March 5, 2025 • 29 mins
John and Shari join podcast today! Join them as they talk about learning new skills, why they bought a warehouse in the middle of a pandemic, passion for content creation, and big plans for a new side hustle. Plus, John dives into AI, the future of business, and how their getting inspired by MrBeast.
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All right, we are live.
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We are live.
On our very first podcast,
which is kind of interesting because it's just the two of us.
Usually Alicia sets this up for us.
So I learned a new skill today, which is how to use-
Oh wait, before you continue to go on the skill,
this is our third podcast together.
No, it's the first one we're doing all by ourselves
like big girls and boys.
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It is the first one.
That's what I mean.
Okay, so that's fair.
All right, so tell me about the skill you learned.
I learned how to use Adobe Audition
and our Rodecaster system.
Learned how to label our microphones and do all this stuff.
And it was kind of interesting.
I like being 56 years old and still learning new skills.
I think I wanna always learn new skills
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until they put me in a box and send me away somewhere.
I agree.
And you're very good.
You pick up on things really quickly.
I don't know if I could have set this up this quickly.
So-
We did get some help from Alicia though, by the way.
We did.
So it's Saturday.
It is Saturday.
And we are in the warehouse today.
We are.
Do you call it the warehouse or the office?
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The warehouse.
The warehouse.
Yes, it's a very warehousey vibe, which I like actually.
Yeah, we're in the office part of our warehouse
and I love this building.
I do too.
It was a great purchase.
We bought this building back.
When did we buy this building?
Back in 2020?
2020, when everyone was freaking out.
Right before COVID hit big time.
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No, it was right after it hit big time.
But it wasn't a big deal though.
We went to contract in May.
COVID started in March.
So we were like two months in the COVID
and everyone was still like not sure
how the world was gonna work post COVID and all this stuff.
And we closed on the building and moved in in July.
So we went to contract in May.
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May and June was kind of like our approval
and diligence period.
And then we closed the move in July and August.
We looked for a building for a really long time.
Yes, and everyone was pissed at me
because it took too long.
And not surprising, but we used to work out of a warehouse
in Scottsdale that we rented.
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And it was about, well, originally my first warehouse
was 1200 square feet.
Then we took over the rest of that building,
which turned the 1200 square feet into.
5,000.
6,000.
And we also grabbed a warehouse space
across the street, I would say.
That was another 1200, right?
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Yeah, that's right.
So we had what about.
6,000 square feet, 6,200 maybe.
Probably 6,500, yeah.
So a little over 6,000 square feet.
And we knocked down a wall that divided the two spaces.
So we could have one kind of continuous warehouse space.
We could build like racking.
Yeah, it was a great warehouse by the way.
It was. It was a really great space.
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And the location was so great.
Yes, yeah, the location was awesome.
If we were in that warehouse today,
it's like three minutes from our house.
Yeah, a lot of good memories there,
but that was a rental.
We rented for how many years?
We got that space in what, 2016?
Yep.
And.
Yeah, we kept it even after we bought the building.
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So we had a five year lease basically on the thing.
So we rented for five years,
and then we decided to purchase a building in 2020.
Right after COVID hit, like John said.
And it was the best thing we ever did
because this building has really appreciated.
Yeah, and it's been a great home for us to build,
experiment and do everything.
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So it's a great home base and I love the building.
So the space now is not in Scottsdale,
it's in Tempe, Arizona.
And we went back and forth with like location
where we wanted to be,
but ultimately I'm so glad we decided on this location.
I feel like it's more central
for more of the people who work here.
Yeah, me too.
It's an easier commute for a lot of people.
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Yep.
And I don't mind the commute.
No, it's actually pretty easy.
I love the commute.
I just jump on the 101.
Yeah.
And I turn my podcast on
and I get about what, 22 minutes, depending on traffic.
It's about 22 minutes to get here.
And I get like a half a podcast in.
And then my drive home,
I listen to the other half of my podcasts.
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Yes.
I'm really into listening to podcasts right now.
Yes, I know you are.
You are on a podcast journey.
And I like to send to John
and tell him to listen to them.
You're doing pretty good though.
I've sent him two podcasts in the last.
That I actually listened to.
She sent me about like 10 before that.
And I think I listened to like maybe half of one.
Yeah, a lot of them are in health and wellness.
So I think it's annoying to John.
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Things that are toxic.
I'm gonna health kick.
What can I say?
But then I sent him a Mr. Beast podcast.
Yeah, which I liked.
Actually, no.
I can't take credit for that.
Alicia sent the team a Mr. Beast podcast.
Yeah, and you told me to listen to it.
Which I listened to.
It was phenomenal.
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And then I sent it to John.
And now after that podcast,
I'm going back and I'm listening to actually
the Joe Rogan Mr. Beast podcast.
Which is from I think 2022.
Yeah, something like that.
And I don't usually like to listen to old podcasts.
I like them to be like new releases.
Yeah.
But I find Mr. Beast so fascinating
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that it's really fun to listen to him.
And in the podcast I'm listening to right now,
he's only 23 years old and he's only like.
What, 27 now?
Yeah, he's only 27 now, but he's so successful.
It's crazy.
It's very inspiring.
Yeah, that's awesome.
So anyway, so we were talking about that
at Bagel Breakfast this morning.
John bought a new book.
Yeah.
What is it called?
Oh, I can't remember.
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You should have brought it up here.
It's like the Million Dollar Weekend
or something like that.
It's like, yes.
Because we're on this side hustle journey right now,
Sherry and I.
And so I thought it was an interesting book
to stimulate some conversation.
And I'll bring it with us on our trip to Mexico.
And as we start thinking about what side hustle
we're gonna start next,
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I think it'll be a really good book for us to discuss.
And I'll tell you what,
while you talk about that for a second,
I'll pull the name of the book up so we can plug it.
So John and I decided we wanna start another side hustle.
So I kind of feel like this podcast
is our first new side hustle.
Do you agree?
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I do.
And I'm trying to do a podcast every week with John
and then a podcast or two every week with my team.
So last week we did one podcast with the team.
I did one podcast with the team.
And then this is our first podcast this week.
Yes.
And we're trying to figure out like what our niche,
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what our focus is gonna be.
But for right now we're just kind of learning
and just getting some reps in.
But the name of the book, by the way,
is The Million Dollar Weekend by Noah Kagan.
So far pretty good, pretty interesting.
So I'll give you guys more feedback later,
but so far I'm pretty digging it.
So we're in the kind of early stages of brainstorming.
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And the concept, the idea of the brainstorm is
what are some new business ideas we can pursue
on the side of our main job, which is Spearman's, right?
And I like the idea.
So Spearman is very, I would say,
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it's a cash intensive business
because you have to hold a lot of inventory.
Correct.
So I feel like my side hustle,
I kind of want it to be a less cash intensive business.
Yeah, where you're not tying up a lot of capital
in the inventory or whatever, yes.
Right, like I think that I wanna do something
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in content maybe, what do you think?
Content, software, different things.
So services, businesses are interesting too.
But I have a pretty open mind.
That's actually one of my problems is
I can see opportunity in a lot of different things.
So, which is one of the reasons I like working with Sherry
because she's better at picking,
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like saying, no, we're gonna do this.
And I think that's an interesting process
for us to go through.
We don't always agree.
Yeah, but John's really good
at becoming good at everything.
Like he could do 12 things that he's good at at the same time.
I'm really good at picking the one thing
I think I might be good at and going really deep in it.
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Do you agree?
Yeah, like we always talk about like
when you started vlogging
and you were making like 56 cents a day.
33.
Yeah, 33.
I guess I give you too much credit at 56 cents.
Yeah, most people would have quit at that point
and you just didn't.
And you're a grinder for sure, without a doubt.
So when Harper was born, I started,
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well, actually before Harper was born, I started a blog.
It was called lotbaby.blogspot.com.
Back then we used Blogspot, not WordPress.
And I don't even know what people are using nowadays.
But anyway, so I started this blog.
Substack probably for blogs.
Yeah, you're probably right.
God, the world's changed.
Okay, so Harper is 16 now.
So 16 years ago, when I was still pregnant,
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I started blogging and I would just kind of talk
about pregnancy and take a picture of belly growth.
And it was pretty simple.
And obviously once Harper was born,
there was like less to talk about.
It was just kind of pictures of her.
Yeah, like her not liking peas.
Right.
Which is like the first image that comes to mind.
So then after she was born, she was born in December
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and early April, I started a blog called Spearman Baby.
Yes.
And that blog became more about talking about
like just overall baby stuff.
Yeah, setting up a nursery.
Decorating your nursery or a baby blanket
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or things babies do.
It was just all kinds of random stuff.
And I always liked kind of the visual side of it.
I liked like kind of showing pictures of things
versus writing big essays about products.
Yes.
I don't particularly love writing.
And so I did this for, I started in what?
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Early 2000, what year was it?
2009.
Yeah, I was gonna say 2009.
So yeah, so I started in April 2009.
And I was going pretty strong for I would say four years.
And by the fourth year,
Instagram kind of appeared out of nowhere and Pinterest.
And I signed up for those platforms.
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I put a pin it button on my,
I remember doing the pin it button on my blog page.
And I remember-
You thought you were a fancy.
I did, and I could change the color of it.
I learned, I taught myself how to do all the HTML
and I could make the button be like in a heart shape
or like pink color or green color.
And I was like, wow, this is so cool and cute.
And you could like pin my images from my blog.
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And then Instagram came about.
And I was, I'm always really late to the game by the way.
I feel like everybody,
I feel like everybody starts trends before me.
Interesting.
But anyway, so I started doing Pinterest and Instagram
and I loved those platforms
because I didn't have to write like an essay.
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I could just show the visual.
And that's kind of where my heart was.
Like the photo.
Still is.
The visual, not writing a big lung caption.
Yeah, no, I agree with that.
I mean, you know, even when we travel,
like you always capture,
it's interesting to see Harper actually has a really good eye
for pictures too.
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She captures some really good images, but yes.
But like when we go on trips, you capture great images.
And I just think you're really good at that.
It's kind of a natural talent of yours.
And it's interesting to see Harper starting
to develop that talent.
She's pretty good at that too.
Yeah, she is.
And that's just what I enjoy.
And I still struggle on Instagram, if I post a picture,
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like writing the caption is the hardest part.
Yeah.
Like I'm like, get this look for your baby.
So novel and creative.
It's not my strong thing.
Like I know I'm quite, I'm well aware
of like my strengths and weaknesses.
And I think writing is one of my weaknesses.
Yeah.
You should do pictures with no captions
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and tell people to name it, to caption the picture.
I should.
Because you hate doing it.
And actually it'd be fun to see what other people,
how other people would caption the picture.
Yeah, that's a good idea.
Why don't you do a picture, a couple of pictures,
like cool pictures that you love and say,
how would you caption this picture?
Yeah, I wonder if people would write.
I don't know, probably get some engagement.
I have no engagement on my Instagram right now.
I know, sad.
It's tough times on Instagram.
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Yeah.
Hopefully we'll turn that around.
Hopefully Instagram will turn it around.
Yes.
I feel like I need like, I need a new,
I don't know, I need something new.
Yeah.
I need to try an experiment or something.
Should always be trying experiments every day.
Yeah, anyway.
So, so yeah, so I was blogging for about four years
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and then Instagram and Pinterest came around.
And at that time I was going to trade shows
for the baby industry.
And I would walk around and interview people
who founded companies and started products
and were innovators.
And I found that side of the business
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super, super interesting.
And I also felt like I always had a knack for sales.
So I decided instead of blogging,
I wanted to sell baby stuff.
Yep.
Right?
And so I started selling baby stuff.
Yeah.
And that's what built Spearmint Love.
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So yeah, so Spearmint Baby was my blog name.
And I wanted to keep kind of that name going.
So I named my store when I opened up my online store,
which was in?
September of 2013.
Yes, good.
Oh my gosh, you have a good memory.
Yeah, so in September 2013 I opened up an online store
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called spearmintlove.com.
And it's still called spearmintlove.com.
But that is why my Instagram handle is spearmintbaby.
Because it came from the blog.
Because it came from the blog.
And I never changed that.
And that's how everyone knew you.
Yeah, that's right.
But I actually own Spearmint Love on Instagram as well.
Agreed.
And we should explore what to do with that.
Yeah, because I've never done anything with that.
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Because like I view Spearmint Baby more as your identity
and Spearmint Love is the brand.
And there's a difference between the two.
True.
And it'll be fun to explore the difference
between Spearmint Baby as you and your identity
versus Spearmint Love, the brand.
So yeah, we're gonna try some new things this year.
The business I think is ever evolving, would you agree?
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Yeah, always.
Every business is.
You can't stand still, that's for sure.
No, you always have to evolve.
And the world changes so fast nowadays.
So you have to be quick to pivot, I would say.
And so yeah, we're gonna experiment with some new things
with Spearmint Love versus Spearmint Baby.
And then John and I wanna start a side hustle.
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So yeah.
Yeah.
So by the way, it's kind of funny.
I'm like sitting here looking at the whiteboard over there
and there's like integral calculus written on the whiteboard
which I'm not sure why, but anyway.
So I have to ask Benjamin and Alicia
why there's integrals on the whiteboard.
I have no idea.
So I don't know what they were working on.
By the way, did you set a timer for this podcast?
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I didn't set a timer for it.
We're just gonna talk until we feel like
not talking anymore.
No, I agree, but I try to keep these at around 28 minutes
and I forgot to set my alarm.
Well, I can see.
I think we're probably at 14 minutes
or something like that.
So anyway, like I said, we're here on the weekend
and we're doing this big brainstorm today
for our next side hustle.
And unfortunately, John leaves town tomorrow.
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Yes.
So I'm kind of bummed about that.
But once you come back, we're on spring break.
Yes.
So that should be fun.
Yeah, I'm going on a trip.
I'm going to Florida with some guys.
We all invested in the TGL, the Tiger Woods
and Rory McElroy Golf League.
So we're investors in that league,
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Sherry and I are, along with some other folks.
And we're gonna go down and see two matches on Monday
and hang out with some of the other folks
that are investors with us
and should be a really fun time.
And then I also, we have a relationship with UBS.
And so I'm gonna meet with UBS while I'm down there.
And because our relationship is with them
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down in Palm Beach.
So should be a lot of fun, but I'm gonna, you know,
I really, I like traveling with my friends,
but I also really like traveling with my family.
And so then I come back for two days
and then we go to Mexico, we go to Cabo.
Yeah, we're on spring break.
We went back and forth, you know,
about what we were gonna do for spring break.
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And for about two weeks, I was planning a trip to Egypt.
Yeah.
And then I realized we have seven days.
Yeah. It was a lot.
We've been so busy lately.
I just decided, you know what?
I just, I need to go on a trip and just lay around.
Yeah, sit by the pool.
I need to sit by the pool.
I need one of those trips.
So. And it'll be better for brainstorming
as opposed to like, I don't know that like,
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you know, taking in the pyramids and the pharaohs
and all this other stuff is a great place for brainstorming.
I think sitting by the pool and, you know,
having a margarita and some, you know, some tacos
and some guacamole is probably a great way
to sit around and brainstorm.
So we're putting the Egypt trip on hold.
Yes.
And we're gonna go just have a week to decompress.
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Yes. Chill and think.
Yeah. Hopefully get a little exercise,
get a little swimming in.
I need a tan.
Yeah, I need a tan.
I am so pale this winter.
I am so pale, but I'm trying to embrace it.
This is what I look like.
Whatever.
You know, but I'm looking forward
to hopefully getting a little bit of a tan.
Yeah, that'd be good.
With a little mineral sunblock,
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nothing toxic on my skin.
Yes.
So yeah, it should be a really, really nice seven days
with the family.
We're going to our favorite resort.
So stay tuned to Instagram stories
and I'll show you where we are come next Friday.
All right. What are the big things that are going on?
I don't know, but I think we cut the podcast here
because I think, is this 43 minutes?
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Is that what that means?
No, it's only 20 minutes.
Oh, you can see.
Yeah.
Oh, okay. I'm like, oh my gosh, we've been on for 43.
I can never, the weird thing about podcasting
is you have no idea how long you're talking for
if you don't like set a timer.
Yeah.
Like, I don't know if I've been talking for three minutes
or what I thought that meant it was 43 minutes.
What does that mean anyway?
I don't know.
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I can't see what you're looking at.
I'm looking at it.
I'm looking at the timer on there.
It's probably how long ago I turned the roadcaster on.
Oh, got it.
All right. So you're keeping track.
Yeah, I am.
I can see that.
Wait, what did you ask me?
I asked what else is going on?
What other things are you thinking about right now?
What's on your mind?
Well, summer's coming.
Yes, it is.
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And we have to start figuring out
what we're gonna do this summer.
Yes, we do.
Any thoughts?
Well, I know what I wanna do, but we'll see.
I would love to go to Croatia and Montenegro,
but we'll see.
Okay. We'll see.
So we gotta start planning that.
Yes.
I think last year,
right when we got back from spring break,
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we booked some of our summer plans.
That's right.
Right?
What did we do last year?
We went to Greece.
We went to Greece and we went to Switzerland.
We went to Geneva.
Didn't we do something else or no?
Yeah, we may have done something in the middle.
Did we go see you?
No, that was...
No, I think it was just...
Yeah, I actually think it was just Greece.
It was 10 days in Greece.
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Yeah.
And then probably 10 days in...
Switzerland.
No, it wasn't Geneva.
It was Zurich.
Oh, Zurich. You're right.
It was somewhere.
Yes.
So we did like a beachy,
jump in the ocean kind of trip.
And then we did a...
Mountainy thing.
Yeah. Although we didn't go to that many mountains.
No.
Actually, no, I take that back.
We actually did.
Zurich was great.
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I really enjoyed Zurich.
I actually enjoy Switzerland.
I really like Switzerland.
Switzerland's great.
It's very, very expensive if you haven't been.
Stupid expensive.
If you're looking for a place to buy a $12 Starbucks,
then Switzerland's great for you.
Yeah, like if you compare Poland and Switzerland,
it's just like crazy.
So we were in Poland and you could go buy
like a one liter bottle of water at like,
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you know, a Circle K in downtown,
like in the heart of the tourist district
for like 50 cents, right?
You go try to buy that same thing in Switzerland
and it's like $8.
Yeah.
It's just amazing how much more expensive everything is
in Switzerland.
Poland was one of my favorite places I've ever been.
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Yeah, Poland's awesome.
It was like so refreshing.
You got so sick though.
I did.
Oh God, I got knocked out, which is so unlike me,
but yeah, I got really sick.
Yeah, I was kind of on my own on that trip
because you were out.
It sucked.
Yeah, I was down hard for two, two and a half days.
Like I got my nails done in Poland for like $30.
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I mean, so cheap.
Yes.
And then Harper and I got massages.
Yeah, you guys did a lot of stuff.
We did, we did some beauty treatments.
It's great for like, if you're going to Poland,
plan ahead and you can get a lot of beauty treatments.
Like really, really good beauty treatments
for really inexpensive.
Yeah, I mean, like, so just to put it in perspective,
in Poland, we're a family of four,
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we would go out to dinner
and we were eating at like nice place.
It's not like fancy places,
not like Michelin three-star restaurants
or anything like that,
but we were going to nice restaurants.
It was hard to spend a hundred bucks in Poland.
And I didn't have-
For a family of four.
I would even have a glass or two of wine, appetizers.
I don't think we did dessert at that restaurant.
(22:03):
Yeah.
That you're thinking of, right?
No, we're not big dessert people.
But yeah, I think like, you know,
we could spend $75 and get a really, really good meal.
Yeah, it would be less than 400 zloty,
which 400 zloty roughly is a hundred bucks.
And like here, if we were to get the same food,
it would be probably $200.
Oh, easy.
Easy?
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Yeah, it's so much more like, yeah.
So it is a very affordable place.
You know, people could still afford to live there.
Yeah, I want to go back to Poland.
So we did Warsaw.
We spent a week in Warsaw.
And I want to go back to Poland,
maybe one Christmas and do crack out.
Yeah, it's supposed to be beautiful.
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Because I loved it.
And I loved the temperature too,
because you could put on your heavy coats
and walk around and it wasn't too cold,
but you could still wear winter coats,
which I love because in Arizona,
you can't wear that kind of stuff.
Agreed.
Like in Scottsdale,
like you could never put on a heavy winter coat.
Agreed.
Like I wear in Poland.
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So it was really, really nice to get some seasons,
especially at Christmas time.
Yes.
Plus the Christmas and New Year's
firework display was phenomenal.
Yep.
And it was so not touristy.
Agreed.
Like you go to Italy, it's like so packed.
Yeah.
Like so touristy.
It was great.
It was busy, but it's everybody,
it's like everybody felt like they were from Poland.
(23:26):
Yeah.
Basically everyone who was there was from Poland.
It felt like we were just among the locals.
It was really, really cool.
Yeah, it was actually a great trip.
Yeah, it was really fun.
Other than you getting sick.
Yes, agreed.
So anyway,
off on a tangent a little bit.
Yeah, this episode's a bit all over the place,
but that's okay.
We're learning new skills.
So,
(23:47):
what skills have you learned recently?
Any new skills?
Wait, with podcasting?
With anything.
Well, I think with podcasting,
the first skill I'm learning is to like
accept the sound of my voice.
Ha ha ha.
That's interesting.
Right?
Because I think that it was really hard
to put myself out there on Instagram stories
in the beginning because one, I had to look at my face,
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and then two, I had to hear my voice.
And I think both things make me really self-conscious.
Yeah.
Right?
Like to put your,
that's why people don't put themselves out there as much.
Right?
Right.
On social media.
Yeah, I'm the opposite.
I don't like putting myself,
I don't like appearing my face or my,
just being on Instagram, like the video side.
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I do it because it's part of our business.
Right.
But to me, talking and hearing the sound of my voice
is, that is not hard for me.
It's the putting my face, putting myself out there.
I don't know why.
Well, you have a nice voice too.
Well, no.
Yeah, I just feel comfortable.
I like to ask questions.
I like talking.
I like debating things.
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And so for me, it's a very natural format,
whereas Instagram is about as unnatural
as it could possibly be for me.
Yeah.
Well, I think I've, you know, the more I think about it,
I just have always been a really self-conscious person.
Yeah.
I think it's more common with females though.
Perhaps.
Do you think?
I don't know.
I think there's self-conscious people in all shapes and sizes.
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Yeah, so maybe not.
But, so here's another example of a skill.
Okay.
So one of the things I've been playing with is AI.
I've been working with Grok and Chatt GBT
and a bunch of different things.
And I've been spending a lot of time in developing prompts,
which I think is kind of interesting.
So it's kind of amazing to me because this is, you know,
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such an unbelievable time to be able to create shit.
And it doesn't matter whether it's YouTube videos
or building apps or, you know, creating a store
or creating a new product.
It's like, there's never been a better time
in the history of humanity.
There's never been more tools at your disposal.
And at the same time,
it's also never been more like competitive, right?
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Cause there's just like, there's a million stores,
there's a million apps,
there's a million this's, a million that's.
And I think one of the things that I'm really spending
a lot of time thinking about is how to create things
that are truly unique.
And so that's kind of fun.
But I have really enjoyed using new tools like, you know,
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podcasting formats or using AI and Grok and ChatGPT
and, you know, Versal and Cursor
and all these different things.
I think it's really kind of interesting.
So you really think there are still things that exist
that are truly unique though?
Yeah, a hundred percent.
There's always unique things that are unique.
Like, I mean, I could go way off on the tangent here,
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but like the entire world is gonna open up the space
that's gonna create an entire new,
like think about how when everyone lived on the East Coast
in the 1700s and then in the 1800s, everyone went West
and how the railroads and steel and the locomotive
and steam engines and all these things
opened up an entirely new world.
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And you'd have to get, you know,
worry about getting bit on the ass by a rattlesnake
when you're taking a leak or whatever.
And, you know, but all these risks came,
but then all this opportunity came with it.
And I think, you know, whether it's AI and robots
and space travel and all this stuff,
like we're approaching an era that's gonna feel a lot
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like the great Westward expansion.
And it's gonna, like the amount of opportunity
that's gonna come from that is truly mind boggling.
And so I think embracing that and starting to think about
how do you position yourself in that world?
Because I think there's a lot of things
that are gonna go away.
There's a lot of jobs that are gonna go away.
There's gonna be a lot of opportunity that's created
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for the people who are able to harness that
the same way that, you know, guys like Vanderbilt
became the richest man on earth
because he harnessed the steam engine, right?
So I don't know, I just think it's kind of
a really interesting time to be alive.
Yeah, that makes sense.
I can't even, my brain doesn't even,
like I can't even think about the things that don't exist.
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Yeah. Right?
It's hard for me to even imagine.
Yeah, I like thinking about things
that like I have the saying which is
work on the thing that isn't inevitable
that hasn't happened yet.
So there's, you know, there's lots of interesting examples.
I've never heard you say that before.
Yeah, well, I kind of, there's some things I actually,
I have secret thoughts.
Okay. I have thoughts I keep to myself.
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That's okay, I just never heard you say that before.
That's funny.
Well, yeah, it should be interesting to see.
And you know, those are the things we'll talk about
here on the podcast.
Yeah.
So one of the things I was thinking about today
was the whole idea of like the questions I ask them,
why I ask them.
So that'll be fun to explore as we develop our podcast
and figure out what our niche is gonna be.
All right, well, let's leave it at that.
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We'll cut it here.
It's a teaser for future episodes.
Yeah.
What questions and what interesting topics
we're gonna cover.
If you are still here at the end,
if you've listened to the whole thing.
If you've listened to this shit show
and stayed all the way through the end, thank you.
If you haven't tuned us out yet,
keep listening to our podcast.
Give us a review.
Yes.
And let us know what you wanna hear about.
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Yes.
Eventually we wanna do some interviews.
We're gonna probably hopefully bring in some guests.
Yes, we have some CEOs that we were lining up
and some founders that should be really interesting.
Yeah.
And let's wrap it here.
Okay.
See you next time.
All right, we are live.
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We are live.
On our very first podcast,
which is kind of interesting because it's just the two of us.
Usually Alicia sets this up for us.
So I learned a new skill today, which is how to use-
Oh wait, before you continue to go on the skill,
this is our third podcast together.
No, it's the first one we're doing all by ourselves
like big girls and boys.
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It is the first one.
That's what I mean.
Okay, so that's fair.
All right, so tell me about the skill you learned.
I learned how to use Adobe Audition
and our Rodecaster system.
Learned how to label our microphones and do all this stuff.
And it was kind of interesting.
I like being 56 years old and still learning new skills.
I think I wanna always learn new skills
(00:44):
until they put me in a box and send me away somewhere.
I agree.
And you're very good.
You pick up on things really quickly.
I don't know if I could have set this up this quickly.
So-
We did get some help from Alicia though, by the way.
We did.
So it's Saturday.
It is Saturday.
And we are in the warehouse today.
We are.
Do you call it the warehouse or the office?
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The warehouse.
The warehouse.
Yes, it's a very warehousey vibe, which I like actually.
Yeah, we're in the office part of our warehouse
and I love this building.
I do too.
It was a great purchase.
We bought this building back.
When did we buy this building?
Back in 2020?
2020, when everyone was freaking out.
Right before COVID hit big time.
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No, it was right after it hit big time.
But it wasn't a big deal though.
We went to contract in May.
COVID started in March.
So we were like two months in the COVID
and everyone was still like not sure
how the world was gonna work post COVID and all this stuff.
And we closed on the building and moved in in July.
So we went to contract in May.
(01:49):
May and June was kind of like our approval
and diligence period.
And then we closed the move in July and August.
We looked for a building for a really long time.
Yes, and everyone was pissed at me
because it took too long.
And not surprising, but we used to work out of a warehouse
in Scottsdale that we rented.
(02:10):
And it was about, well, originally my first warehouse
was 1200 square feet.
Then we took over the rest of that building,
which turned the 1200 square feet into.
5,000.
6,000.
And we also grabbed a warehouse space
across the street, I would say.
That was another 1200, right?
(02:32):
Yeah, that's right.
So we had what about.
6,000 square feet, 6,200 maybe.
Probably 6,500, yeah.
So a little over 6,000 square feet.
And we knocked down a wall that divided the two spaces.
So we could have one kind of continuous warehouse space.
We could build like racking.
Yeah, it was a great warehouse by the way.
It was. It was a really great space.
(02:52):
And the location was so great.
Yes, yeah, the location was awesome.
If we were in that warehouse today,
it's like three minutes from our house.
Yeah, a lot of good memories there,
but that was a rental.
We rented for how many years?
We got that space in what, 2016?
Yep.
And.
Yeah, we kept it even after we bought the building.
(03:13):
So we had a five year lease basically on the thing.
So we rented for five years,
and then we decided to purchase a building in 2020.
Right after COVID hit, like John said.
And it was the best thing we ever did
because this building has really appreciated.
Yeah, and it's been a great home for us to build,
experiment and do everything.
(03:34):
So it's a great home base and I love the building.
So the space now is not in Scottsdale,
it's in Tempe, Arizona.
And we went back and forth with like location
where we wanted to be,
but ultimately I'm so glad we decided on this location.
I feel like it's more central
for more of the people who work here.
Yeah, me too.
It's an easier commute for a lot of people.
(03:55):
Yep.
And I don't mind the commute.
No, it's actually pretty easy.
I love the commute.
I just jump on the 101.
Yeah.
And I turn my podcast on
and I get about what, 22 minutes, depending on traffic.
It's about 22 minutes to get here.
And I get like a half a podcast in.
And then my drive home,
I listen to the other half of my podcasts.
(04:16):
Yes.
I'm really into listening to podcasts right now.
Yes, I know you are.
You are on a podcast journey.
And I like to send to John
and tell him to listen to them.
You're doing pretty good though.
I've sent him two podcasts in the last.
That I actually listened to.
She sent me about like 10 before that.
And I think I listened to like maybe half of one.
Yeah, a lot of them are in health and wellness.
So I think it's annoying to John.
(04:37):
Things that are toxic.
I'm gonna health kick.
What can I say?
But then I sent him a Mr. Beast podcast.
Yeah, which I liked.
Actually, no.
I can't take credit for that.
Alicia sent the team a Mr. Beast podcast.
Yeah, and you told me to listen to it.
Which I listened to.
It was phenomenal.
(04:58):
And then I sent it to John.
And now after that podcast,
I'm going back and I'm listening to actually
the Joe Rogan Mr. Beast podcast.
Which is from I think 2022.
Yeah, something like that.
And I don't usually like to listen to old podcasts.
I like them to be like new releases.
Yeah.
But I find Mr. Beast so fascinating
(05:19):
that it's really fun to listen to him.
And in the podcast I'm listening to right now,
he's only 23 years old and he's only like.
What, 27 now?
Yeah, he's only 27 now, but he's so successful.
It's crazy.
It's very inspiring.
Yeah, that's awesome.
So anyway, so we were talking about that
at Bagel Breakfast this morning.
John bought a new book.
Yeah.
What is it called?
Oh, I can't remember.
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You should have brought it up here.
It's like the Million Dollar Weekend
or something like that.
It's like, yes.
Because we're on this side hustle journey right now,
Sherry and I.
And so I thought it was an interesting book
to stimulate some conversation.
And I'll bring it with us on our trip to Mexico.
And as we start thinking about what side hustle
we're gonna start next,
(06:01):
I think it'll be a really good book for us to discuss.
And I'll tell you what,
while you talk about that for a second,
I'll pull the name of the book up so we can plug it.
So John and I decided we wanna start another side hustle.
So I kind of feel like this podcast
is our first new side hustle.
Do you agree?
(06:21):
I do.
And I'm trying to do a podcast every week with John
and then a podcast or two every week with my team.
So last week we did one podcast with the team.
I did one podcast with the team.
And then this is our first podcast this week.
Yes.
And we're trying to figure out like what our niche,
(06:42):
what our focus is gonna be.
But for right now we're just kind of learning
and just getting some reps in.
But the name of the book, by the way,
is The Million Dollar Weekend by Noah Kagan.
So far pretty good, pretty interesting.
So I'll give you guys more feedback later,
but so far I'm pretty digging it.
So we're in the kind of early stages of brainstorming.
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And the concept, the idea of the brainstorm is
what are some new business ideas we can pursue
on the side of our main job, which is Spearman's, right?
And I like the idea.
So Spearman is very, I would say,
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it's a cash intensive business
because you have to hold a lot of inventory.
Correct.
So I feel like my side hustle,
I kind of want it to be a less cash intensive business.
Yeah, where you're not tying up a lot of capital
in the inventory or whatever, yes.
Right, like I think that I wanna do something
(07:45):
in content maybe, what do you think?
Content, software, different things.
So services, businesses are interesting too.
But I have a pretty open mind.
That's actually one of my problems is
I can see opportunity in a lot of different things.
So, which is one of the reasons I like working with Sherry
because she's better at picking,
(08:05):
like saying, no, we're gonna do this.
And I think that's an interesting process
for us to go through.
We don't always agree.
Yeah, but John's really good
at becoming good at everything.
Like he could do 12 things that he's good at at the same time.
I'm really good at picking the one thing
I think I might be good at and going really deep in it.
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Do you agree?
Yeah, like we always talk about like
when you started vlogging
and you were making like 56 cents a day.
33.
Yeah, 33.
I guess I give you too much credit at 56 cents.
Yeah, most people would have quit at that point
and you just didn't.
And you're a grinder for sure, without a doubt.
So when Harper was born, I started,
(08:48):
well, actually before Harper was born, I started a blog.
It was called lotbaby.blogspot.com.
Back then we used Blogspot, not WordPress.
And I don't even know what people are using nowadays.
But anyway, so I started this blog.
Substack probably for blogs.
Yeah, you're probably right.
God, the world's changed.
Okay, so Harper is 16 now.
So 16 years ago, when I was still pregnant,
(09:10):
I started blogging and I would just kind of talk
about pregnancy and take a picture of belly growth.
And it was pretty simple.
And obviously once Harper was born,
there was like less to talk about.
It was just kind of pictures of her.
Yeah, like her not liking peas.
Right.
Which is like the first image that comes to mind.
So then after she was born, she was born in December
(09:33):
and early April, I started a blog called Spearman Baby.
Yes.
And that blog became more about talking about
like just overall baby stuff.
Yeah, setting up a nursery.
Decorating your nursery or a baby blanket
(09:54):
or things babies do.
It was just all kinds of random stuff.
And I always liked kind of the visual side of it.
I liked like kind of showing pictures of things
versus writing big essays about products.
Yes.
I don't particularly love writing.
And so I did this for, I started in what?
(10:17):
Early 2000, what year was it?
2009.
Yeah, I was gonna say 2009.
So yeah, so I started in April 2009.
And I was going pretty strong for I would say four years.
And by the fourth year,
Instagram kind of appeared out of nowhere and Pinterest.
And I signed up for those platforms.
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I put a pin it button on my,
I remember doing the pin it button on my blog page.
And I remember-
You thought you were a fancy.
I did, and I could change the color of it.
I learned, I taught myself how to do all the HTML
and I could make the button be like in a heart shape
or like pink color or green color.
And I was like, wow, this is so cool and cute.
And you could like pin my images from my blog.
(11:01):
And then Instagram came about.
And I was, I'm always really late to the game by the way.
I feel like everybody,
I feel like everybody starts trends before me.
Interesting.
But anyway, so I started doing Pinterest and Instagram
and I loved those platforms
because I didn't have to write like an essay.
(11:24):
I could just show the visual.
And that's kind of where my heart was.
Like the photo.
Still is.
The visual, not writing a big lung caption.
Yeah, no, I agree with that.
I mean, you know, even when we travel,
like you always capture,
it's interesting to see Harper actually has a really good eye
for pictures too.
(11:44):
She captures some really good images, but yes.
But like when we go on trips, you capture great images.
And I just think you're really good at that.
It's kind of a natural talent of yours.
And it's interesting to see Harper starting
to develop that talent.
She's pretty good at that too.
Yeah, she is.
And that's just what I enjoy.
And I still struggle on Instagram, if I post a picture,
(12:07):
like writing the caption is the hardest part.
Yeah.
Like I'm like, get this look for your baby.
So novel and creative.
It's not my strong thing.
Like I know I'm quite, I'm well aware
of like my strengths and weaknesses.
And I think writing is one of my weaknesses.
Yeah.
You should do pictures with no captions
(12:28):
and tell people to name it, to caption the picture.
I should.
Because you hate doing it.
And actually it'd be fun to see what other people,
how other people would caption the picture.
Yeah, that's a good idea.
Why don't you do a picture, a couple of pictures,
like cool pictures that you love and say,
how would you caption this picture?
Yeah, I wonder if people would write.
I don't know, probably get some engagement.
I have no engagement on my Instagram right now.
I know, sad.
It's tough times on Instagram.
(12:51):
Yeah.
Hopefully we'll turn that around.
Hopefully Instagram will turn it around.
Yes.
I feel like I need like, I need a new,
I don't know, I need something new.
Yeah.
I need to try an experiment or something.
Should always be trying experiments every day.
Yeah, anyway.
So, so yeah, so I was blogging for about four years
(13:11):
and then Instagram and Pinterest came around.
And at that time I was going to trade shows
for the baby industry.
And I would walk around and interview people
who founded companies and started products
and were innovators.
And I found that side of the business
(13:32):
super, super interesting.
And I also felt like I always had a knack for sales.
So I decided instead of blogging,
I wanted to sell baby stuff.
Yep.
Right?
And so I started selling baby stuff.
Yeah.
And that's what built Spearmint Love.
(13:53):
So yeah, so Spearmint Baby was my blog name.
And I wanted to keep kind of that name going.
So I named my store when I opened up my online store,
which was in?
September of 2013.
Yes, good.
Oh my gosh, you have a good memory.
Yeah, so in September 2013 I opened up an online store
(14:14):
called spearmintlove.com.
And it's still called spearmintlove.com.
But that is why my Instagram handle is spearmintbaby.
Because it came from the blog.
Because it came from the blog.
And I never changed that.
And that's how everyone knew you.
Yeah, that's right.
But I actually own Spearmint Love on Instagram as well.
Agreed.
And we should explore what to do with that.
Yeah, because I've never done anything with that.
(14:35):
Because like I view Spearmint Baby more as your identity
and Spearmint Love is the brand.
And there's a difference between the two.
True.
And it'll be fun to explore the difference
between Spearmint Baby as you and your identity
versus Spearmint Love, the brand.
So yeah, we're gonna try some new things this year.
The business I think is ever evolving, would you agree?
(14:55):
Yeah, always.
Every business is.
You can't stand still, that's for sure.
No, you always have to evolve.
And the world changes so fast nowadays.
So you have to be quick to pivot, I would say.
And so yeah, we're gonna experiment with some new things
with Spearmint Love versus Spearmint Baby.
And then John and I wanna start a side hustle.
(15:18):
So yeah.
Yeah.
So by the way, it's kind of funny.
I'm like sitting here looking at the whiteboard over there
and there's like integral calculus written on the whiteboard
which I'm not sure why, but anyway.
So I have to ask Benjamin and Alicia
why there's integrals on the whiteboard.
I have no idea.
So I don't know what they were working on.
By the way, did you set a timer for this podcast?
(15:40):
I didn't set a timer for it.
We're just gonna talk until we feel like
not talking anymore.
No, I agree, but I try to keep these at around 28 minutes
and I forgot to set my alarm.
Well, I can see.
I think we're probably at 14 minutes
or something like that.
So anyway, like I said, we're here on the weekend
and we're doing this big brainstorm today
for our next side hustle.
And unfortunately, John leaves town tomorrow.
(16:02):
Yes.
So I'm kind of bummed about that.
But once you come back, we're on spring break.
Yes.
So that should be fun.
Yeah, I'm going on a trip.
I'm going to Florida with some guys.
We all invested in the TGL, the Tiger Woods
and Rory McElroy Golf League.
So we're investors in that league,
(16:23):
Sherry and I are, along with some other folks.
And we're gonna go down and see two matches on Monday
and hang out with some of the other folks
that are investors with us
and should be a really fun time.
And then I also, we have a relationship with UBS.
And so I'm gonna meet with UBS while I'm down there.
And because our relationship is with them
(16:46):
down in Palm Beach.
So should be a lot of fun, but I'm gonna, you know,
I really, I like traveling with my friends,
but I also really like traveling with my family.
And so then I come back for two days
and then we go to Mexico, we go to Cabo.
Yeah, we're on spring break.
We went back and forth, you know,
about what we were gonna do for spring break.
(17:07):
And for about two weeks, I was planning a trip to Egypt.
Yeah.
And then I realized we have seven days.
Yeah. It was a lot.
We've been so busy lately.
I just decided, you know what?
I just, I need to go on a trip and just lay around.
Yeah, sit by the pool.
I need to sit by the pool.
I need one of those trips.
So. And it'll be better for brainstorming
as opposed to like, I don't know that like,
(17:30):
you know, taking in the pyramids and the pharaohs
and all this other stuff is a great place for brainstorming.
I think sitting by the pool and, you know,
having a margarita and some, you know, some tacos
and some guacamole is probably a great way
to sit around and brainstorm.
So we're putting the Egypt trip on hold.
Yes.
And we're gonna go just have a week to decompress.
(17:51):
Yes. Chill and think.
Yeah. Hopefully get a little exercise,
get a little swimming in.
I need a tan.
Yeah, I need a tan.
I am so pale this winter.
I am so pale, but I'm trying to embrace it.
This is what I look like.
Whatever.
You know, but I'm looking forward
to hopefully getting a little bit of a tan.
Yeah, that'd be good.
With a little mineral sunblock,
(18:11):
nothing toxic on my skin.
Yes.
So yeah, it should be a really, really nice seven days
with the family.
We're going to our favorite resort.
So stay tuned to Instagram stories
and I'll show you where we are come next Friday.
All right. What are the big things that are going on?
I don't know, but I think we cut the podcast here
because I think, is this 43 minutes?
(18:31):
Is that what that means?
No, it's only 20 minutes.
Oh, you can see.
Yeah.
Oh, okay. I'm like, oh my gosh, we've been on for 43.
I can never, the weird thing about podcasting
is you have no idea how long you're talking for
if you don't like set a timer.
Yeah.
Like, I don't know if I've been talking for three minutes
or what I thought that meant it was 43 minutes.
What does that mean anyway?
I don't know.
(18:52):
I can't see what you're looking at.
I'm looking at it.
I'm looking at the timer on there.
It's probably how long ago I turned the roadcaster on.
Oh, got it.
All right. So you're keeping track.
Yeah, I am.
I can see that.
Wait, what did you ask me?
I asked what else is going on?
What other things are you thinking about right now?
What's on your mind?
Well, summer's coming.
Yes, it is.
(19:12):
And we have to start figuring out
what we're gonna do this summer.
Yes, we do.
Any thoughts?
Well, I know what I wanna do, but we'll see.
I would love to go to Croatia and Montenegro,
but we'll see.
Okay. We'll see.
So we gotta start planning that.
Yes.
I think last year,
right when we got back from spring break,
(19:33):
we booked some of our summer plans.
That's right.
Right?
What did we do last year?
We went to Greece.
We went to Greece and we went to Switzerland.
We went to Geneva.
Didn't we do something else or no?
Yeah, we may have done something in the middle.
Did we go see you?
No, that was...
No, I think it was just...
Yeah, I actually think it was just Greece.
It was 10 days in Greece.
(19:53):
Yeah.
And then probably 10 days in...
Switzerland.
No, it wasn't Geneva.
It was Zurich.
Oh, Zurich. You're right.
It was somewhere.
Yes.
So we did like a beachy,
jump in the ocean kind of trip.
And then we did a...
Mountainy thing.
Yeah. Although we didn't go to that many mountains.
No.
Actually, no, I take that back.
We actually did.
Zurich was great.
(20:14):
I really enjoyed Zurich.
I actually enjoy Switzerland.
I really like Switzerland.
Switzerland's great.
It's very, very expensive if you haven't been.
Stupid expensive.
If you're looking for a place to buy a $12 Starbucks,
then Switzerland's great for you.
Yeah, like if you compare Poland and Switzerland,
it's just like crazy.
So we were in Poland and you could go buy
like a one liter bottle of water at like,
(20:36):
you know, a Circle K in downtown,
like in the heart of the tourist district
for like 50 cents, right?
You go try to buy that same thing in Switzerland
and it's like $8.
Yeah.
It's just amazing how much more expensive everything is
in Switzerland.
Poland was one of my favorite places I've ever been.
(20:57):
Yeah, Poland's awesome.
It was like so refreshing.
You got so sick though.
I did.
Oh God, I got knocked out, which is so unlike me,
but yeah, I got really sick.
Yeah, I was kind of on my own on that trip
because you were out.
It sucked.
Yeah, I was down hard for two, two and a half days.
Like I got my nails done in Poland for like $30.
(21:19):
I mean, so cheap.
Yes.
And then Harper and I got massages.
Yeah, you guys did a lot of stuff.
We did, we did some beauty treatments.
It's great for like, if you're going to Poland,
plan ahead and you can get a lot of beauty treatments.
Like really, really good beauty treatments
for really inexpensive.
Yeah, I mean, like, so just to put it in perspective,
in Poland, we're a family of four,
(21:42):
we would go out to dinner
and we were eating at like nice place.
It's not like fancy places,
not like Michelin three-star restaurants
or anything like that,
but we were going to nice restaurants.
It was hard to spend a hundred bucks in Poland.
And I didn't have-
For a family of four.
I would even have a glass or two of wine, appetizers.
I don't think we did dessert at that restaurant.
(22:03):
Yeah.
That you're thinking of, right?
No, we're not big dessert people.
But yeah, I think like, you know,
we could spend $75 and get a really, really good meal.
Yeah, it would be less than 400 zloty,
which 400 zloty roughly is a hundred bucks.
And like here, if we were to get the same food,
it would be probably $200.
Oh, easy.
Easy?
(22:23):
Yeah, it's so much more like, yeah.
So it is a very affordable place.
You know, people could still afford to live there.
Yeah, I want to go back to Poland.
So we did Warsaw.
We spent a week in Warsaw.
And I want to go back to Poland,
maybe one Christmas and do crack out.
Yeah, it's supposed to be beautiful.
(22:44):
Because I loved it.
And I loved the temperature too,
because you could put on your heavy coats
and walk around and it wasn't too cold,
but you could still wear winter coats,
which I love because in Arizona,
you can't wear that kind of stuff.
Agreed.
Like in Scottsdale,
like you could never put on a heavy winter coat.
Agreed.
Like I wear in Poland.
(23:05):
So it was really, really nice to get some seasons,
especially at Christmas time.
Yes.
Plus the Christmas and New Year's
firework display was phenomenal.
Yep.
And it was so not touristy.
Agreed.
Like you go to Italy, it's like so packed.
Yeah.
Like so touristy.
It was great.
It was busy, but it's everybody,
it's like everybody felt like they were from Poland.
(23:26):
Yeah.
Basically everyone who was there was from Poland.
It felt like we were just among the locals.
It was really, really cool.
Yeah, it was actually a great trip.
Yeah, it was really fun.
Other than you getting sick.
Yes, agreed.
So anyway,
off on a tangent a little bit.
Yeah, this episode's a bit all over the place,
but that's okay.
We're learning new skills.
So,
(23:47):
what skills have you learned recently?
Any new skills?
Wait, with podcasting?
With anything.
Well, I think with podcasting,
the first skill I'm learning is to like
accept the sound of my voice.
Ha ha ha.
That's interesting.
Right?
Because I think that it was really hard
to put myself out there on Instagram stories
in the beginning because one, I had to look at my face,
(24:09):
and then two, I had to hear my voice.
And I think both things make me really self-conscious.
Yeah.
Right?
Like to put your,
that's why people don't put themselves out there as much.
Right?
Right.
On social media.
Yeah, I'm the opposite.
I don't like putting myself,
I don't like appearing my face or my,
just being on Instagram, like the video side.
(24:32):
I do it because it's part of our business.
Right.
But to me, talking and hearing the sound of my voice
is, that is not hard for me.
It's the putting my face, putting myself out there.
I don't know why.
Well, you have a nice voice too.
Well, no.
Yeah, I just feel comfortable.
I like to ask questions.
I like talking.
I like debating things.
(24:53):
And so for me, it's a very natural format,
whereas Instagram is about as unnatural
as it could possibly be for me.
Yeah.
Well, I think I've, you know, the more I think about it,
I just have always been a really self-conscious person.
Yeah.
I think it's more common with females though.
Perhaps.
Do you think?
I don't know.
I think there's self-conscious people in all shapes and sizes.
(25:15):
Yeah, so maybe not.
But, so here's another example of a skill.
Okay.
So one of the things I've been playing with is AI.
I've been working with Grok and Chatt GBT
and a bunch of different things.
And I've been spending a lot of time in developing prompts,
which I think is kind of interesting.
So it's kind of amazing to me because this is, you know,
(25:37):
such an unbelievable time to be able to create shit.
And it doesn't matter whether it's YouTube videos
or building apps or, you know, creating a store
or creating a new product.
It's like, there's never been a better time
in the history of humanity.
There's never been more tools at your disposal.
And at the same time,
it's also never been more like competitive, right?
(26:01):
Cause there's just like, there's a million stores,
there's a million apps,
there's a million this's, a million that's.
And I think one of the things that I'm really spending
a lot of time thinking about is how to create things
that are truly unique.
And so that's kind of fun.
But I have really enjoyed using new tools like, you know,
(26:22):
podcasting formats or using AI and Grok and ChatGPT
and, you know, Versal and Cursor
and all these different things.
I think it's really kind of interesting.
So you really think there are still things that exist
that are truly unique though?
Yeah, a hundred percent.
There's always unique things that are unique.
Like, I mean, I could go way off on the tangent here,
(26:42):
but like the entire world is gonna open up the space
that's gonna create an entire new,
like think about how when everyone lived on the East Coast
in the 1700s and then in the 1800s, everyone went West
and how the railroads and steel and the locomotive
and steam engines and all these things
opened up an entirely new world.
(27:04):
And you'd have to get, you know,
worry about getting bit on the ass by a rattlesnake
when you're taking a leak or whatever.
And, you know, but all these risks came,
but then all this opportunity came with it.
And I think, you know, whether it's AI and robots
and space travel and all this stuff,
like we're approaching an era that's gonna feel a lot
(27:26):
like the great Westward expansion.
And it's gonna, like the amount of opportunity
that's gonna come from that is truly mind boggling.
And so I think embracing that and starting to think about
how do you position yourself in that world?
Because I think there's a lot of things
that are gonna go away.
There's a lot of jobs that are gonna go away.
There's gonna be a lot of opportunity that's created
(27:47):
for the people who are able to harness that
the same way that, you know, guys like Vanderbilt
became the richest man on earth
because he harnessed the steam engine, right?
So I don't know, I just think it's kind of
a really interesting time to be alive.
Yeah, that makes sense.
I can't even, my brain doesn't even,
like I can't even think about the things that don't exist.
(28:08):
Yeah. Right?
It's hard for me to even imagine.
Yeah, I like thinking about things
that like I have the saying which is
work on the thing that isn't inevitable
that hasn't happened yet.
So there's, you know, there's lots of interesting examples.
I've never heard you say that before.
Yeah, well, I kind of, there's some things I actually,
I have secret thoughts.
Okay. I have thoughts I keep to myself.
(28:30):
That's okay, I just never heard you say that before.
That's funny.
Well, yeah, it should be interesting to see.
And you know, those are the things we'll talk about
here on the podcast.
Yeah.
So one of the things I was thinking about today
was the whole idea of like the questions I ask them,
why I ask them.
So that'll be fun to explore as we develop our podcast
and figure out what our niche is gonna be.
All right, well, let's leave it at that.
(28:51):
We'll cut it here.
It's a teaser for future episodes.
Yeah.
What questions and what interesting topics
we're gonna cover.
If you are still here at the end,
if you've listened to the whole thing.
If you've listened to this shit show
and stayed all the way through the end, thank you.
If you haven't tuned us out yet,
keep listening to our podcast.
Give us a review.
Yes.
And let us know what you wanna hear about.
(29:12):
Yes.
Eventually we wanna do some interviews.
We're gonna probably hopefully bring in some guests.
Yes, we have some CEOs that we were lining up
and some founders that should be really interesting.
Yeah.
And let's wrap it here.
Okay.
See you next time.
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