21: Exploring Sexual Flavors: CNC, Cuckoldry & Spectrophilia

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Hey, hey, hey. How about Albert?
Welcome back to the sauce box. I am your host, Samara.
And I am your other host, Nikki.What's up y'all?
Hey, hey, so you guys we are back for installment numero dos
of exploring sexual flavors. Are you excited 'cause I'm

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excited? I'm also excited.
I think this is going to be pretty great, so I I can't wait
to dive in. We have some crazy shit to go
over with you guys, so I hope you all's ready.
Oh yeah. Oh yeah, Oh yeah.
Better than math. I don't know what's wrong with
me. Me either.
Well, before we get started, let's get let's catch up with

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each other. Yeah, so shout out to my man's.
He recently got a another promotion at work and he's going
to be taking on a new position come September.
So we're real excited to finallybe able to get under each
other's skin on a daily basis again, right?
Because he's going to be workingdays now.
Yeah, yeah, we're both really excited.

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It's going to be awesome. I'm going to feel like I'm in a
real relationship and not just like a weekend one.
Yeah, that's. Fucking awesome dude.
Yeah, So before we catch up withyou, I've got a fun story for
for Friday while I was still clocked in.
OK, So I was parked at a DQ parking lot where there's there

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the parking spaces are facing a wooden fence.
And this woman, as I'm sitting inside because I had just ate, I
was getting things situated to to leave.
So I'm sitting there and this woman comes over parks 2 spaces
over like to my right. She got out of her vehicle and

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it was a a pretty nice looking vehicle wasn't like rundown or
anything like that. OK, I just I need to make
certain things kind of clear so.This woman's about to do some
fucking weird shit. Yeah, and I'm not, I'm not
fucking with anyone when I say this.
She got out, walked to the frontof her vehicle.
OK, She squats down and takes a piss.

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What? Yeah, I so I I'm facing for it
and I see this out of the cornerof my eye.
And you're like what the fuck? Yeah, 'cause I'm like, OK, you
didn't pop your hood. You're.
Like what are you doing? At the front of the vehicle.
You're not? Yeah, she's up and then she's
down. OK, So when I actually look over
she's pulling her pants up and we make eye contact.

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Oh my. God, unfortunate for me.
Mind you my my work vehicle has three cameras.
One of them is a front facing camera and I I don't know if she
was like right on the edge of the view.
Like if she was in the frame or not.
Yeah, I I don't know, but Needless to say I saw some of

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her upper puss and when she got back into her vehicle, just to
verify because I was already pretty sure I knew what just
transpired. OK, Yeah, I looked at the ground
and. She backed away.
Yep, there was a puddle of piss on the ground.
What the fuck is wrong with people?

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And you were in the Dairy Queen parking lot, so she could have
gone inside and use the bathroom.
Yeah. She'd rather piss in public.
Out in the open. Yeah, use a restroom.
Public restroom, maybe That's fucking.
Wild Roseburg dude. Fucking.
I don't what the hell I don't understand and I I had told him
my Co workers about he was like oh fucking tweakers and I was

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like I don't think so. You're like, I don't know any
tweakers. I've never heard of tweakers
having cars that nice. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't like a
brand new vehicle by any means, but it was still a it was a nice
SUV. Fucking.
Weird. Yeah, I was.
And I just sat there, kind of. Are you kidding me right now?

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What that is so? Fucking crazy.
I just, I've never seen there. There's weird shit that happens
down here in on Oregon. Gavin and I were walking
downtown last year and this homeless dude just whipped his
Dick out and started pissing. Oh my God.
Like downtown where there's a bunch of little shops and stuff

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and people were out walking behind him.
We were walking across the street and I saw and I was like,
oh. Okay, Piper and I, Piper and I
were walked. I think it was, I don't know, it
was a few months back, but we were in downtown Eugene and we
were walking to go get a tattoo.Like she wanted to get this
tattoo and we're walking throughin.

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I look down and I'm like, I pushPiper to the side.
She's like, what was that for? I was like, bro, you almost
stepped in a pile of shit. She was like, oh, I was like
human shit, Piper. She's like, what the fuck, dude?
Just right there on the sidewalk.
That's just a pile of human shit.
Like what the fuck? Literally why?
Please don't do that. So disgusting.

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Gross. Fuck yeah.
And also what was so interestingabout her park?
This woman parking next to me like 2 spots over, was that on
the left side? There was only one other vehicle
but there were so many open spots.
Not so close. I was like, I mean I my spot was

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closer to the street but if you would have just looked you
didn't have to be so close to me.
Why did you do that? That's crazy.
I wonder if she was high. I don't know dude.
It was fucking weird. That is really, and she was a
little bit of a, a thicker lady.That's just crazy.
But yeah, I'm just like, I, I don't what goes through your

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head. You're like, I just got to piss
right now. I'm going to do it right in
front of this vehicle in front of a family fast food joint.
And it's crazy because there I had eaten inside and there were
kids inside most of the wall, asyou know, for most fast food
restaurants like that have windows.
Yeah, along all of the the walls.

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So she's like, Oh well, I'll be between my car and the fence,
I'm OK. I fucking guess.
Maybe she just assumed your vehicle was empty.
I well we did just get the frontwindows tinted, so maybe even
though it's not that dark of a tint.
Oh my gosh. That's either way.
It was just people are wild. Wild.
Yeah. So now you guys have all kind of

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experienced that with me. So thank you.
The burden feels lighter. Trouble bonding?
You're welcome, I think. Yeah.
So do you have? Better things to share than that
story. Not like personal life
necessarily, but I will say likeSid's graduation party was last

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night and that went really well.Piper did the majority of the
planning and I kind of helped her out with some stuff here and
there, but she she wound up thinking me.
She was like, Mom, you taught meso well.
I'd say, Oh my God, she made such a beautiful banner.
She did. She did such a good job.
And I did all the food except for what their dad had ordered

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to be catered. And then we wound up, you know,
as you know, we had you and Jewel come over to help us get
the rest of the decorating deck.We're like, nobody was fucking
helping us. And her dad wanted to host but
apparently not do anything. And so it was like so.
Much money at it. Yeah, it'll sort itself.
So much fucking shit. And it was like, Oh my gosh, at

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one point, like the food that heordered to be catered there was
delivered and I looked at all ofit and there were only two half
full pans of meat. I was like, is there more meat
somewhere? And he was like, no, they said
that was enough for this many people.
And I was like, I don't know howmany parties you guys have

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hosted, but I can tell you rightnow, this is the amount of meat
that I would just feed a family of seven.
Like this is not enough food. And he was like, do you think I
should order more? And I said yes, you should get
two more pans. And he was like, OK, and good
thing because at. The end.
One of them was damn near empty and then the other one was.
Really low, yeah. So it was like there was not a

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lot, so people would have just been eating rice and beans the
whole time. If we did some beans and rice
and beans and rice and beans. But anyways, like, the
decorating was really great. It looks so good.
Sydney was absolutely ecstatic. We, we had such a good time.
We had one room that was set up with just pictures of her from

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like, a little girl all the way up into graduation and like, you
know, trophies that she had won and earned, things she'd made
and created, just medals. It was just really cool.
Yeah, it was. Oh.
My God my one of my favorite little banners that you were
Piper had made had little kid Sydney's faces with a different

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parties hat. Hyper made that.
And Jewel and I were joking about putting those faces on
like the skewers or something sowe could all be Sydney.
They were just so cute. They were cute.
That's funny. I didn't even think about that.
Yeah, if they're a little bigger, just little masks.
For yeah, I was like, that wouldhave been great.

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All right, everybody put them infront of your face.
Sydney's coming funny. Welcome to your party, Syd.
Yeah, it was good though. We had, we had a lot of family
that came from out of town for this, which was really cool.
Unfortunately from our side of the family though, it was just
Jewel, me and you, so you know, whatever.

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Well, you know, when Piper had her graduation party, more of
our family was alive. Well, I mean, that's true.
That is she. She made that.
Observation. Yeah, that's true.
Yeah. I mean, well, no, not really.
Mom's the only one that died since Piper graduated.
Yeah, Grandma and Buddha Belly were already dead.

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Oh, well. And and the other people that
showed up are still alive. So, yeah, Mom's literally the
only person who's died. OK, well, mom counts.
Yeah, Mom does count. But either way, my statement and
hers still accurate. Kind of.
You said people like Mom can be people.
One person. Mom was people, almost people.

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Oh my gosh, whatever. The party was really good.
We had a great time. Band.
Fucking exhausted dude. My.
Feet hurt, my back hurt, my whole body was just sore, but it
was good. I'm just glad all the graduation
stuff is finally over. Dude, same.
But it was, it was real good. It was really good, Yeah.
What a great time. And we got to have Jewel for a
little bit, which was really cool.

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I loved having her down here andgot to anytime that I get it,
just spend with her is fucking awesome.
I'm I'm pretty sure she's my soul mate and yeah, she's my
cousin, but just 'cause you're cousins doesn't mean you can't
be soul mates. Just like love, there's multiple
types of love, there's multiple types of soul mates.
Yep, exactly. Crap, down with your incestual
jokes. Exactly can.
Hear you from here. I know fucking you guys are

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square pound. All of your face glad you guys
projecting right now. That's projecting.
That's for projecting your incestual kinks.
Yikes. Well, Speaking of kinks, let's
jump into the We Got a Lot second installment of.
Exploring sexual flavors. Kings and fetishes.

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I'm excited for this. I really like this series.
I hope you guys are enjoying it.Like we're trying to cover some
shit that you never knew about, or maybe stuff you're too scared
to look into. I will happily ruin my search
history for people, so you're all welcome.
Yeah. Oh, I was, I was looking for
I'm. I misheard something Gavin had

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said earlier today and I thoughthe said something about a butt
plug and I heard Oh my God, clawand butt, butt plug.
And so of course I was like, well, I wonder fucking my search
history up even more than it already is.
And then I I didn't find what I looked for but.

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You find something did arguably worse.
Arguably, I'm glad that I showedPiper because if it wasn't for
her, I would have continued thinking it was a butt plug.
It, in fact, was not a butt plug.
It was a bottle stopper, like a wine.
A wine stopper? Yeah.
Which is funny because the picture literally showed it in a

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bottle of wine. Yeah, but the description
literally said butt plug like I did double T but so the yeah,
the decorative part of the stopper.
Yeah, the part was half of a mouse.
It was the back legs and the tail, the hair and all.
Yeah, like its legs spread apart, like it was stuck in

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there trying to get out. Like it was just really fucking
disturbing it. Was kind of cute.
Weird, but kind of cute. I don't know about cute.
Disturbing. I hope it's sturdy.
Like, Oh yeah, it's got to be pretty strong because those legs
and tail were pretty dainty. Yeah, I was calling it a rat,
but I think it was a mouse. Definitely looked like a mouse

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either way. It was white with little pinky
pink tail. Yeah, I like mice.
I got cute little hands. Yeah, although you can't see his
hands, you can see his little feet.
Sees. Whatever, They're the back
hands. The back of his rear hands
anyway. So this week again, I'm coming
in with a kink and a fetish for y'all and Nikki is going to hit

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us. With just a kink.
Yeah, another nice fat long one.Yeah, pretty ribbed.
You want you want me to go firstbecause I think you went first
last time. I mean, if you want to, I don't
think mine's going to take very long, so whichever.
OK, Yeah, let's go with mine. OK, OK you guys.
So this week I am going to be talking about consensual non

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consent, otherwise otherwise known as C&C, booking you with
your weird fucking sound effects.
You know, things just come out sometimes.
Can't help it. Yeah.
OK, so this week I'm going to betalking to you about consensual
non consent, also known as CNC for short.

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So now CNC or consensual non consent might seem like a bit of
an oxymoron if you're not familiar with the CNC kink.
So with CNC, you've previously consented to the idea of scenes
that you don't expressly consentto.
In those scenes, your partner might take you by force.

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Because of this, some people associate the CNC kink with a
rape cake. However, for sex is only one
type of the CNC kink, as you will learn in this episode of
Exploring Sexual Flavors. Hell yeah, classes in section.
That's right, everybody sit the fuck down and get out your pen
and paper. Pay attention.
Somebody's going to walk around with a ruler.

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Smacking booties, putting peopleover my knee, my knees.
Anyway, please continue, OK? These scenes can involve the top
or dominant person who is using force or coercion and the sub or
bottom person as the quote victim.
Now keep in mind they're not theactual victim is just play.

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Some people know CNC by another name, Ravishment, and this they
might discuss it as like the ravisher and the ravished
person. I kind of like that.
I know. It is kind of nice, huh?
Ravish me, darling. That sounds so.
It's kind of passionate, actually, doesn't it?
Yeah. Yeah.
Sounds hot. Yeah.
I like it. So the difference between

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actually being forced to do something and consensual non
consent is that you agreed to the ACT previously.
So it may be that you've given the blanket consent for these
activities or have temporarily agreed to a CNC kink scene.
In short, CNC is a type of erotic.
Role. Play again it is role play, you

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guys just might be more extreme than other bedroom role-playing
is all. So without that prior consent
though it would just be non consensual or forced.
It wouldn't be CNC. Discussing the future scene also
lets you negotiate boundaries. It might be CNC but some things
may be as hard or soft limit foryou.
So there are a few different types of of CNC role play.

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You have the rape fantasy so a person is being formed forced to
perform sexual acts. Again CNC isn't just rape role
play although it is a common form of the CNC kink.
Then you have somnophilia which is the sexual act of or sexual
acts that happened while one person is asleep.

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Then you have kidnapping someone's abducted and or held
against their will. Then you have blackmail where
the quote victim must do. The blackmailers demand or do as
a blackmailer demands to avoid unpleasant circumstances.
Selling A person is sold for sexual or manual labor against

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their will. And then you have hypnosis.
A person is hypnotized and used for erotic purposes.
I have. OK, I haven't heard of that
before. I'm like OK some people even
consider 24/7 or total power exchange, also known as TPE
relationships as a form of consensual non consent because
the sub slash slave gives consent before handing over

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control of potentially every single part of their life to
their partner. So I have heard of that.
OK, so some people might be asking is CNC role play
unethical? There are some people who are
staunchly opposed to CNC, and some of the main criticisms of
CNC are it makes light of actualtrauma, including sexual

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assault. It's too easy to overstep
boundaries and cause real trauma.
Submissives cannot leave CNC relationships and consensual non
consent is usually not considered legal, so one partner
could face serious consequences if the other is harmed during
it. These critiques all point out
how consensual non consent can be risky.

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But as with all BDSM, all BDSM is risky.
It's all a risk that you're taking, which is why it is
important to have framework and safe words and things in place
and to be doing this with somebody that you trust
implicitly, especially somethingrisky like.
This, yeah, this is where communication very, very crystal

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clear boundaries, safe words. Are known and respected like
that goes into being with someone that you absolutely
trust and respects all of those.Exactly.
And because BDSM can be risky, especially with CNC, that's why
a lot of people will abide what's known as abide by what's

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known as the RAC framework, which stands for Risk Aware
Consensual Kink. OK.
So there's actually like, and you guys can Google that if you
just Google RAC framework in relation to, you know, BDSM and
you can read more about what that actually entails and go
into that if you'd like. With BDSM, you shouldn't enter

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into any scene without recognizing risk, using safe
words, and taking other safety precautions, which we include
before we get into any CNC examples, Show that you're risk
aware. And because it's one of the
riskier kinks, it falls under the umbrella of edge play with
activities such as needles, suspension, and knife play.
And just to be clear, edge play is completely different from

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edging your partner when they are close to orgasm.
Those are not the same thing. Edge play and edging?
Not the same thing, completely different.
Finally, objections to this kinkare based on the fact that some
people have experienced trauma. We have switch roles.
Crickets. Fucking hell, just fucking

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buffer something wrong. With my brain right now.
Final shoes, sorry, continue. Finally, objections to this kink
based on the fact that some people have experienced trauma
ignores 2 crucial points. One being that some people use
CNC to process the trauma that they have been through.

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The 2nd is that this is a type of play.
It is not the real thing. Communication is key, like
Samara said earlier. And this goes with really just
any sexual act, right? Communication is important in in
sex and consent is important in sex.
But with kinks like this, where there is an inherent risk,
communication is very, very important.

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Absolutely. That isn't, that's something
that to go back to the processing trauma thing, that's
something that really doesn't get discussed very often.
But you know, I wonder if you could consider that immersive
therapy, even though it's not like obviously done by a
professional, but a form of likeat home immersive therapy.

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That is something that people say.
So I'll I'll actually cover thata little bit later.
Excellent. Perfect.
OK. OK, so communication is key.
This is also the time to choose whether you want to use a safe
word or not. Although you may want to forgo
using a safe word because it doesn't feel it's real, we still
encourage you to use a safe wordbecause you never know.
Like once you're in the act of it, you might react differently

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than you anticipated, you know, So especially if you've had some
past trauma or even if you haven't, you just don't know
until you've gone through that. It could trigger you in some
kind of way. So it's just, it's just a safety
precaution. Just have a safe word backups.
And that hurts to just be prepared.
Now during CNC scenes, you may say no or stop because you're

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playing along. So you need a safe word that is
not no or stop. It needs to be something
completely different that isn't going to be a part of your CNC.
Like it's not something that you're going to be using in your
role play. So Banana, you know, or
pineapple or red or whatever, just something that you know
when that is her that means no for real stop like I, you know.

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So when it comes to CNC, you canexplicitly discuss activities
that may not come up in more routine play.
So this might include choking during sex, wearing condoms or
using dental dams, slapping the.Fuck is a dental dam?
It goes across your mouth. It's basically like a condom for
your mouth if you're giving cunnilingus.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, Oh yeah. Got it.

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Punching along with spanking andpaddling is 1 type of impact
play. Spitting painful restraints such
as twisting an arm around the back, tearing clothing, using
Lube, biting, etcetera. The list goes on and on.
So think of all those things that you're OK with and not OK
with and create your your no, your yes and no list.

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Yeah, that's. Kind of a call back to the first
part with the breeding. Yep, sitting down and making a
list. Yep, exactly.
Have your list of yes's and Nos.Like where are your limits now?
Your conversations can delve into what you feel comfortable
with, what you're aroused by, and what you've already agreed
agreed to beforehand. For example, slapping might be

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OK, but punching isn't. Your right arm might be free for
twisting, but your left might berecovering from an injury.
Cheap panties are fair play to be torn while more expensive
lingerie is off limits to destroy.
I fucking feel that. Absolutely.
This shit's expensive, bro. Yeah.
This one is just for looks, Kate.
Yeah, we don't damage this one. Yeah, I've always wanted someone

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to like, RIP my shirt open, but I'm like, don't do it on a shirt
that I like unless, you know, a seamstress or you can sew
buttons back on or you're replacing it, you know, exact
the same one. Exactly.
Oh my gosh, I would be pissed 'cause I have like, you know,
some pieces of clothing where I'm like, I don't want them
destroyed. That would fucking make me mad.

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And it would. Take me right out of the.
Mood, right? It might actually kill the mood
where I'm just like what the fuck is wrong with you?
Rude. For real.
Let me find some of yours and break it.
At least do my best. I just imagine myself trying to
tear a guy's shirt and struggling.
Tear it for me. I'm mad.
Exactly. Oh my.

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Gosh, oh jeez. Similarly, you might want to
avoid certain words that you find to be a major turn off, or
erogenous zones or activities that might actually trigger you.
So it's a good idea to discuss whether and where you're OK with
your partner leaving marks such as scratches, bites, bruises,
etcetera, and any implements that are off limits.

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Practical concerns such as the beginning and the end of the
scene are especially important with CNC.
Entering a room, donning a costume, or using a certain word
can all begin the scene. Obviously a safe word can end
it, but what will mark the end of the session if no one uses a
safe word? So that's something to think
about too. Like when does this end?

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It's a really good point. And Speaking of marks, I fucking
hate hickeys so that would always be a no for me.
Like I, I had a guy give me a Hickey like some months back and
I was like what the fuck is wrong with you?
He gave me a Hickey on my neck. I'm like, are we in high school
right now? No, I'm you can do it where I
can cover it. Sure, but my neck?

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Absolutely not. Are you kidding me?
I just don't like the way they look I.
Don't know they look trashy. They do, they look so fucking
trashy I hate them. Are we back in high school for
real? Yeah, and I was like, you cannot
fucking give me hickeys again. No, that's something that you
have to get explicit permission from me to to do.
Oh, I got so mad at him because the next time that we hooked up,

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he started doing the same thing and I was like, whoa, stop.
I said you can't give me a fucking Hickey.
Because I realized I was like, oh, it's been a while since I'd
had a Hickey. So I was like, holy shit, that
actually gave me a Hickey. So then the next time, easy.
Yeah. So then the next time, you know,
that he started to do that, I freaking pushed him away.
I was like, no, I was like, I'm not giving you a Hickey.
I don't fucking care. No, I don't trust you.

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You don't get to do that. You should have asked first.
Like no, no, you don't even get the chance.
Exactly, that should just. Anyways.
Sidebar on that fucking hate hickeys.
Yeah, even with prior consent, you need to fully trust your
partner in these scenes. You might physically resist and
could get her if your partner isn't careful.
And if you decide not to use a safe word, it's even more

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important that your partner knows how far they can go
without causing you real harm, whether it's physical, mental or
emotional. This is why it is so important
that when you play out kinks androle plays like this, where the
potential for harm is there to be with somebody that you trust
and somebody who knows you so they can, you know, also read
you. You know what I mean?
Because the other thing is too is maybe you get into this and

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you're triggered and you just freeze up and completely forget
your safe word. It's important that your partner
recognizes that change in you. Yeah, if you're unable to.
Yeah, like they can see that sayyour safe word that they know.
OK, you didn't say it, but I this is a.
Real reaction, yeah, or at leastlike stop and check in with you

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yeah, yeah. Like, are you OK?
You know, And just so it's just it's very important to to do
this with somebody that you trust and some, and preferably
somebody who knows you well enough to recognize a change in
you that isn't normal. Yeah, you're here.
So the risks of the CNC kink could be cuts, abrasions,
chafing, bruises, burns, dehydration, exhaustion and even

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broken bones. Oh, yeah.
These are all real risks of consensual non consent, which
can get much more intense than just rough sex.
These injuries can impact both people, especially if there's a
physical struggle and individualhealth.
Health concerns can also play animportant role as well.
So you think about like low blood sugar or blood pressure,

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and that can disrupt the scene or even give you a scare.
The risk of CNC can go well beyond the physical though, so a
person's trust or safety might be jeopardized.
It's possible that you'll look at your partner differently
after ACNC scene, even if it wasyour idea.
Intense scenes can also bring uptraumatic memories.
These activities could trigger anxiety or panic attacks.

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You might freeze or forget your safe word, like I mentioned
before, which makes a trustworthy partner that much
more important. And if you're the one who
ravished someone else, then you might have a, you might have
negative feelings about how you could have done that to somebody
that you care about. You know, So that could be
really hard to kind of come to terms with as well.

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The best way to minimize these risks?
You guessed it, communication. Plan out every single detail of
your first CNC scene and play itout without deviating from it at
all. Think of it like scripting a
movie before you act it out, andthen that's a good way just to
see if there's some that might trigger you.
See if. There's any kinks or speed bumps

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or you know. Yeah, maybe you have a limit
that you didn't really, you know, maybe you had like a, a
hard limit that you didn't even realize.
Yeah, thought you'd be into something and no, that was a
little too much. Yep, exactly.
Dial it down on a notch. However, you know, if you get
more comfortable or as you get more comfortable with CNC, you
won't have to figure out all those details.
But by doing so the first time, it gives you a chance to prepare

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just in case your mind or body response responds in unexpected
ways, freezing up and or having like a, a trauma response or
being triggered in some way thatyou weren't expecting.
And that goes, that goes for thethe dominant and the submissive.
You know, the dominant could just as easily be triggered.
It's not just a submissive. I mean, both people are taking a

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lot of trust, especially if thisis in like a heterosexual
relationship. Men are taking a huge risk with
CNC because this is a role play.But you have to have that
ultimate trust in your partner and have all that consent and
discussions and every all those boundaries kind of laid out
because you are rope, especiallyif you're doing kind of a rate
play that can be kind of sketch for a dude.

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Yeah, absolutely. You know, So that's, that's
something to take into account as well.
And there are sites you guys caneven just Google.
There are sites where people have actually created contracts
for these kind of kinks where you have it all laid out and
people are, you know, and you, each person signs it and it and
is basically saying these are the things that we're OK with.

(31:05):
We, you know, and then just basically stating in clear black
and white that these things wereconsented to and we were OK with
these things and it just. That's smart.
It's just another precaution. Backup safety net.
Exactly. And you know, and that might be
something that you do with somebody that maybe you don't
feel 100%. What's the word I want to say

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not safely with, because that's,that's not what I mean.
I mean, maybe you want to do this with somebody where you
don't know them really, really well.
So maybe it's not like a partneryou've been with for years, you
know, but you've been together. Someone new on some kind of
level in there on the new personspectrum.
But you can come across this also if one of the partners is

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more experienced in this kind ofplay and this is just their way,
like they're not going to participate in this kind of play
unless there's a contract in place.
Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't hold it
against somebody if especially with this kind of role-playing
and sexual behavior or activity,whatever.
Like honestly, I would, I would feel a little safer if someone

(32:11):
presented that to me. Like, I mean, we all saw safety
net, you know? We all saw 50 Shades of grey.
Oh my. God, Well, there is.
I've never read it either. There is a.
Scene in 50 Shades. Of Grey for those of you who
haven't watched it because apparently I thought everybody
watched it, but I guess that's just the kinkier crazy people.
But there is a scene in there where Christian, the main male

(32:32):
character, basically sets up a meeting with Anna, the main
female character. And they are meeting like a
business deal. And he's like prepared a whole
contract for her. And they sit and they go through
and they're going through reading the contract.
And she's like, I'm not OK with this.
I'm OK with that. I'm not OK with this, I'm OK

(32:53):
with that. And they just go through the
entire contract. And then once that's kind of
signed and done, then they can proceed with, you know,
Christians kinks and BDSM and stuff like that, that he's into
because she she's very, very newto all of it.
So it's, you know, she knows nothing about any of this.
Yeah. And so she's kind of thrown off
by the contract who's like, I promised you the contract is in

(33:13):
place to protect you. Yeah.
You know, and it is but yeah, absolutely.
But yeah. So anyway, so that's that's
something else that you guys could look at.
And and it might sound like, gosh, this is so much to do just
for like some a kink, but it's so much more than that.
Yeah. And it's not like you're
dangerous on somebody, that it can be highly dangerous.
It could change lives. Yeah.

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If so, you know, if it's not boundaries not respected.
Exactly. So another question you might be
asking yourself is why does somebody like.
Giving up control like that. So like many sexual kinks and
activities, it's hard to say whysomebody might be into the idea.
And it's likely impossible to find a reason that applies to

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everybody, right? We're all different.
Instead, we can. Only suggest a few reasons why
someone might be drawn to the CNC kink and here they are.
One could be primal sex. Consensual non consent is one
way to explore your more primal side.
A dominant partner can feel powerful, while the partner

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giving up control may enjoy having attention lavished on
them. Another one, you get to give up
control for those who find some sort of release by giving up
control. One reason why some people
identify as Subs. Consensual non consent might
just be the ultimate form of giving up control because
someone takes it from you. Another one, it helps to build

(34:39):
trust. Now that one you guys might be
like how the fuck? But we can definitely see.
That yeah, consensual non consent can actually strengthen
your BDSM or kinky relationship because of the amount of trust
that it requires, so it makes sense.
Absolutely. I agree sexual blame avoidance.

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Some submissives have found thatthe CNC kink helps them push
past boundaries because they're quote forced or, you know, not
forced, but pretending, Yeah, air quotes, air quotes to do
things that they wouldn't normally or ordinarily agree to.
And researchers actually call this sexual blame avoidance.

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Another one, and Samara brought this up earlier, is to work
through trauma. Others find CNC helps them to
work through different past traumas.
It can be therapeutic. It's a Safeway to work through
dark thoughts, feelings, sexual fannies, fantasies, and
experiences. Although it can be therapeutic
in many ways, BDSM is not therapy, and it's not a
replacement for therapy with a licensed professional.

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However, that doesn't mean that you need to be in a dark
experience or have a dark past to be interested in CNC.
You don't even need to be into BDSM to enjoy the elements of
CNC. Rape enforced sex fantasies are
incredibly common, according to a study by Justin Lemiller, a
leading expert on human sexuality and the author of the

(36:08):
blog Sex and Psychology and the book Tell Me What You Want, the
Science of Sexual Desire and HowIt Can Help You Improve Your Sex
Life, which was published in 2020.
He can. Yeah, He conducted the largest
and most comprehensive scientific study of Americans
sexual fantasies ever undertaken.
Oh, damn. It was a two year study
involving more than 4000 Americans from all walks of

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life. So the Miller found that 61% of
women have ever fantasized aboutbeing taken by force, and 24% of
women often had that type of fantasy.
Now there's some pretty high. Percentages for what we're
talking about it, it really is. However this isn't limited to
just women. When it comes to men, 54% of men

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have had a similar fantasy and 68% of non binary people have
also had such fantasies of beingtaken by force.
OK, Yep, I. Was wondering on what side yeah
of it so so. 61% of women have fantasized about being taken by
force. 54% of men and 68% of nonbinary people have all

(37:18):
fantasized of being. I'm kind of surprised by the.
Men being so high, that's over fucking half.
That's over 2000 people that he surveyed.
Yeah, pretty interesting. That's very interesting.
You said it's. A it's a book.
What was it called? So it's called Tell me what you
want the science of sexual desire and how it can help you

(37:40):
improve your sex life. I'll put a link in it in the
show notes and then we'll also put a picture of it in our
Instagram. But the book covers this study
and all the details of it, so you can look at it with that.
OK, so as you can see, well, noteveryone wants to live out every
fantasy. Some people are bound to want to
experiment and bring things out,out of the realm of imagination.

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Imagination. Wow.
Well. You don't need, we're keeping
it. While you don't need to play any
roles in your consensual non consent scene, role-playing can
add to the experience. And of course, just like last
time, I have a few ideas for youon how you can get started.
Hell yeah. One way to get the most out.

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Of these roles is to play them in fantasy or sci-fi settings.
Fuck yeah, I knew you'd like that, nerd Lesker.
Yeah, now this. I feel like this.
Is just like a throwback to episode 5 when we were going
over the crazy sex toys and you had the weird avipositor.
Yes, yes, the glorp. Yes, the glorp classic.

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Glorp so the. First scene alien abduction?
Hell yeah, put on some spaceship.
Sounds for ambiance exactly well, and this is totally.
What the one review that you read this is what the boyfriend
and girlfriend were doing? Yeah, absolutely, 100%.
This is absolutely it was AC andC.
Scene. It was an alien abduction, yeah.

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And so if you haven't listened to it.
Check it out, you can hear the whole thing exactly.
Episode 5. So alien abduction aliens might
not really abduct people to analprobe them, but that doesn't
have to stop you and your partner from playing out a
similar scene. So grab a bright light, a cold
surface, your favorite restraints, and a butt plug to
make your sci-fi fantasies or nightmares come true.

(39:32):
If you grab a tentacle if you want, yeah.
If you don't have a butt plug atyour.
Disposal, you can just fall backon anal fingering.
So you remember anything that goes into an orifice needs to
have a handle, correct? Yes, thank you.
That's don't be putting stuff upthere that you don't have a
handle on and you keep somethingon there.
Yes, the entire time. Exactly.

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You need to be able to. Retrieve it?
Yeah, easily otherwise. Promise you want to avoid going
to the. Emergency from that emergency
room for that. That seems like it would be
horribly embarrassing. Yeah, so.
It might not hurt you physically, it could very
likely, but it's also going to hurt you emotionally.
So right, you've been warned. Where's that?
Ego. Hell, you could even get the.

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Glorp and and use the glorp if you wanted to in this Yeah and
you know, air quote impregnate your partner with alien eggs.
Absolutely. You want the know.
How episode 5, that's where all that information is, right?
It all got broken down for you in.
Episode 5. You're welcome.
I know you didn't even know you were prepping.
Us for this. All right.

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Another scene is you're taken bya spouse in this scene.
Quote. Not tonight, honey.
Isn't a good enough answer. One partner takes the other,
perhaps interrupting them as they are working in the kitchen.
Yeah. Oh, I have a headache.
Don't care. That's nice.
I'll fuck it out of you. A pretend fight.
Fighting can flood your body with adrenaline and arouse your

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body in a way that makes you sexually aroused.
It's one reason why angry sex inmaking up after a fight is so
satisfying. But you don't have to wait for a
fight to start. If you start one yourself with
CNC it can get it can even get physical before it turns sexual.
So you know again, clear discussions, boundaries, limits
all set beforehand. So it's whatever you 2 are

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comfortable with is what needs to be happening.
Nothing outside of that. I I liked what you said.
About having like a start word, yeah.
Something. As soon as you hear that, then
it's like. OK, it's happening.
We're entering into a CNC role play saying Yep, yeah, it's a
nice indicator so there's not any confusion or especially with

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like a fight. Yeah, OK, this isn't a real.
Fight. We've transitioned into
something. Yeah.
And with that, you could just have like, a phrase, right?
Like you could have a phrase that's like the trigger.
You're like, oh, OK, this is what's happening.
Yeah. Which would be more fluid than
just having a single word havinglike, an actual phrase.
Yeah. I feel like with this, though,

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because, you know, I hear this all the time that people talk
about like, angry sex or, you know, I want to fight with them
just because the sex is so good afterwards.
I have never once been in a fight with my partner and then
wanted to fuck them. I'm like, I wanted to fucking
punch him. Yeah, I've never been like, oh,
I'm. So mad at you.
Come here, I'm going to fuck your brains out.
I'm like, no, get the fuck away from me.

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Don't even think about touching me.
Yeah. Also to clarify.
I've never actually punched anybody and while I was in a
relationship, OK. I've only ever punched one
person. Yeah, I just deserved it.
I just feel. Like, I don't know, I, I don't
know. I part of me.
I'm like a little bit jealous. I'm like, why wouldn't, what is
that like? What's angry sex like?
But when I'm angry at you, I don't want to have sex with you.

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Yeah, maybe that's something that.
If you ever found a, a partner that, you know, you guys had
that kind of discussion and theywere into it, then they could
help kind of walk through and dosome like build up and have some
guidance to see yeah, how that would.
Yeah. To kind of.
Brainstorm on what would what would work, but not take it so

(43:08):
far that you're actually pissed off.
Yeah, exactly. Maybe like irritated, you know,
start with a a slightly lesser intensity of an emotion 'cause I
can see how that would be hot. I've just never been like, my
anger and sexuality are not intertwined like that.

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Yeah, so maybe there'd. Be, I mean, maybe you're not
into it at all and it's not something that would work for
you, but maybe there is something in there right before
you're actually entering into anger.
That's more of a, a Gray area, you know, being really irritated
or annoyed. You know, maybe that would be a,

(43:49):
a stepping stone. Maybe that's as far as you could
go before, you know, it just went straight into anger.
Yeah, that makes sense. Actually, that's a pretty good
point. So for you, I would say that you
would need someone who has experience with that,
specifically with angry sex. Yeah.
In in in this role-playing. And everything to help make

(44:11):
guidelines and yeah, like maybe I find somebody who actually
does love, like make up sex or angry sex.
It's like, OK, well, how, how dowe do that?
Because I've never wanted, you know, and yeah, because it
sounds like you're interested init.
So that opens. The door to trying to figure out
if there is something there thatcould work for both of you.
Yeah, that makes sense. Good.
Point All right, another scene Officer and citizen.

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These roles can be easily adapted for a CNC king.
For example, you could have one partner play an officer who
pulls over a driver and can coerce sexual favors to avoid a
ticket, and someone who's already in cuffs has no choice
in the matter. Or you can switch things up by
having the victim resist forcingthe officer to tie them up.

(44:55):
I mean, I could see how like we hide.
I do like a man in uniform. I feel like a lot of people do.
OK, another example burglar witha homeowner.
This one is a classic. Someone breaks in, ties the
homeowner to the chair, or maybethey slip between the sheets
pretending to be a spouse or a partner coming home late from

(45:17):
work. This is a particularly hot fem
femdom idea where the burglar isa female switching it up.
Yeah. I like it like it.
Sleeping Beauty. This is a classic fairy tale
which is a form of CNC if you think about it in your scene, it
can be a bit more risque with the Prince and or Princess or

(45:41):
someone with more devious intentions waking someone up
with a lot more than just a kisson the lips.
Because yeah, you think. About that like Sleeping Beauty.
Totally is. Like, yeah, but you can also
subvert it by having the sleeping partner wake up in the
morning as their partner steps up and turns the tables.
Boss and employee here. You have another classic role

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that works well. I was going to say.
If you want that raise. You'll have to get on your knees
and praise this CNC scenario. Also adds the risk of getting
caught. Doctor and patient.
Another classic. Yes, I've had a couple doctors

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all like Oh my God can we do something?
Does this store have a lock on? It right you want to take your
pants off while you examine me. I mean what?
If you're a fan of CNC and. Medical play.
Look no further than this idea. When the patient is half naked
in a hospital gown, they're in avulnerable position.

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This only intensifies if someone's got their foot in
stirrups or is strapped down andcannot stop what's happening.
In fact, the doctor might be forced to restrain someone who
won't cooperate and subject the patient to unusual treatment
such as spanking your man or other impact play.
Kidnapper and the victim. These roles are the perfect

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combination of physical resistance, bondage, surprise,
and control, all things that make for a great CNC scenario.
Plus you can prolong the hostagesituation for a more intense
scene. Mugger and Walker.
What would be a normal theft turns into something else when
the mugger can't resist themselves.
Slave auction. Oh well, that's.

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Not expecting that. Yeah, this.
Works best if you've got a few kinky friends who will play
along. Showing someone off as chattel
can play into a humiliation kink.
Chattel. Mm hmm OK you could play owner
of an actual animal AKA pony play where props such as bits,
crops and leashes work really well.

(47:54):
Boy, I've seen a lot of those. Kind of.
Videos, let me tell you, yeah. After the auction, your partner
is handed over to someone else, perhaps a stranger, at least to
their knowledge, resisted affections.
One person goes in for a kiss while the other partners partner
tries to duck away, frustrated, not taking no for an answer.
The rejected suitor takes what they want.

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Anyway, when you're playing thisrole, you might argue that one
person was a tease. Now you guys can see why these
could be triggering and why people would have a problem with
these. Because these are actually a lot
of scenarios that women have to battle constantly because of men
who think they are entitled to women just because of what
they're wearing or how they lookor because of the fact that

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they're a woman and they're a man.
Yeah. That again, I just want to
reiterate, you know, some of these can be triggering.
And not all of these scenes are for everybody, but some of these
scenes people are into. And if there is consent and
clear boundaries and communication, these can be very
fun. OK?
Don't fucking diss people just because of things that they want
to try. Exactly.

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It's. All kinks and fetishes are a
case by case, individual by individual kind of scenario.
Yeah, exactly. You can't let them lump
everybody in that's into these different kinks and fetishes,
into one group because there's so many different levels.
And there really are. There are.

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There's different levels, yeah. There's different levels of even
C&C, you know, where it could bepretty mild up to pretty
elaborate, you know? So it just really depends on the
person. And we encourage you guys, if
you do have a partner who is into any kind of kinks or
fetishes, to just be open about it.
Try to control your facial features and reactions and just
go in with an open mind because clearly they trust you enough to

(49:41):
be vulnerable with you about this.
Especially for this. This would not.
This would be a tough one. I mean, even if like say I was.
Bringing it up to Gavin like that would be hard, even though
I absolutely trust him that it'sjust so it makes you so
vulnerable and to open up about something like this, especially

(50:04):
that, especially as a woman. Yeah.
And it's not. Very well.
Known exactly, you know everything that you're talking
about and so it's like the the taboo or the misconceptions
about it would be hard. So you know they're being
vulnerable with you. Respect that exactly.
And just because, and I just want to kind of, you know, kind

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of reiterate on the, the female side of this is this can be
really hard for a woman to bringup to her male partner because
of rape and the stereotypes around it.
And, you know, it could be like,I know for me, like I would
struggle with bringing this up to a partner, even if I really
trusted them. Like even my last partner, like

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I kind of brought it up a littlebit, but I felt I didn't even
know how to do it. Like it was really hard to even
broach the subject because he knows about, you know, like I've
suffered sexual trauma in the past.
And so it just felt weird to saylike I would be into this.
I don't know. I just be open, don't be
judgmental, be supportive. And if it's not something that

(51:08):
you're into, but your partner is, listen to them and just say,
you know, I'm not comfortable with that.
It's not something that I feel like I could do and, and be OK
with. And maybe that's totally fine
too. Yeah, don't feel obligated to
do. Something just because your
partner wants to to do it whether they're don't don't get
'cause. We don't want you to feel like

(51:29):
shit. Afterwards, I mean, that's
asking a lot of the men too, youknow, I was like, yeah, yeah,
absolutely. It just.
A lot of trust. OK so back on track now the
reason that we got into CNC in the 1st place is because I
talked about breeding in the last episode of exploring sexual
flavors and one of the scenarioswith breeding was forced

(51:50):
breathing. So now that you fully understand
consensual non consent and both know how to use a safe word, you
may want to try some of the kinky ideas on how to explore
the forced breeding kink. So you have like the aggressive
guy and this breeding fantasy. The guy is the breeder or the
aggressor trying to breed you. A popular version of this is
when your guy gets physical withyou, pushing you around, pulling

(52:11):
your clothes off, pushing you into bed before getting on top
of you and having his way with you.
All the while he can whisper. He can whisper filthy dirty
things in your ear trying to convince you to have sex without
birth control. Man on top.
Positions like missionary and coital alignment technique are
perfect here as he can use his weight on top of you to pin you
down. Then you have the aggressive

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girl. In this breeding fantasy, the
tables have turned with the female partner being the
aggressor and forcing her guide to breed with her.
She can push him around, RIP hisclothes off, force him into bed.
Cowgirl is a perfect is a perfect position as you can
dominate your man by pinning hisarms above his head and using
your body on top of his to prevent him from escaping so

(52:56):
hot. And now you're getting it all
right, all. Right A.
Couple of ways to enhance your CNC scene.
It can be hard enough to figure out how to put some C&C ideas
into play. For some people.
C&C is all about the actions andno role-playing is necessary.

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But you may still need some prep.
For example, you might need sometools if you want to try out
erotic hypnosis, AKA hypno kink.But fondling a sleeping partner,
or waking someone on the kitchen, or taking Oh my God,
fucking what does that say? My partner sleeps in the
kitchen. I got a dog bed but fondling the

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sleeping. Partner or taking someone on the
kitchen counter relies more on the element of surprise.
So for consensual non consent scenarios that also involve
role-playing, the following tipsmay help nail your role.
No one expects you to have professional acting skills.
OK, but a little effort does go a long way when you're
role-playing. If you want to fully immerse

(54:04):
yourself in AC and C, in AC and C scene, think beyond costumes.
You can start by wearing a different scent so you won't
smell like you normally do. Consider how you can change your
voice. Not just trying, not just using
like a different voice, but changing the words and grammar
that you use or the cadence to make things more believable.
Drafting the script can help youalso prepare for your role.

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Set the scene. Next, consider ways that you can
change the setting. For example, you could drive
your blindfolded partner around for a while before returning to
your home. Or use dark curtains or blankets
to make a room feel more like a basement.
Of course, consensual non consent doesn't need to be super
involved, doesn't need to be like a super involved DIY

(54:46):
project. These are just a few ideas to
get you your creative juices flowing and make it the scene
more immersive. Use props.
Props can really sell your performance in the entire
scenario. You'll probably find some
goodies in your night stand. However, you can grab items from
around the house and repurpose them for the session.
For example, the handle of a spoon can feel like the edge of

(55:07):
a blade to someone who's blindfolded.
Nice. Also I like the idea.
Of a script because the as fun as like role play sounds I would
be so insecure and like embarrassed to try and step into
that so having kind of like an outline or something would be so

(55:31):
helpful uh huh yeah because. It might be hard to, like, come
up with how to act or what to say on the fly.
Yeah, you're like. Dealing with like.
Embarrassment because you're just like, haven't done this
before and you're uncomfortable and you're like, you know, it
just so yeah, having a script is, is a great way to catch.
That's a great idea of a guideline.
Such a great idea. Now, you are going to want to

(55:52):
avoid unwanted attention with CNC because obviously if someone
comes across what looks like forsex or kidnapping, they may call
the police or personally intervene.
OK, so let's keep that in mind. Even if you can explain what
you're doing, the mood will likely be ruined, right?
If somebody thinks that you're fucking being kidnapped and
you're like, no, no, no, I want this.

(56:13):
Don't. Really.
Believe me. No really, I want to go.
As you're blindfolded and tied hand side behind your back,
they're saying under duress they're forced.
So it is best. To keep your kink in private or
in places with others who would understand and wouldn't mind
participating in such activities.

(56:36):
That is why there are things called play parties and
dungeons. I was just going to bring those
up. Yeah.
So those are great places where you could kind of, you know, act
this out, especially if you're wanting something that's a
little bit more public. But you don't want the risk of
somebody intervening with policeor or whatever, thinking that
this is like a real kidnapping or rape or assault or something.

(56:58):
Because that's when it really becomes.
Dangerous for both parties, but especially for any male or male
identifying parties. So, you know, be aware of that
too. Yeah, I I remember hearing a
story a while back and I can't. Remember where I heard it or
from who or what, but it was essentially this couple had

(57:18):
wanted to do a kidnapping, A kidnapping, rape, CNC scene and.
They they were like, OK, this iswhat's.
Going to happen, right I'm goingto I'm going to come grab you
off the street and kidnap you and then take you to my dungeon
or whatever and I'll have my waywith you and whatever OK cool

(57:39):
Sounds great Well, they didn't talk about when this would
happen or where this would happen.
They were just going to have it be a surprise.
It was more authentic. But what they didn't think about
was that it was going to happen in public.
And so he came to kidnap her andhe grabbed her.
Put his. Hand over her mouth picked up
and put her in a van and had hisfriend driving away.

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Well people fucking saw that andimmediately called the police
and we're like license plate. This is what he looks like.
This is where you know it's a big props for not.
Being victim to the bystander effect?
Uh huh. But.
Poor. Planning on this couple?
'S parts, yeah, because, yeah, just.
Can you imagine the conversations?

(58:23):
With the police officers after the fact.
Oh my God, getting them to believe both parties were right
because consenting first. Of all they're going to fucking
chase you down right they're notgoing to be nice they're coming
out with their guns, hands up fucking get out of the vehicle
get down on the ground you know and the whole time you're like
no, no, no, this like she wants this yeah, that's.

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Oh my God. And that can be so dangerous.
Oh my God, we don't even have togo into that.
But Oh yeah, so you guys be. Mindful be aware of attracting
unwanted attention with this. So it's like I said, if you want
something like this, have peoplearound who know what's going on

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and can kind of help with that, you know, So if you have like a
scene like that, I don't even know if this would even work.
But like the first thing that comes to my mind is like if you
have a scene where your boyfriend or spouse or partner
or whatever is going to abduct you, fuck, rent a space out and
fill it. With all of your friends
friends, whatever, pretend like you're at a fucking gallery
showing or something yeah or people from your local BDSM

(59:28):
dungeon or whatever yeah and something like that.
Just don't be the the partygoersor whatever.
So everyone just don't do it in public.
Where? Strangers don't know what the
fuck's happening, truly. That's so terrible anyways.
The horse was me out thinking about oh.
My God, I already know. I was like, what the fuck is
wrong with you guys? Like that was such a terrible
idea. And they realize afterwards

(59:48):
they're like that, that was, that was so fucking bad.
Like a terrible idea. It's like a flashdance but for a
consensual kidnapping. Oh my God, yeah.
Oh God that flash dances are not.
That sexy. So sorry for that comparison,
but you know the like a flash. Mob, is that what you're?

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Thinking about yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah, flash mob.
Flashdance, flash mob, whatever,whatever.
I knew what you were saying, butI was like.
Let me just clarify for everybody, OK?
So anyway, so just remember thatjust because somebody is in a
kinky space doesn't mean that they consent to participate in
somebody else's activity, even if it is only as an onlooker.
So just consent is important foreverybody involved.

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Creativity can also go a long. Way towards keeping your cover.
A threat can keep someone successfully quiet.
A coat slung over an arm can disguise a weapon or a fake one,
as it may be in CN. In a CNC scene spoon, you could
lure your unsuspecting partner into a hotel room with a sexy
text message. Another option is to only play

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out a small portion of the scenein public before then moving to
a more private space. Yeah, I mean.
One really popular one is pretending you don't know each
other and going out to the bar, and then it's already in public,
but you're taking it back to a private place.
Exactly. Yeah.
You're just going to go check. Out the place, have a drink.

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You're not intending to have sexbut then your partner you know
overpowers your whatever. You can have your more intense
CNC scene take place in private.Exactly.
Be prepared as possible. This might mean scoping out a
place where you plan to quote nap your partner or or stocking
your vehicle with all the supplies that you need.
I would suggest being careful onthat also because that could

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come across wrong. So maybe don't speed or do
anything stupid if you have a criminal record or a worn out
just. Let's be smart about this, you
guys, even if you don't have those things.
Yeah, the more. Skillful you are, the less time
you'll spend in the public eye and the more intense the scene
becomes for your partner. However, even if you're playing
in private, you could run into trouble if someone overhears a

(01:01:59):
loud struggle. So if you live like in an
apartment complex or a condo or even if you're doing this in a
hotel room. So just keep those things in
mind of who might hear and want to intervene thinking that they
are helping. Yes, because then it's awkward
for. Everybody involved, so consider
ways to minimize. Noise, including soundproofing
cover noise, using gags to silence yells.

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You can even work a gag into your scene, for example, gagging
someone with a handkerchief or panties, or running rope through
their mouth. Of course, you need to make sure
that your gagged partner can still communicate their safe
word in other ways if they are restricted from speaking
clearly. Don't forget that things can
draw unwanted attention after the fact, including bruises and
other marks, so if you're concerned about that, avoid

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leaving marks entirely, or keep them beneath clothing or in
areas that aren't going to be seen, like the face and limbs.
And finally, to close up CNC. This was a very fast lesson for
the most part, because CNC is so, so much more than even just
this. It's so deep.
It is. That sounded sarcastic.
That wasn't. Sound sarcastic?

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My bad with CNC. You want to finish with
aftercare. It is an essential element for
many BDSM interactions. And aftercare refers to
everything that a person needs to return to equilibrium and out
of the scene and come back to normal.
And they're, you know, they're, they're kind of base level shit.

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That's that's. The.
Case for even just non kinky. Exactly.
It can include anything from cuddles to a Gatorade to
complete silence. So whatever that person is going
to need to kind of just come outof that scene and, and return to
a normal state of mind is, is considered aftercare.
And typically it is on the aggressor, the dominant, the

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attacker, whatever you want to call them, the ravisher, It's
typically on them to be doing that for the sub, the ravished,
the submissive, you know? But something as intense as CNC
aftercare might be even more critical.
Because aftercare is personal and can take so many forms, it's
essential to figure out what aftercare you and your partner

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need. Aftercare for ACNC kink might
look different than your usual aftercare when dealing with the
effects of a sub drop or Dom drop, which is the adrenaline
and the endorphins kind of leaving the body.
So you know, you're worked up with all of that.
And then after that, all that leaves you might be like, what
did I just do to this person or what did I just let them do to
me? So it's very important that you

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were there to hold them and cuddle them, whatever it is that
they need to remember, OK, we were both consensual in this.
We both, we are safe here. So that's just really important
to think about if you didn't know what CNC is before you do
now, so you can decide if it is right for you or breathe a sigh
of relief to know that your interest in CNC play is more

(01:04:50):
common and normal than you mighthave thought.
And if you're interested in thiskink, you can try out ACNC idea
or two from a, you know, from earlier, as long as you keep
safety paramount. Boom, there you go people.
All right, Samara is on to you. I am so excited.
Let's go. What do you?
Got for us all right, so to start.

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Off we have a kink and it is cuckolding, yes.
Another. Pretty popular kink.
It is pretty popular and this is.
Actually one that I would love to know more about.
I know a little bit about it, but not like I know the base
idea of cuckolding. But yeah, so there's actually

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two sides of. Cuckolding, we'll get into it.
OK. I don't dive super deep into it,
but because there's a fetish that I came across that I really
wanted to also cover, but it this will still give you a
better idea of what exactly it is because we all have an idea

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of what it is, but it's a littlebit more than that.
So all right, cool. So cuckold refers specifically
to a male's position within a cuckolding where the man's
partner has sex outside their relationship, while a cut queen
is the woman's position within cook holding where the woman's

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partner has sex outside of theirrelationship.
And then so cut gold. Is the man and his partners
having sex outside the relationship?
And cut Queen is the woman in the relationship but her
partner's having sex outside? Yes.
OK. I did not know that.
I only knew the cuckold part. I thought that applied to male
and women. Male and female.

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That's what I thought too, but no.
OK and then typically the third party is in cuck holding is
referred to as a bull or the bull.
Oh, interesting. Yeah.
And it it, it plays. Off of like animal breeding,
like a stud or things like that,That's the only one I can, the

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only example I can think of a bull or so, yeah.
So it's a it's a playoff. Of that So Cocldry is a term
traditionally used to describe asituation in which a man's
partner engages in sexual activity with another
individual, typically without the man's consent or knowledge,
resulting in the feelings of humiliation or betrayal for the

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man, which in turn is how they become aroused from those
negative feelings. Which is wait, so it's a little
confusing. Yeah.
Wait, so the woman is doing thiswithout the man actually, like
actually knowing and then finding out later and that's
what arouses him? Yes.
So did not know. That historically A cuck or a

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cuckold is defined by a married man, like a in a heterosexual
relationship, a married man having an adulterous wife and
her going outside of the marriage sexually would make him
a cock. And that's where this kink came
from. Interesting because it.

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Yeah, so, OK, so however in modern context, particularly
within consensual non monogamy or CNM, Cookeldry can also refer
to a consensual dynamic where a man derives pleasure from
watching or knowing that his partner is intimate with another
person. OK, this is what.

(01:08:25):
I thought so this OK? This is what I understood it to
be, yes. So to go in a little bit more
depth into the traditional in the modern sides, in the
traditional context, there isn'texplicit consent between all
parties and the male partner mayderive feelings of arousal or
jealousy or submission as the cuckold, as cuckoldry, it can

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manifest in many forms, but mostcommonly through indirect means
like hearing about the encounterafterward, you know, or
discovering their partner and the bull actively engaging in
those sexual activities. So again, non consensual through
all three parties. It can also involve elements of

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fantasy, role play or even voyeurism, depending on the
desires and you know, the agreements of those involved.
Traditionally, the term has beenused in a derogatory sense to
imply that the man is weak or submissive, and it evokes those
the image of a man being humiliated by infidelity.
So in the. Modern.

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Conceptual context. The cuckold may derive the same
feelings as the traditional context, but this arrangement is
typically characterized by communicate, open communication,
and established boundaries and consent between all the parties
involved. That makes sense, everyone.
'S tracking along so far. OK, got it.

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I'm speaking for all of you. Perfect.
I do it for. Him all the time.
So for instance, a couple may agree that the woman can engage
in a sexual encounter with otherpeople while the man observes or
is at least informed about the activities.
This dynamic can also involve elements of a power exchange,
where the cuckold might feel a sense of submissiveness,

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allowing his partner to take thelead and the sexual experiences
with others. So just to clarify the spectrum
again, traditional cuckolding iswithout consent and modern
cuckolding is with consent. Makes sense, I've actually had.
I've actually had a guy who I. Was seen for a little bit.

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Who? That was like a big thing for
him. Like he would always try to
convince me to basically go off with one of his friends while he
could see. He was like, I just want you to
like, go off with one of my friends and go have sex with
them. Like, I don't even want to know

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what you're doing. I just want it to look like
you're leaving me like and make eye eye contact with me as
you're like leaving the room with him.
And I just know that that's whatyou're going to do.
And I either, you know, like sometimes he would say I'd I
want to walk in on you guys fucking or I just want you to
come back kind of hair messed up, you know, clothes rumbled

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away. Words insinuated that I could
tell like you had just had sex or whatever, which is not for
me. That's not anything that I
wanted to participate in, you know, and, and I was nice about
it, obviously, but I was like, that's that's not something that
I I am interested in. So.
But yeah, well, it was communicated about it.
Yeah. But yeah, I mean, it was, it was

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very interesting. I was like, wait, you're
seriously like you OK. I, it was just new to me because
that was like my very first experience.
I was like, what? Because you wouldn't assume
that. Someone would be OK with that,
but you know, yeah, he's like, no, it would fucking.
Absolutely turn me on. Then later I want to fuck the
shit out of you, like see. Yeah.
And yeah, so. So many flavors.

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So many. So so.
Many flavors within flavors. It's layered, it really is
layered. So overall Cacaulturi can span
from feelings of betrayal in nonconsensual scenarios to a
fulfilling kink or erotic lifestyle choice in consensual
settings, highlighting again theimportance of communication in

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consent in all relationship dynamics.
Yes, quick rundown. Cuckoldry is the kink, cuck
holding is the kink actively happening and refers to a
specific dynamic within sexual relationships, either the
cuckold or the cuck queen that derives pleasure or arousal from

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watching or knowing that their partner is engaging in sexual
activities with another person, the bull.
This can occur in various contexts including consensual
non monogamy and BDSM, and encompasses a huge range of
emotional and physiological experiences and psychological
experiences. Got it.

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I even found a source that has asummary of nine different types
of cuckolds. I did revise some of the the
sources descriptions to help just make them a little bit
easier to understand. So one is the ponderer, the
cuckold who wonders about what his significant other could be

(01:13:35):
possibly doing while they're outto the pussy prepper.
OK, A. Cuckold that helps.
Bathe, dress and ready his partner, or I guess their
partner, for an evening with a different lover of theirs.
Interesting 3 observer. Not a peeping Tom or a snooping

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spouse. Rather this cuckold wood likes
to have porn happening right in front of them.
It's similar to voyeurism. There is a show.
That I watch. I can't remember what it was
called or I think it was on Netflix and it was a limited
series. I think it was like 10 episodes.
But one of the characters in there, the wife, she actually

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like that. That was one of her kinks.
So she would always have a womanwho came in to have dinner with
her husband in their home. And she would the wife would sit
back kind of like away from themand would watch them at the
dining room table and watch the woman flirting with her husband
and touching him and then kissing.
And and then basically take it into the bedroom where she would

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then continue to watch them while they had sex with each
other. And that was that was her kink.
She would touch herself while she watched that and that was
that was her thing. So my old man, Yep.
That's there you get up. Yep, Yep, Yep, just Yep, Yep.
So for we have the pussy cleanerwhich I was real tickled by this

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one. Just like the name what?
Is this wait? What was the other one?
The other one was pussy. Prepper pussy prepper no way
pussy cleaner. OK yes, so pussy cleaner.
When the extra sex in the sack is said and done, the cuckold
man starts to lick his partner'sbeginner clean.

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Wow. Yep, so that tongue do be the
napkin. Fucking wild yes, and then we
have like as his comes like drip.
This other man's all of it. He just is licking her pussy
clean. Yep, pussy cleaner. 5 Is the
penis prepper weaving a good byelike the sexual BI bye?

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That's an interesting sentence. So waving goodbye to his
supposed heterosexuality, this cuckold gives a little help to
the cock of the other man, the bull.
OK, penis prepper. Like he would be like what?
Giving him a blowjob, giving hima handjob?
How does he? How is he helping him?
However. OK, six penis pleaser.

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This kind of cuckold sub is out to make the other man's penis
hard like a fluffer so he gives more help.
Oh, OK, so maybe this one's. More the head or hand job?
Yeah, maybe so it. Definitely leaves a lot of room
for interpretation and execution.
Yeah, for sure. 7 is the. Penis pleasurer, there's no

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humiliation to be had. This cuckold flat out desires to
suck and be penetrated. OK, Yeah.
And then? So #8 gay precipice having
crossed the BI boundary, this Cocold might as well admit there's
no need for a woman. Oh shit.

(01:17:00):
So I was actually wrong there's.Only 9 or 8?
So is this like a lavender marriage?
Maybe I've. I love the idea of a lavender
marriage. Sounds great.
So yeah. Sorry, I thought there was 9.
There's actually 8. So you want to tell them what a
lavender marriage? Is in case they don't know
straight woman and a gay. Man get married, cuddle, share a

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life together Yep. And and the straight woman knows
her husband is gay. Yep, yes.
And he has and he has gay relationships.
They don't. They, the husband and wife,
don't have a sexual relationship, but they do
everything else that a married couple would do.
Yep. Houses cars.
All of it. Here it is.
That's what. Whatever.

(01:17:43):
Mm. Hmm.
I love that you guys go woo. Yeah, I feel like.
That would be #8 for sure. Well, that could, I feel like.
#8 could totally be that. Yeah.
Yeah, I see what you're saying. I could definitely see it.
Gay precipice. Gay precipice.
Yeah, I feel like gay precipice.Is AKA lavender marriage and

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lavender relationship? Whatever.
Yeah. So.
I thought those were very interesting because I didn't
even think if there was any other deeper layers me either.
So I. Was really glad that I found.
Found that. Me too man, I learned a lot.
Do you guys learn a lot? I learned a lot.
Hopefully and hopefully it was clear.
Enough that you're not really confused.

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Yeah, I I follow. You can ask questions.
If you want, yeah. All right, And then we have the
fetish, which I was real excitedabout, which is spectrophilia.
Spectrophilia. OK, what is that like?
Spectator. Not like a a specter, like

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you're spectating something, OK?So spectrophilia is a a niche
and an often misunderstood phenomenon that combines
elements of both sexual desire and the supernatural.
OK. Individuals who identify with

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spectrophilia might report experiences where they feel a
presence or engage in sexual activities that they attribute
to a ghost. Oh no.
Yeah, OK. Oh yeah, getting spoopy again in
this bitch, OK. This could range.
From feeling a ghostly caress toclaiming intimate encounters

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during sleep or altered states of consciousness OK in a.
Broader. Context Spectrophilia can
manifest in various ways, including fantasies or dreams
involving spectral figures, or claims of actual sexual
encounters with ghost ghostly entities.

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Individuals who identify with this may find themselves drawn
to the idea. Of intimacy with a non corporeal
being, often exploring themes ofdesires and the unknown.
I just want you guys all to knowthat while.
Samara was telling you all this.She was speaking with a smile on

(01:20:15):
her face. I didn't.
Even realize I was. That's how excited she is about
this, you know? You're welcome.
I mean, it does play. Into your personality.
So it tracks. Yeah, absolutely.
You know so. If you guys are still a little

(01:20:36):
confused, you're not really sureexactly what the words I'm
saying are meaning. A cinematic example of this
would be the 1990 movie Ghost that starred Patrick Swayze and
Demi Moore. Oh my God, that's such a
fucking. Great example.
I did not even think about that.It's old enough that.
He fucking dies and comes back as a ghost and they fuck.

(01:20:58):
Yeah, they do a lot. Yeah, yes, they do.
They even do pottery. They even do pottery.
Famous scene, yeah. So to close this out.
I've. Was it the pottery?
I just like. In my mind thinking about.
That I was like, holy shit, there's an entire movie that is
literally like spectrophilia. I mean, it wasn't.

(01:21:20):
Yeah, that's crazy. In the 90s OK yeah.
Surprise. So.
Here I was like, oh, it's so romantic.
Nah, it's just a fetish. Show a very well known cinematic
fetish. Oh my God, I love that so much.
Sorry. Carry on.

(01:21:41):
Yeah, I thought that was the. Best example.
Beautiful. Yeah, Thank you.
So to close out, I have a handful of people that have come
out and claimed and had interviews about having
spectrophilia experiences. Yes, do tell.
The the first couple are. Not well known but we'll even

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get into some celebrities. Oh shit, OK you're welcome.
We have. I am so sorry if I pronounced
her name wrong. I'll do my best.
Amanda Tag from Northern Ireland.
She married a 300 year old Haitian ghost around 2014.
How do you marry a ghost? They had they had to find

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specific spiritual leaders and then found one that would
perform a ceremony. And she used a medium to have
allegedly this 300 year old Haitian ghosts name is Jack
because you know, so Jack is such a popular Haitian name.
Take it as you will, it's up to you.

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But she had a medium that Jack could speak through so he could
say I do. And they had a little ceremony
with like a candle and, and a ring.
And it's legal. What?
Because especially in Northern Ireland, there's a a big history

(01:23:13):
in folklore with spectrophilia. And, you know, maybe actually
I'll, I'll do a little deep divemore into, into that history.
Yeah, the Northern Ireland history of it.
So that's why she was able to find people that would be
willing to perform this kind of ceremony, because it's already

(01:23:34):
in their history. Nuts.
Oh my God, going back centuries.Oh my God, it's old.
Wow. Yeah.
Pretty wild. The second lady that we've got,
oh, man, Her name, I'm just like, yeah, you, you fucking
would. I'm going to be a little judgy
just on her name. Her name is Amethyst Realm.

(01:23:57):
Oh my God. OK.
You would. You fucking would.
That's what I'm. Saying good Lord.
She's from England and she claims that she has had over 20
spectral lovers throughout her life and she was engaged to one
at the time of her interview. But I I couldn't find the
original interview. I just kept finding articles

(01:24:20):
reporting on that. So I don't actually know when
this happened, but it's like early 2000s, around like 2010,
somewhere in that decade. That is crazy.
Yeah. Over 20.
She allegedly also the the ghostthat she got engaged to, she met
on an airplane and she said thatthey snuck off to the loo and

(01:24:43):
she joined the Mile High Club. Shut the fuck up.
Shut the fuck up. I'm sorry, I am not trying.
To fucking keep shame or fetish shame anybody right now.
But I am struggling right now, yeah.
Now we have a Natasha Blasek who's pretty well known in the

(01:25:05):
paranormal world. She claimed to have had sex with
a ghost twice. We have Bobby Brown.
I mean, I believe. That with her, I mean, if she's
like works in the paranormal, paranormal world, maybe
something she got an. Attachment.
Something followed her home, youknow.
So we have. Now Bobby Brown, his was the

(01:25:28):
most Bobby Brown isn't Whitney. Houston's husband, the Bobby
Brown. Oh fuck.
Well, he. Was high a lot, so who knows?
I mean, he was notoriously high,he stated.
In this particular wait, did he have sex with Whitney?
Dude between the drugs and her being a white lady, I mean who

(01:25:51):
knows. So he stated in this interview
that this was while he was going.
He had a sober stint. Of course, it had to be when he
was sober because he knew nobodywas going to believe him.
Yeah. So he describes his bedroom.

(01:26:11):
He's like, I was in bed. My ceiling is mirrored.
You know, I always sleep nude. And he stated that he woke up in
bed with a sensation of a woman on top of him.
He looked up and saw this woman in white on top of him.
So what I I took from this was like looking down at his crotch.

(01:26:34):
He didn't see anything, but looking in the mirror is when he
saw saw. That's what I that's how I kind.
Of took it, yeah. OK, cool.
We're all on the same page. He went as far as saying in that
interview that he could feel himself inside of the ghost
woman. Uh huh.
OK. And then?
She was suddenly. Gone and he didn't get it.

(01:26:55):
Really funny. He was left horny and scared.
Still aroused and pretty. Freaked out and she's like, I
think he actually said you were terrified you weren't supposed
to wake up during this. Yeah, I'm like, did you just nod
off? Because he insisted it wasn't a
dream. He was very much awake, wasn't

(01:27:17):
high. So, you know, take it with a
grain of salt, in case you will.Bobby Brown.
And finally, we have the famous Lucy Liu.
Shut up. Yeah.
Actually, before I tell. You about Lucy Liu?
Ke$ha also said that she's had an account and a sexual
encounter with a ghost. Stop.

(01:27:38):
Yeah. Her song Supernatural, I
believe, was inspired by her experience.
Ke$ha and Lucy. Lucy Liu What?
I mean to know about. Liu, It's a different speed than
everybody else. OK, let's go.
I'm dying here. You're killing me.
I need to know so Lucy Liu. Stated that a heavenly spirit

(01:28:02):
came down from God, made love toher, and that it still watches
over her today. She said this must have been
what Mary felt like. What?
Yeah. Yeah.
What? Fucking Lucy Liu.
Yo shit. So slightly different speed from
everybody else. Hers was an Angel.

(01:28:26):
Holy, that is crazy. Holy in her hole, my God.
That is. Wild.
Yeah, so. This is very fucking of it.
I can't. So fucking wild.
I. Love that you had examples.
That there's famous people. I can't, oh, I had to look.

(01:28:46):
I was like, I've absolutely heard, you know, throughout the
years of different people claiming to have experiences
like this. I've heard of stories of people
having these experiences. But having like that, knowing
that it was demonic, I didn't look into that because I feel
like I could have gone down a rabbit hole.
I'll save that for another day. But then I saw Lucy Lewis.

(01:29:09):
I was like, oh, uh huh. OK.
Really. OK.
OK. Yeah.
So, you know, Amanda Amethyst, Natasha, Bobby Ke$ha, Ke$ha.
Lucy. That's crazy.
They've all talked something outof this world.

(01:29:33):
I don't mean to be disrespectful, you know, if
you're into it. I will say that I'm just making
fun of these specific people. Yeah.
Teasing. Yeah.
Poking fun. I am having a hard time.
Swallowing that pill, I'll be real.
Uh huh. But I also don't believe in
ghosts so well that would. Definitely make it harder for
you. Yeah.
So, you know, like I said, like like spirits as far as.

(01:29:55):
Like demonic spirits or heavenlyspirits.
I believe in that. But like ghosts, I don't believe
in ghosts. Yeah, I.
This is my wheelhouse. Like I.
Can. Oh, I already know.
I can spiral out for real, I already know.
Maybe you should. One of these days I should.
I'll put. I'll put that in the.
Notes, Our personal notes. Yeah.

(01:30:15):
Because I do believe that energycan get trapped in places.
It's like when you go into somewhere that, you know, a lot
of bad shits happened and you just, you can just feel it.
I believe in that. Yeah, for sure.
But you know, I'll say that. For another day.
Yeah, that could be fun. That could be fun because.
There's towns that I've gone through where I'm like, oh, we
are not stopping here. My car.
Something breakdown bad. Something is bad here.

(01:30:35):
Yeah, yeah. Oak Ridge.
I get that feeling with Oak Ridge.
Really. That's why when Mom and Glenn
were like, Oh yeah, we might move to please don't, please
don't move anywhere else but there.
Please. Yeah.
You don't like? It interesting so.
That could be cool. OK, well it is the end of the
month, so we are coming at you with your book, Rex.

(01:30:57):
OK, I am. Going to recommend to y'all a
book called Ink Blood Sister Scribe by Emma Tors.
It is 416 pages and this is justa stand alone book.
I really loved it. It is a debut book by Emma Tors.
It is just she beautiful writing.
So it is about two estranged half sisters tasked with

(01:31:20):
guarding their families library of magical books who must work
together to unravel a deadly secret at the heart of their
collection. A tale of familial loyalty and
betrayal, and the pursuit of magic, of power.
For generations, generations, the Kalatu family has guarded a
collection of ancient and rare books.
Books that let a person walk through walls or manipulate the

(01:31:42):
elements. Books of magic that half sisters
Joanna and Esther have been raised to Revere and protect.
All magic comes with a price, though, as we all know, and for
years, the sisters have been separated.
Esther has fled to a remote basein Antarctica to escape the fate
that killed her own mother, and Joanna's isolated herself in
their family home in Vermont, devoting her life to the study

(01:32:05):
of these cherished volumes. But after their But after their
father dies suddenly while reading a book Joanna has never
seen before, the sisters must reunite to preserve their family
legacy. In the process, they'll uncover
a world of magic far bigger and more dangerous than they ever
imagined, and all the secrets their parents kept hidden,
secrets that span centuries, continents, and even other

(01:32:29):
libraries. This book I remember so good.
I remember you telling me about this.
The title didn't spark a memory,but hearing that I was like oh
shit, no, I remember you readingthat and telling me about it.
It is so good sister. You would like this so much.
It is really good and it has to do.
With like magical blood and being able to use your blood to
turn it into a specific kind of ink, which is where the ink

(01:32:52):
blood comes into. But, yeah, it is because one
sister has to have, like, this special kind of magical blood to
create this ink, and then the other sister has a different
kind of magic where she can actually write and make things
happen. So it's just that sounds like a
really good read. It's really good.
And it's 416 pages. It shouldn't take anybody too
long if you're, like, a pretty fast reader, even if you're
like, an average reader. I mean, you could probably kill

(01:33:14):
this book in a month. Yeah.
You know, like, say, average reader in time.
Yeah. So check it out.
Ink Blood Sisters Tribe. Ink Blood Sister Scribe.
There we go. What is shish kebab?
Shish kebabs. All right, So what I've.
Got for you guys for my book. Wreck is actually the God in the

(01:33:34):
Shed duology. The first book is a God in the
Shed and it's the village of Saint Ferdinand.
Has all the trappings of a quietlife.
Farmhouses stretching from 1 Main St. to a small police
precinct, and a few diners and cafes and a grocery store.
Though if an out of the towner stopped in, they would notice

(01:33:56):
one unusual thing. A cemetery, far too large and
much too full for such a small town, lined with the victims of
the Saint Ferdinand Killer. Yes, that's right, it is a
horror recommendation. Of course it is.
Of course it is. Yeah, I remember when you were
reading this book and it soundedreally interesting.
It's still just not what I wouldwant to read, but I was like,

(01:34:18):
what you told me about it. I was like, Yep, that's enough
for me. But it sounds great.
It is. I will say it is gory.
Yeah, it's gory. Not there's.
There's parts, it's gory where it should be.
It's not like over the top. I don't think it is at least.
So the Saint Ferdinand killer, who is, you know, like eluded

(01:34:39):
the police for nearly two decades.
It's not until after Inspector Stephen Crowley, fantastic name,
finally catches the killer that the town discovers an even that
even darker forces are at play. When.
Yeah, baby. When a dark spirit reveals
itself to Venus McKenzie, our protagonist, one of Saint

(01:35:02):
Ferdinand's teenage residents, she learns that this creatures
power has a long history with her town and that these serial
murders merely scratched the service surface of a past
burdened by evil secrets. Yeah, that sounds creepy.
As fuck and like nothing I want to read.

(01:35:23):
At all. Well, if you got.
Listeners are. Into shit like that, yeah, which
I'm sure there are plenty there's Yeah, it's a good.
Genre, man, I feel like there's a lot of people who are into.
Into that genre of horror and paranormal and that is just not
for me. I scare way too easily.
I can't read that shit. Sure, I can read this in the
middle. Of the night.
Oh fuck that. Fuck, I'm reading.

(01:35:46):
I've been reading a a Native American horror anthology
recently and I'll read up to like help me go to sleep, Oh my
God. What is wrong with you?
Everything's dark in the house. The.
Dogs are with me on the bed and I just have my night light on my
book. Fuck that, Fuck that.
Any books like that? I had a book, I think it was
called like The Long Walk Home or The Long Road home or

(01:36:07):
something like that. And it was so intense.
I was, I had to read the book during the day, like, well, well
into the days that I had hours left to forget about it and be
able to go to sleep. Damn.
Yeah, No, I. Can't just check that out.
Thanks. Yeah.
So the second part of the duology is Song of the Sandman.
I'll recommend the duology, but I won't read you any of the the

(01:36:27):
synopsis or give you any anything to do a second book.
Yeah, because you don't want to spoil it.
So the first ones. 450 pages andthe second is 376 total cases.
Yeah, OK, they're not massive byany rate, but they are a good
read. And man, it is really.

(01:36:49):
There's some really cool creative ideas throughout this
book. You, I will say you meet a
painter that makes me think of Stephen King's Rose Matter, my
all time favorite. Stephen King.
Same, Fucking same. Yeah.
So if you've. Read that book, maybe that will

(01:37:11):
give you kind of a hint to. This painter I say that I don't
like horror, but I do love Stephen King.
I've read many of his books, many and Rose Matter is
absolutely hands down my. Yeah, so good, I've read.
A lot of Stephen King. But hands down, I still think

(01:37:32):
about that book. So do I.
You don't. Fucking read that one too.
Yeah, that's a bonus thing. Fucking read.
Yeah, from. Both of us read Rose Matter by
Stephen King. So fucking good.
Oh so good. Well.
Do you want to close this bitch out by doing a quick game?
Let's do it. OK.

(01:37:54):
Hey, we are going. To play bad choices.
And because this was such a longepisode, we are going to make
this a quick and concise game. Yeah, as much as possible,
because it's bad choices and it can be hard to do that.
Yeah, sure can. Anyways, we're each gonna just
do. Three cards.
So Samara, would you like to go first?
Yes, do it as an adult. Have you ever physically pissed

(01:38:17):
your pants? OK, let me just preface.
This. That's a yes.
OK, OK, hear me out. Let me just preface this was.
Say that I have had two children.
Okay. Incontinence in childbirth
causes incontinence in women. OK it is a known fact so fuck

(01:38:40):
all of you. Yes I've peed myself as a grown
ass adult and I've done it doingjumping jacks which I don't do
anymore. Jumping on a tree, I I feel like
it's. Saying like, full piss, not like
yeah, tinkled, tinkled a little bit.
OK, well, if we're going. Full pissed.
I mean, it's saying pissed. Your pants?
No. Does being 18 count as like
fully adult? Yeah, it counts as being fully

(01:39:02):
adult. Based.
All right, well then yes, I also.
Have because I got way too fucking high and didn't realize
how bad I had to pee. No, it's too far away from a
bathroom. My God that's fucking hilarious.
OK. Would you date someone who made
half as much money as you? Yeah, Yeah, yeah.
I don't give a fuck if as long as you can pay your.

(01:39:22):
Bills, why do I give a shit? Yeah, I think as long as you
can. Pay your bills and like
contribute something. I'm not trying to be your
fucking or sugar. Yeah, I mean, you got to share.
In, you know, like going out to eat or, you know, whatever.
Yeah, exactly. I agree.
Absolutely OK, this should be fun.
OK, because this is. Actually a kink I believe.

(01:39:44):
Would you sleep? With an insanely an attractive
person who has had their limbs removed at the elbows and knees.
Insanely attractive. That's really hard.
Mind you, they could still. Have prosthetics too and they
got no. I don't know if I want the
prosthetics. No elbows and knees.

(01:40:06):
Elbows and knees. Insanely attractive.
Kind of touched me with their nubs.
I'd do it. I don't know if I could I.
Mean I'm still picturing like, are you kidding me?
I mean, I don't. Think they're like OK.
Wait, I'm just wrong. Those fucking arms are going to
be. Those biceps bulging, I don't
know, are they? Going to be willing themselves

(01:40:28):
around with their prosthetic hands and forearms.
You can. I feel like they're going to
probably, I don't know. I don't know.
Anyways, whatever. I'm just going to say I'm still
just picturing like Brad Pitt inhis prime because I was like,
insanely attractive for me, and I'm like Brad Pitt in his prime.
Yes, I would. Yeah, I would.
Who'd? You say Idris.

(01:40:48):
Elba, because I know. That you No, no, that's that's a
totally different guy. The what?
He's in a crime show. I think he is another black man.
Oh, you touched more? More Yeah, fuck God damn.
Damn it. Yes, I would.
OK, I just got to. I just got to think of the right

(01:41:09):
insanely attractive man. Insanely attractive.
Not just really. Attractive.
Insanely. Yeah.
Shamar. Moore, Brad.
Pitt, if they were quadriplegic from elbow and knee down, Yeah,
I could make that work. I got you.
All right. Perfect.
All right. We are.
Yeah. OK.
Would you? Sell one of your kidneys for
100. $1000 yes, no problem if I.Knew is going to go to somebody

(01:41:36):
that needed it. There's black market shit, man.
I don't know. OK, let's just say it's
completely legitimate, even though that's not possible
because if it's legitimate, you can't get paid for it.
Exactly. So let's just can't get paid for
donating your fucking plasma, which is still part of your
body, but I digress. Yeah, whatever, I'm still.
Going to do it, yeah. Because regardless, somebody.

(01:41:59):
Still needs it otherwise. I mean the black Mar is a black
market. It's just people that are high
up on the list. Whatever, I'm fine. 100 grand?
Fuck yes I'm doing it. Yeah, probably I won't.
Say 100% yes, but I'm I'm heavily leaning that direction.
I'm good. My kidneys are perfectly
healthy. I'll be fine with one.
Yeah, I did have a drinking. Problem there for a while so and

(01:42:20):
I could maybe they wouldn't evenwant my kidney.
All right, my. Last one is.
Have you ever sharted yourself? Oh my God.
No, and we discussed this in. An earlier episode, I don't
remember what episode. No, I know my body well enough,

(01:42:40):
but I'm like, I'm not going to trust this fart, so I'm not
letting it out. I'm going to go let it out on
the toilet. No, I've never ever sharted
myself. Looking at you specific.
Person we both know. Yes.
Who's that? Many, many times?
Yes. How does that happen?
Something we all wonder indeed. Yes.

(01:43:01):
Have you ever sharted yourself? Oh, I got to think about it.
I don't believe so. OK, No, You had to go back to
the times when you were really. Drunk or high, like contemplate.
Surprisingly, I was never. Worried about it during those
times for shit ping, you know? Yeah, things happen, you know,

(01:43:23):
no, maybe like a a scare, like oh, if I.
Let that fully. Develop definitely would have
been a shark but fucking clampedthat shit closed for real.
Slammed the doors if you will. Yes.
Iron. Iron clad, Yeah.
Shut. No.

(01:43:44):
OK, My last card is would you streak naked up and down your
street for $500? No.
That's not enough. I've met a couple of my.
Neighbors. No, right, they probably.
Call the police on you. Absolutely.
Especially one of them. Yeah, absolutely not.
No, it'd have to be a lot more than $500.

(01:44:08):
I would and. It's because I know my neighbors
that they would be like, what the fuck is Nikki doing?
And then I would just explain that it was a dare.
And they'd be like, oh. You so crazy person.
You're so funny. Yeah.
One neighbor in particular wouldprobably just be like, fuck
yeah, Nikki, let's go here. I'll go with you.

(01:44:29):
Solidarity. Yeah.
Now I live around. I have a There's multiple.
You live in a judgmental neighborhood.
I do, I got a lot of old. People I have, but I also too.
OK, why? Let me rephrase that.
I've got a few crotchety old people, I've got multiple houses

(01:44:49):
that have young children that actively play outside all the
time. OK, well, we're just going to
assume. Those kids are in school, Yeah,
but. No, still no.
Also, it didn't say what time of.
Day. So I could do this at night?
Would you do it if it was at night?
Yeah, I'd say it's like 2:00 in the morning on a Wednesday.

(01:45:09):
Yeah, I'd be more inclined. Yeah, to say yes, I just
automatically went to like daylight.
Yeah, daytime. Everybody's.
Everybody's outside. Like playing and gardening.
I've I've got one guy though. He got Gavin and I were such
Dicks sometimes. But you know, it's part of what
I love about us. We've got 1 old guy that walks

(01:45:30):
the neighborhood. Like good for him getting out,
getting the exercise. He walks like the fucking
Walking Dead. He's slightly leaning forward,
his front arms just dangle there.
They don't move with his stride like cropped steps.
Oh, I have a neighbor. Like slightly.
Slack jawed on. The psych you look like you're 1

(01:45:53):
foot into the grave, like maybe a foot and 1/2 I have it's kind
of frightening. I have a neighbor like.
That a few houses down. And it's so funny because his
wife is fucking hilarious. And she just talked shit to him
the whole time. Like when I was selling my
neighbor's house last year, she wanted to go and see it after
she had moved out. And she was like, oh, here comes

(01:46:13):
my husband and we're watching him.
She's like, he'll be here in like a couple hours at that
fucking pace. And he's like, come on, let's
go. I don't want to make Nikki sit
here wait all day. Oh my God.
And I just got a glimpse. Into my future with Gavin.
It was, yeah, funny. So.
Yeah, anyways, cool. Well I hope you guys learned
something. We are gonna stuff peace out of

(01:46:35):
here because it's been a long episode for y'all and we will
see you again next week. But we are going to record next
week's episode this week becauseas you all know, next Sunday we
are doing fucking 5K mud run, which we're all very ecstatic
about to get ready and dirty. We're going to all have a blast,
and then right after that I'm going to fly out to Tennessee

(01:46:57):
for a week. So she's leaving.
On a jet plane, aw, never. To return again.
No, that's not true. Never coming.
Home. Sorry, Jason, I am.
Coming home, you don't get to keep me home.
Stop it, Samara. Oh my.
Oh God, just Piper and I weepingin your memory.

(01:47:21):
Oh geez. Fucking stop.
Anyways, bye you guys. You know where to find us.
We're going to tell you all thatshit here in a second.
Love you. See you next week.
Love you guys. Peace.
Be sure to follow us on. Instagram at Sauce Boxed and X
at the Sauce Box Pod or shoot usan e-mail at the
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