February 18, 2025 • 28 mins
Today Shari is joined by Alicia and Carolyn from the team! We talk about love is blind, watching TV at work, eating your baby, having a dirty house, and more!
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(00:00):
You guys, today has been a fire drill.
(00:02):
Yes.
I feel like ever since I got here,
I've had like one meeting after another.
Yeah.
It's been so busy.
Yeah.
We're getting ready for Halloween.
We had a meeting with our podcast director.
Yes, very exciting.
Would you call him a podcast director?
Maybe producer.
Producer, that sounds much better.
I feel like he would technically be a producer.
(00:24):
Not about the content, just the technical part of things.
Yeah.
And then we talked about, we're revamping some things
on our website.
So we had like a website meeting.
What else did we talk about today?
We had an ad meeting.
We had an ad meeting, we're revamping our ads.
Oh my God, it's been busy.
Yeah.
It's been a very productive day though.
Yeah.
And now we're finally fitting in a podcast
cause Carolyn has to leave in literally 30 minutes.
(00:45):
Yes, our goal is to make a 30 minute podcast
and we have exactly 30 minutes before I have to go.
So we had no time to prep.
This is going to be spontaneous.
Our genuine just thoughts about,
we have a few topics I think.
Yeah.
So what do you guys want to talk about?
Well, as a quick intro, we have me, Alicia,
on the podcast today, obviously Sherri,
(01:06):
and then we have Carolyn back on the podcast.
Yes, I was on the first one
and then I haven't had any more practice.
So this is my second go at this.
Yes.
Trying to get everybody on the mic
so we all feel more confident.
I feel pretty good.
How do you guys feel?
I love it.
Yeah, no, I think it's, I feel good.
That's good.
So what do you guys want to talk about?
(01:28):
Should we talk about what we were going to talk about before
and you guys wouldn't let me?
Oh yeah.
I don't know anything about,
cause I know it's about love is blind, right?
Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
I don't know anything about it.
So you go ahead.
Okay, so John and I, the other day,
we were looking for a new show.
We tried like four shows
and we like hated the episode one of all of them.
(01:50):
So we kept like going through shows and I'm like,
well, I'm kind of in the mood to watch a dating show,
something easy.
Like I feel like dating shows are easy to watch
cause if you grab your phone during a dating show,
you won't like miss anything.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
You can easily catch up.
So let's try love is blind.
We haven't watched one of those series
for a really long time.
(02:10):
And so we watched episode one and two last night
and I loved it.
Really?
I thought it was really fun.
I'm like super into it right now.
I thought like, I love the psychology of the show.
I love the idea of people finding love
and you know, you've seen it before, right?
No, I haven't.
You've never seen it?
(02:30):
No, I've only seen the bachelor.
That's the only like dating show that I've watched.
Okay, this is gonna be a work assignment for you.
You are gonna be required to watch love is blind.
I don't have Netflix though.
Oh, how are we gonna get it to you then?
You have to pay for her Netflix.
Even my parents don't have Netflix.
So I can't even like mooch off them.
Okay.
(02:50):
So I have no one to mooch off for Netflix.
Will my Netflix account get banned
if I gave you my password?
Well, it doesn't work that way anymore apparently.
It doesn't?
No, cause you can't share Netflix passwords.
Like you have to be on the same like wifi or something.
Okay, we're gonna have to research this after the podcast.
Yeah.
Because we have to get your opinion on love is blind.
(03:12):
So anyway, so John and I finished the first two episodes.
However, Carolyn's way ahead.
What episode are you on?
I think I only have 20 minutes left of episode six.
Okay.
Which is like everything that's out so far.
Okay.
Before they release more.
When do they release more?
I don't know, I need to look it up.
But yeah, I'm excited.
So I guess we can't really talk about it
(03:34):
because you can not spoil it for me.
I'm so into it.
True, cause yeah, I don't remember
what was on episode one and two specifically.
And then obviously I can't talk about it
cause then I'll spoil it for Alicia.
Tell me the premise though.
Because there's something about people
can't see each other. Oh, you don't know what it's about?
They talk for a while.
Wait, let me tell you what I think the premise is.
Okay, okay.
I think they talk to each other
(03:55):
where they can only hear each other's voice.
Yes.
They can't really ask that much about what they look like.
Right.
And then eventually after a certain period,
whether they like, like if they still like each other,
then they meet like on their wedding day or something.
Yes.
Or is that 90 day fiance?
That's a good mix of what you described.
(04:15):
But basically they decide to get engaged in the pods.
They have not seen each other yet.
Oh, they're engaged inside the pods.
Well, they propose, I guess.
Usually the man proposes.
And then they have a reveal where they see each other
for the first time.
And then he usually gets down on one knee in person again.
Okay.
And usually they stick it out.
Okay.
(04:35):
For a little bit of this.
Oh, usually they do.
Like you see, I don't know that there's really been hardly
anyone who's like seen each other and instantly admitted
like, I don't even want to try this.
I think they give it a little bit of a shot.
I think this happened before though.
Like when they get to the hotel.
Oh, for sure.
Yeah.
So it's, everybody's coupled up.
Like choose, there's usually about six couples.
Then they go to like some exotic location,
(04:56):
like Mexico and they have like,
kind of like a honeymoon stage.
Okay.
Where they're in the same bedroom,
which can be, can get quite awkward.
If they're not.
With the cameras there and stuff at that point too.
Yes.
Can you imagine, see like, yes.
All of that combined.
And then like, there's always a point then where they get
to see the other couples.
(05:17):
So some of them had been dating like the other couples
that made it to this like resort.
Oh.
So that always adds a dynamic like,
Ooh, did someone like,
one of them kind of regret their decision.
Oh, she's more attractive in person than I'm with.
Right.
Something like that.
So there's several women and several men.
Yeah. So all the couples go together.
And so they have like little activities sometimes together.
(05:37):
And so it's interesting to see them meet their potential,
other potential, you know, connections.
When you're in the pod,
you may have a connection with more than one person.
Oh.
And then you might propose to the one
you have the best connection with.
I thought they matched you with one right away.
Okay.
And then when you're on the vacation,
then all of a sudden you might see the other love interest
you had in the pod and be like,
Oh, physically I'm much more connected to her or him.
(06:03):
I should have picked her or him.
Yeah.
And it's happened before.
Okay.
So, but I'm not even close to that part yet.
I have, I don't think they've even released it.
Unless it's the last 20 minutes, which I don't think it is.
I don't think we're out of the pods yet.
Okay.
Anyone is.
The last two seasons in the pods.
Yes.
And then the rest of it is them.
Okay.
Yes.
And then it goes on from the vacation.
Then they move into an apartment together.
(06:24):
So it's more real life.
It follows their real life, right?
And you know, a lot of like shit hits a fan.
Like a lot of people like start crumbling their relationships.
But the whole idea is,
can I fall in love with somebody based on their personality
and our conversations and then see them in person.
And if physically they're not really my type,
(06:45):
can I look past that because I have such a strong connection.
Yeah.
So John and I always argue about this
because John believes it's not possible
because he thinks there's so much physical, there's so,
he says, you know, in the first seven seconds
of seeing someone,
whether you're physically attracted to them.
Okay. I heard this on another podcast.
(07:06):
I was listening to it.
It was saying that men know within the first,
I don't remember if it was like seconds or minutes,
but they know very quickly
whether they just want to be friends,
they just want to hook up with you
or they see a long-term relationship with you.
And it never changes.
You can never like move yourself
from one category to another.
(07:27):
You don't think you can move yourself from a hookup
to a long-term relationship?
That's what the podcast was saying that men,
how men view it.
Huh. I'm gonna ask John that
because I feel like you could move from a hookup girl
for a man to a wife, if you get to know them better.
I think it for sure depends on the man.
(07:48):
But this was like the theory that I've seen like on TikTok
and a few podcasts have like talked about it.
So that's interesting.
I agree though with the hookup part,
like men know within seven seconds,
do I want to hook up with her?
Do I want to sleep with this girl?
Do I have no interest?
Because sexual chemistry is a big thing.
Supposedly more for men than women.
I'm sure there's exceptions with women,
but I kind of believe that.
(08:10):
What do you think Carolyn?
Man, I don't, I definitely, I mean, I think in general,
like physical attraction is a huge significant part
of like a romantic relationship.
But I don't know if I, I mean, I don't know,
I'm not a man, so I don't know how men think.
Would you, okay, so would, if you were single,
(08:30):
would you date in the pods?
Like would I go on the show?
Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, would you date in that way?
Whether you're on national television or not?
I would be open to trying it.
Okay.
I think that's why I'm not like a reality
TV person in general.
I specifically like, really like this love is blind.
I think cause I am, I like love like in depth conversations
(08:50):
and getting to know people.
And I think I like, I don't know, really appreciate that.
So I could see myself, I don't know.
I could try.
That would like appeal to you as you were single.
So my feeling about myself is if I was single
and obviously much younger, I think I would go,
I would be able to date on the pod.
But my gut feeling is when I met the person in person,
(09:12):
I'd be like, oh, I don't have chemistry.
Physically I'm not attracted.
Yes.
That's my feeling.
I don't think it would work for me.
Yeah.
Because I would build up this idea of how somebody looks
so much in my head while I'm dating them
and getting to know them.
And then I see them and they look completely different.
This is what I was talking about at Instagram this morning.
(09:33):
So I did this Instagram story this morning
where I talked about I would like as the viewer
to hear these conversations, but not see the two people.
Because I would love to go through,
because they're imagining what the other person looks like.
I would like the opportunity to do that.
To have the same experience.
To have the same experience.
Netflix, let's have this version.
(09:55):
A podcast version.
And then when they're revealing each other to themselves,
that's the first time I see them too.
That would be so interesting.
And be like, oh my God, I knew he looked like this.
Or, oh, I thought he had short hair.
He has really long hair.
Or I thought she was really, you know,
she was like five foot and she's like six foot.
I would love to see if I get it right.
(10:15):
Like wouldn't that be interesting?
Yeah, I saw people, like a group of friends on TikTok
and they put a blanket over their TV
and they all like had notepads
and they were watching Love is Blind together.
That's what I'm talking about.
Oh, we should do that.
I'm gonna do that next time.
I'm gonna make John do it next time I watch the show.
Put a blanket on the TV.
Yes.
He'll probably tune out though.
(10:36):
That would be hard to stay engaged.
But it would be so interesting.
Because like, you know, Carolyn and I are married.
So it's not like we're ever gonna go on the pods.
But I would love the opportunity to envision the person
without seeing them kinda like they do.
Yes.
Because it just seems kind of fun.
I might be just like too optimistic.
I'm like, oh yeah, I would do that.
And I think for some reason I'm thinking,
(10:57):
oh, and I would of course just like connect.
Like the person I connect with,
like, you know, without seeing them,
I'll find them attractive.
Like, I don't know.
You think you would?
You'd be optimistic.
Yes.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I don't know how I would feel about that.
I don't know if I would do that.
You should go on.
I'd be way too scared.
You should go on Netflix.
Netflix, we have somebody.
Oh my gosh.
(11:17):
I'd be way too scared.
We should apply.
Alicia. Yes.
You would be so good on the show.
That would be so awkward.
I can't imagine, like every time I watch like The Bachelor,
like, or Bachelorette,
like I just can't imagine being in those awkward situations.
Like I would be so awkward with like a camera,
like watching these like-
But you don't know it's there.
Cause there's no, the cameras are in the room.
There's no, nobody in the room.
(11:38):
But once you get out of the pods.
But I still know in my head that the cameras are there.
By the time you get out of the pods though,
I think you'd like, you would be more comfortable.
I don't think I can make it that far.
I would be too awkward.
No one would fall in love with me.
I don't think so.
I was actually sometimes trying to imagine like,
okay, I'm trying to pull up the cast.
I don't think this is a spoiler.
(11:59):
Can I say something?
Do not, I'll be so mad at you if you spoil it.
Okay.
Can I, I'm just going to show you a picture.
Okay.
I'm scared to look.
Oh my God, it's a picture of one of the cast members.
Like you, you know David, right?
Yeah.
He's like a main character.
Yes.
Yes, I know David.
Yes.
Did he already say his opening line to all the women?
(12:19):
Did you see that part?
I don't know what you mean by opening a line.
Like he has a line that could be very controversial.
Like most women would probably.
Really?
I don't even notice that.
I bet he said something about weight.
That's the question.
Oh, did he say something about weight?
I don't know.
No, not weight, age.
It was an age related thing.
Oh, I don't remember.
(12:40):
Did he say that?
Yes.
Oh, I did not know that.
Can you not ask those questions at the beginning?
Well, in the pods?
No, I think you can ask how old you are.
Okay.
Like how old they are.
Okay.
And I don't think,
I think this isn't like every preview of the whole show.
He said like.
You can tell me.
You, okay.
I think he said.
Don't tell me who he said it to though.
(13:00):
Okay.
No, I think he said to everyone.
Oh, okay.
He said, oh, you're over 30.
You must be unattractive.
Was like his opening line.
Oh.
And I, oh.
Like I can tell you for sure.
Like other girls, I'm like,
and I know they're doing, you know, they're on camera.
But if a guy said that to me in the pods,
I would just, I just would literally want to just walk out.
I feel like I was at my peak attractiveness around 32.
(13:22):
And I was like.
Yeah, like what?
I was better looking in my 30s and my 20s.
Like there's so much wrong with that statement.
Well, look, I think that I didn't even,
I do remember that now.
I only remember him saying it once though.
To one girl.
I think she laughed it off, right?
She, she said, I think she joked like,
should I just walk out right now?
(13:42):
Right.
But I just think it'd be hard to like continue the,
like, and that's like, you're there to like
still talk to them.
Right.
Like after that, he would be an immediate no.
Okay.
And I would just be like, yeah,
I don't think I'd be interested in even.
So I don't think that would be a no
for me.
Really?
I think I say really kind of like just.
Yeah.
I speak really inappropriately at times too.
(14:04):
So I think I could,
I think I could handle that.
What is it?
Was he just saying it to be like funny?
Maybe was it like.
For sure.
He was saying it to be funny,
but I don't want to give away too much.
I just, I don't think it's out of character.
I think.
Okay.
Also, I think when people say jokes,
there is a hint of at least truth to it.
How old is he?
I think like 35.
He's 35?
(14:24):
He's 35.
Well, all I know is.
He's 33.
Okay.
I feel like some of the most attractive women
are in their thirties in real life.
Oh for sure.
And I just think if I'm getting
pursuing potentially marriage.
Yeah.
I want a man who like will value me as I age
and isn't like immediately has this idea
that women like become like.
I don't know.
(14:44):
There's just so many good men that like wouldn't think like.
Like I just don't even think it's funny.
Okay.
Yeah.
I don't think it's funny either actually.
Yeah.
But I don't think it,
it didn't hit me as hard as you.
Sure.
No, it hit me hard.
I just like very,
I don't want to say sensitive in every way,
but like just things like that.
I just would feel so uncomfortable
even trying to pursue a dating relationship
with someone who views like women like that.
(15:05):
Yeah.
I don't know.
Especially if that's like kind of the first thing
that you're like thinking of to say.
Yeah.
Well, look between you and me,
I don't think that particular individual
should be in a relationship period.
I could say a lot.
I don't want to give spoilers.
There was more,
there was more red flags I saw than that one.
For sure.
I don't have to get Alicia caught.
One thing I thought about Alicia is
(15:26):
you can watch it on my phone.
I have Netflix on my phone.
So you can just watch it at work.
Yes.
Because you have nothing else to do.
It's your work assignment.
Oh, that's what we could do.
We could put it on at work.
Yeah.
That would be fun.
Yeah.
We could watch Love is Fine while we work.
That's a good idea.
I was actually thinking.
That would be really fun.
Yeah.
Now that we're podcasters,
you know, that's what podcasters,
it is like an assignment
and like we might have to start taking notes and like,
(15:48):
yeah, yeah.
You know, this is all very impromptu.
We didn't take notes ahead of time, but.
I think we might.
Okay. If we don't, we'll get it tomorrow.
Okay. Yeah.
Let's figure out how to do that.
Cause we used to have like the news up on TV.
That'll be really fun.
That way we can live podcast our opinions
on episodes of Love is Blind.
That's a good idea.
I love that.
(16:08):
Okay. That's the new thing.
Love that.
This is going to be fun.
Love is Blind in the Spearmint Love headquarters.
Yeah. I'm really excited to see what Alicia thinks of it.
Yeah.
Cause Alicia is the single one.
So it'll be good to get your perspective.
Yeah.
And if you date any of them or all of them or none of them.
Have you guys ever gone on blind date?
I don't think so.
No, really.
No.
(16:29):
I haven't either.
So I don't think I ever, I didn't date very much.
I went out a lot.
I never dated that much.
Did you date very much before you were married?
No, I didn't.
I got married like right out of college.
That's true.
You were a baby.
Yeah. Boyfriend.
So I don't have any really dating experience.
I felt like there was enough guys around
that I didn't need a blind date.
(16:51):
There was plenty.
I don't know what the purpose of the blind date is.
I guess if you're getting set up by a friend maybe.
Yeah. Yeah.
Maybe that's the problem.
I never really had a lot of friends.
So I had no one to set me up on a blind date.
I wonder if the people that go on the show
are the type of people to like going on blind dates.
Maybe.
So maybe there's something about the show
that appeals to them specifically
or if their friends apply them or like,
(17:13):
I wonder what the dynamic there.
A lot of the people on the show have mentioned
that they date the wrong kind of people
and they're attracted to a particular look
which tends to make them date the wrong kind of people.
So they're trying to form that kind of emotional connection
and not be so focused on outward appearance,
more the inside, which I think is cool.
(17:35):
Yeah.
I think that is like a big problem
with some people that date around a lot
and don't get very far is because they just like,
I don't know, have an imbalance of like the physical
and emotional connection part of the relationship.
Yeah.
But that's interesting though.
Yeah.
I think you'll find the show really interesting.
Yeah.
Because it's like a big psychology experiment in my opinion.
(17:56):
Yeah.
Which is why I like it.
Same.
Yeah.
Okay, yeah.
I'll for sure have to watch it then.
All right, so we're gonna, this is our assignment
for tomorrow.
We're gonna get Netflix installed up on this TV up here.
Yes.
And we're gonna have the group watch Love is Blind.
Yes.
We're gonna have to carve out part,
this is a long show.
It's like 45 minutes per, isn't it?
Per episode?
I think an hour.
An hour?
Oh my gosh.
An hour plus.
(18:17):
Yeah.
And you really, you kind of have to pay attention.
Okay.
Because there's like, I don't know, they have manners,
it's not like you can just look away.
Right?
Because yeah, they're clipping to like different couples
every few minutes.
So you need to know who's, okay, okay.
Who's with who, who's in a love triangle.
Right.
But I think you'll really enjoy it.
Okay.
All right, do we need, do we have time to talk
about anything else?
Yeah, we do have some more.
(18:37):
All right, what do you guys,
what else do you want to talk about?
What else is new?
Well, I want to ask Carolyn,
and I don't know if you remember this,
but one time Carolyn,
so Carolyn's like a writer and like a really good writer.
So she's written some blogs on like our website and stuff.
And one of them is called,
Why I Want to Eat My Baby.
(18:58):
Let's get into it.
I just want Carolyn to explain this.
Okay, I did have to go back and screenshot this
because this was a few years ago.
So it's like, oh, why do we want to do that?
But I actually, you know that when you want to just like
pinch a baby's cheeks or just like,
literally just they're so cute.
You want to like literally,
and not literally eat them, but you know,
(19:19):
it's actually a scientific thing.
It's cute aggression.
And it's a tempering mechanism that allows us to function
and actually take care of something we might first perceive
as overwhelmingly cute.
So it's like a survival.
Like if you just get too distracted by how cute they are,
you can't like, you know, hunt and gather and whatever.
(19:40):
So, and take care of them.
So yeah, that's crazy.
I know.
Do you guys get that way about baby?
I know not everyone's like a baby person, you know?
I don't think I'm a baby person.
Shocking.
Shocking.
That's a crazy thing to say.
That should be the title.
Well, it's funny because I think people think,
some people envision me being around babies all day
(20:03):
because I work at a baby company.
Meanwhile, I don't think I've held a baby for a decade.
Like I'm not around babies at all.
Yeah, that's what people say when I tell them
like where I work, they're like,
oh my gosh, you must see the cutest babies.
I'm like, yeah, they're pictures.
Yeah, pictures.
Yeah, but there's no babies that come in and out of here.
Yeah.
And they're never happened.
I wanna change that.
(20:23):
I'm such a baby person.
I would love if we got some babies in here.
Yeah, but I do like understand the point
of the scientific like, yeah, research behind that
because yeah, sometimes,
especially when it's like a family member,
I'm like, oh my gosh, they're just so, so cute.
Like overwhelmingly cute.
I remember when my kids were little,
you cannot wait to put them down for a nap
(20:45):
so you get a break and then they're asleep
and you can't pull yourself away.
You just wanna stare at them.
And then the hour's up and they're getting,
they're waking up and you're like, shoot,
I got nothing done.
Cause I just stared at the baby
cause they were so cute.
So that I think kind of goes long
with the same thing as you're saying.
Yeah.
Right.
And I remember having that feeling for sure
when they were little.
Well, I have a social media trend that I wanna bring up
(21:10):
and I don't know if you guys have seen this.
It's just such an interesting phenomenon to me,
the way people are utilizing their environment
to make money online.
So have you guys seen the messy,
I'm just calling it this, messy house creators?
No.
No, I don't think so.
(21:30):
So essentially they will film,
they'll walk around their house
or like show like a room, their kitchen.
And it is just a disaster.
Like not just like unorganized,
like dirty, messy, really, really bad concern.
I mean, it's shocking.
It's for shock value.
And so they'll film themselves just showing it.
(21:52):
And then they'll film themselves slowly,
like time-lapse cleaning it up.
And then they'll sometimes have followers
sending them like Amazon,
like cleaning supplies to help them.
Cause usually I think the people who are making this
are in a position where they could use help
in different ways.
And so I just think it's,
it kind of has become controversial though,
(22:12):
because there's a point where it's like,
this is actually so concerning.
You have children and like this house is like beyond just
like, oh, you need a cleaning person.
It's like mold, borderline mold.
But they're making money because, you know,
views and engagement.
So it's like,
Is it lives or like TikToks or reels?
They might do lives,
but it's most, I would say this is mostly on TikTok.
(22:33):
Who is sending, I don't get it.
Who is sending the cleaning supplies?
Like followers.
And they're just like,
they're shipping it to your address?
Yeah.
Like they'll make like an Amazon wishlist.
That's so weird.
And I think people feel compelled to help.
And some of these people,
it is like sometimes an engaging story though.
Like, you know, I mean, yeah.
Like it could be like a single mom or,
(22:54):
but then there's, you know,
times where it's like,
is this kind of like manipulative,
like harmful that you're maybe intentionally having
these living conditions so you can keep making money
off of it.
Oh my gosh.
It wasn't intentional.
The good thing is they're actually cleaning it up.
For sure.
That's why I think they get followers
who are sometimes trying to be like actually like
encouraging, helpful, being like,
(23:15):
you got this, like sending you a mop today or,
you know, like this like disinfectant spray.
Also just as a regular like piece of entertainment
that's satisfying to watch.
Wait, cause there's a set of cleaning,
you know, videos or like there's clean talk
where it's like cleaning hacks.
That's different.
That's helpful and interesting too.
But this is like on another level.
(23:36):
There was a video of,
I think a mom and her child and she's like asks her daughter
to push out all everything under the bed.
I mean, it's, it would, it was a ton of trash and garbage.
And gross.
It's yeah.
So I don't know.
It's just such an interesting way to get views,
(23:57):
get, make money online.
I think that, I don't know.
The way I think about social media is
if you're making money online, most of it's staged.
I don't think anything's real.
I at least had to have start real though.
That's the thing.
They didn't like figure that out.
You're gonna have to show us what you think is real.
I know.
I don't know if I can show it right now,
(24:18):
but I feel like it'd be very hard to stage some of these.
That's disturbing.
Because it looks, you know what I mean?
Like you aren't, like it looks like it has aged.
Like it's not just like you took like an average house
and like, let's just like clutter it up
and throw some garbage.
Like it's like the way the carpet is.
I'm surprised you can watch these.
Cause you're kind, aren't you kind of a germ-phobe?
Yes.
(24:38):
So how do you watch these then?
I think the same reason a lot of people do.
It's like a mix of like shock horror
and like a little bit of satisfaction that like,
oh, they're cleaning it up a little bit.
It's like watching the show hoarders.
Right.
Look, if it is all real, this is a great thing for them.
Cause it's forcing them to clean up.
It is.
But then do you think it perpetuates,
do you think it almost then de-centrifies them
(25:00):
from keeping it clean?
Cause then they lose the content.
That's true.
You know?
If it's that gross, the way you're describing it,
it's kind of a lost cause.
So I mean, that's pretty bad.
That's crazy.
Dang. I have not seen this.
Okay. You guys got to look at that.
Yeah. I need to see this.
And then there's now creators that are posting like,
this is what a normal messy house looks like.
(25:20):
Kind of a normal messy house.
Right. Like, like, like this is like what,
cause I think some people are upset
that those people are gaining a platform and followers
for something that could be viewed as like a toxic situation.
Well, do the people who are getting an audience for that,
do they have like other like content
or is it just about messy house?
I think it's just that.
Oh, so people follow people just for messy house content?
(25:42):
Yeah. Wow.
Which is crazy.
Is that all you're going to post?
Like you're guaranteeing that you are going to continue
to dirty your house to a crazy level.
The amount you can dirty your house over and over again
to create an audience just for dirty houses.
That's not fun to live amongst trash.
I do think that some of the people who post this though,
at least some of them claim that they did not even realize
(26:04):
how shocking it would be to viewers.
Like they're like, oh, a messy,
like I think they think they're in the same lane
as like the average, like, say,
her mom who's like, oh, I'm like, help clean up with me.
And they tried to do the trend.
And then it's like, people were like, whoa,
can I buy you some cleaning supplies? Are you okay?
And then some of them have posted like follow up,
like I had no idea like how bad it was.
(26:26):
And you guys are bringing this to my attention.
And I feel like inspired now, like for the sake of my family,
like, whoa, this was like the slap in the face I needed.
Interesting. I don't know.
So it's like this whole- That's good.
Yeah.
So people are just like raised in like kind of a different
mindset of how clean your house should be,
how clean they like consistently keep it.
And I'm imagining really bad.
It is. Are there bugs?
(26:47):
I'm sure.
Oh, that's bad. I'm sure there are.
Okay. And I think, I mean,
some of the people are obviously probably struggling
in a lot of ways in life.
It's not just necessarily like the average person
who's like, oh, you know,
I'm going to like leave trash on the ground for years and,
you know, clean it up for TikTok.
John and I, the house before the last house, it was bad.
You guys were there, right? It was bad.
(27:08):
Yeah. I saw it once we started putting like some boxes
in there. So I saw cockroaches.
I could have been, I could have been,
had a messy house TikTok.
Yeah. Right? I could have done it.
Oh my gosh, we should have used that house for content.
Well, and then we did clean it up and it was like,
we remodeled the whole thing. Beautiful.
Sold the house. Yeah.
But yeah, I feel like I could have been one of those.
(27:29):
So, and our thing really was,
well, we're storing stuff here.
We're not spending any money cleaning it.
We're just working like 15 hours a day and sleeping here.
Right. So that was our justification.
But I'm sure people like John's mom came to visit
and she cried.
Yeah. So, yeah.
So maybe I'm a, maybe I don't even realize
(27:50):
I was living like that for a while.
I actually don't think I ever saw it in person.
It was pretty bad.
But I don't know, after we record this,
I will show you guys an example and you can let me know.
Okay. I don't think,
I don't think yours is as bad as what I'm talking about,
but you probably could have- You'd be surprised.
I have pictures. I'll show you.
Yeah. We'll compare.
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, that's crazy. Thank you for sharing with us.
(28:14):
And thank you for listening.
Leave us a review. Leave us a comment.
Tell us about your messy house.
Yes. Tell us about your messy house.
Yes.
All right. Bye.
You guys, today has been a fire drill.
(00:02):
Yes.
I feel like ever since I got here,
I've had like one meeting after another.
Yeah.
It's been so busy.
Yeah.
We're getting ready for Halloween.
We had a meeting with our podcast director.
Yes, very exciting.
Would you call him a podcast director?
Maybe producer.
Producer, that sounds much better.
I feel like he would technically be a producer.
(00:24):
Not about the content, just the technical part of things.
Yeah.
And then we talked about, we're revamping some things
on our website.
So we had like a website meeting.
What else did we talk about today?
We had an ad meeting.
We had an ad meeting, we're revamping our ads.
Oh my God, it's been busy.
Yeah.
It's been a very productive day though.
Yeah.
And now we're finally fitting in a podcast
cause Carolyn has to leave in literally 30 minutes.
(00:45):
Yes, our goal is to make a 30 minute podcast
and we have exactly 30 minutes before I have to go.
So we had no time to prep.
This is going to be spontaneous.
Our genuine just thoughts about,
we have a few topics I think.
Yeah.
So what do you guys want to talk about?
Well, as a quick intro, we have me, Alicia,
on the podcast today, obviously Sherri,
(01:06):
and then we have Carolyn back on the podcast.
Yes, I was on the first one
and then I haven't had any more practice.
So this is my second go at this.
Yes.
Trying to get everybody on the mic
so we all feel more confident.
I feel pretty good.
How do you guys feel?
I love it.
Yeah, no, I think it's, I feel good.
That's good.
So what do you guys want to talk about?
(01:28):
Should we talk about what we were going to talk about before
and you guys wouldn't let me?
Oh yeah.
I don't know anything about,
cause I know it's about love is blind, right?
Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
I don't know anything about it.
So you go ahead.
Okay, so John and I, the other day,
we were looking for a new show.
We tried like four shows
and we like hated the episode one of all of them.
(01:50):
So we kept like going through shows and I'm like,
well, I'm kind of in the mood to watch a dating show,
something easy.
Like I feel like dating shows are easy to watch
cause if you grab your phone during a dating show,
you won't like miss anything.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
You can easily catch up.
So let's try love is blind.
We haven't watched one of those series
for a really long time.
(02:10):
And so we watched episode one and two last night
and I loved it.
Really?
I thought it was really fun.
I'm like super into it right now.
I thought like, I love the psychology of the show.
I love the idea of people finding love
and you know, you've seen it before, right?
No, I haven't.
You've never seen it?
(02:30):
No, I've only seen the bachelor.
That's the only like dating show that I've watched.
Okay, this is gonna be a work assignment for you.
You are gonna be required to watch love is blind.
I don't have Netflix though.
Oh, how are we gonna get it to you then?
You have to pay for her Netflix.
Even my parents don't have Netflix.
So I can't even like mooch off them.
Okay.
(02:50):
So I have no one to mooch off for Netflix.
Will my Netflix account get banned
if I gave you my password?
Well, it doesn't work that way anymore apparently.
It doesn't?
No, cause you can't share Netflix passwords.
Like you have to be on the same like wifi or something.
Okay, we're gonna have to research this after the podcast.
Yeah.
Because we have to get your opinion on love is blind.
(03:12):
So anyway, so John and I finished the first two episodes.
However, Carolyn's way ahead.
What episode are you on?
I think I only have 20 minutes left of episode six.
Okay.
Which is like everything that's out so far.
Okay.
Before they release more.
When do they release more?
I don't know, I need to look it up.
But yeah, I'm excited.
So I guess we can't really talk about it
(03:34):
because you can not spoil it for me.
I'm so into it.
True, cause yeah, I don't remember
what was on episode one and two specifically.
And then obviously I can't talk about it
cause then I'll spoil it for Alicia.
Tell me the premise though.
Because there's something about people
can't see each other. Oh, you don't know what it's about?
They talk for a while.
Wait, let me tell you what I think the premise is.
Okay, okay.
I think they talk to each other
(03:55):
where they can only hear each other's voice.
Yes.
They can't really ask that much about what they look like.
Right.
And then eventually after a certain period,
whether they like, like if they still like each other,
then they meet like on their wedding day or something.
Yes.
Or is that 90 day fiance?
That's a good mix of what you described.
(04:15):
But basically they decide to get engaged in the pods.
They have not seen each other yet.
Oh, they're engaged inside the pods.
Well, they propose, I guess.
Usually the man proposes.
And then they have a reveal where they see each other
for the first time.
And then he usually gets down on one knee in person again.
Okay.
And usually they stick it out.
Okay.
(04:35):
For a little bit of this.
Oh, usually they do.
Like you see, I don't know that there's really been hardly
anyone who's like seen each other and instantly admitted
like, I don't even want to try this.
I think they give it a little bit of a shot.
I think this happened before though.
Like when they get to the hotel.
Oh, for sure.
Yeah.
So it's, everybody's coupled up.
Like choose, there's usually about six couples.
Then they go to like some exotic location,
(04:56):
like Mexico and they have like,
kind of like a honeymoon stage.
Okay.
Where they're in the same bedroom,
which can be, can get quite awkward.
If they're not.
With the cameras there and stuff at that point too.
Yes.
Can you imagine, see like, yes.
All of that combined.
And then like, there's always a point then where they get
to see the other couples.
(05:17):
So some of them had been dating like the other couples
that made it to this like resort.
Oh.
So that always adds a dynamic like,
Ooh, did someone like,
one of them kind of regret their decision.
Oh, she's more attractive in person than I'm with.
Right.
Something like that.
So there's several women and several men.
Yeah. So all the couples go together.
And so they have like little activities sometimes together.
(05:37):
And so it's interesting to see them meet their potential,
other potential, you know, connections.
When you're in the pod,
you may have a connection with more than one person.
Oh.
And then you might propose to the one
you have the best connection with.
I thought they matched you with one right away.
Okay.
And then when you're on the vacation,
then all of a sudden you might see the other love interest
you had in the pod and be like,
Oh, physically I'm much more connected to her or him.
(06:03):
I should have picked her or him.
Yeah.
And it's happened before.
Okay.
So, but I'm not even close to that part yet.
I have, I don't think they've even released it.
Unless it's the last 20 minutes, which I don't think it is.
I don't think we're out of the pods yet.
Okay.
Anyone is.
The last two seasons in the pods.
Yes.
And then the rest of it is them.
Okay.
Yes.
And then it goes on from the vacation.
Then they move into an apartment together.
(06:24):
So it's more real life.
It follows their real life, right?
And you know, a lot of like shit hits a fan.
Like a lot of people like start crumbling their relationships.
But the whole idea is,
can I fall in love with somebody based on their personality
and our conversations and then see them in person.
And if physically they're not really my type,
(06:45):
can I look past that because I have such a strong connection.
Yeah.
So John and I always argue about this
because John believes it's not possible
because he thinks there's so much physical, there's so,
he says, you know, in the first seven seconds
of seeing someone,
whether you're physically attracted to them.
Okay. I heard this on another podcast.
(07:06):
I was listening to it.
It was saying that men know within the first,
I don't remember if it was like seconds or minutes,
but they know very quickly
whether they just want to be friends,
they just want to hook up with you
or they see a long-term relationship with you.
And it never changes.
You can never like move yourself
from one category to another.
(07:27):
You don't think you can move yourself from a hookup
to a long-term relationship?
That's what the podcast was saying that men,
how men view it.
Huh. I'm gonna ask John that
because I feel like you could move from a hookup girl
for a man to a wife, if you get to know them better.
I think it for sure depends on the man.
(07:48):
But this was like the theory that I've seen like on TikTok
and a few podcasts have like talked about it.
So that's interesting.
I agree though with the hookup part,
like men know within seven seconds,
do I want to hook up with her?
Do I want to sleep with this girl?
Do I have no interest?
Because sexual chemistry is a big thing.
Supposedly more for men than women.
I'm sure there's exceptions with women,
but I kind of believe that.
(08:10):
What do you think Carolyn?
Man, I don't, I definitely, I mean, I think in general,
like physical attraction is a huge significant part
of like a romantic relationship.
But I don't know if I, I mean, I don't know,
I'm not a man, so I don't know how men think.
Would you, okay, so would, if you were single,
(08:30):
would you date in the pods?
Like would I go on the show?
Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, would you date in that way?
Whether you're on national television or not?
I would be open to trying it.
Okay.
I think that's why I'm not like a reality
TV person in general.
I specifically like, really like this love is blind.
I think cause I am, I like love like in depth conversations
(08:50):
and getting to know people.
And I think I like, I don't know, really appreciate that.
So I could see myself, I don't know.
I could try.
That would like appeal to you as you were single.
So my feeling about myself is if I was single
and obviously much younger, I think I would go,
I would be able to date on the pod.
But my gut feeling is when I met the person in person,
(09:12):
I'd be like, oh, I don't have chemistry.
Physically I'm not attracted.
Yes.
That's my feeling.
I don't think it would work for me.
Yeah.
Because I would build up this idea of how somebody looks
so much in my head while I'm dating them
and getting to know them.
And then I see them and they look completely different.
This is what I was talking about at Instagram this morning.
(09:33):
So I did this Instagram story this morning
where I talked about I would like as the viewer
to hear these conversations, but not see the two people.
Because I would love to go through,
because they're imagining what the other person looks like.
I would like the opportunity to do that.
To have the same experience.
To have the same experience.
Netflix, let's have this version.
(09:55):
A podcast version.
And then when they're revealing each other to themselves,
that's the first time I see them too.
That would be so interesting.
And be like, oh my God, I knew he looked like this.
Or, oh, I thought he had short hair.
He has really long hair.
Or I thought she was really, you know,
she was like five foot and she's like six foot.
I would love to see if I get it right.
(10:15):
Like wouldn't that be interesting?
Yeah, I saw people, like a group of friends on TikTok
and they put a blanket over their TV
and they all like had notepads
and they were watching Love is Blind together.
That's what I'm talking about.
Oh, we should do that.
I'm gonna do that next time.
I'm gonna make John do it next time I watch the show.
Put a blanket on the TV.
Yes.
He'll probably tune out though.
(10:36):
That would be hard to stay engaged.
But it would be so interesting.
Because like, you know, Carolyn and I are married.
So it's not like we're ever gonna go on the pods.
But I would love the opportunity to envision the person
without seeing them kinda like they do.
Yes.
Because it just seems kind of fun.
I might be just like too optimistic.
I'm like, oh yeah, I would do that.
And I think for some reason I'm thinking,
(10:57):
oh, and I would of course just like connect.
Like the person I connect with,
like, you know, without seeing them,
I'll find them attractive.
Like, I don't know.
You think you would?
You'd be optimistic.
Yes.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I don't know how I would feel about that.
I don't know if I would do that.
You should go on.
I'd be way too scared.
You should go on Netflix.
Netflix, we have somebody.
Oh my gosh.
(11:17):
I'd be way too scared.
We should apply.
Alicia. Yes.
You would be so good on the show.
That would be so awkward.
I can't imagine, like every time I watch like The Bachelor,
like, or Bachelorette,
like I just can't imagine being in those awkward situations.
Like I would be so awkward with like a camera,
like watching these like-
But you don't know it's there.
Cause there's no, the cameras are in the room.
There's no, nobody in the room.
(11:38):
But once you get out of the pods.
But I still know in my head that the cameras are there.
By the time you get out of the pods though,
I think you'd like, you would be more comfortable.
I don't think I can make it that far.
I would be too awkward.
No one would fall in love with me.
I don't think so.
I was actually sometimes trying to imagine like,
okay, I'm trying to pull up the cast.
I don't think this is a spoiler.
(11:59):
Can I say something?
Do not, I'll be so mad at you if you spoil it.
Okay.
Can I, I'm just going to show you a picture.
Okay.
I'm scared to look.
Oh my God, it's a picture of one of the cast members.
Like you, you know David, right?
Yeah.
He's like a main character.
Yes.
Yes, I know David.
Yes.
Did he already say his opening line to all the women?
(12:19):
Did you see that part?
I don't know what you mean by opening a line.
Like he has a line that could be very controversial.
Like most women would probably.
Really?
I don't even notice that.
I bet he said something about weight.
That's the question.
Oh, did he say something about weight?
I don't know.
No, not weight, age.
It was an age related thing.
Oh, I don't remember.
(12:40):
Did he say that?
Yes.
Oh, I did not know that.
Can you not ask those questions at the beginning?
Well, in the pods?
No, I think you can ask how old you are.
Okay.
Like how old they are.
Okay.
And I don't think,
I think this isn't like every preview of the whole show.
He said like.
You can tell me.
You, okay.
I think he said.
Don't tell me who he said it to though.
(13:00):
Okay.
No, I think he said to everyone.
Oh, okay.
He said, oh, you're over 30.
You must be unattractive.
Was like his opening line.
Oh.
And I, oh.
Like I can tell you for sure.
Like other girls, I'm like,
and I know they're doing, you know, they're on camera.
But if a guy said that to me in the pods,
I would just, I just would literally want to just walk out.
I feel like I was at my peak attractiveness around 32.
(13:22):
And I was like.
Yeah, like what?
I was better looking in my 30s and my 20s.
Like there's so much wrong with that statement.
Well, look, I think that I didn't even,
I do remember that now.
I only remember him saying it once though.
To one girl.
I think she laughed it off, right?
She, she said, I think she joked like,
should I just walk out right now?
(13:42):
Right.
But I just think it'd be hard to like continue the,
like, and that's like, you're there to like
still talk to them.
Right.
Like after that, he would be an immediate no.
Okay.
And I would just be like, yeah,
I don't think I'd be interested in even.
So I don't think that would be a no
for me.
Really?
I think I say really kind of like just.
Yeah.
I speak really inappropriately at times too.
(14:04):
So I think I could,
I think I could handle that.
What is it?
Was he just saying it to be like funny?
Maybe was it like.
For sure.
He was saying it to be funny,
but I don't want to give away too much.
I just, I don't think it's out of character.
I think.
Okay.
Also, I think when people say jokes,
there is a hint of at least truth to it.
How old is he?
I think like 35.
He's 35?
(14:24):
He's 35.
Well, all I know is.
He's 33.
Okay.
I feel like some of the most attractive women
are in their thirties in real life.
Oh for sure.
And I just think if I'm getting
pursuing potentially marriage.
Yeah.
I want a man who like will value me as I age
and isn't like immediately has this idea
that women like become like.
I don't know.
(14:44):
There's just so many good men that like wouldn't think like.
Like I just don't even think it's funny.
Okay.
Yeah.
I don't think it's funny either actually.
Yeah.
But I don't think it,
it didn't hit me as hard as you.
Sure.
No, it hit me hard.
I just like very,
I don't want to say sensitive in every way,
but like just things like that.
I just would feel so uncomfortable
even trying to pursue a dating relationship
with someone who views like women like that.
(15:05):
Yeah.
I don't know.
Especially if that's like kind of the first thing
that you're like thinking of to say.
Yeah.
Well, look between you and me,
I don't think that particular individual
should be in a relationship period.
I could say a lot.
I don't want to give spoilers.
There was more,
there was more red flags I saw than that one.
For sure.
I don't have to get Alicia caught.
One thing I thought about Alicia is
(15:26):
you can watch it on my phone.
I have Netflix on my phone.
So you can just watch it at work.
Yes.
Because you have nothing else to do.
It's your work assignment.
Oh, that's what we could do.
We could put it on at work.
Yeah.
That would be fun.
Yeah.
We could watch Love is Fine while we work.
That's a good idea.
I was actually thinking.
That would be really fun.
Yeah.
Now that we're podcasters,
you know, that's what podcasters,
it is like an assignment
and like we might have to start taking notes and like,
(15:48):
yeah, yeah.
You know, this is all very impromptu.
We didn't take notes ahead of time, but.
I think we might.
Okay. If we don't, we'll get it tomorrow.
Okay. Yeah.
Let's figure out how to do that.
Cause we used to have like the news up on TV.
That'll be really fun.
That way we can live podcast our opinions
on episodes of Love is Blind.
That's a good idea.
I love that.
(16:08):
Okay. That's the new thing.
Love that.
This is going to be fun.
Love is Blind in the Spearmint Love headquarters.
Yeah. I'm really excited to see what Alicia thinks of it.
Yeah.
Cause Alicia is the single one.
So it'll be good to get your perspective.
Yeah.
And if you date any of them or all of them or none of them.
Have you guys ever gone on blind date?
I don't think so.
No, really.
No.
(16:29):
I haven't either.
So I don't think I ever, I didn't date very much.
I went out a lot.
I never dated that much.
Did you date very much before you were married?
No, I didn't.
I got married like right out of college.
That's true.
You were a baby.
Yeah. Boyfriend.
So I don't have any really dating experience.
I felt like there was enough guys around
that I didn't need a blind date.
(16:51):
There was plenty.
I don't know what the purpose of the blind date is.
I guess if you're getting set up by a friend maybe.
Yeah. Yeah.
Maybe that's the problem.
I never really had a lot of friends.
So I had no one to set me up on a blind date.
I wonder if the people that go on the show
are the type of people to like going on blind dates.
Maybe.
So maybe there's something about the show
that appeals to them specifically
or if their friends apply them or like,
(17:13):
I wonder what the dynamic there.
A lot of the people on the show have mentioned
that they date the wrong kind of people
and they're attracted to a particular look
which tends to make them date the wrong kind of people.
So they're trying to form that kind of emotional connection
and not be so focused on outward appearance,
more the inside, which I think is cool.
(17:35):
Yeah.
I think that is like a big problem
with some people that date around a lot
and don't get very far is because they just like,
I don't know, have an imbalance of like the physical
and emotional connection part of the relationship.
Yeah.
But that's interesting though.
Yeah.
I think you'll find the show really interesting.
Yeah.
Because it's like a big psychology experiment in my opinion.
(17:56):
Yeah.
Which is why I like it.
Same.
Yeah.
Okay, yeah.
I'll for sure have to watch it then.
All right, so we're gonna, this is our assignment
for tomorrow.
We're gonna get Netflix installed up on this TV up here.
Yes.
And we're gonna have the group watch Love is Blind.
Yes.
We're gonna have to carve out part,
this is a long show.
It's like 45 minutes per, isn't it?
Per episode?
I think an hour.
An hour?
Oh my gosh.
An hour plus.
(18:17):
Yeah.
And you really, you kind of have to pay attention.
Okay.
Because there's like, I don't know, they have manners,
it's not like you can just look away.
Right?
Because yeah, they're clipping to like different couples
every few minutes.
So you need to know who's, okay, okay.
Who's with who, who's in a love triangle.
Right.
But I think you'll really enjoy it.
Okay.
All right, do we need, do we have time to talk
about anything else?
Yeah, we do have some more.
(18:37):
All right, what do you guys,
what else do you want to talk about?
What else is new?
Well, I want to ask Carolyn,
and I don't know if you remember this,
but one time Carolyn,
so Carolyn's like a writer and like a really good writer.
So she's written some blogs on like our website and stuff.
And one of them is called,
Why I Want to Eat My Baby.
(18:58):
Let's get into it.
I just want Carolyn to explain this.
Okay, I did have to go back and screenshot this
because this was a few years ago.
So it's like, oh, why do we want to do that?
But I actually, you know that when you want to just like
pinch a baby's cheeks or just like,
literally just they're so cute.
You want to like literally,
and not literally eat them, but you know,
(19:19):
it's actually a scientific thing.
It's cute aggression.
And it's a tempering mechanism that allows us to function
and actually take care of something we might first perceive
as overwhelmingly cute.
So it's like a survival.
Like if you just get too distracted by how cute they are,
you can't like, you know, hunt and gather and whatever.
(19:40):
So, and take care of them.
So yeah, that's crazy.
I know.
Do you guys get that way about baby?
I know not everyone's like a baby person, you know?
I don't think I'm a baby person.
Shocking.
Shocking.
That's a crazy thing to say.
That should be the title.
Well, it's funny because I think people think,
some people envision me being around babies all day
(20:03):
because I work at a baby company.
Meanwhile, I don't think I've held a baby for a decade.
Like I'm not around babies at all.
Yeah, that's what people say when I tell them
like where I work, they're like,
oh my gosh, you must see the cutest babies.
I'm like, yeah, they're pictures.
Yeah, pictures.
Yeah, but there's no babies that come in and out of here.
Yeah.
And they're never happened.
I wanna change that.
(20:23):
I'm such a baby person.
I would love if we got some babies in here.
Yeah, but I do like understand the point
of the scientific like, yeah, research behind that
because yeah, sometimes,
especially when it's like a family member,
I'm like, oh my gosh, they're just so, so cute.
Like overwhelmingly cute.
I remember when my kids were little,
you cannot wait to put them down for a nap
(20:45):
so you get a break and then they're asleep
and you can't pull yourself away.
You just wanna stare at them.
And then the hour's up and they're getting,
they're waking up and you're like, shoot,
I got nothing done.
Cause I just stared at the baby
cause they were so cute.
So that I think kind of goes long
with the same thing as you're saying.
Yeah.
Right.
And I remember having that feeling for sure
when they were little.
Well, I have a social media trend that I wanna bring up
(21:10):
and I don't know if you guys have seen this.
It's just such an interesting phenomenon to me,
the way people are utilizing their environment
to make money online.
So have you guys seen the messy,
I'm just calling it this, messy house creators?
No.
No, I don't think so.
(21:30):
So essentially they will film,
they'll walk around their house
or like show like a room, their kitchen.
And it is just a disaster.
Like not just like unorganized,
like dirty, messy, really, really bad concern.
I mean, it's shocking.
It's for shock value.
And so they'll film themselves just showing it.
(21:52):
And then they'll film themselves slowly,
like time-lapse cleaning it up.
And then they'll sometimes have followers
sending them like Amazon,
like cleaning supplies to help them.
Cause usually I think the people who are making this
are in a position where they could use help
in different ways.
And so I just think it's,
it kind of has become controversial though,
(22:12):
because there's a point where it's like,
this is actually so concerning.
You have children and like this house is like beyond just
like, oh, you need a cleaning person.
It's like mold, borderline mold.
But they're making money because, you know,
views and engagement.
So it's like,
Is it lives or like TikToks or reels?
They might do lives,
but it's most, I would say this is mostly on TikTok.
(22:33):
Who is sending, I don't get it.
Who is sending the cleaning supplies?
Like followers.
And they're just like,
they're shipping it to your address?
Yeah.
Like they'll make like an Amazon wishlist.
That's so weird.
And I think people feel compelled to help.
And some of these people,
it is like sometimes an engaging story though.
Like, you know, I mean, yeah.
Like it could be like a single mom or,
(22:54):
but then there's, you know,
times where it's like,
is this kind of like manipulative,
like harmful that you're maybe intentionally having
these living conditions so you can keep making money
off of it.
Oh my gosh.
It wasn't intentional.
The good thing is they're actually cleaning it up.
For sure.
That's why I think they get followers
who are sometimes trying to be like actually like
encouraging, helpful, being like,
(23:15):
you got this, like sending you a mop today or,
you know, like this like disinfectant spray.
Also just as a regular like piece of entertainment
that's satisfying to watch.
Wait, cause there's a set of cleaning,
you know, videos or like there's clean talk
where it's like cleaning hacks.
That's different.
That's helpful and interesting too.
But this is like on another level.
(23:36):
There was a video of,
I think a mom and her child and she's like asks her daughter
to push out all everything under the bed.
I mean, it's, it would, it was a ton of trash and garbage.
And gross.
It's yeah.
So I don't know.
It's just such an interesting way to get views,
(23:57):
get, make money online.
I think that, I don't know.
The way I think about social media is
if you're making money online, most of it's staged.
I don't think anything's real.
I at least had to have start real though.
That's the thing.
They didn't like figure that out.
You're gonna have to show us what you think is real.
I know.
I don't know if I can show it right now,
(24:18):
but I feel like it'd be very hard to stage some of these.
That's disturbing.
Because it looks, you know what I mean?
Like you aren't, like it looks like it has aged.
Like it's not just like you took like an average house
and like, let's just like clutter it up
and throw some garbage.
Like it's like the way the carpet is.
I'm surprised you can watch these.
Cause you're kind, aren't you kind of a germ-phobe?
Yes.
(24:38):
So how do you watch these then?
I think the same reason a lot of people do.
It's like a mix of like shock horror
and like a little bit of satisfaction that like,
oh, they're cleaning it up a little bit.
It's like watching the show hoarders.
Right.
Look, if it is all real, this is a great thing for them.
Cause it's forcing them to clean up.
It is.
But then do you think it perpetuates,
do you think it almost then de-centrifies them
(25:00):
from keeping it clean?
Cause then they lose the content.
That's true.
You know?
If it's that gross, the way you're describing it,
it's kind of a lost cause.
So I mean, that's pretty bad.
That's crazy.
Dang. I have not seen this.
Okay. You guys got to look at that.
Yeah. I need to see this.
And then there's now creators that are posting like,
this is what a normal messy house looks like.
(25:20):
Kind of a normal messy house.
Right. Like, like, like this is like what,
cause I think some people are upset
that those people are gaining a platform and followers
for something that could be viewed as like a toxic situation.
Well, do the people who are getting an audience for that,
do they have like other like content
or is it just about messy house?
I think it's just that.
Oh, so people follow people just for messy house content?
(25:42):
Yeah. Wow.
Which is crazy.
Is that all you're going to post?
Like you're guaranteeing that you are going to continue
to dirty your house to a crazy level.
The amount you can dirty your house over and over again
to create an audience just for dirty houses.
That's not fun to live amongst trash.
I do think that some of the people who post this though,
at least some of them claim that they did not even realize
(26:04):
how shocking it would be to viewers.
Like they're like, oh, a messy,
like I think they think they're in the same lane
as like the average, like, say,
her mom who's like, oh, I'm like, help clean up with me.
And they tried to do the trend.
And then it's like, people were like, whoa,
can I buy you some cleaning supplies? Are you okay?
And then some of them have posted like follow up,
like I had no idea like how bad it was.
(26:26):
And you guys are bringing this to my attention.
And I feel like inspired now, like for the sake of my family,
like, whoa, this was like the slap in the face I needed.
Interesting. I don't know.
So it's like this whole- That's good.
Yeah.
So people are just like raised in like kind of a different
mindset of how clean your house should be,
how clean they like consistently keep it.
And I'm imagining really bad.
It is. Are there bugs?
(26:47):
I'm sure.
Oh, that's bad. I'm sure there are.
Okay. And I think, I mean,
some of the people are obviously probably struggling
in a lot of ways in life.
It's not just necessarily like the average person
who's like, oh, you know,
I'm going to like leave trash on the ground for years and,
you know, clean it up for TikTok.
John and I, the house before the last house, it was bad.
You guys were there, right? It was bad.
(27:08):
Yeah. I saw it once we started putting like some boxes
in there. So I saw cockroaches.
I could have been, I could have been,
had a messy house TikTok.
Yeah. Right? I could have done it.
Oh my gosh, we should have used that house for content.
Well, and then we did clean it up and it was like,
we remodeled the whole thing. Beautiful.
Sold the house. Yeah.
But yeah, I feel like I could have been one of those.
(27:29):
So, and our thing really was,
well, we're storing stuff here.
We're not spending any money cleaning it.
We're just working like 15 hours a day and sleeping here.
Right. So that was our justification.
But I'm sure people like John's mom came to visit
and she cried.
Yeah. So, yeah.
So maybe I'm a, maybe I don't even realize
(27:50):
I was living like that for a while.
I actually don't think I ever saw it in person.
It was pretty bad.
But I don't know, after we record this,
I will show you guys an example and you can let me know.
Okay. I don't think,
I don't think yours is as bad as what I'm talking about,
but you probably could have- You'd be surprised.
I have pictures. I'll show you.
Yeah. We'll compare.
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, that's crazy. Thank you for sharing with us.
(28:14):
And thank you for listening.
Leave us a review. Leave us a comment.
Tell us about your messy house.
Yes. Tell us about your messy house.
Yes.
All right. Bye.
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