July 28, 2025 • 44 mins
In Episode 64, Ashley Sunshine and Laura McDonald take a deep dive into the off-season realities for high school athletes. They break down how to help athletes recharge, reassess, and re-enter training with purpose. This episode focuses on recovery, biomechanics assessments, and creating smarter training plans that prioritize long-term performance and athlete well-being.
Whether you're a coach, parent, or athlete, this episode offers practical advice on how to make the most of the off-season without burning out.
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Hi everyone. We're back for another episode
of the OGX Podcast. I am the host today, just the
two of us. I am the host.
Krista is out of town. So Laura and I will be recording
today's topic, which is we're going to center this discussion
around high school level athletes.
So we're recording this, it's the very end of July.
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This is the week of nationals for most athletes, I think maybe
at least the 18 U athletes in whether it's California for PGF,
whether it's alliance in Indianapolis.
And we've been having a lot of discussion with our high school
level OGX athletes about like, what do I do afterward?
And so this came up in a full team meeting that we had earlier
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in the week and we were like, hey, what a great topic or
podcast and to if there's a lot of education, a lot of
information, a lot of things that we we discussed as a team
wanted to make sure that we werediscussing with our coaches at
OGX as far as the types of things we should be talking to
our athletes about how to communicate and educate them
appropriately. So why not bring the topic onto
the onto the podcast, I think. It's a great topic.
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Yeah. So basically here's the
crossroads that a lot of I thinkathletes find themselves in.
They are totally spent. I mean, they are exhausted.
Their families are exhausted. They have been traveling so
much. They're just mental emotional
capacity for for the game right now is just like so low, right.
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And so we want to recognize that.
So it's hard to even come at them right now with this like
let's capitalize. You have this offseason in
August, Let's capitalize and achieve this and go after this.
It's sort of like, dude, read the room, you know?
Like too much. It's.
Too much. Yes.
And so that is kind of where ourdiscussion started and our full
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team meeting in OGX was more of a like read the room.
Your athletes are absolutely exhausted and they're probably
communicating like on X. That's like what an amazing this
that and because it's this like mask, but deep down what they're
probably saying to their like best friend is like, I'm so glad
I got a break, right. So it's like it's understanding
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that, it's respecting that for the athletes, but also helping
to educate them in a way that's like, listen, you can take the
break you need, but also let's make sure that we do it in a way
that's really smart, that is like calculated, let us help you
navigate that, etcetera. So on Monday when we had this
discussion with our team, we also talked about like the
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different scenarios. 1 is if there are athletes that are
coming out with like pain, there's athletes that are like
they, they have been pushing through pain these last couple
of weeks the season. These are maybe some of the
athletes where they may need to take some time and maybe take
some time beyond like a standardtwo weeks.
If we're in this world of like what you know, is it is it pain
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that essentially like is not going away with a few days rest,
etcetera. For the most part, though, and
as we always remind ourselves, Laura, feel free to chime in
with this pain is that equal injury?
Pain is the body's signal. It's alerting your the brain
that there's something there. If we continue to ignore it and
we we failed to to, you know, take the necessary steps or
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action, you know, you know, to take the necessary measures, I
guess to squash that pain and tonavigate around it, it can turn
into injury. So I think most of the time
we're just dealing with athleteswho are like, I've had posterior
shoulder pain. My back is starting to bother
me. Things that in this typical two
week time period usually subsides when we remove the task
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of pitching, remove the task of hitting whatever is going on and
then we can build from there. So I'm going to kind of lay out
how the discussion we ultimatelyhad as a team on Monday and then
you can chime in with, you know,where this comes from and what
we've learned over the years, etcetera.
So most of the time what we tellour athletes to do is first and
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foremost once they finish, it isOK to remove the skill for
probably about two weeks. Most of them have the time to do
that. We always say, you know, when
you're considering taking time off, don't forget to consider
the ramp up. The ramp up in general, it's not
perfect, is about a one to one ratio, meaning the amount of
weeks you take off, you should ramp up that amount, those
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amount of weeks. So if you take off the first two
weeks of August, you were going to spend the remaining two weeks
off of ramp up. And reminder also pitch stop,
big discussion about this is your topic of pitch stop.
Ramp up is not about performance, it's about just
dosing, volume, intensity, different variables and making
sure your body responds positively to that, that we
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don't have any type of excessivesoreness, pain, etcetera.
So that means that you would spend basically the month of
August off right from like training for performance.
And then that would start in September, which works for most
athletes because they don't start playing in the fall again
until the end of September, October.
Now the overwhelming majority ofcases what we see is we're
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tracking our athletes throughoutthis summer season.
And the most of them have even come from a high school season
in the spring right into summer,right is that they are their
movement quality is terrible. Their stability is terrible.
They have just jumped ship on strength and conditioning
because it's been just like so difficult for them as they're
traveling. They just like the idea of
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adding anything else feels so overwhelming to them.
And So what we usually advocate is to spend those two weeks like
really going back to your foundation and rebuilding your
stability, strength, etcetera. In strength conditioning, you
can remove the skill for two straight weeks.
It actually feels like a lot of time when you haven't even had
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two days. Two weeks feels like, you know,
with a lifetime for these athletes.
And then remember, you spend thenext two weeks, I'm going to
talk pitching specifically, you are going, you know, just three
days a week. You're throwing plyos only, low
intensity only. It really does feel like an
extensive break to these athletes.
So I think for any athlete out there, any parent who's like
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their, their daughter thinks like, I need way more than two
weeks. I would really advise against
that because, you know, the turnaround for the fall season
actually happens pretty quickly.And I I think if you are stuck
in the culture where you think that what training looks like is
full intensity 43 feet, go, go, go, go.
Yeah, your daughter does need a break from that.
But two weeks of remove the skill, two weeks of then dose it
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back. Now she can go into September
and she's ready to like hit the ground running, right.
And so that's usually what we advise strengthening auditioning
is of the utmost importance during this time and what we are
advocating big time, not only tooutside athletes who are not in
OGX at the time right now training with us, but our
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current athletes who are just inour system on a regular basis.
This is really one of the most important times to get another
bio mechanics assessment. So we've been really starting to
talk about, you know, the idea of bio mechanics assessment of
like when do I get them? Ideally, our athletes who have a
training package with us that the bio mechanics assessments
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are built in, then the time frame would be August, November,
right? So at the beginning, the end of
the summer, the beginning of offseason, at the end of the
fall season like February, March, at the end of offseason.
And then right between the transition of like spring to
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summer, which is like end of May, right.
Those would be the four times that we would say in an ideal
world. Now some of our athletes and
some athletes out there are justkind of picking random times to
do a bio mechanics assessment. We would say priority one, the
number one, if you do 1 assessment a year, the best time
for it would probably be in November, right?
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That is when like you're kickingoff your offseason, we now know
what to target and training whatwe're going after.
You can chime in about this likedegrading value of a bio
mechanics assessment. You can't get one one time and
then three years later still be training off of that
information, right? I mean, you can't, but it's not
great. But the next, the next time that
we would recommend, if you're going to prioritize 2 bio
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mechanics assessments a year, wewould say go for the beginning
of offseason. And now now because this is also
your like mini offseason that you have in August, September
before this like 2 month fall season.
And so we are encouraging a lot of athletes out there to like
come get a bio mechanic assessment.
Now this is the time because what you don't want summer to
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fall to turn into is I'm exhausted.
Let me just take this time off, then let me just start training
again based off of what? Based off of things I think.
And then basically, I'll be a slightly fresh sure in the fall,
but I'm just going to be the same version of myself in the
fall that I was in in the summer.
And we can take a much more targeted approach to you showing
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up in the fall elevated from where you were in the summer,
not just because you aren't as exhausted.
And art, is that going to be true?
Even you're going to have schoolunder your belt now in the fall,
Like let's not make the assumption you're not going to
be as exhausted, right? So I think this idea of like we
can target this time period, youcan maximize your off time, we
can target ramp up with a reallystrong two week protocol, get a
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bio mechanics assessment, know exactly how to leverage what
you're doing, how to maximize it.
Boom, you've got these eight weeks and now we can reset for
the offseason. So that's in a nutshell how this
discussion went across our team on Monday.
Laura, I'm going to pass the torch to you a little bit here
just to kind of go into some of these details of like why that's
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our recommendation and maybe even give some examples of of
some examples of where an athlete has done that, not done
that, etcetera. Yeah, I as we were talking on on
Monday during full team my, you know, my brain kind of kept
going back to what we've really,I think at the heart of our
assessment process is really sort of a, a stress test, so to
speak. It really can't give us an
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indicator because of the way we utilize it with having low
intensity movements, you know, things related more maybe to
strength and conditioning and wecall movement quality
understanding power, right, these snapshots.
But you mentioned the kind of degrading value of the, of the
bio mechanics assessment. It does not mean that you
shouldn't get one. It just means that it needs to
be another layer of your monitoring.
It needs to be an additional layer of your monitoring.
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The the what we see at these points of the year.
So you know, now and November and we turn around after high
school, usually out of the offseason.
We're we're feeling pretty good,right?
Because the volume of game stress, we hope that has been
mainly eliminated. Maybe we're talking about a
random tournament here or there or a camp or a series of camps.
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That's always a tricky thing to navigate.
But what we're with that assessment really can help us
and to help the pitcher to understand is like, what has the
game sort of done to me at this point?
And the reason you want that at multiple points throughout the
year is that your body will change.
As you mentioned, you're like, yeah, we're going to take the
month of August off, but I, I always think we're going to
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start our college assessments here in a few weeks.
I always think like those freshmen, freshmen into high
school, freshmen into college, same concepts, like they're
going to be stressed. The change of environment.
You know, there's lots of thingsgoing on in sort of a school
year that already. Inside notes they usually look
terrible. That's right, like they're they
look. Terrible.
Right. The freshmen that we see on
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college campuses, and it's not their fault.
This is not a criticism that they didn't do enough to prepare
themselves. It's that usually this
combination of they've played all summer.
Maybe they're on with a travel organization that, you know,
kind of respects the fact that they're heading off to college
and maybe plays limited tournaments or prioritizes
tournaments. They're exhausted.
And I, I just think like that assessment when we go, and I'm
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going to go back to high school in a second, but when we see
those college freshmen, I'm like, this isn't the best
version of you. And it, it's not really unfair
that we're having an assessment,but we got to know where you
are. And I think that's really the
crux is you've got to know what,what has game stress done to
your body? What has game stress done to
your mental, your physical fatigue, your emotional fatigue?
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And so our assessment can get tothe physical part of it,
obviously with understanding allof the complexities of not just
the pitching motion of all the things that feed it and all
these different pieces, especially linking obviously the
bio mechanics to ball flight andunderstanding that from a
performance side. But there is, I have absolute
respect for pitchers that need mental breaks, emotional breaks,
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even physical breaks. I think what we have to just be
thoughtful of is that the reality of our high school
athletes right now is that they play almost all year round.
When we're talking about an offseason, there are some
athletes that might get a month,you know, and you can throw we
we're not even talking about multiple sports.
We're going through the lens of that.
They're just playing softball. So never mind multiple sports in
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that conversation that they may not get this significant, you
know, 3-4 months off that maybe another another player might
have. And you have to know what these
transition points throughout your year.
What do I look like? Because going into and remember
how we time these now after travel ball season again, get a
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sense of like, I've got a littlebit of a break.
What do I need to maybe hone in on?
I'm headed to the camp. I should know what my pitch
types look like. If I'm a pitcher going to a camp
at the end of August and I haven't seen my ball flight
since February, I want to make sure I've got that under my belt
so when I go to that camp, I know what I'm throwing to get
put myself on the best stage possible.
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Even though I. Might I always use this analogy?
Stop applying to Harvard with a 23 ACT just because you don't
know you have a 23 ACT. It's like you, you can't get in.
I don't care how hard of a worker you are.
I don't care how hard you hustleon and off that field.
You can't get into Harvard #23 ACT because they have to start
with a threshold of like, here'swhere it cuts.
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And then we'll observe those characteristics in the athletes
that cross that threshold for us.
So if you know where you stand before you spend your fortune
going to a camp all your time, all your whatever like, you've
got to know, OK, go ahead. Yeah, yeah.
And I think we're, you know, where I see in the, in the
coaches that I get the opportunity to talk talked to
about, you know, the, how their summer went recruiting.
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And, and what this process lookslike right now is they're
looking for a combination of things, coaches that are, are
really, I think refining their recruiting process and are, are
really trying to make it more efficient because it can be very
inefficient. The amount of travel, the heat,
the amount of games, weather, all of it be very inefficient.
They need two sources. They need to see you in a game.
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No question. There is still value of seeing
someone's in game presence, but the other side of it then is
they're either going to hey, I really liked her on the rubber
that weekend. Let's invite her to a camp and
get some more information. So they're going to do that
process anyway. Wouldn't you want to be ahead of
that process? I guess is what I always sort of
say to our our families this like the the assessment, whether
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you do it one time right now, especially in preparation.
We've got September 1st coming. We've got, you know, maybe some
some hearts soaring and some hearts breaking on September 1st
this year. Don't you want to know?
Don't you want to know that that, that that college offer or
the coach you're going after is that you that's a right fit for
you? I think you need to know that.
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And I think it absolutely demystifies recruiting on both
sides. And so you know, whether they
see you at a game and then invite you to a camp or, or you
come get an assessment and we are able to to translate that
information for them or you started a camp and they see you
in a game. Either way, you have to have
both. But I'll say, you know, the
majority of coaches right now are like, I see you in a game,
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but I also need to see some concrete information about you
because as we all are, you know,starting to really understand
pitching patterns don't say the same throughout the year, right?
We've we've established that. And so I think you have to know,
you have to know at this time ofyear especially what what did my
high school, if I played high school this spring, what did my
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high school season plus my travel ball season, what did it
leave me with right now? What am I left with right now?
If I have a camp at the end of August or sometime in September,
what am I bringing to the table?I think by just that alone, an
assessment this time of year is,is a necessity for that.
And you know, I always think about that as I say this, this
comment of like, we're really inthe business of like stress
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management, which is I think very real for the way our
training protocols are applied, the way our assessment is
designed. And coming into an assessment is
not about whether you're good orbad.
I, I always like to clarify thatit's not about you're good,
you're bad and we put you in a bucket.
It's just about you and what do you need right now.
And sure, there are benchmarks because most of the time this
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conversation, particularly at the high school level, is driven
by recruiting, right? So of course we're going to have
benchmarks. We're going to talk about, you
know, your experience, especially with college
consulting in season of like you're a one time through the
lineup, you're a two time through the lineup at this
level. Is that is that what you want
that I mean, that alone, I thinkit's just the most value to come
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out of that bio mechanics assessment.
It's really about stress management.
And so those multiple points in the year we're talking about are
key points of transition. And you've got to know as you're
making that transition, in my opinion, what you're dealing
with, especially if you're having recurrent soreness.
You know, we, I, I sort of taken, I've taken out the use of
the word soreness. To be honest, we've talked about
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it as pain because it is pain. We don't want to degrade it to
soreness When, when your shoulder is in pain after
pitching, you are in pain. It doesn't matter if that number
is A1A2 and it's not a seven or an 8.
You know, I think we often timesask athletes to distinguish
between pain and soreness and, and I would argue right now
there really shouldn't be a difference between that.
Your body is still sending a signal regardless of the.
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Intensity like semantics at thatpoint.
It, it is. And so, you know, I think coming
around the bench now, I think there are, you know, we have a
lot of a lot of our current assessments are, you know, we're
middle schoolers, maybe early high school.
And I'm like, that is awesome. And we want them here.
We want them to keep doing thoseassessments and training with
us. But I also think about like,
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like those high school juniors and even high school seniors
that maybe are nervous about September 1st and maybe just
want to make sure that they knowtheir story so that if it goes
the way they want or it doesn't go the way they want, they're
still armed with information about who the heck they are
right now. And I think that's a really
critical piece to kind of navigating, you know, especially
in that recruiting world, navigating what comes next for
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them for. Sure.
Yeah, I think I wrote a couple notes of as you were talking
there, and I think this one concept of like Max performance,
the assessment is not about measuring your Max performance.
You're rarely at your Max performance just because of the
nature of the games you're long.And so I think of like you're
rarely at Max performance. The the one of the biggest, I
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think benefits of the assessmentis to literally see exactly
where you are in the now. It obviously gives us a lot of
information on like where I don't want to say a ceiling
because a ceiling means like a stop, but you know what I mean
by that concept of like, OK, based on this, we think you
could you could get to this thisquickly and this this quickly.
So it gives us an idea of where you can get to, I would say a.
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Little triaging, it's like we know that OK, we're talking
about maybe refinement of a pitch profile or we're like,
hey, that pitch is not working or we can make one single hand
position. Those are obviously very short
term in the moment which our assessment shouldn't form.
But then you're right, there is more of a a long term, I don't
want to say predictability, but we can see that if patterns stay
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the way they are now without influence or change, we see that
right ahead for that picture. Yeah.
And we also know, we also know what patterns are unlikely to
change and what's are simple to change, right.
So, but what I'm getting at is this idea of like, we're always
chasing. And by we, I mean like the
athletes and their families, they're always chasing Max
performance. And what I think is interesting
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is like if you're going to have a shot at getting at Max
performance. You have to measure where you
are, which then provides the most like targeted approach of
like what to go after and what not.
It's like immediately it's like,here's the lowest singing fruit.
You got this, you got this, you got this.
Go do this right. So I think it is this kind of
wild concept of like what assessment about is not about
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measuring Max performance. It's about seeing how to
basically get there as quickly as possible.
And so it's about efficiency of that of that process.
And so if you are in the world of like, I want, I want my
daughter to get to Max efficiency or Max, you know,
performance for where she is in the now, but you don't go after
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these measurements. Like it's just hypocritical.
And then I don't mean that to belike, you know, like I don't
mean that to be overly critical.You are it's just like kind of
wild. So I think that's that's an
interesting thing to think about.
I also think this idea of September 1st is interesting in
the standpoint of like sometimesI think athletes make the
assumption like the summer is what is going to dictate my
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September 1st. The overwhelming majority of
athletes you get calls on September 1st are like, we're
going to continue to watch you this fall.
And we have watched so many athletes make the mistake of
like they're so exhausted. They just, they didn't maybe
take a break at all. They just kept going to like
seek this Max performance without taking into
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consideration maybe the rest they needed what their patterns
look like. What we needed a plan.
Basically what I'm getting at isthey never took this opportunity
to create a plan. Do you need time off?
Do you need more time off than most people?
Do you need less time off for most people?
Why? Like that's what we're getting
at is to like, take this moment,take a breather, take what you
need mentally, emotionally, findout what your plan really should
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be. And so we've watched athletes
just like keep churning because they're like, got to grind it
out, got to go. And September 1st the
conversations were about we're going to continue watching you
this fall. We're very interested and they
didn't perform that well in the fall, but because why would
they, right? There was never this
opportunity. So I guess what we're really
trying to say in a nutshell hereis whatever, forget the
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September 1st. Sometimes I can't stand
September 1st because I just feel like it sets up.
I really can't. It's just like this build up to
more of a conversation that's like keep being you and we're
going to keep what? Yes, so anyway, that's a whole
nother conversation, but I thinkthat what we're trying to get to
is this like create a plan. You can actually maximize your
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time off if you have the right plan in place, right.
And so we're like the best way to attack this time of year.
Going back to my initial, like, dude, read the room.
Is not this like, yes, it's a mini offseason.
Let's crush it. And our athletes are sliding
down the wall. That's the read the room.
This is the conversation and what we talked to our coaches
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about. It's like, this is how we want
to communicate with our athletes.
Take a breather. Reflect on all you've
accomplished over these last couple of months.
Take a breather. Let's measure where you're at
right now. Let's measure.
Measure where your stability, your strength are, what we can
attack in strength and conditioning.
Let's measure whether we see your health and Wellness.
We're seeing if we have anythingother factors to consider, which
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is like any pain, let's measure where you are pattern wise off
flight wise. We've got everything on the
table now. Let's create a plan that is
targeted, that is efficient, that maximizes the time you need
physically, mentally, emotionally to take a breather
and also to accomplish X when you return in the fall, right?
And so I think that's what we'rereally talking about here.
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And so I think this time of yearis so interesting because it's
this collision of I think when athletes and families get it
wrong, I don't mean to say like get it wrong, but like are not
maybe doing it the best way thatit should be done.
It's when they mismanaged time off.
Like I wrote down camps because I was thinking like athletes go,
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they take off like 2 weeks afternationals and then they have a
camp. Yeah, it's wild.
And so it's wild. So we're just like, no, right.
Like you can't expect to go likezero to 100 like that.
So they mismanaged time off. Maybe they take none at all and
they needed to, or they take toomuch and then try to like go for
it without a ramp up or understanding how performance
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suffers after time off. Which is totally fine as long as
you build in a ramp up. It's normal.
It's normal deconditioning I think.
Absolutely. Take softball out of it.
Anytime you take that level of stress and physical activity
away from the body, it's going to change.
I mean, that's right. It's just what, you're just
going to decondition every athlete?
Goes through that right and so we often see this collision of
two major concepts that I think we feel so deeply educated in
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and like let us help you. There's a mismanagement of time
off and a talk about blindfolding yourself and then
going behind the wheel and trying to navigate Max
performance when it's just like you've got no idea what you're
going for and you put all of this pressure and stress on
September 1st and then the fall and then showing up but there's
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no plan right and you're saying like get ahead of what you look
like where you need to be etcetera.
So you know I I think about likethe athletes that are like I
just need to go up in Velo. All the college coaches have
said if I just go up in Velo, then that's where I need to be
and we're like. OK, it's been the most common
statement I've heard all summer.Right.
And so I'm like, if that's true,if you're at this like threshold
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of like, OK, if we can get you to go up and V low.
But one, do you have any idea where V low is coming from for
you? Like we are seeing athletes
where like they are their speed at which they're moving, their
power profile is so low. So it's like if you don't
identify where velocity, the velocity like bucket is most
influenced for you, is it like this straining conditioning?
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Power. You know how?
How fast you move in the motion,Is it inefficiency in the
motion, meaning we're not getting enough rotation, we
don't have enough length in the arm, the arm is out of time.
Like there's so many different places of where we're talking
about with when it comes to velocity.
You don't even know where that is.
This is not even a discussion wecan have because you're just
going to spin your wheels right then.
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It's like what we often actuallysee with athletes.
It's like you going from 59 to 63 is not going to influence
your collegiate career. Instead, you need to understand
that in the grand scheme of pitchers at the collegiate
level, you are not a high V low pitcher.
We're talking you're not throwing 68 plus.
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So if you're not throwing 68 plus, then it's all the same,
right? And so instead, what levels of
break and variability do you produce?
We think we can add an off speedhere.
What if we have create variability off that pitch by
teaching you how to do this versus this, right?
Like it's so targeted and efficient.
I think that is a perfect way ofbeing able to explain based on
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these variables. I we don't anticipate that you
are going to go from this velocity to this velocity.
And here's why in that time frame.
And so because of that, stop considering yourself that like V
lows your ticket. It's not, but variability is.
And here's how we can get that. And you're actually much likely
to much more likely to get, you know, have higher level of swing
and miss rates to start to catchsome eyes in the fall season if
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you do this. But there's just no way of doing
that. I just feel like a lot of times
athletes are just, they have this idea of who they are and
what they do and what they need to do and they just keep
chasing. It's like this catching the tail
concept that came up last week'sepisode, right?
Chasing your tail. Is this like they're just trying
to keep chasing the tail of somelike idea of what they are
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without the information. So it's lack of information, a
lack of planning meets mismanagement of time off.
It's the collision of those those pieces.
And we're like, we're your people, utilize us for at least
one, if not both. We are your people.
I mean, I think that's why we feel like this is such a
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powerful topic to sort of like to announce out there to non OGX
athletes and also current OGX athletes.
Our current OGX athletes get thebenefit of us helping them
manage their workload. It's embedded in their everyday
programming and training. But assessment is something
different. The add on of an assessment is
something different. So this message and this topic
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applies to all athletes, whetherthey're working with us right
now or not. Yeah, and I, I think even, you
know, as I, I kind of take out a, a larger view back of this
concept of like getting assessedmultiple times per year, knowing
who you are. We, you know, we've talked, I
could talk ad nauseam about the influence of puberty in pitchers
and all of the chaos that ensuesfrom that.
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A lot of conversations this weekwith athletes that are are just
navigating that. I want to be clear though, that
when we talk about the puberty transition, we talk about peak
height velocity, meaning that growth spurt up just reaches its
fastest point. It doesn't stop.
So high school pitchers are still growing.
And if you are adding strength and conditioning to that, you
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are adding mass to your body, that has to be renegotiated,
right? So if you go through a training
cycle, let's say that's 12 weeksof an offseason and you have put
on 15 lbs of solid mass. You are, you are, you know, more
powerful, you're lifting heavier.
That is amazing. It does not automatically
translate to your pitching motion.
It's too complicated, meaning wehave to train that to work up
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into the motion. And so, you know, this idea of
I'm, I'm just going to get an assessment maybe as a freshman
and, or I'm never going to know what my patterns are until I'm a
senior. And it's sometimes too late.
Whether that's pain and injury, whether that's, you know, the,
the performance trajectory they thought they were on is not
realistic now. It's so incredibly hard to
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change those, those ingrained patterns.
We, you know, we talk about thatall the time, but your body is
still changing. So I, I've said this multiple
times in the last few weeks to some of our, the parents of our
high school athletes. You still want that assessment
because there have been great examples in our facility, you
know, athletes training and, andmaybe she has, she's
particularly tall or she's just,is, is growing.
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She's like, man, I've been really struggling with my
command. And, you know, one of us asked
the question of like, well, are your clothes fitting a little
tighter? Are your shoes tighter?
And she's like, actually, yeah, I had to go buy new jeans last
week because she grew 2 inches, right?
It doesn't mean that growth stops, it just means it slows
down. And so it can be, it can be a
little insidious, meaning those changes in growth as you add
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hopefully strengthening conditioning, you're going to
add body mass just naturally that you have to have those
checkpoints of are your patternsmoving in a healthy direction?
Set performance aside for a second, but are they moving in a
healthy direction? Are you setting up your arm to
have longevity in order to accept the, you know, the forces
it needs at the timing that it needs to throw as hard as you
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can. And that is, that's still, it is
a shifting foundation for a lot of athletes.
And so that's where I think thatthe bio mechanics assessment at
multiple points in a year at least tells you if you're
dealing with the same thing you did last cycle.
And can we progress or do we need to take a step back, maybe
retool some things while your brain and body continue to
connect themselves? We, we make this assumption that
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like, I think sometimes that like puberty hits and this is
her body and it's what it's going to be.
And it's like, wait a minute, that's not what a human being
is. And it's still growing.
I mean, there, you know, there are years after puberty until
kids reach their skeletal maturity.
It's going to take time. And so that level of assessment
in addition to just, you know, obviously being very clear with
who you are and what your current performances is like,
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let's just like keep an eye on some things that are still
changing. I'll be a heck of a lot more
slowly, but let's keep an eye onsome things that are changing.
Those assessments in my mind arejust another, they're top layer
of monitoring for athletes that are seeking that depth of
performance and want to chase it, that want to know
themselves. I mean, it, it's just, it's such
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an amazing starting point for that conversation.
And again, I just want to reiterate, it's not about good
or bad. It's not about whether you fit
into a good bucket or a bad bucket.
I, you know, that that those conversations are, are not about
being in one or the other. It's about who you are and what
really the position has done to you and how you're going to
battle back from that, whether pain or injury or performance.
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But it's yeah, I, I could mean I'm very biased, obviously, as
you know, we've created this assessment.
But the value of it, I mean, I just see the relief that that
families feel. I can feel the relief from the
athletes when, you know, we say like, hey, we, we program three
days a week, right? We see your patterns and we know
that three days a week with strength and conditioning and
pitching, some rest, some good workload management.
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We feel pretty confident in that.
But the wild card is always chasing all the other things.
We sometimes can think we have an amazing plan with a family,
with a pitcher and we're going in the same direction.
And, and there's just like squirrel like distracted
something on social media. And I don't blame them.
That's what it's supposed to do,right?
It's supposed to plug you in these directions.
And so even more so that, that, that that assessment, that
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process needs to be your foundation.
And then you can be very selective and, and be very
discriminatory essentially of like what you choose to listen
to then and what fits your story.
And I think it takes out all the, you talk about all the
time, takes out the noise. It gives you the, it gives you
what you need and it takes out the noise.
And then you can select what youchoose to let influence you.
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Yep. I think going back to the
concept of our current OGX athletes, these are athletes
that train with us on a regular basis.
This is there's no doubt about it, OK, you started maybe off
with an initial assessment. We got this information, we
created this plan. Are we going to do a much better
job of managing your workload throughout the year?
Absolutely. Are we more educated than most
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people on understanding like OK,we are going after more sync on
drop off. How do we do that?
How do we program for that? Is the program likely more
thoughtful, more educated, more individualized?
Yes, yes, yes, yes. Right.
But there comes a point where wecan't see everything with our
eye. And if we could, we wouldn't
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have a lab. So I mean, there's just a
reality. We wouldn't have a lab if we
could just see it all with our eye.
So there comes a point where we're not seeing everything
we're following yes, here's thisinitial assessment.
Here are the goals. Here's how we think we're going
to attack it. We're going to we're going to
build that program and then throughout the year going to
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take into consideration all the external factors that you have
going on, external variables of playing, you know, vacation
sickness, I hurt my elbow, whatever and keep fluctuating
that plan based off of that. But let's be clear, that
program, yes, it has the feedback loop of constant data,
but it's all based off of the goals and the the baseline level
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of information from that assessment that happened a year
ago. So there is this world where
like we are missing things. Of course we are missing things.
We cannot see things with our eyes.
Like I said, then we wouldn't have a lab, we wouldn't have
these cameras that are able and to spit out this level of data.
And so I also sometimes think now that we have this elevated
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level of bio mechanics data, it's important for our current
athletes to understand that likegetting that is, is is
incredibly important. And for for our athletes who are
training all year long, whether it's remotely or especially in
house, I think maybe they are under the assumption that
they're maximizing what we have.We've got tech everyday, they're
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in HQ, they're seeing their data, they've got the education
of OGX coaches. Is that so far beyond like an
average pitching lesson? Obviously, But there's an extra
layer here. I mean, truly maximizing being a
part of OGX is staying up on some regular level of bio
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mechanics assessment. And like I said, for the
athletes who it feasibly legit make sense for them and their
families to just build it in those four times a year.
Amazing. But then start to work backward.
Can I do 2 * a year? Can I do one time a year?
But to not do at least one time of the year, which in our minds
is like the bare minimum, you'reyou're falling back into this.
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Like, yeah, you're part of OGX. Yes, we're definitely going to
be able to, to do all these things for you better than the
average pitching coach. I mean, it's apples to oranges.
However, it is important to understand that there's this
like there's this piece here that we're that we're missing.
We're just going to be missing things because we don't have it.
So I think that's really a big piece of our conversation,
right? It's like the power of the bio
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mechanics assessment. It's not just for the athlete
and their education. It is also for us coaches to see
that layer of information that cannot be seen with the eye.
Not because our eyes are not good enough, but it's just not
possible for the human eye to see that level of data and
information. So, yeah, I think that this is
like this because this time period is 1 of of those major
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times we said it is number one time to get one is probably this
like November, December. The number two time is this
August. So I think if you're sitting out
there and you're listening to this and your daughter already
is involved with OGX, at some point you've got to really ask
yourself like, what's my plan tomake sure that the training and
programming that her coaches aredoing at OGX are working off the
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most updated level of information as possible.
You know what's my plan to make sure that I've got a system in
place for that. Yeah.
And externally to us pitching instructors across the world,
we're not your adversary, I promise, right.
The number of athletes we've hadin the last few weeks that I've
to talk to a sales conversation or we've had them in the
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facility for an assessment have said I work with I work with
this instructor they sent me here because they don't have
access to this. Sure heck right.
That is the relationship. I think that is so valuable.
That puts the athlete at the center of this conversation.
Is the instructor saying, hey, look, I'm an individual
instructor, Maybe I do this on my own property or I rent a
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small space. I don't have the means to be
full blown with a launchpad and all of the bells and whistles.
No problem. You don't have to be.
We can do that for you, that we're not your opposition in
that. And so the the end result of
that process is is a report and a, you know, a debrief
conversation that that instructor can listen to.
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Can and I always tell, you know,athletes that are remote, like
our best remote training productis when the local instructors,
whether they're the strength coaches, the personal trainers,
the pitching instructor doesn't matter high school coach when
they're all on the same, when weare all on the same page, not
that they're on the same page with us, but that we are all on
the same page and that, you know, starting from a point that
is it's objective, it it is clear in connecting performance
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to your pitching patterns. That's the apples to apples
conversation for the pitching instructor.
And so I love when we get repeatassessments from pitching
instructors that are sending their athletes to us that they
find the value in as well. They're learning alongside their
own athletes. You know, the athletes are
training with us, of course, like they're going to have the,
the advantage of working directly with us.
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But just coming for assessments,even if you're local and have a
local instructor are still, theyare still so vital and so
important and information you can bring back to your
instructor. We, we want to help you in that
regard. Yep.
So I think if we just had to summarize this, I think you
know, one being sensitive, yeah,come get assessed, right is come
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is not come get assessed. But yes, come get assessed is,
is to really like empathize withour athletes and families on
their level of just like overwhelm right now and fatigue,
etcetera, etcetera. Like that's super important.
But to then recognize that, makesure they understand you feel
that that you're taking that into consideration.
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But then, you know, ask the questions, what is the plan for
time off related to what you're working back to, whether it's
camps, whether it's just your fall season?
Is there a thoughtful plan or isit just random?
OK, so that's one question. And the other is what when
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you're going to return to performance, whether it's in
August, September, based on if it's just for fall season, it
is, you know, for camps, etcetera.
What what level of information are you armed with to really
attack that? Because likely your athlete is
going to take a little bit of time off.
So you're going to have a short period of time to then go after
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it. What level information are you
armed with to go into that time period?
And is the information you're armed with something like
relevant to the time you're in? Is it outdated?
Is it current? Right?
Like I think these are all the concepts we have to really ask
ourselves. It's like it is a very wacky
time. It's like between August and
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October, you do you're in like offseason, preseason and season
all over again. It's like this really quick.
It's literally like taking November through July and then
you just re literally the crunchit together and then you go
through that all over again in August, September, October,
November, right, you just like four months you go through.
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You know what you did the entireAbsolutely.
So. It's it's own whirlwind.
And so I think we're like, go inprepared re, you know, literally
like, yes, like take the time you need, recover from the
craziness that was March, you know, and again, not everyone's
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high school season the same, butMarch through July, recover from
that time period. And now educate yourself,
created an educated plan. And then, you know, make sure
it's as efficient as possible. It's as targeted as as possible.
It takes into consideration the individual variables that you're
facing in this time period so that this next couple of months
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doesn't just become a whirlwind where everything feels
overwhelming. Again, you know, we can, we can
prepare so much better for that time period.
So I think that's really what this discussion is really
centered around. So hopefully for those of you
that are listening again, whether you're currently an OGX
athlete or you're not, and you're just, you know, in this
overwhelm of like, I just need to sit back, like, I don't know
what we're doing. We just need breather.
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We get it. But also, you know, it's you
don't have to sacrifice one or the other.
You just got to be efficient in what that plan really looks
like. Yeah.
All right. Great discussion.
It was a great discussion on Monday.
Of course, we think it's a greatdiscussion because between the
two of us, but it was a great discussion with our team on
Monday. We felt so strongly about it
that we thought it was worth kind of like, like I said,
getting onto this podcast and announcing it more to the
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external audience. So hopefully there's a few
Nuggets here that people can take and it helps them evaluate
like not maybe not even just their plan for this time of
year, specifically in this like August, September, but also
helps them kind of navigate seeing the year as a plan,
putting in place plans throughout the year.
Hopefully it even just helps youunderstand how important that is
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Hi everyone. We're back for another episode
of the OGX Podcast. I am the host today, just the
two of us. I am the host.
Krista is out of town. So Laura and I will be recording
today's topic, which is we're going to center this discussion
around high school level athletes.
So we're recording this, it's the very end of July.
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This is the week of nationals for most athletes, I think maybe
at least the 18 U athletes in whether it's California for PGF,
whether it's alliance in Indianapolis.
And we've been having a lot of discussion with our high school
level OGX athletes about like, what do I do afterward?
And so this came up in a full team meeting that we had earlier
(00:50):
in the week and we were like, hey, what a great topic or
podcast and to if there's a lot of education, a lot of
information, a lot of things that we we discussed as a team
wanted to make sure that we werediscussing with our coaches at
OGX as far as the types of things we should be talking to
our athletes about how to communicate and educate them
appropriately. So why not bring the topic onto
the onto the podcast, I think. It's a great topic.
(01:11):
Yeah. So basically here's the
crossroads that a lot of I thinkathletes find themselves in.
They are totally spent. I mean, they are exhausted.
Their families are exhausted. They have been traveling so
much. They're just mental emotional
capacity for for the game right now is just like so low, right.
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And so we want to recognize that.
So it's hard to even come at them right now with this like
let's capitalize. You have this offseason in
August, Let's capitalize and achieve this and go after this.
It's sort of like, dude, read the room, you know?
Like too much. It's.
Too much. Yes.
And so that is kind of where ourdiscussion started and our full
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team meeting in OGX was more of a like read the room.
Your athletes are absolutely exhausted and they're probably
communicating like on X. That's like what an amazing this
that and because it's this like mask, but deep down what they're
probably saying to their like best friend is like, I'm so glad
I got a break, right. So it's like it's understanding
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that, it's respecting that for the athletes, but also helping
to educate them in a way that's like, listen, you can take the
break you need, but also let's make sure that we do it in a way
that's really smart, that is like calculated, let us help you
navigate that, etcetera. So on Monday when we had this
discussion with our team, we also talked about like the
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different scenarios. 1 is if there are athletes that are
coming out with like pain, there's athletes that are like
they, they have been pushing through pain these last couple
of weeks the season. These are maybe some of the
athletes where they may need to take some time and maybe take
some time beyond like a standardtwo weeks.
If we're in this world of like what you know, is it is it pain
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that essentially like is not going away with a few days rest,
etcetera. For the most part, though, and
as we always remind ourselves, Laura, feel free to chime in
with this pain is that equal injury?
Pain is the body's signal. It's alerting your the brain
that there's something there. If we continue to ignore it and
we we failed to to, you know, take the necessary steps or
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action, you know, you know, to take the necessary measures, I
guess to squash that pain and tonavigate around it, it can turn
into injury. So I think most of the time
we're just dealing with athleteswho are like, I've had posterior
shoulder pain. My back is starting to bother
me. Things that in this typical two
week time period usually subsides when we remove the task
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of pitching, remove the task of hitting whatever is going on and
then we can build from there. So I'm going to kind of lay out
how the discussion we ultimatelyhad as a team on Monday and then
you can chime in with, you know,where this comes from and what
we've learned over the years, etcetera.
So most of the time what we tellour athletes to do is first and
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foremost once they finish, it isOK to remove the skill for
probably about two weeks. Most of them have the time to do
that. We always say, you know, when
you're considering taking time off, don't forget to consider
the ramp up. The ramp up in general, it's not
perfect, is about a one to one ratio, meaning the amount of
weeks you take off, you should ramp up that amount, those
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amount of weeks. So if you take off the first two
weeks of August, you were going to spend the remaining two weeks
off of ramp up. And reminder also pitch stop,
big discussion about this is your topic of pitch stop.
Ramp up is not about performance, it's about just
dosing, volume, intensity, different variables and making
sure your body responds positively to that, that we
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don't have any type of excessivesoreness, pain, etcetera.
So that means that you would spend basically the month of
August off right from like training for performance.
And then that would start in September, which works for most
athletes because they don't start playing in the fall again
until the end of September, October.
Now the overwhelming majority ofcases what we see is we're
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tracking our athletes throughoutthis summer season.
And the most of them have even come from a high school season
in the spring right into summer,right is that they are their
movement quality is terrible. Their stability is terrible.
They have just jumped ship on strength and conditioning
because it's been just like so difficult for them as they're
traveling. They just like the idea of
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adding anything else feels so overwhelming to them.
And So what we usually advocate is to spend those two weeks like
really going back to your foundation and rebuilding your
stability, strength, etcetera. In strength conditioning, you
can remove the skill for two straight weeks.
It actually feels like a lot of time when you haven't even had
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two days. Two weeks feels like, you know,
with a lifetime for these athletes.
And then remember, you spend thenext two weeks, I'm going to
talk pitching specifically, you are going, you know, just three
days a week. You're throwing plyos only, low
intensity only. It really does feel like an
extensive break to these athletes.
So I think for any athlete out there, any parent who's like
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their, their daughter thinks like, I need way more than two
weeks. I would really advise against
that because, you know, the turnaround for the fall season
actually happens pretty quickly.And I I think if you are stuck
in the culture where you think that what training looks like is
full intensity 43 feet, go, go, go, go.
Yeah, your daughter does need a break from that.
But two weeks of remove the skill, two weeks of then dose it
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back. Now she can go into September
and she's ready to like hit the ground running, right.
And so that's usually what we advise strengthening auditioning
is of the utmost importance during this time and what we are
advocating big time, not only tooutside athletes who are not in
OGX at the time right now training with us, but our
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current athletes who are just inour system on a regular basis.
This is really one of the most important times to get another
bio mechanics assessment. So we've been really starting to
talk about, you know, the idea of bio mechanics assessment of
like when do I get them? Ideally, our athletes who have a
training package with us that the bio mechanics assessments
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are built in, then the time frame would be August, November,
right? So at the beginning, the end of
the summer, the beginning of offseason, at the end of the
fall season like February, March, at the end of offseason.
And then right between the transition of like spring to
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summer, which is like end of May, right.
Those would be the four times that we would say in an ideal
world. Now some of our athletes and
some athletes out there are justkind of picking random times to
do a bio mechanics assessment. We would say priority one, the
number one, if you do 1 assessment a year, the best time
for it would probably be in November, right?
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That is when like you're kickingoff your offseason, we now know
what to target and training whatwe're going after.
You can chime in about this likedegrading value of a bio
mechanics assessment. You can't get one one time and
then three years later still be training off of that
information, right? I mean, you can't, but it's not
great. But the next, the next time that
we would recommend, if you're going to prioritize 2 bio
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mechanics assessments a year, wewould say go for the beginning
of offseason. And now now because this is also
your like mini offseason that you have in August, September
before this like 2 month fall season.
And so we are encouraging a lot of athletes out there to like
come get a bio mechanic assessment.
Now this is the time because what you don't want summer to
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fall to turn into is I'm exhausted.
Let me just take this time off, then let me just start training
again based off of what? Based off of things I think.
And then basically, I'll be a slightly fresh sure in the fall,
but I'm just going to be the same version of myself in the
fall that I was in in the summer.
And we can take a much more targeted approach to you showing
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up in the fall elevated from where you were in the summer,
not just because you aren't as exhausted.
And art, is that going to be true?
Even you're going to have schoolunder your belt now in the fall,
Like let's not make the assumption you're not going to
be as exhausted, right? So I think this idea of like we
can target this time period, youcan maximize your off time, we
can target ramp up with a reallystrong two week protocol, get a
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bio mechanics assessment, know exactly how to leverage what
you're doing, how to maximize it.
Boom, you've got these eight weeks and now we can reset for
the offseason. So that's in a nutshell how this
discussion went across our team on Monday.
Laura, I'm going to pass the torch to you a little bit here
just to kind of go into some of these details of like why that's
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our recommendation and maybe even give some examples of of
some examples of where an athlete has done that, not done
that, etcetera. Yeah, I as we were talking on on
Monday during full team my, you know, my brain kind of kept
going back to what we've really,I think at the heart of our
assessment process is really sort of a, a stress test, so to
speak. It really can't give us an
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indicator because of the way we utilize it with having low
intensity movements, you know, things related more maybe to
strength and conditioning and wecall movement quality
understanding power, right, these snapshots.
But you mentioned the kind of degrading value of the, of the
bio mechanics assessment. It does not mean that you
shouldn't get one. It just means that it needs to
be another layer of your monitoring.
It needs to be an additional layer of your monitoring.
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The the what we see at these points of the year.
So you know, now and November and we turn around after high
school, usually out of the offseason.
We're we're feeling pretty good,right?
Because the volume of game stress, we hope that has been
mainly eliminated. Maybe we're talking about a
random tournament here or there or a camp or a series of camps.
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That's always a tricky thing to navigate.
But what we're with that assessment really can help us
and to help the pitcher to understand is like, what has the
game sort of done to me at this point?
And the reason you want that at multiple points throughout the
year is that your body will change.
As you mentioned, you're like, yeah, we're going to take the
month of August off, but I, I always think we're going to
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start our college assessments here in a few weeks.
I always think like those freshmen, freshmen into high
school, freshmen into college, same concepts, like they're
going to be stressed. The change of environment.
You know, there's lots of thingsgoing on in sort of a school
year that already. Inside notes they usually look
terrible. That's right, like they're they
look. Terrible.
Right. The freshmen that we see on
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college campuses, and it's not their fault.
This is not a criticism that they didn't do enough to prepare
themselves. It's that usually this
combination of they've played all summer.
Maybe they're on with a travel organization that, you know,
kind of respects the fact that they're heading off to college
and maybe plays limited tournaments or prioritizes
tournaments. They're exhausted.
And I, I just think like that assessment when we go, and I'm
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going to go back to high school in a second, but when we see
those college freshmen, I'm like, this isn't the best
version of you. And it, it's not really unfair
that we're having an assessment,but we got to know where you
are. And I think that's really the
crux is you've got to know what,what has game stress done to
your body? What has game stress done to
your mental, your physical fatigue, your emotional fatigue?
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And so our assessment can get tothe physical part of it,
obviously with understanding allof the complexities of not just
the pitching motion of all the things that feed it and all
these different pieces, especially linking obviously the
bio mechanics to ball flight andunderstanding that from a
performance side. But there is, I have absolute
respect for pitchers that need mental breaks, emotional breaks,
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even physical breaks. I think what we have to just be
thoughtful of is that the reality of our high school
athletes right now is that they play almost all year round.
When we're talking about an offseason, there are some
athletes that might get a month,you know, and you can throw we
we're not even talking about multiple sports.
We're going through the lens of that.
They're just playing softball. So never mind multiple sports in
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that conversation that they may not get this significant, you
know, 3-4 months off that maybe another another player might
have. And you have to know what these
transition points throughout your year.
What do I look like? Because going into and remember
how we time these now after travel ball season again, get a
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sense of like, I've got a littlebit of a break.
What do I need to maybe hone in on?
I'm headed to the camp. I should know what my pitch
types look like. If I'm a pitcher going to a camp
at the end of August and I haven't seen my ball flight
since February, I want to make sure I've got that under my belt
so when I go to that camp, I know what I'm throwing to get
put myself on the best stage possible.
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Even though I. Might I always use this analogy?
Stop applying to Harvard with a 23 ACT just because you don't
know you have a 23 ACT. It's like you, you can't get in.
I don't care how hard of a worker you are.
I don't care how hard you hustleon and off that field.
You can't get into Harvard #23 ACT because they have to start
with a threshold of like, here'swhere it cuts.
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And then we'll observe those characteristics in the athletes
that cross that threshold for us.
So if you know where you stand before you spend your fortune
going to a camp all your time, all your whatever like, you've
got to know, OK, go ahead. Yeah, yeah.
And I think we're, you know, where I see in the, in the
coaches that I get the opportunity to talk talked to
about, you know, the, how their summer went recruiting.
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And, and what this process lookslike right now is they're
looking for a combination of things, coaches that are, are
really, I think refining their recruiting process and are, are
really trying to make it more efficient because it can be very
inefficient. The amount of travel, the heat,
the amount of games, weather, all of it be very inefficient.
They need two sources. They need to see you in a game.
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No question. There is still value of seeing
someone's in game presence, but the other side of it then is
they're either going to hey, I really liked her on the rubber
that weekend. Let's invite her to a camp and
get some more information. So they're going to do that
process anyway. Wouldn't you want to be ahead of
that process? I guess is what I always sort of
say to our our families this like the the assessment, whether
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you do it one time right now, especially in preparation.
We've got September 1st coming. We've got, you know, maybe some
some hearts soaring and some hearts breaking on September 1st
this year. Don't you want to know?
Don't you want to know that that, that that college offer or
the coach you're going after is that you that's a right fit for
you? I think you need to know that.
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And I think it absolutely demystifies recruiting on both
sides. And so you know, whether they
see you at a game and then invite you to a camp or, or you
come get an assessment and we are able to to translate that
information for them or you started a camp and they see you
in a game. Either way, you have to have
both. But I'll say, you know, the
majority of coaches right now are like, I see you in a game,
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but I also need to see some concrete information about you
because as we all are, you know,starting to really understand
pitching patterns don't say the same throughout the year, right?
We've we've established that. And so I think you have to know,
you have to know at this time ofyear especially what what did my
high school, if I played high school this spring, what did my
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high school season plus my travel ball season, what did it
leave me with right now? What am I left with right now?
If I have a camp at the end of August or sometime in September,
what am I bringing to the table?I think by just that alone, an
assessment this time of year is,is a necessity for that.
And you know, I always think about that as I say this, this
comment of like, we're really inthe business of like stress
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management, which is I think very real for the way our
training protocols are applied, the way our assessment is
designed. And coming into an assessment is
not about whether you're good orbad.
I, I always like to clarify thatit's not about you're good,
you're bad and we put you in a bucket.
It's just about you and what do you need right now.
And sure, there are benchmarks because most of the time this
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conversation, particularly at the high school level, is driven
by recruiting, right? So of course we're going to have
benchmarks. We're going to talk about, you
know, your experience, especially with college
consulting in season of like you're a one time through the
lineup, you're a two time through the lineup at this
level. Is that is that what you want
that I mean, that alone, I thinkit's just the most value to come
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out of that bio mechanics assessment.
It's really about stress management.
And so those multiple points in the year we're talking about are
key points of transition. And you've got to know as you're
making that transition, in my opinion, what you're dealing
with, especially if you're having recurrent soreness.
You know, we, I, I sort of taken, I've taken out the use of
the word soreness. To be honest, we've talked about
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it as pain because it is pain. We don't want to degrade it to
soreness When, when your shoulder is in pain after
pitching, you are in pain. It doesn't matter if that number
is A1A2 and it's not a seven or an 8.
You know, I think we often timesask athletes to distinguish
between pain and soreness and, and I would argue right now
there really shouldn't be a difference between that.
Your body is still sending a signal regardless of the.
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Intensity like semantics at thatpoint.
It, it is. And so, you know, I think coming
around the bench now, I think there are, you know, we have a
lot of a lot of our current assessments are, you know, we're
middle schoolers, maybe early high school.
And I'm like, that is awesome. And we want them here.
We want them to keep doing thoseassessments and training with
us. But I also think about like,
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like those high school juniors and even high school seniors
that maybe are nervous about September 1st and maybe just
want to make sure that they knowtheir story so that if it goes
the way they want or it doesn't go the way they want, they're
still armed with information about who the heck they are
right now. And I think that's a really
critical piece to kind of navigating, you know, especially
in that recruiting world, navigating what comes next for
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them for. Sure.
Yeah, I think I wrote a couple notes of as you were talking
there, and I think this one concept of like Max performance,
the assessment is not about measuring your Max performance.
You're rarely at your Max performance just because of the
nature of the games you're long.And so I think of like you're
rarely at Max performance. The the one of the biggest, I
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think benefits of the assessmentis to literally see exactly
where you are in the now. It obviously gives us a lot of
information on like where I don't want to say a ceiling
because a ceiling means like a stop, but you know what I mean
by that concept of like, OK, based on this, we think you
could you could get to this thisquickly and this this quickly.
So it gives us an idea of where you can get to, I would say a.
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Little triaging, it's like we know that OK, we're talking
about maybe refinement of a pitch profile or we're like,
hey, that pitch is not working or we can make one single hand
position. Those are obviously very short
term in the moment which our assessment shouldn't form.
But then you're right, there is more of a a long term, I don't
want to say predictability, but we can see that if patterns stay
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the way they are now without influence or change, we see that
right ahead for that picture. Yeah.
And we also know, we also know what patterns are unlikely to
change and what's are simple to change, right.
So, but what I'm getting at is this idea of like, we're always
chasing. And by we, I mean like the
athletes and their families, they're always chasing Max
performance. And what I think is interesting
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is like if you're going to have a shot at getting at Max
performance. You have to measure where you
are, which then provides the most like targeted approach of
like what to go after and what not.
It's like immediately it's like,here's the lowest singing fruit.
You got this, you got this, you got this.
Go do this right. So I think it is this kind of
wild concept of like what assessment about is not about
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measuring Max performance. It's about seeing how to
basically get there as quickly as possible.
And so it's about efficiency of that of that process.
And so if you are in the world of like, I want, I want my
daughter to get to Max efficiency or Max, you know,
performance for where she is in the now, but you don't go after
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these measurements. Like it's just hypocritical.
And then I don't mean that to belike, you know, like I don't
mean that to be overly critical.You are it's just like kind of
wild. So I think that's that's an
interesting thing to think about.
I also think this idea of September 1st is interesting in
the standpoint of like sometimesI think athletes make the
assumption like the summer is what is going to dictate my
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September 1st. The overwhelming majority of
athletes you get calls on September 1st are like, we're
going to continue to watch you this fall.
And we have watched so many athletes make the mistake of
like they're so exhausted. They just, they didn't maybe
take a break at all. They just kept going to like
seek this Max performance without taking into
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consideration maybe the rest they needed what their patterns
look like. What we needed a plan.
Basically what I'm getting at isthey never took this opportunity
to create a plan. Do you need time off?
Do you need more time off than most people?
Do you need less time off for most people?
Why? Like that's what we're getting
at is to like, take this moment,take a breather, take what you
need mentally, emotionally, findout what your plan really should
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be. And so we've watched athletes
just like keep churning because they're like, got to grind it
out, got to go. And September 1st the
conversations were about we're going to continue watching you
this fall. We're very interested and they
didn't perform that well in the fall, but because why would
they, right? There was never this
opportunity. So I guess what we're really
trying to say in a nutshell hereis whatever, forget the
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September 1st. Sometimes I can't stand
September 1st because I just feel like it sets up.
I really can't. It's just like this build up to
more of a conversation that's like keep being you and we're
going to keep what? Yes, so anyway, that's a whole
nother conversation, but I thinkthat what we're trying to get to
is this like create a plan. You can actually maximize your
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time off if you have the right plan in place, right.
And so we're like the best way to attack this time of year.
Going back to my initial, like, dude, read the room.
Is not this like, yes, it's a mini offseason.
Let's crush it. And our athletes are sliding
down the wall. That's the read the room.
This is the conversation and what we talked to our coaches
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about. It's like, this is how we want
to communicate with our athletes.
Take a breather. Reflect on all you've
accomplished over these last couple of months.
Take a breather. Let's measure where you're at
right now. Let's measure.
Measure where your stability, your strength are, what we can
attack in strength and conditioning.
Let's measure whether we see your health and Wellness.
We're seeing if we have anythingother factors to consider, which
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is like any pain, let's measure where you are pattern wise off
flight wise. We've got everything on the
table now. Let's create a plan that is
targeted, that is efficient, that maximizes the time you need
physically, mentally, emotionally to take a breather
and also to accomplish X when you return in the fall, right?
And so I think that's what we'rereally talking about here.
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And so I think this time of yearis so interesting because it's
this collision of I think when athletes and families get it
wrong, I don't mean to say like get it wrong, but like are not
maybe doing it the best way thatit should be done.
It's when they mismanaged time off.
Like I wrote down camps because I was thinking like athletes go,
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they take off like 2 weeks afternationals and then they have a
camp. Yeah, it's wild.
And so it's wild. So we're just like, no, right.
Like you can't expect to go likezero to 100 like that.
So they mismanaged time off. Maybe they take none at all and
they needed to, or they take toomuch and then try to like go for
it without a ramp up or understanding how performance
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suffers after time off. Which is totally fine as long as
you build in a ramp up. It's normal.
It's normal deconditioning I think.
Absolutely. Take softball out of it.
Anytime you take that level of stress and physical activity
away from the body, it's going to change.
I mean, that's right. It's just what, you're just
going to decondition every athlete?
Goes through that right and so we often see this collision of
two major concepts that I think we feel so deeply educated in
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and like let us help you. There's a mismanagement of time
off and a talk about blindfolding yourself and then
going behind the wheel and trying to navigate Max
performance when it's just like you've got no idea what you're
going for and you put all of this pressure and stress on
September 1st and then the fall and then showing up but there's
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no plan right and you're saying like get ahead of what you look
like where you need to be etcetera.
So you know I I think about likethe athletes that are like I
just need to go up in Velo. All the college coaches have
said if I just go up in Velo, then that's where I need to be
and we're like. OK, it's been the most common
statement I've heard all summer.Right.
And so I'm like, if that's true,if you're at this like threshold
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of like, OK, if we can get you to go up and V low.
But one, do you have any idea where V low is coming from for
you? Like we are seeing athletes
where like they are their speed at which they're moving, their
power profile is so low. So it's like if you don't
identify where velocity, the velocity like bucket is most
influenced for you, is it like this straining conditioning?
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Power. You know how?
How fast you move in the motion,Is it inefficiency in the
motion, meaning we're not getting enough rotation, we
don't have enough length in the arm, the arm is out of time.
Like there's so many different places of where we're talking
about with when it comes to velocity.
You don't even know where that is.
This is not even a discussion wecan have because you're just
going to spin your wheels right then.
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It's like what we often actuallysee with athletes.
It's like you going from 59 to 63 is not going to influence
your collegiate career. Instead, you need to understand
that in the grand scheme of pitchers at the collegiate
level, you are not a high V low pitcher.
We're talking you're not throwing 68 plus.
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So if you're not throwing 68 plus, then it's all the same,
right? And so instead, what levels of
break and variability do you produce?
We think we can add an off speedhere.
What if we have create variability off that pitch by
teaching you how to do this versus this, right?
Like it's so targeted and efficient.
I think that is a perfect way ofbeing able to explain based on
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these variables. I we don't anticipate that you
are going to go from this velocity to this velocity.
And here's why in that time frame.
And so because of that, stop considering yourself that like V
lows your ticket. It's not, but variability is.
And here's how we can get that. And you're actually much likely
to much more likely to get, you know, have higher level of swing
and miss rates to start to catchsome eyes in the fall season if
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you do this. But there's just no way of doing
that. I just feel like a lot of times
athletes are just, they have this idea of who they are and
what they do and what they need to do and they just keep
chasing. It's like this catching the tail
concept that came up last week'sepisode, right?
Chasing your tail. Is this like they're just trying
to keep chasing the tail of somelike idea of what they are
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without the information. So it's lack of information, a
lack of planning meets mismanagement of time off.
It's the collision of those those pieces.
And we're like, we're your people, utilize us for at least
one, if not both. We are your people.
I mean, I think that's why we feel like this is such a
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powerful topic to sort of like to announce out there to non OGX
athletes and also current OGX athletes.
Our current OGX athletes get thebenefit of us helping them
manage their workload. It's embedded in their everyday
programming and training. But assessment is something
different. The add on of an assessment is
something different. So this message and this topic
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applies to all athletes, whetherthey're working with us right
now or not. Yeah, and I, I think even, you
know, as I, I kind of take out a, a larger view back of this
concept of like getting assessedmultiple times per year, knowing
who you are. We, you know, we've talked, I
could talk ad nauseam about the influence of puberty in pitchers
and all of the chaos that ensuesfrom that.
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A lot of conversations this weekwith athletes that are are just
navigating that. I want to be clear though, that
when we talk about the puberty transition, we talk about peak
height velocity, meaning that growth spurt up just reaches its
fastest point. It doesn't stop.
So high school pitchers are still growing.
And if you are adding strength and conditioning to that, you
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are adding mass to your body, that has to be renegotiated,
right? So if you go through a training
cycle, let's say that's 12 weeksof an offseason and you have put
on 15 lbs of solid mass. You are, you are, you know, more
powerful, you're lifting heavier.
That is amazing. It does not automatically
translate to your pitching motion.
It's too complicated, meaning wehave to train that to work up
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into the motion. And so, you know, this idea of
I'm, I'm just going to get an assessment maybe as a freshman
and, or I'm never going to know what my patterns are until I'm a
senior. And it's sometimes too late.
Whether that's pain and injury, whether that's, you know, the,
the performance trajectory they thought they were on is not
realistic now. It's so incredibly hard to
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change those, those ingrained patterns.
We, you know, we talk about thatall the time, but your body is
still changing. So I, I've said this multiple
times in the last few weeks to some of our, the parents of our
high school athletes. You still want that assessment
because there have been great examples in our facility, you
know, athletes training and, andmaybe she has, she's
particularly tall or she's just,is, is growing.
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She's like, man, I've been really struggling with my
command. And, you know, one of us asked
the question of like, well, are your clothes fitting a little
tighter? Are your shoes tighter?
And she's like, actually, yeah, I had to go buy new jeans last
week because she grew 2 inches, right?
It doesn't mean that growth stops, it just means it slows
down. And so it can be, it can be a
little insidious, meaning those changes in growth as you add
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hopefully strengthening conditioning, you're going to
add body mass just naturally that you have to have those
checkpoints of are your patternsmoving in a healthy direction?
Set performance aside for a second, but are they moving in a
healthy direction? Are you setting up your arm to
have longevity in order to accept the, you know, the forces
it needs at the timing that it needs to throw as hard as you
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can. And that is, that's still, it is
a shifting foundation for a lot of athletes.
And so that's where I think thatthe bio mechanics assessment at
multiple points in a year at least tells you if you're
dealing with the same thing you did last cycle.
And can we progress or do we need to take a step back, maybe
retool some things while your brain and body continue to
connect themselves? We, we make this assumption that
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like, I think sometimes that like puberty hits and this is
her body and it's what it's going to be.
And it's like, wait a minute, that's not what a human being
is. And it's still growing.
I mean, there, you know, there are years after puberty until
kids reach their skeletal maturity.
It's going to take time. And so that level of assessment
in addition to just, you know, obviously being very clear with
who you are and what your current performances is like,
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let's just like keep an eye on some things that are still
changing. I'll be a heck of a lot more
slowly, but let's keep an eye onsome things that are changing.
Those assessments in my mind arejust another, they're top layer
of monitoring for athletes that are seeking that depth of
performance and want to chase it, that want to know
themselves. I mean, it, it's just, it's such
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an amazing starting point for that conversation.
And again, I just want to reiterate, it's not about good
or bad. It's not about whether you fit
into a good bucket or a bad bucket.
I, you know, that that those conversations are, are not about
being in one or the other. It's about who you are and what
really the position has done to you and how you're going to
battle back from that, whether pain or injury or performance.
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But it's yeah, I, I could mean I'm very biased, obviously, as
you know, we've created this assessment.
But the value of it, I mean, I just see the relief that that
families feel. I can feel the relief from the
athletes when, you know, we say like, hey, we, we program three
days a week, right? We see your patterns and we know
that three days a week with strength and conditioning and
pitching, some rest, some good workload management.
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We feel pretty confident in that.
But the wild card is always chasing all the other things.
We sometimes can think we have an amazing plan with a family,
with a pitcher and we're going in the same direction.
And, and there's just like squirrel like distracted
something on social media. And I don't blame them.
That's what it's supposed to do,right?
It's supposed to plug you in these directions.
And so even more so that, that, that that assessment, that
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process needs to be your foundation.
And then you can be very selective and, and be very
discriminatory essentially of like what you choose to listen
to then and what fits your story.
And I think it takes out all the, you talk about all the
time, takes out the noise. It gives you the, it gives you
what you need and it takes out the noise.
And then you can select what youchoose to let influence you.
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Yep. I think going back to the
concept of our current OGX athletes, these are athletes
that train with us on a regular basis.
This is there's no doubt about it, OK, you started maybe off
with an initial assessment. We got this information, we
created this plan. Are we going to do a much better
job of managing your workload throughout the year?
Absolutely. Are we more educated than most
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people on understanding like OK,we are going after more sync on
drop off. How do we do that?
How do we program for that? Is the program likely more
thoughtful, more educated, more individualized?
Yes, yes, yes, yes. Right.
But there comes a point where wecan't see everything with our
eye. And if we could, we wouldn't
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have a lab. So I mean, there's just a
reality. We wouldn't have a lab if we
could just see it all with our eye.
So there comes a point where we're not seeing everything
we're following yes, here's thisinitial assessment.
Here are the goals. Here's how we think we're going
to attack it. We're going to we're going to
build that program and then throughout the year going to
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take into consideration all the external factors that you have
going on, external variables of playing, you know, vacation
sickness, I hurt my elbow, whatever and keep fluctuating
that plan based off of that. But let's be clear, that
program, yes, it has the feedback loop of constant data,
but it's all based off of the goals and the the baseline level
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of information from that assessment that happened a year
ago. So there is this world where
like we are missing things. Of course we are missing things.
We cannot see things with our eyes.
Like I said, then we wouldn't have a lab, we wouldn't have
these cameras that are able and to spit out this level of data.
And so I also sometimes think now that we have this elevated
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level of bio mechanics data, it's important for our current
athletes to understand that likegetting that is, is is
incredibly important. And for for our athletes who are
training all year long, whether it's remotely or especially in
house, I think maybe they are under the assumption that
they're maximizing what we have.We've got tech everyday, they're
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in HQ, they're seeing their data, they've got the education
of OGX coaches. Is that so far beyond like an
average pitching lesson? Obviously, But there's an extra
layer here. I mean, truly maximizing being a
part of OGX is staying up on some regular level of bio
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mechanics assessment. And like I said, for the
athletes who it feasibly legit make sense for them and their
families to just build it in those four times a year.
Amazing. But then start to work backward.
Can I do 2 * a year? Can I do one time a year?
But to not do at least one time of the year, which in our minds
is like the bare minimum, you'reyou're falling back into this.
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Like, yeah, you're part of OGX. Yes, we're definitely going to
be able to, to do all these things for you better than the
average pitching coach. I mean, it's apples to oranges.
However, it is important to understand that there's this
like there's this piece here that we're that we're missing.
We're just going to be missing things because we don't have it.
So I think that's really a big piece of our conversation,
right? It's like the power of the bio
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mechanics assessment. It's not just for the athlete
and their education. It is also for us coaches to see
that layer of information that cannot be seen with the eye.
Not because our eyes are not good enough, but it's just not
possible for the human eye to see that level of data and
information. So, yeah, I think that this is
like this because this time period is 1 of of those major
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times we said it is number one time to get one is probably this
like November, December. The number two time is this
August. So I think if you're sitting out
there and you're listening to this and your daughter already
is involved with OGX, at some point you've got to really ask
yourself like, what's my plan tomake sure that the training and
programming that her coaches aredoing at OGX are working off the
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most updated level of information as possible.
You know what's my plan to make sure that I've got a system in
place for that. Yeah.
And externally to us pitching instructors across the world,
we're not your adversary, I promise, right.
The number of athletes we've hadin the last few weeks that I've
to talk to a sales conversation or we've had them in the
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facility for an assessment have said I work with I work with
this instructor they sent me here because they don't have
access to this. Sure heck right.
That is the relationship. I think that is so valuable.
That puts the athlete at the center of this conversation.
Is the instructor saying, hey, look, I'm an individual
instructor, Maybe I do this on my own property or I rent a
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small space. I don't have the means to be
full blown with a launchpad and all of the bells and whistles.
No problem. You don't have to be.
We can do that for you, that we're not your opposition in
that. And so the the end result of
that process is is a report and a, you know, a debrief
conversation that that instructor can listen to.
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Can and I always tell, you know,athletes that are remote, like
our best remote training productis when the local instructors,
whether they're the strength coaches, the personal trainers,
the pitching instructor doesn't matter high school coach when
they're all on the same, when weare all on the same page, not
that they're on the same page with us, but that we are all on
the same page and that, you know, starting from a point that
is it's objective, it it is clear in connecting performance
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to your pitching patterns. That's the apples to apples
conversation for the pitching instructor.
And so I love when we get repeatassessments from pitching
instructors that are sending their athletes to us that they
find the value in as well. They're learning alongside their
own athletes. You know, the athletes are
training with us, of course, like they're going to have the,
the advantage of working directly with us.
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But just coming for assessments,even if you're local and have a
local instructor are still, theyare still so vital and so
important and information you can bring back to your
instructor. We, we want to help you in that
regard. Yep.
So I think if we just had to summarize this, I think you
know, one being sensitive, yeah,come get assessed, right is come
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is not come get assessed. But yes, come get assessed is,
is to really like empathize withour athletes and families on
their level of just like overwhelm right now and fatigue,
etcetera, etcetera. Like that's super important.
But to then recognize that, makesure they understand you feel
that that you're taking that into consideration.
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But then, you know, ask the questions, what is the plan for
time off related to what you're working back to, whether it's
camps, whether it's just your fall season?
Is there a thoughtful plan or isit just random?
OK, so that's one question. And the other is what when
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you're going to return to performance, whether it's in
August, September, based on if it's just for fall season, it
is, you know, for camps, etcetera.
What what level of information are you armed with to really
attack that? Because likely your athlete is
going to take a little bit of time off.
So you're going to have a short period of time to then go after
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it. What level information are you
armed with to go into that time period?
And is the information you're armed with something like
relevant to the time you're in? Is it outdated?
Is it current? Right?
Like I think these are all the concepts we have to really ask
ourselves. It's like it is a very wacky
time. It's like between August and
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October, you do you're in like offseason, preseason and season
all over again. It's like this really quick.
It's literally like taking November through July and then
you just re literally the crunchit together and then you go
through that all over again in August, September, October,
November, right, you just like four months you go through.
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You know what you did the entireAbsolutely.
So. It's it's own whirlwind.
And so I think we're like, go inprepared re, you know, literally
like, yes, like take the time you need, recover from the
craziness that was March, you know, and again, not everyone's
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high school season the same, butMarch through July, recover from
that time period. And now educate yourself,
created an educated plan. And then, you know, make sure
it's as efficient as possible. It's as targeted as as possible.
It takes into consideration the individual variables that you're
facing in this time period so that this next couple of months
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doesn't just become a whirlwind where everything feels
overwhelming. Again, you know, we can, we can
prepare so much better for that time period.
So I think that's really what this discussion is really
centered around. So hopefully for those of you
that are listening again, whether you're currently an OGX
athlete or you're not, and you're just, you know, in this
overwhelm of like, I just need to sit back, like, I don't know
what we're doing. We just need breather.
(42:32):
We get it. But also, you know, it's you
don't have to sacrifice one or the other.
You just got to be efficient in what that plan really looks
like. Yeah.
All right. Great discussion.
It was a great discussion on Monday.
Of course, we think it's a greatdiscussion because between the
two of us, but it was a great discussion with our team on
Monday. We felt so strongly about it
that we thought it was worth kind of like, like I said,
getting onto this podcast and announcing it more to the
(42:54):
external audience. So hopefully there's a few
Nuggets here that people can take and it helps them evaluate
like not maybe not even just their plan for this time of
year, specifically in this like August, September, but also
helps them kind of navigate seeing the year as a plan,
putting in place plans throughout the year.
Hopefully it even just helps youunderstand how important that is
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as well. So as always, thanks for joining
us in today's podcast. Hopefully you learn something,
you know, as Krista always says,make sure you like subscribe,
etcetera. So we can keep things rolling.
Feel free to send topic ideas our way.
Next week, I believe we will have Krista rejoining the crew.
So I'll slide back into, you know, I will not be hosting.
(43:37):
Yeah, that's right. That's right.
But until next time, we will. We'll see you back here with
next episode OGX Nation. We love you.
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