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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Former Congressman George Santos has just been released from prison
thanks to a commutation by President Trump. He joins us
this hour to bring us through an iconic series of experiences.
The No King's movement had quite the weekend. Mike Ben's
was out among the leftists. He'll share that experience at
the top of the show. And more bloodshed and gaza.
We're going to hear from journalists who are covering the
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facts on the ground closely. It's all next on the
Mack Gates Show. Let's do this shaking up Washington, d C.
We're breaking the fever. Do you ever watch this guy
on television? It's like a machine. He's great, Matt Gates.
This weekend we saw the nation's liberal lonely losers gather
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in No Kings protests around the country. Some were crowded,
some were downright pathetic. The No King's protests did seem
to bring out a cast of strange characters. We've inspotted
this elderly lesbian who looks like a dehydrated George Conway.
If this is what democracy looks like? Woof. But at
least some took the occasion to burn a few calories.
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I can't tell if this is a resistance political movement
or sweat into the oldies. I don't know if this
is about power for the people either. It seems a
lot more like protest for the comfortable. The No King's
crowd says they are standing up to tyranny. But here's
the twist. The man they're snarling at, Donald Trump, didn't
ascend to a throne. He won an election fair and square.
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Now they're organizing marches and photo ops. Meanwhile, Trump is
rescuing the economy, securing the border, deporting the illegals, and
trying to get fools around the world to stop killing
each other. Those who protest will tell you it's about authoritarianism.
They'll say that Trump's using the troops to stir up
fear and push power. But there's a difference between authority
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and responsibility. A true Marshall s shows up when the
outlaws ride into town. He doesn't ask for permission from
the bartender. He doesn't make signs or pink hats. He
just acts. And that's exactly the moment we're living in.
While the No Kings folks are organizing their next flash mob,
the folks keeping America safe, the troops, Border patrol, ice
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men and women in uniform. They're waiting for Congress to
finish this silly poker game. But Trump said I'll pay
them anyway. He said I'll do the job anyway. That's
not the behavior of a king. That's the behavior of
a marshal who knows the town needs saving, not someone
with an ego craving a crown. A king says bow
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to me or suffer. A marshall says, I'm here for you,
even when the law has forgotten you. Trump took office.
The last guy who was in there tried to throw
him in jail, and yet here he is still standing,
elected by the people. While the No King's crowd pretends
elections don't matter, Trump is the living consequence, the living
embodiment of victory. They cry no Kings, yet treat the
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election result like a trivia question. So what did we
learn this weekend? That protesters can march, chant, wave flags,
make noise. That's the right of any free people. But
the difference lies in what they do after the noise stops.
Do they keep the peace, do they turn violent? Or
do they just keep complaining? While the No Kings rallies
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show us that people with signs can go and wave
a lot and maybe at times attract a crowd. President
Trump is showing up with action, and while they're chanting
in the streets, he's signing paychecks, while they stage photo ops,
he's signing funding for the folks who stand the watch.
That's the leadership test, that's the reckoning. So do the
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No King's crowd, keep your chance, keep your signs, because
the enemies we face don't care how loud you yell.
What matters is who's willing to ride into the fight
and take on the outlaws. Because in the battle for
power in Washington, it's not about who wants a crown.
It's about who's willing to fight for you when others
have abandoned you. No Kings. Half of these protesters look
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like they've been bowing to every king of soy lattes
and social media trends for years. They say Trump's a king,
But last I checked, kings don't get indicted by their jesters.
Joining us now, the executive director of the Foundation for
Freedom Online, Mike Ben's So, Mike, describe your experience at
the Washington d C. No King's Rally.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
It was a total dud that it felt completely flat.
In my view, I was calling it a coup de flat.
It just the whole thing just completely flopped as I
saw it. I went in the morning to actually get
my Dunkin Donuts coffee and I just walked by kind
of the early scene of them gathering on the National Mall,
and the first thing I see after the music is
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a guy in a formal USAID government outfit handing out
papers to.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
A group of people.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
They look to be instructions for probably the day's events,
and it kind of looked like one of these matrix agents.
And I equipped that this scene has played out in
country after country, big city after big city around the
world for the past thirty years. I mean, you could
even hear Jeffrey Sax's testimony about USAID bussing people in
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for the Maidan Square Revolution in twenty fourteen in Ukraine,
and USAID organizing the riots and protests during the Arab Spring,
and in Poland and the Czech Republic, in Romania, and
god knows how many Latin American and North African countries.
So I just think it's so funny that we're at
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this point now where these things usually need a spark
to turn into a flame, and they're trying to make
fetch happen. They're trying to make a color revolution happen.
But there is no kind of there's nothing that solidly
keeps these protesters together other than they just don't like Trump.
But there's nothing they can really point to other than
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things like forty four billion dollars in foreign aid to
other countries to rally around, And so the whole thing
is just kind of keeping bodies on the street until
a spark happens to ignite, which I think is what
they're hoping for.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Well, I saw your videos of those folks in the
USAID shirts, and I thought, isn't it fitting that as
a consequence of Mike Ben's's work, people who used to
be at USAID have a lot more time on their
hands now and are not always pulling the strings of
every government around the world. But I did want to
get to what you just mentioned about, like, what is
the organizing principle of all this beyond Trump bad? I
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can't really draw out a specific list of grievances other
than kind of what democrats have been complaining about since
the nineteen seventies. Is there anything that appears to be
really animating or motivating the activism here.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Well, when all you have is a hammer, everything like
a nail. And for thirty years since the end of
the Cold War, the hammer that we've used in order
to overthrow democratically elected governments has been in that country
has an autocracy. They may have voted for it, but
it's functioning like an autocracy. So in Hungary they democratically
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voted for Orbon. He's hugely popular, but it's an autocracy.
So that justifies us overthrowing the government that people voted
for democratically in the name of democracy. Same thing in
El Salvador. All the protests in El Salvador went away
as soon as the USAID money went away. Even the
President of Mexico, Claudia Scheinbaum, embraced the shutdown of USAID.
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That has been used to control internal politics there. So
you have There was a great article in Notice about
four months ago which was sent It was like a
warning and it was defending USAID employees and warning the
Trump administration that it was a big mistake to shut
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down USAID because now you've unleashed all of these professional
government toppling specialists. I mean, it is a professional class,
and this is an important thing for.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
The audience to understand.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
It is a professional vocation, a career track to learn
how to and to network with the organizations who professionally
topple governments on behalf of the State Department, the Central
Intelligence Agency, USAID and their donor drafter class in the
private equity and hedge fund and multinational corporate world who
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make the profits off of post coup governments. And so
what you have here is they're calling it no Kings
as trying to kind of make the argument that this
is an autocracy. Of course, it's hilarious because they're partnered
with these global networks in Canada and the United Kingdom
who all have kings, and so they've had to rebrand
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in different countries. There is a funny scene in London
where they're little London Network protested outside the US Embassy
in London saying no US Kings and here they are
embracing their own monarchy. But it's very incoherent right now,
because we're less than a year out from an overwhelming
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Democratic victory, clean sweep House of Representatives, Senate Electoral College
popular vote. The entire thing was democratically voted for. It
is the exact opposite of a king like monarchy. But again,
when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like
a nail. All of these NGOs are set up for
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democracy promotion against autocracy. That's how they get their five
to one C three, that's how they get tax deductibility status.
So they have to call it an autocracy, even if
it's the farthest thing from.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
And then the question is really before us, what's next
in the playbook? Right if you've got this loosely organized,
no real organizing, pri spasm of some level of enthusiasm,
what do they do with it?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Well, I think at this point what they need is
a spark, someone to be killed allah in the George
Floyd situation, someone to light themselves on fire Allah. The
Arab spring, how that kicked off with the Tunisian food vendor.
Just in last year in Bangladesh, they organized the Color
Revolution on the basis of a police pulling over a
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couple young people and they use that as the spark
against the state. But there really is no kind of
mobilizing thing on that right now. And also the fact
that the Internet has opened up, and even if something
like that does break the ability to get information out
quickly on x To be able to get it out
on YouTube and Facebook as they're opening up really hurts
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the leverage to do that.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
So right now they're really.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Leaning into the international community. Even this fight that just
played out this week around the UN carbon tax through
their International Maritime Organization out of the UN was effectively
a way to recoup USAID money. This was effectively a
ten to twelve billion dollar tax on American shipping companies
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to go into the coffers of a international aid fund
run by the UN. And the EU has opened up
all these new aid funding venues, NATO is pivoting into
this civil affairs aid funding and they're all trying to
offset this fifty billion dollar pot. But that's also what
funds these groups and gets them quote capacity building. And
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this is why there was a great tell all by
Samantha Power just last week when she was prank called
by Russians thinking that they were Belarusians, thinking that it
was the kind of USAID funded Belarusian opposition and they
turned out to be Russians, and she confessed quite a
bit on your fifteen minute conversation with them, and what
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she said, is that she feels depressed because so many
of these NGOs are not just temporarily non operative, but
they're forced to go out of business, and so all
of their network connections dry up, and so you need
the money to keep these things going institutionally. Otherwise these
people have to get real jobs.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
They have to go out and your point about this
being tradecraft and a career you get into the career
of toppling governments. One thing that all of the folks
in that space know is your list building and your
nurturing of your network is twenty four to seven and
if that isn't resourced for a period of time, there
is a high rate of atrophy to that. So that's
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almost the admission that you get in the Samantha Power
tell All. Now, one thing a lot of these folks
are talking about in their grievance is the presence of
these National Guard forces to effectuate the deportation agenda. And like,
even there they can't stay on message. There's an example
I want to showcase. Mark Bennioff is the CEO of
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Sales Force. He had initially said Trump should send in
the National Guard and now has had to issue an
apology for that. In reference to San Francisco, he says,
I do not believe the National Guard is needed to
address safety in San Francisco. My earlier comment came from
an abundance of caution around the event, and I sincerely
apologize for the concern it caused. So now even from
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the C suite, you are getting an oscillation. What is
the signal in that to you, Mike bens.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Well, there's a civil war right now within the Democrat
Party over this. As you surely know, Matt walking around DC.
It's weirdly safe around here. It's weirdly clean around here.
As soon as Trump sent in the National Guard to DC,
the murder rate dropped. We had the longest streak without murders,
I think, in a couple of decades. And it feels cleaner, safer,
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nicer than it ever has before. And Mayor Bowser said
that she welcomed the National Guard to stay indefinitely. This
caused an apoplectic reaction from Normisen and Jennifer Rubin, who
immediately went on a podcast attacking the mayor of DC
for giving Trump a victory. And even if it does
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reduce crime, it's still very bad optically to be cooperating
with the dictator. And so you know what Mark Benioff
feels deep inside. But when you're prone to these commercial pressures,
he doesn't want to happen to salesforce what happened to
Elon Musk at Tesla, where people are now canceling contracts
or they're hosting protests, or he's losing big B to
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B clients because of his position on being close to
Trump or giving Trump a victory. So but we know
how he really feels. This is now it's kind of
all over.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
But the crime and Norm Eisen and Jennifer Rubin would
never go to the neighborhoods where regular Americans are have
to deal with the impact of crime. And we're certainly
glad President Trump has cleaned it up, and we're glad
you are out there at the No Kings protests so
I don't have to be Mike Ben's, executive director of
the Foundation for Freedom Online. Thanks as always for coming
on the program, Thanks Bett and coming up free at last.
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Former New York Congressman George Santos has seen his sentence
commuted from prison and he joins us after a quick break.
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Speaker 1 (17:36):
Welcome back to the Matt Gates Show. We're the only
thing more surprising than Congress is who ends up on
the program after federal prison. Before we bring former Congressman
George Santos here, it's worth noting an interesting trend. Some
politicians promise transparency. George Santos gave us the deluxe HD version,
complete with costume changes. Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Green was the
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loudest advocate for releasing Santos after he'd been given a
seven year prison sentence. She made the point on our
program that President Trump had a great opportunity to act.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
It's absolutely horrific what is happening to George Santos.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
He should get a pardon immediately.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
George is really suffering and he should not be in
solitary confinement.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
He should receive a pardon.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
It's been enough.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
President Trump came through. He commuted the sentence of the
former congressman. We noticed this when a lot of these
policymakers get out of prison, they often become enthusiasts for
prison reform as a passion project. Listen to Steve Bannon
reflect on his time behind bars and what he learned.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
These young men get there, they have twenty years of
their life are going to be spent in the confines
of Danbury Prison.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
That's hard.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
It was hard for me for four months. For twenty
five years. When you're twenty five years old, a could
break a person. I've tried to get involved with Jared
and Peter on a prison reform The article the article
the First Step Act was absolutely brilliant of what Jared
and you and these guys worked on to get through.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
It was not been implemented.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
The federal prison system is set up to break families.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Trump's tariff whisperer, Peter Navarro, also went to prison. He's
an economist, so he came out with some pretty meaningful
ways to save money.
Speaker 7 (19:17):
I went in there as an inmate and spend all
my time there as an investigative reporter, uncovered a five
billion dollar taxpayer scandal, and I've actually solved that problem.
They've changed the policy in precisely your ways I recommended
from prison. You know it wasn't worth going there for
that at one level, but at least I say the
taxpayer's five billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Will Former New York Congressman George Santos be the next
prison reformer. He's been called the Gadsby of queens, the
Picasso of personal branding, and the only man who could
make LinkedIn blush. But through it all, he's proven one
thing you can't cancel, George Santos, And the comeback tour
continues right now. Former New York Congressman George Santos joined
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to us. Now, George, it is so great to have
you back on the program and out of prison. How
has prison changed you?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Matt? Thank you so much.
Speaker 8 (20:09):
I just wanted to start off by saying to you
in your audience, thank you for being who you are
and how you are never changed. I want to say
prison was rough forty one days in a special housing
unit known as a shoe in isolated confinement. Was it
not something I thought would happen. That's when you really
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take a lot into perspective. And it's a very sobering moment.
And I gotta tell you, I'm looking back and hearing
clips of me just literally three months ago, prior to
into prison, and I can tell you I was intoxicated
by a poison called hate that when you let fester
inside of.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Your soul, it can lead you to absolutely chaos.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
Now to you as a former colleague of mine, and
we were together in Congress, and I'm I say this
everybody for my past transgressions. And I have a complete
new mission and outlook in life for the future thanks
to President Trump. I mean, without him today, I'd probably
be sitting still in camp in Camp ferretson over there
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at the FCI Ferrets and under the gazel eyes of
the awful Warden Kelly.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
But today I'm home. I'm with my family. As you
can see, my macaws are behind me.
Speaker 8 (21:24):
I mean, it's you just there's no money in life
that can pay for this.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
This is what wealth looks like, being home with your
family and your loved ones around you.
Speaker 8 (21:33):
And I got to say thank you to President Trump
and to all those involved who were who work tirelessly,
and I know you're a Bungstom Matt, so I just
want to say thank you for that. And the future
now holds is it's all about for me reform. It's
going to be an immense amount of work on prison reform,
on helping troubled youth because I can tell them by
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first hand.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Experience, you don't want to go to prison. It does
not work.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
I'm dying to ask what the names of the macaws are.
But you mentioned something that I think a lot of
people didn't know. You spent a good percentage of your
time incarcerated in solitary confinement because the FBI was investigating
a plot to have you murdered in prison, and I
know that having worked with your lawyer on the matter.
So how did you learn of this alleged assassination plot
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directed at you?
Speaker 8 (22:26):
Well, this is a plot that had been already investigated
in twenty twenty three when I was in the house
by Capitol beliefe found out to be credible and it
resurfaced and my attorney, Joe Murray didn't know about it,
and to his credit, he did the right thing. He
reported it in his mind, in everyone's mind is the
warden would make protective measures, but instead she just applied
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disciplinary measures and called it protective custody and put me
in chew. I spent nearly half of my time in
prison in solitary confinement, forty one days out of eighty
four and solitary confinement at the hands of war and
Kelly at FCI Farridin is three baths a day, one
call every thirty days with your loved ones, visitations, one
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visitation every thirty days. While you're full in shackles, you
have no access to real hygiene. You have no access
to clean clothes. What they call clean clothes is recycled
on the wearers that we all just share and it
is thrown into a washing issue.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Were you in shackles, George, Did they put you in shait.
Speaker 8 (23:26):
They actually put me in shackles with a chain on
my belly, with my actual wrists tied to that chain
to them, and my feet. It was something I never
thought i'd experienced. I mean, that's what you usually reserve
for violent individuals, and they gave me the full works.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
You are in for only fans and or maze purchases
to like members of the House Steering Committee, shackles seem
like a bit much. I do have to ask this though,
were there any good moments? Did you make any friends?
Were there any ways you were able to tend to
your mental health in a positive way?
Speaker 8 (24:00):
So my mental health was actually essentially obliterated under this facility.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Did not even keep me on medication that I've been.
Speaker 8 (24:10):
On my whole life, like Vivance and some other mental
health medication that really helped me with my add and whatnot.
So to say that their incompetence is an understatement under
the gasle eyes of this woman, But to tell you
that my biggest struggle.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Was mental health would be an understatement. It was my
only struggle. Really. I had no physical harm threatened against me.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
My biggest a threat was the treatment I received while
in solitary confinement. And I think that that speaks volumes
because if they can do it to me, as somebody
with a platform, a former public figure with relationships that
spent from the House of Representatives all the way to
the White House, if she's comfortable doing this with me,
can you imagine what she's doing with other minority people
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who are under her.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Custody that don't have that same opportun unity. So this
is why I.
Speaker 8 (25:01):
Want to take this and do something with it for
the good, for the positive, to help people. But look, Matt,
nothing in life prepared me for that. And because of
this experience, I can guarantee you I won't disappoint President
Trump with the ability to rewrite and change the course
of how the ending of my book is. I messed
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up at the beginning, but now I have an opportunity
to have a great conclusion in an ending to this
book called Life.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I do want to get to some of your policy
goals because former federal prisoners Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro
came out of prison calling for a prison reform. And
so take just a moment and give me the George
Santos vision for a modern effective prison system in the
United States.
Speaker 8 (25:47):
Prison is supposed to be for a rehabilitation, not punitive measures.
Now I understand that when we're dealing with violent murderers
and serial killers and these very different types of prisoners,
we can take a step back and say, Okay, these
are people with psychopathic issues and tendencies and sociologicals and
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mental health issues. That are beyond control and repair. But
I am as you stated earlier, I made pretty much
paper case on white collar crime, and there were so
many others like that there. Camps in the United States
are a waste of taxpayer dollars. It costs yearly thirty
thousand dollars a month to house one inmates in a camp.
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You multiply that by tens of thousands across the country.
It's a waste of time. It's a waste of money.
You're pulling these people from earning income and paying taxes
and from paying restitution.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
I think house arrests would suffice so they.
Speaker 8 (26:44):
Can continue to be contributing members of society, pay their
financial penalties, and move on with their lives. As far
as prison reform, we need to actually have rehabilitation classes,
forms of rehabilitating these people and preparing them for society.
Not feeding them expired food as far back as a year,
not putting them in unsanitary conditions, exposed to black mold
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and ringworm and lysteria outbreaks because of the way hygiene
and sanitation is in these facilities. We need to actually
give way.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Did you have to that was expired for more than
a year?
Speaker 8 (27:21):
I was a cook in the kitchen in Ferreton for
I was one of the cooks in the kitchen in
Faretin for the first thirty two days I was in prison.
At one instance, I pulled the box out of the
freezer and it was chicken patties. You would think you
would want to mess with chicken, give them salmonella. And
the box had expired in twenty twenty four, in the
month of April. And the answer I got from administrators
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were it was frozen so it keeps well and best
buy dates are suggestive, not mandatory. We were eating expired
food through the Wazoo subpark qualities at best and this
is all under the gazeful watch and financing of the taxpayers,
and they don't even know what goes on. How do
you expect to rehabilitate somebody and put them back in
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the community when all you do is dehumanize the grade
and treat them like garbage. That's not what prison should
be about, and we should modernize it. It's an embarrassment
that two hundred and fifty thousand Americans today sit in
federal custody in the United States and are treated in
that fashion.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
That sounds terrible since you've gotten out of you allowed
yourself any indulgences.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Sushi, and I think a lot of people would approve.
I mean, I had a great a masake course.
Speaker 8 (28:35):
Two nights ago, and I got to say, it was
so good to eat something that I know was fresh
and have frozen a year earlier and expired.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yes, well, there are maga figures like Roger Stone who
received a full pardon after having initially gotten a commutation.
Which is what happened to you. Your sentence was commuted.
Will you now take steps to seek a full pardon
so that you might be eligible to run for office again?
Speaker 8 (29:00):
You know, Gay Matt, it would beggars can't be choosers.
I got what I got, and I'm thankful. Obviously I
can always try, But my focus now, I think I've
I've been given enough clemency for the time being.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Maybe it's something I can revisit.
Speaker 8 (29:16):
I think my focus is best used now when helping
others who are in a bad position. The president sees
that he wants to extend and go the full way
of a pardon later on in his term, I would
obviously be very grateful, and I got to say, like,
let's levity. You know, Levity's always my turning point. At
least now I'm not the doe dopey guy. At least
I'm a felon. People might give me a little bit
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more street cred. So it's like looking at it that
way makes makes you wonder, do I really want to know?
But all kidding aside, I would be very grateful, but
I think my time is better applied now by fighting
for others who don't have the same ability and voice
I had. I think that's a better and more honorable
mission than to make it a self centered MEMI me
mission for the next few years.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
I had to ask you that, George, because I did
have a number of friends text me and ask if
it was too late for you to enter the New
York mayoral race. That seems like kind of a dumpster
far have you Have you been following that race at all?
And do you have any perspective on it?
Speaker 8 (30:12):
So, because that was in New Jersey, I was I've
been following a lot of the New Jersey gubernatorial race
because that's what we were getting on the local channels there.
But as far as New York mayoral race, it hasn't
changed much other than before I, you know, surrendered, other
than the fact that Eric Adams dropped out. But it's
it's a race for it's a race for treachery and disaster.
(30:34):
We can get Grandma's Leigh or Cuomo. We can get
Curtis the red Beret wearer in sane mayor, or we
can get a full blown gie hottist. So I don't know,
it's absolutely a disaster. As a New York City resident,
I fear for my city. I fear for the eleven
million people who call this place home and for taxpayers
who fund this city to the tune of one hundred.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
And eighteen billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
I know that President Trump has called you and spoken
with you. In that conversation, did he express that you
two share a common experience of having been unfairly targeted?
Speaker 8 (31:10):
You know, he did allude to something along those lines,
wanting to keep the nature of the conversation private. I
do say that he wished me well. He did say, well,
now you know, you know how they can be vicious
for nasty, and he's not wrong.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
And being on the.
Speaker 8 (31:25):
Receiving end of a weaponized DJ under maryor Garland, I
can say I really am humbled by President Trump's actions
my family.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
I mean, everybody did.
Speaker 8 (31:35):
He's just been over the moon, but most importantly, everybody
trying to frame me and James Comy over the lying
to Congress example, I had misfilled out forms.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
He was under oath and lied to Congress. That's number one.
Number two, He's.
Speaker 8 (31:54):
Not being tried by a weaponized DOJ I was. So
he has a much better opportunity at justice than I did.
So I look at it and say to those trying
to draw parallels, please spare me the pearl clutching, focus
on what's good for America, because I didn't see all
this outrage when Joe Biden pardoned Hunter Biden, and god
(32:16):
knows how many crimes he committed with that blanket pardon
he received.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Well, also the lies James Comey was telling her about
trying to overthrow the government illegally through a series of
government sponsored leaks to the media. That's something very different
than getting something wrong on a congressional form. President Trump,
in his commutation message, called you a rogue. And I
think a lot of people really came to appreciate your
(32:40):
style on platforms like Twitter, spaces, and they enjoyed seeing
some of your speeches on the floor. Because I don't
say this as a pejorative, but you were the most
honest liar in Congress, like you would get out there
and call it like it was, even though you hadn't
been entirely forthcoming about some of the features of your
own bio. But are we still going to get the
(33:02):
rogue George Santos that tells it like it is, that
gives us those sharp takes, or like is the spirit
of forgiveness, So in your heart that may be less
of a rogue in this iteration.
Speaker 8 (33:14):
Look, it's not about changing who I am and my
behavior of who I am per se, but so sorry
about that. It's more so about the nature of what
I want to prioritize. You're still going to get it
how it is. I'm still going to dish it with
the best of them, and we're going to hang.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
And that's just the reality that's I'm not going to
change the essence of who I am.
Speaker 8 (33:35):
I'm just going to editorialize how I move forward and
how I prioritize things. No space for hate, but always
space to dish it out, tell it like it is,
because I think that's what the American people expect of
me is to not hold back and to always speak
my mind. So I will continue to do so. I
did it so in prison, Matt, to my own detriment
and at.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
The risk of retaliation.
Speaker 8 (33:56):
I was doing it in prison under the gazel eyes
of andictive warden.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
So here here we are. That's not changed.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Former New York Congressman George Santos. What are the macause
named the birds?
Speaker 8 (34:08):
That is Chico up there and down there that's Regina, George.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
I'm sure they're thrilled to have the pleasence of your company.
George Santos, thank you for coming on the program. We're
grateful you're out.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Thank you so much. Matt, thanks for having me.
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what's going on right now in Gaza. There are competing
claims that each side is violating the ceasefire. We'll break
it down with some journalists who've been following the story closely.
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Speaker 1 (37:36):
A fragile ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, broker by the
Trump administration, is under serious strain following renewed violence. Israel
says Hamas attacked Israeli forces in Rafa and then responded
with airstrikes that killed dozens of Palestinians. There are also
claims that internal skirmishes within Gaza have left many dead.
Hamas can't be trusted to be the neighborhood block captain
(37:59):
of them, and now that the hostages are secure, Israeli
National Security Minister Ben Gevier has called on Israel to
renig on the Trump cease fire and launch an all
out invasion of Gaza.
Speaker 9 (38:12):
And the time for calm is over. We must open
the gates of hell upon them. I say this clearly
and explicitly. We must not withdraw from any territory we're
in within the Gaza strip. We must encourage the migration
of residents of Gaza. This is an opportunity and we
must take advantage of it. We cannot miss this opportunity.
We must act decisively. The return of hostages is important,
(38:33):
but it does not mean we should stop our operations.
We must continue with full force. The security of Israel
depends on it. The international community must understand that we
will not back down.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Tonight, we will examine the evidence who broke the ceasefire
and who is actually benefiting from continued bloodshed. Spoiler alert,
it's not the people being killed. We are enthusiastic supporters
of President Trump's efforts to find peace. As he is noted,
this is a very violent part of the world.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
These are very violent people.
Speaker 10 (39:03):
This is a very violent part of the world.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Nobody's seen violence like this.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
On October seventh of this year, I hosted the TIM
Cast with some familiar faces. On that night, Dave DeCamp,
Kurt Mills and I predicted that Israeli Prime Minister bb
Net and Yahoo wouldn't allow any Trump ceasefire to hold.
He needs violence to keep power, So we regrettably predicted
what you're seeing now. That evening we were joined by
(39:29):
a lot of lahoo who said there wouldn't be violence. Sadly,
we told you so. Do you think hostilities are coming? No?
Speaker 11 (39:36):
I think Israel magged the countries Iran and their proxies sufficiently.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Important though, this is important.
Speaker 7 (39:43):
But if you're wrong, if you're wrong, though, if the
hostilities re emerged and say the next ninety one hundred
and twenty days, will you support them?
Speaker 6 (39:50):
Were you opposed to what?
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Because you just said they got mogged? They said you
said that, So there's no I don't.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
See no crisis anymore.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
So why did these rail I think?
Speaker 11 (39:57):
I mean, I think a lot of people from your
foreign policy persuasion like to fear monger around things that happen,
around these situations that don't pan out.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
But if not Yahoo wanted to create a false flag event,
how would he do it? Ovnor Abraham is an infamous
former member of Masad, that's Israel's intelligence apparatus. He explained
on October third exactly how Israel would ensure that no
ceasefire in Gaza would be allowed. Israel would attack gossins
and make it look like amas.
Speaker 10 (40:26):
Well, the creative idea, I do, okay, we have agreement.
Suddenly they send some missiles. How would people send missiles
from inside? And then they said, oh, there is a
missiles from Gaza. So now we can answer to them.
So you think that's also something that's that's possible.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Everything is possible.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
We are going to erase Gaza.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Joining US now Anti War News host Dave DeCamp and
Breaking Points co host Ryan Grimm. Dave, what should our
viewers know about the current status of this circumstance in Gaza.
Speaker 12 (41:00):
Well, we saw Israel really unleash hell again on Gaza yesterday,
launching over one hundred air strikes across the strip, killing
at least forty five people, including many children among the
dead and wounded. And then they put out a statement
on Sunday night essentially saying all right, the heavy bombing
is done, We're going to continue to enforce the ceasefire.
(41:22):
And then today it's kind of back to the status
quo that it has been since October tenth, since the
ceasefire went into effect. According to the reports from the ground,
at least four Palestinians have been killed in Gaza on
Monday for crossing the so called yellow line, which is
the line that the IDF basically designated as a kill zone.
(41:42):
If Palestinians cross it, that means that they can get
shot and killed. We also saw the IDF today say
that they're starting to put markers, big yellow concrete blocks
two hundred meters apart to mark where this boundary is,
so that means it has not been marked. And most
of these shootings are happening, these drone attacks are happening
is in Gaza City in the east, where you have
(42:05):
Israeli troops there, but also people trying to return to
their ruins of their homes. So you know, this is
kind of what seems to be the status quo now
since the cease fire went into effect. It looks like
the US wanted them to knock it off. After the
heavy bombing on Sunday and Israel reverse the the called
(42:25):
they said they're going to block all the AID again,
but they seem to have reversed that at least for now.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Ryan, what are you learning regarding the impetus for this
violence in Rafa. We've got a map here of the
site in question, so walk us through your observations.
Speaker 13 (42:39):
Yeah, So on Sunday, the IDF reported that there had
been an RPG attack right here if you look at
the screen there at what used to be the Rafa Airport,
still called the Rafa Airport. It hasn't operated in some
time now. They also said that some snipers had come
out that the IDF was trying to clear a tunnel,
(43:01):
and that some fighters may have been hiding out in
this tunnel. But what's important for people to understand when
they look at this map here is look how far
behind enemy lines this Rafa airport is. So you have
IDF positions right nearby, you have absolute moonscape rubble as
far as the eye can see, and you don't have
(43:23):
a tunnel network that connects to the rest of Gaza
from there. So there are two possibilities here if the
IDF story is accurate. You know, either some Hamas fighters
managed to somehow sneak through this rubble for you know,
many kilometers, get behind the enemy lines and then launch
(43:43):
an ambush, or that just days after agreeing to a ceasefire.
Or they've been hiding out in this tunnel for eight
months at this point because the IDF has controlled this
area for roughly eight months. At this point, you know
how they would be provisioned food and water. So those
are the two credible possibilities. Now, what I was told
(44:04):
my source familiar with this situation is that shortly after
this happened, the Americans had intelligence that what happened was
that bulldozer that was operated by a kind of settler
company that is destroying homes in Rafa. The homes that
remained standing had run over either unexploded ordinance or some
type of improvised explosive device that had not detonated during
(44:29):
the fighting that had taken place in Rafa many months ago,
and that the United States then relayed to Israel that
they that they had this intel that this is what
had happened, that we know, like there's an enormous amount
of their id's and there's a enormus amount of unexploded
ordinance from from shells in particular, but also from you know,
bombs dropped from the sky that hasn't blown up, and
when a bulldozer runs over that it might it might
(44:50):
blow up.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
And that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
And hold on, I want to draw a fine put
on that, Ryan, because if that's true, it would seem
to suggest that White House officials believe Israel has has
lied to them.
Speaker 13 (45:01):
Is that what you're reporting, Yes, that's that's what That's
what they believe. And they when they conveyed to them
that they knew what had happened. If you notice, shortly
after that net nyaw who said that he was opening
the crossings back up is what he said. He said,
all right, because of this attack, we are closing just
like they did on March second. We're closing all of
the crossings, and no food, no medicine, nothing is getting in.
(45:24):
After this message from the White House was related to
israeln Yahoo announced, actually we're going to reopen them on
Monday morning, which is just because of the time difference.
Just a few hours later, so the closure of all
of these crossings, this this major dramatic move that nen
Yah who made, was then fully reversed within a matter
of hours.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
But you attribute that to the fact that the US
officials basically called Netanyahu out that had this story about
the violence. US officials say, we actually know that you're
not telling us the truth, and then that explains the reversal. Now, now, Dave,
I want to come to you because on October seventh,
you I were on timcast and we said that we
(46:02):
thought Netsan Yahu would stop any ceasefire from being successful
because he needs violence to keep power. Is that what
you think is happening right now? Yeah?
Speaker 12 (46:13):
Well, I think it's very clear that this Israeli government
is eager to really restart, you know, the full scale bombing,
and some of them have been very open about it,
including Ben Gavir and Smotrich. But what we've seen here,
you know, if Ryan's reporting is accurate, and I tend
to believe it also because our friend Kurt Mills from
The American Conservative reported something pretty similar, said that a
(46:36):
senior Trump administration official told him that Hamas did not
violate the ceasefire, that an Israeli tank actually ran over
an ied that was there for months. And also even
President Trump when he discussed this, you know, he didn't
cast out on the IDF story that they were attacked
by Palestinian militants, but what he did say is, oh,
we don't think it came from Hamas's leadership. And what
(47:00):
Hamas said in their statement was, you know, we haven't
been in contact with any of our fighters in Rafa.
We don't know their status, if they're alive, if they're
even there. So you know, it's pretty clear that Israel's
trying to use this incident, regardless of what exactly happened,
to completely blow up the ceasefire deal. And we also
saw last week when Hamas released all the living hostages
(47:22):
and then they started releasing some of the bodies. Israel
tried to blow up the cease fire deal over the
fact that they didn't release all the bodies right away,
But there was reporting a week earlier Israeli official saying
that they did not expect all the bodies to be available.
Some even said that many of them might not be
found ever at all, because they're under all this rubble
because of the bombing campaign Israel unleashed. But so you
(47:45):
had Israel saying, you know, we're going to cut the aid.
You know, this is unacceptable. And then US officials came
out and it was a Trump Administration official on background,
a senior official who spoke to reporters and said, you know,
there's this talk that Hamas is violating the ceasefire. That's
not true. So at least two incidents here where Israel
tried to blow the whole thing up. So I think
I think it's fair to say that we were pretty
(48:08):
accurate when we did tim caass the other day.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
Unfortunately, I think we would have loved to have been
wrong about that. Ryan got about thirty seconds left. Where
does this go next.
Speaker 13 (48:20):
Well, it's I think it's too soon at this point
for the Trump administration to allow Netnyah Who to blow
the ceasefire deal up. He's he has put too much
credibility on the line. He's got all of these Arab
governments that also have put their credibility on the line.
And so Netyaw's attempt to blow it up this soon,
I think was always going to backfire. But it shows
that if he takes his eye off of the situation,
(48:43):
Nenyaw Who's going to restart this war, this genocide at
this point if he gets the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Yeah, I know President Trump wants to see peace there.
I think he views it as a critical part of
his legacy, getting in and solving problems that other people
can't solve. And it does nets and Yah who is
the biggest barrier to President Trump's goals. And if your
reporting is correct, and we bring you on here to
be able to answer questions about it, and then certainly
you know that would suggest the Americans know that they're
(49:13):
not getting the truth from the net Nyahu government appreciates you,
Ryan Grimm and Dave de Camp from coming on the
program and sharing your reporting. Got it and coming up,
we will head back to some of the activists who
were covering the No King's protests and get a sense
of where this movement is going and whether or not
the people participating even think it's successful. Don't go anywhere.
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Speaker 1 (51:45):
Ever, this weekend, the No King's rallies showed what happens
to a political movement when it's leaderless, absent to policy agenda,
and in the words of Minnesota Governor Tim.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
Walls, you're creepy and yes, weird as hell.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
As I saw the images of people going outside congregating
talking to each other, I couldn't help but think, isn't
it nice? We have these freedoms and isn't a king
or tyrant, the type of person who would stop folks
from being able to associate altogether. The closest thing we've
seen to a king in this country isn't Donald Trump.
It was doctor Fauci. Trump wants you to live, big, earn,
(52:23):
big dream Big Fauci wanted you locked in your home,
your business shuddered, your kids unable to go to school,
while the government masked you, vexed you, and then often
left you for dead. There is one king we had
to check in on, Congressman Tim Burchett. Surely he found
a way to enjoy the no King's weekend in a
very special manner.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
You rule America. We don't have a king in this kind.
We've got a pres be doing a pretty darn big
job data Thank God.
Speaker 1 (52:53):
For Seed to be joining us now. Turning Point USA
contributor and host of a Rapid Fire, Savannah Hernandez. So, Savannah,
how was your No King's weekend and how did you
spend it?
Speaker 5 (53:04):
Well, Matt, as good as you could expect. Being surrounded
by a thousand obese liberals who don't wear deodorant could go,
because you know that's how the no Kings protest was.
Honestly though, I was in New York covering this and
the numbers were quite large. I was pretty surprised at
the turnout. But something that immediately struck me afterwards is
how quickly this crowd dissipated. So there were large numbers,
(53:27):
but pretty much everybody clocked out as soon as it
seemed like their job was over, and they went home
pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
You know what, that is so much better than twenty twenty,
Like the Donald Trump big protest days, everybody, I guess
goes home and has a soil latte. When Joe Biden
was president, it ended with people throwing maltov cocktails and
trying to send federal buildings on fire. So what do
these people want, Savannah.
Speaker 5 (53:53):
Well, they were protesting on behalf of the king that
we don't seem to have here in the United States
of America. I wish I could tell you what they
were protesting for, but they couldn't even tell you what
they were protesting for. So you really had two factions
of people here. The one half who had no idea
why they were there. They kind of just hey, Donald
Trump in a programmed by the TV. And then the
other half who truly are violent and radical left wingers
(54:15):
who were there to call for the death of their
political opposition, quite frankly, and we saw that via signs
of guillotines with a single maga hat at the bottom
of it, signs reading all Nazis go to Hell, and
then of course the maga hat and ice being said Nazis.
Of course, the continued labeling of the left wing's political
opposition as fascists, and then the chance that fascists and
(54:39):
Nazis need to you know, essentially be killed and punched
in the face. So a lot of that same very
peaceful rhetoric that we're hearing from the left wing.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
Do you think this is a growing movement?
Speaker 5 (54:52):
That is a good question, Matt, and I would say,
based on the age range that we were seeing, I
would say it's a dying movement. Unfortunately, since the hour
Ridge protester is like sixty to eighty years old, so
it's you know, yeah, I guess it isn't growing either
because if you look at the gen z Ors or
the millennial millennials, they don't believe in having kids. So yeah,
it's a dying movement, I would say, And it.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
Is sort of strange to see hatred and violence as
the organizing principle of anything. What did you observe about
the interactions of these people and whether or not they
believed any of this was going to be successful at
changing anything.
Speaker 5 (55:29):
You know, Matt, I work with Turning Point USA, and
things have been very volatile for us, as you know.
So regarding my journalism this last weekend, I didn't even
want to interview people. I just wanted to do b
roll shots and kind of you know, gauge the scene.
But this is how reactionary the left wing is. They
simply read my press pass and it said Turning Point USA,
(55:49):
and that resulted in them freaking out and essentially needing
to come up to me and to say that Charlie
was a racist, anti semite, which was a new one
for me. You know, you also had protesters whole holding
up signs basically saying, hey, you know, have you smoked
your Kirks today, which is a reference to essentially Charlie
Kirk being smoked. I mean it was, like I said,
(56:10):
the basis of either people having no idea why they
were there and being programmed by their TV, or being
there simply to truly promote violence and a very volatile
situation here in the United States of America.
Speaker 1 (56:24):
Final question for you, what do you think would happen
to the country if these people were put in charge
of it?
Speaker 5 (56:29):
Yeah, I think we saw that over the last four years.
We had our you know, January six ers with no
due process thrown into solitary confinement. We had people censored
off of the web. You had journalists who were attacked
and harassed. So we already know the answer to that.
And it is a degrading America where we don't have
freedom of speech, we don't have freedom of thought, and
you can get thrown in jail for opposing again the
(56:49):
ruling class that's in power.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
A very dark warning indeed. Savannah Hernandez, host of Rapid Fire,
a contributor for Turning Point USA, thanks for coming on
the program and sharing your experience.
Speaker 4 (56:59):
Thanks, Matt.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
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up next. Let's go get them.
Former Congressman George Santos has just been released from prison
thanks to a commutation by President Trump. He joins us
this hour to bring us through an iconic series of experiences.
The No King's movement had quite the weekend. Mike Ben's
was out among the leftists. He'll share that experience at
the top of the show. And more bloodshed and gaza.
We're going to hear from journalists who are covering the
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facts on the ground closely. It's all next on the
Mack Gates Show. Let's do this shaking up Washington, d C.
We're breaking the fever. Do you ever watch this guy
on television? It's like a machine. He's great, Matt Gates.
This weekend we saw the nation's liberal lonely losers gather
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in No Kings protests around the country. Some were crowded,
some were downright pathetic. The No King's protests did seem
to bring out a cast of strange characters. We've inspotted
this elderly lesbian who looks like a dehydrated George Conway.
If this is what democracy looks like? Woof. But at
least some took the occasion to burn a few calories.
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I can't tell if this is a resistance political movement
or sweat into the oldies. I don't know if this
is about power for the people either. It seems a
lot more like protest for the comfortable. The No King's
crowd says they are standing up to tyranny. But here's
the twist. The man they're snarling at, Donald Trump, didn't
ascend to a throne. He won an election fair and square.
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Now they're organizing marches and photo ops. Meanwhile, Trump is
rescuing the economy, securing the border, deporting the illegals, and
trying to get fools around the world to stop killing
each other. Those who protest will tell you it's about authoritarianism.
They'll say that Trump's using the troops to stir up
fear and push power. But there's a difference between authority
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and responsibility. A true Marshall s shows up when the
outlaws ride into town. He doesn't ask for permission from
the bartender. He doesn't make signs or pink hats. He
just acts. And that's exactly the moment we're living in.
While the No Kings folks are organizing their next flash mob,
the folks keeping America safe, the troops, Border patrol, ice
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men and women in uniform. They're waiting for Congress to
finish this silly poker game. But Trump said I'll pay
them anyway. He said I'll do the job anyway. That's
not the behavior of a king. That's the behavior of
a marshal who knows the town needs saving, not someone
with an ego craving a crown. A king says bow
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to me or suffer. A marshall says, I'm here for you,
even when the law has forgotten you. Trump took office.
The last guy who was in there tried to throw
him in jail, and yet here he is still standing,
elected by the people. While the No King's crowd pretends
elections don't matter, Trump is the living consequence, the living
embodiment of victory. They cry no Kings, yet treat the
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election result like a trivia question. So what did we
learn this weekend? That protesters can march, chant, wave flags,
make noise. That's the right of any free people. But
the difference lies in what they do after the noise stops.
Do they keep the peace, do they turn violent? Or
do they just keep complaining? While the No Kings rallies
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show us that people with signs can go and wave
a lot and maybe at times attract a crowd. President
Trump is showing up with action, and while they're chanting
in the streets, he's signing paychecks, while they stage photo ops,
he's signing funding for the folks who stand the watch.
That's the leadership test, that's the reckoning. So do the
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No King's crowd, keep your chance, keep your signs, because
the enemies we face don't care how loud you yell.
What matters is who's willing to ride into the fight
and take on the outlaws. Because in the battle for
power in Washington, it's not about who wants a crown.
It's about who's willing to fight for you when others
have abandoned you. No Kings. Half of these protesters look
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like they've been bowing to every king of soy lattes
and social media trends for years. They say Trump's a king,
But last I checked, kings don't get indicted by their jesters.
Joining us now, the executive director of the Foundation for
Freedom Online, Mike Ben's So, Mike, describe your experience at
the Washington d C. No King's Rally.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
It was a total dud that it felt completely flat.
In my view, I was calling it a coup de flat.
It just the whole thing just completely flopped as I
saw it. I went in the morning to actually get
my Dunkin Donuts coffee and I just walked by kind
of the early scene of them gathering on the National Mall,
and the first thing I see after the music is
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a guy in a formal USAID government outfit handing out
papers to.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
A group of people.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
They look to be instructions for probably the day's events,
and it kind of looked like one of these matrix agents.
And I equipped that this scene has played out in
country after country, big city after big city around the
world for the past thirty years. I mean, you could
even hear Jeffrey Sax's testimony about USAID bussing people in
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for the Maidan Square Revolution in twenty fourteen in Ukraine,
and USAID organizing the riots and protests during the Arab Spring,
and in Poland and the Czech Republic, in Romania, and
god knows how many Latin American and North African countries.
So I just think it's so funny that we're at
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this point now where these things usually need a spark
to turn into a flame, and they're trying to make
fetch happen. They're trying to make a color revolution happen.
But there is no kind of there's nothing that solidly
keeps these protesters together other than they just don't like Trump.
But there's nothing they can really point to other than
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things like forty four billion dollars in foreign aid to
other countries to rally around, And so the whole thing
is just kind of keeping bodies on the street until
a spark happens to ignite, which I think is what
they're hoping for.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Well, I saw your videos of those folks in the
USAID shirts, and I thought, isn't it fitting that as
a consequence of Mike Ben's's work, people who used to
be at USAID have a lot more time on their
hands now and are not always pulling the strings of
every government around the world. But I did want to
get to what you just mentioned about, like, what is
the organizing principle of all this beyond Trump bad? I
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can't really draw out a specific list of grievances other
than kind of what democrats have been complaining about since
the nineteen seventies. Is there anything that appears to be
really animating or motivating the activism here.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Well, when all you have is a hammer, everything like
a nail. And for thirty years since the end of
the Cold War, the hammer that we've used in order
to overthrow democratically elected governments has been in that country
has an autocracy. They may have voted for it, but
it's functioning like an autocracy. So in Hungary they democratically
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voted for Orbon. He's hugely popular, but it's an autocracy.
So that justifies us overthrowing the government that people voted
for democratically in the name of democracy. Same thing in
El Salvador. All the protests in El Salvador went away
as soon as the USAID money went away. Even the
President of Mexico, Claudia Scheinbaum, embraced the shutdown of USAID.
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That has been used to control internal politics there. So
you have There was a great article in Notice about
four months ago which was sent It was like a
warning and it was defending USAID employees and warning the
Trump administration that it was a big mistake to shut
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down USAID because now you've unleashed all of these professional
government toppling specialists. I mean, it is a professional class,
and this is an important thing for.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
The audience to understand.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
It is a professional vocation, a career track to learn
how to and to network with the organizations who professionally
topple governments on behalf of the State Department, the Central
Intelligence Agency, USAID and their donor drafter class in the
private equity and hedge fund and multinational corporate world who
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make the profits off of post coup governments. And so
what you have here is they're calling it no Kings
as trying to kind of make the argument that this
is an autocracy. Of course, it's hilarious because they're partnered
with these global networks in Canada and the United Kingdom
who all have kings, and so they've had to rebrand
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in different countries. There is a funny scene in London
where they're little London Network protested outside the US Embassy
in London saying no US Kings and here they are
embracing their own monarchy. But it's very incoherent right now,
because we're less than a year out from an overwhelming
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Democratic victory, clean sweep House of Representatives, Senate Electoral College
popular vote. The entire thing was democratically voted for. It
is the exact opposite of a king like monarchy. But again,
when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like
a nail. All of these NGOs are set up for
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democracy promotion against autocracy. That's how they get their five
to one C three, that's how they get tax deductibility status.
So they have to call it an autocracy, even if
it's the farthest thing from.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
And then the question is really before us, what's next
in the playbook? Right if you've got this loosely organized,
no real organizing, pri spasm of some level of enthusiasm,
what do they do with it?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Well, I think at this point what they need is
a spark, someone to be killed allah in the George
Floyd situation, someone to light themselves on fire Allah. The
Arab spring, how that kicked off with the Tunisian food vendor.
Just in last year in Bangladesh, they organized the Color
Revolution on the basis of a police pulling over a
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couple young people and they use that as the spark
against the state. But there really is no kind of
mobilizing thing on that right now. And also the fact
that the Internet has opened up, and even if something
like that does break the ability to get information out
quickly on x To be able to get it out
on YouTube and Facebook as they're opening up really hurts
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the leverage to do that.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
So right now they're really.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Leaning into the international community. Even this fight that just
played out this week around the UN carbon tax through
their International Maritime Organization out of the UN was effectively
a way to recoup USAID money. This was effectively a
ten to twelve billion dollar tax on American shipping companies
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to go into the coffers of a international aid fund
run by the UN. And the EU has opened up
all these new aid funding venues, NATO is pivoting into
this civil affairs aid funding and they're all trying to
offset this fifty billion dollar pot. But that's also what
funds these groups and gets them quote capacity building. And
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this is why there was a great tell all by
Samantha Power just last week when she was prank called
by Russians thinking that they were Belarusians, thinking that it
was the kind of USAID funded Belarusian opposition and they
turned out to be Russians, and she confessed quite a
bit on your fifteen minute conversation with them, and what
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she said, is that she feels depressed because so many
of these NGOs are not just temporarily non operative, but
they're forced to go out of business, and so all
of their network connections dry up, and so you need
the money to keep these things going institutionally. Otherwise these
people have to get real jobs.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
They have to go out and your point about this
being tradecraft and a career you get into the career
of toppling governments. One thing that all of the folks
in that space know is your list building and your
nurturing of your network is twenty four to seven and
if that isn't resourced for a period of time, there
is a high rate of atrophy to that. So that's
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almost the admission that you get in the Samantha Power
tell All. Now, one thing a lot of these folks
are talking about in their grievance is the presence of
these National Guard forces to effectuate the deportation agenda. And like,
even there they can't stay on message. There's an example
I want to showcase. Mark Bennioff is the CEO of
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Sales Force. He had initially said Trump should send in
the National Guard and now has had to issue an
apology for that. In reference to San Francisco, he says,
I do not believe the National Guard is needed to
address safety in San Francisco. My earlier comment came from
an abundance of caution around the event, and I sincerely
apologize for the concern it caused. So now even from
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the C suite, you are getting an oscillation. What is
the signal in that to you, Mike bens.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Well, there's a civil war right now within the Democrat
Party over this. As you surely know, Matt walking around DC.
It's weirdly safe around here. It's weirdly clean around here.
As soon as Trump sent in the National Guard to DC,
the murder rate dropped. We had the longest streak without murders,
I think, in a couple of decades. And it feels cleaner, safer,
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nicer than it ever has before. And Mayor Bowser said
that she welcomed the National Guard to stay indefinitely. This
caused an apoplectic reaction from Normisen and Jennifer Rubin, who
immediately went on a podcast attacking the mayor of DC
for giving Trump a victory. And even if it does
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reduce crime, it's still very bad optically to be cooperating
with the dictator. And so you know what Mark Benioff
feels deep inside. But when you're prone to these commercial pressures,
he doesn't want to happen to salesforce what happened to
Elon Musk at Tesla, where people are now canceling contracts
or they're hosting protests, or he's losing big B to
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B clients because of his position on being close to
Trump or giving Trump a victory. So but we know
how he really feels. This is now it's kind of
all over.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
But the crime and Norm Eisen and Jennifer Rubin would
never go to the neighborhoods where regular Americans are have
to deal with the impact of crime. And we're certainly
glad President Trump has cleaned it up, and we're glad
you are out there at the No Kings protests so
I don't have to be Mike Ben's, executive director of
the Foundation for Freedom Online. Thanks as always for coming
on the program, Thanks Bett and coming up free at last.
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Former New York Congressman George Santos has seen his sentence
commuted from prison and he joins us after a quick break.
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Speaker 1 (17:36):
Welcome back to the Matt Gates Show. We're the only
thing more surprising than Congress is who ends up on
the program after federal prison. Before we bring former Congressman
George Santos here, it's worth noting an interesting trend. Some
politicians promise transparency. George Santos gave us the deluxe HD version,
complete with costume changes. Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Green was the
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loudest advocate for releasing Santos after he'd been given a
seven year prison sentence. She made the point on our
program that President Trump had a great opportunity to act.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
It's absolutely horrific what is happening to George Santos.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
He should get a pardon immediately.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
George is really suffering and he should not be in
solitary confinement.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
He should receive a pardon.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
It's been enough.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
President Trump came through. He commuted the sentence of the
former congressman. We noticed this when a lot of these
policymakers get out of prison, they often become enthusiasts for
prison reform as a passion project. Listen to Steve Bannon
reflect on his time behind bars and what he learned.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
These young men get there, they have twenty years of
their life are going to be spent in the confines
of Danbury Prison.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
That's hard.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
It was hard for me for four months. For twenty
five years. When you're twenty five years old, a could
break a person. I've tried to get involved with Jared
and Peter on a prison reform The article the article
the First Step Act was absolutely brilliant of what Jared
and you and these guys worked on to get through.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
It was not been implemented.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
The federal prison system is set up to break families.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Trump's tariff whisperer, Peter Navarro, also went to prison. He's
an economist, so he came out with some pretty meaningful
ways to save money.
Speaker 7 (19:17):
I went in there as an inmate and spend all
my time there as an investigative reporter, uncovered a five
billion dollar taxpayer scandal, and I've actually solved that problem.
They've changed the policy in precisely your ways I recommended
from prison. You know it wasn't worth going there for
that at one level, but at least I say the
taxpayer's five billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Will Former New York Congressman George Santos be the next
prison reformer. He's been called the Gadsby of queens, the
Picasso of personal branding, and the only man who could
make LinkedIn blush. But through it all, he's proven one
thing you can't cancel, George Santos, And the comeback tour
continues right now. Former New York Congressman George Santos joined
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to us. Now, George, it is so great to have
you back on the program and out of prison. How
has prison changed you?
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Matt? Thank you so much.
Speaker 8 (20:09):
I just wanted to start off by saying to you
in your audience, thank you for being who you are
and how you are never changed. I want to say
prison was rough forty one days in a special housing
unit known as a shoe in isolated confinement. Was it
not something I thought would happen. That's when you really
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take a lot into perspective. And it's a very sobering moment.
And I gotta tell you, I'm looking back and hearing
clips of me just literally three months ago, prior to
into prison, and I can tell you I was intoxicated
by a poison called hate that when you let fester
inside of.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Your soul, it can lead you to absolutely chaos.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
Now to you as a former colleague of mine, and
we were together in Congress, and I'm I say this
everybody for my past transgressions. And I have a complete
new mission and outlook in life for the future thanks
to President Trump. I mean, without him today, I'd probably
be sitting still in camp in Camp ferretson over there
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at the FCI Ferrets and under the gazel eyes of
the awful Warden Kelly.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
But today I'm home. I'm with my family. As you
can see, my macaws are behind me.
Speaker 8 (21:24):
I mean, it's you just there's no money in life
that can pay for this.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
This is what wealth looks like, being home with your
family and your loved ones around you.
Speaker 8 (21:33):
And I got to say thank you to President Trump
and to all those involved who were who work tirelessly,
and I know you're a Bungstom Matt, so I just
want to say thank you for that. And the future
now holds is it's all about for me reform. It's
going to be an immense amount of work on prison reform,
on helping troubled youth because I can tell them by
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first hand.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Experience, you don't want to go to prison. It does
not work.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
I'm dying to ask what the names of the macaws are.
But you mentioned something that I think a lot of
people didn't know. You spent a good percentage of your
time incarcerated in solitary confinement because the FBI was investigating
a plot to have you murdered in prison, and I
know that having worked with your lawyer on the matter.
So how did you learn of this alleged assassination plot
(22:24):
directed at you?
Speaker 8 (22:26):
Well, this is a plot that had been already investigated
in twenty twenty three when I was in the house
by Capitol beliefe found out to be credible and it
resurfaced and my attorney, Joe Murray didn't know about it,
and to his credit, he did the right thing. He
reported it in his mind, in everyone's mind is the
warden would make protective measures, but instead she just applied
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disciplinary measures and called it protective custody and put me
in chew. I spent nearly half of my time in
prison in solitary confinement, forty one days out of eighty
four and solitary confinement at the hands of war and
Kelly at FCI Farridin is three baths a day, one
call every thirty days with your loved ones, visitations, one
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visitation every thirty days. While you're full in shackles, you
have no access to real hygiene. You have no access
to clean clothes. What they call clean clothes is recycled
on the wearers that we all just share and it
is thrown into a washing issue.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Were you in shackles, George, Did they put you in shait.
Speaker 8 (23:26):
They actually put me in shackles with a chain on
my belly, with my actual wrists tied to that chain
to them, and my feet. It was something I never
thought i'd experienced. I mean, that's what you usually reserve
for violent individuals, and they gave me the full works.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
You are in for only fans and or maze purchases
to like members of the House Steering Committee, shackles seem
like a bit much. I do have to ask this though,
were there any good moments? Did you make any friends?
Were there any ways you were able to tend to
your mental health in a positive way?
Speaker 8 (24:00):
So my mental health was actually essentially obliterated under this facility.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Did not even keep me on medication that I've been.
Speaker 8 (24:10):
On my whole life, like Vivance and some other mental
health medication that really helped me with my add and whatnot.
So to say that their incompetence is an understatement under
the gasle eyes of this woman, But to tell you
that my biggest struggle.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Was mental health would be an understatement. It was my
only struggle. Really. I had no physical harm threatened against me.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
My biggest a threat was the treatment I received while
in solitary confinement. And I think that that speaks volumes
because if they can do it to me, as somebody
with a platform, a former public figure with relationships that
spent from the House of Representatives all the way to
the White House, if she's comfortable doing this with me,
can you imagine what she's doing with other minority people
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who are under her.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Custody that don't have that same opportun unity. So this
is why I.
Speaker 8 (25:01):
Want to take this and do something with it for
the good, for the positive, to help people. But look, Matt,
nothing in life prepared me for that. And because of
this experience, I can guarantee you I won't disappoint President
Trump with the ability to rewrite and change the course
of how the ending of my book is. I messed
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up at the beginning, but now I have an opportunity
to have a great conclusion in an ending to this
book called Life.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I do want to get to some of your policy
goals because former federal prisoners Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro
came out of prison calling for a prison reform. And
so take just a moment and give me the George
Santos vision for a modern effective prison system in the
United States.
Speaker 8 (25:47):
Prison is supposed to be for a rehabilitation, not punitive measures.
Now I understand that when we're dealing with violent murderers
and serial killers and these very different types of prisoners,
we can take a step back and say, Okay, these
are people with psychopathic issues and tendencies and sociologicals and
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mental health issues. That are beyond control and repair. But
I am as you stated earlier, I made pretty much
paper case on white collar crime, and there were so
many others like that there. Camps in the United States
are a waste of taxpayer dollars. It costs yearly thirty
thousand dollars a month to house one inmates in a camp.
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You multiply that by tens of thousands across the country.
It's a waste of time. It's a waste of money.
You're pulling these people from earning income and paying taxes
and from paying restitution.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
I think house arrests would suffice so they.
Speaker 8 (26:44):
Can continue to be contributing members of society, pay their
financial penalties, and move on with their lives. As far
as prison reform, we need to actually have rehabilitation classes,
forms of rehabilitating these people and preparing them for society.
Not feeding them expired food as far back as a year,
not putting them in unsanitary conditions, exposed to black mold
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and ringworm and lysteria outbreaks because of the way hygiene
and sanitation is in these facilities. We need to actually
give way.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Did you have to that was expired for more than
a year?
Speaker 8 (27:21):
I was a cook in the kitchen in Ferreton for
I was one of the cooks in the kitchen in
Faretin for the first thirty two days I was in prison.
At one instance, I pulled the box out of the
freezer and it was chicken patties. You would think you
would want to mess with chicken, give them salmonella. And
the box had expired in twenty twenty four, in the
month of April. And the answer I got from administrators
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were it was frozen so it keeps well and best
buy dates are suggestive, not mandatory. We were eating expired
food through the Wazoo subpark qualities at best and this
is all under the gazeful watch and financing of the taxpayers,
and they don't even know what goes on. How do
you expect to rehabilitate somebody and put them back in
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the community when all you do is dehumanize the grade
and treat them like garbage. That's not what prison should
be about, and we should modernize it. It's an embarrassment
that two hundred and fifty thousand Americans today sit in
federal custody in the United States and are treated in
that fashion.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
That sounds terrible since you've gotten out of you allowed
yourself any indulgences.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Sushi, and I think a lot of people would approve.
I mean, I had a great a masake course.
Speaker 8 (28:35):
Two nights ago, and I got to say, it was
so good to eat something that I know was fresh
and have frozen a year earlier and expired.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yes, well, there are maga figures like Roger Stone who
received a full pardon after having initially gotten a commutation.
Which is what happened to you. Your sentence was commuted.
Will you now take steps to seek a full pardon
so that you might be eligible to run for office again?
Speaker 8 (29:00):
You know, Gay Matt, it would beggars can't be choosers.
I got what I got, and I'm thankful. Obviously I
can always try, But my focus now, I think I've
I've been given enough clemency for the time being.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Maybe it's something I can revisit.
Speaker 8 (29:16):
I think my focus is best used now when helping
others who are in a bad position. The president sees
that he wants to extend and go the full way
of a pardon later on in his term, I would
obviously be very grateful, and I got to say, like,
let's levity. You know, Levity's always my turning point. At
least now I'm not the doe dopey guy. At least
I'm a felon. People might give me a little bit
(29:38):
more street cred. So it's like looking at it that
way makes makes you wonder, do I really want to know?
But all kidding aside, I would be very grateful, but
I think my time is better applied now by fighting
for others who don't have the same ability and voice
I had. I think that's a better and more honorable
mission than to make it a self centered MEMI me
mission for the next few years.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
I had to ask you that, George, because I did
have a number of friends text me and ask if
it was too late for you to enter the New
York mayoral race. That seems like kind of a dumpster
far have you Have you been following that race at all?
And do you have any perspective on it?
Speaker 8 (30:12):
So, because that was in New Jersey, I was I've
been following a lot of the New Jersey gubernatorial race
because that's what we were getting on the local channels there.
But as far as New York mayoral race, it hasn't
changed much other than before I, you know, surrendered, other
than the fact that Eric Adams dropped out. But it's
it's a race for it's a race for treachery and disaster.
(30:34):
We can get Grandma's Leigh or Cuomo. We can get
Curtis the red Beret wearer in sane mayor, or we
can get a full blown gie hottist. So I don't know,
it's absolutely a disaster. As a New York City resident,
I fear for my city. I fear for the eleven
million people who call this place home and for taxpayers
who fund this city to the tune of one hundred.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
And eighteen billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
I know that President Trump has called you and spoken
with you. In that conversation, did he express that you
two share a common experience of having been unfairly targeted?
Speaker 8 (31:10):
You know, he did allude to something along those lines,
wanting to keep the nature of the conversation private. I
do say that he wished me well. He did say, well,
now you know, you know how they can be vicious
for nasty, and he's not wrong.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
And being on the.
Speaker 8 (31:25):
Receiving end of a weaponized DJ under maryor Garland, I
can say I really am humbled by President Trump's actions
my family.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
I mean, everybody did.
Speaker 8 (31:35):
He's just been over the moon, but most importantly, everybody
trying to frame me and James Comy over the lying
to Congress example, I had misfilled out forms.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
He was under oath and lied to Congress. That's number one.
Number two, He's.
Speaker 8 (31:54):
Not being tried by a weaponized DOJ I was. So
he has a much better opportunity at justice than I did.
So I look at it and say to those trying
to draw parallels, please spare me the pearl clutching, focus
on what's good for America, because I didn't see all
this outrage when Joe Biden pardoned Hunter Biden, and god
(32:16):
knows how many crimes he committed with that blanket pardon
he received.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Well, also the lies James Comey was telling her about
trying to overthrow the government illegally through a series of
government sponsored leaks to the media. That's something very different
than getting something wrong on a congressional form. President Trump,
in his commutation message, called you a rogue. And I
think a lot of people really came to appreciate your
(32:40):
style on platforms like Twitter, spaces, and they enjoyed seeing
some of your speeches on the floor. Because I don't
say this as a pejorative, but you were the most
honest liar in Congress, like you would get out there
and call it like it was, even though you hadn't
been entirely forthcoming about some of the features of your
own bio. But are we still going to get the
(33:02):
rogue George Santos that tells it like it is, that
gives us those sharp takes, or like is the spirit
of forgiveness, So in your heart that may be less
of a rogue in this iteration.
Speaker 8 (33:14):
Look, it's not about changing who I am and my
behavior of who I am per se, but so sorry
about that. It's more so about the nature of what
I want to prioritize. You're still going to get it
how it is. I'm still going to dish it with
the best of them, and we're going to hang.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
And that's just the reality that's I'm not going to
change the essence of who I am.
Speaker 8 (33:35):
I'm just going to editorialize how I move forward and
how I prioritize things. No space for hate, but always
space to dish it out, tell it like it is,
because I think that's what the American people expect of
me is to not hold back and to always speak
my mind. So I will continue to do so. I
did it so in prison, Matt, to my own detriment
and at.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
The risk of retaliation.
Speaker 8 (33:56):
I was doing it in prison under the gazel eyes
of andictive warden.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
So here here we are. That's not changed.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Former New York Congressman George Santos. What are the macause
named the birds?
Speaker 8 (34:08):
That is Chico up there and down there that's Regina, George.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
I'm sure they're thrilled to have the pleasence of your company.
George Santos, thank you for coming on the program. We're
grateful you're out.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Thank you so much. Matt, thanks for having me.
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what's going on right now in Gaza. There are competing
claims that each side is violating the ceasefire. We'll break
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Speaker 1 (37:36):
A fragile ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, broker by the
Trump administration, is under serious strain following renewed violence. Israel
says Hamas attacked Israeli forces in Rafa and then responded
with airstrikes that killed dozens of Palestinians. There are also
claims that internal skirmishes within Gaza have left many dead.
Hamas can't be trusted to be the neighborhood block captain
(37:59):
of them, and now that the hostages are secure, Israeli
National Security Minister Ben Gevier has called on Israel to
renig on the Trump cease fire and launch an all
out invasion of Gaza.
Speaker 9 (38:12):
And the time for calm is over. We must open
the gates of hell upon them. I say this clearly
and explicitly. We must not withdraw from any territory we're
in within the Gaza strip. We must encourage the migration
of residents of Gaza. This is an opportunity and we
must take advantage of it. We cannot miss this opportunity.
We must act decisively. The return of hostages is important,
(38:33):
but it does not mean we should stop our operations.
We must continue with full force. The security of Israel
depends on it. The international community must understand that we
will not back down.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Tonight, we will examine the evidence who broke the ceasefire
and who is actually benefiting from continued bloodshed. Spoiler alert,
it's not the people being killed. We are enthusiastic supporters
of President Trump's efforts to find peace. As he is noted,
this is a very violent part of the world.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
These are very violent people.
Speaker 10 (39:03):
This is a very violent part of the world.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Nobody's seen violence like this.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
On October seventh of this year, I hosted the TIM
Cast with some familiar faces. On that night, Dave DeCamp,
Kurt Mills and I predicted that Israeli Prime Minister bb
Net and Yahoo wouldn't allow any Trump ceasefire to hold.
He needs violence to keep power, So we regrettably predicted
what you're seeing now. That evening we were joined by
(39:29):
a lot of lahoo who said there wouldn't be violence. Sadly,
we told you so. Do you think hostilities are coming? No?
Speaker 11 (39:36):
I think Israel magged the countries Iran and their proxies sufficiently.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Important though, this is important.
Speaker 7 (39:43):
But if you're wrong, if you're wrong, though, if the
hostilities re emerged and say the next ninety one hundred
and twenty days, will you support them?
Speaker 6 (39:50):
Were you opposed to what?
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Because you just said they got mogged? They said you
said that, So there's no I don't.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
See no crisis anymore.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
So why did these rail I think?
Speaker 11 (39:57):
I mean, I think a lot of people from your
foreign policy persuasion like to fear monger around things that happen,
around these situations that don't pan out.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
But if not Yahoo wanted to create a false flag event,
how would he do it? Ovnor Abraham is an infamous
former member of Masad, that's Israel's intelligence apparatus. He explained
on October third exactly how Israel would ensure that no
ceasefire in Gaza would be allowed. Israel would attack gossins
and make it look like amas.
Speaker 10 (40:26):
Well, the creative idea, I do, okay, we have agreement.
Suddenly they send some missiles. How would people send missiles
from inside? And then they said, oh, there is a
missiles from Gaza. So now we can answer to them.
So you think that's also something that's that's possible.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Everything is possible.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
We are going to erase Gaza.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Joining US now Anti War News host Dave DeCamp and
Breaking Points co host Ryan Grimm. Dave, what should our
viewers know about the current status of this circumstance in Gaza.
Speaker 12 (41:00):
Well, we saw Israel really unleash hell again on Gaza yesterday,
launching over one hundred air strikes across the strip, killing
at least forty five people, including many children among the
dead and wounded. And then they put out a statement
on Sunday night essentially saying all right, the heavy bombing
is done, We're going to continue to enforce the ceasefire.
(41:22):
And then today it's kind of back to the status
quo that it has been since October tenth, since the
ceasefire went into effect. According to the reports from the ground,
at least four Palestinians have been killed in Gaza on
Monday for crossing the so called yellow line, which is
the line that the IDF basically designated as a kill zone.
(41:42):
If Palestinians cross it, that means that they can get
shot and killed. We also saw the IDF today say
that they're starting to put markers, big yellow concrete blocks
two hundred meters apart to mark where this boundary is,
so that means it has not been marked. And most
of these shootings are happening, these drone attacks are happening
is in Gaza City in the east, where you have
(42:05):
Israeli troops there, but also people trying to return to
their ruins of their homes. So you know, this is
kind of what seems to be the status quo now
since the cease fire went into effect. It looks like
the US wanted them to knock it off. After the
heavy bombing on Sunday and Israel reverse the the called
(42:25):
they said they're going to block all the AID again,
but they seem to have reversed that at least for now.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Ryan, what are you learning regarding the impetus for this
violence in Rafa. We've got a map here of the
site in question, so walk us through your observations.
Speaker 13 (42:39):
Yeah, So on Sunday, the IDF reported that there had
been an RPG attack right here if you look at
the screen there at what used to be the Rafa Airport,
still called the Rafa Airport. It hasn't operated in some
time now. They also said that some snipers had come
out that the IDF was trying to clear a tunnel,
(43:01):
and that some fighters may have been hiding out in
this tunnel. But what's important for people to understand when
they look at this map here is look how far
behind enemy lines this Rafa airport is. So you have
IDF positions right nearby, you have absolute moonscape rubble as
far as the eye can see, and you don't have
(43:23):
a tunnel network that connects to the rest of Gaza
from there. So there are two possibilities here if the
IDF story is accurate. You know, either some Hamas fighters
managed to somehow sneak through this rubble for you know,
many kilometers, get behind the enemy lines and then launch
(43:43):
an ambush, or that just days after agreeing to a ceasefire.
Or they've been hiding out in this tunnel for eight
months at this point because the IDF has controlled this
area for roughly eight months. At this point, you know
how they would be provisioned food and water. So those
are the two credible possibilities. Now, what I was told
(44:04):
my source familiar with this situation is that shortly after
this happened, the Americans had intelligence that what happened was
that bulldozer that was operated by a kind of settler
company that is destroying homes in Rafa. The homes that
remained standing had run over either unexploded ordinance or some
type of improvised explosive device that had not detonated during
(44:29):
the fighting that had taken place in Rafa many months ago,
and that the United States then relayed to Israel that
they that they had this intel that this is what
had happened, that we know, like there's an enormous amount
of their id's and there's a enormus amount of unexploded
ordinance from from shells in particular, but also from you know,
bombs dropped from the sky that hasn't blown up, and
when a bulldozer runs over that it might it might
(44:50):
blow up.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
And that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
And hold on, I want to draw a fine put
on that, Ryan, because if that's true, it would seem
to suggest that White House officials believe Israel has has
lied to them.
Speaker 13 (45:01):
Is that what you're reporting, Yes, that's that's what That's
what they believe. And they when they conveyed to them
that they knew what had happened. If you notice, shortly
after that net nyaw who said that he was opening
the crossings back up is what he said. He said,
all right, because of this attack, we are closing just
like they did on March second. We're closing all of
the crossings, and no food, no medicine, nothing is getting in.
(45:24):
After this message from the White House was related to
israeln Yahoo announced, actually we're going to reopen them on
Monday morning, which is just because of the time difference.
Just a few hours later, so the closure of all
of these crossings, this this major dramatic move that nen
Yah who made, was then fully reversed within a matter
of hours.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
But you attribute that to the fact that the US
officials basically called Netanyahu out that had this story about
the violence. US officials say, we actually know that you're
not telling us the truth, and then that explains the reversal. Now, now, Dave,
I want to come to you because on October seventh,
you I were on timcast and we said that we
(46:02):
thought Netsan Yahu would stop any ceasefire from being successful
because he needs violence to keep power. Is that what
you think is happening right now? Yeah?
Speaker 12 (46:13):
Well, I think it's very clear that this Israeli government
is eager to really restart, you know, the full scale bombing,
and some of them have been very open about it,
including Ben Gavir and Smotrich. But what we've seen here,
you know, if Ryan's reporting is accurate, and I tend
to believe it also because our friend Kurt Mills from
The American Conservative reported something pretty similar, said that a
(46:36):
senior Trump administration official told him that Hamas did not
violate the ceasefire, that an Israeli tank actually ran over
an ied that was there for months. And also even
President Trump when he discussed this, you know, he didn't
cast out on the IDF story that they were attacked
by Palestinian militants, but what he did say is, oh,
we don't think it came from Hamas's leadership. And what
(47:00):
Hamas said in their statement was, you know, we haven't
been in contact with any of our fighters in Rafa.
We don't know their status, if they're alive, if they're
even there. So you know, it's pretty clear that Israel's
trying to use this incident, regardless of what exactly happened,
to completely blow up the ceasefire deal. And we also
saw last week when Hamas released all the living hostages
(47:22):
and then they started releasing some of the bodies. Israel
tried to blow up the cease fire deal over the
fact that they didn't release all the bodies right away,
But there was reporting a week earlier Israeli official saying
that they did not expect all the bodies to be available.
Some even said that many of them might not be
found ever at all, because they're under all this rubble
because of the bombing campaign Israel unleashed. But so you
(47:45):
had Israel saying, you know, we're going to cut the aid.
You know, this is unacceptable. And then US officials came
out and it was a Trump Administration official on background,
a senior official who spoke to reporters and said, you know,
there's this talk that Hamas is violating the ceasefire. That's
not true. So at least two incidents here where Israel
tried to blow the whole thing up. So I think
I think it's fair to say that we were pretty
(48:08):
accurate when we did tim caass the other day.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
Unfortunately, I think we would have loved to have been
wrong about that. Ryan got about thirty seconds left. Where
does this go next.
Speaker 13 (48:20):
Well, it's I think it's too soon at this point
for the Trump administration to allow Netnyah Who to blow
the ceasefire deal up. He's he has put too much
credibility on the line. He's got all of these Arab
governments that also have put their credibility on the line.
And so Netyaw's attempt to blow it up this soon,
I think was always going to backfire. But it shows
that if he takes his eye off of the situation,
(48:43):
Nenyaw Who's going to restart this war, this genocide at
this point if he gets the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Yeah, I know President Trump wants to see peace there.
I think he views it as a critical part of
his legacy, getting in and solving problems that other people
can't solve. And it does nets and Yah who is
the biggest barrier to President Trump's goals. And if your
reporting is correct, and we bring you on here to
be able to answer questions about it, and then certainly
you know that would suggest the Americans know that they're
(49:13):
not getting the truth from the net Nyahu government appreciates you,
Ryan Grimm and Dave de Camp from coming on the
program and sharing your reporting. Got it and coming up,
we will head back to some of the activists who
were covering the No King's protests and get a sense
of where this movement is going and whether or not
the people participating even think it's successful. Don't go anywhere.
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Speaker 1 (51:45):
Ever, this weekend, the No King's rallies showed what happens
to a political movement when it's leaderless, absent to policy agenda,
and in the words of Minnesota Governor Tim.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
Walls, you're creepy and yes, weird as hell.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
As I saw the images of people going outside congregating
talking to each other, I couldn't help but think, isn't
it nice? We have these freedoms and isn't a king
or tyrant, the type of person who would stop folks
from being able to associate altogether. The closest thing we've
seen to a king in this country isn't Donald Trump.
It was doctor Fauci. Trump wants you to live, big, earn,
(52:23):
big dream Big Fauci wanted you locked in your home,
your business shuddered, your kids unable to go to school,
while the government masked you, vexed you, and then often
left you for dead. There is one king we had
to check in on, Congressman Tim Burchett. Surely he found
a way to enjoy the no King's weekend in a
very special manner.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
You rule America. We don't have a king in this kind.
We've got a pres be doing a pretty darn big
job data Thank God.
Speaker 1 (52:53):
For Seed to be joining us now. Turning Point USA
contributor and host of a Rapid Fire, Savannah Hernandez. So, Savannah,
how was your No King's weekend and how did you
spend it?
Speaker 5 (53:04):
Well, Matt, as good as you could expect. Being surrounded
by a thousand obese liberals who don't wear deodorant could go,
because you know that's how the no Kings protest was.
Honestly though, I was in New York covering this and
the numbers were quite large. I was pretty surprised at
the turnout. But something that immediately struck me afterwards is
how quickly this crowd dissipated. So there were large numbers,
(53:27):
but pretty much everybody clocked out as soon as it
seemed like their job was over, and they went home
pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
You know what, that is so much better than twenty twenty,
Like the Donald Trump big protest days, everybody, I guess
goes home and has a soil latte. When Joe Biden
was president, it ended with people throwing maltov cocktails and
trying to send federal buildings on fire. So what do
these people want, Savannah.
Speaker 5 (53:53):
Well, they were protesting on behalf of the king that
we don't seem to have here in the United States
of America. I wish I could tell you what they
were protesting for, but they couldn't even tell you what
they were protesting for. So you really had two factions
of people here. The one half who had no idea
why they were there. They kind of just hey, Donald
Trump in a programmed by the TV. And then the
other half who truly are violent and radical left wingers
(54:15):
who were there to call for the death of their
political opposition, quite frankly, and we saw that via signs
of guillotines with a single maga hat at the bottom
of it, signs reading all Nazis go to Hell, and
then of course the maga hat and ice being said Nazis.
Of course, the continued labeling of the left wing's political
opposition as fascists, and then the chance that fascists and
(54:39):
Nazis need to you know, essentially be killed and punched
in the face. So a lot of that same very
peaceful rhetoric that we're hearing from the left wing.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
Do you think this is a growing movement?
Speaker 5 (54:52):
That is a good question, Matt, and I would say,
based on the age range that we were seeing, I
would say it's a dying movement. Unfortunately, since the hour
Ridge protester is like sixty to eighty years old, so
it's you know, yeah, I guess it isn't growing either
because if you look at the gen z Ors or
the millennial millennials, they don't believe in having kids. So yeah,
it's a dying movement, I would say, And it.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
Is sort of strange to see hatred and violence as
the organizing principle of anything. What did you observe about
the interactions of these people and whether or not they
believed any of this was going to be successful at
changing anything.
Speaker 5 (55:29):
You know, Matt, I work with Turning Point USA, and
things have been very volatile for us, as you know.
So regarding my journalism this last weekend, I didn't even
want to interview people. I just wanted to do b
roll shots and kind of you know, gauge the scene.
But this is how reactionary the left wing is. They
simply read my press pass and it said Turning Point USA,
(55:49):
and that resulted in them freaking out and essentially needing
to come up to me and to say that Charlie
was a racist, anti semite, which was a new one
for me. You know, you also had protesters whole holding
up signs basically saying, hey, you know, have you smoked
your Kirks today, which is a reference to essentially Charlie
Kirk being smoked. I mean it was, like I said,
(56:10):
the basis of either people having no idea why they
were there and being programmed by their TV, or being
there simply to truly promote violence and a very volatile
situation here in the United States of America.
Speaker 1 (56:24):
Final question for you, what do you think would happen
to the country if these people were put in charge
of it?
Speaker 5 (56:29):
Yeah, I think we saw that over the last four years.
We had our you know, January six ers with no
due process thrown into solitary confinement. We had people censored
off of the web. You had journalists who were attacked
and harassed. So we already know the answer to that.
And it is a degrading America where we don't have
freedom of speech, we don't have freedom of thought, and
you can get thrown in jail for opposing again the
(56:49):
ruling class that's in power.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
A very dark warning indeed. Savannah Hernandez, host of Rapid Fire,
a contributor for Turning Point USA, thanks for coming on
the program and sharing your experience.
Speaker 4 (56:59):
Thanks, Matt.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Ruthie's Table 4
For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.