Episode 03A: Follow the Blue-Ribboned Road- Analyzing the Forbidden Love in Benophie

Dearest Gentle Mayfairers,

Our beloved Captain once said that it was time to look toward the future whatever it may bring, and with that in mind, our next series of episodes focus on the future couples that have been developed.

In today’s episode we discuss the much anticipated Benophie - the relationship between our resident artistic bohemian Benedict Bridgerton and the lovely but elusive Sophie. You will hear our thoughts and predictions for Benophie’s plot, themes, tropes, and character arcs in season 4 - as well as some other season 4 predictions and speculations. With thanks to all the Benophie fans who sent in their questions, we’ll also be addressing fan hopes and fears for S4.

We hope you have a pleasant time listening - do let us know what you think!

Yours Truly,

The Whistledowners

Episode Transcript

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Dearest gentle listeners, we arethe whistle Downers.
Like our predecessor Lady Whistle Down who breathed down
the necks of 1800s Mayfair society.
We are 4 headstrong women. On this podcast, we'll analyze
and discuss the complex and eyeball catching escapade that
is the hit Netflix show Bridgerton.
Join us as we delve deeply into the shows, plots, themes,

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characters, and more. Are you ready?
Let's begin. Hey everyone, how's it going?
Hi, guys. Hi, guys.
Hey. How have you guys been?
It's June already. Oh yeah.

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Yeah, we have not spoken three weeks I believe.
Yeah, so, but it's so nice. To watch something with you all
back and forth though about the episodes.
Yeah, it's not video. Well.
I was doing my Cambridge exams to figure out whether I can
speak English or not. Four to six weeks I will find
out how bad I actually am. I must say that I was definitely

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looking over to speaking with you rather than speaking with
those professors about pictures with no context and wondering if
I say kayak right. Yeah, right.
At least. Yeah.
The entire time I was wondering,kayak, kayak, kayak.
It's a word used in Czech too, but then you're wondering what's

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the pronunciation you know. But it's funny you should say
that because I work at Popeyes and sometimes I say Cajun and
people are saying it's Kajun, and then I start singing.
You say Cajun and I say Kajun. Let's call the whole thing off.
It's the accent where you're from and how you say the word
kayak is from an Inuit word which they don't have a case

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sandwich English or like the colonizer changed it sound blah
blah sorry. No, it's great for now.
I'm so sorry. We are already of script.
Yeah, No, I totally agree with Sam and it's so great to see you
guys. And I think we did a little bit
of change I think with the orderof episodes.
We were going to talk about the ton, but with so much of

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excitement for Bridget and I think because it's coming out
sooner than like early next year, I think we were like,
let's do a couples appreciation episode.
For the upcoming couples. Yeah, yes.
I think it was kind of gradual because, you know, we have Word
document about it and we just kept adding notes to, you know,

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those episodes about couples andthe tone looked kind of hollow
in comparison. So I think the joke and I look
at it and was like, yeah, guys, we need to.
Sorry, Yeah. OK, so before we kick, this
episode will center on Benofi, who is our upcoming season 4
leads. Let's begin with your overall

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impressions, like how excited you guys are about these next
three couples. Uh Season 5 and Season 6 were
confirmed on 14th of May. I believe so.
It was in midst, maybe 16th. Somewhere around there. mid-May,
remember? Because it was 14th, there was
the the renewal and then 16th was like congratulating Poland

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because it was one year anniversary.
And The funny thing is that, andThe funny thing is that when
this episode is released, it's gonna be the one year
anniversary of the second-half of season. 30 anniversary to
that. Time flies, yeah.
Do you guys remember like what that week was?
Because I remember it's so viscerally like last.
Year I was so I was like I'm gonna die and before they like

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bring out the second-half like it was like torture waiting for.
No, I remember there was a Netflix geeked event.
There was something where we gotreleased the clip of Colin stag
do on Wednesday. Tuesday was Madame delicate
Genevieve and pens conversation at the Moody's on one talk show.

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Wednesday was the 1st 4 minutes of Season 3 episode 5 TikTok and
for those who are lucky to have got an e-mail link to to join
the premiere of season 3. That was the That was the
Wednesday evening and then Thursday was the 10:00 at, in my
case, 10:00 release of. I have never gone so fast, so

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deep into anything in my life. Like I went from a very casual
Bridgerton watcher but he liked the show OK Nothing.
Saw season 3 Part 1, instant obsession.
I got on, I made like a Reddit account, started watching all
the promo because I was like so hungry for content, you know, in

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between in that month I started listening to What a Barb?
I like listened to all the What a Barb episodes.
And then I watched, signed up and watched the Part 2 premiere
and I was like, I don't know what happened to my brain in
between what drugs they put in this full in session.
I was one of those people who actually, you know, didn't binge

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watch the first. Oh my.
God to start wrong. Yeah, this, this was exactly
what people were writing to me After, you know, I returned.
I muted all subreddits. And then, you know, I was like,
I am going to watch episode 1, you know, at the release date.
And then my friend just texted me, oh, don't you want to watch
with me? It of course turned out that she

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was only available the next week, so I didn't even watch at
the release date. I had to wait the entire week.
I watched the 1st 5 minutes, youknow, to cope then you know.
Losing my mind. And then we watched on one
meeting the 1st 2 episodes and of course we know how episode 2.

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Oh good. Night you're like, so die if we
don't watch the. Next, yeah, I'm gonna die.
So I was like, can you please watch portion of episode 3?
So we watch portion of episode 3.
After we watched this, we were supposed to go to the garden and
talk to strangers because, you know, they were just inviting
us. And, you know, I was by my

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friend's place. And I had to pretend like I'm
normal being not just obsessed with this show and that I'm
really interested in these random people.
Yeah. So it was very hard.
Sorry. Sorry.
Go. Because I had a similar face
with, not with Bridgeton, but with Final Destination.
Like everybody I went, I was talking about the first four

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films because I'd only watch thefirst four films at that point.
And like everybody is like, haveyou watched the recent one?
I can't watch like horror moviesat all, so yeah.
No, no, no. But I had a similar face, so
it's so yeah, it was. So we start with Banoffee.
I want to to just state like have an overall impression of
the couples, if that's all rightwith you guys.
So can you name one thing you'reexcited about these next three

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couples? Because I think more or less
like we know that Eloise and Francesca have been set up for
either 5 or 6 because, you know,we've seen their love interest.
We know they're going to be nextbecause of the book order.
And Gregory and Heissen are not just there yet.
So what were like, what makes you more excited?
What makes it different from seasons one to three which had

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Daphne, Anthony and Collin? I would say that for Benefit, I
really look forward to the tending scene in Cottage.
I don't want to spoil too much, but we all know what I'm talking
about. This is my trope when one
someone takes care of the other one.
Regarding the other couples withFellowes, I think that I'm most

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interested in the initial beginning.
And how will they, you know, getElle to the Crane estate?
I wonder how they're going to approach this because this is
often regarded as very out of character, even for book Elle.
So I wonder what reasoning the show will give Elle.
And I know that Joe has certain theories.
I think we all do. When Fellowes comes, I I have a

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beast of it to talk with Rocks. I think she and I kind of geeked
out on the the dropping, like wewere not going to spoil it here
because this is do you have any excited to see?
Well, I mean, like spoiler already talked about, like the
my cottage scene, which I am excited for.
I'm also like interested how, because Eloise is such a

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different character from the book.
I want to see how that goes and like a spoiler like like, you
know, Philip and Marina, how they're going to address that
because that's totally changed from the book.
I want to see that. But like with friend Kayla, I am
not sure because like I want to see how this Michaela and
Michael are still similar in a sense where like you know, book

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spoiler again. Like he went off and traveled
for like 7 years or something like that and came back and then
the second chance love stories. I want to see that, but I want
to see how they address it because I was reading an
article, I can't find it anymore.
But it was like Julia Quinn and a bunch of other people like no
like Francesca loves John and like we're not going to minimize
that. I want to see that because like,

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there's different kinds of love and I want to see how.
Oh yeah, I think. That was an.
Entertainment Weekly. Yeah.
And even Julia Quinn wrote aboutit on social media, Like, like
she wrote a full letter to the fans.
Like, they really talk to me about it.
And there's been, I think when we get into the episode, we will
talk about the recent posts, like when she was, I think she
was a judge for one writing competition.
And she did speak out about like, she knows who's next and

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she knows about what is being filled in for Franquela.
So we will get into that. Roxy gonna go.
I'll cap off the sequence. You go ahead.
I think for Benofi, I'm looking forward to two things.
One is I actually do really loveCinderella tropes.
This can cut both ways, but I love the Lily James Cinderella,
the live action Disney Cinderella.

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It's so beautiful. But at the same time, I don't
think anyone's gonna be able to like top that for me in terms of
like, you know, the Cinderella tropes because it's Disney.
It's beautiful. I'm sorry, I'm chick girly and
the best Cinderella is our Cinderella and everyone in
Europe agrees with me. Sorry if you haven't seen it,
please try it. It's one of the favorite

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Cinderella retelling. Sorry, go ahead.
I'm going to check that out immediately.
It's kind of because. I don't.
I think it's called free wishes in English.
I'm not certain free wishes for Cinderella.
But Oh my God, yeah. The original is Czech.
Well, we made it collaboration with Germany in Germany, in East
Germany at the time. So it's Czechoslovak.

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Well, I and I, and I mean the original noted the remake of
Norway, Norway in 2015. I'm not sorry.
For some time. Jeez.
Oh, that's great. Yeah.
Just had a little bit of. Sorry, go back.
I'm excited to watch that. It's funny because I don't love
the love at First sight or instalove trope and romance stories,

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but I make an exception for Cinderella for some reason.
I think this is a fairy tale. So I'm kind of curious to see
whether I'm gonna like it or notin Bridgerton season 4, because
it is. They're kind of doing the fairy
tale trope, but kind of not. You know, I'm really interested
mostly in Sophie and in her family story and in how they

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show the kind of upstairs, downstairs aspect.
When I read the book, Sophie wasone of my favorite like
characters of the Bridgerton universe.
Like she's very compelling. And so I'm kind, I'm a little
bit more interested in like her even than in the room.
You know, I am interested in theromance and how they do it.
But I'm like the most interestedin like Sophie and Sophie's

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family and like the evil stepmother and step, you know,
kind of step sister. Yeah, I think how they.
I hope they will do more with Aramenta because in the book it
felt like she's there, then she's there, like not the almost
the entire book. And then, you know, she just
appears out of nowhere. And I'm like, sorry, this feels,

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you know, this doesn't feel very, you know, gradual.
So I hope that they will give her some arc.
They can't just have, you know, her dwindling dare.
Villain. Yeah, yeah.
More interesting if she has. What about Philouise and
Franquila? I think I'm very excited for
Philouise and Franquila. I I'm actually most excited, I

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think, for those two. For Philouise, I'm really
excited to see how Elle sort of like changes, like what's gonna
make her change her mind about getting married.
It's gonna have the dynamic between them is gonna have to be
like so good. And I'm really looking forward
to the kind of, you know, she's sort of a madcap character.
And Phil is a very, we'll get into this a little bit more in

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their thing in the tropes. So they.
They really can do kind of like a bringing up baby screw 1930s
screwball comedy dynamic betweenthe two of them that I think
there could be a lot of comedy in their season, which I would
really appreciate. And I think I'm gonna like Phil.
I think Philip is gonna be my second favorite after Colin of
the male leads. I like a nice honorable

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gentleman and and I hope we see Phillip and Colin together
geeking out again because I loved that and everything we've
seen of Phillip in the show so far.
I know people have issues with this book character.
Everything we've seen of him in the show so far is that all of
he has done is show up to marry his the the the woman his

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brother basically screwed over, even if he loved her, you know,
given up all the. Yeah, yeah.
No, but I think. Giving up all his own hopes and
dreams to be like a good guy, you know, taking on his niece
and nephew's essential anyway, like justice for Phillip is like
all I'm saying, like show Phillip so.
Like show Phillip did nothing wrong.

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I mean, let's keep it short, butI have some I've like.
I've written out a character study for him, like a personal
character study, which I'd like to get into, but I think and
with Frank I like. Any thoughts?
Yeah, I mean, I I'm a huge fan, Kayla fan.
I thought their chemistry was amazing and like the moment that
they met. I really like that book,
actually. And I think actually.

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I'm sorry about that. It's good and I think actually
during the gender flip will remove some of the issues I had
with the book with with like allthe men in the book are
problematic in different ways. So I think it's so I, I think
I'm actually even more excited for Michaela and I, I think the
actresses are going to absolutely kill it.
And I'm really interested to see, I don't need them to be

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perfectly faithful to the book story.
Like I really enjoyed the book. I kind of viewed the books as
their own thing. If the if the story has
different beats, if her love forJohn is different than it is in
the book, I'm fine with that. I think it's going to be like a
good and interesting story in its own right.
And I think it's like, I'm a cisgender heterosexual woman,
but I think eight seasons of straight romance would be boring

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as hell. So I'm really excited to see in
this Regency world how they do alesbian love story like I think
it's going to be. Yeah, yeah.
No. And it's also, they have
explained the circumstances about it that it, it does like
there's not much trouble. Like when it comes to that like
line of them being together, they're going to have to be,

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yes, a bit discreet, but it's not going to have like a lot of
consequences because we'll get into it.
We'll get into it, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. I want it too long with mine.
But I have just two important points of what I think about 3
couples. I think the one thing is that
the teams are going to get more darker and some like issues that

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still happened today will come center stage, which is 1 is the
the whole notion of classism in season 4.
You know, it's like how much of our like approval still goes
into social standing. And I know, and it's something
that I've seen like culture wiseas well because, you know, I've
come from an East Asian background.

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If it's East Asian, yeah. But I'm Indian.
So I've I've seen what it is like in terms of that class
divide. So I think that is something
that is not as prevalent as today, but it's still still is
there. It's still exists in some notion
and with fill ways. I think there is a potential to

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maybe see white supremacy because The thing is, is that
we'll explain it that there's a,there's a specific reason why it
could be that they explore the, the downside of white supremacy
and with and of course, with season 6, this is not, I hope
this doesn't come offensive withwhat it is to be queer like

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queerness to understand it in silk way.
So I think there is like going to be a more nuanced explanation
of those kind of things that arevery modern in Richland, because
I, I mean, we'll talk about thisin season 1, two 3 when we do an
overall impression. But those are the things that
I'm, I'm actually quite excited because it can get more darker.
It can. It wears more towards our modern

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timeline of issues. I'm excited.
Yeah. Second thing is that I don't
know whether you've noticed it, but it's different.
Like who leads the season by thename of the first episode?
So for example, season 1, episode 1 is Diamond of the
First Water. So we immediately are realizing
that Daphne is the hero of this story, even if she's the Bridget

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and sibling. Then capital R Rake for Anthony
and then out of the shadows for Penelope.
And it's like Penelope is the hero of the story, not Colin.
And then whatever the episode, like season 4, episode 1 is like
whoever is, if it's the lady in Silver, it's going to be Sophie
leading the story and Benedict, you know, following along.

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So I'm kind of excited to see like, because that's a clue as
to who we need to focus on in terms of the character story as
we go along. I don't know.
This is just an unpopular. That's.
The thing before we go again, doyou want to do the game spoiler?
Sure, I have no problem with that.

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Check your ears. I believe that the true
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caddens and accompanying sounds alone, even if the show is in an
entirely different language. Feel free to join 3 little poor

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souls in guessing from 5:10, 20,or 32nd long clips the specific
scene from your favorite show. Feel free to pause the podcast
once you hear the sound announcing that the clip is

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over. Feel free to let us know whether
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If you have no desire to blindlyguess or if you are a Czech or
Slovakian, cannot participate. Enjoy the struggle of Joe Elle
and the rocks. Do not judge them too harshly,

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as you will hear the audio much better than those poor souls.
Have fun, we will start with something.
Easy, I believe. So go ahead.

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I feel like that has to be a canthony scene just because of
the fighting. There's fighting involved, I
will say, and it's Season 2 I will also say.
Maybe. Do you want to hear more?
Oh, go ahead, Joe. I was thinking when it's the
debut scene when they're waitingoutside Eloise's door.

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Nope. Wait she is aggravating?
Is that what when he says Nope like Elle?
Is it the same when they're likeofficially met like when she was
in the garden and he was like? No, I'm so sorry.
You have to try again. We don't see it, but rocks

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looked so exciting. Is it this scene where like
she's like, oh, this is Myspace,you can't season 2 When they're
arguing, he's like, oh, she's hiding out and he's like, this
is my room. Duh, duh.
He's like, no, this is like they're arguing because they're
hiding out in the at the weddingwhen like you know the.
Guys, I think that you're too focused on the couple.

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There are more characters involved and maybe that will
help you OK from the beginning. Is it the scene where they're

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like they're wondering what happened to Edwina when she ran
out at the failed wedding? But you caught adwiner.
I said that we will start with something easy.
This is going to be very fun. All right, guys, it's pommel.
It's getting a pommel when they're fighting a woman.

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I was I purposely I purpose to try to, you know, fight, find a
scene, whereas more characters involved.
So you will, you know, learn maybe some voices.
This is going to be sounded. The same to me, like I thought
it was one man and one. Yeah, I think that's, that's
part of the issue. When you're, you know, when it's

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different language, I have it constantly when I, you know, try
to listen to something in Spanish.
All right, this will be easy. I promise you.
This will be very easy. Bobby Estegano tovi oh they
Bobby Estegano Tovi oh they Bobby Estegano Tovi John is not

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not through husby. I don't know what that is,
Prudence. Yeah, it's Season 1 and.
Oh my gosh, like sisters and it's.

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It's Philippa. It's Philippa singing the
favorite. Yeah, Prudence was singing.
Oh, it was pretty. I have it as singing so.
That it's it's it's so like MaryBennett, you know, from Pride
and Prejudice, like when she sings horribly and then they

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like pan to Anthony's face and he's just like the look of like
contempt on his face for this like whole family.
He's like, I can't believe I'm gonna be related to these
people. Yeah, I love, I love the dinner
scene. It's just, it's just comedy.
Gold over comedy. All right, one I think numb
thing for one more. Just one more all.

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Right. Mahuvam said stop it.
It sounds like Lady Danbury. Lady Danbury with someone?
It's not Lady Danbury, I'm sorry, but it's female

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character. Go ahead, I'll try.
I was gonna say, I was gonna sayBenedict.
I was like the guys was a Benedict.
I don't know anymore. I know, I know, I know.
OK, Maybe I don't know. And it's like last time where I
thought, you know, OK, this withlike the Humphrey Davies lamp
and Porsche being like, no. Yes, it's it's it's Porsche

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saying no. This was actually bonus.
Yes, Lady Feathering. Also, I'm so sorry, rest in
peace Simona Posterova. She died during the production
for season 3, so I just wanted to throw Porsche in there.

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OK, that's a great game. I think we'll do more for the
the next two episodes, but that was weird, OK.
I want to do that. I just want to play that game
the whole time. Editor's Note We plan to
continue this game in our podcast in the future.
Let us know if you desire to play it live with us on Reddit
one day. All right, so let's move on to

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our new couple. Come 26 and I really botched up
the 2026 Benofi Benedict and Sophie Beck.
We're going to talk about show Cannon and let's, OK, let's keep
it a little short. Can you tell one moment that
you've seen so far that you think will be integral for

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Season 4? I really, I think it's sorry, go
hell tell no. Because like what's been
replaying in my head lately is like the the scene where
Benedict sees Sophie and she's so enchanted with this
chandelier and he just like stares at her very intently.
I was like, I like that scene. I really hope it like is not
like a few seconds. I want it to be I.

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Think I'll correct the game. I definitely think this will
make appears in. Season 4.
No, no, no. I've started from the previous
seasons with Benny. I think.
That the could I say? Yeah, sure.
Go ahead. I I think the Grandville.
I mean, you spoiled my thing. Yeah, I knew.

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Sorry. No.
Actually, I was actually going to say, OK, so I think I'll just
go ahead with it. Sir Granville, that speech, what
happens? I think, yeah, Benedict, I feel
has his head in the clouds, which is something of his
character. I think he's trying to bridge
people in and he trying to, you know, lift everybody up.

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But in the process, his head stays up in the clouds.
And. And I think Jess also talked,
Jess Brownell talked about this,that he's living in a fantasy
world. He needs to come closer to
reality and Sophie is in a reality which is really hard,
and she needs to learn the nuances of finding joy, you

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know, in fantasy I. Think it was such an lovely
moment because he truly, you know, looked very, I don't want
to say heartbroken, but it's actually referencing the title
of the episode, Oceans Apart. When he's speaking about this
queer relationship. He's not able to talk openly.

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And you'll be open openly and honestly, this is going to sound
harsh, but I always felt because, you know, before then
we didn't know that Ben was actually queer.
So I felt it's kind of, you know, this basically, you know,
there's difference between queerlaugh in this time and there's
difference between class differences.

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So I was, it didn't struck me very well, very nicely.
But I think that with the reason, I don't want to say
reintroduction, but the, the decision to to make Benedict
queer in the show, I think that they found a way to, you know,
connected into foundations. Firstly, he is queer and

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secondly, that he will have thisrelationship with someone who's
outside his social norms. And yes, of course, as a man, he
wouldn't face such consequences if he marries below himself in
quotes. But still, there will be some
consequences. Yeah, OK.

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I'll go. Please go.
Sorry. OK so going from that it just
started the thing where Benedictsaid in season 3 to the mantras
like oh the marry it's fine and stuff.
So like him learning the rules of the time, like you can still
break the rules even if you're married and you're within ton
and you know a lot, you can still break the rules and not
know it. And he is going to be breaking a

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lot of social norms and rules ofthe time, which I think would be
very interesting to see how it would be a good.
Like it sets up his journey. Yeah.
Yeah. Spoiler, you didn't mention any
other scene that you thought were important, was important.
Like it would be a call back. We already have, you know,
confirmation that the swing scene will reappear.

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Yeah. But this is more tied to I think
this is more tied to Elle because I'm not certain you know
whether they will end up in swings for her eventual season.
Honestly at this point it's almost hilarious because this is
1 scene which keeps repeating over and over again.
Yeah, rocks, Do you want to cap off this this sequence I.

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Think something I, I, I'm prettysure what we're here.
It's not it's no mystery. It's like the whole hymn leaving
art school, you know, when he found out that Anthony paid his
way in and fairly. I I would bet good money that
that will make a reappearance, you know, and then Sophie will
kind of challenge him maybe around that, you know, how

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easily he gave up on his dream. And I think that that pain that
he has, like, you can tell. And there's a little scene in
season 3 where, you know, yeah, I found that really like
relatable, actually. Like they asked him, you know,
are you an artist or do you do, you know, do you have any
artistic endeavors? And he's like, no, you know, and

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you can kind of see like it's itreally is his insecurity around.
It is like, really why he's given it up totally and buried
it so deep. So I hope that comes back, and I
also hope that there's some resolution between him and
Anthony. I was hoping for this in Season
3, that there would be some resolution between Colin and
Anthony. Yeah, they're sort of conflicts

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from Season 1 and that they would come to like an
understanding of each other. And it didn't they didn't do it
in Season 3, which I found really disappointing.
I hope they do it for Benedict in Season 4 and maybe even we
get like a little snippet with all three, you know, all three
it. Just has a little slip.
I understand where you're comingfrom, but I think there is also
a great setup for Ben's relationship with Lady Whistle

(31:07):
down. I was going to keep this for a
Let's Misbehave segment of the episode, but I think because if
you watch the series, whenever Lady whistle down comes into
picture, Ben is kind of, correctme if I'm wrong, he is a bit
dismissive of her. He's impressed and dismissive
because in episode 3, Eloise is defending Lady whistle down and

(31:29):
he's kind of like, are you lady whistle down?
And he's like, he's kind of like, you know, she's just a
writer who feeds off the tons money.
Yeah. I don't remember the scene.
Because he has a lot of disdain for the ton, right?
He has a lot of disdain for society.
And lady whistle down all about society, Yeah.
Right. But then it also plays a role in
his story because it does. We won't spoil like an offer

(31:52):
from a gentleman here, but I think it's interesting to see
that now that he knows who is Lady Whistle Down because it's
Penelope. So it's nice that Penelope and
Ben might have like a little bitof connection, especially with
Lady Whistle Down and, you know,trying to continue because
again, he gave up his art because he was a Bridgeton and
not because he was actually goodat it.

(32:13):
And then, like, Penelope will have to like, talk him through
it because it's that I, I have this writing because it was a
thing where I, it became a thingto vent myself out.
And there are some things when Ifeel like I'm not in control of
the element. You have control because you are
a man and you cannot keep comingwith the excuse that, you know,

(32:35):
you're a Bridget and whatever. So I think she would pull him up
quite a bit. You know, even besides Sophie I.
Actually hope they give that role to Colin because Colin
faced that same insecurity as a younger Bridgerton brother.
Colin's also a writer who had toovercome security about only
being known as like a Bridgerton.
So I kind of hope that that's like part of, I feel like

(32:57):
hopefully they'll have Colin be kind of like an advisor to Ben
in this season and kind of be like.
Actually, I'll actually like Kate being an advisor to Colin
more than Anthony in season 3. So it's nice to, I think it's
nice to have the in laws come inand have like this one because I
love Kate and Eloise I. I have to agree with Rocks.
I think that Ben and Ben, I definitely think that there is

(33:21):
connection with Whistle down in there and I think this is
actually the only Scene 1 Elle challenge Benedict in any way
because you know, you have these, you know, opportunities.
Yeah. But I think that I would prefer
Colin having this moment, partlybecause, as Joe mentioned, it

(33:42):
was more of Pen centric season beforehand.
And I just think that they have very interesting, you know, vibe
that they're very similar, but they're in very different life
stages. So I wonder how this is going to
play out. And yes, I will admit that I

(34:02):
worry a lot because I think thatif flashbacks will, you know, go
into the story, it will go to Sophie, which is more
understandable. But I also think that the show
kind of missed the point of highlighting Benedict kind of,
you know, this figure between Anthony and others and it was

(34:23):
kind of a missed opportunity. I think that I have very hard
time, you know, with the lead upto Benedict season regarding his
character arc. I think this was kind of a
missed opportunity because we are not going to see that
flashback in any way. I I didn't know no, and I'm not
certain if Anthony will have enough screen time to, you know,
reference that. Yeah, so Colin is an ex natural

(34:45):
it. Works that both Colin and Penn
could have a scene with Benedictbecause Colin and Benedict do
have a scene the fencing scene in in the book.
So I think yeah, they do have anI think it makes more sense.
But I think the writer's brain in me is that because they did
see there is a little more to bedone with whistle down and one
thing that's not resolved with Penn is though like you know on

(35:08):
the geese of protecting a Bridgeton like be it with Colin
or Eloise and she's one and two respectively.
She writes something that exposes them and there are like,
they have to deal with the consequences more like they
embarrassed more. So with Benedict, she has a
chance to make things right now that she's a public figurehead.
And you know, so I think it can be actually both.

(35:29):
It can actually, it's not one orthe other.
I think it can be a little bit with both.
I hope that Penelope notices Sophie in some way and that
there's some kind of casino. Yeah, this is what I want.
In the books that we Sophie loves whistle down and like I
hope that there is some chance for her to like help Sophie out
or help the Bridgertons out withrespect to this.

(35:50):
She also this is like an interesting parallel in their
stories. It's much kind of less serious
sort of in season 4, but the fact that like both of these
women had like hidden identities.
They were hiding from their lemon trust.
Both of the men, you know, kind of found out the person that
they're the woman they loved is like lying to them on some

(36:10):
level. I think it was a lot worse with
Penelope. Penelope's lie was a lot worse,
but I I just think there's an interesting parallel there that
maybe could come up in a conversation with Colin and
Benedict, but could also maybe come up in a conversation with
Penelope and Sophie if they are.I, I want, I don't want to take
too much time on it, but it, it's also there is a thing that
Ben will spend some time with Posey because Isabel, Isabel,

(36:35):
why? Please tell me if I'm putting
the last name right, who plays Posey?
She has said that she has a lot of scenes with Nicola.
Oh, that's cool. I want to say that regarding Pen
and Sophie possible dynamic, it makes sense because we are
wondering who what's going to whistle down do.

(36:57):
And I think we already mentionedthat Lady in silver, you know,
is another mystery that the queen is interested in.
And of course, now she supposedly has whistle down and
of course, whistle down is this great detective.
How can you not know who Lady inSilver is?
So this natural, you know, conclusion and also the fact
that, Yeah. And the fact that rocks already

(37:20):
mentioned that in the book. There's, I think that another,
you know, aspect of Whistle Downthat Sophie, you know, likely
viewed Whistle Down as this, youknow, window to the world she is
not part of. Yeah.
And also and also for eagle eyedfans who have read everything
there is Pen and Sophie do sharea scene at the masquerade and

(37:41):
when they meet in Bridgeton house, because we don't know who
is Whistle down just yet. She does recognize Sophie.
She's knows that she's familiar,but she just can't place it.
So I think that'll be a fun thing to see is like, how does
that get adapted in the show? In the book I don't spoil her
again like. In the book, I don't think.

(38:02):
Lady Whistle Down ever saw who Lady in Silver was or like?
I don't think she did, yeah. She never.
Did that, yes. Look, I, I.
It'll be, it'll be. It'll be fun if they change it
up. Oh, but that's kind of hard
then, because why wouldn't Penn just tell Ben?
Right. This is hard to wear this.
Shirt after Ben and Sophie marries or get together, Penn

(38:26):
would know but she won't announce it out.
Like lady we still don't know but won't be announced.
How Eloise knew Penn was whistledown and that that that was like
a little tug of war in. But, you know, there, there was
emotional stakes. There are no emotional stakes
and no reason for Penn to lie about this.
And especially because it's confirmed that there will be

(38:47):
some sort of time jump. So, you know, you have Benedict,
you know, just hurting there. And Penn, just like I know who
Laida in silver is, but I'm not going to say it because
Chandeline wants his drum. Yeah.
She's a mother, she's busy. Maybe, you know, she could learn
it over the season. Perhaps.
Not right away. Other than the eventually, Yeah,

(39:10):
well. If you promise not to lie
anymore, you know, So it's like,that would be really bad
backtracking. She would tell Karen and be
like, don't mention it to Benedict, let him paint, you
know? Paint tears to his Yeah, I
think. What is important is that there
is in each season there is a feeling of projecting like
Daphne projects her own thing, like story on to Anthony and

(39:31):
what are you doing? Anthony and and Kate project
their own mistakes from season 2with Colin and Eloise.
You know, Colin, tell her, tell her how you feel.
Or Kate is like there's no better thing than the truth.
So it'll be interesting to see like how Colin and Penn project
their own issues onto Sophie or Benn.

(39:52):
Like we, we, it's up in the air.OK, I was hoping that Benedict
would just, you know, throw it to his brothers.
I was already mentioning, you know, back in Reddit.
That, you know, I want to see when Colin and Anthony are just,
you know, why are you, you know this interested in this girl you
met once and that Benedict wouldjust throw it back like you

(40:14):
almost married, you know, the sister of your intended and you
were in love with your friend and you didn't know I.
Aren't so smart. Either yeah, yeah, and and of
course he's just smirking in thebackground.
I mean, no, I don't think so. I don't think Eloise.

(40:34):
I would love it I do something like that.
Like, are you kidding? Me, I wouldn't.
I see I'm projecting onto Eloiseneedle drops and drops.
Can you say 2 songs of any renditions of any modern song
that you would like for Ben? All right, I'm sorry.
No enchanted for me. I want golden hour for the dance

(40:56):
between Ben and Sophie. Or, you know, some romantic
moment when she's lady in silver.
Maybe you know, you can also have a different place.
You know, it sounds majestic. It sounds you know this, you
know ethereal almost also references the paintings is.
That the one it's with the piano.
Don't don't don't ask me to, youknow, recollect the tune or you

(41:19):
know, sing to because you want you want to recognize it either.
OK, what's the second song? Oh yeah, time is time is running
up. I was wondering that Sophie will
leave the ball early and this will be no dramatic.
So either that or Poker Face, you know, this very dramatic
just string version going in. OK, I have one song I really

(41:41):
want. It's a really, really old K pop
song from like the early 2000s, late 90s, which a lot of a lot
of people unless you're like oldschool K pop or Korean would
know. It's called like Bogo Shipta.
I'm not Korean, so sorry I'm betraying it, but it means it
literally means it means I miss you, but it literally means I
want to see you as well. So like, I'm not sure what

(42:04):
Senior played, but it would playvery nicely for that dynamic
because I could see that. Like they want to see each
other, but they probably can't. Or like Ben doesn't even know
who she is in the beginning. Like that kind of was like, oh,
she wants to see her kind of thing.
That's how I could see it. Or like he he misses her, but he
doesn't know her as well. Yeah.
Anything else? Any other second song?
I mean, I went to Enchanted, butI don't know if it's because I

(42:26):
got persuaded by people. I like read the I got persuaded
by that. So I'm just going to hold off on
it for now. I don't know the second I think.
There's supposed to be 1 Taylor Swift song, they confirmed.
It. I think blank space would make
more sense, especially with bending.
I'm not certain about blank space, but I was wondering.

(42:47):
I'm not certain if I was wondering.
Clover maybe? That would make more sense for
Pollen than Ben Offi, no offense.
Well, pollen is already done like there's basically.
No, no, there's songs I feel like even though they didn't use
them for Pollen, I feel like they're Pollen songs to me and
I'm gonna be like upset if they use them for their song that

(43:10):
they use for the dance, you know, like for the, you know,
the dance that. Yeah, yeah, I'm not.
I'm not going over it because itwas just heartbreak.
It was heartbreaking that. They didn't use it, Yeah, I
mean. So story wise, OK, so I'll just
go quickly check. Yes, Juliet, the song, I don't
know whether you've heard it, but it's it.
I was just listening to it. It just came because I was

(43:32):
listening to VSQ and it was likesomething that when I saw the
BTS clip of Benofi running away from the ball to the like
wherever they go to the zebra, like I could just imagine the
song I've attached. Like if you want to go wherever
you stream your music like on YouTube or Spotify, listen to
check Yes, Juliet by BSQ, it's an excellent rendition.

(43:53):
And the second one is Revolving Door by Tate McRae because it I
know it's based on a toxic X, but it's kind of like the
toxicity of where you are. And you can't like because
again, Benofi and Benofi, both Benedict and Sophie are like
stuck in their roles of who theyare and like where they are in

(44:14):
terms of society. But it's I like this.
I like this thing. What's the line up?
But I can coming back like revolving the second one to you
less, but I just want you more. But it's kind of.
Welcome to our singing podcast. But it's such a push and pull,

(44:34):
right, Because like, the fact isthat they do want each other,
but they're just, you know, so stuck with where they are, but
they just keep coming back like in a cycle.
Because again, it also speak to both books, Sophie where she
can't help herself and she, you know, takes a thing of intimacy
with Ben even when she's like saying I don't want to have
like, I don't want to be a mistress.

(44:56):
So I thought like that vibe was captured in the song so.
Yeah, I just wanted to say that we know that I think that the
showrunner confirmed that there will be 1 Taylor Swift song and
that there will be 80's rock maybe.
So I was just wondering whether you have some Rock, You know,
suggestions. I'm.
Because I was going through the Is it going?

(45:16):
To be like new wave, but I feel like they would have said new
wave if it was going to be new wave.
And I'm kind of mad if it's not new wave because new wave would
make so much more sense for Bennett.
Like he's such he might be such a new wave guy.
I think it's 80s I think I heardbut I'm not certain.
Rock, like 80's rock has a lot. Like, there's Jon Bon Jovi, and

(45:36):
then there's like. I was.
Wondering about Bon Jovi? Like very different tune.
So I hope to know more the detect mode direction or like
new order, which I love. OK, so my song, I love the song
and I think it fits for them is do you guys know Paul the
British? Like it's like new new wave

(45:58):
band. OK, they're so good.
Literally go home and listen to Paul.
But their most famous song is probably like common people.
They have a song from the same album as common people.
I think it's called like different class.
Is the album called Something Changed?
And it's kind of like a love at first sight song or like a song
that's like, like the lyrics arelike, you know, when we woke up

(46:21):
that morning, we had no, no way of knowing that in a matter of
hours, we changed the way we were going.
And it's, it's such a good size,beautiful song.
So I really hope they use that because it kind of would fit the
again, I and I've had Canon Benedict as like a new wave kid.
I I think it's because new wave is also like queer rock music,

(46:41):
right? Like it's like very queer coded.
Yeah. And it's it's like artier rock.
He's he's not a classic rock guy.
Like, no way. That does not fit his
personality. If I may, I will just say that
there is very big difference between, you know, when you hear
the song and when you hear it, you know, in a string version.
And I think many times people just choose, you know, songs

(47:04):
that they like. Yeah, but don't necessarily find
how it sounds, you know, in classic rendition and then it
kind of, you know, falls flat. It also has to.
Be recognized enough, right? Yeah, but not too much because,
you know, if I don't know this love just started playing in the
background, I think that it would be too recognizable tune

(47:26):
and it would throw people away. So, you know, there's the
dilated balance. I will just also say that I
think the it's supposed to be more folksy than previous
seasons, the soundtracks. So I wonder whether, you know,
they will also maybe go more forfolk vibe.
I'm not certain. Yeah.

(47:47):
OK, I guess. OK, wait, I thought of one more,
which is just like heaven the Cure, which would be really good
string. I think that would be a really
good song for them. OK, just.
Going yeah. Hire us, please, OK.
So OK, let's, I think, do you want to just jump into the let's
Let's Misbehave segment with ourfans who were kind enough to add

(48:10):
in any questions on the post? Many, Many thanks to the Benfies
who contributed on this post. Kudos for you guys and excellent
thoughts. I was reading them.
Do you want to start? OK, let's go with Maddow 93.
I really want to see the My Cottage scenes because they are
central for the couple. It's where they really meet.

(48:30):
They can be. More or less Sophie and Benfig.
I also think the kite scene willbe here and I'm very curious.
As for my fears, I guess I'm afraid they'll treat Benedict's
out the way they treated Colin'swriting.
It's really important for the character and it's linked to his
status. I'm just going to go.
I can't say much about Sophie because I still don't know how

(48:51):
the series adapted her. I've liked everything that has
been said about her. The book has a lot of material
and it's much easier to represent in a comprehensive way
than Benedict's, which is something more internal and
comes from his male Bridgen privilege.
Well, I definitely agree with mycottage points, but I don't know

(49:12):
if I can, you know, say too manyfilming leaks or you know, too
much information from production.
Because from what I gathered, it's more most likely my cottage
will take only one episode and then it will be like it will
likely be episode 3 and everything for surrounding, you
know, this place will be there. So I wonder whether kite scene

(49:33):
will truly, you know, be my cottage one.
I also wonder whether the offer scene will even take place at my
cottage. And I know this is kind of
controversial. Maybe episode 3 is too early for
that. I mention it because you know.
Episode in episode 4 I feel likesomething big always happens in
episode 4 at the end of episode 4, right?

(49:53):
Like every season so. I mean, I think we if we have
some time with Philouise, especially when we're discussing
them, we can talk about the episodes and just have a little
bit. But yeah, I think either 3 or 4
I think is where my cottage could happen.
Roxy was saying that you had a comment that someone DMD.
Yeah, actually this one was justmade on the pollen side in in

(50:15):
response. I thought it was good.
Sorry somebody also DMD me a comment but it was it was about
Phil Louise, not that I'll be OK.
What I'm looking forward for Banelfi is seeing how they'll do
with the class difference. Especially since they changed
Banelfi to not really caring what others think in the show.
I think that's really interesting.
Like that makes their setup so different than in the book.
One thing I hope happens is thatthey don't go all the way

(50:38):
sexually I guess until the very end.
It always bugged me that they fucked so soon in the book
because it made it seem like Sophie gave up her principles.
The story would be a lot stronger if they end with their
first time happening right afterthe bath scene after they get
engaged. As for what I'm worried about, I
hope you don't ignore or minimize the fact that they made
Benedict queer. I wanted to see what I thought.
That was really interesting comment, so I wanted to see what
you guys think. I think that it makes a lot of

(51:01):
sense, but I also wonder, you know, because we know that
season 2 was problems from fans due to the fact that, you know,
they didn't really bend to sex until episode 7, I believe.
So I wonder how will they approach this?
I think that they will definitely put it, you know,

(51:22):
later, but I'm not certain whether so late.
Also, I wanted to tie it back tothe previous question because I
think that regarding Benedict's art, I already mentioned it to
the user that I think that his art will be, you know, point of
reference. Even an episode 2 after Sophie,
you know, leaves and he starts to, you know, lose his mind.

(51:46):
She will be the muse. Yeah.
So I think that this will be kind of trying to, you know, get
back, you know, this character arc journey for him.
Regarding the queer stuff, I wonder how will they approach
Benedict losing his mind in episode 2?
Because I think that, you know, we can see him having flings in

(52:09):
episode 1, but I'm not certain if him losing his mind will be
similar to calling losing his back in Season 3, especially
given the response. There was just this one thing is
that. But look, I don't understand.
I don't want to offend anybody when I say this.
I don't really understand how tolike not be so offensive about

(52:30):
the queerness because you kind of have Benedict saying is he
bisexual? Is he this?
And you know, the showrunner didclarify that he was pansexual.
I don't understand what that means.
So and then you have. This means that you're attracted
to every gender. OK, so no, I think it was just a
little bit like, I don't know whether this is the right term,

(52:51):
but queer baiting of sorts because, you know, there was a
potential of him because he kissed.
Was this guy Paul? In Season 3.
And now he's going to be with a female love and dress that I
think people I don't know I'm I'm not like throwing hope.
I'm not putting some missing forme.
I don't have issue with that. I think the main issue people

(53:12):
had is that the male love interest wasn't very developed,
yeah, and felt like an afterfathand that, you know, threesome,
bisexual threesome, that it kindof, you know, screams this
stereotype of yeah, yeah, bisexuals having threesomes and
be very, you know, sexual adventures.
And I think this was the main issue people had proceeding

(53:34):
free. Personally, I think that the one
of the reason, you know, they went this way is because they
didn't want to have a backlash of Benedict finding a guy and
having, you know, this relationship with him and for it
to fail and have him end up in straight relationship in
brackets the later season. Sorry, go ahead, tell.

(53:57):
I'm just going to say like that,OK, me coming out right now,
like I'm bisexual, but like all my relationships happen with
like when I see is like like there's a misconception that
like, oh, whoever he ends up with, he's like you're career
baiting or whatever. It might not be the case, but
like he whoever he ends up with,he is still pansexual.

(54:19):
He's still, that is still his identity.
And like, however we as Alias put it towards it, like, yeah,
the story is because he is with like a woman, like a female.
I don't, we don't know her sexuality yet.
But like, you know, it's sort oflike if you see that on the
surface level, oh, they're straight.
But like, you don't know, like maybe her character isn't
straight, which would be anotherdynamic, but his character is

(54:43):
not. They made it not straight.
Now, I don't know if it's clear baiting or not.
The threesome scene felt like it.
But like at the same time, I waslike, no, like he can have with
who he wants. Like he's attracted to anybody.
Like, if he ends up with a man, it could also be seen as clear
baiting because, like, oh, you're pandering because you
want that. And like, that's also a fear I
have for like, Frank Kayla. Yeah, Looking back, I think

(55:06):
that, you know, if, if they could turn back time, they would
likely, you know, have him have proper male interest, you know,
in terms of others, maybe in season 2.
Yeah. Because there would probably
still be backlash from some who would not, you know, be able to
accept that. Yeah, pansexual Benedict will

(55:26):
end up with Sophie, but it wouldprobably not read as harsh as
now. And I think this was one of the
reasons because they knew that if they're going to throw their
mail of interest, only it will, you know, have this.
So they created this, this situation, which I'm not certain

(55:47):
was their perfect call. But you know, I don't want to,
you know, preach to anyone how they should feel about this.
This was just my opinion and what I read some online.
I don't want to, you know, be here to say you should feel like
this, about this and that everyone.
'S going to feel different and as not being a queer person,
like take anything I say with a grain of salt, right?

(56:08):
But I do think that it would have felt more, it would have
made more sense to me for Benedict to I would have liked
it better if he had had the queer relationship with like
somebody like Sir Granville, whohe had an actual connection.
And that would have been, maybe that would have been too good.
And then people wouldn't have wanted.
Yeah, yeah, I know. I it felt I did.

(56:29):
Feel like an afterthought. It felt like not it felt like
tucking a box rather than reallyputting like heart into that
story. And I first, because it came
really late in his arc, you know, season 3.
All over the place, yeah. Yeah.
And because I just didn't think it was like very well written.
So I wish they had done it differently.

(56:49):
But like, we are where we are, you know?
Yeah, I think actually let's also give a little bit of grace
to like to Jess because I think that was her first time with
show running. And I think she was kind of like
she was trying to get everythingpossible because it is fallen
season and I think she kind of things, you know, we're setting
Ben up, we need to get him some and Luke Thompson said give him

(57:13):
some width. So I think it couldn't have been
executed better. But I think she she she did the
best that she could as a first time showed on her so.
Yeah, but I think, I think that people.
Were too harsh with chess Brownwell is it is it the right
surname? Yeah, yeah.
OK. I will just say chess.
I think that, you know, it's very easy for us to preach, but

(57:36):
when people were actually, you know, asked, say one good thing
about her thing, one thing that stuck me with one fan
commenting, she makes both choices.
And I, you know, applaud that. Yeah.
Like she was the one who said, yeah, let's make Benedict queer
because of course this doesn't mean he can't end up with
Sophie. And she there's and yes, she

(58:00):
made the gender band, which is controversial, but some people,
you know, prefer this due to some connotations.
And so I wouldn't, I think that she got too much of A, yeah, too
much of A as a writer. She has produced a lot of Canon
works. She has introduced Fill Away is
in episode 4 Harmony which are not Harmony.

(58:23):
What was the Episode 4 victory? Victory and the by Count who
loved me. So she set up a lot of so she
really put something that was sohuman like Peneloise's, Roxy was
saying. I think that one thing that
gives me confidence in Season 4 is I actually think she did a
great job with the character arcs of the leads in season 3.

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Like she wrote more complex, multifaceted, nuanced character
arcs for them and their arcs really like echoed each other in
a way that made the end of season 3, even though I had
issues with some of how the second-half of season 3 was
done. However, I thought like in the
end, it felt really cohesive andreally like satisfying to me.
Like the journey that these two characters took on to

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individually and together. Oh, Kans.
I think that she I think that that makes that gives me
confidence that she's going to be able to do this panofi story
in a way that is equally layeredand interesting and like
satisfying. It won't be perfect.
I I thought season 3 did have like really to me, the balance

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between main plot and subplot was a little bit off.
Some of the pacing was a little bit off.
Definitely she has her flaws, but I they're the kind of like
core aspect of how she wrote thelove story.
I actually liked aspects of it better than what had happened in
the previous two seasons. And I think that's down to her
writing and her really like going deep into character.

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Yeah. I just I just want to add like
she adapted like from the book quite faithfully.
Like took a lot of like, we might have changed whatever in
the season, but like. There's lots of scenes that
people love that were in it. I think we need to give that to
her because yeah, that it's I from what I've heard, Season 4
is going to be more faithful to the book than the other seasons.

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I think that they're saying it over about every season.
Like I think that season 3 also,you know, they were like there
were a lot of book moments. And personally, you know, I
don't think they should stick with book cannon, you know,
because first of all, it's a show.
And secondly, I have issues withthe books personally.
But I want to say that regardingthe book moments of season 3, it

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felt like we took, you know, these tidbits and throw them
around the narrative and we callit, you know, it's honoring the
book because there are those scenes, there are those quotes,
but of course some fans will complain, but this is completely
different, etcetera. So I think that you're able to
say it's it's mostly book accurate because maybe there

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will be more book quotes, but that doesn't mean in this
narrative wouldn't be fundamentally different.
Yeah. And I think that people, you
know, should. Yeah.
Yeah. OK, I.
Think we have. I think we'll just be able to do
one more question before we wrapup.
So kudos to Damsey. I hope I've got your name right.
I have a lot of things I'm looking forward to, but I hope
the Bach moment at the end gets the pollen mirror scene

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treatment. Beyond that, I need Violet to
have good moments with Binofi individually and all together.
She's absolutely, excuse me, absolutely the third most
important character in the book,and I can't help but be scared
that she gets sidelined like Lady Danbury with pollen.
I'm just going to take that section of the the thought if
that's fine. I actually think I honestly
don't mind that if Violet doesn't get a lot of screen time

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because they've not established her having a connection with
Benedict a lot. I think she always turns to him
when, you know, she needs to sort something with Anthony.
She's like, can you check on him, please, for me?
Yeah. Thank you very much.
And I think. He's her most neglected child.
Like she doesn't she's. Like, yeah, but she's always

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going to turn to him. Fix.
Anthony, Thank you. But I think that Violet and
Sophie, you know, this is very, you know, popular dynamic and I
know that people will riot if it's not in the show in any way.
I'm not certain whether they will do the book a carried
version of, you know, ending thestory, why Violet is important.

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But I think that Violet and Sophie should, you know, find
this connection because, you know, Penn through all her
issues, has a mother. Kate has her an adoptive mother.
Yes, she had, you know, issues with her.
But Sophie truly, you know, didn't have that parental figure
in any way. So I think that for her to find

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this mother figure and Violet, that would be very nicely
wrapped up and kind of, you know, the Cinderella finding not
only her Prince, but her mother as well, but.
I think also one more thing, it's it's also what Jess has
talked about. It's that it's not that her
story isn't always tied with thething.
I actually liked her story with Marcus when she was hurting the

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marriage mark like around. So I like that.
And there will be some changes with her friendship like with
Lady Danbury. So I'm I'm more excited for
those facets. And I think when there's points
when either Sophie is having a panic attack or when she's
expressing, Violet expresses a frustration with Eloise because
Sophie will be Eloise's lady's maid when she comes to work with

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them. So and then Sophie will be quite
observant and give Violet some advice for Eloise, you know, and
that's how they form a connection in some way.
And Violet kind of extends the favour with her.
Like they have this kind of thing where, you know, you're so
observant. Like I said, you know, it comes
with life experience and rocks. What were you saying?

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Do you think they're going to have Sophie actually work for
the Bridgertons like in the book, or do you think that'll be
icky? They will, but Violet is likely
moving out. It's basically confirmed due to
some leaks like there was, I think.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we know that she she had, you

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know, Bridgerton attire, you know, serving the attire.
So we know she will end up working for them, but likely at
the time Benedict will be just moved out.
So yeah, this basically is. But they're still in the house
in episode 6 because it's. Actually harassing an employee
that. Yeah, entertainment, but.

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That's that's a very good point,Joe.
So I wonder whether how they will if they will have two
places or not. I just wanted to say regarding.
Sorry, just one second. Yeah, explain the point.
So entertainment. Yeah, sorry.
The metadata for the image whereHeysen and Eloise were with the
Lee sisters. Posey announcement that was the

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Bridgeton drawing room so for atsome.
Yeah, it was in episode 6, Yeah.So for some reason they're still
in the house, so maybe they'll move, maybe episode 7 or
something. So hopefully.
I don't think, I think that's too, you know, but I wonder
whether they will have two places and that sometimes, you
know, they're just there for reasons what I wanted to say.

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Violet and Porsche end up in a little like Dowager House, Dower
House or whatever. Like.
Yeah, I can't watch it, Larry. No, I can't watch that.
Well, I know this is going to bevery funny.
Yeah, I think guys, we need to wrap up.
I'm really sorry. I just wanted to say, you know,

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regarding all the comments, there were two, you know, common
mostly regarding the lake scene.How do you feel about that?
How do you think they will approach Lake in the show?
That's that scene when you know Benedict is trying teasing
Sophie. So how you how are you feeling
about it? Because this was one of the most

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common questions. I mean, I honestly, I'm excited
to see what they do because theyare really excited.
But like everybody was excited about the lake scene, especially
when they were talking about it at the Season of Love event.
But I have to say, I think it just comes in a moment of
vulnerability. I think Sophie kind of, you
know, maybe her like, you know, when she now that she's giving

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space to breathe, she finally comes to terms with the fact
that it's still hurtful that Araminta kicked out.
Even when I, you know, find the space that at least she's free
of her. It still hurts.
Nevertheless, it's kind of like you remember ever after, right
when the stepmother who's and Angelica Houston's character has
Drew Barrymore's soul to anotherperson.

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She's still hurt by that, you know, that rejection.
And she even tells her before that scene, you know, all I
wanted is a mother. All I wanted was just a bit of
affection. And she kind of says, how do you
love something stuck on the bottom of your shoe, which is
just incredibly hurtful. You know.
So I think in that moment of pain, she doesn't know where

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she's going and she just catchesBenedict and then that's that
moment of levity where they're wondering like, couldn't you not
have given me thing to turn around?
I said I I'm waiting for you to turn around.
I think somebody else commented on that.
But yeah, I think it's a moment where they're both very
vulnerable. It's in the physical and the
like emotional sense, so. I think that, you know, every
time they will they adapt some show some book content.

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It's better done in the show, like especially in these terms.
So I don't think Benedict will be, you know, coming off as book
Benedict in those moments. So I don't worry too much about
this. I know that, you know, book
Benedict is kind of controversial in some ways.
I don't, I don't fear. I think that this will be

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handled. I thought it was human when he
finds out, like when he realizesthat Sophie is the lady in
silver because of the blindfold in the book.
Yeah. What is anger like?
It does, it does happen for likea quieter, sensitive free load.
Like when they get angry, they are very angry, you know.
So that was I think, I think people say it's toxic, but I

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actually I could see it like even with the show, like show
Benedict being so angry, you know, all of a sudden.
That's another question, if we think this will be how Lady in
Silver, you know, is revealed. Sophie is unmasked.
So do you think they will stick to the book count or no?
Sorry, go ahead. No, I was just agreeing.

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Like for me, it's like I'm trying not just learning from
previous seasons, just not to have too much expectation.
Like because then this, I'm justsaying as a fan, like we
especially if we read the book, you're going to have
expectation. This is how I wanted to play
out. And maybe like something
changed. Like, oh, the timing changed.
Like instead of day is night or night and day.

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Like even that slight change gets a lot of people
disappointed. So I think it's better to just
like not have the expectations. Like, OK, a similar scene with
the same beats would be in the show where it is.
Don't have too much like, you know, it'll fit in the story.
Trust that. And like, I feel like that's why
a lot of people got this, like we're disappointed, especially

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in season 3. It's just that all that build
up. It's like, you know what, I just
trust them. They say is good, just watch it
as is and just like the whole process will play out very good.
I think it did. I think it's a.
Benefit me that I didn't go in to see I had not read the books
at all before I saw season 3 andI had only seen each entire

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season once and I had not seen any promo and I didn't even know
the show was coming out. So I I felt like the trailer and
then I was like, oh, I love Colin and Penelope.
I'm like excited to see their season and then I rewatched
seasons one and two to like refresh myself about their like
story. I had like a week.
So I like binged seasons one andtwo before 3 came out.

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I'm just like somebody who can't.
I'm a completist like that. Like I need to be up to date and
then I watched it but I literally had 0 expectations
going in. Of what?
I had two expectations. I was like, obviously they're
going to have to make Colin chase her a bit, right?
Because of like the setup. It's a sheep bell first story so
he's going to have to fall hard and they did that.

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And then I was like, secondly, the whistle down ish is going to
hit the fan in a big way and it's going to be really bad and
they did that. So yeah, then people are like,
it's going to be fine. I was like I search if.
You like the show? Yeah, I think so.
I agree. I think coming in cold is kind

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of like the best way to come into the show because the show
is a different thing, you know, like.
So yeah, I. Think one thing is that if they
are having this thing where likeRosman tries to tether herself
to Ben because it has been teased in her character
description that she does put her eye on Ben.
I think Ben and will not just beangry at Sophie for being, you

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know, the lady in silver that you've and also at Rosman at the
betrayal, because maybe she pretends to be the lady in
silver, but that's actually virtually impossible because
everybody knows what she's wearing to impress the.
I think that it would be very natural for Araminta to try play
Lady in Silver as one of her other daughters, and it would

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very nicely tie. And my my hopes and expectations
are just like this. Let Benedict find out that
Sophie is Lady in Silver. I don't really care how much,
how, what way, but do not let just someone tell him.
I think that I want him to find on his own.
I don't. I'm not certain if I want the

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book Canon because it's kind of stretched.
I think, yeah, it's a bit silly.I think that, you know, there
could be some cute, you know, moment with it, but I'm not
certain. Maybe I want him to find on his
own. And I would really like Araminta
to throw some Lady in Silver 2.0that she, you know, tries to get

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Benedict, you know, to end up with Lady in Silver.
And it would die with Queen nicely if she, you know, had
dismissed her and was obsessed with Lady in Silver and perhaps
with her dance with Benedict or something.
And then you have Benedict and Sophie now having a moment and
then Queen is like, oh, lady in silver, let's let's match them,
you know, let's match Burgess and and Lady in silver when of

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course it's not, will not be like in silver.
A really good application on theCinderella trope because
obviously in Cinderella, the they try to pass off the wicked
step sister, which like they didn't really do that in the
book, but like from what I recall in Benedict book, but
like it that yeah, it's a reallygood like really good.
Oh my. To Or like allusion to.

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I had some wild ideas and one ofthem was that Benedict will
declare he's not marrying anyonebut later in Silver and this
could, you know, tie nicely withhim then, you know, being
reluctant to accept Sophie. I think he does.
Then I had just one thing, a thought of love triangle between
Lady in Silver, Sophie and. Like to marry no one but this

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lady in silver, I think as a ploy to get her out.
Because like, you know, like I will do anything if I marry this
person. It's kind of like the Prince
Charming thing with Cinderella. I will marry the person who has
this shoe. So I was wondering and of
course, then I was wondering whether Sophie this this would
be very far stretched, but whether Sophie won't be fought

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dead somehow after the ball. So, you know, Araminta, you
know, is chasing her off. And then there is this added
conflict. Sophie doesn't want to reveal
that she is laid in silver because Araminta is coming for
her or something like that. But it was, you know, very, you
know, dark for Benedict to believe that he met this girl

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and he fell for her and then she's dead.
Yeah. So that's just what I want to
say. Those are those are wild
guesses, you know, before season3 even dropped.
So I just wanted to, you know, playoff.
So. So I got.
You in that in that writing room, you know how to bring the
drop. Let's put a petish.
I want. Sorry, I actually wanted to be

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in the Phil Louise is writing room.
OK. I think that's that's a great
cap off on Benofi. As you can see, we're we're all
quite excited for this store season and I think I definitely
think there will be no excuse for us to go keep talking about
this couple because we had a lotmore plan.
So let's hopefully with more Intel, we'll definitely get into

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it you. Will revisit Yeah yeah goes.
By Yeah. As we learn.
Definitely. Is everyone who is tuned in and
a special thank you to Benofi subreddit.
We're very happy for you for your season coming up.
Thank you so much for trying to be a part of our.
Enjoy the wild to right. It's it's best now, yeah.
Yeah. So just to like sign off, I'm

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Joe. I'm Al, I'm spoiler.
And I'm Rox. And we'll see you all next
Wednesday. Our next couple is Philouise.
So for all the Philouise. Goodbye guys, don't lose your
shoes or gloves. Bye.