August 21, 2025 • 61 mins
Welcome back for another episode! How’d y’all like that minisode from last week? Today, Samara drops a bomb about the search for her biological father, Nikki and Samara discuss how many half siblings they have, all the shows Nikki is filling her summer with, and Samara tells us some pretty cool and groundbreaking studies on Schizophrenia. It affects 0.5% of the world population at any given time! (For perspective, that would be like the entire country of Canada having schizophrenia!) Wild. There’s more where that came from this week.
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The game this week is a newbie Samara recently picked up: Movies… and we suck! Nikki got four correct and Samara got two… out of 11 cards each. Humble pie to the face!
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(00:24):
Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of The Sauce
Box. I am your host, Nikki.
And I am Samara Samara. Samara, Oh my gosh.
I will just tell you guys right now I am kind of in a mood and
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did not want to record today andSamara's making me anyways.
Yeah. Also, how'd you guys like?
That mini. So that was fucking fun, wasn't
it? Right, it was it was actually
really fun. I.
Want to do it again? It was.
Fun. I do actually like that shorter
episode. I think that was pretty cool.
We are going to actually start shortening our episodes.
(01:05):
That inspired us a little bit. But also editing is so much
work. You guys like 30 minutes takes
an hour to edit and so do math that's about, you know, 4 hours
of editing. It's intense.
It's. Too much.
It's a. Lot it's supposed to be.
Fun and it feels like a homework.
It does anyway, So we're going to, we're going to try to keep
our episodes down to an hour with the exception of when we
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have guests on, which, you know,last week we had our first
guest. That was a fun little trial run.
But when we do have guests, we'll probably make that not let
them go any more than like an hour and a half because we do
want to be able to really engagewith our guests and let you guys
get to know them and. Yeah, having another person you
know. Yeah, let them.
Let them have some limelight. Exactly.
(01:50):
Yeah. So anyways, so how was?
How was your week? It was good.
It was real good. I so I discovered who my
biological dad is and. Really.
This is news to me. I mean, I suspected, but you
hadn't told me you like. Confirmed it it's it's
confirmed. Oh my God, congratulations.
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I haven't, we have not spoke, but I've talked to his aunt and
then his half sister, OK. And then I ended up reaching out
to his eldest daughter and her and I have been talking for the
last week or so. Huge shock to them, obviously,
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I'm sure I mean it. It silenced our family when we
told them, you know, so pretty sure it's the same thing.
But she's been great. It was kind of rocky at first,
obviously, but it's a little bitweird when you have somebody
come in and be like, yeah, so we're related.
I'm sorry, what? I don't know.
Surprise. Yeah, I'm actually the.
I'm actually the oldest. That's so weird.
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And you're the baby in this family.
No, I'm like, huh, I'm three years older than you.
What that's so? Wild.
Yeah, it's like two or three years.
I'm not exactly sure when she was born, but, but, yeah, we've
been just kind of talking back and forth and I was like, well,
is there anything like, you wanna know about me?
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And she's like, well, yeah, I'vegot 30 years to catch up on.
I was like, oh, yay. Oh, I love that 'cause it
totally could have gone the other way where I was like,
yeah, not interested, not even gonna try and talk to you, go
crazy, go away. And I was really worried about
that 'cause I was like, I just, I didn't know, you know, I'm
just discovering all of this. Yeah, you just found out
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yourself. Even if I've been saying it
since you've been born, it's still, it's just hasn't.
Like it's, it's never bore really any weight with me, you
know, And then you getting me totake the DNA test and then how
that slowly developed, you know,'cause waiting on everyone to
respond to me over ancestry. Has been torture.
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Yeah, 'cause it's been really slow.
Yeah. And then getting into actual
conversations, which is always really awkward.
I hate starting conversations, especially with like, hey,
surprise, we're related, right? Like, how do you bring that up
to somebody? Yeah, multiple times over and
over with different people. Yeah.
But yeah, it's, it's been going good.
(04:22):
I think that's awesome. So has anybody mentioned this to
your biological dad at all? Like, does he cheat it?
How did he react? Just stunned.
Shocked. Had no idea.
Wow. Same with same with their mom.
And so I actually have three other half siblings.
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Wow. One did.
That's crazy. One did pass away.
Same year. Mom died.
Oh, that's sad. Yeah, very sad.
I mean kind of a blessing for their family.
They lost a sibling and gained 1.
That's morbid. You know, it's like a silver
lining. I mean, you know, arguably.
Yeah, yeah. So the one that passed away was
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a son and then the other two aredaughters.
And I've been talking to the eldest, but yeah, it's but he's
not like shutting it down. Like no, that's not possible.
Oh, she's told me and I I had had they asked about mom at all?
Like I've already laid down likewho mom was like all of that was
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kind of in my opening message initial reach out kind of thing
of like, hey, our parents apparently fucked at least once
back around 1991 ish. Yeah, around this time in this
place. Yeah, 30 years ago.
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Wow, took ADNA test. Have you seen any?
Pictures of them, Yeah, they're beautiful.
Yeah. Do you see similarities in
yourself? Not really, but I'm also really
bad with that, like comparing facial features and stuff so
you'll have to. Show me a picture I want to see.
Yeah, we'll hear. We'll, we'll pause.
OK so Samir just showed me pictures of her and her half
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siblings and I so pretty. They are very beautiful and I
it's ridiculous. Definitely see a resemblance
for. Well, I'm.
I'm glad you do. You get to see my face more than
I do, So no. I see.
I see a resemblance for sure. Yeah.
So been doing that, you know it's.
Cool, very exciting. Are you hoping you get to be
able to talk to your bio dad at some point?
(06:35):
Yeah, maybe. Does he seem amenable to it yet
or I don't know. We she really just said that she
had asked her, her parents, unlike her dad, about it.
Yes. I'm not going to call him my
dad, my biological dad. And that they were just really
surprised and we haven't kind ofcircled back to it.
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It's still slow, 'cause I mean, we both work full time and
everything. So it's like we each send like 1
message every couple of days. Are you guys still talking
through Ancestry? No, her and I message through
Facebook. Oh, OK, cool.
Yeah, she's not on there. That's how me and my half sister
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have been messaging also. It's like I have so many half
siblings. That's crazy.
All I have, that's all we both have is half siblings.
Yeah, it's wild. It is.
Very weird. I think I have 6 if you include
the one that passed away. Right, Yeah, yeah.
And I have 6 also. Derek, Josh, what are the and
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odds that we have the same number of half siblings?
Yeah, that's so weird. Oh, it's crazy.
Accidentally a Mormon family. Right.
I don't. Well, because we have each other
and then the boys and then I also have two other half sisters
and a half brother. That's so weird.
What the fuck I? Know that's fucking crazy.
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Reality isn't actually real, it's all.
Of the matrix. It's all zeros and ones, man.
It's so crazy. That's crazy.
So my. Yeah.
What? What have you been up to?
What have you been doing? Nothing as profound as that, but
it's hard to beat, you know? But I did go to a Sam Barbara
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concert this last Friday, which was really good.
If you guys don't know him, lookhim up on Spotify or Apple Music
or wherever you listen to music,whatever, just look him up.
Sam Barbara, he's really talented.
He's got such a soulful voice. He's only like 22 I think.
Oh, I didn't realize he was thatyoung.
He looks that young. He's a fucking baby.
He looks like he's like 18. He looks so young, but he's got
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such a powerful voice. God.
That fucking snap you sent me the.
Dancing in the Sky. Yeah, yeah, that song rips my
heart out, shreds it, stomps on it, sets it on fire.
So his most popular song, if youguys are into kind of a country
folk, bluesy kind of vibe is Indigo.
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It's like one of his most popular, but also he's got like
he's got like straight and narrow man of the year.
And then the song that Samara and I were just talking about
called Dancing in the Sky, whichI believe he wrote about his mom
passing away. It feels like a good Lord.
It and obviously you guys know that our mom passed away and so
like hearing that song is just devastating.
(09:25):
It it but like in a good way. It's like a bittersweet.
But yeah, he that was his encoresong.
So he had left and they came back into that song and I'm
like, standing there in the crowd, like, given the crowd.
Two reasons to cry. Yeah, yeah.
So I was definitely tearing up. And yeah, it was.
Thinking about it was a good concert.
Though it was was. It raining.
(09:45):
It looked like it was kind of raining.
Yeah, so towards the end it was definitely sprinkling, but it
was 70° so it felt kind of good.That's Yeah, it was it was very
mean to rain in the summer is the best when it is warm.
I love the. Crowds crying the skies.
It's the tears. I mean, it's the rain.
It's the tears. There's just so many.
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They're flying off of our faces.So powerful.
Yeah, that was really good. And then Jonah Keegan opened up
for him and he's got some reallygood songs that I love, like God
Needs a Devil Burn, but yeah, he's I really liked.
It was good. And then I made.
Was he the Australian artist? Is that what you said?
No, I was talking about the Teske brothers.
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Oh yeah, no. So I made a couple new friends
while I was there, which was really cool and.
You make friends like a child makes friends.
Do children make friends easily?Yes, I mean, most children.
I don't know. I blame it on the fact that I
had to move around and go to newschools all the time, so I
didn't really have a choice. I could either be a recluse or I
could your love for people. I do love people.
(10:51):
You're just so. Fucking personable sometimes
it's disgusting. Honestly, that's just where I'm
happiest. Like put me in like a massive
crowd of people. She'll come out with four new
friends, yeah. Yeah, it was great.
I I met this this one guy who was really cool.
He was a couple years younger than me.
And then we kept bumping into each other throughout the entire
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show, which was just crazy because we, like, parted ways
and then we'd, like, run into each other and part ways again
and run each other again. And then I met his wife.
And it was just really cool. It was just, yeah.
And she was like working at the event.
And then I met these sisters whoreminded me of US1.
Just definitely very kind of gothy, elder, emo vibe.
And then the other one was more my vibe.
(11:35):
And you look at them and you're like, why are these two people
together? Like they're so polar opposites
And you're like, oh, your sisters makes sense.
OK, I get that. That tracks.
OK, right. You know, And so I hung out with
them for a little while and me and the elder emo sister hit it
off because I was like, I love your outfit.
She had like this kind of clear black mesh top on with like a
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black bra. She was like, stop, I love your
earrings. I love your whole vibe and and
whatever. And then we started talking
about tit size and, you know, asone naturally does exactly, you
know, So it was it was it was good.
And then later on in the night Iran into my OG buddy that I kept
running into and then he gave melike a tour of the McMenamins
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Grand Lodge, which was really fucking cool seeing.
Pictures of that place. There's secret rooms.
He knew where all of them were, so he showed me all the little
secret rooms. And I didn't know they had
secret rooms. That's fucking cool.
Either and now I know how to find them and all the
McMenamins, so I'm very excited.All of them have secret rooms.
All of them. So if there is a floor at a
McMenamins, not the actual floor, but like a level floor
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that is blue, painted blue with stars, there are hidden passages
and secret rooms. That's so fucking cool.
I know it was very cool. It was very cool.
So, you know, just the idea of it was just kind of cool.
The rooms themselves weren't like anything to like.
Doesn't matter. No, but your passages are just
cool of shit. Thank you.
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It could lead to a closet. I don't care.
It was amazing. It was really cool.
And then I got a drink. We went outside, we're
bullshitting. And then this other guy came up,
he was 22, and we started bullshitting with him.
And then he was tripping becausewe were old enough to be his
parents. He was young enough to be our
our child. But yeah, it was, it was great.
We were all just like bullshitting.
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And so, yeah, I was, I had a really amazing time.
And then I wound up staying at areally cool hotel later.
Spur of the moment and then I drove to the coast and went to a
place called Tunnel Beach, whichis I haven't even heard of that
super me either. My my buddy that I made, he told
me is that a secret beach? No, it's not a secret beach, but
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it is really cool. So they carved a tunnel in the,
the side of one of the like cliffsides and you go through
and it's like, it's, it's like arectangular concrete tunnel like
halfway. And then it's just a really
rough tunnel the rest of the waythrough.
Like literally feels like you'rewalking through a cave and you
come out the other side and it'sthis really rocky beach.
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And it's just very beautiful andpretty.
And I was listening to like the waves would come up really high
and it was a very rocky, rocky beach.
There's no sand. And the waves would come up high
up onto the rocks. And then as the waves came down
off of all these round rocks, itwould make this sound almost
like a didgeridoo but like crazyloud.
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Like it sounded like Thunder. The first time it happened I was
like what the fuck is that sound?
It's a collapsing. And then I realized and I was
like, oh dude, it is. It was the coolest fucking
sound. I'll have to play it for you.
It was just so neat. I'll post the video for you guys
too. I mean, 'cause you can hear it
in the video, but the ocean is so loud that it doesn't make the
the water going through the rocks sound very loud.
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But it was really loud. Like it sounded like, you know,
Rolling Thunder. It was just, that was awesome.
Yeah. It was so uncool.
So I did that and then I went, you know, I went home and yeah,
it was, it was good. It was a nice little drive and I
had a really good time. And that sounds like a really
fun weekend. I know I'm very excited and I go
to Matt Rife next weekend, so. I'm just that's up in Bend.
(15:09):
That's in Bend, yeah. And I'm just trying to do all
the things. I'm just trying to do all the
things. Stay as busy as I can, enjoy the
sunshine as much as possible. Because as you guys know, we're
in the Pacific Northwest and we get like we get 3-4 months if
we're lucky of warm weather and sunshine.
And then after that is just overcast and cold and rainy and
(15:30):
wet and. So and I love that and you.
Hate it. I absolutely hate it.
I've been here my whole life. I mean so of you, but I just, I
don't know. I'm over it.
I am a sunshine girl. I need.
I need the ocean and beaches andsunshine and, you know, and
people want to be out and about and doing stuff.
Yeah, nobody really wants to, you know, I mean, don't get me
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wrong, I like to snowboard and ski.
That's fun too. But I'd rather just travel to
that. Yeah, and not live in it all the
time. Yeah, yeah, that's fair.
Yeah. So anyway, So what is?
Making the most out of your summer.
I'm trying. This has been my year of say
yes, do more say yes. So I you know.
I mean, I'm sure our listeners would also agree that you've
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definitely been doing it. You've been doing a lot of shit.
I, I've been, I know people are like, oh, you're staying busy.
I'm like, I'm certainly trying to, certainly trying to.
So anyways, all right, So what are we what are we talking about
this week? Oh, just a little mental
disorder. Mental disorder.
Anyone in particular? Anyone.
(16:33):
Oh, I I talk to anyone as a person.
No, like, that's my bad. Any mental disorder in
particular? Yeah, we're gonna talk about
we're gonna learn a little fun tidbit about schizophrenia.
Oh yay my. Favorite.
That's gonna be the first time that sentence has ever been
uttered. I just think it's so
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fascinating. Schizophrenia has always
fascinated me. It is fascinating and I'm gonna
hit you all with some pretty crazy shit that I didn't even
know about schizophrenia. OK.
Oh, I'm excited. Yeah, it'll it, it's not going
to be super long or anything, but it'll be a a cool rundown.
(17:16):
It's not so much about what schizophrenia is.
I feel like most people have some good idea, pretty good
understanding of what it is, butthis is going to be more of.
Hear voices. People are out to get me.
It's me, bitch. Mera insert.
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Oh my gosh. But it's going to be more of
like kind of breakthroughs in the study of schizophrenia,
things more like that, so. OK.
All right. Well, I'm, I'm ready for this.
Perfect. You guys ready?
Let's go. Let's go going to.
Get on the crazy train. So Stanford Medicine scientists
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have actually been generating this periodic table of sorts for
psychiatric disorders, kind of like literally, if you picture
the periodic table, that's kind of what they're doing with
different disorders to provide abetter understanding of these
conditions and like paving a waytowards better targeted
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treatment. Good.
And they're using two different massive and very public
available databases to do it. So they're like cross
referencing and then smart organizing.
OK, more or less. So one of.
Right. Especially with schizophrenia,
since it's not curable. Yeah, it's just treatable and
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manageable. One flag.
So one of these databases flags genes that are associated with
psychiatric disorders, and then the other shows which cells in
what part of the brain are making the most use of those
genes. Oh.
Very interesting. Fucking cool, right?
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Yeah. And they've implicated that
certain cell types, in particular brain locations in
schizophrenia. So they can they're discovering
what parts of the brain are responsible cells are tied to
schizophrenia. Which I'm like how the fuck do
you even do that? That is crazy.
Just blew my mind. For real, that's intense.
(19:29):
That is so cool. Right.
And that's not even the coolest shit.
That's the tip of the iceberg. Yeah, at least I think so.
I, I nerded out over this a little bit.
So the study detailing the findings are in Nature
Neuroscience and it was published on the 20th of January
this year. Oh, OK, so it's new.
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It is, and it's the first of itskind, very first of its kind.
So the psychiatric disorders actually impact about 1/5 of the
population at any given time. And so the researchers focus
primarily on schizophrenia because of its severity in the
fact that it's not curable and found that .5% of all
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individuals have it. So I did the math.
The world population is 8.2 billion, so .5% of that would be
41 million people. Any.
Schizophrenia at any given. Point.
Any given point. What?
That's a lot of people that. Really.
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I was just like, wow, brain breaks Screech.
Yeah, that's 41 million at any point in time.
That is. Crazy.
Yeah. So the the genes, well, so genes
account for roughly 70 to 80% ofthe variability in people's
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likelihood in developing schizophrenia, which is crazy
high again, 70 to 80. Percent.
So I just was curious about this41 million.
I just wanted to see like what countries have a population like
that? And that would be like the
entire country of Ukraine. Oh, the entire country of
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Morocco? Poland.
Uzbekistan. Wow, that's crazy.
Yeah, it is a lot easier. Maybe that might not be the best
word to say on this. Yemen, Canada.
Yemen, Canada, yeah. So it'd be like the entire
country's population having schizophrenia.
That is. So just to help people like put
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it in perspective. I didn't even think to do a
search like that. I just popped in my mind, so
yeah. Wow.
You're welcome. Can you imagine an entire
country of just people? Every single person just has
schizophrenia? How?
I think all the other countries would be like no weapons.
They cannot have any weapons. Everything's dull, blunted.
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Oh my gosh. That would be so wild.
We just leave them alone, just let them do them.
And just to be clear, those countries I listed off,
Canada's, Canada and Yemen are the ones that have like the
closest to 41 million. All the other ones were like
3842, but those are just all thecountries that were right around
that kind of population. But yeah, anyways.
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Wild and it usually shows up between ages 18 and and like 30.
It's the biggest genetic contributor to any psychiatric
disorder, and it's more reliablydiagnosed than any other
disorder. That makes sense.
But I feel like it's like, I mean, what qualifies you as, you
know, being schizophrenic is, I mean, it's pretty black and
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white, you know what I mean? Yeah.
It's. It's not like I can understand.
It could be a few things. You're like, it's it's it's
pretty obvious if it's schizophrenia, they're pretty
blatant. Yeah.
I'm like, there's not a lot of other mental disorders that have
those, those kind of markers. Thank you.
Yeah. So that's first study that I was
talking about where they're doing the database thing.
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That study's senior author, PhD Laramie Duncan.
She's an assistant professor of psychiatry and behavioral
sciences. She estimates that it'll be
probably another six or seven years before scientists actually
have useful clinical applications for what they're
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doing right now, which makes sense.
Jinx. And then not only that, but
actually being able to use theirstudy with matching patients
even better to more specific therapies.
And there's even other, I had the tab open and then I actually
closed it and I couldn't find itagain in my history.
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But there's there's another group of scientists that are
working on cognitive therapies. OK.
Specifically targeted towards schizophrenia.
So with them and then this othergroup that I fucking lost, I was
like, there could be some serious breakthroughs with
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schizophrenia treatment within the next decade, which is really
exciting, especially for 41 million people.
OK, so there's another guy, Sergio Paska.
He's an MD and an associate professor of psychiatry and
again, behavioral sciences. Him and his colleagues had
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developed, as of 2023, a new technology, which, this is also
fucking wild, developed a new technology in their lab that
allows the production of copiousliving brain tissue,
circumventing the previous issueof not ordinarily having access
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to functional brain tissue from living patients to do tennis.
On and trials and stuff, yeah. Which I'm like, do you have a
technology to have living brain cells?
What? I know that is pretty crazy.
What? Sci-fi, it's all sci-fi.
It makes no sense to me. I'm so uneducated when it comes
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to anything. I'm like, how do you even do
that, Abracadabra? It's basically what it is to me.
Magic. It's all magic, essentially.
I mean, science really is kind of magical.
It is. It's all.
It's like alchemy. Anyway, I digress.
My wonderment. So Pasca's Pasca and his
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colleagues, they found that whennerve cells aren't busy
exchanging information, that they're supposed to keep quiet.
So like, if they're, if they're just popping off at random,
it's, it's like a a bunch of children and like a noisy
classroom, just constantly everything's popping off.
Yeah. So any signals they're
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transmitting can be obscured. But in cases with schizophrenia
with the most common genetic risk risk factor, it seems that
the nerve cells won't shut up. Which makes sense, OK.
Yeah, with all the auditory and visual hallucinations, it's
because the brain is just rapid firing constantly that
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regardless like. Health.
That sounds horrible. Really hell inside your head
trapped in there. So there have been studies to
show a connection between this is this is the thing that really
took the cake and and blew my mind.
There have been studies to show a connection between those who
are born blind or become blind really early in life and
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schizophrenia, and that there's never been a reported case of a
blind person having schizophrenia.
That is wild to me. You would almost think that at
least reported. Yeah, that is crazy.
I feel like people who are blind, I mean, they're the ones
that can't even see anything. I don't maybe is that part of
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like, why? Like because they could never
see anything, so there's not these.
How do you have imageries and hallucinations to have because
you've never seen anything? Yeah, I just, it's isn't that
wild. So I mean, that's got to tell
them. It's got to have something to do
with like, the part of our brainthat controls vision, though,
right? Or like, or some kind of
cognition, visual information. Yeah, that is fascinating.
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Never even what what really got me too is that even if someone
becomes blind early in life, still no they even if they were
at like a higher risk of developing schizophrenia if they
became blind early on in life, no schizophrenia.
It never developed. God was like this is too much.
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You have enough to deal with. I'm just imagining like a blind
person with schizophrenia. I mean, it's already dangerous
when you can see. Like, imagine that sounds like
it would be absolutely terrifying and horrible and
incredibly dangerous. That's crazy.
So it's a phenomenon that stumped even the smartest
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scientific brains for decades. Fucking obviously no one has
ever known. So even though there have been
countless studies conducted conducted to test the theory, no
one has actually done such a comprehensive study as the one
published in Schizophrenia Research back in 2018.
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And what was really amazing about this study was that they
looked at whole population data from about 450,000 people that
were born in WA between 1980 and2001.
And over the course of the study, scientists found that out
of the 1870 children who developed schizophrenia, none of
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them were born blind. So they just kind of like
reinforced that reporting of blindness and schizophrenia and
not happening. Right.
And so there's obviously a correlation.
Yeah. It makes me wonder, like, not
that anybody should do this, butwith that correlation, if there
wasn't such, I don't know how you could do it safely and
(29:34):
humanely. But it would be interesting to
see what would happen to somebody with schizophrenia if
they were to become blind, right?
If that would, or if there was some therapy or something where
you could do where it's almost like a temporary blindness.
You know, I don't know if it's like blindfolds or like, I
don't, you know what I mean, butsome words like kind of a long
term temporary. But yeah, I'm just curious like
(29:56):
how that would like affect theirsymptoms if they became blind
later in life after they were diagnosed.
Yeah. Like would it just, would it
just continue on or would it just be like auditory
hallucinations or would like in their mind's eye, because they
do, they would have memories of seeing stuff if like in their
(30:17):
mind's eye, they would still have kind of like hallucinations
or if they would just disappear altogether.
That's interesting. I wonder I that's, that's so
fascinating. I wonder if I can find anything.
I mean, like, if I've thought ofthat, obviously, like these
scientists have to have thought about that correlation.
Yeah, where do I? I need to do some looking into
(30:37):
that now. So I'm like, yeah, what is it?
Or maybe it's just like, no, everything's still the same.
I'm like, now you just have another ailment on top of it.
That's fucked. So the anomaly has LED
researchers to believe there's something about congenital
blindness that in fact protects people from developing
schizophrenia. But what, you ask?
(31:00):
I'm sure there are two ideas, cognition and vision.
Yep. Yep, because they have a lack of
vision. People born blind learn to
overcompensate at an early age by heightening all their other
senses. Makes sense.
So the belief is that these kinds of enhanced skills have a
protective effect from developing the exact opposite
(31:23):
impairments which come with schizophrenia.
Again, visual hallucinations. So better example, does with
schizophrenia have a hard time processing the sound of speech
and where it's coming from? So it's a it's a kind of a sound
deficit, like localization that can make it difficult for them
(31:44):
to even realize that the sound that they're hearing could be
their own voice. So legitimately cannot figure
out where the voices are coming from makes sense.
And obviously that can contribute to people having
delusions. On the other hand, scientists
also hypothesize that when someone is from birth that the
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brain is conditioned to make sense of all the other sensory
information that's coming in by relying on like their other cues
to build a mental picture. So they they make it in their
mind instead of being able to see it, obviously.
So in theory they wouldn't make false predictions about the
(32:27):
world around them, IE hallucinations, and would be
less susceptible to having any kind of psychotic symptoms.
Very fascinating. So in effect, they're protected
from the false visual cues. And currently there's only
treatments. Again, it's not curable.
(32:48):
The treatments for schizophreniaare individually tailored
medication, counseling. And then there's that source
that I lost earlier. They were do they're starting
their own study and I think it was with about 40.
No, it was with 60 people and they split the group in half.
I think it was like 29 and 31 inthe groups, but they were doing
(33:12):
like counseling and talk therapy.
And then the other group, they would come in three to four
times a week for 30 minute sessions.
And they were essentially playing cognition, strengthening
computer games and and things like that.
Because the idea behind it is that if you can reinforce
cognition, that it can help lessen the noise, the noise in
(33:37):
kind of like just building, working a muscle, making it
stronger so you can find key points and really like focus on
that and kind of make that your,your pillar of lucidity in a
sense. Yeah.
And it's pretty new. It's only been going on from
what I remember. I could be wrong on this, but
for only like a couple of years.So still very new but I was
(34:01):
like. That's Do you remember how long
they were going to do the study for?
I don't know if they even said OK, just ongoing.
I remember ongoing. That would be interesting.
I'm curious to see what the results would be with that.
Right, Very interesting. That is so fascinating.
Yeah, 'cause really it's it's all just counseling, talk
therapy and medication. So trying to see if work and
(34:23):
cognition can help it and like that's.
I mean, why not? Might as well.
Try, really try, anything and everything you know.
Well, so as long as it's humane.Well, yeah, obviously.
Come on. Ethics and morals, people.
Ethics and morals. That's so fascinating this, but
just the the the fact that nobody blind has had a has been
(34:45):
diagnosed with schizophrenia ever like that's been recorded
is just fascinating, incredible.It definitely feels like that
should be researched heavily. Yeah.
And I mean, just knowing that first study that's in the works,
the people working on the that have the technology now to have
(35:07):
brain tissue, living brain tissue that they don't have to
have a patient, a living patientfor or even a dead patient to be
able to do different tests and things like that on.
And then this cognition test or study, I'm just like those three
things together can potentially be so massive and
(35:28):
groundbreaking. Yeah, all, and they're different
areas, but all for schizophrenia.
It's like, that's incredible. Science is wicked cool.
That is really fucking cool. Makes me wish I would have paid
more attention, but yeah, there you have it.
I love that I was. Low down on schizophrenia for
you? Yeah, well, and the fact that
there's people actually activelyresearching it, looking into it,
(35:50):
and very, very, very cool. I mean, the fact that at any
given time around 41 million people are afflicted with
schizophrenia also blew my mind.It's a pretty massive number.
It's a. Lot of people like you said
Yemen, Canada, Canada, whole population would be around.
(36:10):
That yeah, it just, that's crazy, that is.
I'm so glad you looked that up. Such a help with perspective.
Like, yeah, cuz 41 million, yeah, that's a lot, but I don't
know what the fuck that looks like.
Exactly. I feel.
And that's kind of how I am withstuff like that.
I'm like, OK, well what's something else that's like this
so that can give me an idea and like put it in perspective and
(36:30):
kind of be able to kind of graspit and see that.
Yeah, that's cool. What'd you guys think of that?
Do you guys all learn something?I know you all learned
something. Stop.
How could you not, right? Are you kidding me?
Did you know there was a correlation between blindness
and and schizophrenia and the fact that if you're blind you
don't have it? Yeah, cuz like thinking about
it, you're like, OK, well, yeah,I guess that kind of makes
(36:51):
sense, but. But at the same time, but if you
don't know what actually causes it and it's hereditary, then
why? Because, you know, there's the
auditory part of the hallucinations as well, which
clearly doesn't require vision. Yeah, But like the one guy was
saying is like, you know, if you've never seen yourself and
you don't know, you know, but I feel like you still, you know
(37:12):
what your voice sounds like. And then you hear other people's
voices and stuff too. I don't know.
It's just. It's amazing that the vision is
like the key. Right, Doesn't it?
It kind of feels like it's the key.
Yeah, cuz even like it, it's just crazy to think that you can
be born blind and you can be kind of predisposed.
(37:35):
Yeah. Thank you for having
schizophrenia and that you wouldn't even develop the
auditory. Yeah, like what I know.
What is it about the vision in that?
Yeah, And was it like a? Constant input of information
from our eyes. So then I'm also makes me think
because, OK, so blind people have never been diagnosed with
(37:57):
schizophrenia. So does that mean that deaf
people have, oh, that's a, you know, so like it, you know, and
if that's the case, so then it really is just a visual
component. I'm going to have to do a quick
little search. OK, so short answer.
Yes, we we just did a little bitof a little search and we both
(38:20):
came up with the same answer. Yes, deaf people have been
diagnosed with schizophrenia. They are just a little bit more
difficult to diagnose because ofthe communication barrier and it
presents a little bit differently.
Yeah, which is also. So again, vision is the key.
I can't wait till more is discovered.
Me either that I know I'm kind of feeling a little bit
(38:41):
impatient right now. Right.
I'm sure the scientists studyingit are also.
Very interesting. That was such a fascinating
topic, sister. Yeah, I like that.
That was good. Good job.
Nothing like good old mentee beedisorder.
I love that. I love that.
So you guys, we are, we are going to play a game here in
(39:03):
just a few minutes, but. A new game, too.
Yeah, a new game. We'll see how it goes.
It's not going to be good going to tell you that right now.
No ones gonna be winning, exceptmaybe.
This room anyway, yeah. Maybe you guys.
You guys might win. We're both gonna lose anyway.
Anyway, so we, like we said, aregonna be changing some things
(39:25):
up, going with a little bit shorter episodes.
We are gonna be having guests onhere soon, but we would really,
really, really love your feedback.
What kind of people do you want us to talk to and interview and
interact with? Are you looking for, like,
comedians, maybe somebody who used to be in a cult?
I don't know, Somebody who loves, like, you know,
(39:46):
conspiracy theories or cryptids or chiropractors.
Just OK. I don't know.
Just whatever, like who? But I mean, keep it relevant to
what we like to talk about. I mean, we talk about sex and
dating and relationships and then, you know.
Are you or anyone you know a professional matchmaker?
(40:07):
Yeah, you know, just something like that.
I would love to, I would love tohear who you guys want to hear
us talk to and and learn more from.
But then you could also send us your questions and we can ask
them for you. Exactly.
It would be very exciting, but we are gearing up literally
getting gear to be ready to not only have guests, but to also
(40:33):
turn this into a video podcast so that you can look at our
beautiful faces. And all the stupid ones that we
make. Exactly so it.
Should be It should be fun. There are some very exciting and
fun changes coming and also alsoalso also also we did get a
couple cool little. Sauce box podcasts.
(40:54):
We did merge things. Yeah, you want to tell them
about it? Yeah, yeah.
So we through a site, we got to do some samples, yes, of
products and we got 4 air fresheners.
The scents were intense. Yep, yes.
Very intense, yeah. I think, you know, if it was in
(41:16):
a car, it'd be much. I think you could probably put
it in a room and it would make the whole room smell.
They're they're strong, so you'dprobably need to air them out.
Unless you're a person that is just like, yeah, fucking punch
me in the face with scent baby. Let's go drown me then.
Yeah, but we're they have a longlist of different, well, not a
(41:38):
long list, but they get a list of different scents that we're
potentially going to work through.
Yep. See what ones we actually want
to offer to you guys. Yeah, exactly.
And then you can decide what youwant to do with if you want to
put it in your car, air it out first, or if you just want to
put it in your bathroom or whatever, wherever free will.
But it will have our it will have our amazing sauce box logo
(42:00):
on it. And then we also got stickers.
They look so good. I'm already sporting one on my
water bottle. I'm very excited about it.
You know, I would too if I had more space.
I know you, you kind of already got your water bottle all
stickered up. Yeah, so when they start falling
off, I'll be able to put one of ours on.
Right. So we are and we did this kind
(42:20):
of sample just to see what they look like, see how we feel about
them. But we are going to be creating
some window vinyl stickers because I like stickers
occasionally for my car, but I only ever put them on my window
because I ain't trying to fuck on my paint.
But we are going to be getting stickers that are safe to put on
(42:41):
water bottles or glasses or whatever you want to put it on.
And they will be dishwasher safe, indoor, outdoor safe.
So literally they're UV so you can just, they're not going to
fade, they're not going to peel.They're just going to be real
good. Stick em on there and love em
and then you can just. It's cool 'cause the they're
matte, but then there's parts ofem that are glossy, glossy and.
(43:03):
A little bit textured, raised, just.
A little bit, just a little. Bit they're, they're very good
guys. We're very excited about this.
So once we once we kind of nail that down, which we are very,
very close to doing, we are going to have our very first
giveaway, which is going to be super, super, super, super,
super, super excited fun. So yeah, it's going to be it's
(43:24):
going to be a good time. So.
Look forward that something to look forward to.
Yeah. And hopefully we will have that
for you guys by next month. I'm thinking is we could
probably start doing a little giveaway here and there for
y'all. At least a little a.
Little slum, slum, little taster, little taste.
Yeah. You know, taste test giveaway.
Exactly, exactly. And flavors excluded.
(43:45):
Something that something that weare kind of considering too is
doing. So with this giveaway, it's
going to be, you know, tag us inyour story, share us, tag some
friends in the comments, that kind of thing.
Kind of just like how you see a lot of local businesses, how
they'll do giveaways and stuff to kind of spread the word and,
(44:06):
and listeners and stuff like that.
And ours will be similar to that.
You know, it'll be like leaving us a review, giving us a rating
and sending the screenshot, thatkind of stuff.
And we'll be going from there. But it's going to get a little
bit bigger because we do want to, we do want to make it worth
it for you guys. And we want to give you some
good merch, not just like a sticker air freshener, but some
shit you can actually wear so. Yeah.
(44:29):
So initially maybe. Some like shirts or hoodies in
there and stuff too. But right now we're just, we had
to get our, we had to get our logo on lock and then just
testing out and just testing out, you know, merch from a
couple different vendors to see,see what we like and what fits
with what we're trying to do and.
Yeah. So initially it'll be something
(44:49):
small, but we're working on the the real nice.
Good. Something bad?
Yeah, yeah. Giveaways.
It'll be good. It'll be good.
I'm very excited. So be excited.
For us and for yourselves, because some of you are going to
win some shit. That's right, you are going to
win some shit. It's going to be good.
All right well, always you guys share the podcast with other
(45:12):
people. I know there are some of you out
there who are always telling people about us and we.
Love it for it we. Thank you.
And yes, we need to just, I knowwho a couple of you are, so
we'll be sending you some shit for free just regardless,
because we know all the love andwork you're doing and, and you
know, spread the love. For us, you don't got to enter a
giveaway. You got some free shithead in
your way. You know who you is.
(45:34):
Yeah, so you won't be one of those people.
Chop, chop, chop, chop. Get on it.
In the meantime, we're going to get ready to play a game.
Oh, guys. Fingers crossed.
Sheesh. Thoughts and prayers.
All right. Hey, Samara bought a new game.
(45:56):
Samara, what is the game called?Poorly explained movies.
A game. OK, OK, so I'm going to just
kind of read the very humorous rules that came with this, just
to give you guys an idea of whatthis is.
So the objective, has your mom ever forgotten the name of a
movie that she just watched and decided to describe it to you
instead? Well, that's this game in a
(46:20):
nutshell. You are going to try to identify
popular movies from the worst descriptions possible before
your friends, family, and any other random strangers that you
happen to be playing with. Oh, that's you.
Yes, number of players. How many people can you play
with? Well, that really depends on how
many people you want to hang outwith at any given time.
It's pretty flexible. For a truly competitive game
(46:43):
though, you'll need at least three people, and probably less
than 10, mainly because it givesus anxiety just thinking about
it. That said, two people are still
perfect for playing the casual mode, as you'll see.
So for casual mode, which I fucking love this, it was so
funny. First, get some drinks.
(47:04):
This is very important. Now drink them.
You're doing great so far. Now sit around with your friends
and randomly pick a card. Yell, answer.
Yell answers as loudly and as passionately as your current
level of intoxication allows. Everyone wins, except maybe your
neighbors. And I will tell you guys, Samara
and I, oh boy, just took out twocards each and we sucked.
(47:29):
But Samara's going to read you some of the examples that are on
the outside of the box, just to give you an idea of how this
works. Yeah, and how poorly this is
going to go. Yeah.
So on the box, there's one that says a goose suddenly dies and
it makes everyone really depressed.
What's that movie? What is it?
So you guys know it's Top Gun? That's the goose.
(47:51):
That's the goose. Another one is a janitor writes
all over school property AKA goodwill hunting.
Yeah, never would have got that.A single father loses his son,
but he finds him at the dentist.Finding Nemo.
New drying session ends with everyone being cold.
Titanic. This is the Titanic.
(48:13):
So yeah, the. All the movies are from 1980,
nineteen, 3737 all the way up to2019.
Yeah. I was like, I don't know, he's
that old. No shit, I know.
Like fucked. Wait, when did A Streetcar Named
Desire come out? I know that one, but I.
Was that? I don't know.
I don't know when that came out.Wasn't it black and white?
(48:35):
And I can't even honestly tell you what it was about, really.
I just know Marlon Brando. And he was abusive, Yeah, so.
You know we're gonna go let's probably do 6 cards each
roughly. Yeah.
Can't imagine we're just gonna go slow.
Yeah. OK so go ahead raise your first
(48:55):
card, sister. OK, so each of these cards they
have the. Clue and then there's also a
hint and then the year of the movie and then the name of the
movie. So because we are gonna not be
very good at this, I'm gonna just just give the hint.
Like the hint. They get the description, the
hint and the year and then see if Samara can get it from there.
(49:17):
Please do the same for me. I will.
OK, gladly. A man in a suit loves to go
cycling. Hint.
He also has a bow tie. Year 1985.
You don't need to tell me the year.
It's not going to help me. I have no idea.
Pee Wee's big. Adventure.
Oh fuck, get out of here. All right, 2 old guys get into a
(49:40):
fight. Hint, they go ice fishing. 02
Grumpy old men. Fuck off.
Wait, was that right? Oh my God, I love that.
OK. What the fuck?
Two friends owe a big worm some money.
Hint for drugs. Oh my gosh.
What is that like? Tremors.
So many of you guys know this movie, no?
(50:01):
Is this Star Wars? No, it's Friday.
Oh yeah, OK. I've seen clips.
I've never actually. I know.
I was like, that would have beenbetter for me to have that one.
I feel Jason yelling at us, yelling at me.
I don't know if Jason would haveknown Friday.
I don't know, but I feel it. Yeah.
(50:22):
Jason, let me know. Yeah.
Am I wrong about this too? Oh my gosh.
OK, OK, a woman wants a divorce from her childhood sweetheart.
Hint, he makes lightning art. Oh, sweet home, Alabama.
Fuck you shit, I am right in theass.
Fire. Fuck this is great.
(50:42):
This. Is.
Horseshit. What's happening?
OK, I hate it here. 2 OK, two people missed their train in
order to take a walk instead. Hint while in Europe.
I don't know this one either. It's called Before Sunrise.
Never even heard of. That yeah, me either in 1995.
(51:05):
All right, well, a chef tries toeat a sandwich, but his
housekeeper interrupts him. Hint.
They end up kissing. No idea.
Spanglish. Oh, that's such a good movie.
I was good enough. I do like that movie.
It was really good. All right.
An oblivious man helps a kid embrace his talents.
(51:28):
Hint, there are ghosts. I see dead people.
Six cents, Yes, Hallelujah, I got 1.
Let me put that aside for you. Thank you.
OK, thank you. I need that.
All right. A what?
Hold on a boss. A boss blackmails their
assistant into marriage. Hint for a green card.
(51:52):
Oh, that is the. Proposal.
Yeah, I hate you so much. So fucking good I.
Hate you, we're fighting. OK, a man loses something
important in the toilet. Hint, a baby is on the ceiling.
What? Oh my God.
(52:14):
Fucking excuse me? I I've never seen this movie.
I've heard of it. I've never seen it, so I can't.
Even give you give me the year. It's 1996.
Oh Nope, I have no idea. It's.
Trainspotting. Nope, never even heard of it.
Yeah, the fuck? All right, Twin girls ruin a
young woman's chance at love. Oh, come on.
(52:34):
While camping. Wait, what is it twin girls?
What? Twin girls ruin a young woman's
chance at love while camping. Sounds like a Lindsay Lohan
movie. Yeah, I actually would have
known this one. I feel like I can see.
I don't know the name of it though.
Why you don't get this then it'sthe parent trap.
Oh right, OK. I could not remember what it was
(52:55):
called. Shit OK, grown men fight over
who has a better magic trick. Hint, there's a twin.
Oh, I can see it in my. Head grown men fight over who
has a better magic trick. Hint, there's a twin.
I've never seen it so I don't. I can't give.
(53:15):
I know what the movie is but I don't know the name.
I'm gonna go with the magician, but the Prestige thank yes.
Damn it, that was such a good movie too.
Sucks that you didn't know that.I know I could see in my head,
which is real frustrating. A man disrupts a family's trip
with his thirst for knowledge. Hint, it's animated.
(53:36):
What's the? Year. 1999.
I don't know. Tarzan.
Never would have guessed that. Yeah, 'cause his parents end up
dying. OK, a man having a midlife
crisis gets a lot of tattoos. Hint, he takes Polaroids too.
I don't know. I'd know this one too, even
(54:00):
without seeing it. I have no idea.
Memento, you never Oh, you got to watch it.
Especially since yeah, it's it'sgood.
Never even heard of it. It's good man.
A son saves the family business from his evil stepmom and there
are bees everywhere. Gavin would be screaming right
(54:22):
now. I have no idea.
Tommy Boy. Oh my God.
She likes that movie. All right, an infertile couple
finally gets a child hint. They steal it.
This is old. It's 1987.
Why do I keep getting such old ones?
It's not even that old. It's what you do with kids and
(54:46):
then the kids name is the name of a state.
What you would do with a kid? And it's what you do with kids.
Like if you have a kid, you do this with them and then it's the
name of the state. If you're a parent, you are.
Oh, it's on the tip of my tongueraising something.
Fuck. State starts with an A Alabama.
(55:07):
Nope, try again. Alaska.
Oh my God, this is raising Arizona.
Arizona. I tried.
That's what I said. Whatever, man.
OK, an orphan boy finds a household item that changes his
life forever and it's animated. Why is that the hint?
Narrows it down. No, I don't know Aladdin.
(55:31):
Oh. My God the fuck this.
A man is angry after the death of his dog.
Hint. So he kills people.
John Wick. Thank you.
I'm like, bitch, you better. Oh, did you see though there is
a new John Wick? It's like from the world of John
Wick called Ballerina. What?
(55:51):
No, I just watched the preview. It looks so fucking.
Good. I have not seen that.
Looks so fucking good. OK think you might get this one.
OK a cute pet stays up too late partying with his friends.
Hint they cause a lot of death. 1984 I can see the scenes in my
head. I had no idea.
Gremlins. Oh my God.
(56:12):
Right? Shit.
Damn it. OK, a dozen people fail to get
out of jury duty. Hint it's in black and white.
Fuck 1957. I'm not gonna know that. 12
angry men. That makes sense.
Yeah, that does make sense. All right, last one each.
(56:34):
All right, I've never even heard.
Of this has been doing good on this.
Do you guys know what any of these are?
Have you gotten any of them at all?
This is not a game for winners. No, but shut up.
How many have you gotten? Right.
I don't know. So many.
Three. I think you have two.
Whatever. Anyway, a family takes a dead
animal home only to discover that it's still alive.
(56:56):
That's hint it has big feet. Oh, Harry and the Hendersons.
Fuck off. Oh my God, you bitch.
Yes, OK. Well done.
Thank you. OK, let me find something that
you can get here. Jesus.
So it's. Going to make it hurt more.
If you think I can get in, then I don't.
(57:18):
Well, I'm going to find something that I feel like you
would know. Maybe you're on card, what, 15?
Well, first of all, I'm looking at these years.
I'm like, Jesus, I'm getting like all these old ones now.
Right. Did I get like the newer half of
the stack? Do you watch a lot of animated
some? Yeah.
(57:39):
I was not. You can throw an animated one at
me. This.
All right? This is gonna have to do.
OK. A boy hangs out in a junkyard
with his space friend. It's animated, Wally.
No, there's no humans. And well, I guess there are
humans in Wally, but no. Say it again.
A boy hangs out in a junkyard with his space friend.
(58:00):
Is it ET. No, I know that's terrible.
It was the Iron Giant. Oh, oh, that might be so sad.
I know. Well, you guys, Samara got 2.
I think I got 4. You got 4.
So out of 11 cards each, I got 4, right?
And Samara got two. Yeah.
Not good. Those are just not very good
(58:20):
odds for us. We suck at this.
We really suck at this game. But you know, it's fine.
It's everything's fine. This game is just going to be
multiple slices of humble pie. Yeah, served again and again and
smashed in your face, Yeah. We all know how I feel about
food being smashed in faces. That's right.
It's dangerous. Not good.
I took the sticks out. Whatever SO hurts me on the
(58:42):
inside. All right, you guys.
Well, we will be back again nextweek and we thank you for
joining. Us, yes.
And next week we are going to bedoing Installment 4 of Exploring
Sexual Flavors. Yes, that'll be fun.
I will be talking about exhibitionism.
Samara doesn't know what she's going to talk about yet, but
it'll be a surprise. It'll sure it'll be something
very weird and odd and disturbing.
(59:04):
So I'm going to keep you guys onyour toes.
That's right. It's going to be good.
And then we will also be giving our book Rex as well, which is
going to be good. Yeah, that's good.
Yeah, it's going to be good. And then I can tell you guys all
about Matt Rife also because. I mean, that's going to be fun
to hear. About it'll be fresh in my mind
because we record on Sunday and I will have seen him on Saturday
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so. Oh, Speaking of Matt Rice, No,
no, not that Annabelle asshole, No.
I said no, no means. No.
I was just going to say that. People were getting mad that
they were pretty sure like him and the other guy weren't
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actually going to take like proper care of Annabelle and the
sense of. Respect and the fact that she's
an evil thing from hell. Yeah, and doing like, proper
cleansing and like, reinforcement of like,
protections and shit. And that they felt like him and
that other guy were just really flippant about it.
(01:00:05):
And so many people from the paranormal world were like no
fucking seriously you need to get someone who has knowledge in
this to actually do proper cleansings.
And protections. But don't you think if they're
going to be entrusting the care of Annabelle to somebody, they
will have already gone over thiswith them and the importance of
(01:00:28):
it and whatever like? Me and that people are going to
take it serious though. I know, but I feel like you know
some people. Just want to be attracts.
Oh yeah. I don't know, I've seen Matt
Rife in a lot of interviews and he might come off like in his
comedy as like this dumb immature kid or whatever, but.
He's he's fingers crossed. He's pretty intelligent and
pretty grounded. I I'm not.
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And he's religious, so I don't see him playing with that.
Let's hope, yeah. Let's hope otherwise he might
get possessed. Who knows?
Fuck off, you're such a whore. I'm just saying, all right, Love
you guys. Whatever, bye.
Such an asshole. Listen to us on Spotify and
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Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of The Sauce
Box. I am your host, Nikki.
And I am Samara Samara. Samara, Oh my gosh.
I will just tell you guys right now I am kind of in a mood and
(00:45):
did not want to record today andSamara's making me anyways.
Yeah. Also, how'd you guys like?
That mini. So that was fucking fun, wasn't
it? Right, it was it was actually
really fun. I.
Want to do it again? It was.
Fun. I do actually like that shorter
episode. I think that was pretty cool.
We are going to actually start shortening our episodes.
(01:05):
That inspired us a little bit. But also editing is so much
work. You guys like 30 minutes takes
an hour to edit and so do math that's about, you know, 4 hours
of editing. It's intense.
It's. Too much.
It's a. Lot it's supposed to be.
Fun and it feels like a homework.
It does anyway, So we're going to, we're going to try to keep
our episodes down to an hour with the exception of when we
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have guests on, which, you know,last week we had our first
guest. That was a fun little trial run.
But when we do have guests, we'll probably make that not let
them go any more than like an hour and a half because we do
want to be able to really engagewith our guests and let you guys
get to know them and. Yeah, having another person you
know. Yeah, let them.
Let them have some limelight. Exactly.
(01:50):
Yeah. So anyways, so how was?
How was your week? It was good.
It was real good. I so I discovered who my
biological dad is and. Really.
This is news to me. I mean, I suspected, but you
hadn't told me you like. Confirmed it it's it's
confirmed. Oh my God, congratulations.
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I haven't, we have not spoke, but I've talked to his aunt and
then his half sister, OK. And then I ended up reaching out
to his eldest daughter and her and I have been talking for the
last week or so. Huge shock to them, obviously,
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I'm sure I mean it. It silenced our family when we
told them, you know, so pretty sure it's the same thing.
But she's been great. It was kind of rocky at first,
obviously, but it's a little bitweird when you have somebody
come in and be like, yeah, so we're related.
I'm sorry, what? I don't know.
Surprise. Yeah, I'm actually the.
I'm actually the oldest. That's so weird.
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And you're the baby in this family.
No, I'm like, huh, I'm three years older than you.
What that's so? Wild.
Yeah, it's like two or three years.
I'm not exactly sure when she was born, but, but, yeah, we've
been just kind of talking back and forth and I was like, well,
is there anything like, you wanna know about me?
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And she's like, well, yeah, I'vegot 30 years to catch up on.
I was like, oh, yay. Oh, I love that 'cause it
totally could have gone the other way where I was like,
yeah, not interested, not even gonna try and talk to you, go
crazy, go away. And I was really worried about
that 'cause I was like, I just, I didn't know, you know, I'm
just discovering all of this. Yeah, you just found out
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yourself. Even if I've been saying it
since you've been born, it's still, it's just hasn't.
Like it's, it's never bore really any weight with me, you
know, And then you getting me totake the DNA test and then how
that slowly developed, you know,'cause waiting on everyone to
respond to me over ancestry. Has been torture.
(04:01):
Yeah, 'cause it's been really slow.
Yeah. And then getting into actual
conversations, which is always really awkward.
I hate starting conversations, especially with like, hey,
surprise, we're related, right? Like, how do you bring that up
to somebody? Yeah, multiple times over and
over with different people. Yeah.
But yeah, it's, it's been going good.
(04:22):
I think that's awesome. So has anybody mentioned this to
your biological dad at all? Like, does he cheat it?
How did he react? Just stunned.
Shocked. Had no idea.
Wow. Same with same with their mom.
And so I actually have three other half siblings.
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Wow. One did.
That's crazy. One did pass away.
Same year. Mom died.
Oh, that's sad. Yeah, very sad.
I mean kind of a blessing for their family.
They lost a sibling and gained 1.
That's morbid. You know, it's like a silver
lining. I mean, you know, arguably.
Yeah, yeah. So the one that passed away was
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a son and then the other two aredaughters.
And I've been talking to the eldest, but yeah, it's but he's
not like shutting it down. Like no, that's not possible.
Oh, she's told me and I I had had they asked about mom at all?
Like I've already laid down likewho mom was like all of that was
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kind of in my opening message initial reach out kind of thing
of like, hey, our parents apparently fucked at least once
back around 1991 ish. Yeah, around this time in this
place. Yeah, 30 years ago.
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Wow, took ADNA test. Have you seen any?
Pictures of them, Yeah, they're beautiful.
Yeah. Do you see similarities in
yourself? Not really, but I'm also really
bad with that, like comparing facial features and stuff so
you'll have to. Show me a picture I want to see.
Yeah, we'll hear. We'll, we'll pause.
OK so Samir just showed me pictures of her and her half
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siblings and I so pretty. They are very beautiful and I
it's ridiculous. Definitely see a resemblance
for. Well, I'm.
I'm glad you do. You get to see my face more than
I do, So no. I see.
I see a resemblance for sure. Yeah.
So been doing that, you know it's.
Cool, very exciting. Are you hoping you get to be
able to talk to your bio dad at some point?
(06:35):
Yeah, maybe. Does he seem amenable to it yet
or I don't know. We she really just said that she
had asked her, her parents, unlike her dad, about it.
Yes. I'm not going to call him my
dad, my biological dad. And that they were just really
surprised and we haven't kind ofcircled back to it.
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It's still slow, 'cause I mean, we both work full time and
everything. So it's like we each send like 1
message every couple of days. Are you guys still talking
through Ancestry? No, her and I message through
Facebook. Oh, OK, cool.
Yeah, she's not on there. That's how me and my half sister
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have been messaging also. It's like I have so many half
siblings. That's crazy.
All I have, that's all we both have is half siblings.
Yeah, it's wild. It is.
Very weird. I think I have 6 if you include
the one that passed away. Right, Yeah, yeah.
And I have 6 also. Derek, Josh, what are the and
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odds that we have the same number of half siblings?
Yeah, that's so weird. Oh, it's crazy.
Accidentally a Mormon family. Right.
I don't. Well, because we have each other
and then the boys and then I also have two other half sisters
and a half brother. That's so weird.
What the fuck I? Know that's fucking crazy.
(08:02):
Reality isn't actually real, it's all.
Of the matrix. It's all zeros and ones, man.
It's so crazy. That's crazy.
So my. Yeah.
What? What have you been up to?
What have you been doing? Nothing as profound as that, but
it's hard to beat, you know? But I did go to a Sam Barbara
(08:22):
concert this last Friday, which was really good.
If you guys don't know him, lookhim up on Spotify or Apple Music
or wherever you listen to music,whatever, just look him up.
Sam Barbara, he's really talented.
He's got such a soulful voice. He's only like 22 I think.
Oh, I didn't realize he was thatyoung.
He looks that young. He's a fucking baby.
He looks like he's like 18. He looks so young, but he's got
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such a powerful voice. God.
That fucking snap you sent me the.
Dancing in the Sky. Yeah, yeah, that song rips my
heart out, shreds it, stomps on it, sets it on fire.
So his most popular song, if youguys are into kind of a country
folk, bluesy kind of vibe is Indigo.
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It's like one of his most popular, but also he's got like
he's got like straight and narrow man of the year.
And then the song that Samara and I were just talking about
called Dancing in the Sky, whichI believe he wrote about his mom
passing away. It feels like a good Lord.
It and obviously you guys know that our mom passed away and so
like hearing that song is just devastating.
(09:25):
It it but like in a good way. It's like a bittersweet.
But yeah, he that was his encoresong.
So he had left and they came back into that song and I'm
like, standing there in the crowd, like, given the crowd.
Two reasons to cry. Yeah, yeah.
So I was definitely tearing up. And yeah, it was.
Thinking about it was a good concert.
Though it was was. It raining.
(09:45):
It looked like it was kind of raining.
Yeah, so towards the end it was definitely sprinkling, but it
was 70° so it felt kind of good.That's Yeah, it was it was very
mean to rain in the summer is the best when it is warm.
I love the. Crowds crying the skies.
It's the tears. I mean, it's the rain.
It's the tears. There's just so many.
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They're flying off of our faces.So powerful.
Yeah, that was really good. And then Jonah Keegan opened up
for him and he's got some reallygood songs that I love, like God
Needs a Devil Burn, but yeah, he's I really liked.
It was good. And then I made.
Was he the Australian artist? Is that what you said?
No, I was talking about the Teske brothers.
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Oh yeah, no. So I made a couple new friends
while I was there, which was really cool and.
You make friends like a child makes friends.
Do children make friends easily?Yes, I mean, most children.
I don't know. I blame it on the fact that I
had to move around and go to newschools all the time, so I
didn't really have a choice. I could either be a recluse or I
could your love for people. I do love people.
(10:51):
You're just so. Fucking personable sometimes
it's disgusting. Honestly, that's just where I'm
happiest. Like put me in like a massive
crowd of people. She'll come out with four new
friends, yeah. Yeah, it was great.
I I met this this one guy who was really cool.
He was a couple years younger than me.
And then we kept bumping into each other throughout the entire
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show, which was just crazy because we, like, parted ways
and then we'd, like, run into each other and part ways again
and run each other again. And then I met his wife.
And it was just really cool. It was just, yeah.
And she was like working at the event.
And then I met these sisters whoreminded me of US1.
Just definitely very kind of gothy, elder, emo vibe.
And then the other one was more my vibe.
(11:35):
And you look at them and you're like, why are these two people
together? Like they're so polar opposites
And you're like, oh, your sisters makes sense.
OK, I get that. That tracks.
OK, right. You know, And so I hung out with
them for a little while and me and the elder emo sister hit it
off because I was like, I love your outfit.
She had like this kind of clear black mesh top on with like a
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black bra. She was like, stop, I love your
earrings. I love your whole vibe and and
whatever. And then we started talking
about tit size and, you know, asone naturally does exactly, you
know, So it was it was it was good.
And then later on in the night Iran into my OG buddy that I kept
running into and then he gave melike a tour of the McMenamins
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Grand Lodge, which was really fucking cool seeing.
Pictures of that place. There's secret rooms.
He knew where all of them were, so he showed me all the little
secret rooms. And I didn't know they had
secret rooms. That's fucking cool.
Either and now I know how to find them and all the
McMenamins, so I'm very excited.All of them have secret rooms.
All of them. So if there is a floor at a
McMenamins, not the actual floor, but like a level floor
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that is blue, painted blue with stars, there are hidden passages
and secret rooms. That's so fucking cool.
I know it was very cool. It was very cool.
So, you know, just the idea of it was just kind of cool.
The rooms themselves weren't like anything to like.
Doesn't matter. No, but your passages are just
cool of shit. Thank you.
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It could lead to a closet. I don't care.
It was amazing. It was really cool.
And then I got a drink. We went outside, we're
bullshitting. And then this other guy came up,
he was 22, and we started bullshitting with him.
And then he was tripping becausewe were old enough to be his
parents. He was young enough to be our
our child. But yeah, it was, it was great.
We were all just like bullshitting.
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And so, yeah, I was, I had a really amazing time.
And then I wound up staying at areally cool hotel later.
Spur of the moment and then I drove to the coast and went to a
place called Tunnel Beach, whichis I haven't even heard of that
super me either. My my buddy that I made, he told
me is that a secret beach? No, it's not a secret beach, but
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it is really cool. So they carved a tunnel in the,
the side of one of the like cliffsides and you go through
and it's like, it's, it's like arectangular concrete tunnel like
halfway. And then it's just a really
rough tunnel the rest of the waythrough.
Like literally feels like you'rewalking through a cave and you
come out the other side and it'sthis really rocky beach.
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And it's just very beautiful andpretty.
And I was listening to like the waves would come up really high
and it was a very rocky, rocky beach.
There's no sand. And the waves would come up high
up onto the rocks. And then as the waves came down
off of all these round rocks, itwould make this sound almost
like a didgeridoo but like crazyloud.
(14:26):
Like it sounded like Thunder. The first time it happened I was
like what the fuck is that sound?
It's a collapsing. And then I realized and I was
like, oh dude, it is. It was the coolest fucking
sound. I'll have to play it for you.
It was just so neat. I'll post the video for you guys
too. I mean, 'cause you can hear it
in the video, but the ocean is so loud that it doesn't make the
the water going through the rocks sound very loud.
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But it was really loud. Like it sounded like, you know,
Rolling Thunder. It was just, that was awesome.
Yeah. It was so uncool.
So I did that and then I went, you know, I went home and yeah,
it was, it was good. It was a nice little drive and I
had a really good time. And that sounds like a really
fun weekend. I know I'm very excited and I go
to Matt Rife next weekend, so. I'm just that's up in Bend.
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That's in Bend, yeah. And I'm just trying to do all
the things. I'm just trying to do all the
things. Stay as busy as I can, enjoy the
sunshine as much as possible. Because as you guys know, we're
in the Pacific Northwest and we get like we get 3-4 months if
we're lucky of warm weather and sunshine.
And then after that is just overcast and cold and rainy and
(15:30):
wet and. So and I love that and you.
Hate it. I absolutely hate it.
I've been here my whole life. I mean so of you, but I just, I
don't know. I'm over it.
I am a sunshine girl. I need.
I need the ocean and beaches andsunshine and, you know, and
people want to be out and about and doing stuff.
Yeah, nobody really wants to, you know, I mean, don't get me
(15:51):
wrong, I like to snowboard and ski.
That's fun too. But I'd rather just travel to
that. Yeah, and not live in it all the
time. Yeah, yeah, that's fair.
Yeah. So anyway, So what is?
Making the most out of your summer.
I'm trying. This has been my year of say
yes, do more say yes. So I you know.
I mean, I'm sure our listeners would also agree that you've
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definitely been doing it. You've been doing a lot of shit.
I, I've been, I know people are like, oh, you're staying busy.
I'm like, I'm certainly trying to, certainly trying to.
So anyways, all right, So what are we what are we talking about
this week? Oh, just a little mental
disorder. Mental disorder.
Anyone in particular? Anyone.
(16:33):
Oh, I I talk to anyone as a person.
No, like, that's my bad. Any mental disorder in
particular? Yeah, we're gonna talk about
we're gonna learn a little fun tidbit about schizophrenia.
Oh yay my. Favorite.
That's gonna be the first time that sentence has ever been
uttered. I just think it's so
(16:54):
fascinating. Schizophrenia has always
fascinated me. It is fascinating and I'm gonna
hit you all with some pretty crazy shit that I didn't even
know about schizophrenia. OK.
Oh, I'm excited. Yeah, it'll it, it's not going
to be super long or anything, but it'll be a a cool rundown.
(17:16):
It's not so much about what schizophrenia is.
I feel like most people have some good idea, pretty good
understanding of what it is, butthis is going to be more of.
Hear voices. People are out to get me.
It's me, bitch. Mera insert.
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Oh my gosh. But it's going to be more of
like kind of breakthroughs in the study of schizophrenia,
things more like that, so. OK.
All right. Well, I'm, I'm ready for this.
Perfect. You guys ready?
Let's go. Let's go going to.
Get on the crazy train. So Stanford Medicine scientists
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have actually been generating this periodic table of sorts for
psychiatric disorders, kind of like literally, if you picture
the periodic table, that's kind of what they're doing with
different disorders to provide abetter understanding of these
conditions and like paving a waytowards better targeted
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treatment. Good.
And they're using two different massive and very public
available databases to do it. So they're like cross
referencing and then smart organizing.
OK, more or less. So one of.
Right. Especially with schizophrenia,
since it's not curable. Yeah, it's just treatable and
(18:45):
manageable. One flag.
So one of these databases flags genes that are associated with
psychiatric disorders, and then the other shows which cells in
what part of the brain are making the most use of those
genes. Oh.
Very interesting. Fucking cool, right?
(19:05):
Yeah. And they've implicated that
certain cell types, in particular brain locations in
schizophrenia. So they can they're discovering
what parts of the brain are responsible cells are tied to
schizophrenia. Which I'm like how the fuck do
you even do that? That is crazy.
Just blew my mind. For real, that's intense.
(19:29):
That is so cool. Right.
And that's not even the coolest shit.
That's the tip of the iceberg. Yeah, at least I think so.
I, I nerded out over this a little bit.
So the study detailing the findings are in Nature
Neuroscience and it was published on the 20th of January
this year. Oh, OK, so it's new.
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It is, and it's the first of itskind, very first of its kind.
So the psychiatric disorders actually impact about 1/5 of the
population at any given time. And so the researchers focus
primarily on schizophrenia because of its severity in the
fact that it's not curable and found that .5% of all
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individuals have it. So I did the math.
The world population is 8.2 billion, so .5% of that would be
41 million people. Any.
Schizophrenia at any given. Point.
Any given point. What?
That's a lot of people that. Really.
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I was just like, wow, brain breaks Screech.
Yeah, that's 41 million at any point in time.
That is. Crazy.
Yeah. So the the genes, well, so genes
account for roughly 70 to 80% ofthe variability in people's
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likelihood in developing schizophrenia, which is crazy
high again, 70 to 80. Percent.
So I just was curious about this41 million.
I just wanted to see like what countries have a population like
that? And that would be like the
entire country of Ukraine. Oh, the entire country of
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Morocco? Poland.
Uzbekistan. Wow, that's crazy.
Yeah, it is a lot easier. Maybe that might not be the best
word to say on this. Yemen, Canada.
Yemen, Canada, yeah. So it'd be like the entire
country's population having schizophrenia.
That is. So just to help people like put
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it in perspective. I didn't even think to do a
search like that. I just popped in my mind, so
yeah. Wow.
You're welcome. Can you imagine an entire
country of just people? Every single person just has
schizophrenia? How?
I think all the other countries would be like no weapons.
They cannot have any weapons. Everything's dull, blunted.
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Oh my gosh. That would be so wild.
We just leave them alone, just let them do them.
And just to be clear, those countries I listed off,
Canada's, Canada and Yemen are the ones that have like the
closest to 41 million. All the other ones were like
3842, but those are just all thecountries that were right around
that kind of population. But yeah, anyways.
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Wild and it usually shows up between ages 18 and and like 30.
It's the biggest genetic contributor to any psychiatric
disorder, and it's more reliablydiagnosed than any other
disorder. That makes sense.
But I feel like it's like, I mean, what qualifies you as, you
know, being schizophrenic is, I mean, it's pretty black and
(22:46):
white, you know what I mean? Yeah.
It's. It's not like I can understand.
It could be a few things. You're like, it's it's it's
pretty obvious if it's schizophrenia, they're pretty
blatant. Yeah.
I'm like, there's not a lot of other mental disorders that have
those, those kind of markers. Thank you.
Yeah. So that's first study that I was
talking about where they're doing the database thing.
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That study's senior author, PhD Laramie Duncan.
She's an assistant professor of psychiatry and behavioral
sciences. She estimates that it'll be
probably another six or seven years before scientists actually
have useful clinical applications for what they're
(23:32):
doing right now, which makes sense.
Jinx. And then not only that, but
actually being able to use theirstudy with matching patients
even better to more specific therapies.
And there's even other, I had the tab open and then I actually
closed it and I couldn't find itagain in my history.
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But there's there's another group of scientists that are
working on cognitive therapies. OK.
Specifically targeted towards schizophrenia.
So with them and then this othergroup that I fucking lost, I was
like, there could be some serious breakthroughs with
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schizophrenia treatment within the next decade, which is really
exciting, especially for 41 million people.
OK, so there's another guy, Sergio Paska.
He's an MD and an associate professor of psychiatry and
again, behavioral sciences. Him and his colleagues had
(24:39):
developed, as of 2023, a new technology, which, this is also
fucking wild, developed a new technology in their lab that
allows the production of copiousliving brain tissue,
circumventing the previous issueof not ordinarily having access
(25:00):
to functional brain tissue from living patients to do tennis.
On and trials and stuff, yeah. Which I'm like, do you have a
technology to have living brain cells?
What? I know that is pretty crazy.
What? Sci-fi, it's all sci-fi.
It makes no sense to me. I'm so uneducated when it comes
(25:24):
to anything. I'm like, how do you even do
that, Abracadabra? It's basically what it is to me.
Magic. It's all magic, essentially.
I mean, science really is kind of magical.
It is. It's all.
It's like alchemy. Anyway, I digress.
My wonderment. So Pasca's Pasca and his
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colleagues, they found that whennerve cells aren't busy
exchanging information, that they're supposed to keep quiet.
So like, if they're, if they're just popping off at random,
it's, it's like a a bunch of children and like a noisy
classroom, just constantly everything's popping off.
Yeah. So any signals they're
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transmitting can be obscured. But in cases with schizophrenia
with the most common genetic risk risk factor, it seems that
the nerve cells won't shut up. Which makes sense, OK.
Yeah, with all the auditory and visual hallucinations, it's
because the brain is just rapid firing constantly that
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regardless like. Health.
That sounds horrible. Really hell inside your head
trapped in there. So there have been studies to
show a connection between this is this is the thing that really
took the cake and and blew my mind.
There have been studies to show a connection between those who
are born blind or become blind really early in life and
(26:56):
schizophrenia, and that there's never been a reported case of a
blind person having schizophrenia.
That is wild to me. You would almost think that at
least reported. Yeah, that is crazy.
I feel like people who are blind, I mean, they're the ones
that can't even see anything. I don't maybe is that part of
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like, why? Like because they could never
see anything, so there's not these.
How do you have imageries and hallucinations to have because
you've never seen anything? Yeah, I just, it's isn't that
wild. So I mean, that's got to tell
them. It's got to have something to do
with like, the part of our brainthat controls vision, though,
right? Or like, or some kind of
cognition, visual information. Yeah, that is fascinating.
(27:42):
Never even what what really got me too is that even if someone
becomes blind early in life, still no they even if they were
at like a higher risk of developing schizophrenia if they
became blind early on in life, no schizophrenia.
It never developed. God was like this is too much.
(28:04):
You have enough to deal with. I'm just imagining like a blind
person with schizophrenia. I mean, it's already dangerous
when you can see. Like, imagine that sounds like
it would be absolutely terrifying and horrible and
incredibly dangerous. That's crazy.
So it's a phenomenon that stumped even the smartest
(28:25):
scientific brains for decades. Fucking obviously no one has
ever known. So even though there have been
countless studies conducted conducted to test the theory, no
one has actually done such a comprehensive study as the one
published in Schizophrenia Research back in 2018.
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And what was really amazing about this study was that they
looked at whole population data from about 450,000 people that
were born in WA between 1980 and2001.
And over the course of the study, scientists found that out
of the 1870 children who developed schizophrenia, none of
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them were born blind. So they just kind of like
reinforced that reporting of blindness and schizophrenia and
not happening. Right.
And so there's obviously a correlation.
Yeah. It makes me wonder, like, not
that anybody should do this, butwith that correlation, if there
wasn't such, I don't know how you could do it safely and
(29:34):
humanely. But it would be interesting to
see what would happen to somebody with schizophrenia if
they were to become blind, right?
If that would, or if there was some therapy or something where
you could do where it's almost like a temporary blindness.
You know, I don't know if it's like blindfolds or like, I
don't, you know what I mean, butsome words like kind of a long
term temporary. But yeah, I'm just curious like
(29:56):
how that would like affect theirsymptoms if they became blind
later in life after they were diagnosed.
Yeah. Like would it just, would it
just continue on or would it just be like auditory
hallucinations or would like in their mind's eye, because they
do, they would have memories of seeing stuff if like in their
(30:17):
mind's eye, they would still have kind of like hallucinations
or if they would just disappear altogether.
That's interesting. I wonder I that's, that's so
fascinating. I wonder if I can find anything.
I mean, like, if I've thought ofthat, obviously, like these
scientists have to have thought about that correlation.
Yeah, where do I? I need to do some looking into
(30:37):
that now. So I'm like, yeah, what is it?
Or maybe it's just like, no, everything's still the same.
I'm like, now you just have another ailment on top of it.
That's fucked. So the anomaly has LED
researchers to believe there's something about congenital
blindness that in fact protects people from developing
schizophrenia. But what, you ask?
(31:00):
I'm sure there are two ideas, cognition and vision.
Yep. Yep, because they have a lack of
vision. People born blind learn to
overcompensate at an early age by heightening all their other
senses. Makes sense.
So the belief is that these kinds of enhanced skills have a
protective effect from developing the exact opposite
(31:23):
impairments which come with schizophrenia.
Again, visual hallucinations. So better example, does with
schizophrenia have a hard time processing the sound of speech
and where it's coming from? So it's a it's a kind of a sound
deficit, like localization that can make it difficult for them
(31:44):
to even realize that the sound that they're hearing could be
their own voice. So legitimately cannot figure
out where the voices are coming from makes sense.
And obviously that can contribute to people having
delusions. On the other hand, scientists
also hypothesize that when someone is from birth that the
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brain is conditioned to make sense of all the other sensory
information that's coming in by relying on like their other cues
to build a mental picture. So they they make it in their
mind instead of being able to see it, obviously.
So in theory they wouldn't make false predictions about the
(32:27):
world around them, IE hallucinations, and would be
less susceptible to having any kind of psychotic symptoms.
Very fascinating. So in effect, they're protected
from the false visual cues. And currently there's only
treatments. Again, it's not curable.
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The treatments for schizophreniaare individually tailored
medication, counseling. And then there's that source
that I lost earlier. They were do they're starting
their own study and I think it was with about 40.
No, it was with 60 people and they split the group in half.
I think it was like 29 and 31 inthe groups, but they were doing
(33:12):
like counseling and talk therapy.
And then the other group, they would come in three to four
times a week for 30 minute sessions.
And they were essentially playing cognition, strengthening
computer games and and things like that.
Because the idea behind it is that if you can reinforce
cognition, that it can help lessen the noise, the noise in
(33:37):
kind of like just building, working a muscle, making it
stronger so you can find key points and really like focus on
that and kind of make that your,your pillar of lucidity in a
sense. Yeah.
And it's pretty new. It's only been going on from
what I remember. I could be wrong on this, but
for only like a couple of years.So still very new but I was
(34:01):
like. That's Do you remember how long
they were going to do the study for?
I don't know if they even said OK, just ongoing.
I remember ongoing. That would be interesting.
I'm curious to see what the results would be with that.
Right, Very interesting. That is so fascinating.
Yeah, 'cause really it's it's all just counseling, talk
therapy and medication. So trying to see if work and
(34:23):
cognition can help it and like that's.
I mean, why not? Might as well.
Try, really try, anything and everything you know.
Well, so as long as it's humane.Well, yeah, obviously.
Come on. Ethics and morals, people.
Ethics and morals. That's so fascinating this, but
just the the the fact that nobody blind has had a has been
(34:45):
diagnosed with schizophrenia ever like that's been recorded
is just fascinating, incredible.It definitely feels like that
should be researched heavily. Yeah.
And I mean, just knowing that first study that's in the works,
the people working on the that have the technology now to have
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brain tissue, living brain tissue that they don't have to
have a patient, a living patientfor or even a dead patient to be
able to do different tests and things like that on.
And then this cognition test or study, I'm just like those three
things together can potentially be so massive and
(35:28):
groundbreaking. Yeah, all, and they're different
areas, but all for schizophrenia.
It's like, that's incredible. Science is wicked cool.
That is really fucking cool. Makes me wish I would have paid
more attention, but yeah, there you have it.
I love that I was. Low down on schizophrenia for
you? Yeah, well, and the fact that
there's people actually activelyresearching it, looking into it,
(35:50):
and very, very, very cool. I mean, the fact that at any
given time around 41 million people are afflicted with
schizophrenia also blew my mind.It's a pretty massive number.
It's a. Lot of people like you said
Yemen, Canada, Canada, whole population would be around.
(36:10):
That yeah, it just, that's crazy, that is.
I'm so glad you looked that up. Such a help with perspective.
Like, yeah, cuz 41 million, yeah, that's a lot, but I don't
know what the fuck that looks like.
Exactly. I feel.
And that's kind of how I am withstuff like that.
I'm like, OK, well what's something else that's like this
so that can give me an idea and like put it in perspective and
(36:30):
kind of be able to kind of graspit and see that.
Yeah, that's cool. What'd you guys think of that?
Do you guys all learn something?I know you all learned
something. Stop.
How could you not, right? Are you kidding me?
Did you know there was a correlation between blindness
and and schizophrenia and the fact that if you're blind you
don't have it? Yeah, cuz like thinking about
it, you're like, OK, well, yeah,I guess that kind of makes
(36:51):
sense, but. But at the same time, but if you
don't know what actually causes it and it's hereditary, then
why? Because, you know, there's the
auditory part of the hallucinations as well, which
clearly doesn't require vision. Yeah, But like the one guy was
saying is like, you know, if you've never seen yourself and
you don't know, you know, but I feel like you still, you know
(37:12):
what your voice sounds like. And then you hear other people's
voices and stuff too. I don't know.
It's just. It's amazing that the vision is
like the key. Right, Doesn't it?
It kind of feels like it's the key.
Yeah, cuz even like it, it's just crazy to think that you can
be born blind and you can be kind of predisposed.
(37:35):
Yeah. Thank you for having
schizophrenia and that you wouldn't even develop the
auditory. Yeah, like what I know.
What is it about the vision in that?
Yeah, And was it like a? Constant input of information
from our eyes. So then I'm also makes me think
because, OK, so blind people have never been diagnosed with
(37:57):
schizophrenia. So does that mean that deaf
people have, oh, that's a, you know, so like it, you know, and
if that's the case, so then it really is just a visual
component. I'm going to have to do a quick
little search. OK, so short answer.
Yes, we we just did a little bitof a little search and we both
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came up with the same answer. Yes, deaf people have been
diagnosed with schizophrenia. They are just a little bit more
difficult to diagnose because ofthe communication barrier and it
presents a little bit differently.
Yeah, which is also. So again, vision is the key.
I can't wait till more is discovered.
Me either that I know I'm kind of feeling a little bit
(38:41):
impatient right now. Right.
I'm sure the scientists studyingit are also.
Very interesting. That was such a fascinating
topic, sister. Yeah, I like that.
That was good. Good job.
Nothing like good old mentee beedisorder.
I love that. I love that.
So you guys, we are, we are going to play a game here in
(39:03):
just a few minutes, but. A new game, too.
Yeah, a new game. We'll see how it goes.
It's not going to be good going to tell you that right now.
No ones gonna be winning, exceptmaybe.
This room anyway, yeah. Maybe you guys.
You guys might win. We're both gonna lose anyway.
Anyway, so we, like we said, aregonna be changing some things
(39:25):
up, going with a little bit shorter episodes.
We are gonna be having guests onhere soon, but we would really,
really, really love your feedback.
What kind of people do you want us to talk to and interview and
interact with? Are you looking for, like,
comedians, maybe somebody who used to be in a cult?
I don't know, Somebody who loves, like, you know,
(39:46):
conspiracy theories or cryptids or chiropractors.
Just OK. I don't know.
Just whatever, like who? But I mean, keep it relevant to
what we like to talk about. I mean, we talk about sex and
dating and relationships and then, you know.
Are you or anyone you know a professional matchmaker?
(40:07):
Yeah, you know, just something like that.
I would love to, I would love tohear who you guys want to hear
us talk to and and learn more from.
But then you could also send us your questions and we can ask
them for you. Exactly.
It would be very exciting, but we are gearing up literally
getting gear to be ready to not only have guests, but to also
(40:33):
turn this into a video podcast so that you can look at our
beautiful faces. And all the stupid ones that we
make. Exactly so it.
Should be It should be fun. There are some very exciting and
fun changes coming and also alsoalso also also we did get a
couple cool little. Sauce box podcasts.
(40:54):
We did merge things. Yeah, you want to tell them
about it? Yeah, yeah.
So we through a site, we got to do some samples, yes, of
products and we got 4 air fresheners.
The scents were intense. Yep, yes.
Very intense, yeah. I think, you know, if it was in
(41:16):
a car, it'd be much. I think you could probably put
it in a room and it would make the whole room smell.
They're they're strong, so you'dprobably need to air them out.
Unless you're a person that is just like, yeah, fucking punch
me in the face with scent baby. Let's go drown me then.
Yeah, but we're they have a longlist of different, well, not a
(41:38):
long list, but they get a list of different scents that we're
potentially going to work through.
Yep. See what ones we actually want
to offer to you guys. Yeah, exactly.
And then you can decide what youwant to do with if you want to
put it in your car, air it out first, or if you just want to
put it in your bathroom or whatever, wherever free will.
But it will have our it will have our amazing sauce box logo
(42:00):
on it. And then we also got stickers.
They look so good. I'm already sporting one on my
water bottle. I'm very excited about it.
You know, I would too if I had more space.
I know you, you kind of already got your water bottle all
stickered up. Yeah, so when they start falling
off, I'll be able to put one of ours on.
Right. So we are and we did this kind
(42:20):
of sample just to see what they look like, see how we feel about
them. But we are going to be creating
some window vinyl stickers because I like stickers
occasionally for my car, but I only ever put them on my window
because I ain't trying to fuck on my paint.
But we are going to be getting stickers that are safe to put on
(42:41):
water bottles or glasses or whatever you want to put it on.
And they will be dishwasher safe, indoor, outdoor safe.
So literally they're UV so you can just, they're not going to
fade, they're not going to peel.They're just going to be real
good. Stick em on there and love em
and then you can just. It's cool 'cause the they're
matte, but then there's parts ofem that are glossy, glossy and.
(43:03):
A little bit textured, raised, just.
A little bit, just a little. Bit they're, they're very good
guys. We're very excited about this.
So once we once we kind of nail that down, which we are very,
very close to doing, we are going to have our very first
giveaway, which is going to be super, super, super, super,
super, super excited fun. So yeah, it's going to be it's
(43:24):
going to be a good time. So.
Look forward that something to look forward to.
Yeah. And hopefully we will have that
for you guys by next month. I'm thinking is we could
probably start doing a little giveaway here and there for
y'all. At least a little a.
Little slum, slum, little taster, little taste.
Yeah. You know, taste test giveaway.
Exactly, exactly. And flavors excluded.
(43:45):
Something that something that weare kind of considering too is
doing. So with this giveaway, it's
going to be, you know, tag us inyour story, share us, tag some
friends in the comments, that kind of thing.
Kind of just like how you see a lot of local businesses, how
they'll do giveaways and stuff to kind of spread the word and,
(44:06):
and listeners and stuff like that.
And ours will be similar to that.
You know, it'll be like leaving us a review, giving us a rating
and sending the screenshot, thatkind of stuff.
And we'll be going from there. But it's going to get a little
bit bigger because we do want to, we do want to make it worth
it for you guys. And we want to give you some
good merch, not just like a sticker air freshener, but some
shit you can actually wear so. Yeah.
(44:29):
So initially maybe. Some like shirts or hoodies in
there and stuff too. But right now we're just, we had
to get our, we had to get our logo on lock and then just
testing out and just testing out, you know, merch from a
couple different vendors to see,see what we like and what fits
with what we're trying to do and.
Yeah. So initially it'll be something
(44:49):
small, but we're working on the the real nice.
Good. Something bad?
Yeah, yeah. Giveaways.
It'll be good. It'll be good.
I'm very excited. So be excited.
For us and for yourselves, because some of you are going to
win some shit. That's right, you are going to
win some shit. It's going to be good.
All right well, always you guys share the podcast with other
(45:12):
people. I know there are some of you out
there who are always telling people about us and we.
Love it for it we. Thank you.
And yes, we need to just, I knowwho a couple of you are, so
we'll be sending you some shit for free just regardless,
because we know all the love andwork you're doing and, and you
know, spread the love. For us, you don't got to enter a
giveaway. You got some free shithead in
your way. You know who you is.
(45:34):
Yeah, so you won't be one of those people.
Chop, chop, chop, chop. Get on it.
In the meantime, we're going to get ready to play a game.
Oh, guys. Fingers crossed.
Sheesh. Thoughts and prayers.
All right. Hey, Samara bought a new game.
(45:56):
Samara, what is the game called?Poorly explained movies.
A game. OK, OK, so I'm going to just
kind of read the very humorous rules that came with this, just
to give you guys an idea of whatthis is.
So the objective, has your mom ever forgotten the name of a
movie that she just watched and decided to describe it to you
instead? Well, that's this game in a
(46:20):
nutshell. You are going to try to identify
popular movies from the worst descriptions possible before
your friends, family, and any other random strangers that you
happen to be playing with. Oh, that's you.
Yes, number of players. How many people can you play
with? Well, that really depends on how
many people you want to hang outwith at any given time.
It's pretty flexible. For a truly competitive game
(46:43):
though, you'll need at least three people, and probably less
than 10, mainly because it givesus anxiety just thinking about
it. That said, two people are still
perfect for playing the casual mode, as you'll see.
So for casual mode, which I fucking love this, it was so
funny. First, get some drinks.
(47:04):
This is very important. Now drink them.
You're doing great so far. Now sit around with your friends
and randomly pick a card. Yell, answer.
Yell answers as loudly and as passionately as your current
level of intoxication allows. Everyone wins, except maybe your
neighbors. And I will tell you guys, Samara
and I, oh boy, just took out twocards each and we sucked.
(47:29):
But Samara's going to read you some of the examples that are on
the outside of the box, just to give you an idea of how this
works. Yeah, and how poorly this is
going to go. Yeah.
So on the box, there's one that says a goose suddenly dies and
it makes everyone really depressed.
What's that movie? What is it?
So you guys know it's Top Gun? That's the goose.
(47:51):
That's the goose. Another one is a janitor writes
all over school property AKA goodwill hunting.
Yeah, never would have got that.A single father loses his son,
but he finds him at the dentist.Finding Nemo.
New drying session ends with everyone being cold.
Titanic. This is the Titanic.
(48:13):
So yeah, the. All the movies are from 1980,
nineteen, 3737 all the way up to2019.
Yeah. I was like, I don't know, he's
that old. No shit, I know.
Like fucked. Wait, when did A Streetcar Named
Desire come out? I know that one, but I.
Was that? I don't know.
I don't know when that came out.Wasn't it black and white?
(48:35):
And I can't even honestly tell you what it was about, really.
I just know Marlon Brando. And he was abusive, Yeah, so.
You know we're gonna go let's probably do 6 cards each
roughly. Yeah.
Can't imagine we're just gonna go slow.
Yeah. OK so go ahead raise your first
(48:55):
card, sister. OK, so each of these cards they
have the. Clue and then there's also a
hint and then the year of the movie and then the name of the
movie. So because we are gonna not be
very good at this, I'm gonna just just give the hint.
Like the hint. They get the description, the
hint and the year and then see if Samara can get it from there.
(49:17):
Please do the same for me. I will.
OK, gladly. A man in a suit loves to go
cycling. Hint.
He also has a bow tie. Year 1985.
You don't need to tell me the year.
It's not going to help me. I have no idea.
Pee Wee's big. Adventure.
Oh fuck, get out of here. All right, 2 old guys get into a
(49:40):
fight. Hint, they go ice fishing. 02
Grumpy old men. Fuck off.
Wait, was that right? Oh my God, I love that.
OK. What the fuck?
Two friends owe a big worm some money.
Hint for drugs. Oh my gosh.
What is that like? Tremors.
So many of you guys know this movie, no?
(50:01):
Is this Star Wars? No, it's Friday.
Oh yeah, OK. I've seen clips.
I've never actually. I know.
I was like, that would have beenbetter for me to have that one.
I feel Jason yelling at us, yelling at me.
I don't know if Jason would haveknown Friday.
I don't know, but I feel it. Yeah.
(50:22):
Jason, let me know. Yeah.
Am I wrong about this too? Oh my gosh.
OK, OK, a woman wants a divorce from her childhood sweetheart.
Hint, he makes lightning art. Oh, sweet home, Alabama.
Fuck you shit, I am right in theass.
Fire. Fuck this is great.
(50:42):
This. Is.
Horseshit. What's happening?
OK, I hate it here. 2 OK, two people missed their train in
order to take a walk instead. Hint while in Europe.
I don't know this one either. It's called Before Sunrise.
Never even heard of. That yeah, me either in 1995.
(51:05):
All right, well, a chef tries toeat a sandwich, but his
housekeeper interrupts him. Hint.
They end up kissing. No idea.
Spanglish. Oh, that's such a good movie.
I was good enough. I do like that movie.
It was really good. All right.
An oblivious man helps a kid embrace his talents.
(51:28):
Hint, there are ghosts. I see dead people.
Six cents, Yes, Hallelujah, I got 1.
Let me put that aside for you. Thank you.
OK, thank you. I need that.
All right. A what?
Hold on a boss. A boss blackmails their
assistant into marriage. Hint for a green card.
(51:52):
Oh, that is the. Proposal.
Yeah, I hate you so much. So fucking good I.
Hate you, we're fighting. OK, a man loses something
important in the toilet. Hint, a baby is on the ceiling.
What? Oh my God.
(52:14):
Fucking excuse me? I I've never seen this movie.
I've heard of it. I've never seen it, so I can't.
Even give you give me the year. It's 1996.
Oh Nope, I have no idea. It's.
Trainspotting. Nope, never even heard of it.
Yeah, the fuck? All right, Twin girls ruin a
young woman's chance at love. Oh, come on.
(52:34):
While camping. Wait, what is it twin girls?
What? Twin girls ruin a young woman's
chance at love while camping. Sounds like a Lindsay Lohan
movie. Yeah, I actually would have
known this one. I feel like I can see.
I don't know the name of it though.
Why you don't get this then it'sthe parent trap.
Oh right, OK. I could not remember what it was
(52:55):
called. Shit OK, grown men fight over
who has a better magic trick. Hint, there's a twin.
Oh, I can see it in my. Head grown men fight over who
has a better magic trick. Hint, there's a twin.
I've never seen it so I don't. I can't give.
(53:15):
I know what the movie is but I don't know the name.
I'm gonna go with the magician, but the Prestige thank yes.
Damn it, that was such a good movie too.
Sucks that you didn't know that.I know I could see in my head,
which is real frustrating. A man disrupts a family's trip
with his thirst for knowledge. Hint, it's animated.
(53:36):
What's the? Year. 1999.
I don't know. Tarzan.
Never would have guessed that. Yeah, 'cause his parents end up
dying. OK, a man having a midlife
crisis gets a lot of tattoos. Hint, he takes Polaroids too.
I don't know. I'd know this one too, even
(54:00):
without seeing it. I have no idea.
Memento, you never Oh, you got to watch it.
Especially since yeah, it's it'sgood.
Never even heard of it. It's good man.
A son saves the family business from his evil stepmom and there
are bees everywhere. Gavin would be screaming right
(54:22):
now. I have no idea.
Tommy Boy. Oh my God.
She likes that movie. All right, an infertile couple
finally gets a child hint. They steal it.
This is old. It's 1987.
Why do I keep getting such old ones?
It's not even that old. It's what you do with kids and
(54:46):
then the kids name is the name of a state.
What you would do with a kid? And it's what you do with kids.
Like if you have a kid, you do this with them and then it's the
name of the state. If you're a parent, you are.
Oh, it's on the tip of my tongueraising something.
Fuck. State starts with an A Alabama.
(55:07):
Nope, try again. Alaska.
Oh my God, this is raising Arizona.
Arizona. I tried.
That's what I said. Whatever, man.
OK, an orphan boy finds a household item that changes his
life forever and it's animated. Why is that the hint?
Narrows it down. No, I don't know Aladdin.
(55:31):
Oh. My God the fuck this.
A man is angry after the death of his dog.
Hint. So he kills people.
John Wick. Thank you.
I'm like, bitch, you better. Oh, did you see though there is
a new John Wick? It's like from the world of John
Wick called Ballerina. What?
(55:51):
No, I just watched the preview. It looks so fucking.
Good. I have not seen that.
Looks so fucking good. OK think you might get this one.
OK a cute pet stays up too late partying with his friends.
Hint they cause a lot of death. 1984 I can see the scenes in my
head. I had no idea.
Gremlins. Oh my God.
(56:12):
Right? Shit.
Damn it. OK, a dozen people fail to get
out of jury duty. Hint it's in black and white.
Fuck 1957. I'm not gonna know that. 12
angry men. That makes sense.
Yeah, that does make sense. All right, last one each.
(56:34):
All right, I've never even heard.
Of this has been doing good on this.
Do you guys know what any of these are?
Have you gotten any of them at all?
This is not a game for winners. No, but shut up.
How many have you gotten? Right.
I don't know. So many.
Three. I think you have two.
Whatever. Anyway, a family takes a dead
animal home only to discover that it's still alive.
(56:56):
That's hint it has big feet. Oh, Harry and the Hendersons.
Fuck off. Oh my God, you bitch.
Yes, OK. Well done.
Thank you. OK, let me find something that
you can get here. Jesus.
So it's. Going to make it hurt more.
If you think I can get in, then I don't.
(57:18):
Well, I'm going to find something that I feel like you
would know. Maybe you're on card, what, 15?
Well, first of all, I'm looking at these years.
I'm like, Jesus, I'm getting like all these old ones now.
Right. Did I get like the newer half of
the stack? Do you watch a lot of animated
some? Yeah.
(57:39):
I was not. You can throw an animated one at
me. This.
All right? This is gonna have to do.
OK. A boy hangs out in a junkyard
with his space friend. It's animated, Wally.
No, there's no humans. And well, I guess there are
humans in Wally, but no. Say it again.
A boy hangs out in a junkyard with his space friend.
(58:00):
Is it ET. No, I know that's terrible.
It was the Iron Giant. Oh, oh, that might be so sad.
I know. Well, you guys, Samara got 2.
I think I got 4. You got 4.
So out of 11 cards each, I got 4, right?
And Samara got two. Yeah.
Not good. Those are just not very good
(58:20):
odds for us. We suck at this.
We really suck at this game. But you know, it's fine.
It's everything's fine. This game is just going to be
multiple slices of humble pie. Yeah, served again and again and
smashed in your face, Yeah. We all know how I feel about
food being smashed in faces. That's right.
It's dangerous. Not good.
I took the sticks out. Whatever SO hurts me on the
(58:42):
inside. All right, you guys.
Well, we will be back again nextweek and we thank you for
joining. Us, yes.
And next week we are going to bedoing Installment 4 of Exploring
Sexual Flavors. Yes, that'll be fun.
I will be talking about exhibitionism.
Samara doesn't know what she's going to talk about yet, but
it'll be a surprise. It'll sure it'll be something
very weird and odd and disturbing.
(59:04):
So I'm going to keep you guys onyour toes.
That's right. It's going to be good.
And then we will also be giving our book Rex as well, which is
going to be good. Yeah, that's good.
Yeah, it's going to be good. And then I can tell you guys all
about Matt Rife also because. I mean, that's going to be fun
to hear. About it'll be fresh in my mind
because we record on Sunday and I will have seen him on Saturday
(59:24):
so. Oh, Speaking of Matt Rice, No,
no, not that Annabelle asshole, No.
I said no, no means. No.
I was just going to say that. People were getting mad that
they were pretty sure like him and the other guy weren't
(59:45):
actually going to take like proper care of Annabelle and the
sense of. Respect and the fact that she's
an evil thing from hell. Yeah, and doing like, proper
cleansing and like, reinforcement of like,
protections and shit. And that they felt like him and
that other guy were just really flippant about it.
(01:00:05):
And so many people from the paranormal world were like no
fucking seriously you need to get someone who has knowledge in
this to actually do proper cleansings.
And protections. But don't you think if they're
going to be entrusting the care of Annabelle to somebody, they
will have already gone over thiswith them and the importance of
(01:00:28):
it and whatever like? Me and that people are going to
take it serious though. I know, but I feel like you know
some people. Just want to be attracts.
Oh yeah. I don't know, I've seen Matt
Rife in a lot of interviews and he might come off like in his
comedy as like this dumb immature kid or whatever, but.
He's he's fingers crossed. He's pretty intelligent and
pretty grounded. I I'm not.
(01:00:48):
And he's religious, so I don't see him playing with that.
Let's hope, yeah. Let's hope otherwise he might
get possessed. Who knows?
Fuck off, you're such a whore. I'm just saying, all right, Love
you guys. Whatever, bye.
Such an asshole. Listen to us on Spotify and
YouTube. Fuck you Apple.
(01:01:08):
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