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August 15, 2025 30 mins

Vice President JD Vance and his wife Usha seem very unhappy together in their public appearances. Usha looks miserable and talks about wanting to return to her career and home, while JD runs her down, uses her as a prop, and discusses marriage and parenthood like they’re requirements that must be endured. Joining me this week to discuss the politics of divorce, the second family's interracial marriage and what Usha should do next is Scaachi Koul, a senior writer for Slate and author of “Sucker Punch."

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