July 21, 2025 • 57 mins
Denise Napolitano is a Spinal Flow Practitioner, Kinesiologist, and PSYCH-K® Facilitator passionate about the body's innate ability to heal. Her lifelong journey of self-discovery and curiosity led her to combine powerful modalities that work with both the body and mind. Through Spinal Flow, she helps release stored stress via the nervous system. With Kinesiology, she uncovers the emotional and energetic roots of discomfort. And through PSYCH-K®, she supports clients in reprogramming limiting beliefs. Denise’s integrative approach helps people move beyond their blocks and into a healthier, more joyful life.
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(00:00):
Welcome to the High Vibration Reset, the podcast for women
ready to step into their next level of success without
burnout, overthinking, or ever feeling undervalued.
I'm your host, Kira Conlan, and for the past 18 years, I've been
helping women to take full ownership of their growth, their
(00:21):
voice, their work, and their leadership.
And not just to succeed personally, but to create real
impact in their communities, their workplaces, and in the
world. So in today's episode, I checked
the beautiful Denise Napolitano.Denise is a spinal flow
practitioner, A kinesiologist, and a psyche facilitator.
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Now, Denise's work helps people to get in touch with the body's
natural healing abilities by releasing stored stress and
physical blockages, as well as accessing the subconscious mind
and reprogramming limiting beliefs.
And this work helps both healingand personal growth.
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Denise is a beautiful, soft soulwhose presence immediately makes
you feel safe and grounded. And in this conversation, we
talk about a shift in perspective and how subconscious
beliefs can block our healing abilities.
Also, how do you know it's time to make a change and what to do
about it? Make sure you're following the
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podcast on wherever you get yourpodcasts.
And I hope you enjoy this conversation.
So good morning. Good evening, Denise.
Good evening to me, Good morningto you.
Thank you so much for, um, agreeing to have this
conversation. I'm really excited to hear more
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about you and more about the fabulous work that you do.
So can we kick off by you just giving us a little bit of
background about who you are, where you are, and how you came
to do this wonderful work to help people.
Sure. OK so I'm located in Melbourne,
Australia and I've been here forthe last 11 years but I'm
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Italian. I was actually born here in
Australia but and my parents came in the 60s in the 68 I I
believe as migrants. And when I was 4 I went back
with my mum to Italy. So they decided to divide, you
know, their parts. And I lived this situation as A
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and I always felt a very lucky girl because even though I had
my dad very far, my father very far, I was a special little girl
because I was put on a plane very, you know, early in age.
Had two houses. Yeah, with the tag, you know,
where I was going and, you know,like like a parcel.
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So it was, I felt special as a little girl.
And I have to say Australia always, every time I came,
really gifted me with beautiful experiences.
So it was very unusual in the 80s to see, you know, a little
girl going on a plane to the other side of the world.
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Yeah. So even though I was born here,
I'm Italian, Italian parents andI grew up in, in Italy, I
married, I had two girls and then at the age of 40, I moved
here. So easy to know my age now.
I gave all the details and yeah,I, what can I say?
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I always, well, I, I suppose in common with lots of other
people, but growing up, I grew up very shy, very insecure.
And yeah, I just felt not a little bit confused.
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I would say lots of things didn't make sense.
And even the adults to me, in myeyes, they, they didn't make
sense. They looked confused as well.
And to a little girl where I waslooking for, you know, someone
or you were to to have comfort and to feel secure.
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I I couldn't find that, you know, because even my mom and my
stepfather, they were not not the ones that could help me.
They had these stories, you know, So I was like a lost
little soul. Yeah.
And making lots of inside questions.
I didn't have anyone to talk to.And so I think, you know,
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growing up, I was observing all these these world that didn't
make sense. And only with time, I sort of
matured the understanding that Ihad to find my my answers.
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I have to say that I had the big, big luck to find my
husband, who was a, a huge rock for me.
And I found that secure place that I was looking for.
And, and that gave me the opportunity to have that, yeah,
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secure place where to start and breathe and sort of find myself
again. So, yeah, this is what I can
say. And then growing I well, you
see, before I said that moving from Italy to Australia,
Australia always gave me beautiful experiences because I,
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I was like divided between two countries.
And even though they had lots ofin common, but they are also
very different. And so every time I came here, I
sort of had to look and see things from a different
perspective. A very little representative
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example is when I came here whenI was 14 to see my dad.
I stayed six months with with mydad's family.
And because I was always so shy and insecure in primary school,
I was misunderstood and instead of understanding that I was just
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shy and not able. Because in Italy they put you in
front of all the class at the black.
How do you say English at the blackboard?
Yeah, and we. Have in front of everyone to to
give answers to the questions and I would, you know, just
freeze. I wasn't able to do that.
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So I was a little bit confused and instead of understanding
that that was shyness, I was labeled as not able, not smart
enough. And I believed that long period
of my life. But at 14, as I said, when I
came here to Australia and I wasput in high school and because
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here the program is so much behind, I was all of a sudden a
genius in class. I know meth like anyone.
I was just a genius and a trick,but I had knowledge history of
geography and things that you know, and and I started
questioning how can it be that now I'm so smart?
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I wasn't before brilliant. So yeah, this really helped me
understand that life is just a mental perspective.
And so when I came back that I was 15 and I started high school
in Italy, I was completely different.
The world around me still saw meas the old Denise perceived me,
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you know, my family and my friends in the old ways.
But because at 15 then you start, luckily for me, you start
the age is a little bit different from from Australia.
So you start high school, I changed all my environment and
that allowed me to have the space to to grow and to mold
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myself and to stop leaving my old a part or some parts of my
old self. But I so.
A new start A. New start.
Loud. Yeah, yeah.
So that was one of those very big important moments where I
sort of started understanding that I could be someone
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different. That's really interesting.
And and I think you're one of the fortunate ones in
understanding that at an early age.
I mean, what did you say? You said you understood that
life was about your perspective.Yes, and also what I was very
lucky to observe is because whatit was happening to me, I start
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thinking well this is happening to other people as well.
So I started observing people and with their flaws, you know,
even my stepfather and, and trying to understand.
Well, you know, I wonder what's his story?
He's acting why he's acting because he must have a story
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behind. And so I I'm not sure if it was
the experiences or my character as well.
I've never been brought to judge.
I've never been a judgmental person, but more on an observer
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in what it was. Yeah, the behaviour.
And I think from the that experience, the age of 14,
coming here for six months and coming back really helped me to,
you know, enhance this disability.
So I easily now connect to people because this is what I do
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better. I'm able to see beyond, yeah,
the anger. How they see themselves.
Yeah, yeah, because there is always another story behind.
Yeah, so. Exactly.
And, and that's really important, isn't it?
That and, and we'll talk about this, I'm sure, Denise, because
it's, it's the essence of the work that you do.
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It's this story we create about ourselves over our lives isn't
always useful and it's sometimesgetting in the way of our
fulfillment, our happiness and, and anything else we want in
life. So after high school then, did
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you set out on a particular career path or what happened
next? Well, initially I worked in
Milan for many, many, many years.
I won. I was one of those many taking
the underground and I used to do40 minutes of underground
because I I worked on the other side of the city and the
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underground was my quiet moment.It was like the moment where I
used to sit, read and think and rest and I always found myself
there thinking, God, I'm here onthe underground again.
I should do something and I should change my life.
I felt stuck at the time and I knew that I wanted more and I
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was doing exactly the same things every day, getting down
in the underground at the same point, seeing the same people I
could. I learned all the wardrobe of
the people, the same people thatI I was meeting, you know,
because then we get we are very how do you say, you know, we we
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are stuck in our habits and we, and you know, me myself, I would
stop at the same height of the train and this meeting, seeing
the same people and you think, oh, gosh, how long this is going
to go? Well, yeah.
Did you know that apparently up to 95% of our day is habitual?
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Yeah. So as you say, even stopping in
the same place, thinking the same thoughts at the same time
on that train, it's incredible. And yes, there is a time where
we need to interrupt that, don'twe?
That's right. So I I was lucky enough to be in
AI worked for for many years in a yeah incorporate.
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I was with lots of women. It was an office with 30 two
women and I loved it. It was good.
I I, I could get along easily with everyone.
I was the only one. And my boss couldn't believe it.
I said, how do you do that? But yeah, it it one of the
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beautiful things he organized was a inside course for personal
growth. And I remember that this person
was talking about the values of life and what motivates you in
life and everything. And I remember that I really set
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the intention of changing my life and to really, I just
didn't know how, but I knew thatI had to find the right way.
I had to find the body. You know, what was a passion for
me? I remember being in a positive
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way, a little bit envious about my brother.
Since the age of 17, he was drawn to pots and he became a
chef. And he just, you know, he just
so young already. He knows what he loves and
everything. And so I said, no, I don't care.
Somehow I'll find my way. And so I think that is when I
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decided that I had to, yeah, change and to put the seed for
Australia again as a family. And that was much, much more
difficult to do because when youmove on your own, it's easier.
But when you have to move in inside a family, it's it's
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completely different. Because I knew that once again,
Australia was going to bring me yeah, new opportunity.
Deeper insights, yeah. Yeah, and this is what happened,
you know, so life went on and I moved here and it was a big, big
challenge. The first 2-3 years.
We really struggled as a family to settle in my.
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Yeah, I had, you know, family, you know, difficulties.
My girls had to settle also in school, new language and
everything. And then trying to help.
Yeah. Yeah, no, sorry.
It's a good point that I just want to, you know, mention
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there. And that is you knew you needed
to change, but you didn't know how, but you took action anyway.
And that's where I see a lot of people get stuck.
So they don't know how, so they do nothing.
And obviously, this is part of our jobs as facilitators and
helping people through life. But it is that to, you know,
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really important that we can wait and wait for the how, but
it might never come until until we take some sort of action.
So yours was quite dramatic moving across the world.
But yeah, but you already had that base there and that, you
know, connections formed already.
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But yeah, I think that's really important just to stress that
that we need to take some sort of action before the clarity
comes. But Denise, moving on then to
the type of work that you do now.
So you do a variety of modalities or there's what tools
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that you use to help people. Do you want to talk to us a
little bit more about that? Yeah.
So then in the attempt of helping a family member that was
struggling at the time as imam, I didn't have those tools.
So I started spending lots of time and looking for ways
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outside the classic mainstream modalities to, to help this
person that was struggling. And we spent lots of times
exploring meditation, tapping and any technique that would
release stress. And it was a beautiful journey
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because we both learnt a lot. We had beautiful breakthroughs
and experiences. And, and then when I bumped into
what I called my first love, which is spinal floor, the first
technique that I learned, I didn't want just to bring that
person to do that modality. I wanted to learn it.
I, I was just, you know, so taken by it.
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So yes, spinal flow is the firsttechnique and he's hands on it
works with the nervous system. So I have the person on the
massage table, I switch on the nervous system and the body
start releasing layers of of stress, the blockages, and it's
just so beautiful. So instead of working on the
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body in a mechanical way, in adjusting the spine, you
actually let the body door do its magic.
And it is beautiful because in some cases, so everyone
processes in a different way, but in some cases you've got
little muscle spasms, you've gottwitches, or you've got real
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movements and waves. Some of the people are more
still, but they can feel inside little electric connections and
things happening. So yeah, that was my first lab
and my first, let's say, modality that allowed me to
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start working with people. And so I left my old self that
was working here in Australia and started working as a medical
receptionist. So for a few years I was that
that also allowed me to have a an insight of what is the
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medical system and how it works.So it was, it was a good
learning for me. Yeah, I don't want to expand too
much, but surely I understood that I don't belong to that
world and I prefer other avenues.
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And then I realized, because yousee, spinal cell works.
Yes, it's hands on you work withthe body, but and the body
changes, but it works not only on a physical level but also on
an energetical level. OK, so it realigns not only the
spine but also all your energy systems.
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So it's pure magic. If you think about it, the body
it. Is the physical and the
energetic? Yes.
And for the, for the people, I always say that for me, spinal
fluid's a bit like having the chance to fall in love with your
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body again, with who you are again because you reconnect, you
feel your body. We we create that deep
relaxation that we should have when we sleep and allow our body
not only to recharge but also toheal.
Because you see, our body has this ability to heal, but not
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only for little problems like the little cut, but also for
major problems I'm I'm sure. And we've.
Forgotten that, yeah, we've forgotten that.
And we have to recover that. So that's the, the beauty of of
these techniques that you can rediscover that magic.
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But then going on, because I don't come from a medical
background, I felt that I neededmore content.
And then I bumped into kinesiology and, and that was a
beautiful journey as well. Yeah.
And there I learned a lot about Chinese medicine, traditional
Chinese medicines and the energysystems within the body and how
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to rebalance them. And it was, it was very, it was
amazing. And I think with kinesiology,
you'll never stop learning, really.
There's always a new workshop. There's always, you know,
something new to learn just. Just remind us, Denise, what
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exactly is kinesiology? Kinesiology.
OK, Sometimes I give for granted, yeah.
I think lots of people probably know it, but you know, just to
really explain. What it is, it's interesting
after I go back to what I wantedto say now.
So kinesiology is a beautiful modality that with uses muscle
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testing. So a biofeedback, it uses a
muscle to have informations of how of what is happening inside
the body. So if there are any imbalances,
so people come with a problem that can be either physical or
emotional, and then you tap intothe body, you use a muscle as a
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muscle indicator and the muscle will give you those answers that
you're looking for. So where is the problem in the
body to which emotion is connected?
And then the body also will tellyou how you want to diffuse it,
which is the best way? And there are so many different
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ways. There's music, there's there's
tuning forks, gold statements, acupressure points, you name it.
You can use anything. What's your what's your favorite
way? OK, so I'm a big believer that
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we don't need any tools OK, so lots of kinesiologists they
travel and they go around to do their balances with a luggage
because they've got they've got their cars, they've got they
flower essence, they've got so many tools.
My belief instead is that we have everything that we need to
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heal. So I ask.
For. For me, my hands, myself and the
person, you know, whatever is soI can move and travel and I
don't need anything else apart from me and the person, whatever
is offering to me. So this is me.
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You know, kinesiology is beautiful.
You can do it in so many different ways.
And you can retail it for who you are.
Yeah. So I'm I want to know more.
So you say use your hands. So how do you ask a question and
get your answer? So that's with the muscle
testing. So you usually a kinesiologist
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uses the Brachio radialis, whichis just the muscle that is
holding the forearm. Yeah.
So that's because it's convenient as a position.
So if I was there with you, I would be asking you to hold in
front of you your arm, and I would kindle.
So pinch in this case, we could use all the arm if you would be
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standing in front of me and whenI pinch the belly of your
muscles. So to hold your arm, you would
be holding the anterior deltoid in this case.
Yeah. So if I pinch the belly of the
anterior deltoid, the signal of stress goes to the brain.
OK. And the brain says, OK, there's
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something going on. Let go, let go.
And so your arm goes, you know, goes weak.
You can't hold it anymore. So this is your body.
Your arm is detecting stress, physical stress, but it can do
that also on a larger scale on emotion.
We can test that in a different way.
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I could ask you, OK, now, Kira, just think of something that you
don't like, OK? And your muscle would go weak,
OK? Think of something that you
like, and your muscle would staystrong, OK?
And then I would say, Kira, let me think of something that I
don't like. And I think usually it's always
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the same thing. It's my dog's poos that my
daughter doesn't pick up from the garden.
No, you've reminded me of something I need to do after
this. And your muscle will come weak
again. But I had the stressful thought
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and your muscle became weak. Why is that is because thought
is energy, not only for yourselfbut for me.
And because we are antennas, OK,we are like radio stations, we
are emitting and receiving information and you received my
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stress. OK.
So understanding these concepts is so important.
So a kinesiology, what it does with the intention
intentionally, it's going to test different areas of the body
and of the energy systems and the muscle will tell me where
there are the imbalances, where there are the blockages.
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OK, so there is this talk of exchange of inflammation.
Yeah, I hope this is makes sense.
It does. And this is what you were doing
on our session. So I was fortunate enough to
have a session with you and you would ask me questions and that
was what you were doing. You were receiving the the
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message yourself and testing yourself.
Yes. So in distance is beautiful
because you can do it as well. So I can surrogate for you or
yeah, you, you know, for example.
Fascinating. Yeah, Yeah.
Use people to surrogate for other people.
So in distance this is possible as well.
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Wonderful. Yeah.
So that's so you mentioned spinal flow kinesiology and then
there's another modality that you use.
Psyche, the one that we've done.So Psyche is my last love.
Well, it's a it's a lie because I'm already studying something
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else, but it's my official life.We're never, we're never done.
Yeah, that's right. And Psyche is is beautiful.
So it's beautiful because while kinesiology looks for the areas
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of imbalances and understands the link between the emotion
that has been stored, the story takes out the story, OK.
You can even understand that emotion, how long it has been
there, when you know it happenedand everything.
Psyche doesn't really bother about the story.
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It's more directed, immediate. So it's always, it always works
with muscle testing, but it works.
It has the person, the person isyour guide and is telling you
what it wants to work on. So you start with the an emotion
or an issue that you have and you diffuse within minutes with
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a little procedure balance of that stress.
And while the person is processing, sometimes more
information come out, but that'snot necessary.
The important is to diffuse and rebalance that emotion.
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What I really like of Sai K is that when I start a journey with
someone about with Sai K, but not only when I have people here
coming here and usually they come for mainly spinal flow.
So it's just interesting becausepeople consciously come because
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they want to heal. But then I need psyche to tap in
the subconscious to see what is their belief on healing in their
subconscious because they believe that they can heal.
OK, so with psyche, I can dive in straight in the subconscious
mind and see Yeah. And and tap into their into
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their beliefs. So they might think, you know,
lots of people think that healing is a long process.
It's not possible for them or oreven that they don't deserve
healing. It's just impressive what you
can find sometimes there. So it is a very quick way to
change your perception of life. Before we were talking about how
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I used to perceive life as a child.
If I had psyche at the time, I could have helped myself,
changing my belief on myself, changing the idea that I wasn't
smart enough. And I could.
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I could, for example, because primary school was very
stressful for me, because I feltmisunderstood.
So I could change the perceptionof of how I lived in school.
So it's like a you can't change your life.
You know, always say that I can't change your mother-in-law.
I can't change your teenage son,but I can change how you
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perceive them. OK.
So you'll see your mother-in-lawwith different eyes.
You'll see them with no stress. You know, you even might find a
way to like them. Yeah, well, I'm very fortunate
with my mother-in-law. I love her.
I love her a lot. But I had had three teenage sons
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at a time. And I totally understand that,
you know, in looking at things differently.
And one of the things I always encourage is, you know, not to
focus on all of their flaws, butyou know, to shift into
gratitude is is my saving grace.Would have been even better to
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change some beliefs and perceptions if I had you at
that. Time.
Yeah, that that's beautiful. And I think something that
really I I need to say is that for me, Psyche also allows me
the opportunity, gives me the opportunity to explain to people
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how we work, how our mind works.Because the moment that I
learned that I felt so free. I all of a sudden felt that I
could rewrite myself completely and I felt free from whatever
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believe I had. I still had to work on it, but I
knew I could work on that. You knew it was possible.
And do you think, Denise, you know, obviously is that our our
belief in the possibility that prevents healing for some people
because there are people who go to a healing modality and
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everything is transformed. And then for other people, they
say that that didn't work for me, of course.
So do you believe it's. Yeah.
Certainty, yes. Sometimes even one of the first
balances that we do, they teach in the psyche is to balance
psyche works for me because sometimes we, you know, we have
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something inside of us that doesn't allow, you know, the
process to, to happen. So it's fundamental to tap into
subconscious and to check the belief on healing or the belief
on that certain modality. And other than that belief, is
there or are there any other beliefs that you see showing up
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regularly with people that are preventing them from healing?
And whether that's physical healing or emotional healing,
you know, are there a couple of usual ones?
Well, when there are deep traumas that made people feel
unsafe, so yeah, these are the ones that really and you can see
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because of working with the physical body and touching the
body. So in in spinal flow, we really
need to scan the back, the spineand you feel it from top to the
bottom. And whoever had traumas related
to safety, security and not being loved, the foundation of
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our body usually is stuck. OK.
So those emotions are more than likely stuck in, in the base of
our body. So in the sacrum area.
So usually the back also has a huge blockages because the
emotions start there, but then the secondary.
So this is the primary blockage that creates secondary blockages
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in in our base, in our foundation.
And yeah, the the body talks about these traumas and
everything and safety is, is huge and is one of the the ones
that take more time and it takesit has more layers to it.
Let's say it that way. Yeah.
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Yeah. And the emotional blockages, are
they always related to the subconscious?
So is there that mind body connection always or can there
be physical blockages that just form?
Yeah, actually there are physical blockages.
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I mean, if someone you know has an accident and you have a
whiplash or you might have also an emotional trauma, you've got
frightened and everything, but sometimes it's more physical.
You go to the gym, you don't do that exercise properly and is
it's a more physical. And you can release.
Yes. So, yeah, you've got physical
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blockages. So the blockages that we, you
have to think in a body can be physical, emotional and also
chemicals. Yeah, chemical blockages on the
body. The body stores a lot of
chemicals. And unfortunately in this world,
we, we are really bombarded by chemicals.
Chemicals are in the water, in the air, in the food that we
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eat. It's everywhere.
And when I scan the spine of, ofpeople, I I can feel those
layers of chemical, chemical layers that the bodies are
storing. And so, yeah, it takes time, but
those are actually the first onethat go the physical and the
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chemicals. And then the emotionals are the
one that, as you mentioned before, are then stored in the
subconscious and it takes, you know, longer and it's a little
bit. Yeah, yeah.
And you know, if somebody is feeling that kind of disconnect,
you know, feeling maybe even depressed or very stressed out,
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like where, where should people start?
What's your advice to somebody who's feeling?
A bit lost, yeah. So if people feel that way, it's
because they are a little bit too taken by the outside world.
OK, so they sucked in by this madness that is.
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That is life. I always think of people that
feel in that way of a song, of aline, of a song of an Italian
singer, that it says that life I'm translating from Italian.
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Life is like a dance, a balance on the madness.
So life is madness, Yeah. And we need to find the way to,
to dance on this madness. So if yeah, if we feel in that
way, we we need to slow down. We need to have even those few
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little moments, find a, you know, moment for ourselves and
to slow down and to breathe and find connection to ourselves
because that's the truth. You know, the outside world is
sucking ourselves. It's but and we lost connection
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with who we are. So if we don't do that, we are
lost. So breathing and slowing down
even just for a few moments, that's a big start.
And then there are lots of otherways, but that's probably the
first one that I would suggest. Yeah, no.
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And it's a great suggestion. And actually Jen, who I
interviewed in the last podcast was saying there are many paths
up the mountain. So we spoke about that in terms
of, you know, there are different guides, there are
different people that come into your life as teachers at
different times. So, you know, I try and
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encourage people to get. Get in touch with their
intuition and to feel where theyshould go next.
So like your experience, all of these modalities attracted you
at a different time and you movetowards them and embrace them.
So that's it. We just have to stop and slow
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long enough to be able to say, OK, where should I go next?
Who, who is going to guide me? And sometimes we don't need a
who, we need to go inside as well.
And, and, and maybe we already know which we actually do
already know if we can quieten their minds long enough to to
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listen. And that could be breath work,
it could be psyche, it could be some other modality that just
gives us that first step. Yeah, that's right.
How about you? How about me?
How about you? Yeah, how about you in terms of
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your habits? So if you have bad days, low
days, days, maybe you don't havethem anymore, but days where you
know, you just kind of slip intothe old mentality.
What are your habits? What are your high vibration
habits? No, no, I still have them.
Remember that. I still have two teenage
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daughters and a husband and a dog.
Yes, like everyone, I have my moments as well.
And yeah, for me, it's really important the evening and the
morning. In the morning when I wake up,
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so I wake up with the lights. I don't need the alarm clock.
And I have that half an hour where I really tune to myself
and I have my routine. I do have energy healing.
And so I clean myself energetically and I check that I
don't have any attachments. And in the evening, I like to do
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a little bit of breathing. I do a little bit of meditation
and I, I think, I don't know, I don't think luck exists, but as
a habit you use the word luck. I think you know, my path led me
to do what I love. So even if I have those
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difficult moments, you know, even just staying here and
talking to you and having a session with the client for me
is not a job, you know, And sometimes you, you see that they
had a breakthrough and that fills my heart.
Or I go for a walk with my dog and I can allow myself because I
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work from home to do it when I want.
I can go to the shops when I organize to do it.
I can hang the stuff on the on the line.
And I really like it. I just enjoy every moment,
everything I do. I don't allow myself to complain
about anything. I just, you know, I think it's
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the mindset that really allows you to like, even thinks that
they're not liking. Like the dog, Like looking after
the dog and picking up after thedog.
Yeah, picking up the I love my dog.
Picking up the pool, Yes. I'm going to be I'm going to be
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chanting that in 1/2 an hour when I'm doing that in my
garden. I love my dog.
And we go back to perspective. You see?
It's all the metal perspective. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I remember a different dog, actually.
I had a beautiful golden retriever called Kobe, and I
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think it was a year he got out of the Garden and he was missing
for a couple of hours. And Facebook is useful for some
things because we put a notice on Facebook and we found him so.
But I remember that day walking around the town looking for him
and I remember saying, I will never complain about dog hair
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again. I will never complain about dog
hair again. Please come back.
But, you know, so it is. It's that shift in perspective
that, you know, we spend our days focused on the negative,
focused and all the things that aren't perfect.
But if we could just spend a little bit longer looking at the
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beauty surrounds us, the the thelove that's all around us, you
know, and the joy that's there for the taking.
Yeah. And we really make a difference
because I think that life is like a card game.
And this is something that I talk with my people as well
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because when you change, you know, people want sometimes
they're complaining, you know, oh, my husband does this.
Oh, my mother-in-law does that. My son like that.
Is that OK? Look, we can't change anyone.
The only person that we really can change, we can't change the
world. What is happening around the
world? We can't change the world in
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which we live, but we can changeourselves.
So that's the most important thing.
And I, I can't see, I can tell putting the attention on, on the
beautiful things that are happening and the big movement
and the changes, you know, even the attention that people have
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more and more increasingly on the holistic environment is
telling us that we are having a major shift in the world.
And I would like to add these last, when was it last November,
I was gifted so with with a special water.
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I don't know if you're aware, but on the planet there are some
waters that they are light waters, there are special
waters. And so there are waters that are
usually they are in particular sacred location of the world and
people go in pilgrimage and so-called miracles happened.
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Now with quantum science, we know that they are not really
miracles, but it's because in those places, those waters, they
have a very high vibration and the person is there really
willing and wanting with a clearintention to heal.
So combining the high vibration with a clear intention on
healing, the miracle happens. It's not really a miracle, it's
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just quantum science. OK so it is beautiful and there
are many different light waters around the world.
Now I was gifted with this waterthat is called cosmic water.
So if anyone is interested they just need to go and Google
cosmic water and this water comes from the cosmos from
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outside. So it was like downloaded from
outside and this friend of mine because it comes from Italy.
OK, so she came with the bottle of water and she was all happy
and she said, you know, Denise, about something beautiful to
gift you. And when she gave it to me, I
thought was light water and I got so excited I was how
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beautiful it is. It's not easy to have this
water. So this is just to say that
there is so much happening up there and if we put our own
attention on the negativity, we are going to feed and grow that
OK. Instead, if we put our attention
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on what is beautiful happening, then instead we really in that
card game that I was mentioning before, we are playing the cards
for a positive result. And you know, and this is on a
biggest a little scale, like playing the cards for our life
or in a big yeah. Yeah.
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And like, that is exactly what you say when you raise your
vibration, you're impacting the cards are falling for other
people around you and you're influencing them.
You know, and again, I always feel we have to mention that we
are fortunate enough not to be in areas of the world that are
in very low vibration. But I don't think, and this is
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my belief that other people wouldn't hold.
But, you know, dwelling too longon that doesn't help.
You know, I think we need to do whatever we can do, whatever we
can manage help in whatever way,but then we need to try and
raise ourselves up again becauseI believe that that vibration
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has a positive impact. And as you say, possibly in the
quantum field, my good intentions are impacting the
wider world. Absolutely like the Pebble if
yeah. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
So what is sparking joy for you right now?
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Where do you go or what do you do that really brings joy?
OK, so as I said before, I'm in a very lucky moment of my life.
I do, you know what I love in myown terms, in my own time.
And yeah, my focus at the momentis to keep on growing and
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understanding how we work because you see, yes, it's
beautiful people come here and Ifacilitate for them and I help
them. But I really am a really big
believe in the fact that we should learn to be
self-sufficient. So we shouldn't be rely on
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anyone to, you know, go to someone and say please heal me.
Yeah, that's, you know, OK, we are helping each other for a
while, but ideally everyone should be working on
self-sufficiency. So this is my primary focus at
the moment. So even before I said, I
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mentioned that that is typical of of holistic healers, you
know, that we never stop learning and we always looking
for other ways to, to heal and you know, quicker and faster and
more efficiently. And I was looking to some
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information a few months ago about this school in Mexico for
kids. And they teach these kids to
read and write blindfolded. Yeah.
I was just, you know, blown away.
So within one or two sessions, kids can develop that mind,
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sight and see, and they can play, talk, play soccer
blindfolded. So they switch on those extra
senses that they actually reallyhave have it on those senses
that we switch off growing up because this world tells us, how
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do you say programs us to believe that we don't hang.
So my journey, and I don't know how long it will take is to
regain those ability with which we are born.
So they are innate in US and that kids have because that's
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our true self. So we are so limited with this
body, with these five senses. This is not how we should be.
And the beautiful part is that these are kids especially
they've noticed in kids that they have learning difficulties
or yeah, they, they have behavioral problems.
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They, they improve massively their condition, they become
more heart centered, more emotionally balanced and they
become smarter. So I would love one day, who
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knows, but to be able to sort ofunderstand how to recover that
so that everyone could go there and you know, and reconnect with
what which really are. And I think also I'd love to
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work with kids because kids are the ones that will change the
future of this world. So I'm not sure how everything
will fold out. This is what I have in mind.
I'm a big dreamer, as I can see.We need big dreamers.
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I have a a mounted picture on mywall over there that says, I
don't know where I'm going from here, but I promise it won't be
boring. There are words from David
Bowie. And so yeah, it doesn't matter
what where our path takes us, aslong as we allow it to excite us
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and challenge us and and we keepmoving.
That's right, that's right. Never give up.
Never give up. Denise, thank you so much for
this conversation which I know will bring a lot of benefit to a
lot of people and and if you arein Australia, make sure you
check her out. What?
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What city are you in in? Melbourne.
Melbourne, so if you're in Melbourne definitely go find her
but if you're anywhere else in the world she does online
sessions. As I mentioned, I have had the
benefit of 1 and I will definitely be doing more, but
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links to Denise are below in theshow notes where you can find
out more about her on her website, flowingsouls.com.
And yeah, it's been wonderful tolearn from you, and I wish you
so much joy and success in the future.
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Thank you. Thank you so much here to you
know, for having me here. It was beautiful to chat with
you. Thank you.
So I hope you enjoyed that as much as I did.
As I mentioned, you can find outmore about Denise on her
website, the link is below in the show notes and you can book
a session with her online wherever you are in the world.
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A great take away from this session for me was the reminder
that you can't change other people and what's happening
around you, but you can change yourself and when you do,
everything around you usually changes too.
So let me leave you with the suggestion that if something in
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your life is not working for youright now, if you have a
difficult relationship or a challenge, maybe with one of
your kids, shift your focus inwards away from the situation
and look at what are your thoughts about the situation.
So if you start with changing your thinking, then control what
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you can control and try your best to let go of the rest.
Now I know it sounds simplistic,but it honestly works.
So thanks again for listening and tuning in.
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And keep committing to keeping your vibration high.
And I wish you a beautiful innerday.
Welcome to the High Vibration Reset, the podcast for women
ready to step into their next level of success without
burnout, overthinking, or ever feeling undervalued.
I'm your host, Kira Conlan, and for the past 18 years, I've been
helping women to take full ownership of their growth, their
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voice, their work, and their leadership.
And not just to succeed personally, but to create real
impact in their communities, their workplaces, and in the
world. So in today's episode, I checked
the beautiful Denise Napolitano.Denise is a spinal flow
practitioner, A kinesiologist, and a psyche facilitator.
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Now, Denise's work helps people to get in touch with the body's
natural healing abilities by releasing stored stress and
physical blockages, as well as accessing the subconscious mind
and reprogramming limiting beliefs.
And this work helps both healingand personal growth.
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Denise is a beautiful, soft soulwhose presence immediately makes
you feel safe and grounded. And in this conversation, we
talk about a shift in perspective and how subconscious
beliefs can block our healing abilities.
Also, how do you know it's time to make a change and what to do
about it? Make sure you're following the
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And I hope you enjoy this conversation.
So good morning. Good evening, Denise.
Good evening to me, Good morningto you.
Thank you so much for, um, agreeing to have this
conversation. I'm really excited to hear more
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about you and more about the fabulous work that you do.
So can we kick off by you just giving us a little bit of
background about who you are, where you are, and how you came
to do this wonderful work to help people.
Sure. OK so I'm located in Melbourne,
Australia and I've been here forthe last 11 years but I'm
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Italian. I was actually born here in
Australia but and my parents came in the 60s in the 68 I I
believe as migrants. And when I was 4 I went back
with my mum to Italy. So they decided to divide, you
know, their parts. And I lived this situation as A
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and I always felt a very lucky girl because even though I had
my dad very far, my father very far, I was a special little girl
because I was put on a plane very, you know, early in age.
Had two houses. Yeah, with the tag, you know,
where I was going and, you know,like like a parcel.
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So it was, I felt special as a little girl.
And I have to say Australia always, every time I came,
really gifted me with beautiful experiences.
So it was very unusual in the 80s to see, you know, a little
girl going on a plane to the other side of the world.
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Yeah. So even though I was born here,
I'm Italian, Italian parents andI grew up in, in Italy, I
married, I had two girls and then at the age of 40, I moved
here. So easy to know my age now.
I gave all the details and yeah,I, what can I say?
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I always, well, I, I suppose in common with lots of other
people, but growing up, I grew up very shy, very insecure.
And yeah, I just felt not a little bit confused.
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I would say lots of things didn't make sense.
And even the adults to me, in myeyes, they, they didn't make
sense. They looked confused as well.
And to a little girl where I waslooking for, you know, someone
or you were to to have comfort and to feel secure.
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I I couldn't find that, you know, because even my mom and my
stepfather, they were not not the ones that could help me.
They had these stories, you know, So I was like a lost
little soul. Yeah.
And making lots of inside questions.
I didn't have anyone to talk to.And so I think, you know,
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growing up, I was observing all these these world that didn't
make sense. And only with time, I sort of
matured the understanding that Ihad to find my my answers.
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I have to say that I had the big, big luck to find my
husband, who was a, a huge rock for me.
And I found that secure place that I was looking for.
And, and that gave me the opportunity to have that, yeah,
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secure place where to start and breathe and sort of find myself
again. So, yeah, this is what I can
say. And then growing I well, you
see, before I said that moving from Italy to Australia,
Australia always gave me beautiful experiences because I,
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I was like divided between two countries.
And even though they had lots ofin common, but they are also
very different. And so every time I came here, I
sort of had to look and see things from a different
perspective. A very little representative
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example is when I came here whenI was 14 to see my dad.
I stayed six months with with mydad's family.
And because I was always so shy and insecure in primary school,
I was misunderstood and instead of understanding that I was just
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shy and not able. Because in Italy they put you in
front of all the class at the black.
How do you say English at the blackboard?
Yeah, and we. Have in front of everyone to to
give answers to the questions and I would, you know, just
freeze. I wasn't able to do that.
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So I was a little bit confused and instead of understanding
that that was shyness, I was labeled as not able, not smart
enough. And I believed that long period
of my life. But at 14, as I said, when I
came here to Australia and I wasput in high school and because
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here the program is so much behind, I was all of a sudden a
genius in class. I know meth like anyone.
I was just a genius and a trick,but I had knowledge history of
geography and things that you know, and and I started
questioning how can it be that now I'm so smart?
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I wasn't before brilliant. So yeah, this really helped me
understand that life is just a mental perspective.
And so when I came back that I was 15 and I started high school
in Italy, I was completely different.
The world around me still saw meas the old Denise perceived me,
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you know, my family and my friends in the old ways.
But because at 15 then you start, luckily for me, you start
the age is a little bit different from from Australia.
So you start high school, I changed all my environment and
that allowed me to have the space to to grow and to mold
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myself and to stop leaving my old a part or some parts of my
old self. But I so.
A new start A. New start.
Loud. Yeah, yeah.
So that was one of those very big important moments where I
sort of started understanding that I could be someone
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different. That's really interesting.
And and I think you're one of the fortunate ones in
understanding that at an early age.
I mean, what did you say? You said you understood that
life was about your perspective.Yes, and also what I was very
lucky to observe is because whatit was happening to me, I start
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thinking well this is happening to other people as well.
So I started observing people and with their flaws, you know,
even my stepfather and, and trying to understand.
Well, you know, I wonder what's his story?
He's acting why he's acting because he must have a story
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behind. And so I I'm not sure if it was
the experiences or my character as well.
I've never been brought to judge.
I've never been a judgmental person, but more on an observer
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in what it was. Yeah, the behaviour.
And I think from the that experience, the age of 14,
coming here for six months and coming back really helped me to,
you know, enhance this disability.
So I easily now connect to people because this is what I do
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better. I'm able to see beyond, yeah,
the anger. How they see themselves.
Yeah, yeah, because there is always another story behind.
Yeah, so. Exactly.
And, and that's really important, isn't it?
That and, and we'll talk about this, I'm sure, Denise, because
it's, it's the essence of the work that you do.
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It's this story we create about ourselves over our lives isn't
always useful and it's sometimesgetting in the way of our
fulfillment, our happiness and, and anything else we want in
life. So after high school then, did
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you set out on a particular career path or what happened
next? Well, initially I worked in
Milan for many, many, many years.
I won. I was one of those many taking
the underground and I used to do40 minutes of underground
because I I worked on the other side of the city and the
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underground was my quiet moment.It was like the moment where I
used to sit, read and think and rest and I always found myself
there thinking, God, I'm here onthe underground again.
I should do something and I should change my life.
I felt stuck at the time and I knew that I wanted more and I
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was doing exactly the same things every day, getting down
in the underground at the same point, seeing the same people I
could. I learned all the wardrobe of
the people, the same people thatI I was meeting, you know,
because then we get we are very how do you say, you know, we we
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are stuck in our habits and we, and you know, me myself, I would
stop at the same height of the train and this meeting, seeing
the same people and you think, oh, gosh, how long this is going
to go? Well, yeah.
Did you know that apparently up to 95% of our day is habitual?
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Yeah. So as you say, even stopping in
the same place, thinking the same thoughts at the same time
on that train, it's incredible. And yes, there is a time where
we need to interrupt that, don'twe?
That's right. So I I was lucky enough to be in
AI worked for for many years in a yeah incorporate.
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I was with lots of women. It was an office with 30 two
women and I loved it. It was good.
I I, I could get along easily with everyone.
I was the only one. And my boss couldn't believe it.
I said, how do you do that? But yeah, it it one of the
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beautiful things he organized was a inside course for personal
growth. And I remember that this person
was talking about the values of life and what motivates you in
life and everything. And I remember that I really set
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the intention of changing my life and to really, I just
didn't know how, but I knew thatI had to find the right way.
I had to find the body. You know, what was a passion for
me? I remember being in a positive
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way, a little bit envious about my brother.
Since the age of 17, he was drawn to pots and he became a
chef. And he just, you know, he just
so young already. He knows what he loves and
everything. And so I said, no, I don't care.
Somehow I'll find my way. And so I think that is when I
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decided that I had to, yeah, change and to put the seed for
Australia again as a family. And that was much, much more
difficult to do because when youmove on your own, it's easier.
But when you have to move in inside a family, it's it's
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completely different. Because I knew that once again,
Australia was going to bring me yeah, new opportunity.
Deeper insights, yeah. Yeah, and this is what happened,
you know, so life went on and I moved here and it was a big, big
challenge. The first 2-3 years.
We really struggled as a family to settle in my.
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Yeah, I had, you know, family, you know, difficulties.
My girls had to settle also in school, new language and
everything. And then trying to help.
Yeah. Yeah, no, sorry.
It's a good point that I just want to, you know, mention
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there. And that is you knew you needed
to change, but you didn't know how, but you took action anyway.
And that's where I see a lot of people get stuck.
So they don't know how, so they do nothing.
And obviously, this is part of our jobs as facilitators and
helping people through life. But it is that to, you know,
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really important that we can wait and wait for the how, but
it might never come until until we take some sort of action.
So yours was quite dramatic moving across the world.
But yeah, but you already had that base there and that, you
know, connections formed already.
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But yeah, I think that's really important just to stress that
that we need to take some sort of action before the clarity
comes. But Denise, moving on then to
the type of work that you do now.
So you do a variety of modalities or there's what tools
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that you use to help people. Do you want to talk to us a
little bit more about that? Yeah.
So then in the attempt of helping a family member that was
struggling at the time as imam, I didn't have those tools.
So I started spending lots of time and looking for ways
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outside the classic mainstream modalities to, to help this
person that was struggling. And we spent lots of times
exploring meditation, tapping and any technique that would
release stress. And it was a beautiful journey
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because we both learnt a lot. We had beautiful breakthroughs
and experiences. And, and then when I bumped into
what I called my first love, which is spinal floor, the first
technique that I learned, I didn't want just to bring that
person to do that modality. I wanted to learn it.
I, I was just, you know, so taken by it.
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So yes, spinal flow is the firsttechnique and he's hands on it
works with the nervous system. So I have the person on the
massage table, I switch on the nervous system and the body
start releasing layers of of stress, the blockages, and it's
just so beautiful. So instead of working on the
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body in a mechanical way, in adjusting the spine, you
actually let the body door do its magic.
And it is beautiful because in some cases, so everyone
processes in a different way, but in some cases you've got
little muscle spasms, you've gottwitches, or you've got real
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movements and waves. Some of the people are more
still, but they can feel inside little electric connections and
things happening. So yeah, that was my first lab
and my first, let's say, modality that allowed me to
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start working with people. And so I left my old self that
was working here in Australia and started working as a medical
receptionist. So for a few years I was that
that also allowed me to have a an insight of what is the
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medical system and how it works.So it was, it was a good
learning for me. Yeah, I don't want to expand too
much, but surely I understood that I don't belong to that
world and I prefer other avenues.
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And then I realized, because yousee, spinal cell works.
Yes, it's hands on you work withthe body, but and the body
changes, but it works not only on a physical level but also on
an energetical level. OK, so it realigns not only the
spine but also all your energy systems.
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So it's pure magic. If you think about it, the body
it. Is the physical and the
energetic? Yes.
And for the, for the people, I always say that for me, spinal
fluid's a bit like having the chance to fall in love with your
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body again, with who you are again because you reconnect, you
feel your body. We we create that deep
relaxation that we should have when we sleep and allow our body
not only to recharge but also toheal.
Because you see, our body has this ability to heal, but not
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only for little problems like the little cut, but also for
major problems I'm I'm sure. And we've.
Forgotten that, yeah, we've forgotten that.
And we have to recover that. So that's the, the beauty of of
these techniques that you can rediscover that magic.
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But then going on, because I don't come from a medical
background, I felt that I neededmore content.
And then I bumped into kinesiology and, and that was a
beautiful journey as well. Yeah.
And there I learned a lot about Chinese medicine, traditional
Chinese medicines and the energysystems within the body and how
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to rebalance them. And it was, it was very, it was
amazing. And I think with kinesiology,
you'll never stop learning, really.
There's always a new workshop. There's always, you know,
something new to learn just. Just remind us, Denise, what
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exactly is kinesiology? Kinesiology.
OK, Sometimes I give for granted, yeah.
I think lots of people probably know it, but you know, just to
really explain. What it is, it's interesting
after I go back to what I wantedto say now.
So kinesiology is a beautiful modality that with uses muscle
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testing. So a biofeedback, it uses a
muscle to have informations of how of what is happening inside
the body. So if there are any imbalances,
so people come with a problem that can be either physical or
emotional, and then you tap intothe body, you use a muscle as a
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muscle indicator and the muscle will give you those answers that
you're looking for. So where is the problem in the
body to which emotion is connected?
And then the body also will tellyou how you want to diffuse it,
which is the best way? And there are so many different
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ways. There's music, there's there's
tuning forks, gold statements, acupressure points, you name it.
You can use anything. What's your what's your favorite
way? OK, so I'm a big believer that
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we don't need any tools OK, so lots of kinesiologists they
travel and they go around to do their balances with a luggage
because they've got they've got their cars, they've got they
flower essence, they've got so many tools.
My belief instead is that we have everything that we need to
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heal. So I ask.
For. For me, my hands, myself and the
person, you know, whatever is soI can move and travel and I
don't need anything else apart from me and the person, whatever
is offering to me. So this is me.
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You know, kinesiology is beautiful.
You can do it in so many different ways.
And you can retail it for who you are.
Yeah. So I'm I want to know more.
So you say use your hands. So how do you ask a question and
get your answer? So that's with the muscle
testing. So you usually a kinesiologist
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uses the Brachio radialis, whichis just the muscle that is
holding the forearm. Yeah.
So that's because it's convenient as a position.
So if I was there with you, I would be asking you to hold in
front of you your arm, and I would kindle.
So pinch in this case, we could use all the arm if you would be
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standing in front of me and whenI pinch the belly of your
muscles. So to hold your arm, you would
be holding the anterior deltoid in this case.
Yeah. So if I pinch the belly of the
anterior deltoid, the signal of stress goes to the brain.
OK. And the brain says, OK, there's
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something going on. Let go, let go.
And so your arm goes, you know, goes weak.
You can't hold it anymore. So this is your body.
Your arm is detecting stress, physical stress, but it can do
that also on a larger scale on emotion.
We can test that in a different way.
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I could ask you, OK, now, Kira, just think of something that you
don't like, OK? And your muscle would go weak,
OK? Think of something that you
like, and your muscle would staystrong, OK?
And then I would say, Kira, let me think of something that I
don't like. And I think usually it's always
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the same thing. It's my dog's poos that my
daughter doesn't pick up from the garden.
No, you've reminded me of something I need to do after
this. And your muscle will come weak
again. But I had the stressful thought
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and your muscle became weak. Why is that is because thought
is energy, not only for yourselfbut for me.
And because we are antennas, OK,we are like radio stations, we
are emitting and receiving information and you received my
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stress. OK.
So understanding these concepts is so important.
So a kinesiology, what it does with the intention
intentionally, it's going to test different areas of the body
and of the energy systems and the muscle will tell me where
there are the imbalances, where there are the blockages.
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OK, so there is this talk of exchange of inflammation.
Yeah, I hope this is makes sense.
It does. And this is what you were doing
on our session. So I was fortunate enough to
have a session with you and you would ask me questions and that
was what you were doing. You were receiving the the
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message yourself and testing yourself.
Yes. So in distance is beautiful
because you can do it as well. So I can surrogate for you or
yeah, you, you know, for example.
Fascinating. Yeah, Yeah.
Use people to surrogate for other people.
So in distance this is possible as well.
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Wonderful. Yeah.
So that's so you mentioned spinal flow kinesiology and then
there's another modality that you use.
Psyche, the one that we've done.So Psyche is my last love.
Well, it's a it's a lie because I'm already studying something
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else, but it's my official life.We're never, we're never done.
Yeah, that's right. And Psyche is is beautiful.
So it's beautiful because while kinesiology looks for the areas
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of imbalances and understands the link between the emotion
that has been stored, the story takes out the story, OK.
You can even understand that emotion, how long it has been
there, when you know it happenedand everything.
Psyche doesn't really bother about the story.
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It's more directed, immediate. So it's always, it always works
with muscle testing, but it works.
It has the person, the person isyour guide and is telling you
what it wants to work on. So you start with the an emotion
or an issue that you have and you diffuse within minutes with
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a little procedure balance of that stress.
And while the person is processing, sometimes more
information come out, but that'snot necessary.
The important is to diffuse and rebalance that emotion.
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What I really like of Sai K is that when I start a journey with
someone about with Sai K, but not only when I have people here
coming here and usually they come for mainly spinal flow.
So it's just interesting becausepeople consciously come because
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they want to heal. But then I need psyche to tap in
the subconscious to see what is their belief on healing in their
subconscious because they believe that they can heal.
OK, so with psyche, I can dive in straight in the subconscious
mind and see Yeah. And and tap into their into
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their beliefs. So they might think, you know,
lots of people think that healing is a long process.
It's not possible for them or oreven that they don't deserve
healing. It's just impressive what you
can find sometimes there. So it is a very quick way to
change your perception of life. Before we were talking about how
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I used to perceive life as a child.
If I had psyche at the time, I could have helped myself,
changing my belief on myself, changing the idea that I wasn't
smart enough. And I could.
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I could, for example, because primary school was very
stressful for me, because I feltmisunderstood.
So I could change the perceptionof of how I lived in school.
So it's like a you can't change your life.
You know, always say that I can't change your mother-in-law.
I can't change your teenage son,but I can change how you
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perceive them. OK.
So you'll see your mother-in-lawwith different eyes.
You'll see them with no stress. You know, you even might find a
way to like them. Yeah, well, I'm very fortunate
with my mother-in-law. I love her.
I love her a lot. But I had had three teenage sons
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at a time. And I totally understand that,
you know, in looking at things differently.
And one of the things I always encourage is, you know, not to
focus on all of their flaws, butyou know, to shift into
gratitude is is my saving grace.Would have been even better to
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change some beliefs and perceptions if I had you at
that. Time.
Yeah, that that's beautiful. And I think something that
really I I need to say is that for me, Psyche also allows me
the opportunity, gives me the opportunity to explain to people
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how we work, how our mind works.Because the moment that I
learned that I felt so free. I all of a sudden felt that I
could rewrite myself completely and I felt free from whatever
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believe I had. I still had to work on it, but I
knew I could work on that. You knew it was possible.
And do you think, Denise, you know, obviously is that our our
belief in the possibility that prevents healing for some people
because there are people who go to a healing modality and
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everything is transformed. And then for other people, they
say that that didn't work for me, of course.
So do you believe it's. Yeah.
Certainty, yes. Sometimes even one of the first
balances that we do, they teach in the psyche is to balance
psyche works for me because sometimes we, you know, we have
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something inside of us that doesn't allow, you know, the
process to, to happen. So it's fundamental to tap into
subconscious and to check the belief on healing or the belief
on that certain modality. And other than that belief, is
there or are there any other beliefs that you see showing up
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regularly with people that are preventing them from healing?
And whether that's physical healing or emotional healing,
you know, are there a couple of usual ones?
Well, when there are deep traumas that made people feel
unsafe, so yeah, these are the ones that really and you can see
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because of working with the physical body and touching the
body. So in in spinal flow, we really
need to scan the back, the spineand you feel it from top to the
bottom. And whoever had traumas related
to safety, security and not being loved, the foundation of
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our body usually is stuck. OK.
So those emotions are more than likely stuck in, in the base of
our body. So in the sacrum area.
So usually the back also has a huge blockages because the
emotions start there, but then the secondary.
So this is the primary blockage that creates secondary blockages
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in in our base, in our foundation.
And yeah, the the body talks about these traumas and
everything and safety is, is huge and is one of the the ones
that take more time and it takesit has more layers to it.
Let's say it that way. Yeah.
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Yeah. And the emotional blockages, are
they always related to the subconscious?
So is there that mind body connection always or can there
be physical blockages that just form?
Yeah, actually there are physical blockages.
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I mean, if someone you know has an accident and you have a
whiplash or you might have also an emotional trauma, you've got
frightened and everything, but sometimes it's more physical.
You go to the gym, you don't do that exercise properly and is
it's a more physical. And you can release.
Yes. So, yeah, you've got physical
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blockages. So the blockages that we, you
have to think in a body can be physical, emotional and also
chemicals. Yeah, chemical blockages on the
body. The body stores a lot of
chemicals. And unfortunately in this world,
we, we are really bombarded by chemicals.
Chemicals are in the water, in the air, in the food that we
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eat. It's everywhere.
And when I scan the spine of, ofpeople, I I can feel those
layers of chemical, chemical layers that the bodies are
storing. And so, yeah, it takes time, but
those are actually the first onethat go the physical and the
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chemicals. And then the emotionals are the
one that, as you mentioned before, are then stored in the
subconscious and it takes, you know, longer and it's a little
bit. Yeah, yeah.
And you know, if somebody is feeling that kind of disconnect,
you know, feeling maybe even depressed or very stressed out,
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like where, where should people start?
What's your advice to somebody who's feeling?
A bit lost, yeah. So if people feel that way, it's
because they are a little bit too taken by the outside world.
OK, so they sucked in by this madness that is.
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That is life. I always think of people that
feel in that way of a song, of aline, of a song of an Italian
singer, that it says that life I'm translating from Italian.
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Life is like a dance, a balance on the madness.
So life is madness, Yeah. And we need to find the way to,
to dance on this madness. So if yeah, if we feel in that
way, we we need to slow down. We need to have even those few
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little moments, find a, you know, moment for ourselves and
to slow down and to breathe and find connection to ourselves
because that's the truth. You know, the outside world is
sucking ourselves. It's but and we lost connection
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with who we are. So if we don't do that, we are
lost. So breathing and slowing down
even just for a few moments, that's a big start.
And then there are lots of otherways, but that's probably the
first one that I would suggest. Yeah, no.
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And it's a great suggestion. And actually Jen, who I
interviewed in the last podcast was saying there are many paths
up the mountain. So we spoke about that in terms
of, you know, there are different guides, there are
different people that come into your life as teachers at
different times. So, you know, I try and
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encourage people to get. Get in touch with their
intuition and to feel where theyshould go next.
So like your experience, all of these modalities attracted you
at a different time and you movetowards them and embrace them.
So that's it. We just have to stop and slow
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long enough to be able to say, OK, where should I go next?
Who, who is going to guide me? And sometimes we don't need a
who, we need to go inside as well.
And, and, and maybe we already know which we actually do
already know if we can quieten their minds long enough to to
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listen. And that could be breath work,
it could be psyche, it could be some other modality that just
gives us that first step. Yeah, that's right.
How about you? How about me?
How about you? Yeah, how about you in terms of
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your habits? So if you have bad days, low
days, days, maybe you don't havethem anymore, but days where you
know, you just kind of slip intothe old mentality.
What are your habits? What are your high vibration
habits? No, no, I still have them.
Remember that. I still have two teenage
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daughters and a husband and a dog.
Yes, like everyone, I have my moments as well.
And yeah, for me, it's really important the evening and the
morning. In the morning when I wake up,
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so I wake up with the lights. I don't need the alarm clock.
And I have that half an hour where I really tune to myself
and I have my routine. I do have energy healing.
And so I clean myself energetically and I check that I
don't have any attachments. And in the evening, I like to do
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a little bit of breathing. I do a little bit of meditation
and I, I think, I don't know, I don't think luck exists, but as
a habit you use the word luck. I think you know, my path led me
to do what I love. So even if I have those
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difficult moments, you know, even just staying here and
talking to you and having a session with the client for me
is not a job, you know, And sometimes you, you see that they
had a breakthrough and that fills my heart.
Or I go for a walk with my dog and I can allow myself because I
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work from home to do it when I want.
I can go to the shops when I organize to do it.
I can hang the stuff on the on the line.
And I really like it. I just enjoy every moment,
everything I do. I don't allow myself to complain
about anything. I just, you know, I think it's
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the mindset that really allows you to like, even thinks that
they're not liking. Like the dog, Like looking after
the dog and picking up after thedog.
Yeah, picking up the I love my dog.
Picking up the pool, Yes. I'm going to be I'm going to be
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chanting that in 1/2 an hour when I'm doing that in my
garden. I love my dog.
And we go back to perspective. You see?
It's all the metal perspective. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I remember a different dog, actually.
I had a beautiful golden retriever called Kobe, and I
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think it was a year he got out of the Garden and he was missing
for a couple of hours. And Facebook is useful for some
things because we put a notice on Facebook and we found him so.
But I remember that day walking around the town looking for him
and I remember saying, I will never complain about dog hair
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again. I will never complain about dog
hair again. Please come back.
But, you know, so it is. It's that shift in perspective
that, you know, we spend our days focused on the negative,
focused and all the things that aren't perfect.
But if we could just spend a little bit longer looking at the
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beauty surrounds us, the the thelove that's all around us, you
know, and the joy that's there for the taking.
Yeah. And we really make a difference
because I think that life is like a card game.
And this is something that I talk with my people as well
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because when you change, you know, people want sometimes
they're complaining, you know, oh, my husband does this.
Oh, my mother-in-law does that. My son like that.
Is that OK? Look, we can't change anyone.
The only person that we really can change, we can't change the
world. What is happening around the
world? We can't change the world in
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which we live, but we can changeourselves.
So that's the most important thing.
And I, I can't see, I can tell putting the attention on, on the
beautiful things that are happening and the big movement
and the changes, you know, even the attention that people have
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more and more increasingly on the holistic environment is
telling us that we are having a major shift in the world.
And I would like to add these last, when was it last November,
I was gifted so with with a special water.
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I don't know if you're aware, but on the planet there are some
waters that they are light waters, there are special
waters. And so there are waters that are
usually they are in particular sacred location of the world and
people go in pilgrimage and so-called miracles happened.
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Now with quantum science, we know that they are not really
miracles, but it's because in those places, those waters, they
have a very high vibration and the person is there really
willing and wanting with a clearintention to heal.
So combining the high vibration with a clear intention on
healing, the miracle happens. It's not really a miracle, it's
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just quantum science. OK so it is beautiful and there
are many different light waters around the world.
Now I was gifted with this waterthat is called cosmic water.
So if anyone is interested they just need to go and Google
cosmic water and this water comes from the cosmos from
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outside. So it was like downloaded from
outside and this friend of mine because it comes from Italy.
OK, so she came with the bottle of water and she was all happy
and she said, you know, Denise, about something beautiful to
gift you. And when she gave it to me, I
thought was light water and I got so excited I was how
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beautiful it is. It's not easy to have this
water. So this is just to say that
there is so much happening up there and if we put our own
attention on the negativity, we are going to feed and grow that
OK. Instead, if we put our attention
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on what is beautiful happening, then instead we really in that
card game that I was mentioning before, we are playing the cards
for a positive result. And you know, and this is on a
biggest a little scale, like playing the cards for our life
or in a big yeah. Yeah.
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And like, that is exactly what you say when you raise your
vibration, you're impacting the cards are falling for other
people around you and you're influencing them.
You know, and again, I always feel we have to mention that we
are fortunate enough not to be in areas of the world that are
in very low vibration. But I don't think, and this is
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my belief that other people wouldn't hold.
But, you know, dwelling too longon that doesn't help.
You know, I think we need to do whatever we can do, whatever we
can manage help in whatever way,but then we need to try and
raise ourselves up again becauseI believe that that vibration
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has a positive impact. And as you say, possibly in the
quantum field, my good intentions are impacting the
wider world. Absolutely like the Pebble if
yeah. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
So what is sparking joy for you right now?
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Where do you go or what do you do that really brings joy?
OK, so as I said before, I'm in a very lucky moment of my life.
I do, you know what I love in myown terms, in my own time.
And yeah, my focus at the momentis to keep on growing and
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understanding how we work because you see, yes, it's
beautiful people come here and Ifacilitate for them and I help
them. But I really am a really big
believe in the fact that we should learn to be
self-sufficient. So we shouldn't be rely on
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anyone to, you know, go to someone and say please heal me.
Yeah, that's, you know, OK, we are helping each other for a
while, but ideally everyone should be working on
self-sufficiency. So this is my primary focus at
the moment. So even before I said, I
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mentioned that that is typical of of holistic healers, you
know, that we never stop learning and we always looking
for other ways to, to heal and you know, quicker and faster and
more efficiently. And I was looking to some
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information a few months ago about this school in Mexico for
kids. And they teach these kids to
read and write blindfolded. Yeah.
I was just, you know, blown away.
So within one or two sessions, kids can develop that mind,
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sight and see, and they can play, talk, play soccer
blindfolded. So they switch on those extra
senses that they actually reallyhave have it on those senses
that we switch off growing up because this world tells us, how
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do you say programs us to believe that we don't hang.
So my journey, and I don't know how long it will take is to
regain those ability with which we are born.
So they are innate in US and that kids have because that's
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our true self. So we are so limited with this
body, with these five senses. This is not how we should be.
And the beautiful part is that these are kids especially
they've noticed in kids that they have learning difficulties
or yeah, they, they have behavioral problems.
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They, they improve massively their condition, they become
more heart centered, more emotionally balanced and they
become smarter. So I would love one day, who
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knows, but to be able to sort ofunderstand how to recover that
so that everyone could go there and you know, and reconnect with
what which really are. And I think also I'd love to
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work with kids because kids are the ones that will change the
future of this world. So I'm not sure how everything
will fold out. This is what I have in mind.
I'm a big dreamer, as I can see.We need big dreamers.
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I have a a mounted picture on mywall over there that says, I
don't know where I'm going from here, but I promise it won't be
boring. There are words from David
Bowie. And so yeah, it doesn't matter
what where our path takes us, aslong as we allow it to excite us
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and challenge us and and we keepmoving.
That's right, that's right. Never give up.
Never give up. Denise, thank you so much for
this conversation which I know will bring a lot of benefit to a
lot of people and and if you arein Australia, make sure you
check her out. What?
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What city are you in in? Melbourne.
Melbourne, so if you're in Melbourne definitely go find her
but if you're anywhere else in the world she does online
sessions. As I mentioned, I have had the
benefit of 1 and I will definitely be doing more, but
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links to Denise are below in theshow notes where you can find
out more about her on her website, flowingsouls.com.
And yeah, it's been wonderful tolearn from you, and I wish you
so much joy and success in the future.
(55:27):
Thank you. Thank you so much here to you
know, for having me here. It was beautiful to chat with
you. Thank you.
So I hope you enjoyed that as much as I did.
As I mentioned, you can find outmore about Denise on her
website, the link is below in the show notes and you can book
a session with her online wherever you are in the world.
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A great take away from this session for me was the reminder
that you can't change other people and what's happening
around you, but you can change yourself and when you do,
everything around you usually changes too.
So let me leave you with the suggestion that if something in
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your life is not working for youright now, if you have a
difficult relationship or a challenge, maybe with one of
your kids, shift your focus inwards away from the situation
and look at what are your thoughts about the situation.
So if you start with changing your thinking, then control what
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you can control and try your best to let go of the rest.
Now I know it sounds simplistic,but it honestly works.
So thanks again for listening and tuning in.
And a reminder to follow the podcast if you're not already
doing it. Share with friends and family.
And if you have any questions orsuggestions for us, you can
(56:58):
reach out to me personally at Coach Kira on Instagram.
Make sure you're following me there too.
And keep committing to keeping your vibration high.
And I wish you a beautiful innerday.
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