Yeah I think we we
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we don't have a false sense for reality we know we're gonna have like I would
never say we're never gonna have another work argument but I'm sure we will. I
think they're less I don't know they're just more tame now. Yeah. Like neither of
us I don't know maybe sometimes I blow up a little bit but I think neither of us
blow up like we used to. No I look actually here's something I can call out
like you've made a super big effort like the last two or three months because
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you've been listening to podcasts and getting rid of toxic things in your life
but like you've really made a concerted effort I think and I've noticed it and
that's certainly helps from my side and the other thing I think we have a lot of
common goals to your point like so like we love travel like we're super
motivated from a work perspective we want to be successful like it's not like
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we have a lazy one and a hard-working one we're both like you can't when you
work like when you work with a spouse you can't have different goals. No. If you
can have different interests but the ultimate end goals have to be aligned or
there's no way it'll work. No like zero. There's way too much stress if you don't
have the same goals and just wouldn't it just wouldn't work. Yeah and then we also
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are super comfortable like having hobbies like cars like for instance you're you've
been very clear yeah you have no interest in cars where I do like so I
have certain things that you that I have interest in and I'm sure you have plenty
of things that I have no interest in. Like handbags. Yeah I don't carry a lot of
handbags. What about reading because I know that's always been something that
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you guys differ on a lot but I saw in your stories that you're starting to
read a little bit. I watched my stories last night. So obviously I've changed a
lot since I moved into the new house I'm trying to like live a much more much
less toxic lifestyle with like products but also like my mindset I'm trying to
make less toxic and so one of my biggest problems right now is I can't sleep.
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And so I like I'm trying all these new things one of which is reading hour. I
don't know why I call it reading hours. Yeah it's like reading minutes. I say I'm
gonna read ten minutes every night before I go to sleep. I'm on night going
into night three so it's going really well so far. But I'm no Johnson he wants
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to do it with me. So I did last night was our first reading hour like
husband-and-wife reading hour. How did how did you like it? It was good actually
like I am a big reader and I like reading so we've always watched shows
together we're watching Landman right now which is awesome but it was actually
kind of cool for me to actually have ten or fifteen minutes at the end of the
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night to read and I picked up something that I wouldn't have otherwise read.
And I'm gonna tackle that and see if I can tackle that in the week and it'll be
cool. So one of the things they said about reading before bed is it
calms your mind and which will in turn lead to a better night's sleep. But I
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haven't had that yet. But I'm gonna keep I'm gonna keep going because obviously
this is only gonna be night three. But I'm hoping to like notice a difference.
Hopefully your eight sleep day that shows you some progress. It didn't this morning.
I was a C student on my eight sleep this morning. Yes. Which drives me nuts.
I was never a C student so it literally drives me nuts. And it drives her nuts because I
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kick her ass. I know he's like I got an A in my sleep last night. I was a 96 last night.
He's so good at it. I'm so jealous. I'm a good sleeper but I was not always a good
sleeper. So not unlike Sherry my mind runs a mile a minute and so I've
really had to train myself. I actually have a really specific protocol where
when I put my phone down at the end of the night and they say I'm going to
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sleep I'm only allowed to think about one thing which is how comfortable my
bed is. And so I'll start thinking about today's ROAS really sucked or like all
these different things right or you know cash or whatever. And the second that I
feel myself starting to have those thoughts I just bring myself back to
wow my bed is like the most comfortable bed on earth. And I just just keep
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thinking that. And I've gotten pretty good about breathing. I think breathing
really helps so if you're struggling with sleeping. Breathing. Like slowing your breathing.
Yeah exactly. And so last night I was reading Eckhart Tolle's book and
I think reading something like that as opposed to like you know reading
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something like World War II yo invasion kind of book. It's probably better for
for sleep inducing as well. So pick books that are supportive of your sleep
habit. You know not like some like horror movie kind of book or something like that.
Yeah this is literally the first book that I well actually I shouldn't say
that. I read I'm not done with it but I started reading Arnold Schwarzenegger's
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book about two years ago. I haven't finished it. And before that I think it was
Anna Karenina. Yes. Which I started reading when we went to Iceland. Correct.
Which was before we were married. Yes like 20 years ago. Yeah I didn't finish
that one either. So like I literally I'm gonna really try to finish a book but
yeah it's been like two decades since I've read a book. And Lecia knows
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this is true because she's bared witness to this but I have like 3,000 books at the
house. So many. And Sherry has like three. And I'm just not a reader. Kind of funny.
My mind. There are so many here. Yeah I do. Well I don't have I've never actually had enough
room to have all my books in one place. It's a dream of mine actually and if
everything goes according to plan I will build an actual two-story library in the
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back of the house where in the new house we bought. So and then I will finally
once have all of my books in one location. How are you guys liking the
new house? Love it. Love it. It's so much more space. It's kind of like living with
our kids with a connected hallway but we're in separate apartments. Yeah. Which
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is super awesome when you have teenagers. Yeah as they're getting older. Yeah. And
it's good it's both good for us and it's good for them. It gives them space.
They're building their independence and but we also don't have to hear like all
the stuff we used to hear at the old house from them you know video games or
you know Harper and our friends or whatever. It's they have their own laundry
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room and they both are doing their own laundry. It's amazing. It's so cool. Yes. It
feels so nice. It's so much less work for me. Yes I've always done my own laundry
so Shari but Shari was she would do hers and the kids and so like
offloading that's been really nice. Yeah I actually think Harper likes it too
because she can wash something if she needs it right away. It's right absolutely
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right outside her room so I think she really likes it. It's funny the first time she did
laundry I guess I had left I don't normally do this I'm almost start my
laundry and finish my laundry kind of guy I do not like leave things in the
lawn in either the washer or the dryer but I left a load of socks in the dryer
and I came home one day and she just thrown them all over the floor. I was
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like you couldn't find the laundry bin or you couldn't find like a laundry
basket and like take it to the room or she just literally threw them all over
the floor. I was like all right we're gonna have to teach about laundry etiquette. So
yeah I'm sure that changes like your whole dynamic of like parenting since
Harper is driving and they're on the other side of the house now. Correct. It's
completely different. Yeah it just makes it's been a big change. Yeah it's been
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the biggest change I think. Yeah. Since they were little because there's you
feel like there's so much you see them so much less first of all and then you
especially her and then it's just weird to feel like there's three drivers in
the house it's just a weird feeling. Plus she's working which was really kind of
funny because like we have you know like most people I'm sure we have a ring
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doorbell so we see like people coming up to the house and one day Sherry and I
were at the Suns game and I get a notification and the the uber eats or
door-dash guy shows up and Harper got Rex a Dr. Pepper and like some skittles or
something like that and she got whatever she got for herself and Sherry and I are
like so anti door-dash uber eats because like we just think it's
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exorbitantly expensive and we're just inherently cheap that way and so we
called Harper out on it and literally the first words out of a rouse was I use
my own money. She's like I'm shutting that down right now I use my own money.
She's working a lot. She is she's working really hard and proud of her. Yeah she just
got a new job she is now a hostess at a restaurant. Is she doing
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busing too? I think she might be doing busing. Yeah they're gonna move her up to
busing and then eventually she'll be a server so she's you know but she's very
she's very motivated as an employee. She's done very well in her first job
and now in this one as well. After her first job she went a week without a job
and she told all her friends that she was unemployed. Currently unemployed.
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And by that Friday she had made a resume and had three job interviews.
Her last day of work was on a Monday. Good for her. By that Friday she had
three or four job interviews. Her first one was on Saturday and she got the job on the spot.
So she literally went from Monday to Saturday currently unemployed and now
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she's currently employed. Yeah so she's very financially motivated I would say.
Not that surprising. Yeah they'll know where she gets it from.
The other thing she's super motivated and she's always been this way is she's
super independent. Like even when she was a little kid with the bottle like I
would try to hold the bottle and she would rip it out of my hands she's like
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no I'm gonna hold that. So she's been that way from the get-go.
Yeah speaking of her motivation and drive that I'm sure she got from both
of you guys. I would describe both of you guys as a power couple because of your
guys's drive and motivation for all the things that you guys do in your business.
Was that part of like when you guys met each other did you guys see that in each
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other right away and is that part of what attracted you guys to each other?
I don't think I had I think I was a different person when I met you.
The answer for me is yes. I saw something in her instantly so it was it was a
really funny conversation which had nothing to do with that but the story
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that got me super interested was her experience living abroad in Spain and
her telling the story how it changed her life. So I do not do well with people who
are delicate for lack of a better word. I like people who can savor life's
challenges and figure things out and are super motivated to do things and when
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she told the story about what it was like and how she went there and you know
how what an enormous adjustment was and how it changed her life I was like wow
this this girl's different and that was a that was a really interesting thing
for me and then we have another famous conversation but why don't you talk
first about the first meeting thing and then I'll tell I want to tell one of the
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story which is kind of funny. I mean I don't have a lot to add to that I mean
you obviously were really successful me not so much. I was kind of living just
like paycheck to paycheck and I just I grew up really thinking that like there
are really wealthy people there are middle-class people and there are poor
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people and I was like a middle-class person and I just thought like you know I
just didn't really have a chance to move to the the wealthy side. Like I was just
like middle-class that I'm gonna be middle-class. I met John. John was like
pretty successful. You were what 35 when I met you. I was
27. John's eight years older than me and yeah I thought he was super motivated
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and much different than me but I still had something in me that like like we
were gonna go hiking on a mountain like I was gonna get to the top. Yeah. So I
still had that side of me but I feel like professionally I was not necessarily
successful or motivated at that time. Would you say that's accurate? Yeah that's
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accurate and it's a good segue into like one of so we've had like two seminal
conversations in our lives which have like changed a lot for us and they are
often emotion-filled shall we say. So the first one was shortly after we met I
took I had taken a job I was already there in San Jose California and I was
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CEO of a 250 million dollar company. I was 35 years old and it was a big job
and it was a company that was going through a corporate restructuring which
means it was a shit job and you know Sherry came out and moved in with me you
know probably within three to six months of us meeting and I saw, Sherry's right,
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I absolutely saw something in there. She had a unique eye. She had a perspective
that was very different than everyone else's which was one of the things I
was really attracted to and so one day she wasn't doing anything yet she hadn't
taken a job and she was you know she was my partner in life and we would go to
dinner and have fun but I was like. He's being nice. I would like sleep till 2 p.m.
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He would go to work. He's being nice. So I came home one night I remember we were
walking to the Borders bookstore at Santana Row in San Jose and I said
probably exactly this way why don't you just do something do anything. He was an
asshole and that was exact words to use because you're such an asshole and it
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but the next day I came home and she was selling clothes on eBay. Well I wasn't
selling I got eBay for dummies. Yeah you got so she bought the book eBay for
dummies that's right and then within a week we had a mannequin named Sinead. We
did have a mannequin named Sinead. As in Sinead O'Connor for those of you who are older than us.
We walked down the stairs and scared the shit out of you every morning. Every night. We thought there was someone in the house.
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So scary. And so she built a relationship with was it free people? Urban Outfitters.
Oh the Urban Outfitters manager and she would like say okay if you're gonna mark
stuff down call me first and I'll come and buy all it. Well we lived in a
community where I could just walk to Urban Outfitters and so like one day I
went in there and like they had a rack of stuff that was a dollar 99. I was like
dollar 99 I could sell this for 9.99. So I started buying I would bring garbage
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bags full like I would fall off clothes home from Urban Outfitters and the guy
would be like do you want to come to the back room and buy the rest of it? I'd be
like sure. Yeah. And then I sold it on eBay. That was my that was my do anything
job. Yeah. Where you were a complete asshole and I was like fine. She was actually really good at it.
She was really good and she took great pictures and she was good at the
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listings and the part that I didn't realize until I watched her do it for a
while was she was a methodical researcher. There is like a research person deep
inside her where she can she'll spend hours like she I would wake up at like
two o'clock in the morning to go to bathroom or something like that and she
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would be up on her computer doing research and and she this is where we're
you talk about us being alike Alicia this is one area where we're both alike
we're both like super excessive compulsive people who like every little
detail about the company of our product like not a lot gets by the two of us in
terms of like details and stuff like that and that's one one area where we
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have a lot in common. True. Yeah. Another big part of your guys's life is traveling.
Where are you guys going next? It's unclear. I don't know where we're
bouncing around the word Egypt. Yes Egypt's on the list it was a suggestion
by Rex which we thought was a good one and we're just doing research around you
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know safety concerns in Egypt but we would love to go I've talked to some
people Sherry's done some research sounds like it's possible. I don't know
it's gonna all depend. I book I book places based on flights so the first
thing I book because I do all the travel right which I love and I'm like a like a
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researcher with travel too I'm like obsessive compulsive it takes me a
really long time. You have no idea. But if I find a good flight then I book it
right away and then I book a hotel room right and that's really all I book I
don't book anything else but so it's gonna depend on if I can find a flight
if I can find a flight to Egypt for spring break we'll go to Egypt if I find
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a flight to Madrid we'll go to Madrid I don't know I'll let you guys know. Yeah.
Nothing's booked. Yeah I mean I think you're really good at it because just
watching your stories like I would probably from the outside assume that
you have a travel like agent or coordinator or something like that just
with the places that you guys go. No no. It's quite it's quite the opposite
she's like a complete control freak around the process and so we were American
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Express we have a lot of points with American Express and there's a service
within American Express where they'll book things for you and she fought doing
it forever but they have this one thing called the arrival service that you
can't get access to unless you allow them to book the flights and that but I
still pick out the flight. No you do every. So I write down the itinerary for the
flight and then I call them and then they book it. Okay. But no I actually
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really enjoy it's like one of my kind of like if I need a break from like work
like on the weekend like I go to travel that's what I do. And looking at houses
that's another one. Yeah but now that we got a house I'm not looking at houses as
much. No. But I still love real estate. I'm kind of on break on that. Yeah. But no I
love we both I think we both have a passion for travel so it's really really
fun to like be like oh we're going here. Yes. Like we're all gonna have another
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adventure right. Yeah. We're trying to get the kids as many countries as
possible before they turn 18 so that's really fun too. Yeah. Is it more about
like adding another country to the list or the experience or the place new city
that you're going to? Well I think ultimately we want to go everywhere.
That's we can go to. I mean obviously we won't go to North Korea right. But so like I
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feel like you know eventually we'll get to that place right. Like Australia's on
the list none of us have been there. Eventually we'll get there. I'm not sure
when but yeah. I think what there's 192 countries or something like that and you
know I've been the 31 of them so I got a lot more to go. Yeah. I can do 161 more.
But to your point North Korea is probably not up there. Yeah. Iran's probably not on the list.
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Probably skip that for a bit. Right. But you know there's a lot of other stuff.
We've seen a lot of Europe. Yeah. But we have not seen a lot of South America. We
have not seen a lot of Africa and South America. I like Europe for I just really
like Europe for Christmas although we are talking about possibly Japan this
Christmas. Yeah. Because none of us have been to Japan but something about a
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European Christmas to me is just makes makes me happy. I don't care where it is.
I just love European Christmas. Same. What is the first thing on your guys's
list to do together aside from travel? Almost everything on the list is like
travel related. Like we wanted to go to the Monaco Grand Prix forever and a
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really good friend of ours Alan who is the CEO of Scandinavia runs a trip every
year there and he always invites us and we haven't gone and we go because we
don't go because the kids what's his name finals they have their final
finals that week so it's like a really tough week for us to get away. We never
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take them out of school to travel. Yeah. Like maybe one day or something but so I
would love to go on that trip but a non travel thing so what would be a non
travel thing we would do? Wow that's really interesting. I'm not easily stumped but that's I
don't know. I like I have a car collection I want to build but that's not on your list. I would have said
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buying a house we did that this year. Yeah we did that. Right. What else? I mean in
our free time like especially when the kids grow up and go away I hope we're
always I hope we're traveling more. Yeah. Oh. Buying a property somewhere in another
country that's travel though kind of too. I have one. Okay what? We both like
sports a lot. So it was fun to go well less fun because of the outcome but we
(26:59):
went to the playoff game between the Rams and the Vikings you know I'm taking
wrecks it I guess this is kind of travel related in the way but we're going to see
the NCAA finals in San Antonio this year so we like and we really enjoy our sons
tickets so that's like we enjoy sports I would say sporting events is really cool
(27:21):
yeah and maybe we did a concert for the first time in forever like I can't remember so
we got to see Justin Timberlake once again courtesy of Ellen but thank you
Ellen so you know I think we'll probably do more of that kind of stuff. I don't
think there's that we just don't have that many interests we like sports we
(27:44):
like travel and we love to work so building a company building multiple
companies building another company we love working independently but together
also on the same project so I think those those three things are really it
yeah right yeah we're pretty simple well yeah I think we stick to our knitting we
(28:04):
know what we're good at we know what we enjoy and you know otherwise I'm a home
body John not so much but I'm a homebody like I can't wait to like have some
excess cash to buy a dining room table you know buy some outdoor furniture you
know lay in my pool a little bit this summer those kinds of things yeah I'll
give you an example so next week is the Phoenix open
(28:25):
Elyse you're going yes right and I'm going on Thursday and I invite Sherry to
come every year and every year she politely declines so that's an example
that's a sporting event that I like to go to for her it's like way too many
people way too like crazy and where she enjoys going to the Suns games because
(28:45):
she can carry a nice bag and it's like nice and she likes the energy of
basketball I just really like the NBA I like going to NBA games and like it's
different than going to an NFL game where you really can't see the players
mm-hmm and the NBA game you know especially our seats now because they've
gotten better over the years you can like just really see the player really
(29:05):
right next to you up close and personal right and it's a little more a little
more dressy it's more like a date night I love them so much fun yeah so like a
deal an ideal weekend for you guys if you're not traveling is talking about
business going to restaurants maybe for a business meeting with each other yeah
(29:26):
we just did that last night and then watching sports yeah or watching like
Netflix series like lion man right now which is having as few plans as possible
that's my ideal weekend yeah like I love having no plans this week we have no
plans we have no sporting events I'm gonna work I'm gonna photograph new
products yep we have literally nothing to do I'm gonna eat some healthy foods I
(29:49):
like to I like my new kitchen so I want to make some like a big bowl of meat
with avocado and cottage cheese John's favorite meal the the what I would
almost consider bizarre combination of ingredients that she puts together and
calls meals is just it's hard so I'm a foodie yeah so you have to start with
(30:12):
that even though like I'm just as comfortable eating Taco Bell as I am
going to like a Michelin restaurant I really love food and whereas no you love
nutrition and to you the the combination of ingredients is almost irrelevant if
it if it satiates your nutritional requirements there you put together
(30:36):
things that I just wouldn't it would just never think of it's just I think
it's delicious it's a trap everything I think is really good but I do like I try
to eat really nutritious at home but if we go out I tend to have less rules
although I do like a good salad like I crave a good salad very like every day I
would love to eat a salad yes yeah I like salads too no no no no no no I hate
(31:02):
making salads if someone were serving me a salad every day I would eat it with
avocado in it John but I waste more lettuce because I never make them John
drives me nuts he'll buy a big pre-washed thing of what is it like a
fight it's not yeah pounds it looks like five pounds no it's just like yes it's
like green huge container in the fridge and then she winds up throwing away and
every week I throw it away it literally drives me nuts I hate wasting money on
(31:26):
food yeah she's hate it she her Minnesota roots with Tupperware is
deeply embedded in her she never wastes food I sent her a meme the other day
glass I use glass now yeah you do don't tell them false information about me I
guess you're pyrex right team pyrex so anyway but there was a meme about we
don't throw away good food in this house we put it in the Tupperware container
(31:49):
and then we throw it away and I sent it to her and she's like I don't waste it's
true she does not waste food I eat my leftovers I love leftovers oh that's
actually funny that's that was one of the things I remember when I first met
her I took her to fill some from Philadelphia originally and anyone I
bring to Philadelphia I of course take some pets and genos to taste the the
(32:12):
cheesesteaks and to make a conclusion as to whether you're a patch or a genos guy
and I took her and she mowed through two cheesesteaks like that and I was like
okay I love this girl right cuz like you know she was this attractive Finn person
who just mowed through choose two cheesesteaks and made it look like nothing
and she's really not that big you make every time you tell the story they're
(32:34):
like this 12 well they're I mean they're not insignificant sandwiches and so
anyway you made quick work of it I was proud of you well I'm a good eater I
love I'm a foodie too but I also appreciate a good healthy meal
healthy delicious meal which one of you is the cook me for sure John me so I'll
like I'll smoke a brisket or I'll like like Thanksgiving dinner that's all me
(32:57):
right Harper's actually become a helper which is interesting she's shown an
interest in learning the cook but yeah no I actually love cooking and I wish I
spent more that would be a hobby that I could spend more time on I'm actually
super passionate about it and you know like I'll read a recipe once and then
just experiment forever on it and so that that's something I actually enjoy
(33:19):
I'm clean up crew yes hand washing the dishes I do I actually don't mind like I
dropped my whole life having a beautiful kitchen and now I've had a you know I
had a beautiful kitchen in the old house I have I feel like almost a more
beautiful kitchen now and we have two brand new dishwashers that have
literally never been used I love I don't mind hand washing dishes and I don't do
(33:44):
not mind cleaning my kitchen makes me feel happy great one wrap it up all
right gotta go pick up the kids I gotta go get Rex all right well thank you
Alicia this has been really fun till next time and thank you for listening
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