August 21, 2025 • 37 mins
The unexpected phenomenon of "hobosexuals" takes center stage in this eye-opening episode that will have you reconsidering your dating boundaries. We unpack the surprising definition of hobosexuals and you'll be surprised how long this term has been around!
Shocking statistics reveal the prevalence of financially motivated dating. The classic warning signs emerge through hilarious personal stories: rapid relationship acceleration, mysterious housing insecurity, and exceptional bedroom skills used as manipulation tools.
Our hosts share their close encounters with potential hobosexuals, from the "savant of oral sex" living in a garage with bunk beds to "Pighair," a homeless man who attempted to convert a simple act of kindness (and 13-bean soup) into a permanent living situation. These cautionary tales highlight how these relationship opportunists target empathetic people, particularly caregivers already conditioned to nurture others.
What distinguishes hobosexuals from sugar relationships is the element of deception rather than explicit understanding. As we navigate modern dating's complexities, perhaps our most valuable takeaway is this: whether you're living alone or with roommates, be wary of anyone who seems more interested in your address than in you. Have you encountered a hobosexual? Share your stories with us on social media or email (info@thewomenareplotting.com)
Email us at info@thewomenareplotting.com, and find us on all the socials. Be safe and be excellent to each other.
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Etienne (00:02):
Welcome listeners.
This is Women Are Plotting.
I'm Etienne Rose Olivier, andI'm here with my friends and
co-hosts Heidi Willis and JaneGari.
Today our episode ishobosexuals, so Heidi is going
to start us off with her funfact telling us what are
hobosexuals.
Heidi (00:23):
So a hobosexual, according to the urban
dictionary, is someone whoenters or fakes a relationship
to avoid homelessness.
So they say man trevor is sucha hobosexual, what's he gonna do
when he runs out of girls thatwill let him live with them?
So that's what they're using itin a sentence.
Etienne (00:48):
It's immediately labeled hobosexual.
Well, my fun fact hopefullynobody else you don't have this
one, jane is that the ConnieBritton series Dirty John is
based on a very famoushobosexual named John Meehan and
he pretended to be ananesthesiologist and, yeah, he
went out of his way and she wasa very well off interior
(01:12):
designer, in Southern California, I believe and yeah, they got
married and he ended up gettingkilled.
He ended up getting murdered inreal life, murdered by one of
her daughters because he hadapproached her on the top of
some parking garage and shefatally injured him and he died
the next day.
So, yeah, I actually watchedthat series.
That was good, but it was solong ago I don't remember the
(01:34):
specifics, but it was Eric Banaplayed.
JohnMeehan, I'm like dude, I
might've fallen for that too.
You can pretend to be ananesthesiologist.
if it's going to look like EricBana, I'm fine with that.
Jane (01:49):
I wonder if homosexuals just have to be good looking.
Heidi (01:53):
Yeah, they use their looks and their sexual prowess
to lure women.
Etienne (01:58):
They just have to be attractive to whoever the woman
is, and I think they usually doit through the sex, like how
well they are, how good they'rein bed, and God knows, we need
more men who are good in bed, soyou know, if they're homeless,
maybe that's the, that's thetrade off, I don't know.
But I think also the definitionof hobosexual is the
manipulation so they're doing.
(02:18):
They're using their skills toget into the women's lives.
Jane (02:32):
And you know and I, I was surprised to learn just how long
this term has been around, um,because I had not heard it until
the two of you educated me onit um, I didn't know that it
goes even back to like the 70s.
I thought that that was crazy.
I had never heard it before.
I know what it is, I've seen it, I've experienced it kind of.
But so the fun fact I waslooking into are there any stats
on this?
Etienne (02:51):
Oh shit, are there stats?
Jane (02:53):
Not one to one, but there was a study in the UK a couple
years ago that showed like onein five people in long-term
relationships have engaged in afinancially motivated dating
behavior like that trying to getto housing security or
financial security.
There's kind of somemanipulation there, of like,
okay, maybe he'll let me livewith him, you know, and then I
(03:13):
won't have to pay as much rent.
We're immediately thinking likea dude, right, because that's
our experience.
And then in 2019, in the UnitedStates, there was a Statista
study that showed that 10% ofonline dating app users had
engaged in similar behavior,specifically to get a more
stable living situation and Iwas wondering if it could be
broken down by state and if youcould make some kind of
(03:35):
correlation between like well,in California the housing is
really expensive.
More people are trying to getoff the couch surfing circuit
and make their way into a steadyrelationship and they're just
going to date their way intobetter housing and I just
thought what a sad commentary onthings.
But I can see this happeningeasily.
It has to be like over someoneexperiencing homelessness coming
(03:58):
up to me and being like hey,you want to go out, baby.
That's how I was thinking aboutit.
But it's not always like that.
Sometimes it's just someonetrying to get that better
apartment, but they don't careabout you
Etienne (04:10):
when I was reading over and over, when I was looking up
, trying to find a fun fact fortoday, is that a lot of people
who are talking about like notscientifically talking about
hobosexuals, but like peoplewho've written blog posts or
whatever about hobosexuals, andall of them started out saying
you meet him on sunday, you haveamazing sex, he really really
likes you, and by friday he'sliving with you and he's driving
(04:31):
your car and he usually doesn'thave steady work either, so
it's like he literally hasnothing and he just takes you
for everything that he can
Heidi (04:41):
yep, he's eating your food.
Jane (04:43):
That is actually how oh my God eating your food.
Yes, I had somebody who triedto do that to me and I was kind
of dating them because I was ina relationship where we had
gotten to a crossroads where wesaid we should see other people
because we just weren't sure ifwe were going to kind of make it
and we're like let's just seeother people.
So this was somebody that I'mnot very proud of this, but I
(05:06):
met them in this back in the AOLchat room days.
I met him in an AOL chat room.
Etienne (05:10):
Oh, my God
Jane (05:25):
This is so bad.
Yeah, and we were both intoraves and stuff, and we were
both gonna be at the same clubin the city and we were
describing like this beforeonline dating, and and there's
no texting, there's nosmartphones, there's no send me
a pic.
We're literally describing whatwe looked like so that we could
then find each other at thisclub.
Etienne (05:32):
Oh
Jane (05:33):
And then immediately he just gloms on to me and you know
he already had my phone numberand then he immediately went
into some kind of weird mentalhealth crisis where now his
sister is calling me and askingme like come help, he's in the
hospital, he had an episode andhe really needs his girlfriend
right now.
Like wait what?
(05:53):
Like I just
Heidi (05:55):
we just met.
Etienne (05:57):
Girlfriend, did you not ?
We didn't even have sex yet.
Jane (06:00):
No, no
Heidi (06:00):
Oh my God.
Etienne (06:01):
Oh my God, you didn't even have sex yet.
You're his girlfriend.
Jane (06:05):
No, we had made out once.
Etienne (06:08):
Well, I guess this is we're in grade school and that
means you're his girlfriend forlife.
Heidi (06:13):
Oh, shit.
Jane (06:20):
And now I am his emergency contact.
Yes, so I felt terrible See,this is part of the manipulation
thing, right?
And went to pick him up at thehospital.
He has no job, he has no car,he has no prospects.
Everything he owns fits in likea backpack.
And he is asking if he can comelive with me and I was like
Etienne (06:35):
You'll never get rid of him.
You would be like there forever.
Jane (06:38):
Oh, no
Etienne (06:39):
yeah
Jane (06:40):
Like what is happening.
Heidi (06:43):
But this happens to women all the time.
There's articles written aboutthis.
Jane (06:49):
Yes, yes.
Anyway, that's really as closeas I get to a hobosexual story,
because I felt it happening andI felt part of myself wanting to
say yes, because I feltterrible for him.
But then I was like he's beenliving on a sister's couch for
like a while and I think she wasso excited that she was like,
oh good, good.
Heidi (07:06):
She's ready to take him off my hands.
Jane (07:09):
That is what was happening , and my hackles were up, though
, thankfully, because I couldsee how you could get pulled
into that.
Etienne (07:18):
Yeah, they prey on women who are empathetic too.
That's another part.
You can't just take any womanand do this to them.
It has to be somebody who isalready going to be prone to
caring about other people.
I bet there's a lot of nurseswith hobosexuals.
Heidi (07:32):
Oh, I have friends.
Jane (07:33):
Etty, have you seen anything like that happen?
Like I know that you have a lotof friends in that circle,
because I have friends who arenurses, but I don't remember
them ever telling me like theybrought home Somebody got
discharged and then
Etienne (07:45):
Actually, honestly, no, I haven't.
But I know, in general nurseshave terrible relationships.
They're just known for that.
They are always with somebodywho needs to be taken care of in
some fashion, I guess, becausethat's our job, that's our
career.
So we already take care ofpeople and I feel like I do fall
into that category a little bit.
So that's why I'm a little bitscared about even starting a
(08:07):
date.
Heidi (08:08):
Oh God.
Etienne (08:08):
Because I don't want to fall into that again where I
feel like I'm going to besomebody's nurse or purse.
Right, that's the one that Ilearned in the last six months.
I don't want to be anybody'snurse or purse.
No, I want to be in arelationship with somebody who
is just as independent and ableto take care of themselves as I
am able to take care of myself.
That's what I'm looking forwhenever I do start looking
(08:30):
again.
If I start looking again, theybetter fall into my lap, because
I don't know if I'm looking.
You just knock on the door.
Hey heard you need a boyfriend.
I'm financially independent, Ican take care of myself.
I'm like perfect, all right,I'll go have coffee with you.
Jane (08:50):
And immediately be like do you have a stable living
situation?
Do you.
.
.
are you, are you housed?
Etienne (08:56):
How long have you been at your job?
Can I run your credit reportlike it's like do the whole
thing.
Let me me see when are yougoing to retire.
Jane (09:04):
I mean, you joke
Etienne (09:05):
But let me see your retirement figures.
Like not really that bad.
Jane (09:08):
Yeah, like this is literally like we're too old to
not know these things.
I don't know
Etienne (09:13):
Exactly
Jane (09:14):
Because you guys have both recently dated and you know how
weird it is out there.
Like Heidi, have you had ahobosexual trying to sneak their
way into your life?
Heidi (09:22):
Somewhat, before I even went into the Air Force I had
already graduated high schooland was dating a guy that was
couch surfing and I was payingfor everything.
When I left to join the AirForce that's when I ended things
, but he was probably out therebeing a hobosexual with the
women.
And then a couple years ago aguy was kind of housing insecure
(09:46):
, you might say that's a niceway of saying it.
I actually started looking fora new apartment to possibly live
with him and thank God I kindof woke up to no, that's not a
good idea, because I saw thewriting on the wall he's just
looking for a better housingsituation, because I think he
was living in a basementsomewhere.
Jane (10:05):
That makes him sound like a troll.
Etienne (10:08):
A troll.
He lived under a bridge.
Heidi (10:09):
He had terrible credit criminal record, so all these
things against him that, youknow, makes it really hard to
find decent housing, Plus notmaking a whole lot per month.
So yeah, I was going to end uphaving to pick up a lot of the
slack.
Nope, I'm glad I woke up tothat, but it was very close to a
(10:32):
hobosexual situation, for sure.
Etienne (10:35):
Was he good in the bedroom Like?
Does he fit the definition inthe whole way?
Heidi (10:39):
Yes.
Yeah, yeah.
He's probably out there using itand has gotten himself a nice
living situation.
Etienne (10:49):
It's kind of like a form of prostitution in a way
right
A little bit yeah
they're probably creating their skills
for a place to live.
Heidi (10:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Jane (10:56):
Are we just ascribing hobosexual to what behavior that
a dude does when it's flippedgender-wise that we were like
she just has a sugar daddy?
Is having a sugar mama similarto being a hobosexual?
Is it a spectrum?
On a scale of hobosexual to youknow, looking for sugar mama,
like, where are you?
Like,I feel like that should be a
(11:17):
dating profile question becauselike, maybe
Etienne (11:21):
Because I was thinking like hobosexual, I was assuming
we could go with either genderand even, like you know, you
could be like a female, goingfor females and being hobosexual
right like in
Jane (11:30):
this is true
Etienne (11:31):
characteristics.
It doesn't say that it's maleor female right,
Heidi (11:34):
it's mainly men that they talk about.
Etienne (11:36):
Talking about men, yeah , but you're right, like having
a sugar daddy.
How is that different unless,uh, they're literally not
manipulating the guy.
I mean, the guy is gettingsomething out of it.
He knows he's paying for her.
She's probably younger than him, probably have a job.
She, her only job is to makehim happy and look good
Jane (11:54):
But you just made the distinction.
The distinction is that the girllooking for a sugar daddy is
probably being like, more honestin her being if you're in the
hobosexuals, more manipulativeand all of a sudden the woman's
like wait, uh-oh, hold on thisguy.
I'm like his mom now.
Etienne (12:07):
Yeah, because look in our society doesn't seem like
it's okay for a woman to be likeyeah, I'll pay for you to be my
little pool boy.
You know, you just live herewith me and take care of me my
needs in the bedroom and you canlive here and I'll pay for your
food.
And you don't have a job, youcan use my car while I'm at work
.
Heidi (12:24):
No woman would agree to that.
Etienne (12:26):
No woman
Heidi (12:27):
Not very many.
Etienne (12:37):
And she's like yes, exactly like dude, we know why
you're with me, let's be honest
Jane (12:39):
And we just call them power cougars.
I guess they're just likethey've got it together and
they're just like I want.
Yeah
Etienne (12:42):
I can imagine like a female ceo going.
I'm not,
Heidi (12:43):
I just need a young stud to take care of
Etienne (12:44):
simulating an intimate relationship with you.
Let's be honest
Heidi (12:48):
yeah, yeah
Etienne (12:49):
we know what you're here for you know why I'm using
you.
You're using me.
I'm using you,
Heidi (12:54):
yeah.
Yeah, there's honesty in thatkind of relationship where with
the hobosexual it's very yeah.
Etienne (13:01):
It's not honest.
They know what they're doing.
I mean, maybe they don't knowwhat they're doing.
It's just ingrained in them tojust use people and just to
gently do it, you know or?
maybe not so gently, but likedoing this behavior, engaging in
this maybe.
Heidi (13:18):
Well, they're just pulling on heartstrings because
the guy I knew he wouldinfiltrate into different church
groups and get free housing outof that and stuff
Jane (13:27):
wait, how would he infiltrate?
he would just go to some kind ofBible study and then just start
what, casually dropping that hedidn't have a place to stay.
Heidi (13:35):
Sob story
Etienne (13:36):
Holy shit.
Heidi (13:38):
He did have a traumatic background, but he definitely
used his traumatic background aslike a means to get free cars,
get free housing.
Etienne (13:50):
Did he literally have a car he didn't pay for?
That was his car
Heidi (13:53):
I believe.
So I believe he got it.
Yeah, he was getting free cars.
He was good.
Jane (14:00):
Are we doing it wrong.
Should we be doing it?
Etienne (14:02):
No, I think we're going to go back in life and redo
this.
No, I do have a story.
Yeah,
Jane (14:09):
oh, I want to hear it.
Etienne (14:10):
I do have a story, but not a true hobosexual.
Actually, I think he could havebeen.
He wasn't.
But let me tell you my story.
His name was Jonah.
I met him on Tinder one morningwhen I was bored Later in the
day, supposed to be meetingsomebody who I had been texting
on Tinder for like a week, but Iwas bored.
Instead of doing somethingconstructive, I went on Tinder
(14:35):
and met somebody else and I metJonah, and Jonah immediately was
telling me how he had gottenoral sex lessons from a lesbian.
And I'm like wait, what?
Heidi (14:43):
Tell me more
Etienne (14:44):
because I that's, yeah, cunnilingus is my favorite
thing in the whole wide world toreceive.
Obviously, I'm a heterosexual,not out there giving it out, I'm
on the receiving end of this.
So I'm like, oh, um, so whatare you doing right now?
He's like nothing.
(15:06):
I could meet you.
Literally, I met him like 10minutes later at the coffee shop
down the street from me and andI text the guy that I was
supposed to be seeing later inthe day and I was like I feigned
sickness and he saw through me.
It was so blatantly obvious I'dgotten a better offer or
something and I never did meetthat other dude.
I feel that's not bad, but Idon't even remember what he
looks like or what his name was.
The other dude I almost felldown my stairs running to my car
(15:29):
to get to where I was going tobe meeting Jonah, and he pulls
up in this brand new giantpickup truck.
He's cute.
But the pictures that he had inTinder, his profile pictures he
looks like he was a crossbetween Lane Staley from Alice
in Chains and he was dressedlike Eazy-E, like, I'm not
(15:50):
kidding, it was full on what thefuck is happening, but like.
But he was sweet and, of course, the oral sex lessons.
Okay, we'll just overlick whathis style is, but he showed up
just normal, like he had normal
dude you just said
oh god, did I say
Heidi (16:10):
overlook, overlook
Etienne (16:17):
overlook, overlook the fact that yeah, no, but he
looked normal and he had thisreally nice truck and I'm like I
didn't know what his situationwas, I just cared about and like
, literally, I just
Heidi (16:27):
your brain stopped working after that
Etienne (16:30):
I didn't even like, I didn't even tell him about me
like at this at this meetingwhere I was I didn't even get
coffee
Jane (16:36):
like an oral sex drive thru
You're like, let's do this.
I would like this to go,
Heidi (16:42):
yeah
Etienne (16:42):
exactly I'm like where is he?
Where is he?
Heidi (16:47):
I need this in my life now.
Etienne (16:49):
Oh, my God.
So I made him tell me all thedetails.
So originally in the texting hetold me oh, it was a friend's
mother that taught him how togive oral sex lessons.
And then, when he saw me inperson, he's like no, no, not
exactly.
I found her on Craigslist.
She was giving out oral sex.
We had to pay for it.
It was multiple weekends, so itwas like a multi weekend class
(17:13):
and it was taught by a lesbianor I guess maybe she was
bisexual because she had adaughter and after she taught
you something, you practiced onher daughter.
Jane (17:21):
This is so freaking weird.
Etienne (17:23):
Adult daughter, not young daughter adult daughter
Heidi (17:26):
but okay, say the daughter.
And when I adult, yeah, adultdaughter.
Etienne (17:29):
Okay, yeah, well yeah, if that was a job I could sign
up for, I'd freaking do thatevery day of the week and for
free.
Please let that be my job.
Oh my yes, yes,
Heidi (17:42):
I'll be the test subject.
Jane (17:43):
Oh my God
Etienne (17:45):
and while he's talking.
I'm making him talk more andmore about it, like every little
detail I could wring out of him.
I was wringing out of him and Iwas getting so wet while I was
talking to him I was worried itwas going to show through my
pants.
Like not even kidding, I'venever been that turned on in my
life from words alone and I'mlike do you want to come back to
my place?
Like as soon as he was finishedtelling me everything, he would
(18:09):
tell me got to go to my place.
And so we get to my house.
I practically run up the stairsto my bedroom, rip my clothes
off.
They were off so fast.
I've never taken my clothes offthat fast before and I threw
myself on the bed and he's juststanding there watching me,
fully clothed, watching what I'mdoing, and he's like whoa,
(18:32):
somebody is ready to get licked.
I just smiled.
I didn't say anything, but Ishould have said yeah, I just
met you.
Like it's been literally anhour since I even knew you
existed in the world.
So he did this.
He didn't even he still clotheson, like what he did to me.
He had his clothes on theentire time.
He comes over to me and he doesthis like thing over my pubic
(18:55):
area, like with his hands, likehe's measuring something.
I have no idea what he's doing.
It's reminding me of John Nashin A Beautiful Mind, like you
know, like there's something,something secret that I don't
know about.
That he's like measuring,
Jane (19:07):
he's calibrating
Etienne (19:09):
yes, like he's figuring out where my internal stuff is
going to be from looking at theoutside and I'm like, okay,
whatever.
And then that's the last.
I don't really remember a lotof what happened, because I left
my body.
Seriously, I call him thesavant of oral sex in my mind,
because there's nobody who cameanywhere close to what he did to
(19:29):
me.
I astral projected.
The first time I came close tohaving an orgasm, which wasn't
long into what was happening, hechanged things up.
I got really, really close.
I was literally seconds away.
Then he stopped doing what hewas doing and he did something
else.
Heidi (19:43):
Oh, he was edging you.
Etienne (19:44):
Maybe he didn't realize that I was about to come.
We'll just let that slide.
He did it again.
He got me really close and thenhe changed it.
I'm like what are you doing?
I remember asking him why didyou stop?
He's like no, I know you'reabout to come.
I'm sorry it's not time yet.
I'm going to keep doing that toyou, I'm going to keep edging
you, and when you do come, it'sgoing to be incredible and he
(20:08):
was not joking.
I have never, never, had anorgasm as violent as the one
that.
Jane (20:14):
Violent.
Etienne (20:16):
Violent.
I literally, I wrote in mymemoir.
I described it as like I wassuccessfully riding a tsunami on
a surfboard.
Like that's how I felt, like itwas just insane what happened
to me.
I'll talk about him moreanother time this guy because
we're really talking abouthobosexuals and I haven't
actually gotten to the partwhere you might think he might
be a hobosexual, but obviouslyhe was excellent at oral sex,
(20:39):
the best ever.
The very next day I texted himsaying hey, can you meet?
What's happening?
CauseI didn't have a job at the time.
My job was almost, and he'slike I don't have a car today.
That truck is my roommate'struck.
But if you want to pick me upand take me back to your house,
that's fine, we can do that.
(20:59):
And I was like okay.
So that's when, of course, Isaid okay, I mean he lived 10
minutes away, it's not a bigdeal.
But turns out, where he livedwas in a one car garage with his
roommate where they had builtbunk beds.
They built up their beds sothat you could have a living
area under the bed, so it waslike a bunk bed, but only with
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the top one.
And the other things they hadin the garage cause it was very
small was a large screen TV, twogaming chairs and a microwave,
and that's where they lived.
The bathroom was in the house.
The shower was on a schedule,so you could not take a shower
outside of your schedule.
It was all men living in thishouse.
(21:43):
Every square inch of thisfucking place was rented out,
like obviously, because theyrented out the garage to people.
That's not kosher at all.
So the half bath that wasdownstairs people only use that
to poop they were all peeinginto the yard in the back
Heidi (21:59):
Lovely
Jane (22:00):
dudes
Heidi (22:00):
typical guys
Etienne (22:03):
They were so proud of what they'd done.
And the whole time I'm trying tolook interested, but not
judging.
I'm not judging, of course I'mnot judging.
I'm actually feeling fuckingshitty because I'm looking at my
middle-class house that I livein all by myself, with three
bedrooms and two baths, and Ihad this guy come over to my
place.
I just felt like I just rubbedin his face the fact that I have
(22:27):
all this stuff and he doesn't.
And he was just so sweet, hecould have taken such advantage
of me and he didn't.
He didn't even let me buy himpizza.
One night, when he was stoppingto get Little Caesar's pizza
I've never even had LittleCaesar's Pizza before this.
That was the first time I'dever had it he was like nope,
nope, I got it, I'm buying youdinner.
I'm like okay.
(22:47):
So yeah, this relationship onlylasted two weeks because it was
right around Christmas.
He invited me over to his place.
He was going to be cooking inthe kitchen, the kitchen in the
house and everybody who livedthere was going to be eating
Christmas dinner there and I hadnowhere to go.
I had nothing for Christmasgoing on.
So he invited me to come eatand I was in that house for that
(23:09):
dinner with all those peoplewhich ended up being all men for
about 20 minutes because I wasstarting to feel super
uncomfortable.
Everybody was drinking and themen were leering at me and I was
making eye contact with him.
He's still in the kitchen doinghis thing and I can see that he
sees that I'm like what ishappening?
(23:31):
I was starting to think I wasabout to get gang raped in this
house.
So I literally ate dinner,skipped dessert.
I made excuses and left.
I was like, oh, you know what II need to go like, walk my dogs
.
I forgot to walk my dogs beforeI came over, so I need to go.
And he never texted me again.
I never texted him again.
I never saw him again.
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So I don't know if he'd said toeverybody there oh, this hot
cougar that can't get enough ofme is coming over for dinner and
they're all like, oh, can'twait to meet her.
And I don't know if that's whathappens, but he seemed sweet.
He didn't seem like somebodywho would do that, but that's
exactly how the reactions ofthese men were.
So but yeah, if that hadn'thappened, I could imagine this
could have been a hobosexualsituation.
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But he was not manipulative, hewas very sweet.
But that's as close as I think.
I say that I came to ahobosexual situation.
Heidi (24:21):
Yeah
Jane (24:22):
maybe he was being sweet at first, I don't know.
I'm thinking,
Heidi (24:28):
yeah, that's kind of how they play it.
Jane (24:29):
My sister and I actually were propositioned by what I now
believe might have been apotential hobosexual situation,
where we were just being nicebut he was being like super
flirty and asking us all kindsof questions about do you have a
boyfriend and do you want aboyfriend, like kind of being
playful, but he was straight upunhoused.
(24:50):
I'm going to say homeless.
I don't understand why this hasbecome a thing.
You're not supposed to say theydon't have a home.
Homeless, that's the definition.
Anyway, he was a homeless dude,I'm not being mean.
He did not have a home.
And he was living in portjefferson, long island, and I
was a sophomore in college, yes,and my sister was a junior in
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high school and we were hangingout and this guy just had like a
backpack with everything andthey always have a backpack and
we had a backpack witheverything
he owned.
Etienne (25:21):
Well, it's better than a shopping cart.
It's more handy.
Jane (25:24):
Yeah, that's true.
It was summer, so maybe hedidn't need a bunch of
accoutrement yet.
He just had a backpack and hishacky sack.
And he was doing hacky sacktricks.
He definitely looked like awhite boy working on dreads.
Etienne (25:38):
I love that, I used to love that.
Jane (25:39):
Totally come in yet okay
Heidi (25:40):
yeah
Jane (25:42):
And I at the time I was kind of a sucker for it
too.
I was into the grateful deadand I was a big hippie and this
guy was definitely like dirtyhippie, reeked of cheap
patchouli to try to cover up thebo and he was hacky sacking and
inviting anybody to hacky sackwith him.
He was walking by this fountainand my sister and I knew how to
hacky sack, like barely you knowwhat I mean?
Like we could hang a little bit, and he was just like hey,
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girls, you want to?
Like you know, and we're likeokay, you know.
So we're like hacky sackingwith this homeless dude and he
was really cute and we weretalking to him afterwards and he
starts talking about like hey,man, you know, I don't know if
you have any money, I'm likesuper hungry or if you'd have
any snacks or something.
And it wasn't dawning on me thewhole situation at the time, but
(26:25):
I was just like, well, I'mgoing to make 13 bean soup
tonight, like, literally, that'swhat I was going to do is just
go back to my house.
I live with my dad, you know.
I was like we can go back to myhouse and make 13 bean soup if
you would like to join us.
This is my
Etienne (26:37):
oh, that's so sweet
Jane (26:40):
my 19-old self.
Yeah, well, he thought so tooat the time.
He just kept talking about howpretty my sister and I were and
how we looked so much alike andhe was probably thinking I'm
going to go have some 13-beansoup and then get down with
these sisters, because that'sthe direction that things took.
So I brought him back to myfather's house where I was
living in college, made 13 beansoup and talked to him the whole
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time.
As I'm making soup, it'sbecoming more and more apparent
he is totally homeless and he'sasking about like extra rooms in
the house, like how manybedrooms are in this house and I
was like, dude, this is justabout soup and hacky sacks.
Like, oh no, my sister and Imake an eye contact.
We have to figure out how toget him out of the house.
Etienne (27:20):
I was going to say how did he get there, did you?
Jane (27:22):
I brought him there like in my car.
Etienne (27:24):
Oh
Jane (27:25):
I took a homeless person in my car with my sister to come
have dinner.
Etienne (27:29):
Wow, your dad must have .
I have to hear if your dad satyou down after this whole thing.
Jane (27:35):
We did not tell him because he was not
Etienne (27:38):
oh he wasn't there
Jane (27:40):
no
Heidi (27:45):
tell him
Jane (27:48):
okay, and his name.
What he told us to call him waspig hair.
Etienne (27:50):
Fuck
Jane (27:50):
that's what he told us his name was
Etienne (27:51):
what the fuck
Jane (27:51):
like one word, he was very specific one word, and I was
like oh my god, what have I done?
Whathave I done I have my sister
here.
She's younger, I'm supposed tobe the big sister, I'm supposed
to protect us.
We're cooking for a homelessperson in our house, like
literally running a soup kitchen, like for one in our house
Heidi (28:12):
soup kitchen for one
Jane (28:14):
Soup kitchen for one.
So we had like a nice man.
He was really nice but it wasgetting creepy about like asking
situations, you know
Heidi (28:19):
yeah
Jane (28:20):
then he spent entirely too long in our bathroom.
It was downstairs, and I'mrealizing that he's using the
sink in there like a bathtubtype of thing and I was like,
okay, you know what, this iswhat they tell you supposed to
do.
I didn't know he was gonna dothat in there.
I just thought he was going tothe bathroom, or I would have
told him to go upstairs, maybe,but I didn't want to upstairs
unsupervised.
So now it's a thing the wholetime.
(28:40):
He's super nice, but he'ssaying things that are like
slightly sexual about like
Etienne (28:43):
oh no, is he gonna try to threesome you guys?
Jane (28:46):
Like how close are we?
Like have you ever kissed eachother?
and I was like we gotta get thisguy out of the house
Etienne (28:50):
he could move in and have sex with two sisters, like
they can make me soup.
Like what is that?
that's like the best
Jane (28:56):
that's what he's thinking For that one day, pig hair was
living the dream.
But I did not take.
Heidi (29:05):
His fantasies were coming true.
Jane (29:07):
I didn't drive him back to Port Jefferson.
We lived in Stony Brook at thetime and Port Jefferson was the
end of the line for the LongIsland Railroad train station.
I took him to the Stony Brooktrain station and gave him train
fare to go back to PortJefferson Because I was like,
after that whole thing, you'renot alone in my car with me and
my sister now, and so that wasthe concession.
Etienne (29:25):
What age do you think he was, or did he tell you?
Jane (29:28):
He was definitely my age, or maybe a little bit older.
It wasn't like creepy old dude.
I guess that's why it didn'toccur to me.
He was like hot 19 year oldalso
Etienne (29:36):
Also.
Yeah.
Jane (29:41):
Also, like I, was hot.
Etienne (29:42):
You can categorize yourself as hot
Heidi (29:43):
but he's been on the streets for a while.
So he's way more
Jane (29:44):
and I ran into him many other times after that
Etienne (29:47):
what you saw him with the hacky sack like.
Heidi (29:49):
Oh really
Jane (29:49):
that was his shtick hacky sack by the fountain, port jeff.
And whenever I say I would justsay because I didn't want any
problems, I was just like heypighair and they just kept on
walking.
Etienne (29:58):
Did he like acknowledge you, like he knew who you were?
Jane (29:59):
Yes.
Oh, he totally knew who I was.
I didn't walk close enoughwhere I would get sucked into
conversation.
I was like I'm on to you now nomore.
You know, like I said, hewasn't mean, he didn't get any
kind of aggression.
I just think he was looking forlike a couch surfing situation
at the very least.
But when he saw my dad had anice house.
(30:23):
There was a pool.
Etienne (30:23):
Oh God
Jane (30:23):
yeah, he was.
You know I'm making him 13 beansoup.
Etienne (30:24):
Was there actually an empty room that he could have
like, moved into?
Jane (30:26):
No, there were four bedrooms.
My stepbrother and my sisterand I each had our own bedrooms
and then my parents had theirbedroom.
So there were no free spaces,but there were couches.
There were multiple couches.
I think he would have beenhappy with the lounge chair out
by the pool which he made a jokeabout and I was like, oh God,
we got to go, you might show up.
Etienne (30:42):
Yeah, one morning you might show up and go outside and
there he is sleeping on thelounge chair.
Jane (30:46):
I mean yeah
Etienne (30:48):
wow, that's.
Yeah.
I think you had the closest,the most real hobosexual
experience possibly, like thatwould have totally turned into
Heidi (30:58):
yeah
Etienne (30:58):
If you weren't living with your dad, and you didn't
notice right away that there wassomething wrong.
Jane (31:02):
Oh, I would have been.
Yeah, the soup kitchen for onewould have turned into like
boarding house for one.
That could have happened to meif I was single in an apartment.
Heidi (31:10):
But it goes to show you our society, these people that
are hustling just for a roofover their head, and the victims
that they target.
And why can't we just houseeverybody, like there's enough
Etienne (31:23):
I do have a question about the soup, though.
Are there actually 13 differentbeans in the soup, like, is that
why it's called 13-bean soup,or are there just 13 beans total
and that's why it's called that?
Jane (31:34):
No, it's literally 13 different kinds of beans.
Etienne (31:36):
I didn't even know there were 13 different kinds of
beans.
Heidi (31:39):
Yeah, I didn't either.
Jane (31:41):
It was the bag at the grocery store.
It says 13 bean soup and it haslike a little packet of
seasoning in it.
They probably still sell it.
And you soak the beansovernight, yeah, and then you
boil the beans and you puttomatoes in.
It's very good.
I would add potatoes, and itwas delicious.
Etienne (31:57):
It was gourmet soup, gourmet homeless person soup
Jane (32:00):
he loved it.
He asked if he could take somewith him and I was like I don't
know how I could do that for you
Heidi (32:06):
yeah
Jane (32:07):
safely
Etienne (32:07):
not the time of disposable tupperware that you
don't give a shit about.
Maybe back in the day
Jane (32:11):
yeah, no, we didn't have that in my house and I didn't
have a thermos that I could sendhim with
Etienne (32:15):
here, take this thermos .
No, no, thermos is whereeverything was expensive.
Heidi (32:20):
Yes
Etienne (32:21):
you bought things for life back then.
You didn't just throw awayeverything.
Jane (32:24):
This is true.
Heidi (32:25):
There was no Rubbermaid.
Etienne (32:27):
Oh my God
Jane (32:28):
God, pig hair.
Sorry, I literally hadn'tthought of that until we said we
were
Etienne (32:34):
Did this just come up?
Jane (32:35):
No, no, no.
I thought about it last nightwhen I was like I don't think I
had it but I honestly I hadforgotten about, like just how
involved it was with the soupand everything, because I hadn't
thought about it in a long time.
He didn't occupy space in mybrain.
But I wonder if my sister wouldbe occupy space in his brain.
I wonder if he still remembersus and I hope he's doing well.
Etienne (32:56):
Do you think your sister remembers him
Jane (32:58):
oh my gosh.
I'll text her right now.
I'll be like do you remember
Etienne (33:04):
do you remember
Jane (33:05):
She probably does, because she was a sucker for that hot
like white boy working on dreadslook too back in the day
Heidi (33:11):
yeah, and being a high schooler
Etienne (33:14):
I think it looked great .
I sat behind a guy in a theateronce who had dreads like that
and they were real, because theair conditioning was blowing
from in front of him back towhere I was sitting behind him
and those dreads smelled like ithadn't been washed in a long
time, and that's when I realizedthose dreads look nice but they
don't smell so good.
Heidi (33:34):
Yeah yeah, no thanks
Etienne (33:37):
or at least that one guy's dreads didn't smell good.
Heidi (33:39):
Yeah, I'm sure she was excited about an older guy
giving her attention to being ateenager
Etienne (33:46):
Yeah, seriously
Jane (33:47):
yes
Etienne (33:47):
I mean he was trying to get in there.
Heidi (33:49):
Mm-hmm
Etienne (33:51):
I'll just have a little party.
Heidi (33:53):
Mm-hmm
Etienne (33:55):
After the 13 bean soup.
Jane (33:57):
Oh man
Etienne (34:00):
so your dad never knew about this?
Jane (34:02):
No, no
Etienne (34:03):
oh god, I wonder what he would say today about this.
Jane (34:05):
I should bring it up.
Well, because they alreadycalled me like the wild child,
because I was already going outto raves and like not coming
back until sometime the next dayand like getting on buses to go
to raves in the middle offields in vermont.
They were just like you're socrazy
Etienne (34:18):
that sounds scary.
Jane (34:19):
It was scary for them, but they let me do it, because they
were like if you were living oncampus somewhere, we would have
no idea what you were doing.
So they were actually very.
they were terrified, but theylet me do what I want, because
that was the deal.
I'm like I'll go to thiscollege near you so you can pay
cheaper tuition, but the deal isI get to do whatever I want.
Heidi (34:39):
Yeah, you're an adult now and in college you want to
experience life
Jane (34:44):
Yeah, obviously, making poor decisions,
Etienne (34:46):
but at least you figured it out quickly.
Heidi (34:47):
Yeah
Etienne (34:48):
the decisions might have been poor, but at least
when you made them and theyweren't the best- you learned
you course corrected yeah.
You fixed the problem.
Heidi (34:57):
It's all growing.
Etienne (35:04):
It's a good life lesson
Jane (35:05):
and I hope that all of the hobosexuals everywhere are just
doing better.
I hope they're housed.
I think that got a serious note.
We're always talking abouttrying to leave the world better
than we found it, and I thinkthat helping the homeless in
real and tangible ways is reallyimportant, but also just having
boundaries so that you're doingit in a way where you stay safe
too, we can solve this problemwith compassion while also
retaining our own boundaries andsafety.
(35:26):
So soup kitchens for all, notjust soup kitchens for one.
Heidi (35:30):
Yeah Well, and just think of the amount of energy and
effort they could focus intobetter things like
entrepreneurship or inventions,instead of trying to use all
their energy and hustle intofinding their next meal, finding
where they're going to behoused that night.
If they could focus all thatenergy towards something better
(35:52):
that's going to help society.
Seriously, can we just houseand feed everybody?
There's enough.
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Be safe and be excellent toeach other.
Welcome listeners.
This is Women Are Plotting.
I'm Etienne Rose Olivier, andI'm here with my friends and
co-hosts Heidi Willis and JaneGari.
Today our episode ishobosexuals, so Heidi is going
to start us off with her funfact telling us what are
hobosexuals.
Heidi (00:23):
So a hobosexual, according to the urban
dictionary, is someone whoenters or fakes a relationship
to avoid homelessness.
So they say man trevor is sucha hobosexual, what's he gonna do
when he runs out of girls thatwill let him live with them?
So that's what they're using itin a sentence.
Etienne (00:48):
It's immediately labeled hobosexual.
Well, my fun fact hopefullynobody else you don't have this
one, jane is that the ConnieBritton series Dirty John is
based on a very famoushobosexual named John Meehan and
he pretended to be ananesthesiologist and, yeah, he
went out of his way and she wasa very well off interior
(01:12):
designer, in Southern California, I believe and yeah, they got
married and he ended up gettingkilled.
He ended up getting murdered inreal life, murdered by one of
her daughters because he hadapproached her on the top of
some parking garage and shefatally injured him and he died
the next day.
So, yeah, I actually watchedthat series.
That was good, but it was solong ago I don't remember the
(01:34):
specifics, but it was Eric Banaplayed.
JohnMeehan, I'm like dude, I
might've fallen for that too.
You can pretend to be ananesthesiologist.
if it's going to look like EricBana, I'm fine with that.
Jane (01:49):
I wonder if homosexuals just have to be good looking.
Heidi (01:53):
Yeah, they use their looks and their sexual prowess
to lure women.
Etienne (01:58):
They just have to be attractive to whoever the woman
is, and I think they usually doit through the sex, like how
well they are, how good they'rein bed, and God knows, we need
more men who are good in bed, soyou know, if they're homeless,
maybe that's the, that's thetrade off, I don't know.
But I think also the definitionof hobosexual is the
manipulation so they're doing.
(02:18):
They're using their skills toget into the women's lives.
Jane (02:32):
And you know and I, I was surprised to learn just how long
this term has been around, um,because I had not heard it until
the two of you educated me onit um, I didn't know that it
goes even back to like the 70s.
I thought that that was crazy.
I had never heard it before.
I know what it is, I've seen it, I've experienced it kind of.
But so the fun fact I waslooking into are there any stats
on this?
Etienne (02:51):
Oh shit, are there stats?
Jane (02:53):
Not one to one, but there was a study in the UK a couple
years ago that showed like onein five people in long-term
relationships have engaged in afinancially motivated dating
behavior like that trying to getto housing security or
financial security.
There's kind of somemanipulation there, of like,
okay, maybe he'll let me livewith him, you know, and then I
(03:13):
won't have to pay as much rent.
We're immediately thinking likea dude, right, because that's
our experience.
And then in 2019, in the UnitedStates, there was a Statista
study that showed that 10% ofonline dating app users had
engaged in similar behavior,specifically to get a more
stable living situation and Iwas wondering if it could be
broken down by state and if youcould make some kind of
(03:35):
correlation between like well,in California the housing is
really expensive.
More people are trying to getoff the couch surfing circuit
and make their way into a steadyrelationship and they're just
going to date their way intobetter housing and I just
thought what a sad commentary onthings.
But I can see this happeningeasily.
It has to be like over someoneexperiencing homelessness coming
(03:58):
up to me and being like hey,you want to go out, baby.
That's how I was thinking aboutit.
But it's not always like that.
Sometimes it's just someonetrying to get that better
apartment, but they don't careabout you
Etienne (04:10):
when I was reading over and over, when I was looking up
, trying to find a fun fact fortoday, is that a lot of people
who are talking about like notscientifically talking about
hobosexuals, but like peoplewho've written blog posts or
whatever about hobosexuals, andall of them started out saying
you meet him on sunday, you haveamazing sex, he really really
likes you, and by friday he'sliving with you and he's driving
(04:31):
your car and he usually doesn'thave steady work either, so
it's like he literally hasnothing and he just takes you
for everything that he can
Heidi (04:41):
yep, he's eating your food.
Jane (04:43):
That is actually how oh my God eating your food.
Yes, I had somebody who triedto do that to me and I was kind
of dating them because I was ina relationship where we had
gotten to a crossroads where wesaid we should see other people
because we just weren't sure ifwe were going to kind of make it
and we're like let's just seeother people.
So this was somebody that I'mnot very proud of this, but I
(05:06):
met them in this back in the AOLchat room days.
I met him in an AOL chat room.
Etienne (05:10):
Oh, my God
Jane (05:25):
This is so bad.
Yeah, and we were both intoraves and stuff, and we were
both gonna be at the same clubin the city and we were
describing like this beforeonline dating, and and there's
no texting, there's nosmartphones, there's no send me
a pic.
We're literally describing whatwe looked like so that we could
then find each other at thisclub.
Etienne (05:32):
Oh
Jane (05:33):
And then immediately he just gloms on to me and you know
he already had my phone numberand then he immediately went
into some kind of weird mentalhealth crisis where now his
sister is calling me and askingme like come help, he's in the
hospital, he had an episode andhe really needs his girlfriend
right now.
Like wait what?
(05:53):
Like I just
Heidi (05:55):
we just met.
Etienne (05:57):
Girlfriend, did you not ?
We didn't even have sex yet.
Jane (06:00):
No, no
Heidi (06:00):
Oh my God.
Etienne (06:01):
Oh my God, you didn't even have sex yet.
You're his girlfriend.
Jane (06:05):
No, we had made out once.
Etienne (06:08):
Well, I guess this is we're in grade school and that
means you're his girlfriend forlife.
Heidi (06:13):
Oh, shit.
Jane (06:20):
And now I am his emergency contact.
Yes, so I felt terrible See,this is part of the manipulation
thing, right?
And went to pick him up at thehospital.
He has no job, he has no car,he has no prospects.
Everything he owns fits in likea backpack.
And he is asking if he can comelive with me and I was like
Etienne (06:35):
You'll never get rid of him.
You would be like there forever.
Jane (06:38):
Oh, no
Etienne (06:39):
yeah
Jane (06:40):
Like what is happening.
Heidi (06:43):
But this happens to women all the time.
There's articles written aboutthis.
Jane (06:49):
Yes, yes.
Anyway, that's really as closeas I get to a hobosexual story,
because I felt it happening andI felt part of myself wanting to
say yes, because I feltterrible for him.
But then I was like he's beenliving on a sister's couch for
like a while and I think she wasso excited that she was like,
oh good, good.
Heidi (07:06):
She's ready to take him off my hands.
Jane (07:09):
That is what was happening , and my hackles were up, though
, thankfully, because I couldsee how you could get pulled
into that.
Etienne (07:18):
Yeah, they prey on women who are empathetic too.
That's another part.
You can't just take any womanand do this to them.
It has to be somebody who isalready going to be prone to
caring about other people.
I bet there's a lot of nurseswith hobosexuals.
Heidi (07:32):
Oh, I have friends.
Jane (07:33):
Etty, have you seen anything like that happen?
Like I know that you have a lotof friends in that circle,
because I have friends who arenurses, but I don't remember
them ever telling me like theybrought home Somebody got
discharged and then
Etienne (07:45):
Actually, honestly, no, I haven't.
But I know, in general nurseshave terrible relationships.
They're just known for that.
They are always with somebodywho needs to be taken care of in
some fashion, I guess, becausethat's our job, that's our
career.
So we already take care ofpeople and I feel like I do fall
into that category a little bit.
So that's why I'm a little bitscared about even starting a
(08:07):
date.
Heidi (08:08):
Oh God.
Etienne (08:08):
Because I don't want to fall into that again where I
feel like I'm going to besomebody's nurse or purse.
Right, that's the one that Ilearned in the last six months.
I don't want to be anybody'snurse or purse.
No, I want to be in arelationship with somebody who
is just as independent and ableto take care of themselves as I
am able to take care of myself.
That's what I'm looking forwhenever I do start looking
(08:30):
again.
If I start looking again, theybetter fall into my lap, because
I don't know if I'm looking.
You just knock on the door.
Hey heard you need a boyfriend.
I'm financially independent, Ican take care of myself.
I'm like perfect, all right,I'll go have coffee with you.
Jane (08:50):
And immediately be like do you have a stable living
situation?
Do you.
.
.
are you, are you housed?
Etienne (08:56):
How long have you been at your job?
Can I run your credit reportlike it's like do the whole
thing.
Let me me see when are yougoing to retire.
Jane (09:04):
I mean, you joke
Etienne (09:05):
But let me see your retirement figures.
Like not really that bad.
Jane (09:08):
Yeah, like this is literally like we're too old to
not know these things.
I don't know
Etienne (09:13):
Exactly
Jane (09:14):
Because you guys have both recently dated and you know how
weird it is out there.
Like Heidi, have you had ahobosexual trying to sneak their
way into your life?
Heidi (09:22):
Somewhat, before I even went into the Air Force I had
already graduated high schooland was dating a guy that was
couch surfing and I was payingfor everything.
When I left to join the AirForce that's when I ended things
, but he was probably out therebeing a hobosexual with the
women.
And then a couple years ago aguy was kind of housing insecure
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, you might say that's a niceway of saying it.
I actually started looking fora new apartment to possibly live
with him and thank God I kindof woke up to no, that's not a
good idea, because I saw thewriting on the wall he's just
looking for a better housingsituation, because I think he
was living in a basementsomewhere.
Jane (10:05):
That makes him sound like a troll.
Etienne (10:08):
A troll.
He lived under a bridge.
Heidi (10:09):
He had terrible credit criminal record, so all these
things against him that, youknow, makes it really hard to
find decent housing, Plus notmaking a whole lot per month.
So yeah, I was going to end uphaving to pick up a lot of the
slack.
Nope, I'm glad I woke up tothat, but it was very close to a
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hobosexual situation, for sure.
Etienne (10:35):
Was he good in the bedroom Like?
Does he fit the definition inthe whole way?
Heidi (10:39):
Yes.
Yeah, yeah.
He's probably out there using itand has gotten himself a nice
living situation.
Etienne (10:49):
It's kind of like a form of prostitution in a way
right
A little bit yeah
they're probably creating their skills
for a place to live.
Heidi (10:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Jane (10:56):
Are we just ascribing hobosexual to what behavior that
a dude does when it's flippedgender-wise that we were like
she just has a sugar daddy?
Is having a sugar mama similarto being a hobosexual?
Is it a spectrum?
On a scale of hobosexual to youknow, looking for sugar mama,
like, where are you?
Like,I feel like that should be a
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dating profile question becauselike, maybe
Etienne (11:21):
Because I was thinking like hobosexual, I was assuming
we could go with either genderand even, like you know, you
could be like a female, goingfor females and being hobosexual
right like in
Jane (11:30):
this is true
Etienne (11:31):
characteristics.
It doesn't say that it's maleor female right,
Heidi (11:34):
it's mainly men that they talk about.
Etienne (11:36):
Talking about men, yeah , but you're right, like having
a sugar daddy.
How is that different unless,uh, they're literally not
manipulating the guy.
I mean, the guy is gettingsomething out of it.
He knows he's paying for her.
She's probably younger than him, probably have a job.
She, her only job is to makehim happy and look good
Jane (11:54):
But you just made the distinction.
The distinction is that the girllooking for a sugar daddy is
probably being like, more honestin her being if you're in the
hobosexuals, more manipulativeand all of a sudden the woman's
like wait, uh-oh, hold on thisguy.
I'm like his mom now.
Etienne (12:07):
Yeah, because look in our society doesn't seem like
it's okay for a woman to be likeyeah, I'll pay for you to be my
little pool boy.
You know, you just live herewith me and take care of me my
needs in the bedroom and you canlive here and I'll pay for your
food.
And you don't have a job, youcan use my car while I'm at work
.
Heidi (12:24):
No woman would agree to that.
Etienne (12:26):
No woman
Heidi (12:27):
Not very many.
Etienne (12:37):
And she's like yes, exactly like dude, we know why
you're with me, let's be honest
Jane (12:39):
And we just call them power cougars.
I guess they're just likethey've got it together and
they're just like I want.
Yeah
Etienne (12:42):
I can imagine like a female ceo going.
I'm not,
Heidi (12:43):
I just need a young stud to take care of
Etienne (12:44):
simulating an intimate relationship with you.
Let's be honest
Heidi (12:48):
yeah, yeah
Etienne (12:49):
we know what you're here for you know why I'm using
you.
You're using me.
I'm using you,
Heidi (12:54):
yeah.
Yeah, there's honesty in thatkind of relationship where with
the hobosexual it's very yeah.
Etienne (13:01):
It's not honest.
They know what they're doing.
I mean, maybe they don't knowwhat they're doing.
It's just ingrained in them tojust use people and just to
gently do it, you know or?
maybe not so gently, but likedoing this behavior, engaging in
this maybe.
Heidi (13:18):
Well, they're just pulling on heartstrings because
the guy I knew he wouldinfiltrate into different church
groups and get free housing outof that and stuff
Jane (13:27):
wait, how would he infiltrate?
he would just go to some kind ofBible study and then just start
what, casually dropping that hedidn't have a place to stay.
Heidi (13:35):
Sob story
Etienne (13:36):
Holy shit.
Heidi (13:38):
He did have a traumatic background, but he definitely
used his traumatic background aslike a means to get free cars,
get free housing.
Etienne (13:50):
Did he literally have a car he didn't pay for?
That was his car
Heidi (13:53):
I believe.
So I believe he got it.
Yeah, he was getting free cars.
He was good.
Jane (14:00):
Are we doing it wrong.
Should we be doing it?
Etienne (14:02):
No, I think we're going to go back in life and redo
this.
No, I do have a story.
Yeah,
Jane (14:09):
oh, I want to hear it.
Etienne (14:10):
I do have a story, but not a true hobosexual.
Actually, I think he could havebeen.
He wasn't.
But let me tell you my story.
His name was Jonah.
I met him on Tinder one morningwhen I was bored Later in the
day, supposed to be meetingsomebody who I had been texting
on Tinder for like a week, but Iwas bored.
Instead of doing somethingconstructive, I went on Tinder
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and met somebody else and I metJonah, and Jonah immediately was
telling me how he had gottenoral sex lessons from a lesbian.
And I'm like wait, what?
Heidi (14:43):
Tell me more
Etienne (14:44):
because I that's, yeah, cunnilingus is my favorite
thing in the whole wide world toreceive.
Obviously, I'm a heterosexual,not out there giving it out, I'm
on the receiving end of this.
So I'm like, oh, um, so whatare you doing right now?
He's like nothing.
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I could meet you.
Literally, I met him like 10minutes later at the coffee shop
down the street from me and andI text the guy that I was
supposed to be seeing later inthe day and I was like I feigned
sickness and he saw through me.
It was so blatantly obvious I'dgotten a better offer or
something and I never did meetthat other dude.
I feel that's not bad, but Idon't even remember what he
looks like or what his name was.
The other dude I almost felldown my stairs running to my car
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to get to where I was going tobe meeting Jonah, and he pulls
up in this brand new giantpickup truck.
He's cute.
But the pictures that he had inTinder, his profile pictures he
looks like he was a crossbetween Lane Staley from Alice
in Chains and he was dressedlike Eazy-E, like, I'm not
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kidding, it was full on what thefuck is happening, but like.
But he was sweet and, of course, the oral sex lessons.
Okay, we'll just overlick whathis style is, but he showed up
just normal, like he had normal
dude you just said
oh god, did I say
Heidi (16:10):
overlook, overlook
Etienne (16:17):
overlook, overlook the fact that yeah, no, but he
looked normal and he had thisreally nice truck and I'm like I
didn't know what his situationwas, I just cared about and like
, literally, I just
Heidi (16:27):
your brain stopped working after that
Etienne (16:30):
I didn't even like, I didn't even tell him about me
like at this at this meetingwhere I was I didn't even get
coffee
Jane (16:36):
like an oral sex drive thru
You're like, let's do this.
I would like this to go,
Heidi (16:42):
yeah
Etienne (16:42):
exactly I'm like where is he?
Where is he?
Heidi (16:47):
I need this in my life now.
Etienne (16:49):
Oh, my God.
So I made him tell me all thedetails.
So originally in the texting hetold me oh, it was a friend's
mother that taught him how togive oral sex lessons.
And then, when he saw me inperson, he's like no, no, not
exactly.
I found her on Craigslist.
She was giving out oral sex.
We had to pay for it.
It was multiple weekends, so itwas like a multi weekend class
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and it was taught by a lesbianor I guess maybe she was
bisexual because she had adaughter and after she taught
you something, you practiced onher daughter.
Jane (17:21):
This is so freaking weird.
Etienne (17:23):
Adult daughter, not young daughter adult daughter
Heidi (17:26):
but okay, say the daughter.
And when I adult, yeah, adultdaughter.
Etienne (17:29):
Okay, yeah, well yeah, if that was a job I could sign
up for, I'd freaking do thatevery day of the week and for
free.
Please let that be my job.
Oh my yes, yes,
Heidi (17:42):
I'll be the test subject.
Jane (17:43):
Oh my God
Etienne (17:45):
and while he's talking.
I'm making him talk more andmore about it, like every little
detail I could wring out of him.
I was wringing out of him and Iwas getting so wet while I was
talking to him I was worried itwas going to show through my
pants.
Like not even kidding, I'venever been that turned on in my
life from words alone and I'mlike do you want to come back to
my place?
Like as soon as he was finishedtelling me everything, he would
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tell me got to go to my place.
And so we get to my house.
I practically run up the stairsto my bedroom, rip my clothes
off.
They were off so fast.
I've never taken my clothes offthat fast before and I threw
myself on the bed and he's juststanding there watching me,
fully clothed, watching what I'mdoing, and he's like whoa,
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somebody is ready to get licked.
I just smiled.
I didn't say anything, but Ishould have said yeah, I just
met you.
Like it's been literally anhour since I even knew you
existed in the world.
So he did this.
He didn't even he still clotheson, like what he did to me.
He had his clothes on theentire time.
He comes over to me and he doesthis like thing over my pubic
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area, like with his hands, likehe's measuring something.
I have no idea what he's doing.
It's reminding me of John Nashin A Beautiful Mind, like you
know, like there's something,something secret that I don't
know about.
That he's like measuring,
Jane (19:07):
he's calibrating
Etienne (19:09):
yes, like he's figuring out where my internal stuff is
going to be from looking at theoutside and I'm like, okay,
whatever.
And then that's the last.
I don't really remember a lotof what happened, because I left
my body.
Seriously, I call him thesavant of oral sex in my mind,
because there's nobody who cameanywhere close to what he did to
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me.
I astral projected.
The first time I came close tohaving an orgasm, which wasn't
long into what was happening, hechanged things up.
I got really, really close.
I was literally seconds away.
Then he stopped doing what hewas doing and he did something
else.
Heidi (19:43):
Oh, he was edging you.
Etienne (19:44):
Maybe he didn't realize that I was about to come.
We'll just let that slide.
He did it again.
He got me really close and thenhe changed it.
I'm like what are you doing?
I remember asking him why didyou stop?
He's like no, I know you'reabout to come.
I'm sorry it's not time yet.
I'm going to keep doing that toyou, I'm going to keep edging
you, and when you do come, it'sgoing to be incredible and he
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was not joking.
I have never, never, had anorgasm as violent as the one
that.
Jane (20:14):
Violent.
Etienne (20:16):
Violent.
I literally, I wrote in mymemoir.
I described it as like I wassuccessfully riding a tsunami on
a surfboard.
Like that's how I felt, like itwas just insane what happened
to me.
I'll talk about him moreanother time this guy because
we're really talking abouthobosexuals and I haven't
actually gotten to the partwhere you might think he might
be a hobosexual, but obviouslyhe was excellent at oral sex,
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the best ever.
The very next day I texted himsaying hey, can you meet?
What's happening?
CauseI didn't have a job at the time.
My job was almost, and he'slike I don't have a car today.
That truck is my roommate'struck.
But if you want to pick me upand take me back to your house,
that's fine, we can do that.
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And I was like okay.
So that's when, of course, Isaid okay, I mean he lived 10
minutes away, it's not a bigdeal.
But turns out, where he livedwas in a one car garage with his
roommate where they had builtbunk beds.
They built up their beds sothat you could have a living
area under the bed, so it waslike a bunk bed, but only with
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the top one.
And the other things they hadin the garage cause it was very
small was a large screen TV, twogaming chairs and a microwave,
and that's where they lived.
The bathroom was in the house.
The shower was on a schedule,so you could not take a shower
outside of your schedule.
It was all men living in thishouse.
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Every square inch of thisfucking place was rented out,
like obviously, because theyrented out the garage to people.
That's not kosher at all.
So the half bath that wasdownstairs people only use that
to poop they were all peeinginto the yard in the back
Heidi (21:59):
Lovely
Jane (22:00):
dudes
Heidi (22:00):
typical guys
Etienne (22:03):
They were so proud of what they'd done.
And the whole time I'm trying tolook interested, but not
judging.
I'm not judging, of course I'mnot judging.
I'm actually feeling fuckingshitty because I'm looking at my
middle-class house that I livein all by myself, with three
bedrooms and two baths, and Ihad this guy come over to my
place.
I just felt like I just rubbedin his face the fact that I have
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all this stuff and he doesn't.
And he was just so sweet, hecould have taken such advantage
of me and he didn't.
He didn't even let me buy himpizza.
One night, when he was stoppingto get Little Caesar's pizza
I've never even had LittleCaesar's Pizza before this.
That was the first time I'dever had it he was like nope,
nope, I got it, I'm buying youdinner.
I'm like okay.
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So yeah, this relationship onlylasted two weeks because it was
right around Christmas.
He invited me over to his place.
He was going to be cooking inthe kitchen, the kitchen in the
house and everybody who livedthere was going to be eating
Christmas dinner there and I hadnowhere to go.
I had nothing for Christmasgoing on.
So he invited me to come eatand I was in that house for that
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dinner with all those peoplewhich ended up being all men for
about 20 minutes because I wasstarting to feel super
uncomfortable.
Everybody was drinking and themen were leering at me and I was
making eye contact with him.
He's still in the kitchen doinghis thing and I can see that he
sees that I'm like what ishappening?
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I was starting to think I wasabout to get gang raped in this
house.
So I literally ate dinner,skipped dessert.
I made excuses and left.
I was like, oh, you know what II need to go like, walk my dogs
.
I forgot to walk my dogs beforeI came over, so I need to go.
And he never texted me again.
I never texted him again.
I never saw him again.
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So I don't know if he'd said toeverybody there oh, this hot
cougar that can't get enough ofme is coming over for dinner and
they're all like, oh, can'twait to meet her.
And I don't know if that's whathappens, but he seemed sweet.
He didn't seem like somebodywho would do that, but that's
exactly how the reactions ofthese men were.
So but yeah, if that hadn'thappened, I could imagine this
could have been a hobosexualsituation.
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But he was not manipulative, hewas very sweet.
But that's as close as I think.
I say that I came to ahobosexual situation.
Heidi (24:21):
Yeah
Jane (24:22):
maybe he was being sweet at first, I don't know.
I'm thinking,
Heidi (24:28):
yeah, that's kind of how they play it.
Jane (24:29):
My sister and I actually were propositioned by what I now
believe might have been apotential hobosexual situation,
where we were just being nicebut he was being like super
flirty and asking us all kindsof questions about do you have a
boyfriend and do you want aboyfriend, like kind of being
playful, but he was straight upunhoused.
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I'm going to say homeless.
I don't understand why this hasbecome a thing.
You're not supposed to say theydon't have a home.
Homeless, that's the definition.
Anyway, he was a homeless dude,I'm not being mean.
He did not have a home.
And he was living in portjefferson, long island, and I
was a sophomore in college, yes,and my sister was a junior in
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high school and we were hangingout and this guy just had like a
backpack with everything andthey always have a backpack and
we had a backpack witheverything
he owned.
Etienne (25:21):
Well, it's better than a shopping cart.
It's more handy.
Jane (25:24):
Yeah, that's true.
It was summer, so maybe hedidn't need a bunch of
accoutrement yet.
He just had a backpack and hishacky sack.
And he was doing hacky sacktricks.
He definitely looked like awhite boy working on dreads.
Etienne (25:38):
I love that, I used to love that.
Jane (25:39):
Totally come in yet okay
Heidi (25:40):
yeah
Jane (25:42):
And I at the time I was kind of a sucker for it
too.
I was into the grateful deadand I was a big hippie and this
guy was definitely like dirtyhippie, reeked of cheap
patchouli to try to cover up thebo and he was hacky sacking and
inviting anybody to hacky sackwith him.
He was walking by this fountainand my sister and I knew how to
hacky sack, like barely you knowwhat I mean?
Like we could hang a little bit, and he was just like hey,
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girls, you want to?
Like you know, and we're likeokay, you know.
So we're like hacky sackingwith this homeless dude and he
was really cute and we weretalking to him afterwards and he
starts talking about like hey,man, you know, I don't know if
you have any money, I'm likesuper hungry or if you'd have
any snacks or something.
And it wasn't dawning on me thewhole situation at the time, but
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I was just like, well, I'mgoing to make 13 bean soup
tonight, like, literally, that'swhat I was going to do is just
go back to my house.
I live with my dad, you know.
I was like we can go back to myhouse and make 13 bean soup if
you would like to join us.
This is my
Etienne (26:37):
oh, that's so sweet
Jane (26:40):
my 19-old self.
Yeah, well, he thought so tooat the time.
He just kept talking about howpretty my sister and I were and
how we looked so much alike andhe was probably thinking I'm
going to go have some 13-beansoup and then get down with
these sisters, because that'sthe direction that things took.
So I brought him back to myfather's house where I was
living in college, made 13 beansoup and talked to him the whole
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time.
As I'm making soup, it'sbecoming more and more apparent
he is totally homeless and he'sasking about like extra rooms in
the house, like how manybedrooms are in this house and I
was like, dude, this is justabout soup and hacky sacks.
Like, oh no, my sister and Imake an eye contact.
We have to figure out how toget him out of the house.
Etienne (27:20):
I was going to say how did he get there, did you?
Jane (27:22):
I brought him there like in my car.
Etienne (27:24):
Oh
Jane (27:25):
I took a homeless person in my car with my sister to come
have dinner.
Etienne (27:29):
Wow, your dad must have .
I have to hear if your dad satyou down after this whole thing.
Jane (27:35):
We did not tell him because he was not
Etienne (27:38):
oh he wasn't there
Jane (27:40):
no
Heidi (27:45):
tell him
Jane (27:48):
okay, and his name.
What he told us to call him waspig hair.
Etienne (27:50):
Fuck
Jane (27:50):
that's what he told us his name was
Etienne (27:51):
what the fuck
Jane (27:51):
like one word, he was very specific one word, and I was
like oh my god, what have I done?
Whathave I done I have my sister
here.
She's younger, I'm supposed tobe the big sister, I'm supposed
to protect us.
We're cooking for a homelessperson in our house, like
literally running a soup kitchen, like for one in our house
Heidi (28:12):
soup kitchen for one
Jane (28:14):
Soup kitchen for one.
So we had like a nice man.
He was really nice but it wasgetting creepy about like asking
situations, you know
Heidi (28:19):
yeah
Jane (28:20):
then he spent entirely too long in our bathroom.
It was downstairs, and I'mrealizing that he's using the
sink in there like a bathtubtype of thing and I was like,
okay, you know what, this iswhat they tell you supposed to
do.
I didn't know he was gonna dothat in there.
I just thought he was going tothe bathroom, or I would have
told him to go upstairs, maybe,but I didn't want to upstairs
unsupervised.
So now it's a thing the wholetime.
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He's super nice, but he'ssaying things that are like
slightly sexual about like
Etienne (28:43):
oh no, is he gonna try to threesome you guys?
Jane (28:46):
Like how close are we?
Like have you ever kissed eachother?
and I was like we gotta get thisguy out of the house
Etienne (28:50):
he could move in and have sex with two sisters, like
they can make me soup.
Like what is that?
that's like the best
Jane (28:56):
that's what he's thinking For that one day, pig hair was
living the dream.
But I did not take.
Heidi (29:05):
His fantasies were coming true.
Jane (29:07):
I didn't drive him back to Port Jefferson.
We lived in Stony Brook at thetime and Port Jefferson was the
end of the line for the LongIsland Railroad train station.
I took him to the Stony Brooktrain station and gave him train
fare to go back to PortJefferson Because I was like,
after that whole thing, you'renot alone in my car with me and
my sister now, and so that wasthe concession.
Etienne (29:25):
What age do you think he was, or did he tell you?
Jane (29:28):
He was definitely my age, or maybe a little bit older.
It wasn't like creepy old dude.
I guess that's why it didn'toccur to me.
He was like hot 19 year oldalso
Etienne (29:36):
Also.
Yeah.
Jane (29:41):
Also, like I, was hot.
Etienne (29:42):
You can categorize yourself as hot
Heidi (29:43):
but he's been on the streets for a while.
So he's way more
Jane (29:44):
and I ran into him many other times after that
Etienne (29:47):
what you saw him with the hacky sack like.
Heidi (29:49):
Oh really
Jane (29:49):
that was his shtick hacky sack by the fountain, port jeff.
And whenever I say I would justsay because I didn't want any
problems, I was just like heypighair and they just kept on
walking.
Etienne (29:58):
Did he like acknowledge you, like he knew who you were?
Jane (29:59):
Yes.
Oh, he totally knew who I was.
I didn't walk close enoughwhere I would get sucked into
conversation.
I was like I'm on to you now nomore.
You know, like I said, hewasn't mean, he didn't get any
kind of aggression.
I just think he was looking forlike a couch surfing situation
at the very least.
But when he saw my dad had anice house.
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There was a pool.
Etienne (30:23):
Oh God
Jane (30:23):
yeah, he was.
You know I'm making him 13 beansoup.
Etienne (30:24):
Was there actually an empty room that he could have
like, moved into?
Jane (30:26):
No, there were four bedrooms.
My stepbrother and my sisterand I each had our own bedrooms
and then my parents had theirbedroom.
So there were no free spaces,but there were couches.
There were multiple couches.
I think he would have beenhappy with the lounge chair out
by the pool which he made a jokeabout and I was like, oh God,
we got to go, you might show up.
Etienne (30:42):
Yeah, one morning you might show up and go outside and
there he is sleeping on thelounge chair.
Jane (30:46):
I mean yeah
Etienne (30:48):
wow, that's.
Yeah.
I think you had the closest,the most real hobosexual
experience possibly, like thatwould have totally turned into
Heidi (30:58):
yeah
Etienne (30:58):
If you weren't living with your dad, and you didn't
notice right away that there wassomething wrong.
Jane (31:02):
Oh, I would have been.
Yeah, the soup kitchen for onewould have turned into like
boarding house for one.
That could have happened to meif I was single in an apartment.
Heidi (31:10):
But it goes to show you our society, these people that
are hustling just for a roofover their head, and the victims
that they target.
And why can't we just houseeverybody, like there's enough
Etienne (31:23):
I do have a question about the soup, though.
Are there actually 13 differentbeans in the soup, like, is that
why it's called 13-bean soup,or are there just 13 beans total
and that's why it's called that?
Jane (31:34):
No, it's literally 13 different kinds of beans.
Etienne (31:36):
I didn't even know there were 13 different kinds of
beans.
Heidi (31:39):
Yeah, I didn't either.
Jane (31:41):
It was the bag at the grocery store.
It says 13 bean soup and it haslike a little packet of
seasoning in it.
They probably still sell it.
And you soak the beansovernight, yeah, and then you
boil the beans and you puttomatoes in.
It's very good.
I would add potatoes, and itwas delicious.
Etienne (31:57):
It was gourmet soup, gourmet homeless person soup
Jane (32:00):
he loved it.
He asked if he could take somewith him and I was like I don't
know how I could do that for you
Heidi (32:06):
yeah
Jane (32:07):
safely
Etienne (32:07):
not the time of disposable tupperware that you
don't give a shit about.
Maybe back in the day
Jane (32:11):
yeah, no, we didn't have that in my house and I didn't
have a thermos that I could sendhim with
Etienne (32:15):
here, take this thermos .
No, no, thermos is whereeverything was expensive.
Heidi (32:20):
Yes
Etienne (32:21):
you bought things for life back then.
You didn't just throw awayeverything.
Jane (32:24):
This is true.
Heidi (32:25):
There was no Rubbermaid.
Etienne (32:27):
Oh my God
Jane (32:28):
God, pig hair.
Sorry, I literally hadn'tthought of that until we said we
were
Etienne (32:34):
Did this just come up?
Jane (32:35):
No, no, no.
I thought about it last nightwhen I was like I don't think I
had it but I honestly I hadforgotten about, like just how
involved it was with the soupand everything, because I hadn't
thought about it in a long time.
He didn't occupy space in mybrain.
But I wonder if my sister wouldbe occupy space in his brain.
I wonder if he still remembersus and I hope he's doing well.
Etienne (32:56):
Do you think your sister remembers him
Jane (32:58):
oh my gosh.
I'll text her right now.
I'll be like do you remember
Etienne (33:04):
do you remember
Jane (33:05):
She probably does, because she was a sucker for that hot
like white boy working on dreadslook too back in the day
Heidi (33:11):
yeah, and being a high schooler
Etienne (33:14):
I think it looked great .
I sat behind a guy in a theateronce who had dreads like that
and they were real, because theair conditioning was blowing
from in front of him back towhere I was sitting behind him
and those dreads smelled like ithadn't been washed in a long
time, and that's when I realizedthose dreads look nice but they
don't smell so good.
Heidi (33:34):
Yeah yeah, no thanks
Etienne (33:37):
or at least that one guy's dreads didn't smell good.
Heidi (33:39):
Yeah, I'm sure she was excited about an older guy
giving her attention to being ateenager
Etienne (33:46):
Yeah, seriously
Jane (33:47):
yes
Etienne (33:47):
I mean he was trying to get in there.
Heidi (33:49):
Mm-hmm
Etienne (33:51):
I'll just have a little party.
Heidi (33:53):
Mm-hmm
Etienne (33:55):
After the 13 bean soup.
Jane (33:57):
Oh man
Etienne (34:00):
so your dad never knew about this?
Jane (34:02):
No, no
Etienne (34:03):
oh god, I wonder what he would say today about this.
Jane (34:05):
I should bring it up.
Well, because they alreadycalled me like the wild child,
because I was already going outto raves and like not coming
back until sometime the next dayand like getting on buses to go
to raves in the middle offields in vermont.
They were just like you're socrazy
Etienne (34:18):
that sounds scary.
Jane (34:19):
It was scary for them, but they let me do it, because they
were like if you were living oncampus somewhere, we would have
no idea what you were doing.
So they were actually very.
they were terrified, but theylet me do what I want, because
that was the deal.
I'm like I'll go to thiscollege near you so you can pay
cheaper tuition, but the deal isI get to do whatever I want.
Heidi (34:39):
Yeah, you're an adult now and in college you want to
experience life
Jane (34:44):
Yeah, obviously, making poor decisions,
Etienne (34:46):
but at least you figured it out quickly.
Heidi (34:47):
Yeah
Etienne (34:48):
the decisions might have been poor, but at least
when you made them and theyweren't the best- you learned
you course corrected yeah.
You fixed the problem.
Heidi (34:57):
It's all growing.
Etienne (35:04):
It's a good life lesson
Jane (35:05):
and I hope that all of the hobosexuals everywhere are just
doing better.
I hope they're housed.
I think that got a serious note.
We're always talking abouttrying to leave the world better
than we found it, and I thinkthat helping the homeless in
real and tangible ways is reallyimportant, but also just having
boundaries so that you're doingit in a way where you stay safe
too, we can solve this problemwith compassion while also
retaining our own boundaries andsafety.
(35:26):
So soup kitchens for all, notjust soup kitchens for one.
Heidi (35:30):
Yeah Well, and just think of the amount of energy and
effort they could focus intobetter things like
entrepreneurship or inventions,instead of trying to use all
their energy and hustle intofinding their next meal, finding
where they're going to behoused that night.
If they could focus all thatenergy towards something better
(35:52):
that's going to help society.
Seriously, can we just houseand feed everybody?
There's enough.
And that's our show.
You've been listening to theWomen Are Plotting.
If you have a story you'd liketo share or have any comments,
we'd love to hear from you.
Email us at info@thewomenareplottingcom, and, of
(36:13):
course, you can find us on allthe socials.
Thanks and until next time.
Be safe and be excellent toeach other.
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