Mastering the Balance: Radical Ownership vs. Radical Surrender

The tension between what we can control and what we must surrender to God is one of the most transformational shifts we can make as faith-driven moms and entrepreneurs. In this powerful conversation, Jeremy and I unpack what it looks like to take radical ownership of our actions, beliefs, and choices—while fully surrendering outcomes, circumstances, and other people’s decisions to God.

🌿 Radical ownership means stewarding our time, talents, and responsibilities well—without blame-shifting, waiting for perfect conditions, or letting fear hold us back.
🌿 Radical surrender is releasing the weight of control and trusting that God's plans are always greater, even when the path ahead is unclear.
🌿 Living in this balance is where true peace is found—where we take the next faithful step, knowing that God provides just enough light for what’s ahead.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, my friends, thank you for holding on with us
.
Okay, it has been a wild ride.
Uh, never done a Facebook livewith trying to add somebody, and
there's there's lots of thingsyou can and can't do and ways
you have to set it up, and it'snot something that, uh, I was
prepared for, apparently.
But that's okay and Iappreciate you being here with

(00:20):
us along for the ride.
Um, all this that's happening,um, we're getting Jeremy on in
just a second.
He'll be popping into the liveand we're going to actually do
this.
I think, fyi, if you ever tryto do a Facebook live with
someone, you both need to be onyour phones.
Didn't know that, tried mycomputer, tried his computer,
tried some iPads, tried all thisstuff.

(00:41):
Don't do it, just use yourphones, just get on.
Okay, so he'll be in in just asecond.
So we are going to be talkingabout radical ownership and
radical surrender and it's goingto be super good.
Might I have, might, I say now,that's a big promise.
So hopefully it is, but we willsee.
We will see, um, but I'm superpumped that you guys are here.
Um, and there's my friend,kelly.

(01:06):
Hi, kelly, I love you.
Thanks for coming back, eventhough we've been having some
issues, um, and so, joe, we'llbe here in a moment and then
we're going to get this thingrocking and rolling.
Um, we are going to be talking,like I said, about radical
ownership and a radicalsurrender, and the whole purpose
of this training is being ableto decide and determine what is

(01:26):
really our responsibility andwhat we have to let go of, and
so that there is a tensionbetween taking action and
waiting on God, and so that iswhere we are going to be living
today.
We're going to give realexamples, we're going to talk
about some principles from eachone, and it's going to be good.
I'm really excited about it.
This uh topic is really wherejeremy and I both kind of

(01:50):
intersect not kind of we dointersect on our teachings and
in our programs, um, and so I'msuper pumped to be doing it with
him, so you can get some bigvision, big picture vision with
him.
Um, he's very good at that, andthen I'll get kind of into the
nitty gritty of what that lookslike on a day-to-day uh,
day-to-day thing.

(02:10):
So Jill's trying to get Jeremyin here.
Um, he's having a little bit ofissues, but that's okay.
He'll be here in just a second.
So we're gonna talk just alittle bit about it, without him
for a moment, um, without himfor a moment.
He's having a tech issue on hisown, but that's okay, because
God is good and he is full ofgrace.
And my friends, let me tell youI'm assuming and I don't like to

(02:34):
find the devil under a rock,you know what I'm saying
Everywhere you go, but I reallythink that this week is going to
be good and be a blessing forpeople.
I came down with a cold and myuh toddler has been like extra
whiny and he's not a whinyperson Um, and both of our cars

(02:56):
between Sunday and Monday uhbroke mine and my husband's.
Thankfully, he has a motorcycleso he can ride to work, and so
I'm like there's a lot of thingstrying to come and make me not
do this as present as I shouldbe, but I'm still going to be
here and I'm still going to behere with you guys.
So I'm excited about it and theLord gives us, he sustains us

(03:18):
through everything, and so he'scontinuing to sustain me through
this and I'm just grateful tomeet each and every person that
shows up here.
So, jeremy, jeremy and I aregoing to be talking about this
radical ownership and radicalsurrender, and he um, I've been
working with Jeremy for over ayear.

(03:38):
He's fabulous, he's my personalbusiness coach and we have
learned that this is anintersection of both of our
programs that we really can, umbe a part of or that we both
talk about, and so we thought,why not do this?
We're both all about likebuilding one another up and like
in the community of Christ.
We're not being competitive orany of those things and so

(04:00):
instead we're, like, we'realways talking to he definitely
is always talking aboutsomething called mission
partners and um umcollaborations, and so we're
like let's do this joint thingtogether, like this will be
super good.
So both ownership and surrenderare necessary for a peaceful,

(04:21):
faith filled life.
We have to be willing to do thework that God's called us to
and the place that God has putyou in, but at the same time, we
have to be willing to wait onhim and where he's leading us
and let go of things that arenot ours.
Oh, jeremy just popped in, solet me go ahead and grab him in

(04:44):
here.
It's happening, we're doing it.
There he is.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
We did it.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
That was crazy, that was crazy, that was crazy, but
we finally did it.
27 minutes into it we got it,we'll be so ready.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yes, we'll be super ready next time we do it.
Can you see me?

Speaker 2 (05:18):
I can't see you.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Okay, I cannot see you, and I don't know if that's
on purpose or not, but I can'tsee you.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Okay, can everybody else see me?
That's the question.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
That?
I don't know.
That, I do not know.
Can you see yourself?
I can.
Huh, that's very odd, I don'tknow.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yeah, if there's anybody watching, can you see my
picture?

Speaker 1 (05:53):
I don't see anybody saying anything.
Oh, hold on, let's see.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
I'm going to go on my desktop real quick and see,
okay, yeah, I can see my desktopreal quick and see, okay, yeah,
I can see my picture.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Okay, good, okay, so it must just be me.
That's fine, I don't need tosee you.
I know what you're going totalk about, okay.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
It says that you're.
Kelly says you're super upclose, but you are a little bit,
so maybe if you just pull thecamera away from your face
that'll look a little better.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
I can't see myself.
Thanks, kelly Cool.
All right, okay, so I kind ofalready did the intro Okay.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
So this framework completely changed my life and
that sounds like really dramatic, but this is kind of the
framework, the lens that I seeeverything that I do.
So we're going to talk aboutcontrol and there's two sides to

(07:04):
it.
So there's the radicalsurrender and radical ownership.
So I'm going to define radicalownership as taking 100%
responsibility for the thingsthat you can control.

(07:24):
Let me know in the chat whatyou can't control.
So those are the twodefinitions we're going to work

(08:01):
with here, and just make surethat I got it in a way that we
can see everything.
All right, someone says yes,but it is backwards.
Let's try flipping, Okay, sothat's not going to work either.
Unbelievable, this has beencrazy.
So I had to switch to my phonebecause desktop wasn't working,

(08:25):
um, but that's the definitionwe're working with.
Is radical surrenders, lettinggo 100 of the things you can't
control.
Radical ownership is takingfull responsibility for the
things you can control.
So, for example, one of thethings we can't control is this
stream.
Unfortunately, we can't controlmark zuckerberg's platform here
, um, but what we can control ishow we show up right, and so
that's what elise and I aretrying to do in this moment is

(08:46):
take control, fullresponsibility for what we can
control, surrender the rest.
And so what are the things thatwe can control?
Let's start with the ownershipside.
What are some things that wecan control?
We can control what we do, wecan control what we say.
We can control how we show up.
What are some other examples,elisa, of things that we can

(09:08):
control?

Speaker 1 (09:09):
So things we control are we can control our action.
You're talking about ouractions, the way we react to
other people, the when we, whatwe say yes to, what we say no to
what we're willing to put onour schedules or willing to have
, not on purpose.
You're not trying to hurtpeople's feelings on purpose,

(09:31):
but willing to say this isn'tgood for me, but I'm not
responsible for your feelings.
So that is some that that'shard, but it is the truth.
We're not responsible for otherpeople's feelings and so saying
no, sorry, I can't do thatthing that you want me to do.
That is radical ownership,because that's not the way that
our world lives and, especiallyas moms and um we know,

(09:52):
everybody thinks that you can doeverything, especially if you
try to stay home and even if youwork from home like people have
feelings about what you, whatyou're actually doing in your
life.
Um and so, just being you know,you're controlled of your
schedule, your emotions, the wayyou react to people the way you
react to your family, yourfriends, any of those people

(10:14):
that is on you.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, so essentially we can boil all that down to you
can control your actions andtherefore you have to take
responsibility for your actions.
We also know that all of ouractions come from our beliefs.
So James talks about that thatfaith without works is dead
faith.
So we know that the works thatwe do, the actions that we take
in our life, are motivated bythe beliefs that we have, and so

(10:38):
we have the opportunity tochoose what we believe and we
have the opportunity to choosehow we act out of those beliefs,
and so that pretty muchsummarizes it, like when you
think of your entire life, whatwe believe and we have the
opportunity to choose how we actout of those beliefs, and so
that pretty much summarizes it,like when you think of your
entire life.
That's pretty much the thingsthat you can control your own
beliefs and your own actions,right?
So what does it look like forus before we jump over to the
surrender side, elise?

(10:59):
What does it look likepractically to?
I know you talk a lot aboutboundaries.
I know you talk a lot abouttaking ownership of your
priorities.
What does that look likepractically, just real?
I know you could probably dolike a 45 minute training on
that and your training did coversome of that.
I watched it yesterday.
But what does that look likepractically to take ownership?

Speaker 1 (11:20):
So I would say practically so.
Just, I'm going to give you twoexamples, like we're going to
talk about your schedule just alittle bit.
You, like I said, you get todecide what you put into your
life, what you say no to.
So that means saying no to aplay date that someone wants you
to do Right, because youalready scheduled work, or no to

(11:41):
driving the bus on Wednesdaysfor church because your kids
need to go to bed earlier thanthat.
People may not like that, butit's a real thing that happens.
And your responsibility, likewe said, you're only responsible
for your actions and yourbeliefs.
It boils down to those things Iwould venture to say you're
responsible for one more thing,and if you have young children,

(12:02):
you're also responsible for them.
And so if you're doing stuff,that is also responsible for
them.
And so if you're doing stuffthat is going to hurt them not
hurt them, like, physically, butyou're doing things that aren't
good for them that's yourresponsibility too, and the
things that you do good for them, too, like that's your
responsibility as well.
So if you're in a season ofyoung children, they can't speak
to themselves, that's yourresponsibility, and you don't

(12:24):
want to drag them through themud or drag them Ooh, words,
they're not coming out.
You don't want to make them toobusy.
Okay, that is one of the thingsthat I have done, and I do do
occasionally, and I got to backit on up and do that so that
your schedule is yourresponsibility.
Your children's schedule isalso your responsibility to a

(12:45):
certain age, right, um?
And then we also have to justtrust that the lord.
Oh, that's, that's surrender.
We're not there yet, um, anywho.
So radical ownership isstewarding what god has given
you.
It is your time.
Like time is a finite thingthat we have and we all get the

(13:05):
same amount.
Like people say that all thetime, but it's still, it's so
true.
And so your call to steward thetime that God has given you in
the place that he has placed you.
So your time, your talents, thegifts that you've been given and
your responsibilities are yoursto steward, and so we have to

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take ownership of that.
And that means taking thosethings seriously and, like just
with the parable of the talentsright the one with 10, the one
with five they took theirresponsibility, responsibilities
seriously, and they made theLord more money.
Now you can't make more time,but you can be very intentional

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with your time, and so we wantto take the things that God has
given us so seriously and worktowards whatever it is he's
called you to in this season oflife.
And so there's a couple ofprinciples of radical ownership.
The first one is takingresponsibility without excuses.
So that means that it is on meto make sure that I do what God

(14:14):
has called me to do.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
It's not on my husband, it's not on my friends,
it's not on Jeremy as mybusiness coach.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
It is my responsibility.
It is my responsibility Now.
I have people around me thatlove me and I love them, and
they point me in a gooddirection.
Having counsel is wise, but itis not on them.
If I do it or I don't do it,that's me.
Fear can't hold me back.
I mean it might, but itshouldn't.
Fear, excuses overwhelm willprevent you from being radically

(14:43):
honored, from owning the thingsthat are important to you, and
so having mentors and peoplearound you to help you push
through that is super important,but you can't let those things
stop you from moving forward.
And if you do, that's on you,my friend.

(15:03):
That's between you and the Lord.
So just ask the Lord.
He tells us to give us he wouldgive us wisdom.
He tells us that he will bewith us through everything.
If you're a child of God, thenyou have the Holy spirit.
He's always with you and he'salways listening, like the God
who created the entire world,has given you a mention and
given you time and given it toyou.
He's not leaving you to not dowhat needs to be done right.

(15:25):
So just ask him to help you.
What does that look like, man?
I don't know, but God does.
He definitely does.
So ask him, especially ifyou're afraid or if you're
making excuses, or if you'recrazy overwhelmed, so go to the
one that made you, go to the onethat gave you the calling.
Go to the one that puts you ina season that you're in right

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now, because he loves you and hecares about you.
So don't let those things takecontrol of you.
Choosing intentional time Beintentional with your time, your
money and your skills.
You can do this, my friend.
So that is takingresponsibility without excuses.
So that's the first principleof this, and so the next one

(16:07):
would be.
The second one is owning youremotions and your mindset.
We talked about it a little bita second ago.
You are responsible for the wayyou act and the way you react,
and that's on you.
Things happen, life is crazysometimes, but we get to decide
how we respond to whatever comesour way.
That's a difficult client childthrowing themselves on the

(16:29):
floor, a distant relative thathas an opinion about you, a, you
know, distant relative that hasan opinion about you.
Um, those things happen, youknow, but how you react and how
you respond is on you.
God has given us the fruits ofthe spirit and he didn't give
those to us just to like sitthem in a bowl.
That was a weird.
Look, I'm never saying thatagain.

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That was horrible.
He, uh, he didn't give them toyou to ignore Right.
They are skills to to work onRight, like peace and patience
and kindness and goodness, likeyeah, they're from the Holy
Spirit we got to.
We got to be willing to actthose out Right.

(17:11):
Praise the Lord, have him.
He is with us all the time,just owning your emotions, your
mindset, mindset.
The lady down the street didnot make you freak out your
children did not make you yellat them like and I'm not calling
you out like I feel, like Iyelled at ash earlier.
I'm sure I did.
Let's, let's just be honest, umand so, but the thing is he

(17:32):
didn't make me do that maybe hedid something that upset me, but
I, I these are my vocal cords.
I didn't decide what I do withthem, not, so it's just not
putting your actions orreactions on someone else.
Yes, that's not okay.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
So um, I know you're not done, but I just have to cut
in here.
So my emotional triggers, right, when I respond and I say you
made me feel this way or youmade me react this way, or you
made me, what we're doing iswe're trying to put ownership on
someone else's life and we'retrying to say you're responsible

(18:10):
for how I act and you'reresponsible for what I believe.
And that creates a lot ofrelational problems.
I'm speaking from first handexperience.
Right, that creates a lot ofrelational problems when you are
projecting or blame shiftingthat's what it looks like
practically at the surface level, right, is you are blame

(18:30):
shifting or you are projectingthe very things that God is
giving you the freedom toexpress your own actions and
your own beliefs.
You are blame shifting or youare projecting the very things
that God is giving you thefreedom to express your own
actions and your own beliefs.
You are saying, actually, atleast you're responsible for
that in this moment, and that'scompletely unfair to the other
person, but it's also unfair toyourself, right, because you are
, you are, you are neglectingpower that God has given you

(18:53):
over your own body, over yourown mind, over your own emotions
, and to do that is.
I think it's disrespectful tolike the power that God has
given you dwelling inside of youand giving you the ability to
do things, and so I'm justspeaking from first hand
experience like that hurts.
When you say that it's like I'mresponsible for how I react,
I'm responsible for my emotionalreact, I'm responsible for my

(19:14):
emotional triggers, I'mresponsible for how my own
healing process and going to theLord and allowing him to heal
me and not relying on otherpeople to do that.
That's just a really, really,really powerful point that
you're making there.
So anyways, I didn't want toyeah you can keep going, but
that was fantastic.
Thanks for saying that.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
No, that's great.
I'm glad that you cut me offbecause I'll just keep rolling
and talking really fast andgoing.
So I like what you said and Ido want to just like caveat this
Like people do bad things toother people, that's not what
this is.
Run away, run away from badthings, that's not what this
talk is about.

(19:52):
But I want to move on.
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
But it is right, because that goes on the
surrender side, which is, youaren't responsible for other
people's actions and what peopledo to you right, and what has
been done to you even in yourpast right, but you are
responsible for how you moveforward from that right.
So that goes into trauma, yourpast experiences, your baggage,
the things that you're workingthrough as a human being.
Like, you weren't responsiblefor all those things that
happened to you up to this pointin your life, but you are

(20:22):
responsible how you respond andhow you move forward, right.
So I think that's a great pointof and I think that's why I
love this framework is that youcan look at your entire life and
you can know that everything inyour entire life fits on one
side of the board or the other,even though it's a flip-flop
board.
Like, we do flip-flop things andwe put things that we actually

(20:43):
can control and things thatwe've been called to own and
steward and we put it on thesurrender side, and that creates
a lot of overwhelm, which we'lltalk a little bit.
But we also do the exactopposite, which is we take
things that we're supposed tosurrender and we try to own them
, and that creates a lot ofproblems as well.
And so you can look at yourwhole life and say everything
that I'm doing, everything thatI see in my life, has to fit on

(21:04):
one side or the other.
And the more you are clear onwhat things should be on the
surrender side and what thingsshould be on the ownership side,
the more peace you're going tohave in your life, the more
peace you're having your home,the more peace you're going to
have in your business, becauseyou're living by God's design.
So, anyways, keep going yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Amen, I love that.
Okay, all right.
So we were talking about threeprinciples of radical ownership.
So we talked about takingresponsibility without excuses,
owning your emotions and yourmindset, and then balancing
strategy and faith.
So this is taking action,moving forward that is aligned
with God's guidance we talkedabout earlier.

(21:42):
Like the Holy Spirit called youto the thing that you're doing,
called you to the business thatyou're in, called you to you
know your children, like theydidn't appear out of nowhere,
like the Lord decided that youwere going to have them Right,
and so it is our responsibilityto be moving forward.
We may not know everything.
We probably won't knoweverything, it's unlikely.
We'll know everything right ofwhere we're going, but I would

(22:06):
venture to guess you do know thenext step, because God doesn't
leave us blinded, or blindedDoesn't leave us in the dark.
That makes more sense, doesn't?

Speaker 2 (22:13):
leave us completely in the dark.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
And so it's saying, okay, lord, I don't understand,
but I know this is right, so I'mgoing to do it anyway.
It means saying yes to things,even if they're scary, if
they're aligned with what Godhas called you to do.
And it means saying no tothings that may be good but

(22:36):
aren't in alignment with whatGod has called you to for right
now.
And, as a fellow gypsy heart,if you have one, remember that
everything you say no to rightnow doesn't mean forever.
Okay, there will be other timesfor you to do whatever those
things are, maybe, but it's notforever.
You're not married to any ofthese things.
It's okay to say no right nowand hopefully, to do it in the
future.
Right, so moving forward, thankyou.

(22:59):
So moving forward in alignmentwith god's guidance and knowing
how and when we are human and wemake mistakes and we make bad
decisions and we hurt people, orwe just don't know something
and it's owning those mistakes,bad decisions or just straight
out sins, depending on whatyou've done.

(23:21):
Um, and saying that is on me,I'm sorry, and moving and
pivoting, saying I didn't knoweverything, I didn't do the
right thing, and saying, likeit's always learning because
there may be something that youdo or you don't do because you
feel like that's right.
Right now you said something orwhatever, and then later down
the road you have learned andgrown because we are always

(23:45):
supposed to be learning andgrowing that you realize, oh,
that wasn't right.
And then owning that andturning back around and being
willing to apologize, beingwilling to not do something like
that in the future.
If there's no way to apologize,um, but those types of things,
just balancing the strategy oflike learning and moving forward

(24:05):
and trusting the lord is goingto be there in those things yeah
, this, I mean that's like aperfect segue.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
You mentioned the conviction of when you do
something wrong, right, and howyou have to own that conviction,
in the sense of you have totake responsibility for the
things that you've done in yourlife.
That were wrong and are wrong,and the things that you will do
wrong right.
You have to surrender, and Iwas just thinking about this

(24:34):
earlier today.
I have to surrender my identity.
I have to surrender my worth,because my identity is not
something that I created, itwasn't something that was in my
control.
It was a God-given identitythat he put his mark of approval
on me, that he speaks a betterword over me than I speak over
myself.
And so, even when I takeownership of the conviction that

(24:55):
I have and I take ownership ofthe wrong steps that I've taken
in my life and in my business upto this point, I also, at the
same time, in surrendering myworth and saying you know what,
but that doesn't speak a wordover me that speaks higher than
God's word over me.
That doesn't speak to my worth,it doesn't speak to my identity
that I am still loved and I amstill pursued, and that God

(25:20):
still has his mark of approvalover me.
He's singing over to me,singing over me tonight, like
those are truths that we have tosurrender to, because they're
not truths that you created,they're not truths that you're
in control of, and that's abeautiful thing, because what
that means is your worth isnisn't in the balance, and I
think that's what makes peopletry to own things that they
actually can't control isthey're trying to create some

(25:42):
level of worth that they're notreceiving and surrender to the
lord, and so it is walking theline of the very things that you
own in your life.
You also have to do, um, theopposite reverse of surrender,
okay, but that doesn't affect myworth as a human being and what
God says about me and his lovefor me.
It's unchanging for me, right?
So I just thought that was abeautiful segue and something

(26:03):
that Lisa pointed out in thechat just now and I was thinking
about this exact thing as youwere speaking as well that the
Lord doesn't leave us in thedark.
It says that his word is a lampunto our feet, and the reason I
love the analogy of the lamp isthat if you've ever walked by a
lamp I do it when I go campingyou can really only see like
three to five feet in front ofyou, like it's supposed to be

(26:25):
down at your feet, it's supposedto be practical, like where is
your next step?
Right, and that's exactly whatyou were just talking about.
The Lord will reveal the nextstep to you, and he allows us,
he surrenders to us in some ways, surrenders in that he allows
us to go down the wrong path andhe allows us even when we know
what the next step is for us.

(26:46):
He allows us to run in thewrong direction and his grace
gives us the conviction and themisery, honestly, of not living
by his design.
It is miserable, like I stillstruggle with that.
I hate it.
It's awful, like it's the worstright.
To not live with peace and notlive with purpose is not fun.
If it was fun I'd probablystill be doing it right.

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So the Lord, in his grace,realigns us back to where we
were when he called us initially, which is taking that next step
and Lisa pointed out in thechat, it's not a lighthouse,
it's not even a flashlight thatyou can pinpoint 20 steps down
the road.
And I think that's what holds alot of us back from taking
ownership is we're waiting forclarity on step 20 when the Lord

(27:27):
has already given us directionsfor step one.
And if you are waiting forclarity on step 17 before taking
action on step one, you'reacting out of disobedience and
you're not stewarding what Godhas put right in front of you.
And I'm saying you, but I alsomean myself included, because
that's exactly what happens inmy life as well.
Right, I will get direction onstep one and I'll be like but

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when I get clarity on step 17,that's when I'll step forward.
And that's not faith, that'sfear.
And I think perfect love castsout fear.
And the Lord, he wants todeliver his love to us.
He wants us to accept andreceive his love.
When we receive his love, wecan act in faith and take that
next step and walk with him stepby step.
So, anyways, but do you want topivot to the surrender side or

(28:13):
do you have more things you wantto say about the ownership side
?

Speaker 1 (28:15):
No, I think that we can move on to surrender.
I think that's great.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Cool, cool.
So surrender again, we'retrying to map out like literally
your entire life as it relatesto life, as it relates to your
home, as it relates to yourbusiness.
Everything in your life fits onthe surrender side or the
ownership side.
Or the ownership side, thatoverwhelm and anxiety creep up

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when you are takingresponsibility for things that
you can't control, and youtypically stay stuck when you
surrender things that you cancontrol.
And so that's when you're notacting out, that's when you're
not taking those steps right,you end up staying stuck.
And so let's look at thesurrender side for a second.
So what are the things that wehave to surrender?
First of all, we can't controlother people's beliefs.
We can't control other people'sactions.

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We, even with your son, right,like the example that you gave
of you're responsible forcreating a schedule that's
peaceful for him.
Right, that's still youractions of creating a schedule.
What he does with that and whenhe disobeys and goes outside
the boundaries of that schedule,is still on him.
Like little, humans are stillcapable of sinning, right.
Like nobody has been taught thatright Like as a mom, like

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everybody, understands thatYou're a human, is totally
capable of sinning, and it ishis sin when he's not, but
you're still responsible forcreating that schedule, right?
So, anyways, you can't controlother people's beliefs.
You can't control otherpeople's actions.
You can't control otherpeople's results.
I see this a lot in business,like we want to, and as a

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business coach, oh my gosh, I sodesperately want the results
for my clients, like I want themto make 10,090 days and I want
them to experience just amazingpeace in their life.
And I know the same for you,right, at least like we want the
best for our clients, right.
But ultimately, we can't fullycontrol the results or the

(30:04):
outcomes.
And there's good reason for thatright, which is you can't
control your circumstances.
You can't control God.
Praise God for that right.
If we could control God, that'dbe awful.
That would be hell, literally.
And so what else can we not?
We can't control even our ownresults, even our own outcomes,

(30:26):
like I've seen myself be sounfaithful in my own actions, in
my own ownership, and yet Godwas so gracious and delivered
ridiculous results and outcomesin my life and my business.
And it's like I think Paulspeaks to this in Romans too.
He's like well then, are welike alleviated from

(30:47):
responsibility?
Then Like if God does somethingamazing with our terrible
actions, and he says by no meansright, god is sovereign, right,
and so he's the one.
And I think Paul talks aboutthis in man I don't remember
where it is, but it says heplanted Apollos water, but God
caused the growth.
And so, yes, you have theresponsibility to plant and to

(31:08):
water, but it's God who causesthe growth.
Right, and so that's anotherthing we have to surrender is
even our own results.
What are some examples for you,elise, when you're going
through this from a momperspective, of what does
surrender look like in yourbeliefs, in other people's
beliefs, in other people'sactions, in other people's
results, even in your ownresults?
What does that look like?

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Yeah, absolutely so, when you were talking about that
verse.
So, when you were talking aboutthat verse, you know, I plant
all those waters and God makesthe growth.
Like that gave me such freedomwhenever I've read that, like I
am not responsible, just likewhat you were saying, I am not
responsible for what happensafter I've been obedient.
Right, I did my part, and thenit's the Lord or it's that other

(31:53):
person.
So I just wanted to say Ireally love that.
So, anywho, um, I would sayfrom a mom perspective and this
is from talking to other motherswho are way further than I am,
right, I only have a two and ahalf year old and so like, but I
just we're building the boatwhile we're, while we're sailing
, right, I don't know what I'mdoing, but, like, for mothers

(32:15):
who are much older than me andknow have older kids, it's like
you do the work when they'relittle, when they're teenagers,
when they're whatever, todisciple them, to pour into them
, and you do that because that'son you, but it is their
responsibility to come to Christ.
Like that's not on you.
And so, as much as, like wewere talking about, we want the

(32:36):
results for other people, likeif I could just shake some
people and have them come tojesus, like I would be shaking
everybody, right.
And so I would say that's thesame with our children.
We're going to do the work thatneeds to be done, but then
that's between them and the lord, you know.
So that's something that's aburden that can be lifted from
us.
It's not an excuse.
We do the work like we weretalking about, but it is

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something that is not.
It doesn't need to weigh heavyon you, because that's between
them and the Lord.
We pray for them.
We pray for them a lot.
We pray for them a lot, anywho.
And then a very practicalexample is this summit right, so
I put all the work into it.
I did what God has asked me todo and I feel like he really

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wanted me to do this, like allthe steps just laid out the way
it was supposed to.
Here we are, but like I didn'tget to control who showed up,
and I wanted to control whoshowed up and I asked for
something and I didn'tnecessarily get it, but that's
okay, because I trust that godhas that in his hand and the
right people are showing up atthe right time, and it's been so
amazing, and so I it's not myresponsibility to make the
people come right.

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I did what I was supposed to doand here here are, the right
people are, and so I'm so happythat everyone who is here is
here, and it's been such ablessing, and so that is very
practical in your business.
And so, as you are making theoffer or making this or trying
to make the sales or doingwhatever offering that lead
magnet, you have to do the workto the point where you've done

(34:02):
all you can do that God hascalled you to do.
Not everything you've done.
There's a million things that Idon't need to be doing, that I
could be doing, but if that's inalignment with God, like we
talked about earlier, and thenyou let the next, what follows?
You leave that on him.
How many people sign up for youropt-in?
How many people say yes to youroffer?

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How many people show up to yoursummit?
If you do something like this,if you're you know, if you're,
hopefully prayerfully, yourchildren grow up to love and
know the Lord right and be yourfriend.
That's my hope.
Right to love and know the lordright and be your friend.
That's my hope, right friendand know the lord.
Know the lord.
First, he doesn't need to be myfriend, but uh, and then you
know, there, that's, those aresome.

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And then if you're more in likeyour, if you're just like
regular life, right, if you havea difficult conversation that
you have to have with a familymember or a friend and you know
that it needs to be done and youdo it, that surrender looks
like not doing something becauseyou're afraid of the outcome.

(35:06):
If you're supposed to do it,you need to do it.
If it's because you've donesomething, or if they've done
something, you go to yourbrother and your sister or your
sister and you try to fix thatrelationship.
And if they are not willing tohave it be fixed, then that's
not on you.
That's a hard thing to let goof, but it is not your
responsibility.
You are not in control of theirfeelings.

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They are responsible for that.
You have been called to go tothem with whatever it is that
the problem may be, if it's onyour side or their side that's
beautiful.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Um, I'm just like, as you're talking, just like
reflecting on my own life oflike moments where I had to
surrender because I wanted toknow what I want, guaranteed
what the outcome would be beforeI took the action and not
actual surrender like Surrendertakes risk, because it requires

(36:02):
trust, not really in otherpeople, it requires trust in the
Lord that he actually will dothings that are better than what
I can ask or imagine.
And a lot of times I get imagesin my mind of what I think would
be best for me or what I thinkwould be best for other people
and I try to manipulate andcontrol that to receive the
outcome that is in my mind andit ends up being really

(36:26):
manipulative.
I think that's why, like from abusiness perspective, like
people are so icked out, like bymarketing, is marketing most of
the time feels reallymanipulative when you are trying
to control outcomes.
And in business, when you aretrying to control outcomes and
in business, when you are havinga partnership, like we have
Elise, or you're having um,let's a sale right.

(36:48):
Like we're making an offer,right, you're having a sales
conversation and you make anoffer, the other person on the
other side of that screen orphone call or in-person meeting
or however you're making theoffer, um, or on that sales page
, has a legitimate option.
Otherwise it's not an offer.
You could tie them up and makethem come to your summit
theoretically, but if you'relegitimately making an offer,

(37:10):
they genuinely have an option todecline, and so you literally
have to give someone space tosay no.
When you're living by thisframework, you literally have to
give space for someone to sayno and to be, okay with that and
to trust that God is still goodin that.
And I think what we like to dois we like to have guaranteed

(37:32):
results of like, well, I'm goingto make $10,000 in my first 90
days of business, right, andit's like, well, those are other
human, those would be human,those would be human beings who
would be giving you that $10,000because of the value that you
provided.
Right, who are making consciousdecisions.
Right, like it's not all up toyou.

(37:52):
Right, on whether or notsomeone takes your offer or not.
Like you're responsible formaking offers.
You're responsible for showingup, like you have so eloquently
on the summit, like throughoutthe summit, and like showing up
in so many different ways atleast like I've seen you, oh my
goodness, show up, and I'vetalked to you about this
privately.
Just like it's amazing.
Just I'm going to go a littlerabbit trail here Like what

(38:13):
Elise is able to do in two hoursis absolutely incredible when
she sits down and she literallyjust takes the next step.
Like people like me and a lotof people that I've worked with,
we can talk about all the steps, and like we can talk about
step 17,.
Like we're talking aboutearlier, but when you actually
sit down.
It's amazing what you can do intwo hours when you know what
the next step is and you're justfocused on doing that Right,

(38:36):
and then, when you take thatstep, the next step becomes more
apparent.
But going back to surrender,when you are taking those steps,
a lot of times it requirescooperation and collaboration
with other individuals again,who have the ability to say no,
the ability to choose not towork with you, the ability to
have their own boundaries, whichis a beautiful thing.
And so, even when we think froma marketing perspective, it's

(38:59):
not.
How can we make people give usmoney?
It's not even how can we makemoney.
I think the only people who canactually make money is the
government.
I don't really think that'sentirely fair, but they
literally make money.
You can't make money out ofthin air.
What you can do is you canoffer value and you can allow
people to choose to work withyou or not, and I think that's a

(39:20):
way more fun way to do businessthan trying to manipulate and
control results.
Anyways, I don't know if youhave anything else you want to
say about surrender, but thoseare my thoughts.
We can move forward or anythingelse you want to say.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah.
So just briefly, I want to talkabout what surrender really
means Underneath and I'm surewe've already touched it, but'm
looking at my notes I'm gonnajust make sure we're not missing
anything.
Um, it means really trustingthat god's plans are better than
ours, right, and so that can be.
That's letting go of control,which is an illusion.
Right, we've touched on that alittle bit.

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We think that we have all ofthis control, but we, honestly,
we don't.
Um, we can make our plans, butgod's the only one that really
knows where, what's happeningand what's going to take place.
And so it's knowing andbelieving that the god that you
say that you serve has the bestintentions for you.

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So, as you're living your lifeout and you know you need to be
letting go of whatever theresults are, can you honestly
say I trust you, lord, with thisthing that's happening right
now?
I know that your intentions,your plans, are better than mine

(40:37):
in mind, and that's a.
It can be a hard place to be,um, because we want to be in
control, like I want to knowwhat's up, I want to know what's
next, I want to make thingshappen, like you were talking
about, jeremy.
It becomes manipulation when westart trying to make things

(40:58):
happen instead of just trustingthat god has it figured out.
Like the you know, especiallywhen you get to a point where
there's nothing, you can doright.
So whenever the you know, thegod that we serve parted the red
sea, there was no other plan,but they had to be surrendered

(41:19):
and he made a way.
And so, like there's always away, god is making a way and if
we are, you know, calledaccording to his purpose and man
I think I'm butchering this buteverything is for our good and
for his glory, for those wholove him.
Right, and you may not feelgood or sound good or seem good,

(41:42):
but it is, my friend, it reallyis.
There's this little side,anecdotal thing, right, my, the
last place we lived excuse me,the last place we lived a
hurricane came through and tookaway our house.
Did that feel good?
No, it sure didn't.
But a lot of things happenedafter that, little things that
happened.
And where we are now would havenever taken place if that

(42:04):
wouldn't have happened.
And God worked that catastropheout for our good.
Like we live in a new town, wehave new people and I love those
people in that town.
Like, don't get me wrong, butwe needed to be where we are
right now.
God worked that out for my goodand for his glory and a lot of
good things have come from that.
But I wouldn't have said, oh,this is a good thing.

(42:26):
I remember crying and being likewhy am I so upset?
I know the Lord is going totake care of this, but even
Jesus cried.
That's more anecdotal things.
He cried whenever he found outhis friend died and he
definitely knew things weregoing to be better.
So it's to have emotions.
This is definitely a rabbittrail.
It's definitely okay to haveemotions and be upset about

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whatever the situation is.
God can handle that and jesuscried and he's the one that
raised lazarus from the deadlike he knew it was gonna work
out my friend, and so I can havemy feelings too and also trust
him.
So they don't go they're notusually exclusive Like have your
feelings and trust the Lord.
Ok, well, I'm sorry, so good.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Can I just speak to the Christian mom?
You're like watching this rightnow, because I think everything
you just said is so applicablefor those of you are watching.
What the Lord has done in yourlife has been intentional and
it's not wasted, and even thetrials that you have faced and
are facing your life will beredeemed for good.
And the reason that james saysto count it all trials, to count

(43:34):
it um, um, count it joy whenyou meet trials of various kinds
is because of what elise justsaid because he will work it out
for your good.
And I get to work withpurpose-driven entrepreneurs
like Elise all the time and Isee how the Lord uses and Lisa
Wachick has been commentingthroughout this live she talks a

(43:54):
lot about this too which is theLord often uses our weaknesses
to show his strength.
The Lord often uses theweaknesses to show his
redemption, and Lord often usesthe weaknesses to show his
redemption and he wants toredeem, even through your
business, like the way.
The people that you're calledto serve typically are people
who are relating to theweaknesses that you face in your
life.
And when you hide theweaknesses in your life and you

(44:17):
hide the trials in your life,you're hiding the redemption
that God wants to expose to thepeople he's called you to serve,
and so it's a beautiful,beautiful thing when you do what
Elise just did and what we tryto do All of us is to be honest
about our.
You know the upsetness right oflosing a house For me, I lost
my business the sadness of thoseexperiences, but also to trust

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that God uses that A lot oftimes, even in business, as some
of us are coaches or sellingproducts or selling services,
like a lot of those.
When you trace it back to itsorigin, you have been equipped
through the difficulties thatyou face in your life and he's
literally used that, and it's soincredible when you get to walk
in that and you get to helpother people experience the same

(45:04):
type of redemption the Lordgave to you through other people
and through your experiences.
So I just want to say that foranybody watching who's
discouraged and feels like animposter because of the trials
that they're still facing intheir life, and to say that you
are on this journey like we allare, and that the Lord is
redeeming, that you are on thisjourney like we all are and that

(45:24):
the Lord is redeeming.
And on this side of heaven, wejust get to get little glimpse
after little glimpse, after manyresurrection after many
resurrection that points ustowards heaven, that points us
towards Christ.
And so don't give up when youface the next trial like there
will always be trials in yourbusiness, there will always be
trials in your life.
Just know that the Lord isgoing to use that to equip you
and he's going to bringredemption through it.
So anyways, yes, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
I love that.
Perfect, perfect, okay.
So let's move on to likepractical application.
We're going to call this livingin the tension of ownership and
surrender, so like dailypractices for ownership and
surrender.
The first one I would say isdefinitely we've talked about
this a little bit, prayerfully,discerning what is yours to act

(46:05):
on and what is God's to handle,and so that line may be not
always as clear as we want it tobe, but that we go back to
having the Holy Spirit andtrusting that, even when it
doesn't make a lot of sense,doing what he says is right.
Right, it may feel like youhave to do something next to

(46:28):
move yourself forward, but ifGod says to wait, then it is
your responsibility to wait.
So living in that tension andthat requires us living in
communion with the Lord all thetime right Talks about praying
without ceasing, knowing andstaying in communication with
him, asking him to be in all ofyour decisions, not just the

(46:49):
little ones or the big ones, andjust prayerfully discerning
these things.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
You have something to say about that uh, well, one of
the things that just stuckright out to me as soon as you
said how do you live in thetension.
One thing that's been reallyhelpful for me um, I've been
like on this emotional healthjourney.
Um, we talked a lot about likeabout the baggage and the trauma
that we've all faced, like inour lives, whether it's through

(47:16):
our businesses or lives, or oreven in our home and
relationships.
One of the things that's reallybeen helpful for me and it goes
back to what you're talkingabout the emotions is drawing
like this quadrant on a piece ofpaper and just writing like.
So you have four boxes and inone box you just write
everything that you're gladabout, and then, in another box,

(47:36):
write down everything thatyou're sad about, and then in
another and just take like twominutes for each of these, and
then in another box, write downeverything you're mad about, and
then, in another box, writedown everything you're anxious
about and just be totallytransparent and honest about
where you really are and whereyou're coming from and the
emotions that you have, thedesires that you have, the
thoughts that you have, withoutjudgment, just writing those

(47:59):
down freely, and they also showa lot about where your heart
really is, because the goal isnot to like fake it till you
make it to where you have, likeperfect ownership and perfect
surrender.
The goal is to be where you'rereally at and allow the Lord and
the Holy Spirit to shine areflector or a mirror so you can
see yourself more clearly.
And so, when you're more awareof where you're really at just

(48:20):
emotionally I think this is justone avenue but when you're more
aware of where you're atemotionally, you can see areas
that the Lord might want tospeak to you.
You can see maybe an invitationfor the Lord to meet you there.
You can see even some of thesinfulness in your own heart,
like the things you're anxiousabout.
You can kind of see a lot oftimes anxiety comes from trying

(48:43):
to take responsibility forsomething you can't control.
Right, for the other people,the little people in your life
right, that you're called to bea parent to right, and there's
so much anxiety that can comefrom that.
And I think ultimately, if wechase it back far enough, it's
surrender.
Surrender, though, even thepeople in your life that you're
called to um be influencing um,even in business, right, same

(49:08):
idea Surrender the other personin that partnership, surrender
the other person, um, on thatsales call, surrender who's
going to show up to the summit?
Surrender what comes out of thiszoom live that Lisa and I are
doing right now?
Right, and just show up and beyourself and allow the God and
other people to meet you whereyou're really at.

(49:28):
That's one, that's one helpfultool that I've used to kind of
see where I'm at on thesurrender ownership side of
things.
Do you have another one?
At least?
Because I gotta.
I gotta brainstorm if there'sanother another tool, um I don't
have anything super practicallike that.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
No, I love that.
I think that's wonderful andvery um intentional to like get
out your emotions and your yourfeelings on paper.
Uh, just giving them to thelord?
No, I do not have any toolslike that.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Another one, if I may , another one on the ownership
side is we really like to focuson?
Like if I have more time, thenI'll move forward with hiring a
coach.
If I have more money, then I'llinvest in my purpose beyond
profit.
Those are objections that, likeI get a lot, it's like if the
circumstances change, then I'llinvest in my purpose beyond

(50:22):
profit.
Those are objections that, likeI get a lot, it's like if the
circumstances change, then I'lltake ownership, and I don't
think that that is 100% faithfulobedience all the time.
I think what the Lord oftencalls you to invest first, like
as entrepreneurs, our job is toprovide value first before we
ask for people to match thatlevel of value right.

(50:43):
And so the whole point of thislike free summit that Elise has
been doing and the freeresources that we create is we
want to provide value firstbefore we ever make an offer,
before we ever ask for money,before we ever ask for someone
to match an investment.
Like our goal is to be faithful, to deliver the value that God
has deposited inside of us andthe work that he's done inside

(51:05):
of us, whether or not people paymoney for that down the road or
not.
And so I see a lot of people,including myself at times, who
will really hold back and nottake that leap of faith and not
invest their treasure where theywant their heart to be.
And I think Matthew six is likeclear about that like where
your treasure is there, yourheart will be also.

(51:26):
It's this idea of a reallypractical way to lead your heart
into peace and into purpose isputting your treasure there
right, investing your time,investing your energy, investing
your money in the place whereyou want your heart to grow.
And we so often get distractedby shiny objects of people
promising other outcomes andother results, and so if you

(51:50):
live there, you will be sold bya million different things
because there's a milliondifferent ways of making money
until you take full ownership ofthe gifting and the deposit
that God has already put in yourlife.
So when we, elise and I, makean offer for you to work with us
, it's going to be in alignmentnot with making you more like me

(52:14):
or making you more like Elise,but taking full ownership of
your unique gifting and yourunique calling and acting on
that and stewarding that andwalking in that day by day.
That's what stewardship lookslike.
It's not waiting for thecircumstances to change.
It's not waiting for otherpeople to change.
It's you taking the next step,anyways?

Speaker 1 (52:36):
back to you, lisa.
Absolutely, that was super good.
So I know that we have coveredso much and hopefully you're
walking away with a freshperspective of what it looks
like to really radically ownyour responsibilities and
radically surrender in obediencewith the Lord.
But I also know that staying inthe balance isn't always easy

(52:56):
and it's really hard to do byyourself and, like Jeremy was
just talking, about we are goingto make you an offer, and that
is what I'm going to do rightnow, right?
So Jeremy has had the PurposeBeyond Profit Mastermind for a

(53:17):
long time two years, if I'mcorrect.
I guess it's not that long, butlong enough, right?
Anywho, now I'm correct, Iguess it's not that long, but
long enough, right?
Anywho, now I'm just ramblingand I have just joined and
partnering with him inside ofthis mastermind, and so I've
been in it for a year and I'mofficially going to start
helping, doing some office hoursand some coaching, and my

(53:38):
course is going to be inside ofthere as well, and so I love it
so much.
I am where I am now because ofthe Lord, but the people that
God has placed in my life,jeremy included.
I did not know where I was goingor what I wanted to do.
Well, I kind of had like amillion ideas and I asked the

(53:59):
Lord to send me the right person, and Jeremy ended up in my
inbox and he just offered me acoaching call.
And I was the Lord to send methe right person.
And Jeremy ended up in my inboxand he just offered me a
coaching call and I was like, ohokay, and I got on there and it
was great and I hired him and Ihaven't left right, so totally
worth every penny that I've everspent, and I love, love, love
him and his wife Isabella.
They're a fabulous team andthey really care about people,
and so what we are offering youtogether now get down on part of

(54:22):
the team, um is the purposebeyond mastermind.
This thing that is, uh,fabulous, and it is for
faith-filled entrepreneurs, um,who are serious about getting or
growing a purpose-drivenbusiness without sacrificing
your faith or your family oryour peace, right?
So I'm going to let Jeremyexplain what exactly is inside

(54:44):
of it, because he can do thatbetter than me, yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
I, this mastermind, um was not something that I
thought up, um two and a halfyears ago.
Um, this has been me takingaction step-by-step, in faith,
and coming to this point, um,where the Lord was giving me
frameworks for how to lovepeople through business.

(55:14):
Before that, I ran a marketingagency that was all about making
money.
It was all results focused, andspeak of the overwhelm and
anxiety I'm speaking fromfirsthand experience throughout
this whole training Like thishas been something that the Lord
has taught me personally andhas been redeeming inside of me
personally, and I'm still onthat journey.

(55:36):
But I started to launch theselittle coaching cohorts that I
would take people through mycourse and I would coach them
through all the way from, likewhat is your purpose beyond
profit?
To how do you communicate yourbusiness mission, to how do you
land clients, to how do youbuild systems, to how do you
build strategic partnerships togrow your business mission.
To how do you land clients.
To how do you build systems, tohow do you build strategic
partnerships to grow yourbusiness, to how you lead your

(55:58):
team holistically.
And so I would take peoplethrough this 12-week program and
then they'd have the option ofjoining this mastermind, and
this mastermind was previouslyjust for my coaching client,
graduates, and so recently theLord has called me to integrate
my course and my coaching and mycommunity all into one, and so
it's kind of everybody movingand merging into the mastermind

(56:21):
which has been runningsuccessfully for over two years,
like Elise was saying.
But in that same process, as Itook that step, literally in the
next couple of weeks, I saw anamazing opportunity to partner
with Elise and what she bringsto the table is so, so, so
powerful and so not what I'mgifted in, which is having a

(56:43):
schedule, which is havingrhythms, which is having clarity
on your boundaries andpriorities.
I love being a big picturethinker.
I love helping people withtheir like doing business
coaching.
Elise is phenomenal at speakingto the mom, who has a life that
is juggling a lot of differentroles Right In your business, at
home as a wife, as a mother, asa friend, as someone in the

(57:05):
community, as someone at church.
Like there's a lot of differentroles, a lot of different things
you're balancing, and so shehas her own amazing story in
that.
But so the mastermind is anintegration.
It's like an ecosystem ofpurpose driven entrepreneurs who
are learning what it looks liketo build their business in
alignment with their God givenpurpose and have peace in their

(57:26):
life and home, and so that'sthrough.
We do that through courses, wedo that through coaching, office
hours.
So every week you have, onaverage, about three office
hours where you can hop into,whether it's an office hour with
Elise or myself, and we alsohave another guy, taylor Arne.
He does the tech side ofbuilding in the backend systems.
People that we invite into ourmastermind are people who have

(57:54):
unique gifting, and so they alsoget to contribute, and so
you're not just here to onlyreceive, you're also here to be
a part of the ecosystem and toto build partnerships and to
pray together and encourage eachother.
Um, it's a really, reallytight-knit community.
Right now, we only have aboutlike nine people in the
mastermind, and so I would loveto have another three to five

(58:14):
people in there from the summit,and so we would love to make
the offer to some of you whoreally are serious, like Lisa
was saying, really are seriousabout taking full ownership of
their own beliefs and actions,who are willing to invest their
treasure in the place where theywant their heart to be, which
is in peace and in purpose ofwhat God has called them to do.

(58:37):
And so, yeah, I guess, tosummarize all of that, you have
my biblical business course,which is a 12-week course, and
there's also coaching inaddition to that that comes with
the mastermind.
And then you have Elise'scourse on stewardship and
surrender, which is a lot ofwhat we were talking about today
, right?
And so she also offers theoffice hour, and we have just

(58:59):
other coaches in there as well.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Does that give?

Speaker 2 (59:03):
some clarity on what the mastermind is.
There's a lot there, Elise.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Yeah, I know, I think it is, I think it definitely
does.
I can attest to what thecommunity is like Whenever I
know.
Before I joined, before I metJeremy, I really felt alone.
Right, you're a business owner,you work by yourself, like
especially if you're a mom andyou are right, you spend your

(59:26):
days with toddlers or older kids, with children, and then you
work on your business byyourself.
So there's very little.
Even if your spouse is supersupportive mine is super
supportive he doesn't understand, um, and so like he just
doesn't get it.
Um, he's totally always there,like 100, but it's not.
He doesn't understand.
And so, like having people inyour life that know the

(59:49):
struggles, understand theloneliness of being a business
owner by yourself, especially anonline business owner and just
knowing that these people getyou, they understand you,
they're there to support you,and then the layer that these
people that are in this groupalso love and know the Lord and
they're not just giving you likerandom marketing advice that

(01:00:10):
they read or whatever to get youto you know your next mile
marker or whatever the word isright.
They honestly care about you,your relationship with the Lord
and your business all of thosethings in one time, and so the
people in there are fabulous,like totally fabulous, and
several of the speakers thisweek are also Mastermind members

(01:00:34):
.
So Amy Lisa Schaefer and Amy'slast name is Paul Amy, paul Lisa
Schaefer, lauren Ralstonthey're all inside the
Mastermind as well and justhaving this group of people that
you can really go to with anykind of thing that's going on,
if that's in your business, andlike I've talked to several of

(01:00:55):
them about things that are justhappening in life, like they
become more than just like abusiness relationship.
They become friends, like theirfamilies, their sisters and
brothers in Christ, like theyare fabulous and I can't speak
highly enough of all of them inthere.
Um, so if you are listening andyou're thinking like this is
what I need, then we wouldreally love for you to join us.

(01:01:18):
There is no pressure and we'renot making you join.
Like we were talking aboutearlier.
We can make the offer you getto make the decision we are.
I'm going to leave the link tothe landing page all about this
so you can learn more about itin the description of this or in
the comments, both one of thetwo, I'm not sure.
Somewhere below this video wewill be able to find the link to

(01:01:42):
the mastermind and if you areinterested, even at all, you can
get on a call with me andJeremy and we will talk about it
and where you are in yourbusiness, if it's right for you,
what that looks like and how wecan move forward.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Beautiful, yeah, I'm really grateful, for I feel like
I have been a receiver of themastermind.
It's not centered around me,it's centered around amind.
It's a sense of like.
It's not centered around me,it's centered around a
collaboration.
It's what the body of Christlooks like when it works

(01:02:19):
together in business instead ofisolating everyone and everyone,
kind of competing and doingtheir own thing.
You have beautiful things likelike this, like like this
partnership that we have rightnow at least.
You see things like thathappening all over the place,
from referrals to joint events,to joint resources, to sharing

(01:02:42):
resources, to just beingvulnerable on a call and saying
this is why I'm struggling withmy business and having people
who can speak to that and say,yeah, I've been there.
So seeing how biblicalprinciples and strategies apply
in other industries and howthat's all the innovation is, a

(01:03:02):
lot of times it's taking what isindustry standard for someone
else and applying it to yourindustry and your situation, and
so there's a lot of diversityin the mastermind as well.
We like to have people who arein different industries because
it brings a diversity ofperspective, but all still in
alignment of loving peoplethrough business.
That's a beautiful thing.
And then just one more note onthe call.

(01:03:23):
So Elise and I are doing thesejoint coaching calls, sales call
things.
We're like telling you aboutthe mastermind and answering any
questions you have, but alsomaybe helping you take a baby
step forward in your businessand your life at the same time,
and so.
But we're only offering thosejoint calls until, I believe
it's about April 3rd, soliterally over the course of
this summit.
So if you book a call beforethe summit ends, elise and I

(01:03:47):
have scheduled our schedules ina way that we can both show up
for you and both meet you andboth help you take the next step
.
So I'm really really excitedabout that.
So don't wait to book a call.
Someone was saying, hey, I'mgoing to have a toddler on my
lap and it's like fantastic, welove working with mompreneurs.
We get it.
That's how it is right.
So just show up where you are,come empty-handed.

(01:04:08):
We'll come empty-handed, we'llmeet you where you're at and
hopefully help you take the nextstep forward.
Another thing that I want topoint out that we're doing
special for the summit is we arebasically offering 100%
satisfaction guarantee, whereasin the first month if you don't
like it, if you're like I can'tbelieve Jeremy and Elise, what's
it called?
When you?

(01:04:29):
They didn't switch like this isnot what they were talking
about, right?
Like they don't, they don'tshow up, they don't care, they
weren't on the office hours, orI didn't get what I was looking
for.
Um, we'll just give you a fullrefund in the first month.
We'll just make it completelyrisk-free, um, you can see it as
a free trial, but we do wantyou to have skin in the game
from the beginning.
But, like I said, if you you'relike this is not what I'm
looking for, this is not goingto be helpful for me.

(01:04:50):
Let us give you a full refund.
We don't really want your moneyunless we're actually helping
you make progress forward inyour life, your business.
Anything else that I'm missing,Elise.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
No, I don't think so.
I think you covered everything.
Yeah, definitely jump on that.
Call with us if you'reinterested in any way.
Yeah, jeremy's right, we canonly make our schedules work
together for a little bit, notforever.
And yes, bring your toddlers.
Asher will show up too.
He shows up to all kinds ofstuff with people, so bring your
toddlers, bring your whatever.
We're here for whatever you got.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Yeah, oh, and then are you, aren't you offering the
VIP stuff in there as well?

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
Yes, if you, if you join the mastermind, then you
will also receive the VIP allaccess pass for this summit as
well.
So that means that you get allof the bonuses that all the
speakers gave inside and thenyou have access to all of the
recordings, the interviews thatare going over that are

(01:05:51):
happening over the five days ofthe summit.
You'll have access to them andyou can rewatch them or watch
one that you missed.
And if you already did purchasethe VIP All Access Pass and you
do join the Mastermind, then Iwill refund you that money.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Cool and we also have a bunch of like recordings from
all of our previous workshopsbecause we'll have like outside
experts a lot of times coming into speak.
Lisa says I usually bring mycats.
There are all different kindsof things going on there.
Like I said, people show up asthey are.
It's a lot of fun.
But, yeah, you can go back andwatch, like we do in person

(01:06:27):
retreats as well, so I get tomeet Elise in person.
We've never met in person, sowe get to meet in person this
year in May, so I'm superexcited about that.
But we have like our retreatvideos from previous years and
then also like our workshopsfrom all previous weeks all the
replays in there as well thatyou get immediate access to Give

(01:06:49):
it a shot for a month, see whatyou think and then go from
there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Yeah, yeah, cool.
What do you say?
Yeah, okay, guys, all right,we're going to wrap it up.
Thank you, guys so much forbeing here with us.
This was fabulous and we willhopefully talk to all of you
very, very soon.
Bye, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Bye.