August 29, 2025 • 33 mins
In this conversation, Jovanna and Chelsea reconnect after significant life changes, discussing the importance of vulnerability and authenticity in their personal and creative lives. They explore how sharing personal stories can empower others and foster community support, especially in the context of healing from trauma. The discussion emphasizes the role of art as a healing tool and the necessity of resilience in moving forward. They conclude by encouraging listeners to embrace their vulnerabilities and seek connection with others.
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Welcome to the creative sisterhood where women take
center stage on screen and behind the scenes.
I'm Jovanna Burke, actress, filmmaker, producer and founder
of Grand Blvd. Entertainment.
And I'm Chelsea Hobbs, writer partner in Grand Blvd. and your
copilot on this wild ride through the entertainment
industry. Between the two of us, we've
spent over 50 years carving our own paths in this business, and
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now we're handing you the blueprint.
Each week we dive into real conversations about acting,
creating your own work, buildingyour brand, and surviving this
industry with your soul intact. Whether you're an aspiring
actress and indie filmmaker or just done waiting for.
Permission to tell your story? This space is for you.
Because here on The Creative Sisterhood, we don't play by the
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rules. We make our own.
Let's get into it. Oh, hello.
Hi. Hi, stranger.
Like I haven't seen you in a really long time.
Yeah, well, because. You were in Italy for 2 1/2
weeks while I was moving my life.
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Oh my gosh. I know. 2 totally different
spectrums but big changes. But here we are.
We're back. We're back.
And. Life is good.
Life is getting better for you. And yeah, I just had a good time
away. I needed that, though.
I feel like I needed a break from everything.
It was just go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go and.
Yeah, it's been a lot. I was living vicariously through
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all of your wine and pasta posts.
Mostly, after all, spirits, actually.
Yeah, yeah, that too. Yeah.
It's been. I'm just trying to get back into
the groove of real life again and traffic and kids being Uber
driving my children everywhere again.
Super rough. I don't know, something happens
like the back to school. It's so funny because we're all
so excited for summer. And then of course, your kids go
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back to school and it's really great in the beginning.
And then you're like, oh, right in the house.
I'm right back in waking up and making sandwiches and racing
through traffic. And my new house, I'm going to
have the worst traffic. So I'm bracing myself for that
because it's a very big difference for me, so.
Yeah. It'll be fine.
It'll be fine. It'll be fine.
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It's better to have be in a new space I think for you.
Yeah, yeah, I definitely needed that.
And it's funny because going through a divorce and then
moving when you move out of the house that you lived in with
your ex partner, like it's you don't realize how much of an
effect it has on you until you leave.
And then now I'm like how I yeah, I feel like I was in a
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weird time life warp and now I'mactually starting life over
again. Yeah, totally.
Do you feel like you shed a big layer of your skin like?
I do. I think that it's funny because
you and I, over the last year, been doing so much creatively,
like with the Creative Sisterhood and then with, you
know, all of our writing and producing and all of that, that
it was a really interesting blend of everything staying
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really stagnant, but then everything happening so fast and
all these great things were happening at the same time.
So yeah, I kind of feel like I've been living in the Twilight
Zone and now real life can actually take off a little bit,
if that makes sense at all. Like it's like a clarity.
Yeah, I think, I think a clarity.
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So yeah, if anybody follows me on Instagram, I shared some big
life stuff this last week. And I think clarity comes from
being able to use our voice. And I don't know.
And it's, it's more than just a physical move.
Like the physical move was sort of one of the last things that
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needed to happen. And then also just living very
honestly for me is it's a big part of who I am.
Is I just, I, I'm not a very private person, but I'm also
somebody that needs to not be hiding what my life really looks
like. I'm very open and honest.
Yeah, and I think that's just a huge part of being who you are
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as a person and as an artist andwho we are as creatives, right?
Vulnerability and and is really like a huge part of our lives.
And I think it's a superpower, honestly.
And I think that's kind of what today's episode should be
inspired by because, you know, Ithink you shared something
really moment of raw honesty in your life like last week.
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And it's kind of sparked a lot of reflection from you
beforehand and then also from everybody who read it and kind
of reflected on what you had to say.
And I think it reminded us that being open and vulnerable can be
really scary, but it can also bereally empowering.
Yeah, absolutely. It's bizarre because I think I
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didn't realize how much it was affecting me until I got it out
and I was telling someone that. It almost felt like, this is
kind of a gross comparison, but it felt like if you have to be
sick, like it felt like it needed to come out of my body.
And it wasn't even in my control.
But I knew that I had to. I just knew that I had to do it.
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And part of that is, yeah, wanting to live authentically
because as creatives, especiallyif we're actors, we do live a
public life to a certain extent.And our stories are what we
either tell other people's stories.
But what you and I want to do is, is tell our own stories.
And living authentically is kindof the way to go with that, I
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think. For me at least, Yeah.
I. Totally agree.
I think the. Outpour of other people, I mean,
it made me realize how importantour stories are to tell because
so many people have shared theirown experiences and so that has
really been a big eye opener andjust that it's it's really
important to be authentic. Absolutely.
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So I'm like, I mean, I know yourstory because I've been a part
of it with you all year, but. And beyond.
Listener, it was like, you know,I just like to kind of put it
out there because what Chelsea shared was so vulnerable.
And so again, an authentic part of her story that definitely
needed to come out because there's been a lot of like
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pillowing around it. What made you actually decide to
share that vulnerable post? Like what was like kind of like
the camel that like, you know, what is the saying?
The the catalyst, Yeah, the. Catalyst.
What are we? Talking about, I don't know,
like, you know what, the camel story, I don't know, like
there's like some kind of sayingabout a camel and then it didn't
come out at all. If anybody knows what she's
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talking about can you DM us cuz I have no idea.
Broke the camel's back. The straw that broke?
The camel's back. It was like the camel's humping
water and I don't know. I wouldn't think straight, yeah.
No, like I mean, all jokes aside, I think that what like I
was saying before, I have been on a healing journey.
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So I got out of an abusive marriage and I, I think that
healing looks really different for everybody.
But for me it has been, yeah, almost a year and a half of
healing. And I felt like I was playing a
little bit of on social media, which if anybody's followed me
for a long time, that's not who I am.
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It's not ever what I've done. I've been always very open.
And my daughter was very, you know, premature and I was
hospitalized for two months. And all this other stuff that's
happened in my life, I've been very transparent and honest
about. And it just was feeling kind of
gross to me to do posts like from the outside.
If I were to look at social media and somebody's page, it's
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obviously very easy for it to look perfect.
And I've never wanted to be thatperson.
So I think that knowing that andthen people writing me and
asking me what has happened because they've noticed that
I've become a single mother, I felt like I owed it to the
people that care about me and myfollowers to a certain extent.
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I want to keep my my kids faces private on social media and I
try to protect them and my family as much as possible.
So it really is tough because there is a fine line between
oversharing and sharing things that you genuinely think are
going to help people. And I guess I just felt that my
story would help other people and that although my life might
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look a certain way from the outside, the reality was very
different. And, you know, and it, it can
happen to anybody. And I, I think that it's really
important for everyone to see that.
I think it's more common than weunfortunately want to believe,
you know? I've realized that this week.
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Yeah. Like what kind of responses, you
know, Like what are the responses that really impacted
you the most from people? Because I know I read a few of
them and I was really blown awayby the vulnerability that people
showed. And even just like private
messages from other people, likefriends of mine that said things
privately about their experiences and abusive
relationships. Really.
So I feel like it just kind of opened a door and it and it's
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like such an important topic to talk about.
Yeah. I'd love to know how they
impacted you though specifically.
I think that when I pushed send,I almost threw up.
Actually, the craziest thing happened.
So do you remember I was at yourhouse and I had that weird aura
thing happened where I couldn't see and I was I lost a position.
Yeah. So.
That happened to me when I was writing the post and then I hit
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send and I got a giant so my right eye, my vision went and
then I pushed send and I got a migraine behind my eye.
And so I'm texting, I'm calling my mom and I'm like stress, do I
need to go to the ER? What is happening?
She's like, OK, honey, calm down.
Like tell me if anything changes.
And then I called her back when the headache happened and she
was like, well, what are you doing right now?
And I said, well, I'm making a post on social media and I told
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her I was doing and she was like, what's stress like?
No wonder, right? So anyway, the stress that I
felt from posting that was massive because, yeah, it's
obvious reasons. It's scary.
You put yourself out there, you don't know what backlash you're
going to get. You also don't want to try to be
somebody that's looking for likesympathy or anything like that.
So I just didn't know how it would be perceived.
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And then I started to get messages pouring in and I, I had
to take a step back because it was so overwhelming.
The love and the supports brought up a lot of emotions in
me. I started to feel a lot of
relief and I was amazed at how many people shared publicly that
they had been through things, you know, on their own responses
on my messages, But then the private messages that were
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coming through and I'm still getting like right now, it's a
lot of people that have gotten out of it.
But then there's also been a lotof messages of people that are
still navigating it and are saying, you know, I need to get
out. And that that's the thing that
surprised me, not surprised me the most, but because I, I know
that this is true, because we are all aware of when some
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things not right, we all know that it doesn't feel right, that
we're not happy. If, you know, abuse can look
like emotional, it can look verbal, it can look like
financial abuse, it can look physical.
And so the messages of people acknowledging that they know
that they're in an unhealthy situation, but it's taking that
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step and it's having the guts todo it and being afraid of the
repercussions, that's the hard part.
And that's the sad part, becausethat is the reality of so many
people so. Yeah.
There's been a lot of that and and then some people saying I
want to help my friend, which I think is a really amazing thing
because it's giving people the, you know, you just see people
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wanting to reach out and, and help other people and they're
saying, like, how can I help them get out of this situation?
Yeah. So it just, it reminds you that
there needs to be more conversations like this, more
people coming forward and being honest about.
It totally. I think you're absolutely right.
And I think it's just making it making people realize that it's
not like you're not like one of the 1% unfortunately.
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And it's more common than you think.
And maybe somebody you know has gone through and maybe they can
help you through it. Maybe they know some people who
could help. Counselors, lawyers, whatever it
may be, whatever stage you may be in.
Well, and there's a big stigma attached to if you're in
relationship with anybody, a family member or partner or
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friend that has aspects of you not being treated the way you
deserve or unhealthy or toxic orwhatever, that you are a weak
person. And I think that is something
that a lot of people hold on to and feel shame.
And I am a strong, confident woman guy, you know, like I, I
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don't take anybody's shit. Like I, I really, I feel like I
have a strong voice and I stand up for myself.
And even me finding myself in a situation like that made me have
that same conversation with myself where it's that self,
that negative self talk of, of it.
And so there really is a stigma attached to it, which is wrong
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because it truly is such a cliche, but it can happen to
anybody, you know? It's true.
Yeah, it's true. Well, I mean, I guess, yeah, I
think that you putting yourself out there and being vulnerable
for your listeners, for your fanbase, for yourself is actually a
power move in my opinion. And it's very brave and I think
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you're just a very resilient woman.
And so I think that just is going to hopefully inspire
others to be as resilient as youare and hopefully watch your
journey just get better and better and better.
Yeah, I think that's that's the first step is talking about it.
And I talked a little bit in a post today about how navigating
the system also can be very, very overwhelming.
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I think that what is so cool about the time that we live in
is the sense of community that we can find.
So like people knock Facebook, but Facebook groups are awesome
because there's a lot of communities on Facebook and
stuff that give, you know, poweris knowledge and you can know
what to expect and find resources and find other people
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that help you feel not alone, you know, on online there or
Google, there's so many different places for that.
So yeah, it's really important. We'll put some resources in the
notes for this episode so that if you feel so inclined, you can
click on any of those links and check them out.
I think that sharing struggles in life as an artist can really
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shape you, and sometimes that can make you be seen as weak and
sometimes it can make you be seen as powerful.
I think in this case, I think it's pretty powerful to share
and also to allow others to hearyour story so that they can then
hopefully deal with their own. Absolutely.
Do you ever feel like when you're vulnerable like this,
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it's a catalyst for connections with other people?
Because I do big time. I feel like I was very isolated,
which is also the nature of whenyou're finding yourself in a
situation like that, you do alsoisolate yourself without
realizing it. And the amount of friends that I
haven't seen or connections thatI've made since this has
happened, it's been very eye opening.
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And yeah, I mean, connection happens with stepping outside of
your comfort zone and honesty and leaning on your community or
people around you. And as far as being a creative
goes, it makes your art a lot better if you are able to be
honest through your art as well,Right?
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Well. I think it's helped like, you
know, with a lot of vulnerable storytelling for us for from
your side of things. So that's been really helpful.
And I think maybe I don't know about you, but like for a while
when you're in the middle of like a really hard season like
you were this last year and a half, I think it really helped
for you using that vulnerabilityto kept you moving forward, like
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with the arts. Because like, I kept pushing you
to write and get stuff done, butyou were releasing that
vulnerability that you're feeling and putting it into
characters and putting it into. The work, so how could?
How is that something that we can help listeners use that too?
Because I think that's as an artist, it's really important to
use our vulnerability when, you know, I'm not saying use your
trauma, but I'm saying if you'rein a vulnerable place, like what
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are some tools that you use Chelsea to get through that when
you were in a really hard season?
Was it? I think.
Was it? Well, it's, it's as an artist,
the way through healing and, andyou know, the way to get out is
to go through something you yeah, you have to go in to get
out, to get through it. And so for me, that looked like
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writing because I didn't feel that I could use my voice and I
wanted to use my voice so badly.So I used my voice on paper.
I was able to process my thoughts and what I was going
through by writing. And when you have so much
happening, you can look back andit's all just a big blur and you
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don't remember. And like you think in the
moment, you're going to rememberall these crazy things that are
happening. You don't, You often don't.
And so for me, I also felt that I needed to write to heal, but
also to remember that I lived through this and what this felt
like. And one day being able to
reflect on it maybe is is part of what I felt like I needed to
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do. But it absolutely helps to just
get it out because as we all know, with trauma, PTSD,
anything like that, anything that we don't get out of our
body turns into sickness or disease.
And you can make yourself so sick holding it all in.
So however you can get it out, whether it's talking to somebody
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or writing or even like dancing or whatever your way of
expression is, I think is is essential to becoming healthy
through your healing and, and getting through it as opposed to
holding on to it and, and keeping it inside.
You can't do that. Yeah, no, for sure.
And I think it's also healthy like because often when we go
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through trauma, like you said, we do tend to forget.
And that's how cycles happen, right?
Like if you don't deal with it and, and actually like live
through it, maybe write it down or do whatever it is that works
for you. So that's how we can slip back
into cycles like, you know, And so it's like, how do we push out
of those cycles by like using our art, being vulnerable and
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like trying to make it into a positive.
Thing I think it's just you alsohave to take it one day at a
time. I'm like and I remember saying
to you it's not even day by day right now it's hour by hour and
not allowing yourself to spiral by thinking about everything
that's fallen apart or isn't going right in your life and and
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the mountain is giant in front of you.
So what you have to do is you have to go OK, this is how big
the mountain is. I know the mountains that big,
but how can I just take one tinyPebble and like start to push it
up the hill or it's like just one little thing at a time
because you aren't going to be able to do everything quick and
at once. So yeah, for me it was it was
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honestly a lot of days, just hour by hour going, what can I
do right now in this moment to feel good about, you know, one
step towards whatever in my day.And we talked about this even
just with creating and building business, as we say, do one
thing a day, right? And it's the same with any, I
feel like it's the same with anything, you know, especially
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when there's no structure and noclear path and clear answer.
You just have to do 1 little step at a time, 1 little foot in
front of the other. And yeah, almost a year and a
half of doing that, and I'm hereand finally I can look back and
go, whoa, I cannot believe that I just went through all of that.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. But you know, you turned your
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hardship into something cool because you're using it to
empower other people and not just like the post.
I'm talking about the work that you and I are doing too.
You know, a lot of the themes that we use and a lot of the
themes that we have within, likeweaved into the work are
universal themes that will help empower creatives and females
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specifically, you know, to get out of situations perhaps or.
Well, you just, you have two choices.
You can either choose to, you know, feel sorry for yourself
and sit in it and be sad about it, or you can choose to not and
get through it and and go, what good can I take from this?
And for us, I was like, well, this is going to make some great
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stories. Like, you know, so how?
Yeah. Let's turn this into gold
somehow. Yeah, that's mine.
The Gold, Chelsea. I know I was, you know, I feel
like every crazy thing that would happen, I'd be like, you'd
be like, right, yeah, let's change the storyline of yeah,
yeah, you know. Totally.
And of course, like, you always have to be careful in that
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because, you know, you, you do have to be careful with being
inspired by life. But but just in, in general,
that's where good stories come from.
And so much of life, you know, even with the funny stuff that
we've written, where our families have been involved,
we're like, you literally cannotwrite this.
Like it's so funny. Yeah.
So. Every day I write stuff.
It's where. Art comes from yeah, it's crazy.
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Like the silliest stuff, and especially with children they
make absolutely. Yeah, but but it's taking care
of yourself like, you know, and some days if you can't do any
work and you just need to take aday and heal and or be sad or
cry or, you know, then that's OK.
That's, that's part of it. It's messy feelings.
I know it's never going to be linear, that's for sure.
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Never. So OK, what's 1 message you'd
want our listeners who are goingthrough a tough time right now
to hear? I'm going to steal.
And I don't know if this is actually a quote, it's going to
be really badly quoted. But they asked Angelina Jolie
this question and she said just keep going through it.
And that's it. Like that is I've I've, I've
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lived that way before. I heard her say that, but I
heard her say that and she was like, just keep going through
it. And it's true.
You just, you have to keep going.
You have to feel everything. If it's messy, you have to allow
it to be messy, but you have to every single day just keep going
forward. And there there's no other
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option because that's it. That's life.
There's always going to be something, right?
Whether it's a sick grandparent or you know, and some losses are
greater than others, you know, they're harder to work through
and and move through. But I think we just have to keep
moving through it. We have to keep going forward.
And art, if you are listening, you're probably a creative heart
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heals, does. So that's a big tool A. 100% and
I think embracing our vulnerabilities instead of
pushing them away is how we reclaim our power in our life,
right and in our art. Yeah, because the more authentic
you can be with yourself, as we always talk about, the more
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centered that you are as a humanbeing, the better your art is
going to be because it's going to be more authentic and it's
going to be more different and more sparkly and more beautiful.
So don't be afraid of those uglyparts of yourself, because they
may be the most beautiful part of you and you just don't know
it yet. Totally, and also I, I said to
myself, I said I want this to bemy year of yes.
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And I don't know why I felt thatway, but I felt like I just was
more open to wanting to throw the spaghetti at the wall and
see what's stuck. Because when you have an all is
lost moment, what do you have tolose?
Right. And with with that comes the
most amazing things. I was doing more guided sound,
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sound baths and I was off roading and doing things that I
would like. I, I've done sound baths before,
but like I was also doing thingsthat were before really scary to
me and pushing myself out of my comfort zone.
And with that came a new versionof me.
You know, it was like a beautiful self discovery and
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ownership and finding my autonomy and, and I think it
reflected, it helped the healingand then it reflected in the art
and it created a freeness that Ididn't have before because I was
holding on so tightly to the control of everything and I
didn't have the ability to do that anymore.
So I think leaning into that is also it's an opportunity to lean
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in to lean into it and see what happens.
So. I love that so much.
It's kind of cool. Yeah, it's really cool, and I
think it's been really brave. You've had a brave year.
Yeah. It's been, this has been the
theme of the years, Yeah. Bravery, I guess, yeah.
Yeah, but it's created resilience, more resilience,
right? Like you were already resilient
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before, but this really like pushed you to the boundaries.
But in that way, it's made you more powerful.
So I don't want to be resilient anymore though.
I know like I'm done. I'm just going to step into my
power now. I'm OK, universe, I'm resilient.
Yeah, I got. This.
Should I prove it to you? But your kids also see it.
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So that's another conversation is if you're a parent, I think
you know when you when you ask, like, like what made you want
to, you know, say enough or no more or do the post or whatever.
And I think as a parent, you have to remember that your kids
are watching you. And I think that was the biggest
thing for me as well is, you know, what do I want my children
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to see and what kind of people do I want them to be?
And if the answer isn't, you know, that you are emulating
that version to your kids, then that's something you really got
to look at. So yeah, yeah, that's huge.
And and them seeing that braveryor self ownership and drive and
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yeah, drive and that's The thingis stepping into what we're
doing. I think it's very interesting
for you and I, both of our kids,to see us be ballsy AF and
crazy. And but also, how empowering.
Yeah. To see us, you take risks and go
for it and and pivot. If something doesn't go the way
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that we think it's going to, howdo we pivot?
Pivoting can look like pivoting out of a bad marriage, or it can
be pivoting in your career. Totally.
And again, like using your vulnerability in this career,
like how much rejection do we gothrough, right?
Like weekly. Yeah.
Through acting through our stories, whatever it may be.
Yeah. And how can we use that
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vulnerable moment instead of being like, I quit, I'm done,
I'm never doing this again. Instead being like, OK, what's
the next Rd. How can I pivot?
And like, where are we going next?
Like, how are we gonna make thiswork?
Yeah, because I think that's just a life lesson.
And I think that's maybe becausebecause of your resilience as an
actor, right? Because of the rejection that
you've endured over the past 30 years of being in this career,
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how it's kind of helped you not get into your victimhood.
Like I think it helped you kind of keep pushing ahead a little
bit because you were like, I've,it's not like you've been in
that particular space before, but you've been in a place where
you've like felt I've had to start.
Over again yeah, this is not my first time starting over again
and and you know what it's also not my first time in a toxic
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relationship so there's also that self reflection and going.
I'm tired of this. I don't want to do this anymore.
I don't want to. I don't know.
I mean, I don't even know the right word, but just.
Stay in that cycle again, right?Like I think it's like you've
found a way to reflect on maybe the choices that you've made in
the past and the choices that you don't want to make again or
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like, you know, that kind of stuff because you've had to look
at it. So Raleigh the past year and a
half and. When you have kids, you have no
choice but to, yeah, change it or fix it or show up for them.
And that is the greatest drive as a parent and as a creative if
you don't have anybody else to fall back on as a single mom, I
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mean, I'm like, OK, I'm either going to go get a job at
McDonald's. No shade to anybody that works
at McDonald's. But like, you know, I can either
do that or I can really try to just work my ass off and make
something great that they would be proud of, that I'm proud of
and choose to, yeah, change my life, right?
Yeah, yeah, percent. It's all about choices.
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It is when you wake up in the morning.
Are we going to choose happy? Are we going to choose sad?
What are we going to choose today?
I mean, depending on my cycle and I'm yeah, no A. 100%.
Not always our choice. I mean, today is not the choice
for me. Yeah, it's harder.
Some days than others, definitely.
Like why am I so mad today? There he is.
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Yeah, you open flow and you're like, God damn it.
Yeah, it's OK. Yeah, we're gonna have to like,
you know, do an episode on perimenopause and being creative
at some point. 100% and we'll bring in some kind of an expert
on that because I like to hear about it.
Oh my Lord. What we're going through here,
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and when you have a teenage daughter who's also going
through the hormones at the sametime as you but on the opposite
of things, it's really fun. Eileen I kind of missed each
other on that. Like I, yeah, but I, I can
imagine with my youngest daughter, we're going to be
pretty, pretty paranoid to each.Well, you'll be a little bit
opposite because I think right now, like I feel like I've, I'm
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starting to go through perimenopause and my daughter's
just starting to go into like her female cycle, right?
She's 13, right? There.
So yeah, let me know how that goes.
It's not going well, I'll tell you that.
The next episode is with Giovanna Burke talking about
bravery. As a teenage.
Resilience. With a teenager in your house.
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My gosh, Anyway, yeah, I don't know.
I mean, yeah, going back, I think that I'm really happy that
I, I don't know, maybe I'm crazyfor sharing what I did and
putting it out there like that. But I think that it has
definitely had an, a positive, positive effect on people who
need it, which was my number onething.
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Also selfishly has helped me in some of my healing because it
felt like a toxic bomb inside ofme that I needed to get out.
I just couldn't keep it in anymore and.
Well, 100%. Yeah, I just, I, I don't know, I
think that there's so much fakeness out in the world and we
do have a responsibility a little bit when we're in the
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public eye at all, you know, to be as real as we can possibly
be. I think so.
And. And to the benefit of your own
family too. Like, yeah, yeah, I think it's
not a bad thing. Yeah, totally.
So here we are, and. I think we're just taking away
that vulnerability is a superpower at the end of the
day, and to not be afraid of it,whatever that means to you, it
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doesn't mean you have to do likesomething super, super brave.
But maybe the take away today issomething like lean into that
thing that you're afraid of and maybe take a step forward and
being vulnerable about it with yourself first and foremost, and
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then maybe your best friend or your partner or your mom or your
dad or whoever is in your life that you feel comfortable
talking to. Yeah.
I wish that I would have. I wish I would have been a
little bit more honest with people in real time as opposed
to having to after be honest with people about what had been
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happening in my life. Because had I done that, you
know, it would have been different.
It would have expedited the process and not maybe gotten to
the place that it it got to in the end.
And I would have been able to have a different path.
So I think that if you're going through something and you're
feeling alone, you need to change that.
You need to find your people, your community, whether it's
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online or a friend or family member.
But yeah, not everybody has a friend or family member that
they feel safe talking to. So there are so many resources
out there, and you'll be shockedat how many people are living.
You know, as much as your experience is unique, it's not
unique. There's a lot of people in the
world that have gone through identical things and they're out
there. Yeah.
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So yeah, reach out, whatever that means to you.
We will post some links in the bio for the podcast episode and
on our Instagram page so that hopefully it helps somebody who
might need it. And don't forget that
vulnerability is truly resilience and a.
Superpower, you've got this. OK.
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Thank you for listening. All right guys, have a great day
and we'd love to hear your feedback.
So send us a DM, let us know howyou're being brave and and being
resilient in your life right now.
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Rules we make our own.
Welcome to the creative sisterhood where women take
center stage on screen and behind the scenes.
I'm Jovanna Burke, actress, filmmaker, producer and founder
of Grand Blvd. Entertainment.
And I'm Chelsea Hobbs, writer partner in Grand Blvd. and your
copilot on this wild ride through the entertainment
industry. Between the two of us, we've
spent over 50 years carving our own paths in this business, and
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now we're handing you the blueprint.
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Permission to tell your story? This space is for you.
Because here on The Creative Sisterhood, we don't play by the
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rules. We make our own.
Let's get into it. Oh, hello.
Hi. Hi, stranger.
Like I haven't seen you in a really long time.
Yeah, well, because. You were in Italy for 2 1/2
weeks while I was moving my life.
(01:08):
Oh my gosh. I know. 2 totally different
spectrums but big changes. But here we are.
We're back. We're back.
And. Life is good.
Life is getting better for you. And yeah, I just had a good time
away. I needed that, though.
I feel like I needed a break from everything.
It was just go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go and.
Yeah, it's been a lot. I was living vicariously through
(01:31):
all of your wine and pasta posts.
Mostly, after all, spirits, actually.
Yeah, yeah, that too. Yeah.
It's been. I'm just trying to get back into
the groove of real life again and traffic and kids being Uber
driving my children everywhere again.
Super rough. I don't know, something happens
like the back to school. It's so funny because we're all
so excited for summer. And then of course, your kids go
(01:53):
back to school and it's really great in the beginning.
And then you're like, oh, right in the house.
I'm right back in waking up and making sandwiches and racing
through traffic. And my new house, I'm going to
have the worst traffic. So I'm bracing myself for that
because it's a very big difference for me, so.
Yeah. It'll be fine.
It'll be fine. It'll be fine.
(02:13):
It's better to have be in a new space I think for you.
Yeah, yeah, I definitely needed that.
And it's funny because going through a divorce and then
moving when you move out of the house that you lived in with
your ex partner, like it's you don't realize how much of an
effect it has on you until you leave.
And then now I'm like how I yeah, I feel like I was in a
(02:34):
weird time life warp and now I'mactually starting life over
again. Yeah, totally.
Do you feel like you shed a big layer of your skin like?
I do. I think that it's funny because
you and I, over the last year, been doing so much creatively,
like with the Creative Sisterhood and then with, you
know, all of our writing and producing and all of that, that
it was a really interesting blend of everything staying
(02:57):
really stagnant, but then everything happening so fast and
all these great things were happening at the same time.
So yeah, I kind of feel like I've been living in the Twilight
Zone and now real life can actually take off a little bit,
if that makes sense at all. Like it's like a clarity.
Yeah, I think, I think a clarity.
(03:17):
So yeah, if anybody follows me on Instagram, I shared some big
life stuff this last week. And I think clarity comes from
being able to use our voice. And I don't know.
And it's, it's more than just a physical move.
Like the physical move was sort of one of the last things that
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needed to happen. And then also just living very
honestly for me is it's a big part of who I am.
Is I just, I, I'm not a very private person, but I'm also
somebody that needs to not be hiding what my life really looks
like. I'm very open and honest.
Yeah, and I think that's just a huge part of being who you are
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as a person and as an artist andwho we are as creatives, right?
Vulnerability and and is really like a huge part of our lives.
And I think it's a superpower, honestly.
And I think that's kind of what today's episode should be
inspired by because, you know, Ithink you shared something
really moment of raw honesty in your life like last week.
(04:21):
And it's kind of sparked a lot of reflection from you
beforehand and then also from everybody who read it and kind
of reflected on what you had to say.
And I think it reminded us that being open and vulnerable can be
really scary, but it can also bereally empowering.
Yeah, absolutely. It's bizarre because I think I
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didn't realize how much it was affecting me until I got it out
and I was telling someone that. It almost felt like, this is
kind of a gross comparison, but it felt like if you have to be
sick, like it felt like it needed to come out of my body.
And it wasn't even in my control.
But I knew that I had to. I just knew that I had to do it.
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And part of that is, yeah, wanting to live authentically
because as creatives, especiallyif we're actors, we do live a
public life to a certain extent.And our stories are what we
either tell other people's stories.
But what you and I want to do is, is tell our own stories.
And living authentically is kindof the way to go with that, I
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think. For me at least, Yeah.
I. Totally agree.
I think the. Outpour of other people, I mean,
it made me realize how importantour stories are to tell because
so many people have shared theirown experiences and so that has
really been a big eye opener andjust that it's it's really
important to be authentic. Absolutely.
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So I'm like, I mean, I know yourstory because I've been a part
of it with you all year, but. And beyond.
Listener, it was like, you know,I just like to kind of put it
out there because what Chelsea shared was so vulnerable.
And so again, an authentic part of her story that definitely
needed to come out because there's been a lot of like
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pillowing around it. What made you actually decide to
share that vulnerable post? Like what was like kind of like
the camel that like, you know, what is the saying?
The the catalyst, Yeah, the. Catalyst.
What are we? Talking about, I don't know,
like, you know what, the camel story, I don't know, like
there's like some kind of sayingabout a camel and then it didn't
come out at all. If anybody knows what she's
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talking about can you DM us cuz I have no idea.
Broke the camel's back. The straw that broke?
The camel's back. It was like the camel's humping
water and I don't know. I wouldn't think straight, yeah.
No, like I mean, all jokes aside, I think that what like I
was saying before, I have been on a healing journey.
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So I got out of an abusive marriage and I, I think that
healing looks really different for everybody.
But for me it has been, yeah, almost a year and a half of
healing. And I felt like I was playing a
little bit of on social media, which if anybody's followed me
for a long time, that's not who I am.
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It's not ever what I've done. I've been always very open.
And my daughter was very, you know, premature and I was
hospitalized for two months. And all this other stuff that's
happened in my life, I've been very transparent and honest
about. And it just was feeling kind of
gross to me to do posts like from the outside.
If I were to look at social media and somebody's page, it's
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obviously very easy for it to look perfect.
And I've never wanted to be thatperson.
So I think that knowing that andthen people writing me and
asking me what has happened because they've noticed that
I've become a single mother, I felt like I owed it to the
people that care about me and myfollowers to a certain extent.
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I want to keep my my kids faces private on social media and I
try to protect them and my family as much as possible.
So it really is tough because there is a fine line between
oversharing and sharing things that you genuinely think are
going to help people. And I guess I just felt that my
story would help other people and that although my life might
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look a certain way from the outside, the reality was very
different. And, you know, and it, it can
happen to anybody. And I, I think that it's really
important for everyone to see that.
I think it's more common than weunfortunately want to believe,
you know? I've realized that this week.
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Yeah. Like what kind of responses, you
know, Like what are the responses that really impacted
you the most from people? Because I know I read a few of
them and I was really blown awayby the vulnerability that people
showed. And even just like private
messages from other people, likefriends of mine that said things
privately about their experiences and abusive
relationships. Really.
So I feel like it just kind of opened a door and it and it's
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like such an important topic to talk about.
Yeah. I'd love to know how they
impacted you though specifically.
I think that when I pushed send,I almost threw up.
Actually, the craziest thing happened.
So do you remember I was at yourhouse and I had that weird aura
thing happened where I couldn't see and I was I lost a position.
Yeah. So.
That happened to me when I was writing the post and then I hit
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send and I got a giant so my right eye, my vision went and
then I pushed send and I got a migraine behind my eye.
And so I'm texting, I'm calling my mom and I'm like stress, do I
need to go to the ER? What is happening?
She's like, OK, honey, calm down.
Like tell me if anything changes.
And then I called her back when the headache happened and she
was like, well, what are you doing right now?
And I said, well, I'm making a post on social media and I told
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her I was doing and she was like, what's stress like?
No wonder, right? So anyway, the stress that I
felt from posting that was massive because, yeah, it's
obvious reasons. It's scary.
You put yourself out there, you don't know what backlash you're
going to get. You also don't want to try to be
somebody that's looking for likesympathy or anything like that.
So I just didn't know how it would be perceived.
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And then I started to get messages pouring in and I, I had
to take a step back because it was so overwhelming.
The love and the supports brought up a lot of emotions in
me. I started to feel a lot of
relief and I was amazed at how many people shared publicly that
they had been through things, you know, on their own responses
on my messages, But then the private messages that were
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coming through and I'm still getting like right now, it's a
lot of people that have gotten out of it.
But then there's also been a lotof messages of people that are
still navigating it and are saying, you know, I need to get
out. And that that's the thing that
surprised me, not surprised me the most, but because I, I know
that this is true, because we are all aware of when some
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things not right, we all know that it doesn't feel right, that
we're not happy. If, you know, abuse can look
like emotional, it can look verbal, it can look like
financial abuse, it can look physical.
And so the messages of people acknowledging that they know
that they're in an unhealthy situation, but it's taking that
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step and it's having the guts todo it and being afraid of the
repercussions, that's the hard part.
And that's the sad part, becausethat is the reality of so many
people so. Yeah.
There's been a lot of that and and then some people saying I
want to help my friend, which I think is a really amazing thing
because it's giving people the, you know, you just see people
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wanting to reach out and, and help other people and they're
saying, like, how can I help them get out of this situation?
Yeah. So it just, it reminds you that
there needs to be more conversations like this, more
people coming forward and being honest about.
It totally. I think you're absolutely right.
And I think it's just making it making people realize that it's
not like you're not like one of the 1% unfortunately.
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And it's more common than you think.
And maybe somebody you know has gone through and maybe they can
help you through it. Maybe they know some people who
could help. Counselors, lawyers, whatever it
may be, whatever stage you may be in.
Well, and there's a big stigma attached to if you're in
relationship with anybody, a family member or partner or
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friend that has aspects of you not being treated the way you
deserve or unhealthy or toxic orwhatever, that you are a weak
person. And I think that is something
that a lot of people hold on to and feel shame.
And I am a strong, confident woman guy, you know, like I, I
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don't take anybody's shit. Like I, I really, I feel like I
have a strong voice and I stand up for myself.
And even me finding myself in a situation like that made me have
that same conversation with myself where it's that self,
that negative self talk of, of it.
And so there really is a stigma attached to it, which is wrong
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because it truly is such a cliche, but it can happen to
anybody, you know? It's true.
Yeah, it's true. Well, I mean, I guess, yeah, I
think that you putting yourself out there and being vulnerable
for your listeners, for your fanbase, for yourself is actually a
power move in my opinion. And it's very brave and I think
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you're just a very resilient woman.
And so I think that just is going to hopefully inspire
others to be as resilient as youare and hopefully watch your
journey just get better and better and better.
Yeah, I think that's that's the first step is talking about it.
And I talked a little bit in a post today about how navigating
the system also can be very, very overwhelming.
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I think that what is so cool about the time that we live in
is the sense of community that we can find.
So like people knock Facebook, but Facebook groups are awesome
because there's a lot of communities on Facebook and
stuff that give, you know, poweris knowledge and you can know
what to expect and find resources and find other people
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that help you feel not alone, you know, on online there or
Google, there's so many different places for that.
So yeah, it's really important. We'll put some resources in the
notes for this episode so that if you feel so inclined, you can
click on any of those links and check them out.
I think that sharing struggles in life as an artist can really
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shape you, and sometimes that can make you be seen as weak and
sometimes it can make you be seen as powerful.
I think in this case, I think it's pretty powerful to share
and also to allow others to hearyour story so that they can then
hopefully deal with their own. Absolutely.
Do you ever feel like when you're vulnerable like this,
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it's a catalyst for connections with other people?
Because I do big time. I feel like I was very isolated,
which is also the nature of whenyou're finding yourself in a
situation like that, you do alsoisolate yourself without
realizing it. And the amount of friends that I
haven't seen or connections thatI've made since this has
happened, it's been very eye opening.
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And yeah, I mean, connection happens with stepping outside of
your comfort zone and honesty and leaning on your community or
people around you. And as far as being a creative
goes, it makes your art a lot better if you are able to be
honest through your art as well,Right?
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Well. I think it's helped like, you
know, with a lot of vulnerable storytelling for us for from
your side of things. So that's been really helpful.
And I think maybe I don't know about you, but like for a while
when you're in the middle of like a really hard season like
you were this last year and a half, I think it really helped
for you using that vulnerabilityto kept you moving forward, like
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with the arts. Because like, I kept pushing you
to write and get stuff done, butyou were releasing that
vulnerability that you're feeling and putting it into
characters and putting it into. The work, so how could?
How is that something that we can help listeners use that too?
Because I think that's as an artist, it's really important to
use our vulnerability when, you know, I'm not saying use your
trauma, but I'm saying if you'rein a vulnerable place, like what
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are some tools that you use Chelsea to get through that when
you were in a really hard season?
Was it? I think.
Was it? Well, it's, it's as an artist,
the way through healing and, andyou know, the way to get out is
to go through something you yeah, you have to go in to get
out, to get through it. And so for me, that looked like
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writing because I didn't feel that I could use my voice and I
wanted to use my voice so badly.So I used my voice on paper.
I was able to process my thoughts and what I was going
through by writing. And when you have so much
happening, you can look back andit's all just a big blur and you
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don't remember. And like you think in the
moment, you're going to rememberall these crazy things that are
happening. You don't, You often don't.
And so for me, I also felt that I needed to write to heal, but
also to remember that I lived through this and what this felt
like. And one day being able to
reflect on it maybe is is part of what I felt like I needed to
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do. But it absolutely helps to just
get it out because as we all know, with trauma, PTSD,
anything like that, anything that we don't get out of our
body turns into sickness or disease.
And you can make yourself so sick holding it all in.
So however you can get it out, whether it's talking to somebody
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or writing or even like dancing or whatever your way of
expression is, I think is is essential to becoming healthy
through your healing and, and getting through it as opposed to
holding on to it and, and keeping it inside.
You can't do that. Yeah, no, for sure.
And I think it's also healthy like because often when we go
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through trauma, like you said, we do tend to forget.
And that's how cycles happen, right?
Like if you don't deal with it and, and actually like live
through it, maybe write it down or do whatever it is that works
for you. So that's how we can slip back
into cycles like, you know, And so it's like, how do we push out
of those cycles by like using our art, being vulnerable and
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like trying to make it into a positive.
Thing I think it's just you alsohave to take it one day at a
time. I'm like and I remember saying
to you it's not even day by day right now it's hour by hour and
not allowing yourself to spiral by thinking about everything
that's fallen apart or isn't going right in your life and and
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the mountain is giant in front of you.
So what you have to do is you have to go OK, this is how big
the mountain is. I know the mountains that big,
but how can I just take one tinyPebble and like start to push it
up the hill or it's like just one little thing at a time
because you aren't going to be able to do everything quick and
at once. So yeah, for me it was it was
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honestly a lot of days, just hour by hour going, what can I
do right now in this moment to feel good about, you know, one
step towards whatever in my day.And we talked about this even
just with creating and building business, as we say, do one
thing a day, right? And it's the same with any, I
feel like it's the same with anything, you know, especially
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when there's no structure and noclear path and clear answer.
You just have to do 1 little step at a time, 1 little foot in
front of the other. And yeah, almost a year and a
half of doing that, and I'm hereand finally I can look back and
go, whoa, I cannot believe that I just went through all of that.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. But you know, you turned your
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hardship into something cool because you're using it to
empower other people and not just like the post.
I'm talking about the work that you and I are doing too.
You know, a lot of the themes that we use and a lot of the
themes that we have within, likeweaved into the work are
universal themes that will help empower creatives and females
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specifically, you know, to get out of situations perhaps or.
Well, you just, you have two choices.
You can either choose to, you know, feel sorry for yourself
and sit in it and be sad about it, or you can choose to not and
get through it and and go, what good can I take from this?
And for us, I was like, well, this is going to make some great
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stories. Like, you know, so how?
Yeah. Let's turn this into gold
somehow. Yeah, that's mine.
The Gold, Chelsea. I know I was, you know, I feel
like every crazy thing that would happen, I'd be like, you'd
be like, right, yeah, let's change the storyline of yeah,
yeah, you know. Totally.
And of course, like, you always have to be careful in that
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because, you know, you, you do have to be careful with being
inspired by life. But but just in, in general,
that's where good stories come from.
And so much of life, you know, even with the funny stuff that
we've written, where our families have been involved,
we're like, you literally cannotwrite this.
Like it's so funny. Yeah.
So. Every day I write stuff.
It's where. Art comes from yeah, it's crazy.
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Like the silliest stuff, and especially with children they
make absolutely. Yeah, but but it's taking care
of yourself like, you know, and some days if you can't do any
work and you just need to take aday and heal and or be sad or
cry or, you know, then that's OK.
That's, that's part of it. It's messy feelings.
I know it's never going to be linear, that's for sure.
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Never. So OK, what's 1 message you'd
want our listeners who are goingthrough a tough time right now
to hear? I'm going to steal.
And I don't know if this is actually a quote, it's going to
be really badly quoted. But they asked Angelina Jolie
this question and she said just keep going through it.
And that's it. Like that is I've I've, I've
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lived that way before. I heard her say that, but I
heard her say that and she was like, just keep going through
it. And it's true.
You just, you have to keep going.
You have to feel everything. If it's messy, you have to allow
it to be messy, but you have to every single day just keep going
forward. And there there's no other
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option because that's it. That's life.
There's always going to be something, right?
Whether it's a sick grandparent or you know, and some losses are
greater than others, you know, they're harder to work through
and and move through. But I think we just have to keep
moving through it. We have to keep going forward.
And art, if you are listening, you're probably a creative heart
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heals, does. So that's a big tool A. 100% and
I think embracing our vulnerabilities instead of
pushing them away is how we reclaim our power in our life,
right and in our art. Yeah, because the more authentic
you can be with yourself, as we always talk about, the more
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centered that you are as a humanbeing, the better your art is
going to be because it's going to be more authentic and it's
going to be more different and more sparkly and more beautiful.
So don't be afraid of those uglyparts of yourself, because they
may be the most beautiful part of you and you just don't know
it yet. Totally, and also I, I said to
myself, I said I want this to bemy year of yes.
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And I don't know why I felt thatway, but I felt like I just was
more open to wanting to throw the spaghetti at the wall and
see what's stuck. Because when you have an all is
lost moment, what do you have tolose?
Right. And with with that comes the
most amazing things. I was doing more guided sound,
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sound baths and I was off roading and doing things that I
would like. I, I've done sound baths before,
but like I was also doing thingsthat were before really scary to
me and pushing myself out of my comfort zone.
And with that came a new versionof me.
You know, it was like a beautiful self discovery and
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ownership and finding my autonomy and, and I think it
reflected, it helped the healingand then it reflected in the art
and it created a freeness that Ididn't have before because I was
holding on so tightly to the control of everything and I
didn't have the ability to do that anymore.
So I think leaning into that is also it's an opportunity to lean
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in to lean into it and see what happens.
So. I love that so much.
It's kind of cool. Yeah, it's really cool, and I
think it's been really brave. You've had a brave year.
Yeah. It's been, this has been the
theme of the years, Yeah. Bravery, I guess, yeah.
Yeah, but it's created resilience, more resilience,
right? Like you were already resilient
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before, but this really like pushed you to the boundaries.
But in that way, it's made you more powerful.
So I don't want to be resilient anymore though.
I know like I'm done. I'm just going to step into my
power now. I'm OK, universe, I'm resilient.
Yeah, I got. This.
Should I prove it to you? But your kids also see it.
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So that's another conversation is if you're a parent, I think
you know when you when you ask, like, like what made you want
to, you know, say enough or no more or do the post or whatever.
And I think as a parent, you have to remember that your kids
are watching you. And I think that was the biggest
thing for me as well is, you know, what do I want my children
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to see and what kind of people do I want them to be?
And if the answer isn't, you know, that you are emulating
that version to your kids, then that's something you really got
to look at. So yeah, yeah, that's huge.
And and them seeing that braveryor self ownership and drive and
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yeah, drive and that's The thingis stepping into what we're
doing. I think it's very interesting
for you and I, both of our kids,to see us be ballsy AF and
crazy. And but also, how empowering.
Yeah. To see us, you take risks and go
for it and and pivot. If something doesn't go the way
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that we think it's going to, howdo we pivot?
Pivoting can look like pivoting out of a bad marriage, or it can
be pivoting in your career. Totally.
And again, like using your vulnerability in this career,
like how much rejection do we gothrough, right?
Like weekly. Yeah.
Through acting through our stories, whatever it may be.
Yeah. And how can we use that
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vulnerable moment instead of being like, I quit, I'm done,
I'm never doing this again. Instead being like, OK, what's
the next Rd. How can I pivot?
And like, where are we going next?
Like, how are we gonna make thiswork?
Yeah, because I think that's just a life lesson.
And I think that's maybe becausebecause of your resilience as an
actor, right? Because of the rejection that
you've endured over the past 30 years of being in this career,
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how it's kind of helped you not get into your victimhood.
Like I think it helped you kind of keep pushing ahead a little
bit because you were like, I've,it's not like you've been in
that particular space before, but you've been in a place where
you've like felt I've had to start.
Over again yeah, this is not my first time starting over again
and and you know what it's also not my first time in a toxic
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relationship so there's also that self reflection and going.
I'm tired of this. I don't want to do this anymore.
I don't want to. I don't know.
I mean, I don't even know the right word, but just.
Stay in that cycle again, right?Like I think it's like you've
found a way to reflect on maybe the choices that you've made in
the past and the choices that you don't want to make again or
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like, you know, that kind of stuff because you've had to look
at it. So Raleigh the past year and a
half and. When you have kids, you have no
choice but to, yeah, change it or fix it or show up for them.
And that is the greatest drive as a parent and as a creative if
you don't have anybody else to fall back on as a single mom, I
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mean, I'm like, OK, I'm either going to go get a job at
McDonald's. No shade to anybody that works
at McDonald's. But like, you know, I can either
do that or I can really try to just work my ass off and make
something great that they would be proud of, that I'm proud of
and choose to, yeah, change my life, right?
Yeah, yeah, percent. It's all about choices.
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It is when you wake up in the morning.
Are we going to choose happy? Are we going to choose sad?
What are we going to choose today?
I mean, depending on my cycle and I'm yeah, no A. 100%.
Not always our choice. I mean, today is not the choice
for me. Yeah, it's harder.
Some days than others, definitely.
Like why am I so mad today? There he is.
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Yeah, you open flow and you're like, God damn it.
Yeah, it's OK. Yeah, we're gonna have to like,
you know, do an episode on perimenopause and being creative
at some point. 100% and we'll bring in some kind of an expert
on that because I like to hear about it.
Oh my Lord. What we're going through here,
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and when you have a teenage daughter who's also going
through the hormones at the sametime as you but on the opposite
of things, it's really fun. Eileen I kind of missed each
other on that. Like I, yeah, but I, I can
imagine with my youngest daughter, we're going to be
pretty, pretty paranoid to each.Well, you'll be a little bit
opposite because I think right now, like I feel like I've, I'm
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starting to go through perimenopause and my daughter's
just starting to go into like her female cycle, right?
She's 13, right? There.
So yeah, let me know how that goes.
It's not going well, I'll tell you that.
The next episode is with Giovanna Burke talking about
bravery. As a teenage.
Resilience. With a teenager in your house.
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My gosh, Anyway, yeah, I don't know.
I mean, yeah, going back, I think that I'm really happy that
I, I don't know, maybe I'm crazyfor sharing what I did and
putting it out there like that. But I think that it has
definitely had an, a positive, positive effect on people who
need it, which was my number onething.
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Also selfishly has helped me in some of my healing because it
felt like a toxic bomb inside ofme that I needed to get out.
I just couldn't keep it in anymore and.
Well, 100%. Yeah, I just, I, I don't know, I
think that there's so much fakeness out in the world and we
do have a responsibility a little bit when we're in the
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public eye at all, you know, to be as real as we can possibly
be. I think so.
And. And to the benefit of your own
family too. Like, yeah, yeah, I think it's
not a bad thing. Yeah, totally.
So here we are, and. I think we're just taking away
that vulnerability is a superpower at the end of the
day, and to not be afraid of it,whatever that means to you, it
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doesn't mean you have to do likesomething super, super brave.
But maybe the take away today issomething like lean into that
thing that you're afraid of and maybe take a step forward and
being vulnerable about it with yourself first and foremost, and
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then maybe your best friend or your partner or your mom or your
dad or whoever is in your life that you feel comfortable
talking to. Yeah.
I wish that I would have. I wish I would have been a
little bit more honest with people in real time as opposed
to having to after be honest with people about what had been
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happening in my life. Because had I done that, you
know, it would have been different.
It would have expedited the process and not maybe gotten to
the place that it it got to in the end.
And I would have been able to have a different path.
So I think that if you're going through something and you're
feeling alone, you need to change that.
You need to find your people, your community, whether it's
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online or a friend or family member.
But yeah, not everybody has a friend or family member that
they feel safe talking to. So there are so many resources
out there, and you'll be shockedat how many people are living.
You know, as much as your experience is unique, it's not
unique. There's a lot of people in the
world that have gone through identical things and they're out
there. Yeah.
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So yeah, reach out, whatever that means to you.
We will post some links in the bio for the podcast episode and
on our Instagram page so that hopefully it helps somebody who
might need it. And don't forget that
vulnerability is truly resilience and a.
Superpower, you've got this. OK.
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Thank you for listening. All right guys, have a great day
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