October 30, 2025 • 29 mins
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Speaker 5 (02:35):
It was Monday, April twentieth. It was windy in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
We're working a day watch out of Bunco Detail.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
My partner's Ben Ramero. The boss is Captain McCauley. My
name is Friday. We're on the way out from the
office and it was ten thirty.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Five am when we got to the Holy Gospel Tabernacle.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
Pastor's house.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Look at that palm dre Yeah, windstorms.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
Or I didn't do it any good.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I was really bored last night. Woke me up a
couple of times, and not me.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
I slept like a baby. What you say?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
The name here was Olson.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
We uh got it right here? Uh, Reverend Andreules doesn't
seem to be anybody at home. I don't try it again.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Muh we sit on the phoney, neither be here at
the church.
Speaker 6 (03:32):
Where's that?
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Just driving the corner faces on the south spring.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
Not a very wealthy looking neighborhood.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
There must be the church up there.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
H m uh, sure couldn't stand the code of pain.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Grounds are well kept?
Speaker 5 (03:52):
Anything nice flower bed under that?
Speaker 6 (03:55):
Giant fancies tried some in the backyard last year, too bad?
What do you mean giant snails slashed him right off
with their ruts.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Yes, that must be him up at the front of that.
I close the door.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Oh oh yeah, but uh, excuse me, sir, Oh didn't
see him.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
He's the Reverend Olson.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
Yes, can I help him?
Speaker 5 (04:30):
My name is Friday, Reverend. I talked to you on
the phone.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Oh yes, Soergean.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
And this is my partner, Sergeant Romeo.
Speaker 7 (04:34):
How do you do I had any sergeant maw, that's
Romero ravend Oh excuse me, Romero, didn't expect you so soon.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
A little busy here fixing the pulpit.
Speaker 6 (04:44):
It happened last Sunday.
Speaker 8 (04:46):
What's that really?
Speaker 7 (04:47):
I guess I got carried away with my sermon. Quite
a commotion. Oh leaned forward in the pulpit. This whole
section here just splintered and broke right off, ruined my
whole sermon.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Well, I can finish this up later.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
You have a share their uses?
Speaker 6 (05:01):
No anything?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, well.
Speaker 7 (05:09):
There it is, sergeant, their names, descriptions, and missus Tom
Herbert that's the name they used.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
Anyway, would you mind briefing us on what happened?
Speaker 5 (05:18):
Reverend? When did you first meet this couple?
Speaker 7 (05:20):
It came to us a little over a month ago.
Didn't have any reason to be suspicious. Mister Herbert showed
me some fine references. I didn't think it was necessary
to check them. What kind of approach today? He just
could get dinner.
Speaker 8 (05:31):
Well.
Speaker 7 (05:31):
The first visit, Missus Herbert did most of the talking.
She told me she and her husband wanted to write
a history of our church. Was supposed to be part
of an historical book on all the churches in the county.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Naturally, I felt a little flattered about it. Did this
mister and Missus Herbert make any demands for money.
Speaker 7 (05:47):
Or to write about your church and me, oh no,
you know there was no money involved at first. They
said all they wanted was our cooperation and doing some
of the research work, you know, looking up dates, names,
things like that. Uh, I see seemed very sincere. Both
of 'em didn't drink smoke. They worked very hard during
research writing. I don't know why they had to change.
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Would have been nice having history written about our church.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Yes, sir, Well, when did they first bring up the
idea of money.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
Well, mister Herbert gave me one day and showed me
this letter. It was supposed to be from the people
who were going to publish the history of our church.
But I said, well, because of certain business reasons, the
whole thing was off.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
They couldn't publish the book. Mister Herbert acted very sorry.
Did he leave that letter with you, rever?
Speaker 7 (06:32):
No, he took it with him. I felt badly about
the whole thing. They're doing all that work and then
the book not being published.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
We did the Herbert's broke the idea of you and
the church putting up the money to print the book.
Speaker 7 (06:43):
Well, no, not exactly, but I guess they gave me
the idea of how do you mean They suggested that
I talk it over the church board, so I did.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Hm.
Speaker 7 (06:52):
We all agreed it to be ashamed to give up
the idea of the book after so much work had
gone into it.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
Is that when you agreed to fin instoper.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
Well the ford and I did.
Speaker 7 (07:00):
Yes, it's all my fault, though I helped to persuade them.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
The money came out of church funds?
Speaker 7 (07:05):
Is any As a matter of fact, it didn't. We
only have a small operating fund, so you can see
where a small church congregation isn't wealthy.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
And where did the money come from?
Speaker 7 (07:16):
Well, for one thing, the ladies of the author Society
put on a Sunday afternoon Ham dinner.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
It made some money.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
And then the Herbert suggested we helped sell advertising to
pay part of the cost, so we did that too.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
It still wasn't enough.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Well, exactly how much did you turn over to the herbits.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
Eight hundred and four dollars and sixty one cents. I
had to borrow three hundred and fifty from the bank
to make it. But it all have to be paid
back people who paid for their advertising too. It all
has to come out of our pocket. The terrible thing.
Anything needs terrible. I don't know what I'm.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Going to do.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
I hate that's congregation for it.
Speaker 7 (07:51):
Their offerings have always been so generous, and they're not
wealthy either're just working people.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Well, when was the last time that you heard from
missmissing with Herbert got a wee could go?
Speaker 7 (07:59):
I guess yes, it was last Monday. I got anxious
and called them at the hotel.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
It's on South.
Speaker 8 (08:05):
Grand I can give you the address.
Speaker 7 (08:07):
They told me when the books would be ready and
said it would be on Tuesday.
Speaker 6 (08:11):
Uh, it's the last I heard 'em.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
No forwarding the address. No, whether a place that you
think we might find.
Speaker 7 (08:16):
Now, I'm sorry, just don't have any ideas. So hard
to believe anyone would do such a thing to us. Yes, see,
then if we could have the address of the hotel, yes,
sir rightest would come with me and have.
Speaker 8 (08:28):
It over the house.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
I Uh, mister and Liz Herbert have a card?
Speaker 9 (08:31):
You know?
Speaker 7 (08:32):
Really, I don't think so. If I did, I never
saw it. And what I'm gonna tell the congregations eight
hundred dollars.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
It's a lot of money to our people.
Speaker 7 (08:41):
Yes, tell me, sergeant, I don't mean to be uncharitable.
But mister and missus Herbert, they have a criminal record.
Have they done this sort of thing before?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Well, their descriptions seem to fit a couple that we've
been looking for. They've been working at churches in this
area on and off for a couple of years.
Speaker 7 (08:57):
You know, can't understand why they do which of things.
It's almost like rubbing a poor box.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Yes, since they've done that too.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Eleven fifteen am we went back to the city Hall
and pulled the package on the suspects.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Mister and missus Tom Herbert.
Speaker 8 (09:12):
They were a veteran man.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
And wife's confidence team who'd worked the Los Angeles area
and other large cities around the country. Their specialty seemed
to be swindling churches and clergymen. Over a period of
seventeen years, they piled up a long record involving frauds
and various bunco games, but they don't have been brought
to trial. Once the case had been dismissed for lack
of sufficient evidence.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
Eleven thirty five am.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
We took mug shots of mister and missus Herbert out
to the Reverend Olson and he identified them. We checked
the hotel on South Grand where they'd been staying no lead.
We got out a local broadcast and an APV on them.
Together with a sheriff's office, we sent a special bulletin
about the Herbert to the pastures of the different churches
in the city and county.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
From the list of.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Names on the Mama Sheep, we began checking out all
the known friends and relatives of the suspects. One of
them was a Clyde Harris, proprietor of a physical culture school.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
Out in the Wiltshire district. One pm two d To
drove out to talk to him.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Which way jump right down the street the blue and
white signs. Oh yeah, vena school of physical culture. I
can make you an all American girls, Clyde Harris managers.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
Mm.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Looks like the office here.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
You know we're supposed to meet him in the gym
that's next door home.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah yeah, no, clare no, yeh, back this way.
Speaker 8 (10:45):
I guess.
Speaker 10 (10:48):
Why did you go to all you the me?
Speaker 6 (10:54):
Why? Oh?
Speaker 10 (11:04):
Please hold it a minute now. I'm sorry, this is Hollison.
You're doing it wrong. You're telling us it's all out
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of position.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Thanks, good boy, you're white hair?
Speaker 6 (11:27):
Yes? Did you want something?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Police office s hairs like talking Oh yeah, chirty, you
hold on a half minute shirt right here? Apprentice practice,
Would you take over here for a few minutes I
talk to these gentlemen ladies.
Speaker 10 (11:37):
Francis is going to count for you for a while.
You go right ahead with a lesson. I'll be back
in a few minutes.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
Back here, because it won't take too long with us, No,
just a few minutes. Try to interrupt your lessons. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I just don't want to have the ladies thinking I neglected,
and they take good money for these exercises.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
Yem here, Yeah, I have a chase.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
Well, you said something about Tom Herbert on.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
The phone charge He's what's it all about? Well, we
understand that you're a friend of the Herbert's, mister Harris.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
Yeah. I knew Tom and Dorris a couple of years back.
I haven't seen much of them lately. When was the
last time he's so seen? Less be two three months? Anyway,
anything wrong?
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Well do you know where we could locate him?
Speaker 6 (12:19):
I don't know for sure. Last time I saw him
they were at the hotel downtown on top Grand I
think you know soth grand Light your people. You have
no idea where they moved where they left their You know,
I didn't even know they've moved. They haven't phoned their
contacted at all in the last month or so. No,
not a word. They're not in a jam again. I
think we'd like chalco on that.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
So woul Would you know of any of their favorite
spots around town? Eating, drinking wies?
Speaker 6 (12:40):
No, I don't think I could say. They got around
quite a bit. He take with some of their other
friends around town and captain to Thompson Mike Runyon.
Speaker 8 (12:47):
What was that last one?
Speaker 6 (12:48):
Mike Runying, very good friend of the Herberts. Then no,
I don't recall the name.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
But how could we get in touch with this run
you in?
Speaker 8 (12:54):
Mister Harris?
Speaker 6 (12:55):
We've got a phone. Come out of the office, was calling.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
If you like I thanks very much.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
I'll get Mike on the line for you. Introduce you.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Oh would you mind talking to him?
Speaker 8 (13:09):
Harris?
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Still tell him it's for us. Just ask if he
knows where the Herberts are? Would miya?
Speaker 6 (13:13):
All right? No answer? They mean hello, Mike fight Harris, Mike, Yeah,
how are you fine? Fine? Yeah? A long time they Mike?
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Get any idea where Tom and Dorath Herbert.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
Are is they're right, how about that if you don't, No,
that's okay, it's not important. Sure, I think Mike make
it soon. Huh right, Mike, Yeah, Now he doesn't know
where the Herberts is staying. Saw him a week to
go out in Hollywood though, because they're doing fine. What
do you mean? Ran angel outside that big church on
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Hollywood Boulevard and they told Mike all about it. They
really got religion, that's so. Yeah, they're even writing a
book about the church.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
We called back Mike Runyon, the friend of the suspect,
and he gave us the location of the church where
he'd seen mister and missus Herbert. Then and I drove
out there and talked to the pastor, Reverend John Kenworth.
We showed him the Herbert's mug shots and he identified them.
They were going under the name of Williams. He supposedly
they were writing a book about the history of the church.
To cover publishing expenses and research, more than one thousand
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dollars from Perry's contributions had been placed in a separate
account at a local bank. Reverend Kenworth told us that
it was a special joint account. Then the Herberts had
access to us. Ben got on the phone and called
the bank.
Speaker 8 (14:32):
Are that yes?
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Uh huh yeah, all right, thank you. Well they say
the two of 'em run in the bank, yes that
they didn't draw out everything?
Speaker 6 (14:43):
How much they leave three dollars.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Then and night checked with the teller at the bank
and showed him mug shots of mister and miss Herbert.
He identified them as the couple who withdrawne the church funds.
They went to the hotel address the suspects had given
to Reverend Kenworth. They checked out two days before the
search went on. Two weeks past we ran out of leeds.
No further reports on the couple.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
A month went by.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Two the May twenty third, we got an ATD from
San Francisco and a couple answering the Herbert's description. They
were still working at church Angle. During the next six
weeks we got reports on them from Washington, Oregon, Nevada,
and northern California. In Sacramento, they apparently changed their mo
for the first time. They started selling phony health insurance policies.
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They promised everything, and they had a lot of takers.
One of the big selling points was the clause was
promised full protection if anybody in the family could come
down with polio. From Sacramento, they headed south to Oplands,
then the Fresno. On July tenth, the complaints started to
come in and we knew the Herberts had moved into
Los Angeles with their health insurance rackets. One of the
first victims was the Carl Fogerty. They lived out in
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the West Lake area.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
There's a policy again his charge.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
They picked Chelsea's church worth the papers printed on. When
did they tell you this, mister PHOBECI you remember, uh,
three weeks ago? I guess uh never would have known
it was phony. If my boy hadn't come down with polio?
Speaker 8 (16:09):
How's he getting him out?
Speaker 2 (16:10):
A two good right leg? He started bad there? Not
as if we don't have enough graef. We got to
lose out on this bone insurance.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
You matter if I take a look.
Speaker 8 (16:19):
At that policy, say no, go ahead, here you are
you know any fame?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I said, Joe Apex health insurance fame pony address?
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Uh huh would you remember the may little soldier?
Speaker 8 (16:32):
This?
Speaker 6 (16:32):
Do you think I think I would?
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Yuh?
Speaker 6 (16:36):
I wonder if you'd d looking through these pictures, mister
Fobde not all.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Look at them carefully if you will.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
M Yeah, this one, that's him. I I remember who's
the Name's Herbert any game him to.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
Tell you this policy? Was he alone? Yeah, he was
in a real good set.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
How much did you pay for these, sir?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Let me see forty three.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
Dollars and shimard cents.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I remember that cause I cashed him a war bond
and I took five dollars out of the rent money
outside of this policy. Yeah, you have no other papers
that the man might have given you, you know, you
know it's but this business card here he gave me that.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Let's see here the same name eight pix Helstonshire, you know.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
So, thank you very much, mister Fogerdy. We hope your
little boy goes out of it all right.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Yeah, thanks, so here's our cards.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Eh, anything we can do.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Give it a call?
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Sure, okay, but family checked you off, you know.
Speaker 8 (17:36):
I think so.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
Do you have a phone here, mister fogerd Oh yeah,
s IgE, uh straight back in the.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Hall there, help shop. Thank you very much?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Two five seven two yeah, I think yeah, I f
id Joe Friday, A name's fresh in the book.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
West seventh. Yeah, okay, right, thinks man anything doing. You
know it's pretty good.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Office.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Got a call from a printing shop on West Seventh.
The manager's got an order. Reason, I'm too sure about.
How do you mean it's for a bachelor letterhead, stationary
business currents. Yeah, for who Apex Health Insurance.
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Speaker 2 (19:58):
When it's the July tenth, four pm, Ben and I
drove back downtown to the printing shop on West seventh
Street and talked with the manager.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
He told us that the order for stationary and business.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Cards for the Apex Health Insurance Company had been placed
two days before. He said he becomes suspicious after reading
a story in one of the newspapers about the polio
insurance fraud. He also said that the customer who had
ordered this stuff was a woman. She told him that
she would call and pick up the order on Friday.
Speaker 8 (20:22):
We showed the.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
Manager a handful of mug shops.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
He could give us only a part light identification of
missus Herbert's picture. We called the office, told them we
were going on steakhouse and arranged for a release.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Ben and I spent the rest of Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
And all day Thursday and Friday in the rear of
the print shop where we could keep an eye on
everyone entering the place. Friday, six pm, no sign of
the Herbert, not a trace. Saturday the same, no sign
of either one of them. Monday, more waiting.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
The suspects stayed away tunesday, three thirty pm. I went
out the rear.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Door, went down the street and got some cigarettes, and
then I headed back for the print shop.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Then keep the coat on. Joe just called the office
for a release. Why what's doing? Applyed to Harris, friend
of the Herbert, guy who runs the physical country school.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Yeah, what about him?
Speaker 6 (21:12):
He called the office one to talk to it. I
phoned him out there at the gym.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
He told me he was out drinking last night and
he met missus Herbert at the bar. She was alone.
To tell you where to find her the Greenwood apartment
six o three.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
When the release men arrived.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Then and I left and drove across town to the
Greenwood Apartments on Taylor Street, with a three story frame
buildings set back from the sidewalk, behind the sloping lawns
lined with.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
A box heads.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
He checked the names on the mailboxes.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
The name TJ.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Bronson was listed for apartment six o three. He rang,
but there was no answer.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Let's try to manage, you know. Yeah, hms, nice place.
Insurance racket must be playing off on him.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Here we go, Yeah, I help you.
Speaker 8 (22:05):
That's so.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
Here's the manager here.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
That's right, that is my name I help you release elf.
Speaker 8 (22:10):
She's miss thatcher.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
We're trying to locate the people in six o three.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
Oh, that crazy woman and try to blow up the
place last night.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Why what do you mean, missus Bronson?
Speaker 8 (22:18):
She came in and drunk about two am.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
No sense at all. My three am.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
The folksman six oh one call me and they said
the smell gas. I went up there and founder in
the kitchen at I would like a light gas.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Though turned on, going full blast.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
It's crazy.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
Where's her?
Speaker 8 (22:33):
Husbler couldn't say, chasing around again?
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Anythink hadn't been home in a week.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Lucky I got to that gas before. I'm a little match,
you see.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
It happened about three this morning. That's right, crazy woman,
she'll be all right.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Where's she now?
Speaker 6 (22:46):
Do you know?
Speaker 5 (22:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Connie Hospital.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
Four twenty five pm.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Then I got in touch with the office Marne first
stake out at.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
The Herbert Department.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
We called homicide and checked on the attempt side report.
They informed us that the woman had been taken to
the Psychic Award County Hospital. Who went over to the hospital,
checked at the main desk and identified ourselves. The marathon
duty had as shown to the ward where the suspect
of Doris Herbert was configned.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
She was a half way attractive woman in her.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Late forties, short, weak blond hair, dark eyes with deep
circles under them. She turned and looked up as we
stopped beside her beck.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Excuse me, your Doris Herbert?
Speaker 8 (23:24):
H h, he's your name, Doris Herbert?
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Here you want police officers would like to talk to
you for a minute.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
Oh, I knew you'd be around. I don't care, ma'am.
I'm sick of that.
Speaker 9 (23:33):
I'm sick of the whole rotten thing.
Speaker 8 (23:34):
I knew you'd come.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Let's just tall a few questions, ma'am, it won't take long.
Speaker 8 (23:38):
Go ahead, I don't care.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
You find any end you me and your husband.
Speaker 8 (23:41):
He's not my husband, not anymore of him.
Speaker 9 (23:43):
And that cheap girl behind my back sneaking around twenty
years has been happy and he shows me away.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Where's your husband? Norman's Hermy was her, He's been with
her awake.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
He doesn't even care.
Speaker 9 (23:54):
I'm here twenty years a early caid. He found me
cudding something. I taught him everything.
Speaker 8 (24:01):
He knows this girl that your husband was.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Where does she stay to?
Speaker 8 (24:04):
You know?
Speaker 6 (24:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (24:04):
An apartment turned Franks and around the corny Franks.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
And La.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Close. When you knew it was us?
Speaker 8 (24:11):
What's this girl's name, Mary Daily?
Speaker 6 (24:14):
I saw it with him. Tell me something, Yeah, yeah
it was us, Tommy me insurance.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Yeah, we knew it was you.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
I didn't like it.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
Wasn't a queen name.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
Tom's idea.
Speaker 8 (24:26):
He made money, but I didn't like it.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
It wasn't queen.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
All right, Miss Herbert, we'll talk to you later.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
No, Ma, I'm gonna die.
Speaker 9 (24:34):
I'm gonna die and forget all about it.
Speaker 8 (24:36):
Let's be sure and get him, won't you. Tom.
Speaker 9 (24:40):
I told him everything he knows.
Speaker 8 (24:41):
Get him. You're sure about the address, Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 9 (24:46):
Tell me something, Hm, why do you have to do
it to me? Showing me a wayling taking that cheap girl?
Speaker 6 (24:53):
Why do you do it to me?
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Oh? You want to have an idea?
Speaker 6 (24:55):
Hu.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
He taught him everything he knows.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Pers And before we left the hospital, we made arrangements
to have Doris Herbert transferred to the prison. Ward five PM,
we drove out to the apartment house at Franklin and
Lawrel and checked with the landlady.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
She told us that Tom Herbert's girlfriend, Marie Daily, had
checked out of her apartment the day before. She said
the Daily Girl had a middle aged man with her.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
We showed the landlady Herbert's mug shot and she identified
him as that man. She had no forwarding address on her,
but she did remember the name of the express truck
that called to pick up the Daily Girl's baggage. We
checked with the express company and found that the trunks
had been taken to the Locky air terminal. We started
calling the airline six thirty pm. We finally got a
report that a man answering Tom Herbert's description at book
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passage for two on a flight to Mexico City. The
plane was scheduled to leave at eight thirty five that night.
Then and I drove out to the airport and went
on steakhouse. Eight fifteen pm. We waited eight twenty No
sign of them, uns of the airliners mainliners line six
thirty nine shop Jenizer att met.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Me a city getting a little late. Huh, they're day
twenty four.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
They're telling your clothes.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Going in the bar.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Jill takes a little Yeah, let's say them. Let's go.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
Not hard to sproad. What's the matter with a girl
that's pretty good?
Speaker 6 (26:19):
I come on vern Water.
Speaker 8 (26:21):
I'm right, I'll go on. Yeah, haven't got much time.
We don't want to miss that plane.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Oh miss you, Tom Herberts.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
Yes, what is it?
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Police officers like to talk to you downtowns.
Speaker 8 (26:32):
Does a minute that's wants? Is some kind of mistake?
Speaker 6 (26:33):
No mistake, Herbert.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
We talked to your wife. Let's go.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
There's a time where do they want nothing?
Speaker 8 (26:37):
It's a mistake.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Now, I look, officers, I don't know what this is
all about, but we have to get a plane. The
age thirty five. I can't go downtown with you? Can
we talk it over here?
Speaker 8 (26:45):
I'm sure we can straighten this out.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Your wife copped out, Herbert. Now let's make it easy.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
Huh.
Speaker 8 (26:49):
Come on, lady, what you're talking about?
Speaker 10 (26:51):
Town?
Speaker 6 (26:51):
New life? What you mean?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I told you it's a mistake.
Speaker 8 (26:54):
Not be reasonable?
Speaker 5 (26:55):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (26:55):
Oh sir.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
All we want to do is take a trip with them,
planning on this new clothes, new luggage here as you had.
Of course, outside the mistake.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
You can't do this. We've planned on it. We've been
waiting a long time for that.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Yes, the silver wait one, let's come.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
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Speaker 5 (27:27):
In a moment the results of that trial. Now here
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Speaker 5 (02:35):
It was Monday, April twentieth. It was windy in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
We're working a day watch out of Bunco Detail.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
My partner's Ben Ramero. The boss is Captain McCauley. My
name is Friday. We're on the way out from the
office and it was ten thirty.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Five am when we got to the Holy Gospel Tabernacle.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
Pastor's house.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Look at that palm dre Yeah, windstorms.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
Or I didn't do it any good.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I was really bored last night. Woke me up a
couple of times, and not me.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
I slept like a baby. What you say?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
The name here was Olson.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
We uh got it right here? Uh, Reverend Andreules doesn't
seem to be anybody at home. I don't try it again.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Muh we sit on the phoney, neither be here at
the church.
Speaker 6 (03:32):
Where's that?
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Just driving the corner faces on the south spring.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
Not a very wealthy looking neighborhood.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
There must be the church up there.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
H m uh, sure couldn't stand the code of pain.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Grounds are well kept?
Speaker 5 (03:52):
Anything nice flower bed under that?
Speaker 6 (03:55):
Giant fancies tried some in the backyard last year, too bad?
What do you mean giant snails slashed him right off
with their ruts.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Yes, that must be him up at the front of that.
I close the door.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Oh oh yeah, but uh, excuse me, sir, Oh didn't
see him.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
He's the Reverend Olson.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
Yes, can I help him?
Speaker 5 (04:30):
My name is Friday, Reverend. I talked to you on
the phone.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Oh yes, Soergean.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
And this is my partner, Sergeant Romeo.
Speaker 7 (04:34):
How do you do I had any sergeant maw, that's
Romero ravend Oh excuse me, Romero, didn't expect you so soon.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
A little busy here fixing the pulpit.
Speaker 6 (04:44):
It happened last Sunday.
Speaker 8 (04:46):
What's that really?
Speaker 7 (04:47):
I guess I got carried away with my sermon. Quite
a commotion. Oh leaned forward in the pulpit. This whole
section here just splintered and broke right off, ruined my
whole sermon.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Well, I can finish this up later.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
You have a share their uses?
Speaker 6 (05:01):
No anything?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, well.
Speaker 7 (05:09):
There it is, sergeant, their names, descriptions, and missus Tom
Herbert that's the name they used.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
Anyway, would you mind briefing us on what happened?
Speaker 5 (05:18):
Reverend? When did you first meet this couple?
Speaker 7 (05:20):
It came to us a little over a month ago.
Didn't have any reason to be suspicious. Mister Herbert showed
me some fine references. I didn't think it was necessary
to check them. What kind of approach today? He just
could get dinner.
Speaker 8 (05:31):
Well.
Speaker 7 (05:31):
The first visit, Missus Herbert did most of the talking.
She told me she and her husband wanted to write
a history of our church. Was supposed to be part
of an historical book on all the churches in the county.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Naturally, I felt a little flattered about it. Did this
mister and Missus Herbert make any demands for money.
Speaker 7 (05:47):
Or to write about your church and me, oh no,
you know there was no money involved at first. They
said all they wanted was our cooperation and doing some
of the research work, you know, looking up dates, names,
things like that. Uh, I see seemed very sincere. Both
of 'em didn't drink smoke. They worked very hard during
research writing. I don't know why they had to change.
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Would have been nice having history written about our church.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Yes, sir, Well, when did they first bring up the
idea of money.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
Well, mister Herbert gave me one day and showed me
this letter. It was supposed to be from the people
who were going to publish the history of our church.
But I said, well, because of certain business reasons, the
whole thing was off.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
They couldn't publish the book. Mister Herbert acted very sorry.
Did he leave that letter with you, rever?
Speaker 7 (06:32):
No, he took it with him. I felt badly about
the whole thing. They're doing all that work and then
the book not being published.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
We did the Herbert's broke the idea of you and
the church putting up the money to print the book.
Speaker 7 (06:43):
Well, no, not exactly, but I guess they gave me
the idea of how do you mean They suggested that
I talk it over the church board, so I did.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Hm.
Speaker 7 (06:52):
We all agreed it to be ashamed to give up
the idea of the book after so much work had
gone into it.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
Is that when you agreed to fin instoper.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
Well the ford and I did.
Speaker 7 (07:00):
Yes, it's all my fault, though I helped to persuade them.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
The money came out of church funds?
Speaker 7 (07:05):
Is any As a matter of fact, it didn't. We
only have a small operating fund, so you can see
where a small church congregation isn't wealthy.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
And where did the money come from?
Speaker 7 (07:16):
Well, for one thing, the ladies of the author Society
put on a Sunday afternoon Ham dinner.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
It made some money.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
And then the Herbert suggested we helped sell advertising to
pay part of the cost, so we did that too.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
It still wasn't enough.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Well, exactly how much did you turn over to the herbits.
Speaker 7 (07:30):
Eight hundred and four dollars and sixty one cents. I
had to borrow three hundred and fifty from the bank
to make it. But it all have to be paid
back people who paid for their advertising too. It all
has to come out of our pocket. The terrible thing.
Anything needs terrible. I don't know what I'm.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Going to do.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
I hate that's congregation for it.
Speaker 7 (07:51):
Their offerings have always been so generous, and they're not
wealthy either're just working people.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Well, when was the last time that you heard from
missmissing with Herbert got a wee could go?
Speaker 7 (07:59):
I guess yes, it was last Monday. I got anxious
and called them at the hotel.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
It's on South.
Speaker 8 (08:05):
Grand I can give you the address.
Speaker 7 (08:07):
They told me when the books would be ready and
said it would be on Tuesday.
Speaker 6 (08:11):
Uh, it's the last I heard 'em.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
No forwarding the address. No, whether a place that you
think we might find.
Speaker 7 (08:16):
Now, I'm sorry, just don't have any ideas. So hard
to believe anyone would do such a thing to us. Yes, see,
then if we could have the address of the hotel, yes,
sir rightest would come with me and have.
Speaker 8 (08:28):
It over the house.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
I Uh, mister and Liz Herbert have a card?
Speaker 9 (08:31):
You know?
Speaker 7 (08:32):
Really, I don't think so. If I did, I never
saw it. And what I'm gonna tell the congregations eight
hundred dollars.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
It's a lot of money to our people.
Speaker 7 (08:41):
Yes, tell me, sergeant, I don't mean to be uncharitable.
But mister and missus Herbert, they have a criminal record.
Have they done this sort of thing before?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Well, their descriptions seem to fit a couple that we've
been looking for. They've been working at churches in this
area on and off for a couple of years.
Speaker 7 (08:57):
You know, can't understand why they do which of things.
It's almost like rubbing a poor box.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
Yes, since they've done that too.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Eleven fifteen am we went back to the city Hall
and pulled the package on the suspects.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Mister and missus Tom Herbert.
Speaker 8 (09:12):
They were a veteran man.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
And wife's confidence team who'd worked the Los Angeles area
and other large cities around the country. Their specialty seemed
to be swindling churches and clergymen. Over a period of
seventeen years, they piled up a long record involving frauds
and various bunco games, but they don't have been brought
to trial. Once the case had been dismissed for lack
of sufficient evidence.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
Eleven thirty five am.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
We took mug shots of mister and missus Herbert out
to the Reverend Olson and he identified them. We checked
the hotel on South Grand where they'd been staying no lead.
We got out a local broadcast and an APV on them.
Together with a sheriff's office, we sent a special bulletin
about the Herbert to the pastures of the different churches
in the city and county.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
From the list of.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Names on the Mama Sheep, we began checking out all
the known friends and relatives of the suspects. One of
them was a Clyde Harris, proprietor of a physical culture school.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
Out in the Wiltshire district. One pm two d To
drove out to talk to him.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Which way jump right down the street the blue and
white signs. Oh yeah, vena school of physical culture. I
can make you an all American girls, Clyde Harris managers.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
Mm.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Looks like the office here.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
You know we're supposed to meet him in the gym
that's next door home.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah yeah, no, clare no, yeh, back this way.
Speaker 8 (10:45):
I guess.
Speaker 10 (10:48):
Why did you go to all you the me?
Speaker 6 (10:54):
Why? Oh?
Speaker 10 (11:04):
Please hold it a minute now. I'm sorry, this is Hollison.
You're doing it wrong. You're telling us it's all out
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of position.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Thanks, good boy, you're white hair?
Speaker 6 (11:27):
Yes? Did you want something?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Police office s hairs like talking Oh yeah, chirty, you
hold on a half minute shirt right here? Apprentice practice,
Would you take over here for a few minutes I
talk to these gentlemen ladies.
Speaker 10 (11:37):
Francis is going to count for you for a while.
You go right ahead with a lesson. I'll be back
in a few minutes.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
Back here, because it won't take too long with us, No,
just a few minutes. Try to interrupt your lessons. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I just don't want to have the ladies thinking I neglected,
and they take good money for these exercises.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
Yem here, Yeah, I have a chase.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Thank you.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
Well, you said something about Tom Herbert on.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
The phone charge He's what's it all about? Well, we
understand that you're a friend of the Herbert's, mister Harris.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
Yeah. I knew Tom and Dorris a couple of years back.
I haven't seen much of them lately. When was the
last time he's so seen? Less be two three months? Anyway,
anything wrong?
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Well do you know where we could locate him?
Speaker 6 (12:19):
I don't know for sure. Last time I saw him
they were at the hotel downtown on top Grand I
think you know soth grand Light your people. You have
no idea where they moved where they left their You know,
I didn't even know they've moved. They haven't phoned their
contacted at all in the last month or so. No,
not a word. They're not in a jam again. I
think we'd like chalco on that.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
So woul Would you know of any of their favorite
spots around town? Eating, drinking wies?
Speaker 6 (12:40):
No, I don't think I could say. They got around
quite a bit. He take with some of their other
friends around town and captain to Thompson Mike Runyon.
Speaker 8 (12:47):
What was that last one?
Speaker 6 (12:48):
Mike Runying, very good friend of the Herberts. Then no,
I don't recall the name.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
But how could we get in touch with this run
you in?
Speaker 8 (12:54):
Mister Harris?
Speaker 6 (12:55):
We've got a phone. Come out of the office, was calling.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
If you like I thanks very much.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
I'll get Mike on the line for you. Introduce you.
Speaker 5 (13:07):
Oh would you mind talking to him?
Speaker 8 (13:09):
Harris?
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Still tell him it's for us. Just ask if he
knows where the Herberts are? Would miya?
Speaker 6 (13:13):
All right? No answer? They mean hello, Mike fight Harris, Mike, Yeah,
how are you fine? Fine? Yeah? A long time they Mike?
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Get any idea where Tom and Dorath Herbert.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
Are is they're right, how about that if you don't, No,
that's okay, it's not important. Sure, I think Mike make
it soon. Huh right, Mike, Yeah, Now he doesn't know
where the Herberts is staying. Saw him a week to
go out in Hollywood though, because they're doing fine. What
do you mean? Ran angel outside that big church on
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Hollywood Boulevard and they told Mike all about it. They
really got religion, that's so. Yeah, they're even writing a
book about the church.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
We called back Mike Runyon, the friend of the suspect,
and he gave us the location of the church where
he'd seen mister and missus Herbert. Then and I drove
out there and talked to the pastor, Reverend John Kenworth.
We showed him the Herbert's mug shots and he identified them.
They were going under the name of Williams. He supposedly
they were writing a book about the history of the church.
To cover publishing expenses and research, more than one thousand
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dollars from Perry's contributions had been placed in a separate
account at a local bank. Reverend Kenworth told us that
it was a special joint account. Then the Herberts had
access to us. Ben got on the phone and called
the bank.
Speaker 8 (14:32):
Are that yes?
Speaker 6 (14:34):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Uh huh yeah, all right, thank you. Well they say
the two of 'em run in the bank, yes that
they didn't draw out everything?
Speaker 6 (14:43):
How much they leave three dollars.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Then and night checked with the teller at the bank
and showed him mug shots of mister and miss Herbert.
He identified them as the couple who withdrawne the church funds.
They went to the hotel address the suspects had given
to Reverend Kenworth. They checked out two days before the
search went on. Two weeks past we ran out of leeds.
No further reports on the couple.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
A month went by.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Two the May twenty third, we got an ATD from
San Francisco and a couple answering the Herbert's description. They
were still working at church Angle. During the next six
weeks we got reports on them from Washington, Oregon, Nevada,
and northern California. In Sacramento, they apparently changed their mo
for the first time. They started selling phony health insurance policies.
(15:31):
They promised everything, and they had a lot of takers.
One of the big selling points was the clause was
promised full protection if anybody in the family could come
down with polio. From Sacramento, they headed south to Oplands,
then the Fresno. On July tenth, the complaints started to
come in and we knew the Herberts had moved into
Los Angeles with their health insurance rackets. One of the
first victims was the Carl Fogerty. They lived out in
(15:53):
the West Lake area.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
There's a policy again his charge.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
They picked Chelsea's church worth the papers printed on. When
did they tell you this, mister PHOBECI you remember, uh,
three weeks ago? I guess uh never would have known
it was phony. If my boy hadn't come down with polio?
Speaker 8 (16:09):
How's he getting him out?
Speaker 2 (16:10):
A two good right leg? He started bad there? Not
as if we don't have enough graef. We got to
lose out on this bone insurance.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
You matter if I take a look.
Speaker 8 (16:19):
At that policy, say no, go ahead, here you are
you know any fame?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I said, Joe Apex health insurance fame pony address?
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Uh huh would you remember the may little soldier?
Speaker 8 (16:32):
This?
Speaker 6 (16:32):
Do you think I think I would?
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Yuh?
Speaker 6 (16:36):
I wonder if you'd d looking through these pictures, mister
Fobde not all.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Look at them carefully if you will.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
M Yeah, this one, that's him. I I remember who's
the Name's Herbert any game him to.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
Tell you this policy? Was he alone? Yeah, he was
in a real good set.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
How much did you pay for these, sir?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Let me see forty three.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
Dollars and shimard cents.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I remember that cause I cashed him a war bond
and I took five dollars out of the rent money
outside of this policy. Yeah, you have no other papers
that the man might have given you, you know, you
know it's but this business card here he gave me that.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Let's see here the same name eight pix Helstonshire, you know.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
So, thank you very much, mister Fogerdy. We hope your
little boy goes out of it all right.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Yeah, thanks, so here's our cards.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Eh, anything we can do.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Give it a call?
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Sure, okay, but family checked you off, you know.
Speaker 8 (17:36):
I think so.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
Do you have a phone here, mister fogerd Oh yeah,
s IgE, uh straight back in the.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Hall there, help shop. Thank you very much?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Two five seven two yeah, I think yeah, I f
id Joe Friday, A name's fresh in the book.
Speaker 7 (18:03):
West seventh. Yeah, okay, right, thinks man anything doing. You
know it's pretty good.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Office.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Got a call from a printing shop on West Seventh.
The manager's got an order. Reason, I'm too sure about.
How do you mean it's for a bachelor letterhead, stationary
business currents. Yeah, for who Apex Health Insurance.
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Speaker 2 (19:58):
When it's the July tenth, four pm, Ben and I
drove back downtown to the printing shop on West seventh
Street and talked with the manager.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
He told us that the order for stationary and business.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Cards for the Apex Health Insurance Company had been placed
two days before. He said he becomes suspicious after reading
a story in one of the newspapers about the polio
insurance fraud. He also said that the customer who had
ordered this stuff was a woman. She told him that
she would call and pick up the order on Friday.
Speaker 8 (20:22):
We showed the.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
Manager a handful of mug shops.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
He could give us only a part light identification of
missus Herbert's picture. We called the office, told them we
were going on steakhouse and arranged for a release.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Ben and I spent the rest of Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
And all day Thursday and Friday in the rear of
the print shop where we could keep an eye on
everyone entering the place. Friday, six pm, no sign of
the Herbert, not a trace. Saturday the same, no sign
of either one of them. Monday, more waiting.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
The suspects stayed away tunesday, three thirty pm. I went
out the rear.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Door, went down the street and got some cigarettes, and
then I headed back for the print shop.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Then keep the coat on. Joe just called the office
for a release. Why what's doing? Applyed to Harris, friend
of the Herbert, guy who runs the physical country school.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Yeah, what about him?
Speaker 6 (21:12):
He called the office one to talk to it. I
phoned him out there at the gym.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
He told me he was out drinking last night and
he met missus Herbert at the bar. She was alone.
To tell you where to find her the Greenwood apartment
six o three.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
When the release men arrived.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Then and I left and drove across town to the
Greenwood Apartments on Taylor Street, with a three story frame
buildings set back from the sidewalk, behind the sloping lawns
lined with.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
A box heads.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
He checked the names on the mailboxes.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
The name TJ.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Bronson was listed for apartment six o three. He rang,
but there was no answer.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Let's try to manage, you know. Yeah, hms, nice place.
Insurance racket must be playing off on him.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Here we go, Yeah, I help you.
Speaker 8 (22:05):
That's so.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
Here's the manager here.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
That's right, that is my name I help you release elf.
Speaker 8 (22:10):
She's miss thatcher.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
We're trying to locate the people in six o three.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
Oh, that crazy woman and try to blow up the
place last night.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Why what do you mean, missus Bronson?
Speaker 8 (22:18):
She came in and drunk about two am.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
No sense at all. My three am.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
The folksman six oh one call me and they said
the smell gas. I went up there and founder in
the kitchen at I would like a light gas.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Though turned on, going full blast.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
It's crazy.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
Where's her?
Speaker 8 (22:33):
Husbler couldn't say, chasing around again?
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Anythink hadn't been home in a week.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Lucky I got to that gas before. I'm a little match,
you see.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
It happened about three this morning. That's right, crazy woman,
she'll be all right.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Where's she now?
Speaker 6 (22:46):
Do you know?
Speaker 5 (22:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Connie Hospital.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
Four twenty five pm.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Then I got in touch with the office Marne first
stake out at.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
The Herbert Department.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
We called homicide and checked on the attempt side report.
They informed us that the woman had been taken to
the Psychic Award County Hospital. Who went over to the hospital,
checked at the main desk and identified ourselves. The marathon
duty had as shown to the ward where the suspect
of Doris Herbert was configned.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
She was a half way attractive woman in her.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Late forties, short, weak blond hair, dark eyes with deep
circles under them. She turned and looked up as we
stopped beside her beck.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Excuse me, your Doris Herbert?
Speaker 8 (23:24):
H h, he's your name, Doris Herbert?
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Here you want police officers would like to talk to
you for a minute.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
Oh, I knew you'd be around. I don't care, ma'am.
I'm sick of that.
Speaker 9 (23:33):
I'm sick of the whole rotten thing.
Speaker 8 (23:34):
I knew you'd come.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
Let's just tall a few questions, ma'am, it won't take long.
Speaker 8 (23:38):
Go ahead, I don't care.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
You find any end you me and your husband.
Speaker 8 (23:41):
He's not my husband, not anymore of him.
Speaker 9 (23:43):
And that cheap girl behind my back sneaking around twenty
years has been happy and he shows me away.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Where's your husband? Norman's Hermy was her, He's been with
her awake.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
He doesn't even care.
Speaker 9 (23:54):
I'm here twenty years a early caid. He found me
cudding something. I taught him everything.
Speaker 8 (24:01):
He knows this girl that your husband was.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Where does she stay to?
Speaker 8 (24:04):
You know?
Speaker 6 (24:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (24:04):
An apartment turned Franks and around the corny Franks.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
And La.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Close. When you knew it was us?
Speaker 8 (24:11):
What's this girl's name, Mary Daily?
Speaker 6 (24:14):
I saw it with him. Tell me something, Yeah, yeah
it was us, Tommy me insurance.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
Yeah, we knew it was you.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
I didn't like it.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
Wasn't a queen name.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
Tom's idea.
Speaker 8 (24:26):
He made money, but I didn't like it.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
It wasn't queen.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
All right, Miss Herbert, we'll talk to you later.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
No, Ma, I'm gonna die.
Speaker 9 (24:34):
I'm gonna die and forget all about it.
Speaker 8 (24:36):
Let's be sure and get him, won't you. Tom.
Speaker 9 (24:40):
I told him everything he knows.
Speaker 8 (24:41):
Get him. You're sure about the address, Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 9 (24:46):
Tell me something, Hm, why do you have to do
it to me? Showing me a wayling taking that cheap girl?
Speaker 6 (24:53):
Why do you do it to me?
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Oh? You want to have an idea?
Speaker 6 (24:55):
Hu.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
He taught him everything he knows.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Pers And before we left the hospital, we made arrangements
to have Doris Herbert transferred to the prison. Ward five PM,
we drove out to the apartment house at Franklin and
Lawrel and checked with the landlady.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
She told us that Tom Herbert's girlfriend, Marie Daily, had
checked out of her apartment the day before. She said
the Daily Girl had a middle aged man with her.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
We showed the landlady Herbert's mug shot and she identified
him as that man. She had no forwarding address on her,
but she did remember the name of the express truck
that called to pick up the Daily Girl's baggage. We
checked with the express company and found that the trunks
had been taken to the Locky air terminal. We started
calling the airline six thirty pm. We finally got a
report that a man answering Tom Herbert's description at book
(25:40):
passage for two on a flight to Mexico City. The
plane was scheduled to leave at eight thirty five that night.
Then and I drove out to the airport and went
on steakhouse. Eight fifteen pm. We waited eight twenty No
sign of them, uns of the airliners mainliners line six
thirty nine shop Jenizer att met.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Me a city getting a little late. Huh, they're day
twenty four.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
They're telling your clothes.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Going in the bar.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Jill takes a little Yeah, let's say them. Let's go.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
Not hard to sproad. What's the matter with a girl
that's pretty good?
Speaker 6 (26:19):
I come on vern Water.
Speaker 8 (26:21):
I'm right, I'll go on. Yeah, haven't got much time.
We don't want to miss that plane.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Oh miss you, Tom Herberts.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
Yes, what is it?
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Police officers like to talk to you downtowns.
Speaker 8 (26:32):
Does a minute that's wants? Is some kind of mistake?
Speaker 6 (26:33):
No mistake, Herbert.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
We talked to your wife. Let's go.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
There's a time where do they want nothing?
Speaker 8 (26:37):
It's a mistake.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Now, I look, officers, I don't know what this is
all about, but we have to get a plane. The
age thirty five. I can't go downtown with you? Can
we talk it over here?
Speaker 8 (26:45):
I'm sure we can straighten this out.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Your wife copped out, Herbert. Now let's make it easy.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
Huh.
Speaker 8 (26:49):
Come on, lady, what you're talking about?
Speaker 10 (26:51):
Town?
Speaker 6 (26:51):
New life? What you mean?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I told you it's a mistake.
Speaker 8 (26:54):
Not be reasonable?
Speaker 5 (26:55):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (26:55):
Oh sir.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
All we want to do is take a trip with them,
planning on this new clothes, new luggage here as you had.
Of course, outside the mistake.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
You can't do this. We've planned on it. We've been
waiting a long time for that.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Yes, the silver wait one, let's come.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
The story you have just heard was true, only the
names were changed to protect the NC. On October twenty eighth,
trial was held in Superior Court, Department of eighty eighth
City and County of Los Angeles, State of California.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
In a moment the results of that trial. Now here
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