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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Senior officials are dropping faster than the vaccine injured.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Over at the Center for Disease Control.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
We have a top official at the top of the
program to bring us inside RFK Junior's battle to vindicate
science in the federal government. Plus, James Fishback is with
us this evening. He's filed litigation to bring transparency and
accountability to the Federal Reserve.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
And President Trump just.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Gave a massive interview to the Daily Caller, the journalist
asking great questions.
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Is with us this hour?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
We've got politics, Medican sin, and even a little sports tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
It's all next on the Mac Gates Show. Let's do
this shaking up Washington, d C. We're breaking the fever.
Do you haven't watch this guy on television.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
It's like a machine.
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He's great, Matt Gates.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
President Trump is demanding transparency from Pfizer and other big
pharmaceutical companies regarding the effectiveness and impacts of the COVID vaccines.
The President fired off over the weekend. I hope Operation
Will Speed was brilliant as many say it was. If not,
we all want to know about it and why. Trump said.
These statements come as Health and Human Services Secretary RFK
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Junior has fired CDC Director Susan Monarez. She was fired
when she refused to step down. Four other CDC officials
followed her out the door, and that may be exactly
the swamp draining the people hoped for with the election
of Trump and the appointment of RFK Junior. Trump noted
the CDC is being ripped apart by disagreements about the
vaccine success, referencing the recent exodus. We're going to dig
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into this tonight and Oaan's fearless journalism will bring you
inside the story. On other news networks, you can't make
it through a commercial break.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Without ads from big pharma.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
As a result, mainstream media has a history of lying
to you about vaccines and about big pharma, and they
do so to protect their advertising dollars. First, they didn't
tell you about the vaccine potentially having any issues. Then
they didn't cover the extent of the myocarditis and the
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peri carditis. Real people were being devastated by side effects
from the vaccine. It became a concern, especially for men
under the age of thirty. There was even increased blood
plotting linked to the Johnson and Johnson and astrozenica vaccines.
It's almost certain that people are vaccine injured with blood
clots that they don't even realize the vaccine may have
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played a role in those injuries. FDA Chief Marty Mcarey
even Pennan op ed to The Wall Street Journal why
the FDA doesn't support COVID boosters forever. It's an interesting
read on this program. We don't allow dollars or dogmas
to get in the way of our pursuit of science.
President Trump calls for transparency, and we find those calls
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welcome here.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
So what will we learn?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Doctor Robert Malone was appointed by Secretary Robert F. Kennedy
Junior to serve on the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices
in June. ACIP is the CDC's chief advisory panel on
vaccine recommendations.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Doctor Mallow joins us.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Now, Doctor Malone, you've been a guiding light for so
many of our viewers on these questions, even before you
took on this current role. But I have to ask
you about the President's recent comments. Are vaccines tearing the
CDC apart?
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Certainly, the discussion about vaccine policy is become a major
flashpoint within the CDC, and Matt just to calibrate this.
Only ten percent of the CDC staff right now are
on site. That'll continue until September fifteenth. Consequent to the
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shooter who put some lead in the outside of the
CDC and unfortunately we lost a security officer, father of
a young family in that but nobody else. He didn't
enter the building. But the CDC staff have all been
on whether you want to call it fur lough er
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work at home and will continue through the fifteenth for
the so the place is hardly it's a ghost town
right now. Getting anything done there is that challenge, I'll
tell you. And then the experience at the ACIP, particularly
for the COVID work Group subcommittee, has been one of
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obstructionism and slow walking for weeks and weeks now over
the issue of what is referred to as the terms
of reference its internal bureaucracy slang for scope of work
for what the subcommittee will be allowed to investigate by
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the CDC staff. And my colleague Retzef Levy, who's the
chair of that group, would have none of that, and
he's pretty much gone to the mat. And one of
the things that it's important to understand about Retzev is
he's got ten years of service to the Israeli Defense Force,
so he's not easily intimidated.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
No, I can't imagine it would be.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
And I sort of chuckled, doctor Malone, because this is
an old Washington trick. If they if you're making progress
to change a system, they try to limit your scope
as much as possible and then layer as many different
layers above you and below you, so that if there
are good ideas that maybe gore someone's ox or impair
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their turf, that those ideas never get to the forefront. First,
I want to do more diagnosis here with you. When
you say that there is obstructionism and slow walking, what
do you attribute that to? Why are people doing that?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
So the.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Claim made by the rather prominent CDC leadership that resigned
last week rather spectacularly and then was on ABC News
and then just eviscerated on social media afterwards, was that
the secretary was politicizing the CDC and politicizing the science
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of the CDC.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
But as having had.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
A first person perspective on this, what I saw was
that together with Retsf, I was a co author, but
Retzf was on lead. What we have advocated for at
the working group level is what most people would concur
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is an objective scientific reevaluation of the safety and effectiveness
of these products. So the optics are that the obstructionism
had to do with resistance to independently assessing the conclusions
that CDC had arrived at concerning safety and effectiveness of
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these COVID products, And the optics are they really didn't
want us asking those questions or doing those investigations. And
basically the position was that the staff had the right
to determine what the ACIP was able to look at,
and that the ACIP should not look at things that
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have already been examined independently by CDC staff. So they've
already made their determination about the safety and effectiveness, and
we essentially were supposed to just accept that swallow it,
so to speak, without independently verifying, using well qualified academics
that have actually been doing rigorous studies and reporting what
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their findings are.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
So that was the.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Sticker, and they claimed on ABC News and other outlets,
oh my god, Bobby is politicizing this. But the truth
is that policy was never a subject of discussion.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
The subject of discussion.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Was scope of what would be looked at and whether
or not we would be allowed to get independent voices.
And remember, Matt, enough about the government. This is under
ACIP operates under the Federal Advisory Committee Act FAKA Act,
and FACA committees are supposed to be entirely independent, providing
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outside input to key administrators in the government. It's not
supposed to be a captured committee that does the bidding
of the bureaucrats within that agency.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
You'll correct me if I'm wrong, But what I remember
about the scientific method from high school is that retesting
is actually critically important to go back and challenge prior
assumptions and to see if new technologies or new theories unlock.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
A different way of thinking about something.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
That if we just if we just say, well, something's
been tested, so we have to we have to cast
that in concrete and never look at it again and
never question it again. That to me seems like an
assault on the scientific method, not an embrace of it.
And then the of course, you know, you you outline
the critique. Oh, this is this is hyper political. But
what I worry about doctor Malone is whether or not
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some of those other findings that they now want to
say are bronzed can never be questioned that they may
have been influenced by the desires of big pharma, the
desires of vaccine manufacturers. And when you say now that
you just get some folks in there who are experts
who want to look at these issues, you're told, oh, no, no, no,
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the staff gets to decide what you're allowed to look at.
Don't look there, don't look here. Does it feel to
you just like a good old fashioned cover up?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
These are not the drones you're looking for, right.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
It certainly reeks of that, And Matt, the good news
is that these individuals that have been obstructing, we could
say that they've self doged or self deported them from
the CDC.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
They're no longer there.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
And the good news is that the staff that have
been assigned to fill those roles now are being very cooperative.
We are developing an active partnership between the subcommittee and
those new individuals that are finally able to rise based
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on merit as opposed to DEI criteria.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
I mean that to be blunt. That's what's at the
core of this is this is.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
The residuum of Biden administration DEI policies, and I don't
want to feature the particular individual that has been spread
all over social media, after having been spread on the
front pages of various publications historically.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
But you know that the individual.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
That's been so obstructionist was put in this position as
a advocate for vaccine equity. This is an individual that
represents a select community, very active in HIV space. And
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this is the individual who was brought on as the
direct advisor to Rachelle Wolenski during the COVID crisis from
New York City and then was also the director. The individual,
not director, the individual appointed to be in charge of
the monkey pox policy. This is the individual that advocated
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for universal monkey pox vaccination of American citizens using a
vaccine that was not designed for monkey pox. This is
md MPH with no scientific background, that is cloaking himself
in the science. Is basically parenting, not quite exactly the
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same words, but parenting. Tony Fauci's position of I represent
the science and these individuals here on this subcommittee don't,
and that that's just not okay.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
That is not science. That is something else.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
We could call authoritarianism, we could call it narcissism, a
lot of words we could use there, but it's it's
not in the interest of the American public. And kudos
to President Trump for a dropping this bombshell on True
Social Sunday Morning, in which he basically put Pfizer and Maderna,
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et cetera on notice that they've given him personally a
lot of happy talk, but he's sick and tired of it,
and he wants the truth just.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Like the rest of us. No, I think that just
want the data.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I don't think that science really bends to power, to
political power. And that's why I think a lot of
Americans are hopeful that the work you're doing, and that
and that Secretary count you're doing are durable no matter
which political party is in power. We believe that the
data and constant rigor and testing and questioning ourselves, you know,
should drive the public health policies of our country. But
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we've got, We've done, I think, a thorough job diagnosing
what's wrong there. I want to talk now about the remedy,
how to fix it. What you know in addition to
changing people, can you talk about the durable things that
you and Secretary Kennedy and other great Americans are working
on that we think can get broad based support so
that this doesn't become such a vexing wedge for the country.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Well, thank you, And it shouldn't be. We shouldn't. I've
said this so many times. It really.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
If there's one lesson from the COVID crisis, it's that
politicizing public health is a bad idea. We've seen a
lot of bad ideas, and that one has got to
be at the top of the list. So the initiative,
as you know, Matt, that's ongoing right now. And as
if this latest news cycle wasn't packed enough, very soon,
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in theory, we're supposed to have the drop of the
next MAHAK Commission report. The prior report was basically the
threat assessment, and the one that's about to drop is
the action plan.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
It's it's what are we gonna do about it?
Speaker 5 (14:20):
What are we going to do to keep our children
from being having shorter lives and being less healthy than
their parents? And that is the best answer I can
give to you right now. I'm not Secretary Kennedy. I
occasionally talk to him, but I am not his chief advisor.
I'm not Stephanie Spear. I don't know exactly what's going on,
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but I do have confidence in his commitment. I have
confidence in the tight shared interests between the President and
the Secretary in advancing the health of our children. Children
and families are central to both the President and the
Second Kerry. It's one of the things that binds them,
and they're both committed to advancing the health of not
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only all Americans, but particularly our youth.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, and certainly doctor Mullen.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Before we let you go, I do want to get
a sense of what your role will be in responding
to President Trump's call for transparency around these really operative questions.
What will you and the committee be doing so that
you fully respond to and vindicate what the President wants
on vaccine transparency.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Hey, again the caveat. This is my opinion.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
I don't represent the CDC or the ACIP or the
US government, But our answer from the ACIP and the
subcommittee will draw to the best of our ability given
the short timeline on September eighteenth and nineteenth at the
upcoming ACIP meeting, so you will see what our recommendations
are going forward relating to these products.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
And then the mission.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Space that we have managed to squeeze includes revisiting the
entire pediatric schedule, insisting on data for vaccine vaccine interactions,
insisting on controlled data, addressing these issues such as the
appropriateness of immediate after birth vaccination with hepatitis B vaccine,
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the importance and the appropriateness of the current vaccine schedule
for the human papillomavirus vaccine, and really everything else is
all on the table. Is this the right thing to
be doing, that we're doing, and what about the interactions
of these and remember another, as if things aren't busy enough,
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the Secretary has promised a major drop of information relating
to autism. And if I had to look in my
crystal ball, I speculate that what we might hear is
something about the interaction of Thailand all in the very
young together with things that are pro inflammatory, like say,
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for example, multiple vaccination, that may be part of the
issue associated with autism. I speculate, and many others are
saying so. But the Secretary made it clear that, as
he said in that very first press conference, he was
going to get to the bottom, to the best of
his ability, of the issue on the wave of autism.
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By this September, here we are it's showtime, and so
you can anticipate there's going to be some important announcements
associated with that very soon.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
That is quite the tease, and we definitely want to
have you back on toward the middle of the month
to really dive into that report and those findings in
the next steps that are to come. I recall as
a congressman the number of times doctor Malone, you came
before our committees and you said, nobody's listening. You brought science,
you brought facts, and now we're grateful you're in a
position to serve the public and work to really bring
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a lot of robust policy to the vision that we've
seen from President Trump and Secretary Kennedy.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Thanks as always for joining the program.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Thanks for having me on, Matt, carry on.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
And the Federal Reserve is in the news, not just
for interest rates. Looks like mortgage fraud, a lack of transparency,
and a battle Chairman James Fishback is a finance expert
who's here to break it all down and explain what
he's doing to make sure they are held accountable.
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Speaker 7 (20:51):
If you're going to be in charge of the Federal Reserve,
damn you better sure know how to fill out a
mortgage application. And boy, it's awfully weird that she potentially
saved a lot of money by making so called clerical
errors with a Jerom Powell. He's got to answer for
why he's not coming out and saying this is bad.
He's destroying the credibility to the Fed by not saying
that mortgage fraud is bad. See, the mortgage market is
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very dependent on the credibility of the Fed, and.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
So it's concerning. That was the hammer.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Bill Poulti, President Trump's man over at the Federal Housing
Finance Corporation speaking to reporters about second mortgage fraud criminal
referrals against the Federal Reserve and battled Governor Lisa Cook.
We hadn't really heard about mortgage fraud until Poulti started
looking around. It turns out some of the worst people
in DC have been accused of telling lies to get
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better subsidized interest rates on second homes. Isn't that just
an interesting little elitist problem, using lies to get regular
folks to be backing your lower interest rate that you
don't deserve on your second home. Federal policy subsidizes lower
than market rate interest rates for people actually living in
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their home, their homestead. That's probably good public policy because
people need to have a home. But imagine the nerve
of Senator Adam Schiff or Attorney General of New York
Tis James and Fed Governor Lisa Cook for suggesting on
their paperwork that their home is a residence when it
in fact is an investment a second home. Most Americans
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here Federal Reserve meeting and imagine something out of a
sleep apnea study. But it's reasonable to ask, why are
the most powerful economic decisions in America happening behind closed doors.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Put it on c span.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Let us see who yawns, who doodles, and who actually
knows what a mortgage is. The FED should be turned
from a smoke filled backroom into primetime reality. Honestly, with
Powell at the mic and inflation at the door, I'd
tune in. And when Trump called out Fed Governor Lisa
Cook over her double dipping mortgage paperwork, our next guest,
James Fishback, didn't sit back. He didn't just tweet his
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thoughts in prayers. He's a major player in finance, and
he filed briefs, staked out positions, and showed up in
court like Perry Mason with a Bloomberg terminal. It's fashionable
for people in finance to stay in the shadows, quiet rooms,
glass towers, polite applause at Davos. Fishback missed that memo,
and let's be honest. This is where it gets fun
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because Fishback isn't just a finance guy. He's a showman.
He knows that politics is a performance art and he
plays it with gusto. While most CEOs are worried about
their LinkedIn headshots, this guy's in federal court filing open
government access cases, demanding that Powell stop hiding behind mahogany doors.
Joining us now the CEO of Azoria, James Fishback. James,
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you've been a bulldog going after the lack of transparency,
and accountability at the Federal Reserve. Where does some of
your more recent legal filing stand.
Speaker 8 (23:48):
Well, right here, right now, Matt. What we are attempting
to do is force the Federal Reserve to do something
they have not done in over half a century, and
that is to conduct their business in public views. So
much of why the Fed has gotten things so wrong
is because they're immune from public debate and criticism.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Matt.
Speaker 8 (24:06):
The reason why you've been able to call out government
when it's gone wrong is because you're able to witness
those government proceedings when they err. And so a natural
precondition on our First Amendment right to petition our government
is of course to know what our government is up to.
And so what we're trying to do now in the
federal court system in this case that my investment firm
has brought it's called Azoria v. Powell for Jerome Powell,
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of course, is to force the Federal Reserve into compliance
with the Sunshine Act of nineteen seventy six. That Act, Matt,
makes very clear, any multi member federal agency with appointees
from the President confirmed by the Senate must not a recommendation,
not a suggestion, must conduct its business in public view.
If we are successful, the FED will comply and for
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the first time ever, hold its meetings in public.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I wonder how they've been able to skirt this for
so long, and what do you think will learn and
if we get eyeballs on some of those deliberations and discussions.
Speaker 8 (25:04):
Well, the status quo is so damning because think about it.
They had a meeting in July. At that meeting, there
were two descents. And that might not sound like a
lot two descents, three descents, two descents, Matt, is the
most dissenting votes we've had at a FED meeting since
nineteen ninety three. And then, to add insult to injury,
within forty eight hours of that meeting, a third FED
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governor went on to resign without explanation. That was Audreyanic Kuglo.
That's how we got this vacancy. That President Trump appointed
Steve Morant, who is going to be a great FED governor.
Now we think about it, that meeting at the end
of July, when will we know what was said in
that meeting. We won't know until July twenty thirty five
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full years, Matt. They will withhold those transcripts from public view.
Say what you want about progressive school boards and places
like California and Illinois, at least they have the common
courtesy of defending that woke nonsense in public. We can
go up there and call them out for it. We
don't even know what the Fed's doing, let alone have
the opportunity to be able to call them out. So
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if we can bring this nonsense into public view, I
suspect the entire house of cards will fall. The idea
that for five straight meetings in twenty twenty five since
President Trump took office, they've refused to raise rates. They
cut rates by the largest amount in more than four
years right before the election to throw Kamala Harris a lifeline,
and now that inflation is not at but below the
fed's target Matt, they refuse to do nothing because a
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man named Donald J. Trump is in the White House.
When that meeting comes into public view, their entire rationale,
which is economically illiterate and deeply Unamerican, begins to fall apart.
And at that point we can begin to lower rates
and deliver relief for Americans who have worked so hard.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
It's not just the process you've been critical of, it's
also the policy outcomes from the FED, as you just
laid out. So when we think about Fed shair Jerome Powell,
how do you think he's let the country down?
Speaker 2 (26:55):
And what do you think the fundamental.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Miscalculation is that he's made to justify not lowering rates
and giving people more.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Access to capital.
Speaker 8 (27:05):
Such a great question, because I think we often get
caught up in the personality of too late this and
too late that. Let's talk about it from an economic standpoint.
I spent the last decade trading interest rate derivatives at
a hedge fund, and so my job, quite literally, Matt,
was to read everything that Jerome Powell and before him,
Yellen ever said and to try to estimate what the
models would say they would do next. What Jerome Powell
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suffers from is this what if disorder? What if the
tariffs go wrong? What if they trigger second and third
round inflationary effects. My response to that is very simple.
The tariffs have been in effect now for eight months
and there hasn't even been a modicum of evidence that
they are inflationary, let alone that they're going to trigger
this inflationary spiral. This is the same guy, Matt, that
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when he was staring at seven eight percent inflation in
twenty twenty one. In early twenty twenty two, he said,
what if this is transitory? He gave that the benefit
of the doubt when clearly it didn't deserve it. What
President Trump deserves and tariffs deserve, is the benefit of
the doubt. They've been in effect now for eight months.
We have inflation that's averaged one point nine percent annualized
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since the President took office. No academic empirical research points
to inflation contributing to the sort of sustained inflation that
the FED is trying to combat. Therein lies the issue,
and so the problem with Powell, really, at the end
of the day, is an economic one. He thinks that
keeping rates this high is going to somehow curtail the
terriff effects, when all they're doing is reducing the housing affordability,
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making it harder for Americans across our home state. Matt,
you out in Okaloosa County, me and Santa Rosa, and
me and Madison County. I'm thinking with different counties now
to think about how we can afford our homes. Look,
if you can't afford a home, you can't start a family.
If you can't start a family, you cannot achieve the
promise of the American dream. And so what Jerome Powell
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was doing at the end of the day is having
massive downstream societal effects.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
It's so true that the way housing is indext right
now is shaping American life and people's prospects for a
human existence in a way that's very detrimental compared to
our parents and grandparents. There are sources in Washington telling
me that the FED chair's days may soon.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Be numbered if that were to happen.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
You know, all the players, Is there a particular profile
or even a particular individual you're looking at to say,
that's who I'm rooting for. That's what's going to make
my investors more money, that's what's going to make the
country more prosperous.
Speaker 8 (29:32):
Well, Matt, As you know, it's never over until the
President says it's over, and he has a real knack,
real instinct for picking these folks out. There are two
candidates that I really like for this position. I like
Steve Moran, who's now going to be a FED governor
with the hopeful grace of the United States, and he
has a hearing this Thursday. He's been the CEA, the
Council of Economics chair under the President. I think it's
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Steve Waller, that Chris Waller would be a great choice
as well. He's a current FED governor. Less keen on him,
more so on Marie. But I think that the President
has a really unique opportunity here, not as some in
the mainstream media want to portray as someone who's going
to be slavish to the President, but no, someone who's
going to be focused squarely on the data, focused on
the data, and the data is clear. Tariffs are not inflationary,
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the inflation problem is solved, and high rates are holding
back President Trump's golden age, and so on those three fronts,
it makes sense for the next FED share to really
go out there. I mean, Matt, I worked at a
hedge fund, as I said, for ten years, and I
got calls from the Fed every couple of weeks asking
me how I was thinking about the interest rate market
and what was likely to come from the Fed. Matt,
(30:37):
has the fedever called you or Ginger to ask about
what you guys think and what's to come for your
beautiful son's legacy? Congrats again, I'm lucky. The truth is
that average Americans have zero inputs zero say, zero feedback
on what the FED is doing. And I'm not saying
we should turn us into an institution that focuses solely
on the passions of the public, but at least the
(30:59):
public should have some buy in, some say, some feedback
on the awesome responsibilities that the Federal Reserve is endowed with.
So a chair that shows up in Okaloosa County, in
Madison County, in Broward County, and counties all across our state,
in our country, that's the kind of share that President
Trump should pick. Who can represent folks from all walks
of life.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
It will certainly be interesting.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I mean, there's a group of people who meet in
secret who basically decide what everything costs, including where you live,
the stuff you eat, and James Fishback wants to make
sure that you at least get to see what the
deliberative process looks like. CEO of Azuria, thank you so
much for joining us on the program and keep it
real down it in Madison County.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Thanks Matt.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Coming up, we'll examine what's going on with China and
the desire to have more Chinese students in the United States.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Is that a good idea? Is there a way.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Maybe more Chinese activity at American universities could be to
the detriment of the Middle Kingdom. I'll discuss it with
Sam Kluber after a break.
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Speaker 2 (34:14):
China's having a massive military parade that President Putin and Kim.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
John Wan will be attending.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
Do you interpret that as a challenge to this I
are you've concerned at all about those countries.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Counterweight? Not at all.
Speaker 7 (34:25):
China needs us, and I have a very good relationship
with President she is, you know, but China needs us
much more than we need them China.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
We wonder how America can ever either isolate or battle
the most populous country on Earth.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
China seeks to dominate the world.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
They bully their neighbors, they provide cheap goods to US customers,
and President Trump has heroically reset the rules of the
game on trade with China, and of course, the Supreme
Court should vindicate President Trump's bold actions by getting rid
of this lower court decision that is standing in the
way of American progress and greatness and success.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
America also wants to.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Win the battle for the future against China, and who
wouldn't want to. There are people under the age of thirty,
more of them, more people under the age of thirty
in China than there are total Americans. So the Trump
administration faces a challenging question. How do we incentivize young
people in China to change China for the better while
(35:25):
also not funding and educating the next generation of talented tyrants.
Six hundred thousand student visas for Chinese, that's what's being
considered discussed. The amount that would be considered has oscillated
at times, and we wanted to learn more about what
this means for our country and our relationship with the
Middle Kingdom. Joining us now is one of the board
(35:47):
members of American Growth and Innovation Forum, Sam Keebler. So, Sam,
what's your take on the Chinese students in US universities?
Speaker 9 (35:55):
Hey, Matt, great to be with you. And yeah, it's
quite an interesting news coming out of the administration. I
think it left a lot of your former colleagues in
Congress scratching their heads at what the administration plans to
do here. As you know, President Trump announced that it
allows six hundred Chinese students to come here and get
(36:18):
their education here in the US. And you know, I'm
not sure if that's the right move, but you know,
I believe it's part of his trade plan with China.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Yeah, there's no question that this issue of the Chinese
students has some interplay with these broader economic discussions and
who knows, maybe even some of the security discussions that
are always part of the US Sino relationship. What do
you think is the right number of Chinese students in
US universities? And if that number is zero, how do
(36:49):
you win the future of China?
Speaker 9 (36:52):
Sure, as you may know, there's about two hundred and
fifty thousand Chinese students here in the US right now.
That's about twenty five percent of the international base here
in the US. And that's actually down from just over
I think it was around three hundred thousand plus pre COVID,
So that number is down, And I'm not sure if
there's a right number, but I think the right policy
(37:15):
is making sure we know who is really coming into
the US and who shvere and who isn't and you
know who is involved with the CCP.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Yeah, I'm I'm increasingly concerned about these Confucius institutes that
we've seen as a center of activity for information gathering,
for the recruitment of students, for the management of the
careers of students in a particular areas. That doesn't anure
to the benefit of the United States. It agnures to
the benefit of China. But I have a theory, Sam, Okay,
(37:45):
I'm gonna throw it at you. Our universities for the
most part, have become such cesspools of failure and liberalism
and wokeism and just counterintuitiveness to progress.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Let all the Chinese students into them that you want.
This could be like.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Our COVID that we give back to them. Send over
your talented students, China. We will put them in our
universities that have gone genderless and purple haired and you'll
get back a bunch of Hello, kiddy freaks. What do
you think about my plan to combat China with the
unconventional warfare of our woke and nutty institutions of higher learning?
Speaker 9 (38:21):
You know, Matt, you might be onto something. This could
be a nice dish back to China. And you know,
as Secretary of Commerce, Lutnix mentioned that, you know, some
of these business or some of these universities may go
out of business without these students. So I think either
way it's you know, we might come out on top here.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah, it was always interesting to me that you're right
about the donations that like follow the students, right, because
these universities they charge just absolutely astronomical rates for these
Chinese students, and then there are donations into the foundations
of the universities to support it, and then oftentimes the
US at the universities get to go on their trips
(39:02):
to China. So it's in some ways a corrupt symbiotic
relationship between the worst features of American higher ed and
some of the most concerning parts of China's approach to
information control.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (39:16):
I couldn't agree more. And you know, here at the
American growth in an innovation form. I think some of
the policies we're advocating for is kind of a way
to move beyond this cess school as you mentioned, from
international students to promoting American workforce policies. A lot of
these large US businesses, you know, Amazon, Cisco, AT and T,
(39:36):
they investing in trades for Americans, and I think we
should really be focused on Americans first and perhaps look
outside the box and maybe US universities maybe isn't the
right the right call.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
It's going to be interesting to see the way higher
ed changes with democratization to answers right. I mean, people
had to go to universities for great study before the
internet because that was the thinking that you had the
intellectuals and the elites, and proximity mattered. But now beyond
the Internet into AI where people are able to design
(40:12):
their own curriculum. Do you think that ten years from
now colleges will look the.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Same and maybe obsolete.
Speaker 9 (40:19):
I think it's already We're already sitting that happened now
for the first time in years. You know, I'm talking
to you know, niece's nephews that are you know, reconsidering,
you know, going to college. It's it's the ROI isn't
there for everyone, and people are asking the right questions.
So I think in ten years our education system will
look totally different.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
What do you think brings those powers to be to
bear in hid?
Speaker 9 (40:46):
Well, you know, it's it's stems all the way from
the top, and you look at just you know, as
you mentioned, you look decades, goes back and forth.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
And it just the ROI is not there.
Speaker 9 (40:59):
And I think are our US companies are going to
be the ones pushing for these changes because ultimately they're
the ones who are going to get hiring these people.
And if they can't get the right talent, then you know,
nature will take its course.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
I don't know that a whole lot of Fortune one
hundred companies are super eager to hire the next person
with their master's degree and like intersectional gender studies. But
we'll see, and I think it's a time of great evolution.
Sam Keebler, thanks as always for coming on the program
and sharing your expertise.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Thanks Matt and coming up.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
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As the Israel and Gaza conflict continues, questions about America's
support for Israel and their continued engagement in the conflict
are at the forefront of a lot of foreign policy
and political conversations. Over the weekend, The Daily Caller conducted
in an interview with President Trump on exactly this subject,
and his view on the matter sent shock waves through
the internet. He said, the Israel lobby in Washington, d C.
(44:27):
Isn't as strong as it once was and is losing
its grip on Congress. President Trump said Israel needs to
end the war because it's hurting Israel. Especially in the
world of public relations and public opinion. We know President
Trump has been advocating for an end to this conflict
to bring about peace in the Middle East, But how
long can Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyah, who withstand this
continued decline in public sentiment about in Israel. Joining us
(44:51):
now is Reagan Reese, White House correspondent for The Daily Caller.
She's the journalist who conducted this incredible interview of President Trump,
and she joins us now.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Reagan, thanks for being here.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Before we get into some of the news that you
broke in this interview, how was the president How would
you gauge his spirit and the focus that he brought
to the discussion.
Speaker 10 (45:12):
Well, I'll say from the second I walked into the
Oval office, I don't even think I had a step
in the.
Speaker 11 (45:17):
Door, and the President was ready for me.
Speaker 10 (45:18):
He was energetic, he was jolly, he was excited for
the interview. And I was so shocked when I woke
up Saturday morning and people were saying that the President
was dead because they hadn't seen him in a few
days because the president that I experienced was a very
alive President Trump, who was sharp, who was excited, who
(45:40):
was talking so in depth about so many different things,
his foreign policy, has, domestic policy. We're going on and
off the record, and I'll add Matt that he wanted
to keep the interview going. We hit an hour mark,
and his staff had told him multiple times, Hey, we
got to wrap this up. You have other things to
get to, but he wanted to keep going, and you know,
(46:01):
eventually he did have to get to the duties of
being a president that are outside an interview with myself,
but the president is all as well.
Speaker 11 (46:10):
With President Trump.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
I don't think Joe Biden could have gone an hour
with like the Huffington Post during his presidency.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
So that's great to hear.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
What were some of the issues that you really saw
getting the president excited and eager to make more changes
to save the country.
Speaker 10 (46:28):
Yeah, I mean we talked a lot about cleaning up
d C, but also cleaning up Chicago, cleaning up the.
Speaker 11 (46:34):
United States of America.
Speaker 10 (46:36):
I know he wants to go into Chicago immediately, but
I think he really wants to be invited in by
the governor. But I asked the President if he would
be open to reopening insane asylums to help clean up
the streets of DC, and that was something he floated,
and he told me about his own personal experience with
them growing up in New York and how he couldn't
(46:57):
believe that in New York they closed some of the
biggest ones and let those patients back out onto the streets,
and so that was definitely a topic that excited him.
We talked a lot about the Ukraine and Russia War.
He brought up over and over again just how I
think devastated he is by the loss of lives in
the Ukraine Russia War, and I think he's a little
(47:20):
bit frustrated that there hasn't been a solution yet, but
he also remains optimistic that they're going to get something done,
and he talked a little bit about those security guarantees
that he's willing to make.
Speaker 11 (47:30):
We talked about Israel and Hamas.
Speaker 10 (47:34):
One thing that I thought was notable about our conversation
was that he said he doesn't think Israel has the
influence it has over Congress as it did fifteen years ago,
and that was something that I think he was very
disappointed by and he wanted to talk about at length,
so so many things, but those would say, I would say,
are the Big Three?
Speaker 1 (47:53):
The big news coming out of a sitting president of
the United States saying that Israel has seem diminished support
in Congress certainly is making international international headlines right now.
Did the President have a basis a belief as to
why he thought Israel was losing this support in the
(48:13):
critical governing body of our country.
Speaker 10 (48:17):
Largely what our conversation touched on was he talked about
how fifteen years ago, if you wanted to run for
Congress or president, you weren't allowed to criticize Israel. And
he actually pointed to AOC and the Three as a
reason why that you're now able to critique Israel, or
that they're losing strength within Congress. And so, of course
(48:41):
he talked about his support for Israel. He said he's
done more for Israel than any other president, and I
think he.
Speaker 11 (48:47):
Largely is disappointed.
Speaker 10 (48:49):
But what I started my question with was I read
him some statistics about just America's support for Israel declining,
as well as young Republicans support for Israel. And you know,
I think the big question has been does the President
know that his base is starting to break on this,
and he said, yes, I'm very aware, and then he
pointed to the factors that I just named.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
I wonder what you're sensing at the Daily Caller around that.
I mean, do you do you see your viewers becoming
more willing to criticize some of the decisions of the
government of Israel than maybe we were used to in
previous iterations of Republican politics.
Speaker 10 (49:27):
Well, to answer that question, when I look at the
Daily Caller base, it is all Trump supporters and Trump loyalists,
and I've started to see some of those big Trump
loyalists who are starting to break with their support of Israel, MTG.
Speaker 11 (49:42):
Steve Bannon, etc.
Speaker 10 (49:44):
And so that was kind of what started to inspire
the question was, you know, what's going on here? Where
are we seeing this break? And so I think it's
something that's becoming more popular within the base. I think
largely it's still the unpopular position, but it's definitely something
that's starting to creep up, and Republicans aren't afraid to
(50:05):
voice their frustration anymore.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
None on this program are, particularly We don't agree Reagan Reese.
It was a tremendous interview. I encourage all of our
viewers go check it out at the Daily Caller. She
will take you from the global affairs, to the changes
in our economy here in the United States, to even
President Trump's views on insane asylums. Congrats on the get
and we hope you'll come back and share more of
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Speaker 11 (50:29):
Thanks so much, I appreciate it.
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The Florida State Seminoles got a little sweet revenge against Alabama.
It was even a dish served cold, and I will
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College football season is upon us, and seek one had
some just incredible storylines. Taylor Swift showed up at Nebraska's
opener with Travis Kelcey, and Husker fans went all Midwest crazy.
One guy in the stands even said I never thought
I'd see a day Nebraska actually scored this early NFL
Hall of Fame coach Bill Belichick has returned to the
(54:18):
college ranks, and not just for tinder matches these days.
His debut at UNC when so badly fans joked his
girlfriend should have been calling the plays because at least
she knows how to handle freshman mistakes. The Bengal Tigers
of LSU roared past the Clemson Tigers, Osa Ohio State
had a signature win over the Longhorns in Texas. The
Miami Hurricanes flew past the fighting Irish of Notre Dame
(54:40):
thanks to Carson Beck, the former Georgia quarterback who earned
a healthy four million dollar payout for taking his talents
to South Beach in his final year. We will cover
nil and how it's impacting sports and sports financing in
future programs, but The big news of the weekend came
from Tallahassee, Florida, where wh i alma mater, Florida State
(55:01):
University took on college football royalty and won big. Alabama
has been the bully of college football for years under
their legendary coach Nick Saban. He retired, and now the
Crimson Tide seems to be on an outflow. Florida State
beating Alabama in Week one is truly poetic.
Speaker 2 (55:19):
Let me paint the picture for you.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
During the twenty twenty three college football regular season, FSU
went undefeated thirteen to zero. Won every game in the
regular season, but during one of the final games, their quarterback,
Jordan Travis, broke his leg.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
So the NCAA, the.
Speaker 1 (55:38):
Adults in the room, the people who pick when the
kids get to play, and not play for championships, they
replaced the undefeated Florida State University team in the playoffs
with Alabama, a team that had lost a game, a
team that wasn't undefeated. This infuriated the Sunshine State Senator
Rick Scott even called for an investigation, but it seems
(56:01):
revenge is a dish best served cold. Here in twenty
twenty five, nobody expected the knowles to deliver a beat
down to Bama so dominant it makes President Trump's debate
against Biden look close. The Seminoles ultimately prevailed by a
score of thirty one to seventeen. We hear in Tuscaloosa
they're still trying to figure out if thirty one is
greater than seventeen.
Speaker 4 (56:21):
Go Noles.
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Senior officials are dropping faster than the vaccine injured.
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Over at the Center for Disease Control.
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We have a top official at the top of the
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science in the federal government. Plus, James Fishback is with
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accountability to the Federal Reserve.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
And President Trump just.
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We've got politics, Medican sin, and even a little sports tonight.
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President Trump is demanding transparency from Pfizer and other big
pharmaceutical companies regarding the effectiveness and impacts of the COVID vaccines.
The President fired off over the weekend. I hope Operation
Will Speed was brilliant as many say it was. If not,
we all want to know about it and why. Trump said.
These statements come as Health and Human Services Secretary RFK
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when she refused to step down. Four other CDC officials
followed her out the door, and that may be exactly
the swamp draining the people hoped for with the election
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to you about vaccines and about big pharma, and they
do so to protect their advertising dollars. First, they didn't
tell you about the vaccine potentially having any issues. Then
they didn't cover the extent of the myocarditis and the
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peri carditis. Real people were being devastated by side effects
from the vaccine. It became a concern, especially for men
under the age of thirty. There was even increased blood
plotting linked to the Johnson and Johnson and astrozenica vaccines.
It's almost certain that people are vaccine injured with blood
clots that they don't even realize the vaccine may have
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played a role in those injuries. FDA Chief Marty Mcarey
even Pennan op ed to The Wall Street Journal why
the FDA doesn't support COVID boosters forever. It's an interesting
read on this program. We don't allow dollars or dogmas
to get in the way of our pursuit of science.
President Trump calls for transparency, and we find those calls
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welcome here.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
So what will we learn?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Doctor Robert Malone was appointed by Secretary Robert F. Kennedy
Junior to serve on the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices
in June. ACIP is the CDC's chief advisory panel on
vaccine recommendations.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Doctor Mallow joins us.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Now, Doctor Malone, you've been a guiding light for so
many of our viewers on these questions, even before you
took on this current role. But I have to ask
you about the President's recent comments. Are vaccines tearing the
CDC apart?
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Certainly, the discussion about vaccine policy is become a major
flashpoint within the CDC, and Matt just to calibrate this.
Only ten percent of the CDC staff right now are
on site. That'll continue until September fifteenth. Consequent to the
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shooter who put some lead in the outside of the
CDC and unfortunately we lost a security officer, father of
a young family in that but nobody else. He didn't
enter the building. But the CDC staff have all been
on whether you want to call it fur lough er
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work at home and will continue through the fifteenth for
the so the place is hardly it's a ghost town
right now. Getting anything done there is that challenge, I'll
tell you. And then the experience at the ACIP, particularly
for the COVID work Group subcommittee, has been one of
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obstructionism and slow walking for weeks and weeks now over
the issue of what is referred to as the terms
of reference its internal bureaucracy slang for scope of work
for what the subcommittee will be allowed to investigate by
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the CDC staff. And my colleague Retzef Levy, who's the
chair of that group, would have none of that, and
he's pretty much gone to the mat. And one of
the things that it's important to understand about Retzev is
he's got ten years of service to the Israeli Defense Force,
so he's not easily intimidated.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
No, I can't imagine it would be.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
And I sort of chuckled, doctor Malone, because this is
an old Washington trick. If they if you're making progress
to change a system, they try to limit your scope
as much as possible and then layer as many different
layers above you and below you, so that if there
are good ideas that maybe gore someone's ox or impair
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their turf, that those ideas never get to the forefront. First,
I want to do more diagnosis here with you. When
you say that there is obstructionism and slow walking, what
do you attribute that to? Why are people doing that?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
So the.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Claim made by the rather prominent CDC leadership that resigned
last week rather spectacularly and then was on ABC News
and then just eviscerated on social media afterwards, was that
the secretary was politicizing the CDC and politicizing the science
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of the CDC.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
But as having had.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
A first person perspective on this, what I saw was
that together with Retsf, I was a co author, but
Retzf was on lead. What we have advocated for at
the working group level is what most people would concur
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is an objective scientific reevaluation of the safety and effectiveness
of these products. So the optics are that the obstructionism
had to do with resistance to independently assessing the conclusions
that CDC had arrived at concerning safety and effectiveness of
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these COVID products, And the optics are they really didn't
want us asking those questions or doing those investigations. And
basically the position was that the staff had the right
to determine what the ACIP was able to look at,
and that the ACIP should not look at things that
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have already been examined independently by CDC staff. So they've
already made their determination about the safety and effectiveness, and
we essentially were supposed to just accept that swallow it,
so to speak, without independently verifying, using well qualified academics
that have actually been doing rigorous studies and reporting what
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their findings are.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
So that was the.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Sticker, and they claimed on ABC News and other outlets,
oh my god, Bobby is politicizing this. But the truth
is that policy was never a subject of discussion.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
The subject of discussion.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Was scope of what would be looked at and whether
or not we would be allowed to get independent voices.
And remember, Matt, enough about the government. This is under
ACIP operates under the Federal Advisory Committee Act FAKA Act,
and FACA committees are supposed to be entirely independent, providing
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outside input to key administrators in the government. It's not
supposed to be a captured committee that does the bidding
of the bureaucrats within that agency.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
You'll correct me if I'm wrong, But what I remember
about the scientific method from high school is that retesting
is actually critically important to go back and challenge prior
assumptions and to see if new technologies or new theories unlock.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
A different way of thinking about something.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
That if we just if we just say, well, something's
been tested, so we have to we have to cast
that in concrete and never look at it again and
never question it again. That to me seems like an
assault on the scientific method, not an embrace of it.
And then the of course, you know, you you outline
the critique. Oh, this is this is hyper political. But
what I worry about doctor Malone is whether or not
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some of those other findings that they now want to
say are bronzed can never be questioned that they may
have been influenced by the desires of big pharma, the
desires of vaccine manufacturers. And when you say now that
you just get some folks in there who are experts
who want to look at these issues, you're told, oh, no, no, no,
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the staff gets to decide what you're allowed to look at.
Don't look there, don't look here. Does it feel to
you just like a good old fashioned cover up?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
These are not the drones you're looking for, right.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
It certainly reeks of that, And Matt, the good news
is that these individuals that have been obstructing, we could
say that they've self doged or self deported them from
the CDC.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
They're no longer there.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
And the good news is that the staff that have
been assigned to fill those roles now are being very cooperative.
We are developing an active partnership between the subcommittee and
those new individuals that are finally able to rise based
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on merit as opposed to DEI criteria.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
I mean that to be blunt. That's what's at the
core of this is this is.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
The residuum of Biden administration DEI policies, and I don't
want to feature the particular individual that has been spread
all over social media, after having been spread on the
front pages of various publications historically.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
But you know that the individual.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
That's been so obstructionist was put in this position as
a advocate for vaccine equity. This is an individual that
represents a select community, very active in HIV space. And
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this is the individual who was brought on as the
direct advisor to Rachelle Wolenski during the COVID crisis from
New York City and then was also the director. The individual,
not director, the individual appointed to be in charge of
the monkey pox policy. This is the individual that advocated
(11:34):
for universal monkey pox vaccination of American citizens using a
vaccine that was not designed for monkey pox. This is
md MPH with no scientific background, that is cloaking himself
in the science. Is basically parenting, not quite exactly the
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same words, but parenting. Tony Fauci's position of I represent
the science and these individuals here on this subcommittee don't,
and that that's just not okay.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
That is not science. That is something else.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
We could call authoritarianism, we could call it narcissism, a
lot of words we could use there, but it's it's
not in the interest of the American public. And kudos
to President Trump for a dropping this bombshell on True
Social Sunday Morning, in which he basically put Pfizer and Maderna,
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et cetera on notice that they've given him personally a
lot of happy talk, but he's sick and tired of it,
and he wants the truth just.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Like the rest of us. No, I think that just
want the data.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I don't think that science really bends to power, to
political power. And that's why I think a lot of
Americans are hopeful that the work you're doing, and that
and that Secretary count you're doing are durable no matter
which political party is in power. We believe that the
data and constant rigor and testing and questioning ourselves, you know,
should drive the public health policies of our country. But
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we've got, We've done, I think, a thorough job diagnosing
what's wrong there. I want to talk now about the remedy,
how to fix it. What you know in addition to
changing people, can you talk about the durable things that
you and Secretary Kennedy and other great Americans are working
on that we think can get broad based support so
that this doesn't become such a vexing wedge for the country.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Well, thank you, And it shouldn't be. We shouldn't. I've
said this so many times. It really.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
If there's one lesson from the COVID crisis, it's that
politicizing public health is a bad idea. We've seen a
lot of bad ideas, and that one has got to
be at the top of the list. So the initiative,
as you know, Matt, that's ongoing right now. And as
if this latest news cycle wasn't packed enough, very soon,
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in theory, we're supposed to have the drop of the
next MAHAK Commission report. The prior report was basically the
threat assessment, and the one that's about to drop is
the action plan.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
It's it's what are we gonna do about it?
Speaker 5 (14:20):
What are we going to do to keep our children
from being having shorter lives and being less healthy than
their parents? And that is the best answer I can
give to you right now. I'm not Secretary Kennedy. I
occasionally talk to him, but I am not his chief advisor.
I'm not Stephanie Spear. I don't know exactly what's going on,
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but I do have confidence in his commitment. I have
confidence in the tight shared interests between the President and
the Secretary in advancing the health of our children. Children
and families are central to both the President and the
Second Kerry. It's one of the things that binds them,
and they're both committed to advancing the health of not
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only all Americans, but particularly our youth.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, and certainly doctor Mullen.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Before we let you go, I do want to get
a sense of what your role will be in responding
to President Trump's call for transparency around these really operative questions.
What will you and the committee be doing so that
you fully respond to and vindicate what the President wants
on vaccine transparency.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Hey, again the caveat. This is my opinion.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
I don't represent the CDC or the ACIP or the
US government, But our answer from the ACIP and the
subcommittee will draw to the best of our ability given
the short timeline on September eighteenth and nineteenth at the
upcoming ACIP meeting, so you will see what our recommendations
are going forward relating to these products.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
And then the mission.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Space that we have managed to squeeze includes revisiting the
entire pediatric schedule, insisting on data for vaccine vaccine interactions,
insisting on controlled data, addressing these issues such as the
appropriateness of immediate after birth vaccination with hepatitis B vaccine,
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the importance and the appropriateness of the current vaccine schedule
for the human papillomavirus vaccine, and really everything else is
all on the table. Is this the right thing to
be doing, that we're doing, and what about the interactions
of these and remember another, as if things aren't busy enough,
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the Secretary has promised a major drop of information relating
to autism. And if I had to look in my
crystal ball, I speculate that what we might hear is
something about the interaction of Thailand all in the very
young together with things that are pro inflammatory, like say,
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for example, multiple vaccination, that may be part of the
issue associated with autism. I speculate, and many others are
saying so. But the Secretary made it clear that, as
he said in that very first press conference, he was
going to get to the bottom, to the best of
his ability, of the issue on the wave of autism.
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By this September, here we are it's showtime, and so
you can anticipate there's going to be some important announcements
associated with that very soon.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
That is quite the tease, and we definitely want to
have you back on toward the middle of the month
to really dive into that report and those findings in
the next steps that are to come. I recall as
a congressman the number of times doctor Malone, you came
before our committees and you said, nobody's listening. You brought science,
you brought facts, and now we're grateful you're in a
position to serve the public and work to really bring
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a lot of robust policy to the vision that we've
seen from President Trump and Secretary Kennedy.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Thanks as always for joining the program.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Thanks for having me on, Matt, carry on.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
And the Federal Reserve is in the news, not just
for interest rates. Looks like mortgage fraud, a lack of transparency,
and a battle Chairman James Fishback is a finance expert
who's here to break it all down and explain what
he's doing to make sure they are held accountable.
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Speaker 7 (20:51):
If you're going to be in charge of the Federal Reserve,
damn you better sure know how to fill out a
mortgage application. And boy, it's awfully weird that she potentially
saved a lot of money by making so called clerical
errors with a Jerom Powell. He's got to answer for
why he's not coming out and saying this is bad.
He's destroying the credibility to the Fed by not saying
that mortgage fraud is bad. See, the mortgage market is
(21:12):
very dependent on the credibility of the Fed, and.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
So it's concerning. That was the hammer.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Bill Poulti, President Trump's man over at the Federal Housing
Finance Corporation speaking to reporters about second mortgage fraud criminal
referrals against the Federal Reserve and battled Governor Lisa Cook.
We hadn't really heard about mortgage fraud until Poulti started
looking around. It turns out some of the worst people
in DC have been accused of telling lies to get
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better subsidized interest rates on second homes. Isn't that just
an interesting little elitist problem, using lies to get regular
folks to be backing your lower interest rate that you
don't deserve on your second home. Federal policy subsidizes lower
than market rate interest rates for people actually living in
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their home, their homestead. That's probably good public policy because
people need to have a home. But imagine the nerve
of Senator Adam Schiff or Attorney General of New York
Tis James and Fed Governor Lisa Cook for suggesting on
their paperwork that their home is a residence when it
in fact is an investment a second home. Most Americans
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here Federal Reserve meeting and imagine something out of a
sleep apnea study. But it's reasonable to ask, why are
the most powerful economic decisions in America happening behind closed doors.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Put it on c span.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Let us see who yawns, who doodles, and who actually
knows what a mortgage is. The FED should be turned
from a smoke filled backroom into primetime reality. Honestly, with
Powell at the mic and inflation at the door, I'd
tune in. And when Trump called out Fed Governor Lisa
Cook over her double dipping mortgage paperwork, our next guest,
James Fishback, didn't sit back. He didn't just tweet his
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thoughts in prayers. He's a major player in finance, and
he filed briefs, staked out positions, and showed up in
court like Perry Mason with a Bloomberg terminal. It's fashionable
for people in finance to stay in the shadows, quiet rooms,
glass towers, polite applause at Davos. Fishback missed that memo,
and let's be honest. This is where it gets fun
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because Fishback isn't just a finance guy. He's a showman.
He knows that politics is a performance art and he
plays it with gusto. While most CEOs are worried about
their LinkedIn headshots, this guy's in federal court filing open
government access cases, demanding that Powell stop hiding behind mahogany doors.
Joining us now the CEO of Azoria, James Fishback. James,
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you've been a bulldog going after the lack of transparency,
and accountability at the Federal Reserve. Where does some of
your more recent legal filing stand.
Speaker 8 (23:48):
Well, right here, right now, Matt. What we are attempting
to do is force the Federal Reserve to do something
they have not done in over half a century, and
that is to conduct their business in public views. So
much of why the Fed has gotten things so wrong
is because they're immune from public debate and criticism.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Matt.
Speaker 8 (24:06):
The reason why you've been able to call out government
when it's gone wrong is because you're able to witness
those government proceedings when they err. And so a natural
precondition on our First Amendment right to petition our government
is of course to know what our government is up to.
And so what we're trying to do now in the
federal court system in this case that my investment firm
has brought it's called Azoria v. Powell for Jerome Powell,
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of course, is to force the Federal Reserve into compliance
with the Sunshine Act of nineteen seventy six. That Act, Matt,
makes very clear, any multi member federal agency with appointees
from the President confirmed by the Senate must not a recommendation,
not a suggestion, must conduct its business in public view.
If we are successful, the FED will comply and for
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the first time ever, hold its meetings in public.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I wonder how they've been able to skirt this for
so long, and what do you think will learn and
if we get eyeballs on some of those deliberations and discussions.
Speaker 8 (25:04):
Well, the status quo is so damning because think about it.
They had a meeting in July. At that meeting, there
were two descents. And that might not sound like a
lot two descents, three descents, two descents, Matt, is the
most dissenting votes we've had at a FED meeting since
nineteen ninety three. And then, to add insult to injury,
within forty eight hours of that meeting, a third FED
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governor went on to resign without explanation. That was Audreyanic Kuglo.
That's how we got this vacancy. That President Trump appointed
Steve Morant, who is going to be a great FED governor.
Now we think about it, that meeting at the end
of July, when will we know what was said in
that meeting. We won't know until July twenty thirty five
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full years, Matt. They will withhold those transcripts from public view.
Say what you want about progressive school boards and places
like California and Illinois, at least they have the common
courtesy of defending that woke nonsense in public. We can
go up there and call them out for it. We
don't even know what the Fed's doing, let alone have
the opportunity to be able to call them out. So
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if we can bring this nonsense into public view, I
suspect the entire house of cards will fall. The idea
that for five straight meetings in twenty twenty five since
President Trump took office, they've refused to raise rates. They
cut rates by the largest amount in more than four
years right before the election to throw Kamala Harris a lifeline,
and now that inflation is not at but below the
fed's target Matt, they refuse to do nothing because a
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man named Donald J. Trump is in the White House.
When that meeting comes into public view, their entire rationale,
which is economically illiterate and deeply Unamerican, begins to fall apart.
And at that point we can begin to lower rates
and deliver relief for Americans who have worked so hard.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
It's not just the process you've been critical of, it's
also the policy outcomes from the FED, as you just
laid out. So when we think about Fed shair Jerome Powell,
how do you think he's let the country down?
Speaker 2 (26:55):
And what do you think the fundamental.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Miscalculation is that he's made to justify not lowering rates
and giving people more.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Access to capital.
Speaker 8 (27:05):
Such a great question, because I think we often get
caught up in the personality of too late this and
too late that. Let's talk about it from an economic standpoint.
I spent the last decade trading interest rate derivatives at
a hedge fund, and so my job, quite literally, Matt,
was to read everything that Jerome Powell and before him,
Yellen ever said and to try to estimate what the
models would say they would do next. What Jerome Powell
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suffers from is this what if disorder? What if the
tariffs go wrong? What if they trigger second and third
round inflationary effects. My response to that is very simple.
The tariffs have been in effect now for eight months
and there hasn't even been a modicum of evidence that
they are inflationary, let alone that they're going to trigger
this inflationary spiral. This is the same guy, Matt, that
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when he was staring at seven eight percent inflation in
twenty twenty one. In early twenty twenty two, he said,
what if this is transitory? He gave that the benefit
of the doubt when clearly it didn't deserve it. What
President Trump deserves and tariffs deserve, is the benefit of
the doubt. They've been in effect now for eight months.
We have inflation that's averaged one point nine percent annualized
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since the President took office. No academic empirical research points
to inflation contributing to the sort of sustained inflation that
the FED is trying to combat. Therein lies the issue,
and so the problem with Powell, really, at the end
of the day, is an economic one. He thinks that
keeping rates this high is going to somehow curtail the
terriff effects, when all they're doing is reducing the housing affordability,
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making it harder for Americans across our home state. Matt,
you out in Okaloosa County, me and Santa Rosa, and
me and Madison County. I'm thinking with different counties now
to think about how we can afford our homes. Look,
if you can't afford a home, you can't start a family.
If you can't start a family, you cannot achieve the
promise of the American dream. And so what Jerome Powell
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was doing at the end of the day is having
massive downstream societal effects.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
It's so true that the way housing is indext right
now is shaping American life and people's prospects for a
human existence in a way that's very detrimental compared to
our parents and grandparents. There are sources in Washington telling
me that the FED chair's days may soon.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Be numbered if that were to happen.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
You know, all the players, Is there a particular profile
or even a particular individual you're looking at to say,
that's who I'm rooting for. That's what's going to make
my investors more money, that's what's going to make the
country more prosperous.
Speaker 8 (29:32):
Well, Matt, As you know, it's never over until the
President says it's over, and he has a real knack,
real instinct for picking these folks out. There are two
candidates that I really like for this position. I like
Steve Moran, who's now going to be a FED governor
with the hopeful grace of the United States, and he
has a hearing this Thursday. He's been the CEA, the
Council of Economics chair under the President. I think it's
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Steve Waller, that Chris Waller would be a great choice
as well. He's a current FED governor. Less keen on him,
more so on Marie. But I think that the President
has a really unique opportunity here, not as some in
the mainstream media want to portray as someone who's going
to be slavish to the President, but no, someone who's
going to be focused squarely on the data, focused on
the data, and the data is clear. Tariffs are not inflationary,
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the inflation problem is solved, and high rates are holding
back President Trump's golden age, and so on those three fronts,
it makes sense for the next FED share to really
go out there. I mean, Matt, I worked at a
hedge fund, as I said, for ten years, and I
got calls from the Fed every couple of weeks asking
me how I was thinking about the interest rate market
and what was likely to come from the Fed. Matt,
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has the fedever called you or Ginger to ask about
what you guys think and what's to come for your
beautiful son's legacy? Congrats again, I'm lucky. The truth is
that average Americans have zero inputs zero say, zero feedback
on what the FED is doing. And I'm not saying
we should turn us into an institution that focuses solely
on the passions of the public, but at least the
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public should have some buy in, some say, some feedback
on the awesome responsibilities that the Federal Reserve is endowed with.
So a chair that shows up in Okaloosa County, in
Madison County, in Broward County, and counties all across our state,
in our country, that's the kind of share that President
Trump should pick. Who can represent folks from all walks
of life.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
It will certainly be interesting.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
I mean, there's a group of people who meet in
secret who basically decide what everything costs, including where you live,
the stuff you eat, and James Fishback wants to make
sure that you at least get to see what the
deliberative process looks like. CEO of Azuria, thank you so
much for joining us on the program and keep it
real down it in Madison County.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Thanks Matt.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Coming up, we'll examine what's going on with China and
the desire to have more Chinese students in the United States.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Is that a good idea? Is there a way.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Maybe more Chinese activity at American universities could be to
the detriment of the Middle Kingdom. I'll discuss it with
Sam Kluber after a break.
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China's having a massive military parade that President Putin and Kim.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
John Wan will be attending.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
Do you interpret that as a challenge to this I
are you've concerned at all about those countries.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Counterweight? Not at all.
Speaker 7 (34:25):
China needs us, and I have a very good relationship
with President she is, you know, but China needs us
much more than we need them China.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
We wonder how America can ever either isolate or battle
the most populous country on Earth.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
China seeks to dominate the world.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
They bully their neighbors, they provide cheap goods to US customers,
and President Trump has heroically reset the rules of the
game on trade with China, and of course, the Supreme
Court should vindicate President Trump's bold actions by getting rid
of this lower court decision that is standing in the
way of American progress and greatness and success.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
America also wants to.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Win the battle for the future against China, and who
wouldn't want to. There are people under the age of thirty,
more of them, more people under the age of thirty
in China than there are total Americans. So the Trump
administration faces a challenging question. How do we incentivize young
people in China to change China for the better while
(35:25):
also not funding and educating the next generation of talented tyrants.
Six hundred thousand student visas for Chinese, that's what's being
considered discussed. The amount that would be considered has oscillated
at times, and we wanted to learn more about what
this means for our country and our relationship with the
Middle Kingdom. Joining us now is one of the board
(35:47):
members of American Growth and Innovation Forum, Sam Keebler. So, Sam,
what's your take on the Chinese students in US universities?
Speaker 9 (35:55):
Hey, Matt, great to be with you. And yeah, it's
quite an interesting news coming out of the administration. I
think it left a lot of your former colleagues in
Congress scratching their heads at what the administration plans to
do here. As you know, President Trump announced that it
allows six hundred Chinese students to come here and get
(36:18):
their education here in the US. And you know, I'm
not sure if that's the right move, but you know,
I believe it's part of his trade plan with China.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Yeah, there's no question that this issue of the Chinese
students has some interplay with these broader economic discussions and
who knows, maybe even some of the security discussions that
are always part of the US Sino relationship. What do
you think is the right number of Chinese students in
US universities? And if that number is zero, how do
(36:49):
you win the future of China?
Speaker 9 (36:52):
Sure, as you may know, there's about two hundred and
fifty thousand Chinese students here in the US right now.
That's about twenty five percent of the international base here
in the US. And that's actually down from just over
I think it was around three hundred thousand plus pre COVID,
So that number is down, And I'm not sure if
there's a right number, but I think the right policy
(37:15):
is making sure we know who is really coming into
the US and who shvere and who isn't and you
know who is involved with the CCP.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Yeah, I'm I'm increasingly concerned about these Confucius institutes that
we've seen as a center of activity for information gathering,
for the recruitment of students, for the management of the
careers of students in a particular areas. That doesn't anure
to the benefit of the United States. It agnures to
the benefit of China. But I have a theory, Sam, Okay,
(37:45):
I'm gonna throw it at you. Our universities for the
most part, have become such cesspools of failure and liberalism
and wokeism and just counterintuitiveness to progress.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Let all the Chinese students into them that you want.
This could be like.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Our COVID that we give back to them. Send over
your talented students, China. We will put them in our
universities that have gone genderless and purple haired and you'll
get back a bunch of Hello, kiddy freaks. What do
you think about my plan to combat China with the
unconventional warfare of our woke and nutty institutions of higher learning?
Speaker 9 (38:21):
You know, Matt, you might be onto something. This could
be a nice dish back to China. And you know,
as Secretary of Commerce, Lutnix mentioned that, you know, some
of these business or some of these universities may go
out of business without these students. So I think either
way it's you know, we might come out on top here.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah, it was always interesting to me that you're right
about the donations that like follow the students, right, because
these universities they charge just absolutely astronomical rates for these
Chinese students, and then there are donations into the foundations
of the universities to support it, and then oftentimes the
US at the universities get to go on their trips
(39:02):
to China. So it's in some ways a corrupt symbiotic
relationship between the worst features of American higher ed and
some of the most concerning parts of China's approach to
information control.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (39:16):
I couldn't agree more. And you know, here at the
American growth in an innovation form. I think some of
the policies we're advocating for is kind of a way
to move beyond this cess school as you mentioned, from
international students to promoting American workforce policies. A lot of
these large US businesses, you know, Amazon, Cisco, AT and T,
(39:36):
they investing in trades for Americans, and I think we
should really be focused on Americans first and perhaps look
outside the box and maybe US universities maybe isn't the
right the right call.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
It's going to be interesting to see the way higher
ed changes with democratization to answers right. I mean, people
had to go to universities for great study before the
internet because that was the thinking that you had the
intellectuals and the elites, and proximity mattered. But now beyond
the Internet into AI where people are able to design
(40:12):
their own curriculum. Do you think that ten years from
now colleges will look the.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Same and maybe obsolete.
Speaker 9 (40:19):
I think it's already We're already sitting that happened now
for the first time in years. You know, I'm talking
to you know, niece's nephews that are you know, reconsidering,
you know, going to college. It's it's the ROI isn't
there for everyone, and people are asking the right questions.
So I think in ten years our education system will
look totally different.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
What do you think brings those powers to be to
bear in hid?
Speaker 9 (40:46):
Well, you know, it's it's stems all the way from
the top, and you look at just you know, as
you mentioned, you look decades, goes back and forth.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
And it just the ROI is not there.
Speaker 9 (40:59):
And I think are our US companies are going to
be the ones pushing for these changes because ultimately they're
the ones who are going to get hiring these people.
And if they can't get the right talent, then you know,
nature will take its course.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
I don't know that a whole lot of Fortune one
hundred companies are super eager to hire the next person
with their master's degree and like intersectional gender studies. But
we'll see, and I think it's a time of great evolution.
Sam Keebler, thanks as always for coming on the program
and sharing your expertise.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Thanks Matt and coming up.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
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As the Israel and Gaza conflict continues, questions about America's
support for Israel and their continued engagement in the conflict
are at the forefront of a lot of foreign policy
and political conversations. Over the weekend, The Daily Caller conducted
in an interview with President Trump on exactly this subject,
and his view on the matter sent shock waves through
the internet. He said, the Israel lobby in Washington, d C.
(44:27):
Isn't as strong as it once was and is losing
its grip on Congress. President Trump said Israel needs to
end the war because it's hurting Israel. Especially in the
world of public relations and public opinion. We know President
Trump has been advocating for an end to this conflict
to bring about peace in the Middle East, But how
long can Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyah, who withstand this
continued decline in public sentiment about in Israel. Joining us
(44:51):
now is Reagan Reese, White House correspondent for The Daily Caller.
She's the journalist who conducted this incredible interview of President Trump,
and she joins us now.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Reagan, thanks for being here.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
Before we get into some of the news that you
broke in this interview, how was the president How would
you gauge his spirit and the focus that he brought
to the discussion.
Speaker 10 (45:12):
Well, I'll say from the second I walked into the
Oval office, I don't even think I had a step
in the.
Speaker 11 (45:17):
Door, and the President was ready for me.
Speaker 10 (45:18):
He was energetic, he was jolly, he was excited for
the interview. And I was so shocked when I woke
up Saturday morning and people were saying that the President
was dead because they hadn't seen him in a few
days because the president that I experienced was a very
alive President Trump, who was sharp, who was excited, who
(45:40):
was talking so in depth about so many different things,
his foreign policy, has, domestic policy. We're going on and
off the record, and I'll add Matt that he wanted
to keep the interview going. We hit an hour mark,
and his staff had told him multiple times, Hey, we
got to wrap this up. You have other things to
get to, but he wanted to keep going, and you know,
(46:01):
eventually he did have to get to the duties of
being a president that are outside an interview with myself,
but the president is all as well.
Speaker 11 (46:10):
With President Trump.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
I don't think Joe Biden could have gone an hour
with like the Huffington Post during his presidency.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
So that's great to hear.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
What were some of the issues that you really saw
getting the president excited and eager to make more changes
to save the country.
Speaker 10 (46:28):
Yeah, I mean we talked a lot about cleaning up
d C, but also cleaning up Chicago, cleaning up the.
Speaker 11 (46:34):
United States of America.
Speaker 10 (46:36):
I know he wants to go into Chicago immediately, but
I think he really wants to be invited in by
the governor. But I asked the President if he would
be open to reopening insane asylums to help clean up
the streets of DC, and that was something he floated,
and he told me about his own personal experience with
them growing up in New York and how he couldn't
(46:57):
believe that in New York they closed some of the
biggest ones and let those patients back out onto the streets,
and so that was definitely a topic that excited him.
We talked a lot about the Ukraine and Russia War.
He brought up over and over again just how I
think devastated he is by the loss of lives in
the Ukraine Russia War, and I think he's a little
(47:20):
bit frustrated that there hasn't been a solution yet, but
he also remains optimistic that they're going to get something done,
and he talked a little bit about those security guarantees
that he's willing to make.
Speaker 11 (47:30):
We talked about Israel and Hamas.
Speaker 10 (47:34):
One thing that I thought was notable about our conversation
was that he said he doesn't think Israel has the
influence it has over Congress as it did fifteen years ago,
and that was something that I think he was very
disappointed by and he wanted to talk about at length,
so so many things, but those would say, I would say,
are the Big Three?
Speaker 1 (47:53):
The big news coming out of a sitting president of
the United States saying that Israel has seem diminished support
in Congress certainly is making international international headlines right now.
Did the President have a basis a belief as to
why he thought Israel was losing this support in the
(48:13):
critical governing body of our country.
Speaker 10 (48:17):
Largely what our conversation touched on was he talked about
how fifteen years ago, if you wanted to run for
Congress or president, you weren't allowed to criticize Israel. And
he actually pointed to AOC and the Three as a
reason why that you're now able to critique Israel, or
that they're losing strength within Congress. And so, of course
(48:41):
he talked about his support for Israel. He said he's
done more for Israel than any other president, and I
think he.
Speaker 11 (48:47):
Largely is disappointed.
Speaker 10 (48:49):
But what I started my question with was I read
him some statistics about just America's support for Israel declining,
as well as young Republicans support for Israel. And you know,
I think the big question has been does the President
know that his base is starting to break on this,
and he said, yes, I'm very aware, and then he
pointed to the factors that I just named.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
I wonder what you're sensing at the Daily Caller around that.
I mean, do you do you see your viewers becoming
more willing to criticize some of the decisions of the
government of Israel than maybe we were used to in
previous iterations of Republican politics.
Speaker 10 (49:27):
Well, to answer that question, when I look at the
Daily Caller base, it is all Trump supporters and Trump loyalists,
and I've started to see some of those big Trump
loyalists who are starting to break with their support of Israel, MTG.
Speaker 11 (49:42):
Steve Bannon, etc.
Speaker 10 (49:44):
And so that was kind of what started to inspire
the question was, you know, what's going on here? Where
are we seeing this break? And so I think it's
something that's becoming more popular within the base. I think
largely it's still the unpopular position, but it's definitely something
that's starting to creep up, and Republicans aren't afraid to
(50:05):
voice their frustration anymore.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
None on this program are, particularly We don't agree Reagan Reese.
It was a tremendous interview. I encourage all of our
viewers go check it out at the Daily Caller. She
will take you from the global affairs, to the changes
in our economy here in the United States, to even
President Trump's views on insane asylums. Congrats on the get
and we hope you'll come back and share more of
your trip journalism with us soon.
Speaker 11 (50:29):
Thanks so much, I appreciate it.
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The Florida State Seminoles got a little sweet revenge against Alabama.
It was even a dish served cold, and I will
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Speaker 1 (53:57):
College football season is upon us, and seek one had
some just incredible storylines. Taylor Swift showed up at Nebraska's
opener with Travis Kelcey, and Husker fans went all Midwest crazy.
One guy in the stands even said I never thought
I'd see a day Nebraska actually scored this early NFL
Hall of Fame coach Bill Belichick has returned to the
(54:18):
college ranks, and not just for tinder matches these days.
His debut at UNC when so badly fans joked his
girlfriend should have been calling the plays because at least
she knows how to handle freshman mistakes. The Bengal Tigers
of LSU roared past the Clemson Tigers, Osa Ohio State
had a signature win over the Longhorns in Texas. The
Miami Hurricanes flew past the fighting Irish of Notre Dame
(54:40):
thanks to Carson Beck, the former Georgia quarterback who earned
a healthy four million dollar payout for taking his talents
to South Beach in his final year. We will cover
nil and how it's impacting sports and sports financing in
future programs, but The big news of the weekend came
from Tallahassee, Florida, where wh i alma mater, Florida State
(55:01):
University took on college football royalty and won big. Alabama
has been the bully of college football for years under
their legendary coach Nick Saban. He retired, and now the
Crimson Tide seems to be on an outflow. Florida State
beating Alabama in Week one is truly poetic.
Speaker 2 (55:19):
Let me paint the picture for you.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
During the twenty twenty three college football regular season, FSU
went undefeated thirteen to zero. Won every game in the
regular season, but during one of the final games, their quarterback,
Jordan Travis, broke his leg.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
So the NCAA, the.
Speaker 1 (55:38):
Adults in the room, the people who pick when the
kids get to play, and not play for championships, they
replaced the undefeated Florida State University team in the playoffs
with Alabama, a team that had lost a game, a
team that wasn't undefeated. This infuriated the Sunshine State Senator
Rick Scott even called for an investigation, but it seems
(56:01):
revenge is a dish best served cold. Here in twenty
twenty five, nobody expected the knowles to deliver a beat
down to Bama so dominant it makes President Trump's debate
against Biden look close. The Seminoles ultimately prevailed by a
score of thirty one to seventeen. We hear in Tuscaloosa
they're still trying to figure out if thirty one is
greater than seventeen.
Speaker 4 (56:21):
Go Noles.
Speaker 1 (56:22):
We'll be ready next week. That's all the time we have.
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