January 23, 2025 • 31 mins
This episode features a powerful conversation with Denise G Lee, who provides insights on balancing faith and business while emphasizing the importance of prioritizing God above all else. Denise encourages listeners to reflect on their time management practices and to consider whether they are glorifying God or simply fulfilling personal desires.
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• Exploring Denise's journey as a healing and leadership coach
• Discussing the intersection of therapy, coaching, and faith
• Importance of mindful time management according to biblical principles
• Challenging the hustle culture and redefining success
• Recognizing the significance of God-first living
• Identifying signs of self-focus versus a spirit-led life
• Strategies for single mothers in managing responsibilities
• Importance of prayer and spiritual practices for clarity
• Building strong marital relationships through communication
• Encouragement for women feeling the pressure of entrepreneurial expectations
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello everyone.
We're so glad that you're here.
I have a wonderful, sweet ladythat I want to introduce you to.
Her name is Denise G Lee, andI'm going to let her introduce
herself because, well, she knowsmore about herself than I do,
that's for sure, right?
So, denise, why don't you telleverybody who you are, who you
serve, what you do and why youdo it?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
who you serve, what you do and why you do it.
Well, thank you, Elise, forhaving me, and you know the
question of like.
I feel like I know myselfbetter than you do.
I don't think we ever really doknow ourselves.
I think that conversations likewe're about to have is going to
be more revealing about thingsthat we even never thought was
about who we are on our agenda.
So, that being said, my name isobviously Denise G Lee and my
title is a healing andleadership coach, which kind of
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is funny, because when you thinkabout it, healing, leadership
what's that really all about?
Basically, a fancy way ofsaying I'm a life coach for
business owners and executives.
There is this weird in-betweengap where therapy ends and
healing and coaching begins, andso what I do is I kind of fill
in that space where I helpbusiness owners, executives,
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busy people, busy moms, busy,like everyone's doing stuff, but
they don't feel like they haveanyone that can really connect
and relate with them, and so myjob is to not guide you, but
walk alongside you and give youideas and considerations that
you may not have already put inplace, because, let's face it,
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when we're in the middle of ahurricane or tornado.
We're just trying to catch ourbreath.
Forget about even trying to getour way away a self away from
the storm.
So I don't want to label ordefine or try to even excuse
what you think you should andshouldn't do.
I'm just trying to put up amirror and reflect back and like
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this is what I see.
Are you in alignment with that?
And so I've been doing that fora lot, a lot of years.
But in this last few years I'vebeen really focusing on the
space on traumas and addictions,because I truly believe that
people who have a calling isusually birthed from some
insecurity or pain or fear.
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No one gets in front of peopleand say I'm selling something or
I'm advocating somethingwithout reason and,
unfortunately, if a lot ofpeople are doing it because of
unhealed hurts and traumas, theycan actually do more harm than
good.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Okay, yeah, that's great.
Okay, so you said you've beendoing this for a lot of years,
right, and well, that's great.
We like having you know, peopleahead of us, right, like we all
are on a journey together andthe way you learn is by gleaning
from people around you and fromthe Lord.
Right, that's what we do.
So you've been doing a lot oflife coaching and before we
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spoke, we were talking abouttrying to focus in on some
biblical approaches to timemanagement and prioritizing your
family, right?
So that's what we discussed,and so I would like you to give
our listeners just some verypractical advice, like what does
that look like to be biblicallyinspired for time management?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Okay, that's a really good question and I love
talking about this because I'mspeaking not just as a business
owner right, I'm talking aboutthis as a follower of price.
I'm talking about this as awife, as a mother.
I have a lot of hats that Ihave juggling all the time, and
to sit here and say that well,I'm above you and I've got it
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all figured out, it's folly.
I'm not sitting here and sayingthat even what I'm about to say
, I follow it 100% of the time,but this has worked for me and
this is what I believe mighthelp you.
And as you're listening to thistoo, what I'm about to say, I
want this to come from a placeof curiosity, not condemnation.
So if you're listening to whatI'm about to say and you're like
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, oh, this doesn't feel good,this is not about making you
feel bad.
Iron sharpens iron.
And if we can't be able to helpeach other in examining the
things that we need to look at,this is not helping.
We're just going to be stuck ina childlike, infant state, and
it's time for all of us to seeareas that are not so nice, not
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because we want to feel bad,because we just want to grow and
do better, not just forourselves but for our children
and for our community.
So, that being said, I want tofirst talk about Ephesians 5, 15
, 6.
Our days are numbered and weobviously need to make sure that
every single moment is used forgood.
I don't know about you, but Iremember in the beginning of my
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kind of re-walking with Christand learning about Purpose
Driven Life it was Rick Warren,I believe, and you had to read
all the way to the end.
And then the end of the bookwas like love God and serve
others, and like you had to reada freaking book just to hear
that book, just to hear that.
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But there's a reason behind it,because in our mind there's a
lot of noise, noise about whatwe should do, what we shouldn't
do, what our parents and UncleJim and Cousin Mabel down the
street were modeling and wedon't really know what to do but
just to try to keep fast.
And I remember having aconversation, at least when I
was talking with someone at avolunteer center and she she's
like in her late 80s and I askedher you know, in your late 80s,
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was rushing really worth it?
And she looked at me.
She says no, I don't wantanyone listening or watching to
this thinking that the hustleand bustle is worth it.
It's a lie.
It's a lie from the enemy, it'sa lie from culture.
So this idea of timestewardship is coming from being
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mindful of the days and thehours we have and questioning
what culture is telling us andwhat God tells us.
And what God tells us mostimportantly is that we're
supposed to keep him first, ourfamily second and everything
else last.
But you go on TikTok andInstagram, rose.
You think we need to keepourselves first and then we'll
feel fabulous and then we'llpour everything out and maybe,
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if we have a second, we'll lookat a scripture that we see
trending on TikTok for ascripture.
I see this a lot within, evenwithin female Christian circles,
that they say that they are Godfirst, but it's really
masquerading as me first, with alittle God on the side, and so
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what's really happening here isthis understanding of are we
using our time to glorify God orourselves?
And we see that in the fruitsof our behavior.
So if you're spending your timein anxious thoughts, if you're
spending your time in anxiousthoughts, if you're spending
your time in comparison, ifyou're spending your time
fixating on what you think youshould be doing.
You've got this timeline goingaround.
That is time used on you, notfor God.
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So I could continue, but I justwant to jump in, no, I know I
could, honey, I could talk more,but I just wanted to give in
that stop to like answer anyquestions you may have and I got
some more under time that Iwant to talk about.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, awesome, okay, no, I think that's wonderful,
okay.
So I love what you're sayingand you gave some very practical
ways that we can say like arewe living?
Um, are we living like we'resaying God's first, but we're
really living how we're?
Like we're first, right Cause,are we just giving the Lord lip
service?
Are we saying that we're doingsomething that we're not
actually doing?
Like, are we in our minds, arewe always having like anxious
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thoughts and things like that?
Do you have any other like flagsthat if someone was saying,
like I think I'm living for theLord, right, I think I'm living
for the Lord.
Right, I think I'm doing it,but I am overtaken by anxious
thoughts, is there anything elselike other than just that, that
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someone could look at theirlife and see, maybe I am
focusing too much on myself andnot really focusing on Christ,
the way that I want to be right,like we want to be searching
after the Lord.
But it can be easy, especiallyin our social media saturated
world, to be so inward focused,like, so where should we look at
ourselves that says like you'renot quite doing what you think
you're doing or what you want tobe doing, which is focusing on
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the Lord.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I want to make some people upset not on purpose, not
on purpose, not not.
This is a whole lot of loveabout what I'm about to say, but
one of the things I commonlysee and I'm specifically talking
about women, okay, that mencould have it too is when I hear
about manifestation boards andvision boards, and basically I'm
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thinking idle boards, where youhave all these things like
trips to Bali or spas or aprivate school for your kids,
and you've all of a sudden, Ijust focus on my energy and I
just want to get to this or justthese milestones.
And then, when you really thinkabout it, is it really about
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honoring God or serving you?
Because, like, for sure, forsure, think about it.
If you're really about trustingand knowing that God will serve
you, why would you have tohypnotize yourself into
believing that within your powermight fix things?
And that's really what a visionboard does.
I'm trying to self-hypnotizemyself.
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And don't get me wrong.
Don't get me wrong.
I have goals, I have intentions, I have things that I really
want to do.
Like I'm not going to sit hereand say, well, I don't have any
intentions, like that's what I'msaying, but is that my?
I wake up and I go to sleep onthat.
I see this a lot specificallywith female entrepreneurs, where
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they have this huge vision andevery sentence out of their
mouth kind of reverts to I havethis many impressions on my
website, or I have this manysales, or you know this other
leader I saw was doing.
This leader I saw was doingthis and like well, well, how's
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your kids doing honey?
And it's just like anafterthought.
Or what's your bible study?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
your prayer life going?
Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, no,that makes total sense.
So we just need to be like whatthe lord says, like our fruits.
They show what we're really,what our real intentions are
right.
So if we're always focusing allof our intention on just our
business or just on like thenext goal, the manifestation,
the next thing, then we'reprobably not focusing on the
right things.
Am I hearing what you're saying?
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Is that right?
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:37):
absolutely Wonderful.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yes, yes, thank you for that.
Okay, so let's say that thereis someone who is stuck in this
like hustle, mindset, right,they're trying to go, they're
trying to do, they're trying towhatever right.
And maybe that's not justbecause they want to hit some
more goals, maybe it's becausethey really need to be making
more money so that their familycan, you know, eat and live and
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keep the lights on right.
So we got to do a lot of things.
You know, obviously we need tomake money.
The Lord provides for us, right.
So we got to do a lot of things.
You know, obviously we need tomake money.
The Lord provides for us, ofcourse.
But she feels overwhelmed andshe wants to live her life for
the Lord and she wants to makesure that her you know, kids eat
right.
So how would she step away fromthe hustle and still, you know,
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move her business forward sothat they can pay the bills?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
you know, move her business forward so that they
can pay the bills.
I remember a few years ago atleast, when I was learning about
Kendra Scott she's not, I don'tknow if she's a believer or not
, that's not the point but Iremember it was she was a single
mother and she, literally witha baby on her back, would go and
knock on doors and would showpeople her jewelry and this was
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pre like height of Instagram andsome other like.
She was literally door to doorsalesman selling her wares and
then, at over time, it just grewup and got bigger within the
Austin Texas area and it tooklarge part within 20 years for
her to build her business and toreally get the notoriety that
she has now.
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And I'm mentioning this not tosay, if you work hard enough and
20 years later you will be likeher.
That's not the point I'm tryingto make here.
The point I'm trying to make is, in that situation that I'm
mentioning, this was literallyher only avenue, because of
child care issues, because oftime constraints and her gifting
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.
Not every person who wants tostart a business is gifted in
the art of marketing and sales.
Those are something totallydifferent and, unless you have
the funds and capital andpatience and self-discipline,
don't be a business owner.
I know that sounds really sadfor me to say this.
Right, I've been a businessowner myself for 13 years and I
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a lot of those years I was notmaking any money.
And I'm saying this to say thatthere's this illusion when we
see people who are very famous,they think that, well, if I can
just like put on some makeup anda good pushup bra and good
lighting, I too can make a lotof money.
And I'm just sitting here andsaying, no, baby, that's not you
, that was just a whole lot offillers and luck and a sprinkle
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of talent.
When you are in a situationwhere you need to provide for
your family okay, when you're inthis I'm specifically talking
to a single mother, a mother whois just trying they've got more
month than money, all right Asituation where you were just
struggling and you're like gosh,denise, like I need to make
this money, I need to support myfamily, I need to do certain
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things, and this is the unsexything I want to share with
people today is, if you need towork three jobs at Walmart
shifted, that's what you need todo.
I don't really.
You're like well, what about mybusiness is really going to
blow up, it's going to havepotential.
Well then, you're going to losesome sleep in between rocking
the baby and burping and thenwriting a post or doing your
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Instagram reel or whatever, andthen go back to your shift job,
and that's not fun to saybecause we are the generation of
the.
I want it now, like overnight.
How?
Why should I try to juggle5,000?
Don't you think it's going tocreate more anxiety?
Absolutely.
That's where you have to go toprayer and go on your knees and
then say to God like what do Ireally need to do?
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What's my top level things?
Please give me the clarity,lord, to evacuate fears and
thoughts and focusing on whatyou need to do.
I remember a mentor of mine atleast, gave me this book.
It was called Mary Geish, itwas the listening prayer and it
was this tactic where you'reliterally in a space of quiet
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and you read a scripture, oryou're just in quiet meditation
on God's word and you just letGod speak to you, speak to you,
and I remember thought oh well,that's nonsense.
I read the book and I actuallystarted doing it and listening
prayer, just really quietly todo or please separate what I
need versus what my fears are.
Help me, lord, to figure outwhat that is and if you actually
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allow God to speak, if youallow Holy Spirit to enter into
your soul and confront thosefears the flesh, the world, the
devil, all that stuff he willmake it clear what you need to
do.
And so for those of you guys whoare listening or watching this
and you're thinking well, that'snot the answer that I want, I
just need you to tell me how Ican go on, mary Kay, and make
more sales, like that's not theanswer.
If you're focusing on me first,fear first, god will be last.
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So if that means scaling backon certain things, if it means
maybe you're working a lot onthe weekends for a whole long
time, that's what it needs to bedone, and I'm sorry, I wish it
was something other than that no, I think that's perfect.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I think you're absolutely right.
Um, we have to make the I talka lot about like.
You cannot do everything at thesame time.
It's just not possible.
Maybe a lot of some people havemore capacity than other people
totally understand that, butyou try to do everything,
something will fall, fall away,and you need to focus on the
Lord and see what he wants fromyou and your.
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He needs to be first, yourfamily needs to be second, and
then it's everything else, and Iand I can tell that we're very
much in alignment about this,and so I just I really, really
love that.
So tell me, how do you you weretalking about earlier, right,
we're gonna shift gears just alittle bit, and then you have
lots of hats, right, and thepeople that are watching this,
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they got lots of hats.
We're moms, we're wives, we'redaughters of the King, we've got
families and friends andchurches and all the stuff and
businesses to run right.
So, with all of that, what doyou do to make sure that your
focus is on Christ first?
What does that look like foryou?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
This is an evolution, lisa.
I can't sit here and say likethis is what will work for me
from time into eternity, right,like that's not what it's about.
But for me it goes back to that.
Priorities, right, keeping Godfirst.
So I wake up and I pick up myphone and I go to my Bible study
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app.
I have a wonderful mentor thatvolunteers me to do different
studies Bible study, in fact.
Right now we're studying throughMark and I do it and I read and
I comment, read and I comment.
Because here's the thing youcan read God's word, but unless
you're fully engaged into it,you can't get the message Of the
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mess that you're workingthrough internally.
So I read and I comment, andthen right, and then after that
my husband's next to me.
I see his light on his screenfrom his whatever he's doing.
We say our prayer together.
We have a morning prayer, andthen this my son and a dog and
someone's barking and all sortsof stuff happens.
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And then the day happens.
Does it absolutely start inthat order that I want?
No, that's the agenda.
Right.
After that I go by my calendar.
I have a calendar where I havethings that are pre-planned,
that have lots of gaps for otherrandomness that happens in the
course of the day, lots of gapsfor other randomness that
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happens in the course of the day, and then it goes back to a
gratitude, appreciation, prayerand sleep.
That's me.
I gave a huge gap becauseMonday, tuesday, wednesday,
thursday, friday, saturday theycan all different, but I just
have a rough structure thatallows time for me to connect
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with God and connect with othersand connect with all the little
people around me.
All that fun stuff.
You know?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yes, yeah, absolutely .
So I'm hearing like you startyour day 100% Well, you try
really hard to start your day100% with the.
Lord, I get that right.
When you have little peoplethat need you.
Sometimes you get woken up at4am with throw up on you.
You know like things justhappen.
The Lord knows, he gives usgrace, but you try to start your
day with the Lord and then yougive yourself space during your
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day.
That says that you're notrushing from one thing to the
next, and that's beautiful.
I think that is a glorious andwonderful way to live our lives,
because it says, like I havetime for the people that come
into my day that maybe I didn'tknow were coming or maybe you
knew were there, like yourchildren or your spouse, but I
love that.
And then sleep.
My goodness.
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Sleep is so important.
It'll basically ruin your life.
If you don't get enough sleep,it can be really, really rough.
So tell me so let's say thatyou're what's the best way that
you reset when your day isn'tgoing as planned?
Let's say, things are just likeoff the rails, crazy.
How do you reset?
Speaker 2 (19:41):
crazy.
How do you reset?
Well, it depends on what thereset's for.
Okay, am I resetting?
Yeah, if I'm, am I resettingbecause someone's irritating me?
Am I resetting because my, mycarefully designed plans have
withered away?
Am I resetting because Iliterally need sustenance?
or food or like so everybody whotalks about I need a, a reset.
It's such a generalized thingto me because if you're hungry,
angry, lonely or tired, there'sa different response for each
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right.
So if I'm hungry, just get upand eat, get something to eat.
I don't need to complicate thisanger.
Usually when you're angry thereare expectations, time of
yourself, time with God, timewith the other person.
Am I even being realistic?
This is a time where youquestion yourself and you
question what you're perceiving.
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Am I lonely?
Am I need to be plugged intopeople?
Look God.
Even God had homies.
All right.
Like why are we thinking thatit's just me and the Holy Spirit
alone?
Maybe you need to call somebody.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Right, I love that.
That's like your husband, yourhusband, Good friend, Good
friend.
You need friends.
Yes, that's so good.
You're absolutely right,Because you're right Whenever
things are not going as planned.
We really should like take asecond and be like Lord, what's
wrong with me?
Am I Lord?
What's wrong with me?
Am I like?
What's the problem?
And then you can assess thatproblem Not in such a general
way.
I love that.
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That's perfect.
That's perfect.
So let's see.
So, you and your spouse, canyou talk about how you guys stay
like as a team, that you'rerunning this race together that
the Lord has put you on?
What does that look like foryou guys?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I remember in the beginning of our marriage we did
marital counseling and Iremember in the beginning our
pastor said to us well, it seemsthat you're a night owl and my
husband and you're you're, uh,early riser and somehow you guys
are gonna have to meet in themiddle and then make sure you
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pray together at the end andgood advice.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Short, sweet, through the point.
I like it.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
There's a lot more in between.
That right for sure.
And I mean we've read so manywonderful books.
I think I'm thinking about HolyMarriage by Gary I'm forgetting
his name, if you give me onesecond, because I remember when
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we were married before we weremarried we read that book, gary
Thomasomas sacred marriage bygary thomas, sorry, and he's
written a whole bunch.
He's a prolific author, by theway.
He's written a lot of books andwe read that book.
I highly recommend that book.
But the idea, if I could justkind of distill, like gary
thomas and some other peopleI've read, is this idea of it's
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a servant-based relationship,meaning that like, and we are
called as women to help, supportand the man is supposed to
guide and love us, and alwaysbeing that focal point of this
marriage is a refining tool.
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It's not an irritant, it's nota convenience, it's not
something that I can.
I only want to stay good wheneverything's happy.
But this thing, like, even whenhe's upsetting me, he's helping
me become a better person.
Every time I'm upsetting him,I'm helping him become a better
person.
And are we meeting togetherspiritually, sexually yeah,
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sexually too emotionallytogether, where we both agree to
making sure that we're fillingeach other up, and that's not an
easy thing.
At least I think that that's aconversation within itself, but
I will say the whole premise isthat we view each other as
refinement tools and and andmotivating, encouraging tools.
I remember I was just just afew hours earlier at least, I
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was on the, I was in somewhereelse and I was just standing up
right typing and my husband justcame around and just gave me a
kiss on the, on the neck, justkind of randomly.
He needed that affection, heneeded that affection, he needed
that love.
As women, we need to be attunedto those small little moments
as well.
They're telling us.
We just need to pay attention.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yeah, absolutely no, that's great.
So, yeah, you're right, thatcould be an entire own
conversation, but I do like that.
It sounds like you've just yourefine one another.
I think that's a beautiful wayto put it.
I think that's great.
And then it's havingconversations with one another
and and being serving and theexpectations, like not being
afraid to talk to your spouseabout what it is that you need.
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That's beautiful.
I love it, okay.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Oh, I will say this.
I will say this real quickly.
Okay, I will say this.
I will say this real quickly Ahuge part of having a nurturing,
loving marriage is not fallingin the trap of mind reading or
assuming or thinking thatsomehow they're out to get us
because they don't anticipateeverything we want.
They're not a mind reader,that's not their job.
So I just wanted to throw thatone out there.
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I love that.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
So this is just a little side note.
My husband told me somethingvery early on in our marriage
We've been married for 12 yearsnow and he basically said, if
there's more than one way totake something that I've said
and one of them is bad, it's notthat I just need you to assume
that it's the good one.
And I'm like, and that has beenthe most helpful advice I've
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ever gotten from him, and so andI remember that and I tell
people that like, if you're, ifyou think, yes, yeah, your
spouse, they're not against you,you guys are a team, we're a
team, right, and so that was.
And he told me that point blank.
And I was like, man, that'swhat I needed, that's exactly
what I needed.
Okay, awesome, all right, so ifyou had.
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So, our audience, our mainaudience here, is women with
young children who, um, who arerunning either just starting or
running a business that'srelatively new.
Um, that's the main people thatare listening to this.
If you had a group of them orjust one right in front of you,
what advice or encouragementwould you give them?
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You can take a second if youneed one.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, you know I've got a lot of advice, some better
than others but one of thecommon things that I definitely
hear and my heart goes out towomen is that the idea that I'm
not good enough if it's notquick enough.
I hear that so much.
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It's been a year or it's beenblah blah, blah timeframe, or I
don't want people to think badabout me because their
expectations that it should takeoff.
If it was had any ideas thatwas married, it should have
launched off.
I'm like, why are you talkingso hard to non-business owners
about business issues?
Why?
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And then you're making yourselffeel crappy about it and then
you're building on faulty ideaswith even stupider conclusions,
conclusions and so like.
I just like want to just wrap mybig arms around them and just
to say like it's time for you tostart re-evaluating who is
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speaking truth to you.
It's time for you tore-evaluate what it means to
actually serve the Lord versustrying to be pleasing to others,
versus trying to be pleasing toothers.
And that's not an easyconversation.
It's not.
It's not because we're going tostart opening the door to some
hurts and some wounds and somedisappointments that you would
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rather just sweep away.
But what's the most importantpart about being a business
owner is to be able to have theresiliency to learn from all
those hurts and see how we canhelp glorify God in the process.
So maybe you might need to takesome courses, yelp.
Maybe it might need to not beas ambitious, yikes.
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Maybe it's time to stop readingevery single thing that you see
scrolling on your screenSometimes more information is
actually harmful, depending onthe source.
So it was a lot more pruning andsubtraction addition.
If you are a mother, if you area business owner and you want
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to elevate yourself, it's goingto take a lot of humility to
actually humble yourself and letGod lift you up.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, absolutely Okay .
So we're about wrapping it up.
Is there anything else you wantto tell the audience, or
anything like that, before youcan?
Yeah, anything else, sorry.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
You know.
I just want to say that there'sa reason why you, my love, are
wanting to grow a business andmake sure that your kids don't
go to jail by 18 or even afterthat.
I get that.
I get that there is a legacythat you want to keep, that you
want to continue.
There is a passion inside ofyou that wants to make a
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difference that you couldn'thave done in corporate America
or wherever you were working orwhatever your agenda was.
But if you're doing this becauseyou feel like it will give you
a sense of worth or validationin this world, I promise you
pain and suffering and confusion.
So if you are listening andyou're thinking to yourself, I'm
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not doing it the right way.
I'm feeling anxious andconfused.
That's literally God, holySpirit, nudging you to a path
that's more aligned to how youwere built and how you were
designed, and if you're lookingto a culture that's not going to
be it, I would pause.
I would hearken you to actuallyask yourself what their
intentions are and ask for godto do healing inside you, to
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point you and line you more towhere you need to be versus
where your fears want you tostay okay, wonderful, all right.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
So can you tell everybody where they can find
you and if you have anything youwant to point them to?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
sayings resonate when you what alicia and I are sorry
, doesn't need, because if, ifit's not, like then you've just
wasted your 25 plus minutes oftime, all right, like, let's
just be real.
And if there is, I really wantyou to write some things down
like what really resonated withyou and that will help, and then
go to god in prayer and askyourself, like what really do I
need to put to the throne andreally examine.
That's the first and foremost,before you do anything else.
And the second thing is, if, ifthe conversation has resonated
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and you would love to learn moreabout me, I invite you to visit
my website, denisegleecom.
There are tons of articles over100 articles by myself, doctors,
therapists, leaders that talkabout healing, productivity,
spirituality.
I always want to make sure thatmyself and for the most part,
(30:59):
invulnerable and transparentabout the process, because it's
not a cookie and Kool-Aid partyand obviously that site you can
learn more about working with me, my material, all that fun
stuff.
I don't really care what you do, other than the fact that
you're letting God lead thejourney.
That's all I really care.
And I've got a little course, afree little mini course, healed
(31:20):
to lead, and I'm gonna give youat least the link and then we
can share with the audience.
It's a three-day mini course.
I think you'll find veryvaluable.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Wonderful.
Okay, yeah, so I'll get all thelinks and everything to that
stuff and I'll put it in thedescription of this.
So, denise, thank you so muchfor being here with us.
This was fabulous and I justwant to say thank you and I
appreciate you.
Thank you so much for theconversation, absolutely.
Hello everyone.
We're so glad that you're here.
I have a wonderful, sweet ladythat I want to introduce you to.
Her name is Denise G Lee, andI'm going to let her introduce
herself because, well, she knowsmore about herself than I do,
that's for sure, right?
So, denise, why don't you telleverybody who you are, who you
serve, what you do and why youdo it?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
who you serve, what you do and why you do it.
Well, thank you, Elise, forhaving me, and you know the
question of like.
I feel like I know myselfbetter than you do.
I don't think we ever really doknow ourselves.
I think that conversations likewe're about to have is going to
be more revealing about thingsthat we even never thought was
about who we are on our agenda.
So, that being said, my name isobviously Denise G Lee and my
title is a healing andleadership coach, which kind of
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is funny, because when you thinkabout it, healing, leadership
what's that really all about?
Basically, a fancy way ofsaying I'm a life coach for
business owners and executives.
There is this weird in-betweengap where therapy ends and
healing and coaching begins, andso what I do is I kind of fill
in that space where I helpbusiness owners, executives,
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busy people, busy moms, busy,like everyone's doing stuff, but
they don't feel like they haveanyone that can really connect
and relate with them, and so myjob is to not guide you, but
walk alongside you and give youideas and considerations that
you may not have already put inplace, because, let's face it,
(01:33):
when we're in the middle of ahurricane or tornado.
We're just trying to catch ourbreath.
Forget about even trying to getour way away a self away from
the storm.
So I don't want to label ordefine or try to even excuse
what you think you should andshouldn't do.
I'm just trying to put up amirror and reflect back and like
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this is what I see.
Are you in alignment with that?
And so I've been doing that fora lot, a lot of years.
But in this last few years I'vebeen really focusing on the
space on traumas and addictions,because I truly believe that
people who have a calling isusually birthed from some
insecurity or pain or fear.
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No one gets in front of peopleand say I'm selling something or
I'm advocating somethingwithout reason and,
unfortunately, if a lot ofpeople are doing it because of
unhealed hurts and traumas, theycan actually do more harm than
good.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Okay, yeah, that's great.
Okay, so you said you've beendoing this for a lot of years,
right, and well, that's great.
We like having you know, peopleahead of us, right, like we all
are on a journey together andthe way you learn is by gleaning
from people around you and fromthe Lord.
Right, that's what we do.
So you've been doing a lot oflife coaching and before we
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spoke, we were talking abouttrying to focus in on some
biblical approaches to timemanagement and prioritizing your
family, right?
So that's what we discussed,and so I would like you to give
our listeners just some verypractical advice, like what does
that look like to be biblicallyinspired for time management?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Okay, that's a really good question and I love
talking about this because I'mspeaking not just as a business
owner right, I'm talking aboutthis as a follower of price.
I'm talking about this as awife, as a mother.
I have a lot of hats that Ihave juggling all the time, and
to sit here and say that well,I'm above you and I've got it
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all figured out, it's folly.
I'm not sitting here and sayingthat even what I'm about to say
, I follow it 100% of the time,but this has worked for me and
this is what I believe mighthelp you.
And as you're listening to thistoo, what I'm about to say, I
want this to come from a placeof curiosity, not condemnation.
So if you're listening to whatI'm about to say and you're like
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, oh, this doesn't feel good,this is not about making you
feel bad.
Iron sharpens iron.
And if we can't be able to helpeach other in examining the
things that we need to look at,this is not helping.
We're just going to be stuck ina childlike, infant state, and
it's time for all of us to seeareas that are not so nice, not
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because we want to feel bad,because we just want to grow and
do better, not just forourselves but for our children
and for our community.
So, that being said, I want tofirst talk about Ephesians 5, 15
, 6.
Our days are numbered and weobviously need to make sure that
every single moment is used forgood.
I don't know about you, but Iremember in the beginning of my
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kind of re-walking with Christand learning about Purpose
Driven Life it was Rick Warren,I believe, and you had to read
all the way to the end.
And then the end of the bookwas like love God and serve
others, and like you had to reada freaking book just to hear
that book, just to hear that.
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But there's a reason behind it,because in our mind there's a
lot of noise, noise about whatwe should do, what we shouldn't
do, what our parents and UncleJim and Cousin Mabel down the
street were modeling and wedon't really know what to do but
just to try to keep fast.
And I remember having aconversation, at least when I
was talking with someone at avolunteer center and she she's
like in her late 80s and I askedher you know, in your late 80s,
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was rushing really worth it?
And she looked at me.
She says no, I don't wantanyone listening or watching to
this thinking that the hustleand bustle is worth it.
It's a lie.
It's a lie from the enemy, it'sa lie from culture.
So this idea of timestewardship is coming from being
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mindful of the days and thehours we have and questioning
what culture is telling us andwhat God tells us.
And what God tells us mostimportantly is that we're
supposed to keep him first, ourfamily second and everything
else last.
But you go on TikTok andInstagram, rose.
You think we need to keepourselves first and then we'll
feel fabulous and then we'llpour everything out and maybe,
(06:09):
if we have a second, we'll lookat a scripture that we see
trending on TikTok for ascripture.
I see this a lot within, evenwithin female Christian circles,
that they say that they are Godfirst, but it's really
masquerading as me first, with alittle God on the side, and so
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what's really happening here isthis understanding of are we
using our time to glorify God orourselves?
And we see that in the fruitsof our behavior.
So if you're spending your timein anxious thoughts, if you're
spending your time in anxiousthoughts, if you're spending
your time in comparison, ifyou're spending your time
fixating on what you think youshould be doing.
You've got this timeline goingaround.
That is time used on you, notfor God.
(06:59):
So I could continue, but I justwant to jump in, no, I know I
could, honey, I could talk more,but I just wanted to give in
that stop to like answer anyquestions you may have and I got
some more under time that Iwant to talk about.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, awesome, okay, no, I think that's wonderful,
okay.
So I love what you're sayingand you gave some very practical
ways that we can say like arewe living?
Um, are we living like we'resaying God's first, but we're
really living how we're?
Like we're first, right Cause,are we just giving the Lord lip
service?
Are we saying that we're doingsomething that we're not
actually doing?
Like, are we in our minds, arewe always having like anxious
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thoughts and things like that?
Do you have any other like flagsthat if someone was saying,
like I think I'm living for theLord, right, I think I'm living
for the Lord.
Right, I think I'm doing it,but I am overtaken by anxious
thoughts, is there anything elselike other than just that, that
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someone could look at theirlife and see, maybe I am
focusing too much on myself andnot really focusing on Christ,
the way that I want to be right,like we want to be searching
after the Lord.
But it can be easy, especiallyin our social media saturated
world, to be so inward focused,like, so where should we look at
ourselves that says like you'renot quite doing what you think
you're doing or what you want tobe doing, which is focusing on
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the Lord.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
I want to make some people upset not on purpose, not
on purpose, not not.
This is a whole lot of loveabout what I'm about to say, but
one of the things I commonlysee and I'm specifically talking
about women, okay, that mencould have it too is when I hear
about manifestation boards andvision boards, and basically I'm
(08:44):
thinking idle boards, where youhave all these things like
trips to Bali or spas or aprivate school for your kids,
and you've all of a sudden, Ijust focus on my energy and I
just want to get to this or justthese milestones.
And then, when you really thinkabout it, is it really about
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honoring God or serving you?
Because, like, for sure, forsure, think about it.
If you're really about trustingand knowing that God will serve
you, why would you have tohypnotize yourself into
believing that within your powermight fix things?
And that's really what a visionboard does.
I'm trying to self-hypnotizemyself.
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And don't get me wrong.
Don't get me wrong.
I have goals, I have intentions, I have things that I really
want to do.
Like I'm not going to sit hereand say, well, I don't have any
intentions, like that's what I'msaying, but is that my?
I wake up and I go to sleep onthat.
I see this a lot specificallywith female entrepreneurs, where
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they have this huge vision andevery sentence out of their
mouth kind of reverts to I havethis many impressions on my
website, or I have this manysales, or you know this other
leader I saw was doing.
This leader I saw was doingthis and like well, well, how's
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your kids doing honey?
And it's just like anafterthought.
Or what's your bible study?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
your prayer life going?
Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, no,that makes total sense.
So we just need to be like whatthe lord says, like our fruits.
They show what we're really,what our real intentions are
right.
So if we're always focusing allof our intention on just our
business or just on like thenext goal, the manifestation,
the next thing, then we'reprobably not focusing on the
right things.
Am I hearing what you're saying?
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Is that right?
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:37):
absolutely Wonderful.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yes, yes, thank you for that.
Okay, so let's say that thereis someone who is stuck in this
like hustle, mindset, right,they're trying to go, they're
trying to do, they're trying towhatever right.
And maybe that's not justbecause they want to hit some
more goals, maybe it's becausethey really need to be making
more money so that their familycan, you know, eat and live and
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keep the lights on right.
So we got to do a lot of things.
You know, obviously we need tomake money.
The Lord provides for us, right.
So we got to do a lot of things.
You know, obviously we need tomake money.
The Lord provides for us, ofcourse.
But she feels overwhelmed andshe wants to live her life for
the Lord and she wants to makesure that her you know, kids eat
right.
So how would she step away fromthe hustle and still, you know,
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move her business forward sothat they can pay the bills?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
you know, move her business forward so that they
can pay the bills.
I remember a few years ago atleast, when I was learning about
Kendra Scott she's not, I don'tknow if she's a believer or not
, that's not the point but Iremember it was she was a single
mother and she, literally witha baby on her back, would go and
knock on doors and would showpeople her jewelry and this was
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pre like height of Instagram andsome other like.
She was literally door to doorsalesman selling her wares and
then, at over time, it just grewup and got bigger within the
Austin Texas area and it tooklarge part within 20 years for
her to build her business and toreally get the notoriety that
she has now.
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And I'm mentioning this not tosay, if you work hard enough and
20 years later you will be likeher.
That's not the point I'm tryingto make here.
The point I'm trying to make is, in that situation that I'm
mentioning, this was literallyher only avenue, because of
child care issues, because oftime constraints and her gifting
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.
Not every person who wants tostart a business is gifted in
the art of marketing and sales.
Those are something totallydifferent and, unless you have
the funds and capital andpatience and self-discipline,
don't be a business owner.
I know that sounds really sadfor me to say this.
Right, I've been a businessowner myself for 13 years and I
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a lot of those years I was notmaking any money.
And I'm saying this to say thatthere's this illusion when we
see people who are very famous,they think that, well, if I can
just like put on some makeup anda good pushup bra and good
lighting, I too can make a lotof money.
And I'm just sitting here andsaying, no, baby, that's not you
, that was just a whole lot offillers and luck and a sprinkle
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of talent.
When you are in a situationwhere you need to provide for
your family okay, when you're inthis I'm specifically talking
to a single mother, a mother whois just trying they've got more
month than money, all right Asituation where you were just
struggling and you're like gosh,denise, like I need to make
this money, I need to support myfamily, I need to do certain
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things, and this is the unsexything I want to share with
people today is, if you need towork three jobs at Walmart
shifted, that's what you need todo.
I don't really.
You're like well, what about mybusiness is really going to
blow up, it's going to havepotential.
Well then, you're going to losesome sleep in between rocking
the baby and burping and thenwriting a post or doing your
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Instagram reel or whatever, andthen go back to your shift job,
and that's not fun to saybecause we are the generation of
the.
I want it now, like overnight.
How?
Why should I try to juggle5,000?
Don't you think it's going tocreate more anxiety?
Absolutely.
That's where you have to go toprayer and go on your knees and
then say to God like what do Ireally need to do?
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What's my top level things?
Please give me the clarity,lord, to evacuate fears and
thoughts and focusing on whatyou need to do.
I remember a mentor of mine atleast, gave me this book.
It was called Mary Geish, itwas the listening prayer and it
was this tactic where you'reliterally in a space of quiet
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and you read a scripture, oryou're just in quiet meditation
on God's word and you just letGod speak to you, speak to you,
and I remember thought oh well,that's nonsense.
I read the book and I actuallystarted doing it and listening
prayer, just really quietly todo or please separate what I
need versus what my fears are.
Help me, lord, to figure outwhat that is and if you actually
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allow God to speak, if youallow Holy Spirit to enter into
your soul and confront thosefears the flesh, the world, the
devil, all that stuff he willmake it clear what you need to
do.
And so for those of you guys whoare listening or watching this
and you're thinking well, that'snot the answer that I want, I
just need you to tell me how Ican go on, mary Kay, and make
more sales, like that's not theanswer.
If you're focusing on me first,fear first, god will be last.
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So if that means scaling backon certain things, if it means
maybe you're working a lot onthe weekends for a whole long
time, that's what it needs to bedone, and I'm sorry, I wish it
was something other than that no, I think that's perfect.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I think you're absolutely right.
Um, we have to make the I talka lot about like.
You cannot do everything at thesame time.
It's just not possible.
Maybe a lot of some people havemore capacity than other people
totally understand that, butyou try to do everything,
something will fall, fall away,and you need to focus on the
Lord and see what he wants fromyou and your.
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He needs to be first, yourfamily needs to be second, and
then it's everything else, and Iand I can tell that we're very
much in alignment about this,and so I just I really, really
love that.
So tell me, how do you you weretalking about earlier, right,
we're gonna shift gears just alittle bit, and then you have
lots of hats, right, and thepeople that are watching this,
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they got lots of hats.
We're moms, we're wives, we'redaughters of the King, we've got
families and friends andchurches and all the stuff and
businesses to run right.
So, with all of that, what doyou do to make sure that your
focus is on Christ first?
What does that look like foryou?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
This is an evolution, lisa.
I can't sit here and say likethis is what will work for me
from time into eternity, right,like that's not what it's about.
But for me it goes back to that.
Priorities, right, keeping Godfirst.
So I wake up and I pick up myphone and I go to my Bible study
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app.
I have a wonderful mentor thatvolunteers me to do different
studies Bible study, in fact.
Right now we're studying throughMark and I do it and I read and
I comment, read and I comment.
Because here's the thing youcan read God's word, but unless
you're fully engaged into it,you can't get the message Of the
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mess that you're workingthrough internally.
So I read and I comment, andthen right, and then after that
my husband's next to me.
I see his light on his screenfrom his whatever he's doing.
We say our prayer together.
We have a morning prayer, andthen this my son and a dog and
someone's barking and all sortsof stuff happens.
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And then the day happens.
Does it absolutely start inthat order that I want?
No, that's the agenda.
Right.
After that I go by my calendar.
I have a calendar where I havethings that are pre-planned,
that have lots of gaps for otherrandomness that happens in the
course of the day, lots of gapsfor other randomness that
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happens in the course of the day, and then it goes back to a
gratitude, appreciation, prayerand sleep.
That's me.
I gave a huge gap becauseMonday, tuesday, wednesday,
thursday, friday, saturday theycan all different, but I just
have a rough structure thatallows time for me to connect
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with God and connect with othersand connect with all the little
people around me.
All that fun stuff.
You know?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yes, yeah, absolutely .
So I'm hearing like you startyour day 100% Well, you try
really hard to start your day100% with the.
Lord, I get that right.
When you have little peoplethat need you.
Sometimes you get woken up at4am with throw up on you.
You know like things justhappen.
The Lord knows, he gives usgrace, but you try to start your
day with the Lord and then yougive yourself space during your
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day.
That says that you're notrushing from one thing to the
next, and that's beautiful.
I think that is a glorious andwonderful way to live our lives,
because it says, like I havetime for the people that come
into my day that maybe I didn'tknow were coming or maybe you
knew were there, like yourchildren or your spouse, but I
love that.
And then sleep.
My goodness.
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Sleep is so important.
It'll basically ruin your life.
If you don't get enough sleep,it can be really, really rough.
So tell me so let's say thatyou're what's the best way that
you reset when your day isn'tgoing as planned?
Let's say, things are just likeoff the rails, crazy.
How do you reset?
Speaker 2 (19:41):
crazy.
How do you reset?
Well, it depends on what thereset's for.
Okay, am I resetting?
Yeah, if I'm, am I resettingbecause someone's irritating me?
Am I resetting because my, mycarefully designed plans have
withered away?
Am I resetting because Iliterally need sustenance?
or food or like so everybody whotalks about I need a, a reset.
It's such a generalized thingto me because if you're hungry,
angry, lonely or tired, there'sa different response for each
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right.
So if I'm hungry, just get upand eat, get something to eat.
I don't need to complicate thisanger.
Usually when you're angry thereare expectations, time of
yourself, time with God, timewith the other person.
Am I even being realistic?
This is a time where youquestion yourself and you
question what you're perceiving.
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Am I lonely?
Am I need to be plugged intopeople?
Look God.
Even God had homies.
All right.
Like why are we thinking thatit's just me and the Holy Spirit
alone?
Maybe you need to call somebody.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Right, I love that.
That's like your husband, yourhusband, Good friend, Good
friend.
You need friends.
Yes, that's so good.
You're absolutely right,Because you're right Whenever
things are not going as planned.
We really should like take asecond and be like Lord, what's
wrong with me?
Am I Lord?
What's wrong with me?
Am I like?
What's the problem?
And then you can assess thatproblem Not in such a general
way.
I love that.
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That's perfect.
That's perfect.
So let's see.
So, you and your spouse, canyou talk about how you guys stay
like as a team, that you'rerunning this race together that
the Lord has put you on?
What does that look like foryou guys?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I remember in the beginning of our marriage we did
marital counseling and Iremember in the beginning our
pastor said to us well, it seemsthat you're a night owl and my
husband and you're you're, uh,early riser and somehow you guys
are gonna have to meet in themiddle and then make sure you
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pray together at the end andgood advice.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Short, sweet, through the point.
I like it.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
There's a lot more in between.
That right for sure.
And I mean we've read so manywonderful books.
I think I'm thinking about HolyMarriage by Gary I'm forgetting
his name, if you give me onesecond, because I remember when
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we were married before we weremarried we read that book, gary
Thomasomas sacred marriage bygary thomas, sorry, and he's
written a whole bunch.
He's a prolific author, by theway.
He's written a lot of books andwe read that book.
I highly recommend that book.
But the idea, if I could justkind of distill, like gary
thomas and some other peopleI've read, is this idea of it's
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a servant-based relationship,meaning that like, and we are
called as women to help, supportand the man is supposed to
guide and love us, and alwaysbeing that focal point of this
marriage is a refining tool.
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It's not an irritant, it's nota convenience, it's not
something that I can.
I only want to stay good wheneverything's happy.
But this thing, like, even whenhe's upsetting me, he's helping
me become a better person.
Every time I'm upsetting him,I'm helping him become a better
person.
And are we meeting togetherspiritually, sexually yeah,
(23:23):
sexually too emotionallytogether, where we both agree to
making sure that we're fillingeach other up, and that's not an
easy thing.
At least I think that that's aconversation within itself, but
I will say the whole premise isthat we view each other as
refinement tools and and andmotivating, encouraging tools.
I remember I was just just afew hours earlier at least, I
(23:44):
was on the, I was in somewhereelse and I was just standing up
right typing and my husband justcame around and just gave me a
kiss on the, on the neck, justkind of randomly.
He needed that affection, heneeded that affection, he needed
that love.
As women, we need to be attunedto those small little moments
as well.
They're telling us.
We just need to pay attention.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yeah, absolutely no, that's great.
So, yeah, you're right, thatcould be an entire own
conversation, but I do like that.
It sounds like you've just yourefine one another.
I think that's a beautiful wayto put it.
I think that's great.
And then it's havingconversations with one another
and and being serving and theexpectations, like not being
afraid to talk to your spouseabout what it is that you need.
(24:29):
That's beautiful.
I love it, okay.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Oh, I will say this.
I will say this real quickly.
Okay, I will say this.
I will say this real quickly Ahuge part of having a nurturing,
loving marriage is not fallingin the trap of mind reading or
assuming or thinking thatsomehow they're out to get us
because they don't anticipateeverything we want.
They're not a mind reader,that's not their job.
So I just wanted to throw thatone out there.
(24:54):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
So this is just a little side note.
My husband told me somethingvery early on in our marriage
We've been married for 12 yearsnow and he basically said, if
there's more than one way totake something that I've said
and one of them is bad, it's notthat I just need you to assume
that it's the good one.
And I'm like, and that has beenthe most helpful advice I've
(25:16):
ever gotten from him, and so andI remember that and I tell
people that like, if you're, ifyou think, yes, yeah, your
spouse, they're not against you,you guys are a team, we're a
team, right, and so that was.
And he told me that point blank.
And I was like, man, that'swhat I needed, that's exactly
what I needed.
Okay, awesome, all right, so ifyou had.
(25:38):
So, our audience, our mainaudience here, is women with
young children who, um, who arerunning either just starting or
running a business that'srelatively new.
Um, that's the main people thatare listening to this.
If you had a group of them orjust one right in front of you,
what advice or encouragementwould you give them?
(26:00):
You can take a second if youneed one.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, you know I've got a lot of advice, some better
than others but one of thecommon things that I definitely
hear and my heart goes out towomen is that the idea that I'm
not good enough if it's notquick enough.
I hear that so much.
(26:25):
It's been a year or it's beenblah blah, blah timeframe, or I
don't want people to think badabout me because their
expectations that it should takeoff.
If it was had any ideas thatwas married, it should have
launched off.
I'm like, why are you talkingso hard to non-business owners
about business issues?
Why?
(26:46):
And then you're making yourselffeel crappy about it and then
you're building on faulty ideaswith even stupider conclusions,
conclusions and so like.
I just like want to just wrap mybig arms around them and just
to say like it's time for you tostart re-evaluating who is
(27:09):
speaking truth to you.
It's time for you tore-evaluate what it means to
actually serve the Lord versustrying to be pleasing to others,
versus trying to be pleasing toothers.
And that's not an easyconversation.
It's not.
It's not because we're going tostart opening the door to some
hurts and some wounds and somedisappointments that you would
(27:30):
rather just sweep away.
But what's the most importantpart about being a business
owner is to be able to have theresiliency to learn from all
those hurts and see how we canhelp glorify God in the process.
So maybe you might need to takesome courses, yelp.
Maybe it might need to not beas ambitious, yikes.
(27:54):
Maybe it's time to stop readingevery single thing that you see
scrolling on your screenSometimes more information is
actually harmful, depending onthe source.
So it was a lot more pruning andsubtraction addition.
If you are a mother, if you area business owner and you want
(28:17):
to elevate yourself, it's goingto take a lot of humility to
actually humble yourself and letGod lift you up.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, absolutely Okay .
So we're about wrapping it up.
Is there anything else you wantto tell the audience, or
anything like that, before youcan?
Yeah, anything else, sorry.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
You know.
I just want to say that there'sa reason why you, my love, are
wanting to grow a business andmake sure that your kids don't
go to jail by 18 or even afterthat.
I get that.
I get that there is a legacythat you want to keep, that you
want to continue.
There is a passion inside ofyou that wants to make a
(29:01):
difference that you couldn'thave done in corporate America
or wherever you were working orwhatever your agenda was.
But if you're doing this becauseyou feel like it will give you
a sense of worth or validationin this world, I promise you
pain and suffering and confusion.
So if you are listening andyou're thinking to yourself, I'm
(29:22):
not doing it the right way.
I'm feeling anxious andconfused.
That's literally God, holySpirit, nudging you to a path
that's more aligned to how youwere built and how you were
designed, and if you're lookingto a culture that's not going to
be it, I would pause.
I would hearken you to actuallyask yourself what their
intentions are and ask for godto do healing inside you, to
(29:44):
point you and line you more towhere you need to be versus
where your fears want you tostay okay, wonderful, all right.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
So can you tell everybody where they can find
you and if you have anything youwant to point them to?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
sayings resonate when you what alicia and I are sorry
, doesn't need, because if, ifit's not, like then you've just
wasted your 25 plus minutes oftime, all right, like, let's
just be real.
And if there is, I really wantyou to write some things down
like what really resonated withyou and that will help, and then
go to god in prayer and askyourself, like what really do I
need to put to the throne andreally examine.
That's the first and foremost,before you do anything else.
And the second thing is, if, ifthe conversation has resonated
(30:37):
and you would love to learn moreabout me, I invite you to visit
my website, denisegleecom.
There are tons of articles over100 articles by myself, doctors,
therapists, leaders that talkabout healing, productivity,
spirituality.
I always want to make sure thatmyself and for the most part,
(30:59):
invulnerable and transparentabout the process, because it's
not a cookie and Kool-Aid partyand obviously that site you can
learn more about working with me, my material, all that fun
stuff.
I don't really care what you do, other than the fact that
you're letting God lead thejourney.
That's all I really care.
And I've got a little course, afree little mini course, healed
(31:20):
to lead, and I'm gonna give youat least the link and then we
can share with the audience.
It's a three-day mini course.
I think you'll find veryvaluable.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Wonderful.
Okay, yeah, so I'll get all thelinks and everything to that
stuff and I'll put it in thedescription of this.
So, denise, thank you so muchfor being here with us.
This was fabulous and I justwant to say thank you and I
appreciate you.
Thank you so much for theconversation, absolutely.
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