Episode 02C: "What's in a Bridgerton?": The Bridgerton's Perfectly Beautiful (read: Complicated) Daughters (and Gregory)

Dearest Gentle Mayfairers,

It has been said that there is no friend like a sister. But sisters can be quite troublesome, can they not?

Listen today as we dive into the Bridgerton sisters - as well as family pet Gregory! Each of them couldn’t be any different from the others, each are complex (and often controversial) in their own ways.

A word of caution- we do tread into difficult territory regarding a certain moment in Season 01 canon-- the infamous bed scene in S1's "Swish" between Daphne and the Duke, which we discuss at about 05:05-06:58. Tread softly and we assure you that we won't judge you for skipping it entirely either.

With that in mind, we hope you enjoy the final part of our series, "What's in a Bridgerton?"

Yours truly,

The Whistledowners

Episode Transcript

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Dearest gentle listeners, we arethe Whistledowners.
Like our predecessor Lady Whistledown, who breathed down
the necks of 1800s Mayfair society, we are 4 headstrong
women. On this podcast, we'll analyze
and discuss the complex and eyeball catching escapade that
is the hit Netflix show Bridgerton.
Join us as we delve deeply into the show's plots, themes,

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characters, and more. Are you ready?
Let's begin. Dearest gentle Mayfares, we hope
you will forgive the rather sudden beginning to this week's
episode. As those who listen last week
will know, this is the second-half of our lively

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discussion about all eight bridges and siblings, a
conversation that quite ran awaywith us and that we therefore
split in two for your listening pleasure.
A note of caution, this episode briefly touches on the topic of
sexual assault. Please do listen with care.
That said, we hope you enjoy these musings on siblings
DEFG&H, their scandals and secrets, their charms and

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complexities, and the vital question of whether Gregory is
in fact the family pet. As with our ABC brothers, this
will be far from the only time we delve into the siblings
personalities, but we hope it isan enjoyable introduction.
As always, we do welcome your questions and comments.
And now, without further ado, the latter half of our
Bridgerton alphabet. Yours sincerely, the whistle

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Downers. Actually, which that actually
makes a perfect segue into Daphne because.
She's got out to Brave 2001. She's she's like one of my
fandom besties and I really enjoy her.
That's great. It's lovely.
Yeah, OK, so Daphne, I think I want to get into spoilers point

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about Daphne becoming. I think when you because I've
heard on that was us like the rewatch again, because like the
passing of a matriarch or a patriarch in a family somewhat
implicates that the child has become hopefully an elder.
And some some children would grow and get older, but not many

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become like elders, like become wise and become like having to
do this like emotional weightlifting of sorts.
And I think what I like and dislike about Daphne is that
Daphne basically becomes the second mother because, you know,
Violet shut down emotionally andthe next female in line is
Daphne. Like she is, she might be the

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4th sibling, but she becomes the1st like daughter in the family.
And then you know, that makes her become like this maternal
influence And she's actually, she can handle like being the
perfectionist of the family. And, and actually what I like
about it, I've said her like sheI called her HBIC.
Like she is like one of those popular A list personalities in

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high school, but she's not like Regina George.
Like she does not like like abuse that power.
She really like uses it to defend herself, like to protect
others, because I think in her book she also defends Penelope
at one point, like press it up. So and I and I've I've met a
girl like like Daphne. So I think that's her best

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quality that she's not going to abuse her power.
She's going to do what she has to do and she will protect
herself and others when push comes to shove.
I think the one thing I dislikedabout her is that it comes in
episode 2, right when she's saying there's light at the end
of the tunnel and you know you will be with the child.
And think, I think is that sometimes people don't want a

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solution. Daphne, like Eloise, just want
to be, you know, validated. Like her point of view is, it's
a fact. It's kind of what she's feeling
right now. She doesn't want a solution.
She doesn't want what you think is it.
She just wants to be heard. So and then, you know, Eloise is
very introspective and says, youknow, it must be hard to be

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perfect. Yeah.
And then but yeah, that's what Idislike about her.
Like she kind of like thinks that she is like her perspective
is the standard, like everybody wants that.
And it kind of isolates a lot ofpeople who disagree with that,
especially Eloise. So that's what I like and
dislike about Rafi. Anybody else like I?

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Have something to say. I don't remember.
Was it ever a dress? Like I'm just gonna call it the
rape scene with Simon where she did it like she found out how
babies were made. She didn't tell him like that to
me. Like it's it's in the book is
all. But like I think they resolved
it in the book. I haven't read in a while, but
like it's just the way it was handled in the show.
Like was kind of freshed up and I was like, no, like that is a

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very serious scene. Like it is rape.
It wasn't his consent. I don't even remember was he
drunk or not right at the moment?
But like it was. That scene really bothers me and
it still bothers me. Like aside from that, I think
Daphne is like a pretty good complex character, but that one
still bothers me. That scene still bothers me.
I think I'm not like I'm not gonna disagree exactly.

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I'm just gonna contextualize it by saying I think her
unwillingness to be like, it's kind of a bit of a petty move if
you think about it. Like the fact of the matter is
she could have just withdrawn because before that, like
getting out of his bed, pretending to be asleep, just
isolating herself against him. That would kind of been the

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thing enough. Like she took it a step further,
that's for sure. It was incredibly like it came
out of a moment of revenge and rather than communicating with
it. So I hope, I hope, I don't know,
I'm just running by this. I hope that we get to do an
episode where we talk about thatscene in.
Yeah. Because yeah, yeah, definitely.
Not to make. Things this requires, yeah.

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Yeah, because I think it starts.It doesn't start from that
moment, It starts from an. Affair.
Model where Simon lied using a yeah, difficult English context
and then we will take it from there.
But yeah, but it's a valid point.
Yeah. Pettiness and revenge, which
really just threw everything like, on fire.

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Yeah, yeah. Spoiler rocks.
Do you have anything that you would like to add?
Like, like a dislike. I love how I I'm in a cabin.
This is like what I do with Daphne because I do love Daphne
as a character. I kind of like head cannon that
one scene out or like compartmentalize it in my mind
because I'm like it's so it's soawful and it's so big that I'm

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sort of like I almost like can'tconsider it in my overall
consideration of her character. So I will say other than that
one, I thought pretty bad writing choice by the writers.
I I think she's a very caring character.
She's like she really she's veryempathetic.
I I thought like the way that she went out of her way to help
Marina. I thought the way that she she's

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like the only sibling that checks in to see how Colin is
like doing emotionally and actually like really feels for
him. You see her empathy and I think
that that really that really like won me over to her any and
same with Simon when she finds out like how abusive his
childhood was, you know, she hassuch empathy for him.

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And I think like, you know, she start, it's funny because I
think like they did a good job with making Daphne, you know, in
the book, she's more of an underdog.
She's not like the popular, you know, she's not the diamond.
Like there isn't the diamond conceit doesn't really exist in
the books. And so I thought it was a very
weird choice that the show made to not make her an underdog

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because that would have been themore typical screen writing
choice, right? Like you make characters an
underdog to have people root forthem.
But in a way it was a more interesting choice because she
is sort of the diamond of the season.
She is the popular girl. She's very beautiful.
But you they make her character well-rounded enough and
surprising enough that you end up loving her anyway.

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So I think that that was like a really good, interesting show
for the writers room. Yeah, actually I understand that
because I think one of the things of her being a diamond is
the idea of perfection. And we will talk about this in
Season 1 when we go into the deep dive.
And I think the fact is, is thatit's also something for elder
like eldest daughters anywhere, like everywhere because there is

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a certain like pressure because,you know, especially when you're
the first daughter within like anumber of daughters.
I've not had that before. So it was quite illuminating to
see that, you know, sometimes the eldest sisters kind of
become like the second mother ofthe family, you know, because
it's kind of like you set the standard for your younger

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siblings. So it was it was fun seeing her
like how she had to do all that emotional lifting.
It kind of made me a little empathetic to who she was.
And, and I think, yeah, that I think that's all I want to add.
Spoiler. Do you want to add anything?
Wait, could I have one more thing?
Sorry. I think the other thing that
makes her likable is that even though she is, she doesn't, you

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know, she does really try to live up to that ideal.
You see in the first season thatshe does have a little bit of
her rebellious streak. She does have mischief in her.
You know, she's like laughing inthe corner with Simon.
The moment where she like laughsat the Prince, you know, like
you do see the ways in which she, in which she, she is kind

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of more than that. And she is also very
resourceful. Like she doesn't take a defeat
lying down. You know, she, she helps
herself. She schemes for herself.
She works for herself and for other people that she cares
about. So she's not.
She's so much more than like what society sees her, sees her
as, all right? OK.
And favorite dynamic, you know, so we've mentioned.

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Sorry spoiler didn't get to go. Ohh I'm so sorry.
So sorry, it's alright. I will just say two things.
First, Anthony also checked withCollins.
This is sorry rocks. Let's let's just add this one,
the 107 when they have that conversation.
It's alright. I just wanted to also say that

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regarding that scene, I do not end with Stephanie fans.
Apparently systematically like failing to give you up any
credit for like all the nice things.
It's, it's, it's alright. I just I just so love the fact
that I have to have to elaborateon it.
I just wanted to say that I do not envy and Saffney fans
because each time Daphne is, youknow, reference, people bring

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out that scene. And I understand that, you know,
it's writing mishap. It happened, you know, in the
book. And I also think that the
question is here whether we can,you know, be as modern regarding
content consent when these people did not have proper

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sexual education and, you know, they had a very different
understanding. I'm not saying it just make it
OK. I'm saying it's we should look
at it as complicated because of this.
And it's all I wanted to say regarding that, you know, being
more, you know, being more affectionate.

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I think I didn't vibe with Daphne, you know, much.
But I really like this small moment she had with her
siblings, especially younger ones.
And definitely, I really loved her in Season 2.
With that, Anthony, I must say, I think that, you know, I was
able to, you know, pretend nothing, you know, complicated

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happened in Season 1 and in Season 2.
I loved everything she did. And scream.
Yeah. I want to see that as Anthony
Collin and Daphne are like threeof my favorite actors on the
show too. And I think, I think that
Johnny, Luke, all the actors arewonderful and I think Johnny,
Luke and Phoebe all bring so many like layers to.
Their performance, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Actually, fun fact, just I won'ttake too much time, but I
actually knew about Phoebe Dinova before Bridgeton.
I I'd seen her in younger because Sutton Foster is my
favorite actress. So I'd seen her on that show and
I had heard about her being in Bridgeton, but I was going to be
like, I'm not going to jump ontothe show just yet because I want

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to see her flourish because I loved her as younger.
I did. I did, wasn't ready to see her
as a new character just yet, butthen I saw her in fair play and
then when I heard that the director saw her in Bridgeton
and cast her in fair play, and then I went on to Bridgeton.
So that's my very weird journey with her.
And OK, yeah, let's cap it off with her favorite Daphne dynamic

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besides Daphne and Colin, because we had talked about it
with Colin. Yeah, I.
Someone else? I like her going first, yeah.
Come on, I like her with Eloise,like there's such a contrast to
each other. And then I think Eloise at one
point was like, oh, thank you for being perfect, so I don't
have to be. I think she's at that line.

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Unless I made that up in my head.
But I was just like, yeah, and it's in.
It's in the finale. It's like when.
Yeah. And then I was just like, and
then that moment between the twosisters, this is like Daphne was
forced, like what we were seeingbefore she was forced into this
road to be like the second mother.
And then Eloise had the she didn't have to be.
And then if you remember season 2 with the whole birthing scene

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and like Edmund just dying and Anthony not doing it in the
background, you hear Daphne singing to Eloise.
And that is a very core memory for the OR at least for Eloise.
And I was like, oh, that's such a good dynamic between the two.
And I wish there's more that canbe played out.
And I'm hoping BBTF never comes back.
It's Season 5, like four and five.

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Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I think I could see her maybe just coming in for
like, I don't know whether they're gonna bring a Palmal,
like they're gonna bring like a Palmal similar event with a gun
shooting event and maybe Daphne.I hope they do that in Fellow is
Susan. Yeah.
Because it's also, I think I won't, yeah, I wish I didn't say

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much, but I think the fact that they've introduced like a like a
conflict that both Philip and Eloise are that is they're
constantly being compared to their same sex sibling, which is
like, you know, something which is every couple like faces like
something about perfection. For Simon and Daphne, the thing
of love was his duty. For Kate and Anthony, the fact

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of being overlooked with Penelope and Colin and then with
Benedict. And so Sophie is like, like this
pressure to be who society wants, like who has assigned
them to be. So like, you know, Sophie is
assigned to be a maid because she's illegitimate.
But when she's not, like she haslike, you know, she has

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something to feel everything on the spectrum.
And Benedict is second son, the spare Bridgeton, when he
actually wants to be more than like, he wants to be the artist.
He wants to be, you know, more than just that.
So, yeah, I think Philip and Eloise are like this thing of
being, you know, not enough because or they are not as good

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as, you know, their siblings. OK.
So moving on to should we go on to Eloise?
Yeah. I missed something, OK.
Actually, I know we want to moveon, but Joe, you said something
really interesting. Sorry about Daphne and Eloise in
that moment in Season 1. And I was wondering if you had

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anything else to say about that scene, like where, you know,
Daphne is basically like, she's kind of like playing the part,
you know, of the perfect older sister, the perfect daughter,
the perfect debutante. And then Eloise kind of like
calls her out. Right.
I would like to do it like in a moment when we're doing like a

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like, not exactly a rewatch episode, but that's a moment
that's. Stuck with?
Yeah, let's discuss that. I think, yeah.
But I think one of the defining moments of Eloise in that, like
in that scene, it's like she has, I think, I mean, I think
Unique Blueberry had talked about this in her Reddit post
that she posted yesterday. It's like she's, she's really

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like, she's heard about horriblemarriages around the town and
she's scared of being in one because especially now that
this, this Burbrook incident wascircumvented, right?
Like they managed to evade that,but there was a fear that Daphne
was going to go into that family.
So she's, I think she, what she's really terrified of is

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marriage being transactional or being this kind of this dark
void where it's not like it's freedom.
To chat, yeah. Yeah.
Like, so then it's like, you know, like, how can I think
there's a little bit of resentment from Eloise towards
Daphne to be so calm and collected?

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So that is why she needs that introspective point.
But I'd like to go into like, like going to the dialogue of it
because I think body language iseverything.
And I think someone made a very good parallel post about Philip.
You know what, his proposal to Marina in 108 and always saying
the exact thing in 102, which already kind of starts setting

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up like how perfect they are foreach other, please.
Oh yeah. Anyway, I hope that answered
your question, rocks. So.
I wanted to say just the fact that I think that Elle and
Anthony are very similar, that it brings this interesting
dynamic between Elle and Daphne because we see, you know, this
constant fight of agency betweenAnthony and Daphne.

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So it's interesting to view it because if you actually Elvis
and Anthony, you know, are the most alike, in my view, of the
four siblings. Yeah, but they have very
different position. I wouldn't have thought of it,
but you're so true, right, That they have very similar
personality. Like, yeah.
But they're so different in terms of, you know, what the

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society expects of them and whattheir family expects of them.
So, you know, people do not really view it.
But if you actually have focus, they're they're basically a copy
of one another. I'm sorry.
Like, yes, there are little differences, but out of all, I
would argue they are the most similar.
This makes that me, you know, dynamic with both of them.
Interesting for me because I want, you know, do anything

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against Anthony like she is the rebel against Violet, but she
won't go against Anthony in any way just either where I watch
the entire series, but she will Butch heads, butt heads with
Daphne. So it's interesting to be.
Actually Jonathan Bailey talked about it like when he was asked
like which sibling he was most look forward to.

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He made the correlation between Anthony and Ellis.
Like if anybody has to do as much cartwheels as Anthony in
their own season, it would be Eloise.
And like he was excited like to walk Eloise down the aisle when
when that season comes. So.
Was that reset then you said that?
Because that makes me kind of interested just to because they
are already in the writers room for season 5 apparently or so or

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so. Weird.
But guys, quite, I hope, I ladies, I hope you're OK with
this. We're not going to be
definitive. I think we can see that we have
a feeling for Louise's season 5.But I think it's just that I'm,
and this is just from me becauseI just get really hurt when it
becomes very definitive when a couple like, you know, because

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this is more shame to anyone, but there's a certain influence
on Instagram who's so definitivethat Franquela will be Season 5.
And it's kind of like you're like.
No, because you want. It's because, no, it's sometimes
comes across that she's dismissive of Phil Louise as a
couple because like she does notacknowledge that Philip and

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Eloise like even when like the commenters like say it could be
Philip and Eloise. And she says, yeah, but I think
Frank Kayla makes more sense. It's kind of like it's, it's a
little too hurtful. So I think just, but I don't
want to be a hypocrite and say, you know, it's.
Yeah, I think it's I. Think.
In terms of build up, I think weall expect probably it's going

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to be still I, I, we don't know.It could be another switch up,
but it could, you know, it's more likely than not it'll be.
It makes sense. It makes sense for either of
these couples, but I think we'rejust going to play it low and
say assuming whoever goes next. So I I hope that I want to say.
It's when we talk about the whenwe talk about fandom.

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I think it is so that what you said is so interesting that
you're like, it's just hurtful as a Phillies fan because I
genuinely like, I get so upset when people criticize Colin.
Like I take it so personally. Yeah.
Like they're talking about me do.
Not have to be. You do not have to go and put on

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such a hurtful label. You can say, yes, this bothered
me. He could have done it this way,
but I understand like, you know,trying to be empathetic.
I think empathy people need to practice empathy in their lives
a little. 100% and that everyoneis somebody's favorite
character, right? Like even if they're not your

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favorite? Yes, yeah.
I will just say that, you know, after season 3 drop, there was,
you know, the big backlash and Iwas, you know, hurt, hurt over
some comments. Not necessary because, you know,
people don't have you know, right to have an opinion.
But honestly, recently I'm kind of fine, like I can lurk and

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fairly subreddit and you know, they are convinced that she will
end up a few and I'm like, OK, Idon't see it, but it's
completely fine. When I was doing, you know, deep
dive, maybe you know how well they develop timeline regarding
regarding Elle and friend, And Ithink, you know, Elle will be
elite of season 5 And someone inthe comment was like, I didn't

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really see it. I see it more as friend I was
like yeah perfect, but don't askme to make another, you know,
post. Yeah.
Yeah, just take the information,do whatever you want with it.
I do not care. Just not ask me to reinforce
myself, OK? I do not think this is going to
work, but yeah, yeah, yeah. OK.
So we want Yeah, please, right. We're not.

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Yeah. I think because I am, I am
definitely an Eloise and I'm definitely trying to work on
this a little bit. But I think one of her best
qualities is that she she still tries, you know, not to lose
herself. Like even in Season 3 when she

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starts dressing fancier and befriends Cressida, I think
something that shocked all of usfrom the trailer, I think there
was a thing like I just because I've I'm friends with this
person, I'm not gonna let her bully Pen.
Like you didn't have to do that.Like she she calls Cressida out
on that. Then she's kind of like she

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accepts that she's responsible for accidentally spreading the
rumour about Pen. So she's she's adapting
accordingly. I think her worst quality, and
this was one of my worst qualities, is being so
judgmental, like kind of assuming things like jumping to
conclusions, something that I had to work on a lot.
Like with like trying to open a conversation with my with my

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mom, with my family, with my cousins and justice.
Having to take that process, like by being on my own, trying
to experience life on my own, which she's gonna do, I think
now in in between seasons 3 and 4, now going to Scotland.
So I think, yeah, that that was the one thing I liked and
disliked about her. What?
What about you guys? Oh, can I, sorry, can I see this

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is a very it's a very nerdy moment for me in season 2 when
she found like a pamphlet about Mary was on crap.
And she's like I that she got mentioned because that was very
time like the period matches andshe was one of the first people
who advocated for women's rights.
And like Eloise is like kind of like the Regency version of the

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feminist. And I think that's just like
very cool. And like Elle kind of took that
role on and like, I kind of hopethey could develop it a bit more
and put it in how the dynamic with Phillip would be like,
because I could see it working in a certain way in the book,
which I really hope it will. Actually, you know what?

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I've just, I've written this recently.
I just came. I was doing Scottish
suffragettes. I'm sorry.
I won't. I'm so sorry, guys.
I'm, I'm just gonna add this. Did you know that Charlotte
Lenox was a Scottish writer? And in 1813, she wrote the
female Quixote and Colin had dropped Don Quixote and a lot of

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people I don't think having as part of the female Quixote
because it's exactly it's, it's a, it's a, it's like it's a
similarly feminist character. And she married a distant friend
of her families. So it's kind of foreshadowing.
I love it. Lovely, I love.
This I didn't get you. I was like why don't kick out?

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What's what's he she do do with everything?
I was confused by the difference.
With Scotland, she's gonna discuss because Charlotte Lennox
was quite popular in Scotland during that Easter egg.
That would be quite cool. I'm so sorry.
Rocks and spoilers. Sorry.
Do you like and dislike about Ella?
Oh, sorry Ella, do you have anything else?

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Sorry. I'm sorry.
I mean, it's OK. I think it's, it's just like I
find it like she's still very young and like, OK, I'm not, I'm
going to say childish in a sensethat I've been there where I
jumped to conclusion where I just like did stuff out of spite
and everything. And I was like, that is very

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realistic. So I don't get why people hate
Eloise because I was like when Iwas her age, around her age,
that was worse. And I could like, they're very
realistic. She's very realistic.
And I love that, which is also ahuge flaw, but I love that about
her as well. What I personally really enjoy
is the fact that, you know, eachseason that there is going to be

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something with Elle and you know, because you have this
journey and she, you know, she gets into peace with Daphne and
then she has this romance with the sprinter and falling out of
pen and it's very interesting. And then you have season 3.
And I wasn't, you know, I wasn'texpecting her to becoming

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friends with Cresida. But when people found out and
they were, you know, panicking over it, I was just good.
This is interesting. And then I wondered Cresida, you
know, actually they have something in common.
And you know, this is no shade to Elle or Cresida, but there
is, you know, it's it's clear that they enjoy each other in a

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way, you know, that it's kind ofthe sharper side of L that
gravitates towards Cressida. And I like the fact that
actually L brought something interesting and, you know,
compelling from Cressida. I really enjoy this.
Like, I don't mind their mind dynamic at all.
Like I'm a pollinator, but I'm going to, you know, stand with

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stand with Cressida and I have no issue with with Elle.
I wanted to just touch upon maybe can we dive into the
question from the user because sharing my two sons that Eli's
goes through a flurry or different emotions in reaction
to Colin and Pence relationship.I'd be interesting in hearing

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about the range of emotions including initial shock, anger,
suspicion, sadness, etcetera. So personally I will just say.
I'm so sorry. Sorry.
She wants to. Can I just, I'll continue with
the second part of a question. What initiated Yeah, for me was
Eloise starting off by saying, understandably, that Pen needs

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to tell Colin that she is Lady Whistle down with the
implication that he can't truly love her if he doesn't know the
real here. But at the engagement party,
Eloise's words make it seem thatshe assumed Colin would have
broken off the engagement once Pen told him.
I don't, I don't believe that that.
I think it's like she was in like in thinking about 301

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because like Colin said, I wouldnever forgive Lady Whistle down.
So was she at first actively rooting for them to break up?
But also she discussed her sadly.
Here is. Here is hot opinion maybe when
people were reacting personally,I think Elle would always react

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harshly in the show to their relationship, even if it were in
and about whistle down. And I say this because, you
know, this was such a shock for her.
And when with this, you know, this information, this is very
huge deal. And I want I keep, you know,
telling people, uh, no, no, Colin should not forgive an

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instantly whatever whoever fought, you know, this is going
to be happily Davey, you know, resolution.
No, it won't and it will not. He had very legitimate reasons
to be upset about Whistle Down. And Elle knew more than anyone
else because she wasn't even tied, you know, to Colin as a
sister. She was also hurt by Whistle

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Down, but also she knew about his heartbreak over Marina due
to their scene in season 2. And she was actually the one who
suggested for him. You can visit her.
You can, you know, resolve this.So I wanted to say that I think,
you know, she was, I wouldn't say she was hoping that they

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would break up, but she was expecting that they would break
up. So.
I really love Louise. I definitely think that there is
part of her who is who, which isgenuinely upset and who fears
about Colin's reaction toward Whistle Down.
And there is also part of her which deeper down is bothered by

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the fact that, you know, a friend, I have a beef now, you
know, and I'm going to lose her and I'm going to lose my
brother. And she doesn't realize it.
I think it's, you know, is another part of the journey
between these two peace free. But I think that she would
always, you know, react very harshly.

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And I think that her reaction overall was very well handled.
Like, she was immediately like, why are you speaking with them?
But then she was like, yeah, yeah, speak with my brother.
It's fine. And then, you know, of course,
the engagement and she is absolutely in shambles.
And then people have problems with her not trying to be the

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mediator between them, but she, she went there in episode 8.
So it was kind of a gradual journey.
I, I found it very realistic personally, but I'm not saying
that, you know, I would do the same.
I I would probably wouldn't, butI really understand.
Yeah, I I think I'm just, I won't take too much time.

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Sorry. I keep, I'm sorry, Eloise is
like, I'm just so protectable. She's your favorite character?
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, be perfect. Yeah, it's just it's like I've
been through this situation. It's like, I think what Eloise I
think would be a big part in herseason is that she doesn't like
things that she doesn't see coming.

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Like the fact of the matter is. And she doesn't see it coming
because she's emotionally clueless.
Sorry. Because she doesn't see anything
coming because she's very focused on herself.
Yeah, no, because I think the fact of the matter is I think
she's like Anthony. She she likes, you know,
differently because she doesn't have control over herself as a
woman. Like she knows that she's gonna

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have to get married eventually because her mother's pressuring
her. She's kind of like kind of under
pressure from the queen because the queen, things that she's
whistle down. So it's like things that she
can't control kind of make her feel emotional.
And I've been through those situations.
It's like, I don't know whether you knew this, but actually my
brother went to go study abroad like he was 25 or something and

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I was 1617. I was wanting to enjoy my
experience, think of internships.
I was given control over his children's choir and I had no
experience, nothing more things of doing it.
And I had to just take over it while he went abroad.
And there was like a sense of, you know, I had to be the mature

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1. I had to plan the classes.
I had to, I might, my college was a train ride, like was a 20
to 30 minute train ride away. So as soon as I came back,
because I had evening classes, Ihad just a cup of tea or a
coffee and I had to go into choir lessons and learn the
pieces, make sure I practiced everything.
Do this, do that. Then go to sleep early, then go

(33:38):
for Sunday Mass and then come back and do and do the evening
mass. So it was like, and then I was
just trying to figure out college.
So it was kind of like, I, I getwhat Eloise was going through.
I just like there was no controlfor her.
And, you know, to go into the whiplash of yes, I've done this
with Ben. Yes, I'm gonna just try because

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in the first episode, she made it clear that, you know, I'm
gonna, I'm not going to tell anyone your secret, but I would
just like to be left alone. Like, that's why I tried to be
away from Penn. But she just kept being pushed
into these situations with Penn,be it requested, be it through
Colin. All of a sudden she's given this
whiplash of saying Colin is in love with Penn and Dev engaged.

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So it's kind of like she's in this emotional whiplash and
she's trying to get some control.
I think where she and I would deviate was the fact that she
openly threatened Pen at the toast.
Yeah, that was why. Yeah, that.
Was I was like Eloise? That was a step too far.
That was a step too far. Like you.

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Gave I see it as very seeing an avalanche and being like I will
do anything to stop it. Sorry, go El I.
Actually, I that's I know that was very inappropriate verb.
I love that scene because it really shows the dynamic of
what's going on. And also like, I mean, also
Colin was at fault because he hadn't heard a spoon, which is a
very sibling thing to do. But I'm just like.

(35:04):
And it gave her an opportunity. But yeah, I was like.
You know, so it's actually Colin's fault, not else, but but
like I I think it's just nothing's the whole scene played
out very well in us as the audience.
We know the dynamic where everyone was like, what the heck
is? I was so stressed during that,
her speech at the whole engagement party, I was like

(35:26):
sweating like it was. It was very stressing.
I was like, go girl, let's let'sbe toxic.
I wanted to just highlight the difference between Elle and
Benedict. Benedict is like, these are, you
know, having some issues there. And Colin is like, yeah, I'm
working on it, brother, don't worry about it.
But I was basically just like, you know, murdering them with,

(35:48):
oh. My God, I love it.
I didn't. I don't think I got to say my
what I like. Oh, sorry, but I agree with
everything everybody else said. Like it's she's really
judgmental, I think, but she does care about people.
And she, I think like I love, I think we all enjoy her.
Like I call her like a baby feminist because her feminism is

(36:12):
so like you're the intent when you first discover feminism and
you kind of go really hard, you know, it's that it's like
teenage. I was like that at 13, like
teenage feminism and it's entertaining, you know, and I
and I think. She's a character.
Because she is like the only person sort of like she's like

(36:35):
the, the modern audience's avatar in a way.
Because she's like, yeah, the one who's like calling out all
of these, you know, wrongs, you know, and, and in the plight of
women and all this stuff. I will say that like, I think
just to like build on one of thepoints, like I do think that a
huge part of her reaction to Colin and Penelope is about

(36:58):
feeling left out. And the sort of like feeling,
you know, like, Oh my gosh, likeI'm gonna now they're in a
relationship together and I'm shut out, especially because
Penelope, she and Penelope were so close and there was already
so much hurt in that relationship because she felt
betrayed by Penelope. And she does a lot of
projecting, I think. I mean, I think there is some

(37:18):
reality there to the like the fact that Colin is deeply hurt
and betrayed and so like she is protecting her brother, but I
think she's also kind of projecting his.
She doesn't expect that he's going to be able to forgive her,
to forgive Penelope because she can't forgive Penelope.
But Colin's a very different person, you know, and and I
think that like, yeah, so she does a bit of projecting.

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I also, I also think that the relationship she has with
Cressida is does sort of show some of that is a part of her
development, right? And we see some of Eloise's
flaws come into come to pass in that relationship because she is
like very privileged and very self-centered at a time when
Cressida is like in a really horrible situation and like

(38:06):
really need, really desperate and like really need somebody to
like be in her corner. And Eloise like fully abandons
her. And I'm hoping and I think these
are that I love Eloise. I think these are all like
stepping stones in her like journey.
So I think like, I would be veryinterested to see whether
Cressida makes a comeback and whether they loop back on like

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what happened in this relationship and have Eloise
like take some accountability. And I'm not saying like she, I
mean, Cressida was also like doing kind of crappy stuff.
So like, it's not that. It's not that.
I mean, she, she was, you know, publishing slander about the
Bridgertons. So I'm not saying I'm not like,

(38:47):
yeah, I'm not saying I was totally in the wrong, but I'm
just saying like, that is I think Season 3 did a really good
job of building up like her. What are her flaws?
What are her, you know, challenges she has to overcome
as a character. And I think she's had one of the
best buildups of like any character leading up to their
season. Right, just one small thing.
I'm so sorry. Once again, I just have to think

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I who which one of you here justgave a standing ovation when
Cressida said all you do is talklike I know she kind of twisted
that. I was like Cressida, That was
one. I mean, yes, I didn't like the
fact that she like said, I've made something like taking
credit for Penn. Like I know she's playing the
part that she is like now, but but I was like, yes, you did

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that. That is like, I think that was
one of biggest like I was like, yes, you.
Yeah. Yeah.
I would also like to sorry, yeah, sorry, I would just to
highlight that you know, we talkabout how Elle hangs out with
Crested and how you know, it shows she has meaner side.

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But I want to highlight the factthat Collins, you know, pushy
behaviour, you know, people placing behaviour also leads
him, you know, to hang out with very toxic people.
And, you know, we talk about howyou know it impacts him and, you
know, definitely does. But I think that this is
interesting because they are merged one another, you know,

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again. And yeah.
And of course, we are like, welcome and hangs out with these
guys because, well, he wants to,you know, protect this image of,
you know, this perfect rakish guy, you know, who's very
popular and who just wants to hang out.
And L just, you know, sticks to Cressida because, well, she kind

(40:38):
of needed to. She needed some emotional, you
know, support. And we know that what was
written about her impacted her in the summer.
So it wasn't her deliberate choice altogether.
So I will, you know, as a Colon defender, as a, you know, proud
Colon fan, I will, you know, through this, you know, to just,

(41:01):
you know, keep it, keep it born.I, I for one have never like I
totally understood why she will gravitate it towards Cressida,
in part because she says to Penelope, she was the only
person that would talk to me, you know, over the summer
because of what you did, right? Like you wrote about me and

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whistled down and now everyone was now then everybody was
shutting me except for Cressida.So like, what choice did she
have? And you also see that like, I
think Elle starts to genuinely like Cressida like that she has
such good qualities and she is funny.
You know, she's mean, but she iskind of funny and.
And, and that she has reasons for being how I'm like a

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Cressida fan actually, even though I love Penelope because I
I think that. Yeah, yeah.
I don't like the arc. Yeah.
Yeah, actually just one thing isthat what you said about Colin
and Eloise is also quite interesting is because I think
there's a thing about addiction for both Colin and Eloise.
Not like, not like, I mean, addiction is kind of big because

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it's like, I've heard this somewhere on another great
podcast, but it's like you develop a coping mechanism,
which then becomes a defense mechanism mechanism.
And then it becomes this defective process because when
you're not equipped with dealingwith it, and then you latch on
to external things like validation, like, so like, you

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know, Collins, like trying to emulate Anthony because it's
kind of a thing of wanting to feel accepted, to feel
validated. So he latched on to this
external thing of being with theLord squad.
And then Eloise is like, there'sthis codependency of first, I
know that unique Blueberry said about this, like she doesn't
consider that Penelope might notwant to be a spinster.

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She just latches onto his out ofa codependency because she's
like, you know, being I think both of them suffer from a
little bit of validation. So I think it'll be interesting
to see, like now Eloise is becoming a little more isolated
because Colin is now married Ben.
So it's it's interesting to see where it goes.
Elle, do you want to add anything?
I'm so sorry. No, I think, I think you just

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hit all the marks so. Yeah.
I think one thing is that I think we've talked about Colin
and Eloise and Louise and Daphne.
Do we have any other dynamic? And Eloise and Benedict for
sure. Is there any other dynamic which
is important? Could I say Eloise and Violet?
Eloise and Violet? Yeah, yeah.
OK. Ella, we didn't say parental

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dynamics. This changes everything OK.
Fine, fine. We won't talk about it now, but
I have a very interesting theorybecause I know that she's
violence has gone head to head with her daughters.
I OK, Rox, I know you're a Gilmore Girls fan.
How long? How much do you know of Gilmore
Girls? I'm so sorry.
Oh me I I know a lot of the ploteven though I haven't.

(43:55):
I've only watched season 1 and Idon't care about spoilers so go
ahead. Right.
So you must be aware that they kind of like Rory and Lorelei
parted ways during like the sixth season because Rory
dropped. Season 4 no.
No season 5 and Lorelei stopped speaking.
Oh, sorry, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
I'm casual, just like. I mean, yeah, I'm also a casual

(44:17):
Feel More Girls fan. Yeah, I was, I was quite, I was
quite a thing. But then I've lost interest in
it. But I think it would be
interesting to see Eloise kind of be on a similar break with
Violet. Like, I'm not staying, I'm not
staying at Bridgeton House. I'm moving in with Colin and
Penelope and that that's hard tomeet.

(44:38):
Visits like the Huntington goes oh OK this is this is
interesting Porsche and Elle like what do you guys page?
I don't think they get along at all.
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I also this is a very.
Interesting question. Probably more than anybody knows
how Porsche, like Eloise and Collins, made us.

(44:59):
Peaceful. Yeah, it's definitely yell at.
Yeah, that's probably. Yeah, yeah.
But Eloise and Porsche, I don't see them.
Could be interesting. Though okay, if any viewer you
know wants to drop you know their thoughts I would be very
interested. You know, living with with the
feathering 10s fanfic is yeah. Great.

(45:21):
Please rate it. Because then she would get more
affiliated with children becausethen her nephew is there that if
like Paul and have another baby.Because I think a lot of people
were speculating that Ben is pregnant again for some reason,
which I I don't. Think so, but yeah.
Well, I mean, if you follow the book they had, I think they had
three children in three years. If you follow the book, I don't

(45:45):
hopefully just give Pen a break,Colin, just give her.
A break Colin, your pull out game could use some.
More Simon Frozen. Why?
Are we blaming Colin though? Because.
Because we know we know Pen is pretty feral for him.
So yeah. Finger Simon, you know.
OK, so we have to this time, OK,next.

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There is. I just want to call out the on
the pollen sub, there's a wonderfully insightful user
named Lemon Saltwater who wrote a fanfic about this exact
subject and it was hilarious. So.
Oh yeah, yeah, we, we should invite her one of these days.

(46:27):
Like. Oh my God, yeah.
OK, I think we're gonna just speed run.
I think because Francesca and Heisen, we don't have a lot of
info about them. So we're gonna speak about what
we liked about them and what we're excited to see them in the
coming seasons. Let's change it up a little bit.
So what did you like about Francesca?
I think because we know the mostabout her in Season 3.

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So one thing that you liked about her, like whatever it is
and what you're excited about her.
Let's let's combine the questions.
So spoiler, go ahead. I just wanted to point out, you
know, that basically I have onlywon a note about Francesca
before season 2 and that's, you know, during the premiere when

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they discuss Simon. And basically she's like, you
know, maybe she likes this, you know, brooding type guy.
And she's talking about this with Elle.
And it feels I was just so in conflict with Season 3.
Francesca. I love it.
Yeah. Yeah, like I, I.
Welcome you, you know, perfect. But you know, the past
interaction was like what? But it's all right.

(47:37):
Personally, you know, I think that something you know, about
girl who just wants her quiet ina very chaotic household of 8-9
is interesting concept. I wonder how they will develop
it. I will also say that I was of
course, sorry, I was very surprised by, you know, her

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journey and of course, the finalmoments.
I will just, you know, mention it here when you know, I have, I
have the call. You know, I didn't really like
the fact that they included bothmoments.
However, when I was rewatching with my mom, she didn't caught
it at all. Like not even once.

(48:19):
Like when, you know, her reaction to the case, my mom was
like totally lost it when, you know, yeah, definitely when she
was reacting to Michaela. I just look at my mom, you know,
wondered what's going on and no,didn't catch it at all.

(48:40):
Obviously all of us like have rewatched we've we're so deep in
that we like catch everything and like so much of the general
audience probably is like catching 50%, you know?
Like what's going on? Yeah.
And I was basically like, looking at her being like,
maybe, you know, there is the bias with, you know, with her
being straight, not being, you know, accustomed to gay content.

(49:03):
So maybe I was like, maybe, you know, I give her a hint.
So I was like, you know, there she actually has a book and, you
know, there's character named Michael.
And she just look at me like, all right.
And I was like, you're like, yeah.
I had to explain this entire thing and she was like, yeah,

(49:26):
right. Like I understand your mom's
perspective. I think a lot of The thing is
like, I think so many like couples, I think they feel I
think one thing that Bridgeton does is like everything is like
passion and heat and that's likethe sexiness.
It's a sexy show. But I I think having Francesca

(49:46):
and John be this this quiet kindof and I think what is also
exciting to see Violet with Lordwho Anderson.
Anthony Anderson, I'm sorry. I.
Understand. Yeah, seeing the the quiet, I

(50:08):
think because even I like those kind of relationships where
there's quite a companion bill thing.
It's not always just heat and fire, but it's like, you know,
trying to like a person enjoyingyou and you can just be in your
skin. You don't have to make an
effort. I think those are the
relationships that I think got us like hyped up for Francesca
and John. So I think that's why I can get

(50:30):
it. What were you saying?
What would you like to say? OK I have the most unpopular
opinion on this is my hottest perfect fandom take.
OK, is the. Francesca is your favorite.
I did not like the Francesca story until the moment they
introduced Michaela and I was like now at all.
Now. At all.

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That's. It all makes sense why like
something felt really off to me about this relationship.
I mean, look, I'm a fireworks person.
I will admit that and I'm I likeit.
So I understand why people love the idea of like a calmer love
and like a quieter relationship.That's not me.

(51:13):
And I'm also like, I feel like this is not that show, you know
what I mean? Like, this is not.
It was really subverting my expectations for what Bridgerton
is. I hadn't read the books yet when
I saw season 3 because I was a casual.
Oh, that's the capital I've seen.
Season 1 and 2 like once each and then I only got like excited

(51:34):
like when season 3 because I always did like calling him
Chalpy. So when I realized I it was like
a week before the show dropped that I realized there was even a
Bridgerton coming out and that it was special bad.
So then I like quickly rewatchedseason 1 and 2 to like refresh
myself because I'm a nerd. And then I watched season 3 and

(51:54):
the whole time I was like, firstof all, I know they do 1.
They do one couple a season. So like, this isn't her end
game. Like it can't be something weird
is going on. Something's going to happen.
And then I was with I was with Violet every time she was like,
how are they going to get to know each other if they don't
talk? And I was like, exactly Violet,
thank you, I'm with you. And and then when she had the

(52:15):
weird, you know, reaction when she kissed him, I was like, I
felt very validated in the fact that I was like, this is there's
something off and I this is not.I thought both actors did a
great job playing Francesca and John.
I thought that I loved Victor Ali.
He's very handsome. I thought he I loved, I had so
much affection for John because he was like such a sweet, like

(52:35):
non-toxic man. But it just something about the
dynamic didn't feel right to me.And then when she met Michaela
and having had that conversationbefore with Violet, it all made
sense. It all clicked.
I was like, Oh, this is the speechless moment, right?
Where she meets the person and she is like very attracted.
And it's, this is what's missingin her relationship with John.

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And I just want to say like I, Ihave, I do think the fact that I
had not read the books was a huge because I didn't have
expectations. I didn't have any attachment to
John. I didn't have any attachment to
Michael. I had nothing.
So I was just coming in totally clueless.
And I was like, Oh, now this is super interesting and I'm
excited to see where they go with it.

(53:17):
I'm still going to be sad when John dies, but I'm I'm excited.
Oh yeah, no, I'm just, I just totally disagree with rocks.
Interesting. Go on.
No. I because I like the fact that
like she's, she wants peace and quiet, but she likes music,
right? And like she heard a piece of
music and what John did for her.Like it's a different kind of

(53:38):
love. Maybe it's not romantic love.
I don't like you know, but because I read the book
beforehand. So then this is like the the the
bond between like John Fran and Michael Mckayla in this in the
show chance like they have the three of them have a bond and I
think that should be more lookedat than just just individual 2

(53:59):
because there was this how this Fran move on from this because
like even if she doesn't like love him romantically, there is
a relationship. They did have something there
wasn't fun and I think. I.
Hope it doesn't get diminished. I know like, yeah, like I'm just
hoping I yeah, I just really want to see how the dynamic

(54:21):
worked out. And also I it was Michaela slash
Michael who fell in love with Fran 1st and I wish they showed
that more instead of the and then and then and then Fran
realized that. And I think that might have been
better showcasing, in my opinion.
Yeah, Sorry, Joe, no. No, I think that.
I think your opinion is like themajority opinion of the fandom

(54:44):
by far. Like I'm I'm alone in my corner.
No, agree, disagree. It's it's it's it's true, and
some things are a little bit, but but I actually I've just
let's cap this off with one. Don't Don't you think it's
interesting that Francesca does not play in the Panama game at
all in 203? Well, her actress wasn't

(55:05):
available through so it was likeFrancesca is in Bath guys.
She's. Learning to play piano No.
No, but it worked out. It worked out really well.
Because actually her, yeah. It's not about playing the
romance game. It's actually figuring out that
does she deserve to have a second chance at love?
Because if you think about it, Anthony is kind of playing the

(55:27):
marriage mark game. Benedict will play the marriage
mark game to find Sophie. Colin played like didn't play it
until he found Penelope. Like taking over Benedict's spot
as #3 in the series. And Eloise, you know, send it
Eloise, send it Eloise number 5,right?
I mean, we don't know for sure, but Francesca doesn't play the

(55:51):
game. Like she literally gets John and
like the Queen is a little bit incensed that it's not, but like
there's no real conflict about her, you know, because she
doesn't have to go to the Queen and give this big speech like
Daphne and Simon did in One O 5.So it's kind of very interesting
that she doesn't play in the Paramount game at all and she

(56:12):
doesn't have that much conflict in getting together with John.
So it's kind of like she's playing a different kind of game
compared to her. Siblings.
So I I think one thing the fans didn't like was the fact that
like, they did set up a conflictbetween Francesca and Violet
where she's like, no, you don't understand.
Like, this kind of love that I have with John is equally valid.
And like, Violet is the one thatneeds to, like, come around.

(56:34):
And then the ending obviously undercuts that because it turns
out, at least on some level, Violet was kind of correct.
And I know a lot of people hatedthat.
I personally thought it was interesting because, like,
Violet is wrong and right kind of in different ways.
Yeah. She says something because, and
I think we've all come into those moments where she says
something true. It is very true that

(56:56):
unfortunately there is no like it's not it's not the
relationship. I could see you having like for
a long term because it's like itis quiet, but it's like you need
to have like a marriage. You need to have when you're
having children, you need to have that feeling that you're a
human being rather than just being a mother.
I'm sorry and no offense rocks. I didn't want to say this.

(57:18):
No, no, but. Mothers are human beings.
But I know what you mean. Like it?
Helps. It's true.
It's. It really helps to have the
spark, at least to begin with, and then yeah, you know, cause a
lot of challenges will get thrown your way.
Yeah, And it sometimes it happens like that.
Like we get into arguments wherewe mean, well, we mean well, but
we kind of frame it the wrong way, you know?
So, yeah. Well, I'm excited to see, like,

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what they do in Season 4 becauseI think, I mean, I did.
I think Jazz Brahmins did tease that she's gonna find that
something's missing in her marriage.
Yeah, I kind of feel bad for theactors and Jasper and all
because I know they're going to get a lot of hate.
I and I will go out and say like, I think some of it
genuinely as homophobia, becauseI don't think that if it were

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Michael that had been introduced, I don't think that
the reactions would be quite as intense.
Maybe people would still have critiques of the storyline, but
I don't think we would get the vitriol that we've gotten.
And I, but I think that like they do have a, a needle to
thread because they are going tohave to build up Michaela and
Francesca without making it seemlike Francesca's like being

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emotionally unfaithful or, you know, it's going to, I'm
interested to see how they, how they do that.
Yeah. All right, so sorry.
I'm and we're going to have to just wrap up a little bit soon.
So do you have anything about Gregory like any like?
He's such a sweetie. He's such a little sweetie with

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dimples. I haven't book I.
Haven't. Honestly, Gregory's book is the
only one I haven't read yet, so like, I've been meaning to.
I've heard stuff. I kind of know what's going to
go on, like. And for his poor wife, yeah.
She Colin. Yeah, I.
Think that's why I love him. I I want to.
I know that. He's on on the tour with Colin.

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That's all I need to do. I want to know what they're
going to do because he's going to be an ETA now.
Sorry. Yeah, so.
Have a time jump or something? Like a baby version of Anthony
in some. Oh, especially.
Because he breaks up a wedding, yeah.
He's a mix of all his brothers. He is he and he has kind of a

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friends to lovers story, but it is sort of similar to the
Anthony thing except they're like fret it's like 2 friends
instead of two sisters. It's yeah.
He's still blind. I love it.
He's very chaotic and he's very sweetie like he really wants to
fall in love. I think.
I think his book, I think the trouble that I have is just
because like the actors are likebasically kids right now and we

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yeah, up his kids. So there's a little bit of ick
thinking about like their seasons, but I'm hoping by the
time 12 years or whatever far enough in the future that we
won't mind. Yeah, right.
And Hyacinth. Do you have anything about
Hyacinth? She's the, I mean, I love the
second sight. Like she's able to predict what?
Not Duke. And what about my sister?

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Like I think the Fidelity is quite fortunate to have you.
I want them to continue that. I want them to.
And then when it's her season, it's just like, completely.
That's I want the previous. This is nothing.
Maybe don't. Very can step in it, yeah.
But I also want to I first I want to like if Gregory is like
Anthony 2.0, I want to see Eloise being sorry Hyacinth

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being. Eloise, yeah.
So she loves the marriage Mart, right?
So she isn't excited. I mean, one thing I loved about
Hyacinth, I think this is something I like about Daphne
and Hyacinth is that in in so much of like romance media and
media in general, like women areshamed for actually liking
romance and like wanting to be girly.

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And it's like the kind of ideal is like, oh, the feisty tomboy
who like doesn't care. And I've never been that way,
right. Like I'm such like, I'm like a
I'm AI. I'm, I've always been like a
girly girl. And I was a bit of a wallflower,
but I really wanted, like, love and romance when I was a
teenager. And I like, and as a adult

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woman, I'm like, you know, I I am like other girls, you know
what I mean? Like, I'm like, I'm not not like
other girls. And so I think, like, one thing
I really liked about Hyacinth isthat she was so into, like, the
Princess fantasy. And she was like, oh, Daphne,
are you going to be a Princess? And it was like,
unapologetically a little girl. Yeah.
And the show doesn't shame her, you know?

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And I love that. Yeah, but I hope one thing is
that now after meeting the Poseyand Rosman like like, because
she's kind of looking a little bit shocked by Rosman a little
bit. So I do think it's kind of like,
you know what it I don't need torun.
I need, I don't need to debut prematurely and I, I need to
slow down because the fact of the matter is she's kind of

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putting the cart before the horse and like, kind of like she
needs to understand it's, it's abig responsibility.
I've said this before. So I, I hope like she takes her
time. She kind of like sees these love
stories and then just, you know,focus on her studies because I
think she learns translate French, right?

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Yeah, Italian. I think she's very.
Smart Italian. Italian.
I kind of see. I want to see Hyacinth unleash
absolute chaos on the marriage Mart.
I want all the men to. Follow.
Themselves to propose to her andfor her to be like Nope, not
you, not you, not you until she and she ends up having basically
like a heist plot in her in her book which is hilarious.

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Yeah, it's quite a deep. I have a small headcount which I
want to share. I'm not, you know, I don't know
if she will be a diamond or not.I do not really care.
But I want her. Yeah, I want her to.
When it's presentation time and everyone's wondering, you know,
how will she react? I want her to, you know, just

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bring, I don't know, Rat and just, you know, cause chaos with
other debutantes. So she basically, you know,
cleans the room and she's like, yeah, I'm ready to go.
Thank you guys. And then she basically
gracefully walks in just, you know, for her title.
And I'm I'm not saying she needsto be a diamond, but I really
want you to her you to see kind of combination of all sisters.

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Like she just walks in kind of Daphne style, but with Eloise's,
you know, spark. We haven't since Daphne's scene
character that really like embraced the marriage mark, and
I think that that will be fun tosee.
And that was part of what was done about Daphne to me.
Right. OK, So that that was a very,
very, very long dissection of our piddlings like it's it's

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gonna be a money's worth. Dearest gentle listeners, I
think we're gonna just wrap up. I think we have one another
question. I just wanted to touch upon it.
I just wanted to say that I think this question kind of
requires us to, you know, put itin the pregnancy talk, which we
plan to do in the future. I think it's a very elaborate

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question. So I will, you know, also
comment on the user. I was kind of, you know, worried
this will happen, but I just wanted to throw in there.
We count with you. I will remember it.
Just so sorry. Go, go.
Great questions and we will try to like address as many of them
as. We possible, yes.
Thank you so much guys. It was really fun talking about

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the Brigitte and siblings. We'll see you all next time.
Good. Thank you to everybody who has
been listening and thank you to all of you for having this great
conversation. I had a lot of fun and we look
forward to seeing everybody nextWednesday.
See ya. All right.
Spoiler. See you.
Yeah, yeah. Bye.