Episode 02A: "What's in a Bridgerton?": Overall Impressions + Violet and Edmund Bridgerton

Dearest Gentle Mayfairers,

It has been said to beware the grass greener on the other side... but in these authors' opinions, one family could be a true exception.

This family happens to be the eponymous Bridgertons- a family with highly amusing members, an epic love story at its core through the beloved matriarch Violet Bridgerton (née Ledger) and the gone but never forgotten Edmund Bridgerton.

In this episode, we delve into the overall impressions of the Bridgertons as Mayfair's most prestigious family, Violet Bridgerton as a mother of multitudes and Edmund, the spectre of Bridgerton Past, Relevant Present and Future as determined by the Bridgerton children's unique love stories.

In other news, we determine whether Jo's singing voice makes her fit well into the Smythe-Smith family or perhaps one that could be in fierce competition with opera's prima donna Sienna Rossa, a scandalous debate about the upcoming season 4, and little gems that even a pious abstainer from gossip will be hungry for.

Yours truly,

The Whistledowners

Episode Transcript

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Dearest gentle listeners, we arethe Whistledowners.
Like our predecessor Lady Whistledown, who breathed down
the necks of 1800s Mayfair society, we are 4 headstrong
women. On this podcast, we'll analyze
and discuss the complex and eyeball catching escapade that
is the hit Netflix show Bridgerton.
Join us as we delve deeply into the show's plots, themes,

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characters, and more. Are you ready?
Let's begin. Hello, everyone.
Hi, guys. Hi.
Hi. How have you all been?
I'm a little jet lagged, it's been like 5 days since I got

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back from the UK and I'm still feeling good but it's nice to be
home. All right.
And so for our listeners, welcome back.
I'm Joe. Rocks.
I'm spoiler and I'm Elle. Right and welcome back we're

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we're officially called the whistle Downers and we're here
on our second episode. Congratulations if you survived
us. I'm our first episode.
Sorry. It was a bit of a little dark
humor. I'm a little bit of a dark humor
person. So anyway, how have you all

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been? And it's such an exciting week
to be in as part of the Bridgeton fandom as AI.
Don't know what the fans are called.
Maybe is it Mayfares or Bridgetoners I don't know.
I don't know. I think we called it Mayfairs
and it's very hard for me to pronounce, so I love it.
Honestly, it's hard for me to pronounce, but I'm the native.

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English awesome. OK, so I mean, oh, captain, our
captain, our beloved lady whistle down, Penelope
Featherington has just celebrated the anniversary of
her engagement yesterday, the 16th and we've got not one but
two seasons renewal of Bridgetonand we got season 4 of first

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look between our couple Banofi. That's so that's a lot of
content for this week, right? I know, yeah, it was, it was
almost, you know, overwhelming and then it just kept going and
going and going. But you know, I was there when
before season 3 dropped when they just dropped randomly about

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8 stills at the same time. So I'm kind of used to it and
because, you know, yeah, it was like there was radio silence and
then there was just promo and promo and constant promo.
So I definitely kind of envy benefit because I think they had
it, you know, more consistent regarding the promo.

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But I really, really, really like the first look we got and
we will get to it. But I just wanted to say that I
think it's great. There are some, you know,
tidbits which I might, you know,get into, but overall I'm very,
very, very satisfied. Yeah, actually, I don't know if
those noticed it in the preview.When you hear that, I think it's

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their team, right Then when Benedict sees Sophie for the
first time and I I'd spoken about it, but if you hear it,
it's something like that. That's it's so if.
You're renditions. It's it's a scalic passage,
which is like a staircase. It's considered like a staircase

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in music. And staircase is one of the
motives for bell for bell because downstairs.
So that was a very, very clever musical motif.
Chris Powers is a genius when? He yeah, he sure is.
Yeah, definitely, yeah. And yeah, so shall we begin?

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Let's let's go on. And we're here to talk about.
I mean, they are the epicenter. They like their name, like the
show is named after them. They like the log line revolves
around them. And it is the Brigittans, the
very chaotic, very endearing family that is the, you know,

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it's been nucleus, right? It's like the center of this
entire global phenomenon. So we're going to analyze
everything about them, their overall impressions, the
matriarch, patriarch and each ofthe siblings as much as we can.
So let's get flowing. But wait before that, let's play
a little game because I think everybody liked our this or

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that. I think what we did played in
our previous episode. So to affiliate ourselves within
the town, we're going to form a name.
And it's it's not like the gamesthat you find on Instagram.
We've put a little differently. So we're going to choose which
kind of family we would be in. So just try to elaborate where

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first name is based on the female artist, like the latest
song that we've heard. Not just female artists.
Hopefully it can be a male artist.
Sorry I didn't clarify this. And then the last name would be
the last name of our favorite movie or TV show character who
would like to go first. I'll go first so mine would be

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Beyoncé Crane. I was listening to a clean
version of Texas Holdem with my three-year old in the car last
night. It's now 8:00 in the morning, so
I haven't had a chance to listento any music today.
He really likes pop and I reallylike Beyoncé.
So you know, we have, we have a common interest there.

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And then Crane, because my favorite show of all time is
Frasier, and they are the Crane family.
Wow. Speaking of families, OK,
somebody else go Ella, what about you?
So I've been listening to Eurovision songs because it's

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the finals is coming up to today.
It depends when you yesterday, Today.
We dropped out basically. So yeah, yeah, I love.
Eurovision I know I'm not. I live in Ireland, so that's why
I'm into it. But anyways, I was listening to
the song from Luanne. OK, my English accent.
Don't come for me, please, Luanne.

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And then I was choose Keating because I was just recently I
watched Deadpool society in my favorite movie, John Keating,
and like he's my favorite teacher and Joe mentioned Oh,
captain, my captain earlier. So I was like, oh, that ties it
in. So I'll probably be Miss Luan
Keating, which kind of is prettycool because I don't always

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listen to female artists. It just worked.
Out. Oh, that's wonderful.
OK spoiler, why don't you go next?
All right, so I introduce my lady and her name is Katniss
O'Neill. And this will be very funny
because Katniss is actually, no,the interpreter because I was

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listening to. Are you, are you coming to the
tree most recently? Yeah.
And I thought that, you know, it's better to put Katniss here
than Jennifer. So that's Katniss for you.
When it comes to O'Neill, I knowthat I'm like very jumping and

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like around regarding the genre,but I know I have very different
favorite characters basically each week and I'm a long time
Stargate fan. This.
Is very different than my get it, but you know every time when
I feel down, I just listen to snarky Jack O'Neill.

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So I I recommend to everyone. You don't need any context to
that show. He's very entertained, just
like, and that's basically so Joe wanna go?
Right, I'll, I'll close it out. So I would be I would be the
daughter of a baronet or a Baronwith Trevor and I would be

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missed. Hailee Kubelik.
So Hailee after Hailee Steinfeldbecause I was just listening to
her newest song, Dangerous from the Sinner soundtrack.
Excellent movie, by the way. I really enjoyed it.
And Kubelik is after one of my my favorite movies of all time,
The Apartment. It's a 1960 film after Shirley

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Maclaine's character. That's a great movie.
I love that movie. It's it's the, it's the reason
why I wanted to study film. Oh, that's amazing.
Oh, that's awesome. Yeah.
All right, So ladies, shall we begin?
Let's go. OK, Richardtons, let's start

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with overall impressions. How would you describe them when
they first came on your screen, in whatever capacity?
I have to say that first scene, the show does such a good job of
making you fall in love with them instantly, right?
Because in the very first scene,you get the little, like, banter
between the siblings when they're waiting for Daphne to

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come down for her presentation. So you hear them kind of
creeping at each other. And Colin is like, everyone
knows she likes me more than you, Benedict.
And you know, And then Elle saysthe whole the bat, possibly the
best line the show has ever had,you must make case.
You know, it's like it's so goodand you can instantly tell that

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they're like a happy family, butthat they're also it's like has
realism, right, the way that they're kind of like making
jokes at each other's expense. And there is a certain like
aspect of fantasy, I think to the show that is just not beyond
just the romance. That's about like the fantasy of
being part of a big happy family.

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Yeah. You know, And I think that that
really the first scene, especially because the very
first scene of the show, I thinkvery intentionally is of the
feathering tents, right. And not not a very happy family.
And so you see the kind of difference in vibe.
I thought that that was such an interesting choice, like they're
setting up what is the norm in their in their society, which is

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like not a very happy family, not a very functional family.
And then you see the kind of like ideal, beautiful, happy,
wonderful Bridgerton's next. Yeah, actually to follow up on
your point, I'll just, I'll justcapitalize on that point.
That's an excellent point. Rocks.
I what I wanted to say is that I've written here enviable yet
complicated. So I think it's, it's a very

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enviable family because the factis, I mean, I mean, everybody
wants to get into the Britons like the and some people do it
for selfish reasons because it'sa Viscount at sea.
And even if you've not married Anthony, to be connected to that
family is a big, it's like a bigimage.
Like what's it called? Like a varnish of sorts.

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You know, it kind of to be in that sphere is like a feat in
and of itself. Yeah.
And but. But when you go because because
I think with season 2, it reallytore apart what exactly this
family had gone through. And this complications that come
with it be it because it's it's I think every family has that.

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Like this, this singularly happyfamily is plagued by this single
traumatic event of losing their patriarch.
And not just losing, like them losing him prematurely, it's
losing it in the most absurd wayin their, in their perspective,
which is a bee sting having like, it's just a very innocuous

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like a regular thing, not knowing that it's an allergy
reaction and losing their patriarchs.
So I think, I think from the tans perspective, they're very
enviable, but when you get to know them internally, they're
very complicated. So.
Yeah, sorry. I just wanted to say that rocks
made a very good point because we are first introduced with

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Featheringtons, but even more weare introduced with Vessel Downs
Outlook. And this is based, of course,
pens and we get kind of biased almost, you know, this perfect
idealized version of Bridgeton's.
And you know, yes, we see it andof course they're heavily
idealized, but they're really like the fact that the whole

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season, the whole show starts with this biased, very biased
approach of girl who, you know, is best friend of Elle, who is
crushing on Colin, you know, herentire life or you know, half of
her life. So I really like the contrast.
And yes, we of course see and see their idealized, you know,

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scenes and interactions and it'sa very idyllic environment.
But it's not until, you know, season 2 when we actually see
the past, you know, Edmund dying, how it impacted them.
And we only get the glimpses of it in Season 1.
And what I wanted to maybe touchupon is the fact that I'm not

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certain how we know it's with your media, but I'm coming from
Czech perspective. So I'm more used to kind of, you
know, these very complicated toxic family dynamics, which are
also kind of emulative of the real life.
And it's not like that there arebad families.
It's more of a, you know, we do not, you know, we're going to

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shelter each other and be very angry with one another.
But at the end of the day, we'restick together.
But with Wichitans, you, you, you know, see them and they
rarely argue about anything. Even if there is some issue,
it's, you know, very minor. So in a way, yeah, it's, it kind

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of ties to the genre perhaps. But I also wonder, you know,
whether this is because I think many people do not really even
care about the romance of the show, even, you know, if the
romance is good when they are just tight and entranced in this
familiar dynamics. I think from a from a writer's
perspective, I think because of after like reading a lot of

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research, I think the one thing that ties in with audiences is
that when you see a family drama, right, it's like a social
experience. When a family is the like the
core of the entire series, it's because it's kind of like, I
don't want to hope that I don't want to piss anyone.
So because the audience, especially with what you face in

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your, the social structure of your personal life, right,
there's going to be a comparisonbecause you try to lock, like
lock into something very tangible when comparing
something. So it's kind of like, you know,
we don't have dinners like this,We don't play games like this.
There is, there's always like a comparison, which sometimes is

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good and sometimes is bad. And actually what I what I
really wanted to say, I wanted to capitalize on spoiler like
your point spoiler about they don't they really argue.
But I do think that they unintentionally bring a lot of
trauma unintentionally because Ithink you could see it with,
we'll talk about this with Colinand Eloise as Eloise.

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They're perfectly yeah. He will be as insufferable as
you. He's been insufferable since
returning from Green. And it's, it's, it's not, it's
very unintentional. She's not like seeing it like to
spite him. It's just that.
I think it's debatable. Sorry.

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Yeah. But it it is like it's something
that is treated as a joke. It's kind of like jokingly
saying it, but it. A different thing.
She cares about him and this is actually, you know, something
which she needs and which she gets from the interaction with
him. And I think deeper down he knows
that and she understands that. Colin knows that.
I'm not saying he's her favoritebrother.

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I think that the show made the deliberate choice to make
Benedict her favorite brother. But I think Colin, you know,
yes, I plan to do deep dive on it.
I think he gives her something which Benedict can't do.
Sorry. I I know that we should stick.
Yeah. Yeah.
No, we, we'll do a bigger thing,I bet.
I think what is I think they're closer in each because C&E and

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the fact is I think they're, they're much more.
I've done this like there's a pollen and filloise square
analysis where I did like where I analyzed each of the dynamics.
Wonderful. They're very similar with each
other and we we get into that, we get into that.
I hear you, though, that they just like, right.

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I mean, this is an aspect of theshow.
It's so interesting because the show a little bit, like all
great TV shows, has it a little bit both ways, where there is an
aspect of the Bridgerton. So it's so aspirational for the
audience that it's like, oh, I wish I could be in this family.
And I just want to be in the drawing room drinking tea with
Violet, you know? And they're complicated.
They do have trauma. They do hurt each other, even

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unintentionally. And I think that one of the
most, the most well written aspects of these sibling
relationships between multiple siblings is the ways in which
they unintentionally hurt each other.
Just like regular, you know, I have a sister I'm close to and
we are hurting each other's feelings all the time, pissing
each other off all the time without meaning to.
And sometimes the things that your siblings say to you or that

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your parents say to you can like, unintentionally cut so
deep, you know? I think, I think many people
don't seem to acknowledge this, but it's like, because when I
say some things like let's see, if I hypothetically say the
words trauma, abuse enablers, we're always taking it in the

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negative aspect. But The thing is, is that
sometimes it's even even when it's the most positive
relationship, there is going to be some trauma, especially when
it's abruptly taken away. So I think I've said this before
in the first episode. I love the show.
This Is Us. So we're going to go in like
other other complicated familiesthat we love besides the

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Bridgetans. So I think so have you guys like
heard of it? Do you know that the big.
Yeah, I've heard my parents actually are big fans of us, so
I've seen little bits and piecesof it here and there when I'm at
their. House but the but the aspect of
it is that it's different timelines, the 80's, the 90's,
the 2000s and these are three kids born on the same day.

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But there's one is a translational Dr. and two are
twins and it seems that they have very loving parents.
But as the show goes forward, there's a lot of things that
happen from the death, but not prematurely.
That's but it but it's very unexpected death of the
patriarch and we will get into Ithink because a lot of our Q&E

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revolved around what were the the effects like the shock waves
that came from Edmunds that so we will take in the latter half.
And so, yeah, I think the Pearsons, like the one great
episode of television and very accurate was when they go to
family therapy. That sounds great.

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Boy, we in the family of Bridgeton's without any therapy,
without any mental health. Oh, God.
Like the way that they make thatchanges that is exceptional,
like what they go through. So yeah, that was that was my
favorite family. Do you guys have any like
complicated families that you'd love to highlight, like with
similarities? It's it's hard with TVI was

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really trying to think about TV that had similar families and I
really had a hard time. Like I was trying to talk to my
husband about this and he was like, you know, they're kind of
like the Brady Bunch, you know, so like in the sense that it's
like a really bad family. And I was like that that does

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sort of make sense. I really resonated with, I think
spoiler, it was you who said that it, that they reminded you
of the Bennetts from Pride and Prejudice and maybe of the
Marches from Little Women. Because those definitely are
books that I read feeling like Iwish I could be in this family,
you know, I know they fight, I know they have trauma, I know

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they have, but I wish I could bein the Bennett's drawing room,
like arguing with my sister. The other example that I thought
of was Did anyone here read Anneof Green Gables?
Oh yeah. Okay, so I know her, yeah.
Later on in the Anne of Green Gables series she has six kids
and it and the later cut the last like 3 books 2 the last two

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books of the series last two to three books of the series.
It are is really about her family life and the story of her
children, and it is sort of similarly, they certainly have
their traumas like World War 1 happens and spoiler alert, you
know, World War One happens during the books and and the
Suns go off to war and stuff. But but it's such like a

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beautiful kind of aspirational family with these siblings that
like fight, but they also stick together And I that that's like
the feeling of coziness is like what I get when I watch
Bridgerton, but I but I feel like very few people have read
that deep into Anafi tables so. Yeah, when I was I.

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Was younger but I need to get back into it.
I I would love to take like bookrecommendations.
I really need to brush up on my literature.
And I just wanted to say that I'm not certain if I was the one
who brought, you know, the Bennett comparisons wasn't it at
all. Maybe it was all.
Was it you all who brought? Some Dennis, I don't know.

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I don't know. I think we all did.
Because we all, I think we did, but I'm not certain if I was the
first one because when I was wondering about this, I actually
thought of there is more less known Austin novel called
Mansfield Park. It's not very popular, but I
want to just say it's own thing,just say.

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But I wanted to highlight that there is this dynamic between
this Bertram family and they are, you know, this perfect
bitch. You know, they are attractive,
beautiful, rich title. But they are basically horrible.
Like the girls are spoiled. The one brother is just, you
know, throwing cash around. And the father, you know, is

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kind of not there. And the mother is not even there
like in any way. And then there is aunt, which is
Missus Norris. And she was most likely, you
know, the the literally influence between on Mrs. Norris
from Harry Potter, like basically one of the worst
literally characters ever. But I wanted to say that there

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is also prices and, you know, they're not idyllican anyway,
like, but there are 10 children and you can really see, you
know, the impact of having many kids in this time when you
didn't really have much money. And I wanted to touch upon this
because, you know, personal notes, my grandfather comes from

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eight children and from what I gathered, they were low income
family and his father was basically, you know, don't have
didn't have any work. So you know, it was all about
great grandmother who you know, took up after 8 children, most
of them boys, most of them you know, doing their own thing

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like. Yeah, I never.
Met her but you know, each time when we visit good grave I was
just like girl I would cook never.
I can't keep up with my one boy,so I can't imagine.
And they were actually known as the gang in, you know, the small
town they were living in. So yeah, I'm sorry.

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Continue. Thanks.
My mom is one of six and I wonder and I'm I'm one of two so
and I I love being around her family and I've at that.
I wonder whether part of the reason I love the beverage and
so much is that feeling of. Being.
All the aunts and uncles and cousins, like I've been trying
to like recreate that my whole life, you know, whole life.
But of course now I'm going to have like an only child, which

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is like something that's a. Little you feel like you're in
sitcom basically you, you know, you're here and everyone is, you
know, their own character and they're kind of try to vibe with
each other. Yes, it's great for Bridgettons
because they get along perfectly.
But I think that this is something which you know, often
is not in the television tune. I think that someone actually,

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you know, someone, you know, some reviewer or some journalist
even pointed out, well, maybe the part of the charm is just
the fact that there are 8 kids who, you know, interact and we
do not see it now because of course there are smaller
families and nothing against thepeople.
These days, in the Western worldespecially, are so lonely.
Sorry, in many ways you know. Yeah, definitely.

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So we're gonna get. In to this with episode 3, but I
think the ton with I mean the fact of the matter is they'd
rather have one or two kids because it's more formality.
We'll talk about marriages basically think the idea of
marriage in that society. So to have eight children and be

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in love and have a love match that that ideology is like, I
mean, it's impossible, I think. And a lot of a lot of us are
like, have you heard of this song?
They all laughed when Christopher Columbus, when you
said the world was brown. It's a it's a very classic song

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song. Everybody like laughed at these
inventions that and but it became so successful and it's
like like the idea of love. They laughed at me wanting you
something like that. I said I.
Was so you have such a beautifulvoice.
We're gonna have to make you sing more on the show.
Thank you. I'm done.

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Thank you. So the point is, yeah, like the
Bridgetans with their ideologiesof love, it's a very end that
that's also part of the envy ability.
All right, let's move on. Let's.
I think we should we go with theMatriarch.
Let's start with our Bridget andmatriarch Violet.
OK. Could I go 1st and say that when

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I saw her I had when I watched the entire season 1, I had to
say one, I admire her very much and two, I do not want to cross
violent Bridgeton when you make her angry.
Yes. I do not want.
Season 4 spoilers Well. Season no no Season 4.

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That. Was that was a joke 1000?
One the way she gave that cut direct to Lady Featherington, I
do not want to cross her path when you make.
You, you do not want to mess with her children.
You mess with her child. I mean, this is I relate to this
so hard. Now that I'm a mom, I'm like, I
will cut you. Like do not mess with my.

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Yeah. I asked Foiler L what were your
like impressions of violence like?
I was like OK this is from like Queen Charlotte like my
impression her because I showed her as a child and like her.
I'm not sure this is a spoiler or not but it's from Prince
Charlotte. If you haven't watched it,
spoiler. Listeners guys, you have to be

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very familiar with our book and show cannon.
So I'm sorry, we are a spoiler filled show so at least you have
to be familiar with the content.We are not doing reviews and we
are doing full blown bone deep analysis, so OK.
So like her, her her father calls her brains.

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So she is very smart, like, and like you've seen her all do all
this stuff, especially in season1 with like Nigel Burbrook, like
Violet knew she was like, oh, we're gonna like, it's part of
our tagline too. We're gonna do what women do.
We're gonna talk like she knows she used that to her advantage.
Like, she did it on purpose so that her daughter Daphne, can

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get out of the engagement. And, like, now Drip Verbic has
to run away. And like, I think that is, like,
my impression of her is like, oh, she's very quiet.
Like, you know, she's unassumingly smart and quiet.
And then they don't underestimate her because, yeah,
don't cross her. Yeah, I don't really like how

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sorry. I really like how many people,
you know, pointed out that Violet, you know, is often
compared with Daphne. And I'm not saying, you know,
that they're they are not similar, but many people are.
Like when she was younger, she was definitely more of a
Hyacinth Eloise character. Like she definitely had that,
you know, high energy and going there.

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And I must say, one of my favorite moments of Violet is
when she and Agatha have a chat,you know, over the wedding, the
battle of Season 2. And you get them and they they
just, you know, look at each other and then they just start
laughing because there's nothingto be done.
I really love that moment because you know it.

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I think it showed, you know, that part of Violet, you know,
that, yes, she is a mother of eight and yes, you know, there
is this dynamic with her children, which I really love.
But also it showed her, you know, she's also, you know, just
someone vibing with, you know, another lady of the tone.

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And I think that's Queen Charlotte's pinup highlighted
it. And I think that, you know, it's
kind of a shame that we do not get this type of content more
often in this show because it's a lot of lot about romance
between, you know, young people And, you know, sometimes we get
the sibling tidbits. But when it comes to, you know,

(30:52):
I don't want to say older generation because it kind of
sounds ageist. But when you have Agatha and
Violet and Porsche and, you know, these women, like Mary is
often criticised that, you know,she didn't really do anything
and she didn't really have enough content.
But, you know, if you look at the look at her, she could be

(31:16):
very interesting. The we just have, you know,
limited, limited screen time we are working with.
But I kind of, you know, wish we, you know, got into these
characters a bit more, right? This one definitely prioritizes
the younger people for sure. Right.
Yeah, like I'm a younger person.Younger person ish.

(31:37):
Younger ish. I'm sorry, but you know it's
it's not worth it. I'd love to talk about my I have
something to say about Violet actually, which is I think the
thing that I really love about her, the thing that made me love
her is her romanticism and her idealism.
And obviously that's what sets her apart from the rest of the
time. But it's very interesting that

(31:58):
she does have her pragmatic sideas well.
She's a very well-rounded character and she stays with,
she kind of, she wants her children to marry for love.
And she had a lot of love in herlife and she does have these
ideals, but she very much operates within the strictures
of their society and tries to kind of like maneuver within

(32:20):
those limits. And I think in the first season,
the the show does a lot to establish sort of like what
those limitations are, right? Like as a woman, she's very
disempowered. Like legally her son is in
charge of everything. Like she cannot, you know, he
could marry Daphne off to anyoneand she actually can't do

(32:41):
anything about it. So she she's very skilled at
using this like soft power. I also think in the fourth, in
the upcoming fourth season, we are going to see, I'm interested
to see whether, you know, the, the Bonofi relationship kind of
challenge is Violet, because so far she really, even though some

(33:01):
of her children's marriages havebeen a little bit scandalous,
it's kind of like mostly they'vestayed inside the box, You know,
they've mostly stayed within the, the acceptable limits of
society. So now she's going to be kind of
challenged to, we're going to, we're going to kind of see her
sort of like grow I think. And I think that's super
interesting. But yeah, actually but but

(33:21):
trying to capitalize on your point regarding Benofi, I do
think, I mean we could get into it, but I do think there is she
wouldn't mind because the fact of the marriage, Sophie is still
connected to royalty. But she isn't.
And this is, you know, I think that she is a legitimate child.

(33:42):
And in itself that's a taboo aspect.
And yes, her father was a Lord, but you know, that doesn't
really mean anything. And in a way, it's even more
scandalous. I wish.
They expanded on that because the the fact of the matter is,
you could the fact is, period that Sophie is still like, she

(34:04):
should have been taken care of. She wasn't supposed to.
Be that's definitely true. I'm not saying it isn't, but you
know, I think you know, we have more layers like realistic layer
would be probably from Austin perspective when we have very
similar character in Harriet Smith.
She's also a legitimate child. We don't know who her father is,
but when the yes, when the character, main character

(34:27):
assumes that she, her father is a Lord, she thinks that, you
know, she can marry, but she canmarry a clergyman.
And that's, you know, definitelyno lower on the, you know,
hierarchy than, you know, Viscount's second son.
Of course, this is Bridgeton. So it's more of an escapist

(34:48):
show. But I think that, you know, if
in order to have, you know, a story and you know, you have to
kind of have these stakes, I'm not saying it's going to be, you
know, realistic, but I think in order to have some literalist
stakes, you need to highlight that she is, you know, from a
different class and that there is issue with it.

(35:10):
Oh yeah, I think, yeah, Forbidden love.
I think the trop explains for itself.
So we are going to see like. I'm basically illegitimate child
myself. Like if I you know where to
follow these times. So, you know, of course it
doesn't affect me, but where I live in a different reality, my
parents would likely got marriedand if they didn't get married,

(35:32):
well, I would be stuck in maybe similar situation.
So it's interesting too. And I actually, you know, didn't
really even, you know, consider it.
It was just a random thought which popped in my head
recently. I think that this, the fact
that, you know, nowadays we don't care who you know, who's
legitimate, who is not. But at this time, even in

(35:54):
Bridgeton, it's very important, right?
They joke about the Lord being illegitimate child but yeah,
sorry, sorry. Let me just, sorry, I didn't
mean to cut you off, but let's keep that for Episode 3 because
we wanted to talk about classismas well, because we see it not
just with Benofi, we saw it withLady Mary, with her parents.

(36:16):
And yeah, yeah, the classism is,I think as they like or even
little, slightly more dangerous than racism, I think.
So yeah, we'll definitely, we'lldefinitely talk about it so.
Yeah, I think I'm just interested to see how they
complicate or not Violet's character in that way, right?
Yeah, we did see the first season that she was not.

(36:38):
I mean, there is a limit, right?Like she was not OK with
Anthony's relationship with Sienna.
Yeah. She wasn't out there being like,
if you love her, go for it. You know, that's like not
realistic in their. Yeah, but I think the the I
think what I we'll talk about Violet and Edmund as a couple.
I think she has this thing wherethere needs to be compromised.

(37:00):
I think I actually wanted to saythis point, so I So I did a
study on motherhood for my master's dissertation and the
source material that I used was Caitlin Rowe Kelly's 2009 or
2014. I don't know the publication
date, but it was unruly girls, unrepentant mothers.
So even if you're not an. Yeah, I know that.

(37:22):
Yeah. Have you read that book?
I haven't. I had referred on the excerpts.
Sorry, Coco. Yeah, no, so that was like, it
was like my met one of my my main methodologies for my
dissertation and it's like a summary of the book is basically
the the the media created for women during the 1990s and

(37:45):
2000s. So like teen flex, like mothers
of like of women of color and Titanic, which was quite a thing
and horror, women in horror. And what was motherhood like?
And So what we would call it, the unrepentant mother, that was

(38:06):
the term that was used for thesedifferent mothers who grew up in
a different generation and wouldhave been the unruly girls when
they were daughters. But as they became older and
became mothers, unrulyness became unrepentant, and the
level of unrepentance determinedtheir relationship with their
daughters. And I think with what Violet and
what my I was. Actually, Gilmore Girls is very
interesting in this way. I don't know if you talked

(38:28):
about. Gilmore.
Yeah, there. Was there was a mention of
Gilmore Girls, but I don't thinkshe went into it.
They they were like case study examples.
So but but I had done the study of twenty 20s mothers in TV
shows. So I had done never have I ever.
I did do Revenge, which was, it was a teen flick and the third

(38:51):
one was, what was it? The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel by my
creator of Gilmore Girls, ironically.
And I came up with the term of evolutionary mother.
So there will be some level of pushback because of the
unrepentants, but there is the ability that they can adapt and
they can accept, you know, certain things.

(39:13):
Because we see Violet like kind of have to get a pushback like
from Daphne when she didn't givesex Ed.
We got Anthony kind of saying I don't I wanted free from Dick.
She she had to realize that it was because she became so
withdrawn from Edmunds death because they had that
confrontation and Edmunds grave in season 2 three was with

(39:36):
Francesca where she's kind of like, you know, not every love
is as fashionate. Like what I have is with John is
is different, but I love him nevertheless.
So I think there are times whereshe gets a lot of pushback from
her children, but then she kind of adapts and says, you know,
I'm sorry, I did this and OK, I understand it now.

(39:58):
So which is quite good. Like I can't see.
I can't wait to see it grow further and further.
That's a big part of what makes Violet so aspirational.
I think, like for people who aren't like, that's the kind of
mother I would want to be. And it's also the kind of mother
a lot must wish we had, you know, like.
I. Think that's part of the
fantasy? That's.

(40:18):
Really good for you, she. A bit of Portia, but she's like
70% violent. I don't know why I keep putting
percentages, but yeah. That's so interesting.
I think my mom is like maybe 5050, you know, like she's, she
does have, my mom is very loving, but she, I think her
worldview was a little bit more Porsche than it is.

(40:40):
You know, she's a lot more affectionate than Porsche is.
And I think like, as an immigrant kid too, who has a lot
of like cultural clashes with myparents, I've always, I look at
a mom like Violet and I'm like, wow, she really gets her
children, you know, like, and that's, that's just something
that is painful for my parents and for me is that like, we'll
never have that, you know, we'llnever have that.

(41:02):
Like, oh, like she really gets me on a deep emotional level.
Like my mom's super selfless andsuper giving.
But the fantasy of like the mom,like Violet is like, follow your
dreams, go after the person you love.
Like that is not my family. Yeah, yeah.
No, but it I think, I don't know, this is just personal
opinion. I think what we as children also

(41:24):
should do. I know we feel like we're
underdeveloped or what have you.But as we get older, I think
sometimes we need to take the responsibility sometimes of
want, like having or being mature or being willing enough
to parent our parents at the right time.
Not not as a child, like as a thing of realizing that, you
know, our parents, like generational trauma,

(41:46):
understanding how it reverberates in a family and
kind of just, you know, coming in and extending it and being
empathetic to our parents. And some of the times we like to
complain about them, blame them for this, like I'm they're
responsible for this, but kind of realizing their own wounds
and trying to understand the history where they're coming
from, being more observant. Yeah.

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So I think. I think the show actually
handles this fairly well with Portia, where it's like you
start to really see her and thatthe IT is, it really does mirror
kind of like so it's so many of the the the seasons of the show
have like a coming of age aspect.
And season 3, you know, is no different in that way.

(42:31):
And I think like part of coming of age is realizing like your
parents are human beings with their own traumas, their own,
you know, humanity and weaknesses and like that that's
okay. And like appreciating them kind
of for who they are and for liketheir attempts to evolve sort
of. And you see that in the Penelope
and Porsche relationship. I thought that was really

(42:52):
moving. I ended up crying a lot during
those Porsche scenes, you know, because.
I actually I think this I was kept saying sidebar earlier,
apologies for that, but I think the sidebar is there has been
rumors of the spin off with the Featherington.
Yes, I do have a feeling like maybe I don't know.
Have you have you seen the Prince of Egypt?
Yes, that it's movie. It's a musical where the story

(43:16):
of Moses is through a different perspective.
So and you know, Wicked is also another story from a they've
they've called it something. It's like a retelling or a RE,
yeah. Yeah, but it's kind of
experiencing what we think we know from another character's
perspective to create like, you know, you.
There are different angles to a singular event.

(43:38):
So I do think, I do hope we see like, you know, a younger Violet
and Edmund. If they're like coming on to the
show, I would love. That.
Somebody like seeing Portia's perspective of that love story
as you know she's being quoted and as she plays the marriage
game in 1790s or something. Yeah, I also want to.
Bring another point about Portialike growing with Penelope, kind

(44:01):
of like barley says something tome.
I've got the exact phrase, but like season 3 Barley says
something to Portia. It's sort of like, and Portia
had that click is like, oh, the way I treat Penelope of stuff I
say to her, it's not the same thing I can say to my other
daughters. And I think that's very
important that each kid like as a parent, each as as a parent,

(44:24):
each like a parent should know each kid responds differently
and you have it can't be the same across the board.
So like, I think Violet does it not male does it pretty well.
Yeah, she does it pretty well, but not with Francesca.
This little bit, yeah. Like.
No, no dare. No, Eloise, right?
She really like, she and Eloise really like, struggle to

(44:44):
understand each other. Yeah.
So like, but like Violet does, Ithink Violet and Porsche have
both. Like it is they are complex
characters and I think it is showing that it is kind of
peeling to see that, OK, they learn the perspective and they
try to change it because Violet does it, Porsche does it.
So it's sort of both parent and child have to change X Penelope
had to change and realize her mother did sacrifice a lot And

(45:07):
like whether regardless of it isit I mean.
She's as powerless as her, like,you know, yeah, did get some of
that meanness from her mom, likeshe can't like, yeah, she yeah,
like unruliness. I think that that's.
We could get into a discussion of that when we did the
Featherington section, but. I think too that I mean, I we

(45:28):
haven't said it explicitly, but obviously Violet and Porsche are
set up as foils for one another in the show.
And so like each character helpsyou understand the other in
contrast, you know, and I'm excited to see what their
relationship is going to be now that they're Co grandmothers and
they're officially in laws. This is going to be fun, yeah.
It's going to be very fun. And I think there's been a sense
of real inevitability about thatfrom the very moment, from the

(45:51):
very first moment of the show, you feel that these two families
are destined to become entangled, you know, like, and,
and so I am sort of excited to see that.
I think it could be played for alot of comedy, but I think there
could be some real poignancy there too.
Right, All right, let's. OK, so now we're coming to

(46:13):
Edmund, Edmund Bridgeton. And I mean, do you want to
combine Edmund and Violet and Edmund?
Let's like do that entire section.
Yeah. All right, so.
What we I would probably start with book context if you want
Joe, because I think you know, because the show already, you

(46:34):
know, establishes Edmund as a older guy.
So should I go or can once? Yeah, No, you had brought some
interesting points. Yeah, when we.
Were all right, so I must say that I haven't read every, you
know, prequel, but I know you know the family dynamics.
So basically Edmund is one of four kids and what I, you know,

(46:57):
thought interesting was the factthat he has older sister, you
know, by 7 or 6 years and that'sa big gap.
And I think this is very interesting to think about
because, you know, you know, what we hear about Edmund was
that he was kind of, you know, this cheeky, more like Benedict
Cullen type of person rather than, you know, this Anthony,

(47:20):
you know, stereotypical masculinity in a way.
So I wondered whether, you know,this ties to show as well and
whether they will, you know, do it if they plan to do the spin
off. Because I think when you have
older sister, you know, it's it,you know, leads to kind of this,
you know, he's always going to be younger brother to her no

(47:43):
matter what. And she was kind of, you know,
in the book described as this more of a tomboyish, Eloish type
of person. So, you know, you see how L
treats Colin and I think that Edmund likely was treated very
similar, but his sister, I know that Colin is older actually.
But, you know, you, you get the vibe, so.

(48:06):
And I think that Edmund, you know, done diving too deep, but
he definitely came from much more idyllic environment, family
environment than Violet did. Like Violet had lovely, you
know, father. She was definitely close to him.
She was that his girl through and through.
But her mother definitely know, wasn't, you know, on the same
car. Yeah.

(48:29):
So basically, I think that's part of the reason they have so
many kids and they know why, while it is so, you know,
obsessed with family is because she met Edmund and yeah, she
fell in love with him. But I think that in many ways
she also fell in love with that family and with that idea of a
family. So this might be another reason
by the eight kids. This is such a pollen parallel

(48:51):
as I'm like listening, you know?Love that.
Yeah, a little bit. Maybe first meeting if Joe wants
to. Yeah.
I mean, I mean the first meeting, technically it's not
exactly. I mean from I, from I remember
the books Violet, is it Violet and Bloom?
Is that the one, the short story, the number?

(49:12):
Yeah. Violet and Bloom.
Yeah, Yeah. I actually, I was so pleased to
see that they had a flower prank.
Violet and Edmund kind of was met like a power prank because I
love Eloise's story, which also has a flower prank.
So I was, I was like such a coolconnection of sorts.
I think, yeah. I mean, while Edmund as a

(49:35):
couple, I don't have a lot of thought of Edmund, I do hope we
get to see more of him with Eloise's story because we get
into it with Eloise's character arc.
But I do think that besides Anthony being close to Edmund,
Eloise is next in line because it could explain why Anthony and
Eloise are so. I always thought all his

(49:58):
favorite, but yeah, I get, I getthe chest, yeah.
Because I have a theory because and like, you know, thankfully
unique Blueberry, like wrote a recent post about it.
But I do think Edmund was very close to Eloise and he was kind
of the person who supported women having dreams and things
like that. And maybe like he was thinking

(50:18):
that maybe if he was there, likehe, I think he went on the
assumption that he's going to bethere when the kids go on to the
market and that he would be, youknow, mindful that they they
take their time. He was not going to pressure
them like Violet. He would be like the good cop in
the good bad cop dynamic becauseViolet does you know, and no

(50:38):
offense because it it is like she does put a little bit
pressure when they're going on the marriage mark like yeah, and
Daphne's like I'll follow her advice.
She's she like follows it to a teen Season 1.
Anthony is very like throws everything out the window.
Francesca is very Amber Valent towards her advice.
And then Colin unexpectedly getsinto the management with

(51:00):
Penelope and I'm interested to see, like, how she's gonna do
it. Like, because it's gonna be like
a Eloise again on the marriage mark 2.0 as teased by Jess at
the Season of Love event. Yeah.
I'm curious about that. Yeah.
So the point being that I think Edmund was like would be, would
have been very mindful of not pressuring any of his girls when

(51:23):
they went like debuted on the marriage mark.
Like he would say you can take your time, there's no pressure.
Like, yeah, he would be that person who would comfort them.
But unfortunately, he passed away too soon.
And, you know, it was left to Violet that who put that more
pressure, I think with Violet and Edmond, I think.
Do you OK? Do you guys agree or disagree

(51:44):
with this? But do you think they would have
had marital trouble eventually had?
No, I don't. I think that in the fantasy of
the show is that they're like, of course they have trouble like
anybody, like they fight, she says as much to Daphne in the
first season, right, She says. We've had hard times, we've had
arguments, but we chose to love each other and to get through it

(52:06):
together. And I but I don't think that the
show would ever have explored them having serious marital
trouble. But we also like the reason for
that is also like, he's dead, right?
So like, we don't. Yeah, it is.
It is a more idealized relationship because he died.
But I don't see them having it doesn't sound like they ever had
serious marital trouble. And if you haven't had it by the

(52:28):
time you have eight children, then you're probably good to go.
You know, like. Because there is there is a big
like, I mean, T Colin is set was17, Benedict was 15 or 16.
Colin was 777. Yeah, So what?
Happened I think 7 or 8, yeah. Yeah.

(52:50):
So it's not like it would be very like very realistic and
they could like have had maritalissue with like, you know, maybe
some kind of like miscommunication or something
like that. But yeah, I mean, they would be,
they would have been a very person who who were very like
faithful in their love. They believed in their love.

(53:11):
And like, whatever hurdles they have, they would have thought
like, we'll get past it. It's just like let's.
Just yeah, I will just, you know, make a few corrections on
the ages of kids when Edwin dies.
So Anthony is 18. I will just use Show Showtime.
Anthony is 18. Benedict is 16.

(53:33):
Colin is about 9 or 10. This is very interesting.
Then of course, we have Tafni, which is about one year younger.
So let's just call it 8 or 9 L 7-8 and you know, you go down
the road. Hyacinth of course, wasn't born
even yet. So this is interesting to note

(53:56):
because, you know, people make fun of that flashback, but you
know, it's blurry image and you see the age gap very nicely
there. If you know, Benedict's actor
actually standing there as a 16 year old in brackets.
I just wanted to briefly say howyou said that Edmund, you know,
would brought different perspective on the marriage

(54:18):
Mart. I think that many people
criticized, you know, why doesn't Colin, you know, C Pen
in this light if his mother always told him, Oh, you know,
you see friends and friends to lovers.
I actually, you know, thought about it and yes, it's show.
So, you know, don't take it too granted.

(54:38):
But I wondered whether this is because Colin sees it through
Violet's perspective. And Violet says very, you know,
resolutely. I saw your father, you know,
then they were not kids, you know, years later, their second
meeting, and she fell in love. And I wondered, you know,
whether Colin took this, you know, Violet, you know, approach

(55:02):
Violets, you know, version of the story because, well, this is
the story he's been hearing mostbecause of course, Edmund,
Edmund dies when he's about 8 or10.
Like, I'm not saying that they had many conversations about
girls at that point. So I think for Edmund, it was,

(55:23):
you know, for Edmund, it was much more, you know, calling
aligned like this gradual, you know, friends to lovers, while
with Violet, it was more of a love at first sight.
So when I think that it was verydeliberate from the show to make
this comparison between and you see visual comparison with them
and their portrait, like it's it's very clearly shown in the,

(55:45):
you know, show in the image. So I think that there is
definitely this reference. And I think that, you know,
Colin was kind of, you know, stuck because he got Violet's
version, not Edmund's version. That's so that's.
All I wanted to say. Yeah, I love that.
That's actually super interesting.
It's interesting how. And of course, like in the book,
he also, it has the line like hethought love would be like a

(56:07):
Thunderbolt, like it would happen all of a sudden.
Yeah. And so that kind of.
Fits it he. Didn't recognize, yeah, like
Benedict. And actually in the book, I
think it says part of the reasonwas because he had seen Benedict
fall in love that way. Yeah, kind of had assumed that
that is how it would be for. Him.
Yeah. No.
Because, yeah, his book takes place before Benedict.
Yeah, yeah. It is interesting how the Violet

(56:28):
you had a note about the sort ofViolet and Edmund is like the
magic 8 ball for like all the kids where like she tells a
slightly different version of the story to each of the
children. It's like, you know, if you
have, it's like, it's like the magic 8 ball.
Like, you know, if you have a marriage, like as successful, I
don't know, I I just just chose it because like it's the

(56:49):
standard. It's like we need to have like
something as because Daphne kindof goes into that whole spiral
like of, you know, as beautiful as Mama and Papas and everybody
is like, oh, so great. And Eloise is like, Oh yeah,
sure. So it was, yeah.
I mean, it's kind of like it's it's romanticized very much.

(57:10):
But like, you know, I was wondering whether they would put
some things off. You know, there have been
disagreements and it's kind of, it does get like sometimes
because when you become parents,I don't know whether this is
true, but when true. For me, when you become parents,
it gets a lot harder, yeah. I'm kind of losing.
I'm going to be perfect mother, all right?

(57:30):
Not kind. Of lose yourself as a spouse so
sometimes you know you feel likeyou're just being a mother,
you're not being a wife and. 100% yeah, that was.
This kind of dysfunction that affected them and then like that
could explain the time gap. Yeah, I so my head cannon is a
column was a rainbow baby because they had like multiple

(57:51):
miscarriages and. I don't like this tragic
version. So I'm going to like be like,
hey, we have this book plot of his sister, you know, being
forcibly married because this guy, you know, tried to destroy
her reputation. I don't want to spoil too much,

(58:12):
but you know, I just reckon certain things like put this
here in the timeline, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
Maybe just Edmund became Viscount.
So there's pressure in this. Like I, you know, the reason I
will be personal, the reason whyI, you know, think about thought
about this because I was wondering about writing fanfic

(58:33):
about, you know, this version ofthe story, because I was
intrigued by this Porsche Mary subplot.
And I thought, let's make 10 years basically, you know, kind
of chronicle and you know, theselittle moments and you know that
maybe they will do spin off and I'm just, you know, throwing it
in the trash. No, not really.

(58:54):
What I wanted to say is that I think that there are reasonable,
you know, reasons you can make it happen.
So, you know, maybe Edmund goes to say someone in France because
it's war or something like that.Like you can you can write
around. Sorry.
On the point is that I did want to talk about this, but I think

(59:15):
Edmund becomes like a spectre, like SPECTRE.
So it's like it's like a ghost, like just, if you wanted to know
the definition, he's just basically he, he's not there,
but his spirit kind of guides and leads the bridge with
whatever, like fragmented memories they have of him, like

(59:36):
through violence, you know, verybiased.
No, it's not a negative thing but like very romanticized and
biased perspective of him or even through hell.
Yeah. So I just want to add to what
Joe is saying, like the Spectre thing where they kind of have
him as, like, a ghost or something that lingers behind,
like making decisions. He's also put on a pedestal.

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Yeah. So it is like, because I also
feel about like, This Is Us. Like, we're like the father Jack
was also put on a pedestal. But if you see the flashbacks,
it wasn't all that great. So like, going back to like,
what Joe was asking, I do think there would have been problems,
but it wouldn't have been that big.
Like there's always problems in any relationship, big or small,

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Like there's not. Yeah, so like.
He is a perfect relationship, yeah.
Yeah. And then Edmond is be.
Very boring to watch also. Like which is why I think you
seen season 2 with Anthony and how he handles things is because
he loves his dad so much. Like in the book, because I
recently read it, it was like Anthony was like, oh, as a kid I

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was like, I'm so proud. Like I get to know my dad a few
more years than Benedict and allmy siblings.
I get to know my dad more, like longer.
And like that was what Anthony was very proud of.
And I think that affects a lot of things.
I think it's actually really, I think it's a really interesting
point because I, I've thought about a lot as we were like, you

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know, getting ready to do the podcast about Edmund as a sort
of like in his children's eyes, this like paragon of
masculinity, right? Like he's like the perfect man
and how each of his sons is affected by that, particularly
Anthony, because Anthony of course, becomes the bicount and
you see this theme kind of in the I'm assuming.

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So I know we're going to talk about themes later and we're
going to talk about the patriarchy and all of that.
But you know, you do see Anthonyalmost trying to perform his
version of his version in his mind of what he thinks like his
dad was, which is this idealized, infallible man who's

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like in charge of everything. And and then he feels like a
failure because he can't live upto that.
And he kind of gets he starts tospiral and get like messier and
messier as a result. And I'm sure in reality, first
of all, like Edmund was like a fully grown man, right?
He wasn't 18 years old trying tobe the Viscount, but he also was

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he probably wasn't that perfect,right?
He probably also didn't make mistakes.
But because Anthony doesn't knowthat because he was a teenager
when his dad died, that like really impacts him.
And I think that, like, in the first season, you see the ways
in which, like, Violet is pushing back against Anthony,
being kind of a dust bed and a tyrant, but she's also like,

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making it worse. Like she's making him worse and
making him flail more by puttingmore pressure on him.
Like, oh, your father would havedone this.
And your father would be, you know, would have already made
sure Daphne was married. And you can see how that
pressure really like impacts him.
Yeah. Why don't we do?
Yeah. I can't believe I'm defending

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Anthony because I'm like, Anthony is a #1 critic, but.
This is interesting because I I noticed and I'm actually a
defender of Anthony. Like I really like him.
I think that he's quite misunderstood, but I agree
definitely. Sorry guys, why don't we, let's
put a pin in the conversation because why don't we move on to
the siblings? And I think we've hit everything

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of Violet and Admin right? Anything else would.
You like to? I'm trying to think of
something. I just wanted to say that, you
know, what, if they ever do spinoff like, yeah, I think that the
reason, you know, Edmund is justidyllic.
And even Julia Quinn was like, no, no, I don't.

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I want to do not, you know, wantto write anything about them
because I want to, you know, make this perfect, you know,
Edmund guy. So she wrote this very short,
you know, Wild and Bloom and that was it.
And I kind of, you know, I don'twant to be too critical, but I'm
like, that's kind of coward dishon your part.
Like you're a romance, right? Yeah.

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Also, you can definitely cook something.
I'm not saying you can cook the whole book, but hey, here is
short story and that's it. Like, yeah, sorry.
I understand. I'm empathetic towards her
because especially when you're doing book Canon, a lot of
people put a lot of pressure on what they should be rather than
putting it in fan fiction or everything.

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So maybe. But I think I think she has
faith in like putting it on visual text because there's more
like complexities now because television is more, you know,
expansive because she was like she Co wrote the Queen Charlotte
like novelization with Shonda Rhimes.
So I think she has more faith inhaving like multiple

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perspectives rather than like would have to respect her vision
for the series and not like put that pressure on her.
So I think like I'm very empathetic to her, like just
having that short and available because I think I'm, I'm very
protective over my like, becauseI write too.
And like when people say I want this, I want that.
It's like an author. You need to because it's like,

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yeah, like. She has her own vision of what
it's. Going to be Yeah, like it's Star
Wars when you have different sequels and then they're
criticizing it that it's too much or it's too little, it's
kind of hurtful. It's very hurtful because you've
asked for this. This is what they had imagined.
And if you can't respect that, you can't if you keep
criticizing it, you don't respect that.

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This is what the writer had in mind.
So I think, I think it's a lot that we, I think it's something
that we all as fans need to do alittle better.
It's. Like, you know.
I wouldn't to just say that there is, you know, I think
you've heard of a death of an offer.
This basically means, you know, once you upload something, once
you know, put something there, it's it belongs to the world, it

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belongs to the fans. And I want to say that I think
most of fans criticism is usually kind of dumb or stupid,
but I want to highlight that youcan still improve your craft.
And you know, when it's fanfic writing, you know, I'm not going
to say I don't like this, you need to do this and this and
that. But when someone is, you know,

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writer or screenwriter, yeah, I think it's sometimes the critic
helps him. Like it's not just fans being
outraged. And let's be honest, most of
them just are outraged. Yeah, I mean, critics are fine
critics. I think they they could help.
But I think as a fan is that when you're not being, I don't

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know, I feel this as as a writeris that when I go and write
something and I'm trying to explain my thought process and
this is, I don't know, this is something I need to work on,
it's that when fans are saying, I would have seen this, I would
have done this, I would have done that, it's very hurtful
because first and foremost, thisis what I wanted to talk about.

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If you've not got that team, you've not got that message,
then you've not understood my story.
So yeah, I mean, I don't want toget into.
It I think there's a difference.I mean, we think we should
probably somewhere down the line, I would be very interested
to have a episode about like thefan culture around Bridgerton
where we. Have to think yeah, yeah, let's.

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Let's do it. A lot of people off, but we
could speak as tactfully. As yeah, I I can't wait.
It's going to be good. I know.
It's going to be good, right? Fearless.
Look, it's not our real name. Yeah.
So we whistle down us if we don't whistle down.
Yes, and that's why we're anonymous, because I do.
I think there's a difference between like good faith and bad
faith criticism. And I do think that some of the

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critiques of the show, like people asking for the showrunner
to get fired or calling her likea self insert, or even some of
the critiques of Julia Quinn. I'm like, dude, these are like
real human beings. Like, let's be, let's not be so
mean, you know, want. To be critical, be constructive.
Don't be. Like yeah, exactly.

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But I mean ultimately. I think that if you, you know,
if you are able to tell a personyou know, to the eye when you
just wrote in this critique, I think you're fine.
If you do not, then there's someissue.
Yeah, OK. Guys, I think we need to wrap up
a little bit. Yes, thank you so much.
For those who have stuck around,I'm Joe.

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I'm spoiler. And I'm Elle.
Rocks OK. And I said, I said rocks, but
Spoiler and I spoke over each other.
We're working on it, guys. Listeners.
It's. Awesome.
We're in progress guys and we'llsee you all next Wednesday.
We're going to be talking about Anthony, Benedict, Collin and

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Daphne and I think it's going tobe jam packed and see you all
next Wednesday. See.
You see you guys, bye.