October 3, 2025 • 40 mins
Slip, slop, slap… or maybe just slip into this episode first. We’re taking a good hard look at sunscreen, sun exposure, and what "sun safety" really means.
From the hidden nasties in your SPF to the feel-good benefits of soaking up some rays, we’re questioning the mainstream narrative and chatting through some eye-opening alternatives. There’s a bit of history, a bit of science, and a whole lot of real-life stories — including homemade sunscreen experiments, black salve experiences, and how sound therapy might play a role in cancer care.
It’s sun safety… but not as you know it.
In this episode:
- Sunscreen: friend or foe?
- Why sunglasses might be messing with your brain
- Can diet protect you from sun damage?
- The truth about Vitamin D
- Natural SPF options and DIY solutions
- Stories from the frontlines of skin cancer and alternative treatments
- Is the Cancer Council getting it wrong?
- How complementary therapies can work alongside conventional care
Whether you're a sun worshipper or shade dweller, this chat will get you thinking twice before you slap on the SPF 50.
00:00 Introduction and Opening Remarks
00:08 The Importance of Sunscreen
02:09 Ingredients in Sunscreen
02:50 Natural Sunlight vs. Sunscreen
04:18 The Role of Sunglasses
06:27 Historical Perspectives on Sun Exposure
07:00 Diet and Sun Protection
09:13 Personal Experiences and Testimonials
12:31 Homemade Sunscreen Solutions
17:21 Final Thoughts on Sunscreen and Sun Exposure
19:21 Personal Experiences with Sunscreen
19:25 Natural SPF Ingredients
19:59 Common Sense and Sunscreen Use
21:15 Questioning Cancer Council's Sunscreen
23:03 Black Salve and Skin Cancer
25:37 Personal Stories of Skin Cancer
29:29 Theories on Cancer and Biopsies
34:56 Complementary Medicine and Sound Therapy
38:45 Conclusion and Future Plans
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MIC1 (00:00):
We're on.
All right, Lauren, take it away.
MIC2 (00:04):
Me again.
sorry.
Oh, I just introduced the lastone.
This one I wanted to talk aboutbecause we are coming into
summer and I've got a little bitto say about sunscreen.
Lost my train of thought.
Because the problem is havethese little chats before we
start recording and we say allthis stuff and then we get on
(00:24):
and then we press record.
We're like, ah, what did I say?
Oh,
MIC1 (00:27):
Oh, we just need to
MIC2 (00:28):
I don't
MIC1 (00:28):
24 7.
MIC2 (00:29):
can't be bothered repeating myself, but no one
heard that.
MIC3 (00:32):
so.
Yeah.
MIC2 (00:34):
Really?
Okay, so the sun, right?
The sun, that's.
Yep.
MIC1 (00:40):
yep.
MIC2 (00:40):
The sun that's been
MIC3 (00:41):
here since
MIC2 (00:42):
the dawn of time that's been here since day dot.
However you believe Day Dotbegan the sun's been here,
hasn't it?
Yes.
Agreed.
Yes.
How long has sunscreen beenhere?
Okay.
MIC1 (00:54):
I think
MIC2 (00:57):
Is there more sunscreens available now than ever before?
Yes
MIC3 (01:00):
Oh, it's unbelievable.
MIC2 (01:01):
Is there more cases of skin cancer now than ever
before?
Yes.
MIC1 (01:05):
As they say, correlation doesn't equal causation, but we
can use our common sense.
MIC2 (01:10):
So is it linked A little bit sunscreen and skin cancer
MIC1 (01:15):
my opinion, a thousand percent.
MIC2 (01:16):
I'm not gonna come out and make that claim by any means,
and I have had some things cutoutta my body that I have been
told were cancerous or about toturn I have been scared of
getting sunburnt.
I have been wearing sunscreen upuntil the last couple of years.
MIC3 (01:32):
We as youngsters, slips slop slap.
That was adverts all over thetv.
What was the first thing beforeyou went outside?
Your parents say, put somesunscreen and a hat on.
MIC2 (01:41):
Yeah.
MIC1 (01:42):
But as far as, and that's probably another episode
altogether cancema, black salve.
That's,
MIC2 (01:47):
oh, we'll talk about that.
But
MIC1 (01:49):
yeah.
Bring we'll circle back to
MIC2 (01:51):
that.
Yeah.
So when we were just sittinghere before I thought, why are
we so fearful of this natural,We can't exist without the sun.
It's responsible for all formsof life.
But we are all fearing it.
We are getting out of it.
We are covering up.
We don't want it.
But just have a listen to this.
I've just Googled what are theingredients in common
(02:13):
sunscreens.
I'm not gonna pronounce themproperly, but here we go.
Homo Octo chlorine, octal sate,
MIC1 (02:22):
Solicitate,
MIC2 (02:24):
methyl X.
You could probably say this.
Meso x diz.
I don't have my glasses.
Meth.
Di
MIC1 (02:30):
di benzo methane.
MIC2 (02:32):
Benzone.
Bemo to ol bemo.
MIC1 (02:36):
olol.
MIC2 (02:38):
Ol, what's this one?
Ethanol x Trione
MIC1 (02:41):
Ethel.
Heil Trione.
MIC2 (02:42):
She can say it all.
I can't even say it.
That makes me not want to putthat in my body because I can't
even say it.
So people who, not I don't wannabe crazy here, but if you are
fearful of the natural sunlight.
But you are not scared to slapall this over your body because
(03:03):
you would know better than me,Tina, but isn't our skin what we
put in our skin just absorbsstraight into our bloodstream,
right?
MIC1 (03:11):
A certain percentage of it, yeah.
It's the largest organ.
That's why nicotine patcheswork.
that's why medication that, theyuse patches for medication
because your skin absorbs it.
So it's not a,
MIC2 (03:22):
so it's not much different than eating it.
MIC1 (03:25):
This is, my, whole theory of my business, if you can't eat
it, don't put it on your skin.
MIC2 (03:29):
If I went and got all these things and mix them up
into a little potion and fed itto people, would they comply?
Would they eat it?
MIC1 (03:35):
They wouldn't eat it.
And if you fed it to your child,you'd probably go to jail.
for poisoning them, the sun
MIC2 (03:41):
is the scary
MIC3 (03:43):
Yeah.
Yep.
MIC2 (03:44):
Yeah, that was just what I was chatting about, but I don't
wanna sound crazy
MIC3 (03:47):
And what does that do that, what does that block?
Okay, that blocks UV rays, whichtriggered the skin to make
vitamin D, which is crucial forbone health immunity and mood.
Wearing sunglasses also blocksout vitamin D production.
And what does that do also?
So the morning sun.
Is essential for regulatingcircadian rhythm.
(04:10):
So direct sun from the ambientlight helps set your internal
clock.
MIC1 (04:18):
Just something on this, on the sunglasses, right?
So I stopped wearing'em a littlewhile ago and I did speak about
this quite a few years ago, butthen kept wearing sunglasses.
But more and more studies havecome out and or people talking
about it.
Your eyes.
Your eyes detect the amount ofUV light in the sky, and then
(04:39):
sends a signal to your brain,which then triggers the amount
of melanin that your skinproduces.
The melanin is the protectivepart of your skin.
So you don't get burn, you don'tget skin damage, you don't get
skin cancers.
So if you walk out withsunglasses on you, you're
getting a false reading.
Your brain is thinking that it'sthe uvs not as high.
(05:00):
So you're not producing enoughmelanin to protect your skin.
MIC2 (05:03):
That's so interesting.
MIC3 (05:05):
and
MIC2 (05:05):
because sunglasses are
MIC3 (05:06):
seriously, how long have sunglasses been around for?
Too
MIC2 (05:09):
fashion statement.
MIC3 (05:10):
God.
Or whatever you believe in.
That started all of this.
We didn't get born withsunglasses on, we got born with
eyes on our head and a in thesky.
So obviously there's reasons forthat.
Like everything you
MIC1 (05:22):
don't see birds flying around with little sun
sunglasses on, but also, thesun, we every form of life on
the planet requires the sun.
How is that the enemy?
MIC2 (05:33):
That's right.
Like our plants like, like Igrow my own veggies.
I can't grow vegetables withoutsun.
I've have to move my vegetablegarden beds into sunnier spots
so that my tomatoes can thrive.
That is no different to
MIC1 (05:48):
But also if you, any new chooks, don't eat the
vegetables.
They don't produce the eggs,which then you have, it's
everything requires the sun.
MIC2 (05:55):
we are fearing the sun.
We are telling people, get outof the sun.
It will kill you.
MIC1 (05:59):
It makes me question whether the whole never look at
the sun is a load of
MIC3 (06:05):
shit sun.
Well, now that they're sayingthat we are, we should look at
the sun.
MIC1 (06:09):
Right.
MIC3 (06:10):
to a degree that those suns rays are, our eyes are
actually designed to take those
MIC1 (06:16):
Do you know there's some people sun bake their butthole
MIC3 (06:19):
Yeah.
I did I send you that the otherday?
Yeah.
No, but I, oh no.
Look that
MIC1 (06:23):
We don't do that.
No.
putting
MIC2 (06:25):
What else used to happen?
That, if you were in hospital oryou had surgery or you'd been
really ill, they would actuallywheel you up to the, very top
floor of the hospital right upthe top and put you in the sun.
The
MIC1 (06:37):
solariums
MIC2 (06:38):
That was part of your healing.
And they still have sometimeswhen you go up the very top of
the old hospitals, maybe old RAHThe top floor of the hospital
where you park.
In the old days, that's wherethey would take you up there and
put you out in the sun.
MIC1 (06:53):
But see, some people
MIC2 (06:54):
there's so many benefits,
MIC1 (06:55):
argue that, oh, they learned that the sun causes
cancer and that's why they don'tdo it anymore.
But really happened is our foodhas changed so much.
So we are eating rancid seedoils.
We're not eating good healthyfats.
We are not getting the right.
Signals to our brain to, toproduce enough melanin.
Um, and we are also not gettingenough cholesterol, so we need
(07:18):
the cholesterol for the sunlightto turn to create vitamin D,
right?
So it's a two part process.
You can't go out in the sun ifyou don't have enough
cholesterol in your diet.
And then you've got everyone onstatins
MIC2 (07:32):
every second person over the age of 50 or 60 is taking
cholesterol tablets.
MIC3 (07:37):
That's right.
So it creates an avalanche ofhealth problems.
Exactly.
Water also produces thesunlight, produces serotonin and
a lot of depressed people outthere.
Depressed because,
MIC2 (07:49):
getting sun.
Oh.
MIC1 (07:50):
two week lockdown, you, you have to stay in
MIC3 (07:52):
your home.
Absolutely.
You
MIC1 (07:53):
hour out in the sun.
Is this about health
MIC3 (07:56):
And it does lack of sun.
They even say lack of exposureto sunlight is heavily linked to
depression and mental health
MIC1 (08:05):
They call it sads Sun.
Sun avoidant.
What?
No, what's the disease?
Oh, it's like the depression,sun avoidance, depression
syndrome or something like that.
It's basically.
It's SADS.
Yeah.
It's what term it and it'speople who
MIC3 (08:18):
Hermit inside, including?
I've been through that.
You just don't wanna come outyour room.
You don't
MIC1 (08:23):
it's cold and yucky, people think, oh, just stay
inside.
But who cares if it's raining?
Get an umbrella.
Yeah.
Put a jacket on for God's sakes.
MIC3 (08:33):
And what do people always feel better doing?
Like you said, Lauren, probablynot even just, just getting
outside as, as a sick patient inhospital, of course you wanna
get out and have some sunlight.
Yeah.
And fresh air and you're gonnafeel better.
Yeah.
You're not gonna go out thereand they go, I feel worse
MIC2 (08:49):
And look, it does burn you.
And I don't wanna get sunburnt.
And it also,
MIC1 (08:54):
it will burn you if you are, like, if you number one,
don't have enough cholesterol.
Yeah.
Number two are wearingsunglasses.
Yeah.
And number three, maybe don't goout at 1230 when the UV is peak.
Maybe, but
MIC2 (09:07):
up with
MIC1 (09:08):
look at
MIC2 (09:08):
we went to Okay to
MIC1 (09:09):
Sun bakes all the time.
Yeah.
MIC3 (09:10):
Yeah.
Yeah.
MIC2 (09:10):
We went to the beach at your house last summer and it
was so hot.
But I was too scared to wearsunscreen, so I just wore like a
long sleeve kind of cottonshirt, When I was in Yeah,
that's right.
Or wear your big.
Wide brim hat when it's themiddle of the day and it's full
sun.
Yeah.
MIC1 (09:27):
Yeah.
Even a sheep will sit under thetree in the heat of the
MIC3 (09:29):
I have to
MIC2 (09:30):
sensible about it.
Find some shade.
You don't wanna get so sunburnt
MIC3 (09:34):
have to say things like that.
Even as a young person though,and I don't know if this is my.
English Irish blood in me.
I actually physically don't liketoo much heat or sun on me.
I always go for the shade.
I love the sun, I love beingoutside, but I can't, even, when
we were young, everyone would goout and sun bake.
(09:55):
I literally could be fiveminutes and I'm like searching
for the shade.
MIC1 (09:59):
Yeah.
I'm a bit like that
MIC3 (10:01):
I don't really, yeah, I'll slap on the fake tan, which is
so good for you.
'cause there's no chemicals in
MIC1 (10:08):
talk about the chemicals in fake turn
MIC3 (10:11):
know.
MIC2 (10:11):
saying we're perfect.
We're
MIC3 (10:12):
something.
See, we're not, yeah yeah, sowhat I'm saying is I find out,
but I'm actually trying to trainmyself to be in the sunlight a
bit more.
So I'm like, all right, I'll goout for 10, 15 minutes.
Again, I'm not gonna go sit outthere in like 42 degree heat and
burn the living crap outtamyself, but I am, I'm noticing
when I go out and I do get somedirect sunlight on my skin.
(10:36):
Oh, do you feel a lot
MIC2 (10:37):
better?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Lycopene
MIC1 (10:39):
is very
MIC3 (10:39):
for your mental health.
MIC1 (10:41):
To eat.
So tomatoes, so think aboutItalians.
It, they eat a lot of tomatoes.
Yeah.
They have olive skin, they havea lot of sun exposure.
Lycopene in tomatoes is veryprotective
MIC2 (10:53):
and interesting.
That tomato is a summer fruitthat harvests in the summer.
So it's almost again.
Yeah.
It's always been the case.
We have been provided witheverything we need in nature.
That's exactly right.
But those ingredients that Icouldn't even pronounce, we are
gonna put that all over us tokeep us safe
MIC3 (11:10):
and our children.
MIC2 (11:11):
Let's eat a whole heap of tomatoes.
MIC3 (11:13):
And
MIC1 (11:13):
you say you go out in the sun, right?
A little experiment.
You've got one person that hasno sunglasses, no sunscreen.
They've eaten an avocado and anegg and their cholesterol levels
are on the higher end, nomedication.
And they had a bloody tomatopasta the night before.
MIC2 (11:34):
Probably not gonna get too burnt.
MIC1 (11:36):
Not gonna get as burnt as the person who's wearing it.
Highly toxic sunscreensunglasses, eating deep fried
chips from the fish and chipshop,
MIC2 (11:47):
Yeah, a bag of Doritos and then they go in, have a swim,
come out.
Oh, need to reapply.
go in, have a swim, come out,need to reapply.
That's
MIC1 (11:54):
a studied that that's a actual research paper.
Like they've studied it andproven.
That certain chemicals in thesunscreen reacts with
MIC2 (12:01):
chlorine and it is
MIC1 (12:02):
very damaging.
And it's a published study, sohow the hell are they still
selling it on a fricking shelfis beyond me
MIC2 (12:09):
It is crazy
MIC3 (12:09):
And in a lot of parents defense and I did when my kids
were young.
If you're sending your kids offto school or out for an outing,
of course you're gonna wannaprotect them.
You don't want them to come backlike a lobster with yeah.
Burns.
And a lot of people, again,aren't educated.
They're just thinking they'redoing the right thing.
And there's nothing wrong withthat.
And we are not bagging thosepeople.
(12:31):
And there's, it is a, I wouldprobably more now knowing what I
know, choose to put a longsleeve top on them, a hat.
Absolutely Tina's.
Tina's her own sunscreen.
Tina's own.
Yeah.
She makes her own sunscreen.
So it which is absolutely, youcould eat it.
It's so healthy.
But yeah, so I would choosesomething that's very natural
(12:52):
that doesn't have all thenasties in it
MIC1 (12:54):
if you have to.
I wouldn't promote.
My sunscreen just for the sakeof wearing a sunscreen.
Yeah.
Yeah.
One of the reasons I come upwith it is because my daughter
was going to kindy at the time,back when you could go to kindy
when you weren't jabbed andthat, the old rules of you can't
go outside.
Yeah.
You've got a slip slop slap.
And there was no way in hellthat she was gonna be putting
(13:16):
all those chemicals on.
So I created a zinc basedsunscreen, which is reef safe.
'cause that's a whole notherissue
MIC2 (13:23):
Oh, of course.
Oh, the fish are dying
MIC1 (13:25):
Besides the algal bloom, besides that, you know, you've
got the whole issue of sunscreenand, and killing reefs.
So,
MIC3 (13:32):
That's scientifically proven as well.
Absolutely.
People.
We don't talk out our,
MIC2 (13:37):
we don't, but last year we put a swimming pool in at our
house.
I don't want people coming to myhouse and swimming in my pool if
they've.
Covered themselves in sunscreen.
'cause I don't want all thosechemicals No.
In the water.
It's hard enough to keep a poolsafe with the water to swim in.
But if everybody's gonna jump inmy pool with all their different
brands of sunscreen and poisonmy water with all those
(14:00):
chemicals.
Sorry.
MIC1 (14:01):
That's right.
MIC2 (14:02):
Don't want you there.
I'll stock up on Tina Zinc.
MIC3 (14:05):
Yeah.
And just hand it out as I comethrough the
MIC2 (14:07):
sleeve rashy.
Yeah, but I don't want thesunscreen in the pool.
MIC1 (14:11):
I'm just reading a small.
Article here and it's based onthe research that I just
mentioned, and it says, chemicalsunscreen coming into contact
with chlorine have been shown tobreak down and form compounds
that can be extremely harmful.
These byproducts known aschlorinated organ organic
compounds have been linked to arange of health issues including
(14:32):
hormone disruption and evencancer.
MIC2 (14:35):
Ah,
MIC1 (14:36):
It's studied, it's research.
You're not gonna hear about iton the Channel seven news guys.
You gotta go and seek out your
MIC3 (14:43):
information.
Yeah, absolutely.
Jump
MIC1 (14:44):
on, not Google.
Google Scholar.
Yeah.
Read Google Scholar
MIC3 (14:48):
everything that's sold in the mainstream shops has, or,
and medication, every,everything.
If you.
Read into all the ingredients,although most of'em have a
warning, a health warning.
Of
MIC1 (15:01):
course they do, but we, most people will ignore
MIC2 (15:05):
of
MIC3 (15:05):
But who reads it?
Who reads the packaging?
Unless you are a bit more, ontothat sort of thing or awakened
to those things, we just, it'sjust become so in ground that,
that.
These things are, look, I nevereven used to think about this
years and
MIC2 (15:23):
Oh,
MIC3 (15:23):
ago.
I used to think about healthyeating and that sort of stuff,
and obviously I didn't want mykids to have fizzy drink and
heaps of sugar and I, I knew.
A lot about the sugar and allthat sort of stuff.
Had no idea about sunscreen backthen because sunscreen was being
a responsible parent and puttingthat all over your child to
protect them was being aresponsible
MIC2 (15:44):
look at the back and read all the ingredients and I don't
think I realized that you've putthings on your skin and it gets
absorbed in.
I just don't think I thoughtabout that stuff.
We had young kids.
We were busy.
We were just trying to do thebest we could.
Yeah.
I really wish I could have mytime over.
I know you don't wanna promoteyour sunscreen, but I would like
to know what's in it.
'cause I think zinc is the mainingredient.
MIC1 (16:05):
Yeah.
It's 20%
MIC2 (16:06):
zinc.
Yeah.
And when we were kids, The onlything my parents would do to us
when we would go to the beach isget some zinc.
Yeah.
And put it on our nose.
'cause no one wanted to walkaround with a bright red nose.
Like Rudolph.
Yeah.
So you'd put a bit of zinc onyou, but then what would happen
is you'd be rosy everywhere.
And
MIC1 (16:20):
then Yeah, and then a white nose.
But
MIC3 (16:21):
nose
MIC2 (16:22):
That says to me that obviously zinc must do
something.
Zinc is
MIC1 (16:27):
a physical protectant.
So
MIC2 (16:28):
So if I had to wear sunscreen, it's gonna be the one
you make.
MIC1 (16:31):
Yeah.
The chemicals in sunscreenthey're a chemical filter, so
they're literally absorbing therays and
MIC2 (16:38):
holding on your skin.
MIC1 (16:39):
Zinc is a physical, not a chemical, it's a physical
barrier.
So it actually blocks absorptiondirectly.
But this, tell the truth.
Shame devil.
My daughter has never usedanything but my sunscreen so
she's 13?
No, she's Irish.
She's half Irish.
MIC2 (16:56):
she, yeah.
Yeah.
See she should be red raw.
Yeah.
MIC1 (16:59):
she doesn't burn.
MIC2 (17:00):
And I, and this is
MIC1 (17:01):
And she doesn't eat a hundred percent healthy.
She's 13.
They eat shit.
MIC2 (17:04):
What are we eating?
We lived off of hot chips andchocolate
MIC1 (17:07):
She, she was always whinging that we are an
MIC2 (17:09):
the right of passage when you're a teenager, I think.
Yeah.
MIC1 (17:11):
always whinging.
We're an ingredient household,when they're outside the house,
MIC2 (17:15):
but this is, I'm not lying here.
This is actual true and I'llprove it to anyone somehow.
Since I discovered how badsunscreen is and stopped wearing
it, I honestly have not beensunburnt.
I have not been sunburnt for acouple of years now, and I
always used to get sunburnt.
I, the only difference I've doneis stopped using sunscreen.
MIC1 (17:34):
I've shown you the photo from one of my customers.
Womad and she had Shouldn'tprobably say the name of the
sunscreen,
MIC2 (17:43):
i'll blurt it out bb we edit
MIC1 (17:45):
Anyway she had the last of that and she squirted it on one
leg and rubbed it in.
And we can put this up on ourInstagram and
MIC2 (17:53):
yes.
actually
MIC1 (17:53):
show what it is and, she ran out.
So she come to my stool at Womadand bought my sunscreen and put
that on her other leg.
And the one that she had thestore bought bottle one.
Yeah.
Was red raw, like a lobster.
And the one that she put mine onwas not burnt at all.
Nothing.
MIC3 (18:11):
There you
MIC2 (18:11):
go.
And didn't we have an experiencerecently in Bali where you
didn't wear sunglasses one dayand you didn't get burnt and
then you did wear sunglasses thenext and you did get a little
bit pinkish.
I
MIC1 (18:22):
Did.
MIC2 (18:22):
Yeah.
I remember.
I saw that with my own eyes.
Yeah.
MIC3 (18:26):
Again, because the sun's rays goes into your body and.
Is a natural me?
What is that?
Melanin.
Melanin, yeah.
MIC1 (18:34):
yeah.
So your brain's triggering theamount of melanin that you need
to
MIC3 (18:37):
Juice.
So it's doing its thing.
Your body, the human body isincredible, amazing.
And once you learn more aboutit, obviously I know hardly
anything about
MIC2 (18:47):
are still learning every day, aren't we?
MIC3 (18:49):
yeah, it's incredible.
All the different, it's, we'dmade so intricately that
everything has, its, itsfunction and yeah, we are
designed to do this because weweren't.
Again, born with a sunscreen anda pair of suns in our hand.
Here you go.
Good luck.
MIC1 (19:08):
do need to say I, I strongly recommend I shouldn't
say that doesn't wear it, goesout, gets burnt and sues me, but
MIC2 (19:16):
I know,
MIC1 (19:16):
I like,
MIC2 (19:17):
I want to be
MIC3 (19:17):
again, it's we are not telling people what to do.
We are just
MIC1 (19:20):
is
MIC3 (19:21):
talking we
MIC2 (19:21):
could be wrong.
We're going on our own personalexperience.
Exactly.
We could be
MIC1 (19:25):
And my sunscreen has not been tested by the TGA And I
state that on the thing, so Ican't state an SPF.
All I can say is that it's 20%zinc.
Yeah.
Do your own research.
Yeah.
Have a look at what 20% zincdoes, but there's other oils in
there too.
So shea butter has a natural SPFof four red raspberry seed oil
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has a natural SPF of up to 28.
MIC2 (19:48):
And you could eat it
MIC1 (19:49):
And you could eat it.
Exactly.
MIC2 (19:50):
you ate that stuff that I read out earlier, you would be
very sick.
This is what I love about yourskincare.
If you can't eat it.
Then don't put it on your skin.
MIC1 (19:59):
But I also wanna say we personally don't use sunscreen
every day.
Yeah.
There are very specific timesthat I'll use it.
So we're about to go on a 10 daycamp trip.
I will take the sunscreen.
So if we go for a hike in themiddle of the day and the sun
searing, yeah, I'll probably putsome in the back of my neck
that's exposed.
Or I'll just probably wear acollared shirt and lift it up
and have a hat.
More likely.
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Yeah.
But I will take
MIC3 (20:21):
it.
But again, that's also manythousands, years ago, whatever,
we lived in caves, you don't goand sit out in the sun for four
hours and burn yourself to Yeah.
You go in the cave, you go underthe tree, you go under the
shade.
You just go out and you get.
Physical sunlight
MIC1 (20:38):
indigenous cultures always rest in the middle heat of the
day.
They're not out
MIC3 (20:41):
common sense.
It's common sense.
So I don't want people to startgoing, oh, they're saying don't
use sunscreen.
And then, I went out all day andgot absolutely fried.
Come on.
MIC2 (20:51):
Like everything we talk about comes down to common
sense, use your
MIC3 (20:54):
it
MIC2 (20:54):
Common sense,
MIC1 (20:55):
unfortunately.
Common sense.
Isn't that common?
MIC2 (20:57):
I'm not sure if I should say this, but we'll see.
I think, or maybe I said
MIC3 (21:00):
and it's getting more uncommon.
I
MIC1 (21:02):
getting worse.
MIC3 (21:02):
Yeah.
They're unreal.
They're smart because theylisten to us.
MIC2 (21:07):
Oh, I dunno about that.
I can't remember if I said thiswhen we were recording or before
we started recording, so I'llcut it out if I've already said
it.
When you donate to the cancercouncil
MIC3 (21:18):
this is very
MIC2 (21:19):
interesting is some of that money going to produce that
cancer council brand?
I'm for saying sunscreen.
Are they making a,
MIC1 (21:27):
question.
You're not making a statement.
You just make asking
MIC2 (21:30):
then the more, oh, The more we use the sunscreen, the
more we get the skin and is itgoing round and round in a
circle?
That's a very bold I'm notclaiming anything.
MIC1 (21:43):
you're only asking
MIC3 (21:44):
You're asking questions and that's what we're supposed
to be doing.
I'm just
MIC1 (21:48):
We're allowed to, we sometimes I
MIC2 (21:49):
think
MIC1 (21:50):
says we're not allowed?
MIC2 (21:50):
that question, I wish I didn't think things like this.
My life would be a whole lot
MIC3 (21:54):
Yeah.
But anything that affects us andhumanity, we, we can
MIC2 (21:59):
about where the money's
MIC3 (22:00):
going, who's the boss of us?
I love that quote.
And they say, when I was born,on this world who?
Could suddenly be the boss of meand tell me what I'm supposed to
do, what job I'm supposed tohave, how much money I can
MIC2 (22:13):
I have to put on my
MIC3 (22:14):
Yeah, what I have to put on my skin, what I have to
inject into my body, what I caneat, what like, we're all just
born onto this planet.
Why there who?
Why are these people thinkingthat they're our fucking boss?
MIC2 (22:27):
Who are these people?
MIC1 (22:28):
Who are these people anyway?
If you do happen to get skincancer because you've got low
cholesterol or you are noteating properly and you, or
you're out in the middle of theday, or you haven't.
Used your common sense?
Or you have a genetic,
MIC2 (22:41):
I'm not, we dunno for
MIC1 (22:43):
Or you have a genetic disposition Skin cancers or I've
had them like, if
MIC3 (22:48):
If you like me and just a pussy and hates this harsh sun
beating on me.
'cause it,
MIC1 (22:53):
No, but
MIC3 (22:53):
just feel like Im End
MIC1 (22:54):
up, if you end up with skin
MIC2 (22:56):
cancer, oh, are you
MIC3 (22:58):
Yeah.
Sorry.
We can I get where you're at?
Yeah.
MIC1 (23:00):
Ah,
MIC2 (23:01):
no.
Do it.
Can I look.
We're Ready.
Okay, well, we're already introuble
MIC1 (23:03):
If you Google Black South or caner, you'll be told how
awful it right?
How it can maim and scar and itdoesn't get rid of cancer, and
all sorts of scary things thatyou are like, I'm never putting
this on my skin.
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No way in hell.
Okay.
Me
MIC3 (23:27):
to mention isn't, haven't they tried to or have banned it?
MIC1 (23:30):
Oh, it is banned.
It's banned in this country.
It comes in.
MIC3 (23:32):
So why
MIC1 (23:34):
I won't even tell.
MIC2 (23:34):
You have to buy it on the
MIC1 (23:36):
a hundred percent banned.
You have to get it from theblack marker.
I can't tell you where,
MIC2 (23:40):
Oh, it's like the milk.
MIC3 (23:41):
that or
MIC1 (23:42):
it's like raw milk.
Raw
MIC2 (23:42):
milk can't tell you where, how, when,
MIC1 (23:45):
you're gonna have to figure that out for yourself,
but just know that.
Yeah.
Anyway,
MIC2 (23:49):
Or speak to one of the.
TLC girls.
MIC1 (23:52):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Reach out privately and we'll bechecking your digital Id make
sure you're not from thegovernment anyway.
I'd never heard of this thing,right?
So I used to work in my dad'soffice.
There was a guy that worked inthe same complex who become
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friends with dad anyway, he hadskin cancer on his nose and he
got it cut away and it come backand he got it cut away and it
come back.
And this went on for about threeyears.
In the very beginning of likehis diagnosis, his first cancer,
he'd come across this blacksalve.
and the specialist at Flinderssaid, oh, don't waste your
(24:35):
money.
It was like$40
MIC2 (24:36):
to get.
MIC1 (24:37):
Right.
Don't waste your money.
Never touched Three years later,he's literally missing a third
of his face.
like the poor guy.
He's basically, his face isgone.
The doctor's told him to sell upeverything.
Buy a boat, swim out, sail offinto the sunset.
You are not making it right.
Last ditch effort orders hiscancemer.
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He's still here with us
MIC2 (24:58):
today.
Aw,
MIC1 (24:59):
It worked.
Amazing.
What happens?
What happened to him?
I can only say what happened tohim and what's happened to us
personally.
It If it's cancer, it stings andimmediately feels tingly, and
it's quite stingy.
If it's not cancer, if it's justsome kind of spot, you'll feel
nothing at all.
And I've tried it on both,right?
MIC2 (25:21):
Oh, so again, you've got nothing to lose.
MIC1 (25:23):
You've got nothing to lose.
But if you Google it, they'lltell you've got everything to
lose.
Everything to lose it.
Who knows if that's, actualstory.
I don't know.
Like maybe it's happened tosomeone who knows.
Can't say not them.
Anyway, we've had it in ourfamily for probably 15 years
now, like we've been using inour family now.
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My mum about 20 years ago, hadstage four melanoma.
And then that's pretty
MIC2 (25:49):
serious.
I can remember.
Yeah.
MIC1 (25:51):
She actually had it cut out.
She's got quite a large scar oncheek and, over the years, it
has come back, it's metastasizedand come back in other areas
like the back of her neck, ofher forehead.
And every time she just putscancemer on stings like shit.
And in about two days you get ayellow ring around the actual,
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like the.
Cancer, then it'll go crusty andit will go black.
And then about seven days laterit falls off and there's no
scar, no nothing.
The only time you'll get a scaris if you bump it and it falls
off too early.
Yeah, but if it, if you
MIC2 (26:32):
just a bit like if you squeeze a pimple too soon when
it's not ready to be squeezedand then it scars.
MIC1 (26:36):
people get pimples come up and go all the time with no
scars, but if you squeeze it,you can get a scar.
I, myself has have used it.
Paulys mom had skin cancer righton the top of her nose.
She'd already had it burnt offin Ireland.
Come here, it grew back.
I put it on, it's never comeback right.
Paul recently had one on hisnose'cause he's Irish and he's
only, he's been in the country21 years, so he's not used to it
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either.
And, was slapping on sunscreenearly in the early days as well
and working on a job site and,probably not the healthiest diet
either.
So personal experience.
MIC2 (27:11):
Yeah,
MIC1 (27:12):
fricking
MIC3 (27:12):
speaks for itself.
MIC2 (27:13):
remember you told me about it and it was just a little bit
too late.
'cause we caught up once a fewyears
MIC1 (27:18):
Yeah.
MIC2 (27:18):
when we went to that golf day and I was on crutches and I
couldn't walk'cause I'd had askin cancer cut out.
Which when I think about it,that's ridiculous.
It was on the bottom of my foot.
Why would I have a skin canceron the bottom of my foot?
Anyway.
I did my annual
MIC1 (27:32):
apparently that's how Bob Marley died was the skin cancer
on the bottom of his foot
MIC2 (27:35):
because they were saying, oh, you must have got sunburnt
on the bottom of your foot once,maybe when you were a kid.
And it's been simmering away,and now it's popped up as a
cancer and we have to cut itout.
I've actually got a scar on thebottom of my foot that still
gives me grief sometimes.
I couldn't walk for weeks.
It was terrible.
But then you said, oh, I wish Iknew I would've given you some
of this cream anyway.
Yeah.
But now I, it.
MIC3 (27:56):
make money out of,
MIC2 (27:57):
So now I would
MIC1 (27:58):
can only
MIC3 (27:59):
only makes money
MIC1 (28:00):
can only
MIC3 (28:00):
can make
MIC1 (28:00):
assumptions,
MIC3 (28:02):
As assuming
MIC2 (28:03):
yeah, that's, oh, and maybe that doctor that cut that
thing out of the bottom of myfoot maybe saved my life.
Maybe we won't know who,
MIC1 (28:10):
you're never gonna
MIC2 (28:10):
who can say, but going forward, I will always try this.
MIC3 (28:14):
And we're not saying don't get skin checks and
MIC1 (28:17):
oh my God, no.
MIC2 (28:18):
at all,
MIC3 (28:18):
any of those things,
MIC2 (28:20):
and don't go out in the full sun in the middle of the
day.
Maybe
MIC3 (28:22):
get full skin checks every year.
We've got yeah, we've got skin
MIC2 (28:26):
saying you've got common sense Common sense
MIC3 (28:30):
Yeah.
I just get skin checks
MIC1 (28:32):
and
MIC3 (28:33):
I'll treat it however.
Yeah, we should treat it, butI'm the same.
I've had so many things cutoutta my body as well.
And even, I've got a lot of.
Moles on me, and they'll look atit.
And if they don't like the lookof it, even if they test a
little bit, they'll go, oh, looklet's just take it off.
And I was like, take it off mybody.
I don't want it on there.
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You get scared.
But now I'm more, let's, yeah,
MIC2 (28:57):
We'll try this
MIC3 (28:58):
Look after myself.
Yeah.
Get some suns rays, but in alike a sensible manner.
And.
Treat it that ha the way I wannatreat it, if it was to become
something, and again, I'm nottelling people any medical
advice.
I'm not saying
MIC1 (29:15):
no.
This is only my personalexperience.
MIC3 (29:17):
our personal experiences.
It, we are not at all tellingpeople what to do or any kind of
medical advice.
We are just talking aboutpersonal experiences.
MIC1 (29:29):
So there is a train of thought about cancers being the
body actually envelopingpotentially parasitic type
cells.
specify.
And your body protectively.
MIC3 (29:45):
Like
MIC1 (29:46):
cocoon, it cocoons it to protect the rest of your body.
And that essentially is thetumor.
This a train of thought, notnecessarily mine, but this is,
some the thoughts out there.
Yes.
And when you go and get a biopsyyour piercing, that protective
ball, releasing the contents ofthat protective tumor, which.
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Can then flood through the restof your body metastasize and
show up in many other places inyour body.
A theory out there, not my Andsomething worth interesting
thinking about.
MIC3 (30:23):
Yeah.
But this is the thing I thinkabout too, because I'm of that
train of thought.
MIC1 (30:30):
We're being very careful
MIC3 (30:30):
awful often.
Yeah.
Often.
Often though.
How long do they pierce it andthey take a biopsy and then.
It's weeks before they can oftenthen go ahead and take it out.
Yeah.
Because the medical system's sooverloaded in that time.
It could wreak havoc in yourbody
MIC1 (30:49):
You don't
MIC3 (30:49):
And you, that's the Yeah, that's right.
Spread through your lymphaticsystem.
Yeah.
I'm, again, this is all justtrains of thought.
MIC1 (30:58):
Cancer is
MIC3 (30:58):
think, like I said, the body's an amazing thing.
Yeah.
And why wouldn't it do thingslike that contain cells and go
into a defense mode and wrapthem into a ball protect
MIC1 (31:11):
And it essentially turns off apoptosis, which programs?
Cell death.
So your body gets damaged.
Those cells turn off apoptosis.
They don't die off forms a clumpof cells.
That's essentially what thetumor is.
But the cancer's very parasiticin nature when you think about
it.
And.
There, there's some common sensebehind why people are using
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antiparasitic drugs with,
MIC3 (31:35):
That's another podcast.
MIC2 (31:38):
Yeah.
Look at, look how
MIC3 (31:39):
they were trying to be very careful about
MIC2 (31:41):
careful where being,
MIC1 (31:42):
yeah.
I'm not using antiparasiticdrugs for cancer.
I just have heard stories ofpeople doing so with great
success.
MIC3 (31:51):
good results.
Yes.
MIC1 (31:53):
Who knows that they might not have got those results
anyway.
Yeah.
Without using that, we don'tknow that.
MIC2 (32:00):
know and we don't wanna
MIC3 (32:01):
talk
MIC2 (32:02):
we've all been impacted by loved ones and friends and
family and still are, who are
MIC3 (32:07):
Yeah, that's right.
It is a very sensitive cancer,so we won't very sensitive
MIC2 (32:11):
claims about cancer.
But
MIC3 (32:14):
and everybody's
MIC2 (32:14):
so far with medical research, pharmaceuticals.
Technology.
We've come so far, but we've gotmore cases of cancer right now
than we've ever had before, andme being not that bright
sometimes, Can't understand why.
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If we've come so far, we've gotmore cancers we seem to be going
reverse That's,
MIC3 (32:43):
And again, like I say, it's everybody's journey and we
want people to make informeddecisions that's best for them
and what they're happy and feel,that is the best.
But
MIC1 (32:53):
but this is a prompt to go and research, right?
MIC3 (32:56):
That's what
MIC1 (32:57):
is not a prompt to say, this is what you should
MIC2 (32:59):
Yeah.
Take charge of your own body,your own health.
MIC3 (33:01):
We just want them to, yeah.
To make that decision forthemselves.
And again, come back to achoice.
Have the right to choose.
Yes.
What.
Form of medical intervention.
What form of naturalintervention.
El McPherson, she was one thattook a natural and she got
really bagged for it.
But why?
That's her body.
(33:22):
What is She's she's allowed tomake that choice if she wants to
go the natural route.
What is wrong with that?
And if someone wants to take amedical route.
That is their choice as well.
I don't want totally to become,
MIC1 (33:38):
It seems very black and white though.
So a lot of people will think ifshe took the natural route and
that was the right thing to dothen, and I didn't take the
natural route, then I've donethe wrong thing.
But it's not right or wrong.
It's not black or white.
It's what you need to do in yourstage of
MIC3 (33:53):
vilify and persecute people for making a different
decision to what.
You would?
MIC2 (33:58):
No, it comes back to respect.
MIC3 (33:59):
Respect and
MIC1 (34:01):
your body, your choice,
MIC3 (34:02):
And even if you don't, if you wouldn't necessarily
yourself take that route, youhave no idea until you are faced
with it.
Exactly.
I could make a different choice.
You have no idea until you arepersonally faced with it.
So you support that person withwhatever choice decide, but
course we want them to haveevery bit of information at
MIC1 (34:22):
That, and that's what I was gonna say.
You can't make a choice if youdon't know what the
MIC3 (34:26):
I know.
Are, this is what makes me againpassionate about the.
They're trying to censor.
They're trying to censor allthese things.
Yeah.
MIC1 (34:34):
Yeah.
Why not have the information
MIC3 (34:36):
All the information, all the natural information, all
the, again, like I have nursesin our, and I really respect
them and I really respect a lotof the medical profession.
We are not bagging them.
We're not saying there's noplace in society for it at all.
What we are saying is that theycan go, they can live in
(35:01):
harmony, so to speak.
MIC1 (35:03):
It should be complimentary, like not one or
the
MIC3 (35:05):
what I'm trying to say.
MIC2 (35:06):
you be able to talk about your friend's experience at the.
Hospital and what she's doingwith sound incredible because
that is the most, beautifulstory about the medical world
and the natural world comingtogether for common ground.
(35:27):
And you're not working againsteach other.
You are working together.
MIC1 (35:30):
Yeah.
And I would really like to getKyrie.
as a guest at some point aswell.
But Kyrie very publicly and it'son her Instagram, so I know that
she's be like, there's noproblem me talking about it.
But she had breast cancer Ithink maybe 20 years ago I could
be wrong.
But during her journey, sheactually had some sound therapy
(35:54):
and meditation through herjourney and it really calmed
her.
She had a I think it was ameditation expert or sound
therapy.
I can't think before she went infor her mastectomy, they
actually did a treatment and itreally calmed her down and her
nervous system really relaxedand she had a great outcome with
the surgery.
Anyway.
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Years on, she does sound, bowlwhich
MIC2 (36:19):
have all done and it's beautiful.
Highly recommend,
MIC1 (36:23):
right?
Essentially, we're energeticbeings and,
MIC2 (36:27):
it was incredible.
sound
MIC1 (36:27):
waves are very healing.
There's, there's again,scientific research on it.
It's not a woo situation.
It's actually real.
But the St.
Andrew's Hospital.
They have a wellness center, andin the wellness center they have
all sorts of complimentarymedicine.
Not alternative, butcomplimentary medicine.
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practices that their cancerpatients can access.
And one of those.
Is sound therapy, and that'swhat Kyrie does in the hospital
setting.
So it's really a full circlemoment.
MIC2 (37:00):
isn't it?
It's amazing.
It's a beautiful story.
MIC1 (37:02):
Yeah.
And she's been able to reallysupport women going in for their
mastectomies and their surgeryand Yeah.
It's a huge part of her businessand her wellness.
Yeah.
Journey.
So complimentary.
medicine.
MIC2 (37:17):
And you're not gonna say this sound healing is going to
cure your cancer.
No.
But it may help you deal withthe diagnosis you've been given.
Yeah.
Or help with your mental healthor even help you, the
MIC1 (37:30):
system, relax in the nervous system, bringing you
back into
MIC2 (37:33):
And a positive mindset is incredible when it comes to
healing.
MIC3 (37:37):
Like I say,
MIC2 (37:38):
nothing to lose different
MIC3 (37:39):
and their right to choose whatever route they're gonna use
to, get better is their ownchoice and we just need to have
support people.
Yeah.
Have that support there forpeople and, but, it just is a
passionate thing for all of usthat we just want everyone to
have every form of yeah.
(38:02):
Option available to them so theycan make informed decisions.
That's best for them.
MIC1 (38:07):
Kyrie can, when she comes on, she'll explain a lot better
MIC2 (38:10):
than I'm excited to
MIC1 (38:11):
Like I'm just, that was
MIC3 (38:12):
very, but what a beautiful story to,
MIC2 (38:14):
no,
MIC3 (38:14):
end the episode on.
Yeah, that's
MIC2 (38:16):
one.
MIC1 (38:16):
yeah.
Head to Kindred self onInstagram.
And Kyrie has a space in PortAdelaide called Urban Wellness,
where she does soundness.
Sound Baths counseling.
She's actually a
MIC2 (38:27):
counselor.
We need to get back, actually,we need to go back and have
another session.
MIC3 (38:30):
was
MIC1 (38:31):
Yeah.
There's she's actually workingin with another therapist energy
therapist and we'll actuallytalk about that completely
separate, but because that'sactually really quite deep and
it's yeah, it's.
Fascinating.
It's full on,
MIC3 (38:45):
that's what we are gonna do too, going forward, is we are
gonna get a lot of interestingand unbelievably expiring,
MIC1 (38:53):
not just us dribbling,
MIC3 (38:54):
inspiring people on talking about different topics,
and that's where we're headed.
So yeah.
Anyway, let's we'll wrap thisup.
Finish
MIC2 (39:03):
Great chat girls.
And
MIC1 (39:04):
sorry, just one last thing.
We have to try all thesetherapies to be able to report
back, don't
MIC2 (39:10):
Oh, I'm into that.
Definitely.
No
MIC3 (39:13):
Sign me up.
MIC2 (39:14):
Yeah.
MIC1 (39:15):
Okay.
Till next time guys.
Thank you.
MIC3 (39:18):
See ya.
We love you.
We're on.
All right, Lauren, take it away.
MIC2 (00:04):
Me again.
sorry.
Oh, I just introduced the lastone.
This one I wanted to talk aboutbecause we are coming into
summer and I've got a little bitto say about sunscreen.
Lost my train of thought.
Because the problem is havethese little chats before we
start recording and we say allthis stuff and then we get on
(00:24):
and then we press record.
We're like, ah, what did I say?
Oh,
MIC1 (00:27):
Oh, we just need to
MIC2 (00:28):
I don't
MIC1 (00:28):
24 7.
MIC2 (00:29):
can't be bothered repeating myself, but no one
heard that.
MIC3 (00:32):
so.
Yeah.
MIC2 (00:34):
Really?
Okay, so the sun, right?
The sun, that's.
Yep.
MIC1 (00:40):
yep.
MIC2 (00:40):
The sun that's been
MIC3 (00:41):
here since
MIC2 (00:42):
the dawn of time that's been here since day dot.
However you believe Day Dotbegan the sun's been here,
hasn't it?
Yes.
Agreed.
Yes.
How long has sunscreen beenhere?
Okay.
MIC1 (00:54):
I think
MIC2 (00:57):
Is there more sunscreens available now than ever before?
Yes
MIC3 (01:00):
Oh, it's unbelievable.
MIC2 (01:01):
Is there more cases of skin cancer now than ever
before?
Yes.
MIC1 (01:05):
As they say, correlation doesn't equal causation, but we
can use our common sense.
MIC2 (01:10):
So is it linked A little bit sunscreen and skin cancer
MIC1 (01:15):
my opinion, a thousand percent.
MIC2 (01:16):
I'm not gonna come out and make that claim by any means,
and I have had some things cutoutta my body that I have been
told were cancerous or about toturn I have been scared of
getting sunburnt.
I have been wearing sunscreen upuntil the last couple of years.
MIC3 (01:32):
We as youngsters, slips slop slap.
That was adverts all over thetv.
What was the first thing beforeyou went outside?
Your parents say, put somesunscreen and a hat on.
MIC2 (01:41):
Yeah.
MIC1 (01:42):
But as far as, and that's probably another episode
altogether cancema, black salve.
That's,
MIC2 (01:47):
oh, we'll talk about that.
But
MIC1 (01:49):
yeah.
Bring we'll circle back to
MIC2 (01:51):
that.
Yeah.
So when we were just sittinghere before I thought, why are
we so fearful of this natural,We can't exist without the sun.
It's responsible for all formsof life.
But we are all fearing it.
We are getting out of it.
We are covering up.
We don't want it.
But just have a listen to this.
I've just Googled what are theingredients in common
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sunscreens.
I'm not gonna pronounce themproperly, but here we go.
Homo Octo chlorine, octal sate,
MIC1 (02:22):
Solicitate,
MIC2 (02:24):
methyl X.
You could probably say this.
Meso x diz.
I don't have my glasses.
Meth.
Di
MIC1 (02:30):
di benzo methane.
MIC2 (02:32):
Benzone.
Bemo to ol bemo.
MIC1 (02:36):
olol.
MIC2 (02:38):
Ol, what's this one?
Ethanol x Trione
MIC1 (02:41):
Ethel.
Heil Trione.
MIC2 (02:42):
She can say it all.
I can't even say it.
That makes me not want to putthat in my body because I can't
even say it.
So people who, not I don't wannabe crazy here, but if you are
fearful of the natural sunlight.
But you are not scared to slapall this over your body because
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you would know better than me,Tina, but isn't our skin what we
put in our skin just absorbsstraight into our bloodstream,
right?
MIC1 (03:11):
A certain percentage of it, yeah.
It's the largest organ.
That's why nicotine patcheswork.
that's why medication that, theyuse patches for medication
because your skin absorbs it.
So it's not a,
MIC2 (03:22):
so it's not much different than eating it.
MIC1 (03:25):
This is, my, whole theory of my business, if you can't eat
it, don't put it on your skin.
MIC2 (03:29):
If I went and got all these things and mix them up
into a little potion and fed itto people, would they comply?
Would they eat it?
MIC1 (03:35):
They wouldn't eat it.
And if you fed it to your child,you'd probably go to jail.
for poisoning them, the sun
MIC2 (03:41):
is the scary
MIC3 (03:43):
Yeah.
Yep.
MIC2 (03:44):
Yeah, that was just what I was chatting about, but I don't
wanna sound crazy
MIC3 (03:47):
And what does that do that, what does that block?
Okay, that blocks UV rays, whichtriggered the skin to make
vitamin D, which is crucial forbone health immunity and mood.
Wearing sunglasses also blocksout vitamin D production.
And what does that do also?
So the morning sun.
Is essential for regulatingcircadian rhythm.
(04:10):
So direct sun from the ambientlight helps set your internal
clock.
MIC1 (04:18):
Just something on this, on the sunglasses, right?
So I stopped wearing'em a littlewhile ago and I did speak about
this quite a few years ago, butthen kept wearing sunglasses.
But more and more studies havecome out and or people talking
about it.
Your eyes.
Your eyes detect the amount ofUV light in the sky, and then
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sends a signal to your brain,which then triggers the amount
of melanin that your skinproduces.
The melanin is the protectivepart of your skin.
So you don't get burn, you don'tget skin damage, you don't get
skin cancers.
So if you walk out withsunglasses on you, you're
getting a false reading.
Your brain is thinking that it'sthe uvs not as high.
(05:00):
So you're not producing enoughmelanin to protect your skin.
MIC2 (05:03):
That's so interesting.
MIC3 (05:05):
and
MIC2 (05:05):
because sunglasses are
MIC3 (05:06):
seriously, how long have sunglasses been around for?
Too
MIC2 (05:09):
fashion statement.
MIC3 (05:10):
God.
Or whatever you believe in.
That started all of this.
We didn't get born withsunglasses on, we got born with
eyes on our head and a in thesky.
So obviously there's reasons forthat.
Like everything you
MIC1 (05:22):
don't see birds flying around with little sun
sunglasses on, but also, thesun, we every form of life on
the planet requires the sun.
How is that the enemy?
MIC2 (05:33):
That's right.
Like our plants like, like Igrow my own veggies.
I can't grow vegetables withoutsun.
I've have to move my vegetablegarden beds into sunnier spots
so that my tomatoes can thrive.
That is no different to
MIC1 (05:48):
But also if you, any new chooks, don't eat the
vegetables.
They don't produce the eggs,which then you have, it's
everything requires the sun.
MIC2 (05:55):
we are fearing the sun.
We are telling people, get outof the sun.
It will kill you.
MIC1 (05:59):
It makes me question whether the whole never look at
the sun is a load of
MIC3 (06:05):
shit sun.
Well, now that they're sayingthat we are, we should look at
the sun.
MIC1 (06:09):
Right.
MIC3 (06:10):
to a degree that those suns rays are, our eyes are
actually designed to take those
MIC1 (06:16):
Do you know there's some people sun bake their butthole
MIC3 (06:19):
Yeah.
I did I send you that the otherday?
Yeah.
No, but I, oh no.
Look that
MIC1 (06:23):
We don't do that.
No.
putting
MIC2 (06:25):
What else used to happen?
That, if you were in hospital oryou had surgery or you'd been
really ill, they would actuallywheel you up to the, very top
floor of the hospital right upthe top and put you in the sun.
The
MIC1 (06:37):
solariums
MIC2 (06:38):
That was part of your healing.
And they still have sometimeswhen you go up the very top of
the old hospitals, maybe old RAHThe top floor of the hospital
where you park.
In the old days, that's wherethey would take you up there and
put you out in the sun.
MIC1 (06:53):
But see, some people
MIC2 (06:54):
there's so many benefits,
MIC1 (06:55):
argue that, oh, they learned that the sun causes
cancer and that's why they don'tdo it anymore.
But really happened is our foodhas changed so much.
So we are eating rancid seedoils.
We're not eating good healthyfats.
We are not getting the right.
Signals to our brain to, toproduce enough melanin.
Um, and we are also not gettingenough cholesterol, so we need
(07:18):
the cholesterol for the sunlightto turn to create vitamin D,
right?
So it's a two part process.
You can't go out in the sun ifyou don't have enough
cholesterol in your diet.
And then you've got everyone onstatins
MIC2 (07:32):
every second person over the age of 50 or 60 is taking
cholesterol tablets.
MIC3 (07:37):
That's right.
So it creates an avalanche ofhealth problems.
Exactly.
Water also produces thesunlight, produces serotonin and
a lot of depressed people outthere.
Depressed because,
MIC2 (07:49):
getting sun.
Oh.
MIC1 (07:50):
two week lockdown, you, you have to stay in
MIC3 (07:52):
your home.
Absolutely.
You
MIC1 (07:53):
hour out in the sun.
Is this about health
MIC3 (07:56):
And it does lack of sun.
They even say lack of exposureto sunlight is heavily linked to
depression and mental health
MIC1 (08:05):
They call it sads Sun.
Sun avoidant.
What?
No, what's the disease?
Oh, it's like the depression,sun avoidance, depression
syndrome or something like that.
It's basically.
It's SADS.
Yeah.
It's what term it and it'speople who
MIC3 (08:18):
Hermit inside, including?
I've been through that.
You just don't wanna come outyour room.
You don't
MIC1 (08:23):
it's cold and yucky, people think, oh, just stay
inside.
But who cares if it's raining?
Get an umbrella.
Yeah.
Put a jacket on for God's sakes.
MIC3 (08:33):
And what do people always feel better doing?
Like you said, Lauren, probablynot even just, just getting
outside as, as a sick patient inhospital, of course you wanna
get out and have some sunlight.
Yeah.
And fresh air and you're gonnafeel better.
Yeah.
You're not gonna go out thereand they go, I feel worse
MIC2 (08:49):
And look, it does burn you.
And I don't wanna get sunburnt.
And it also,
MIC1 (08:54):
it will burn you if you are, like, if you number one,
don't have enough cholesterol.
Yeah.
Number two are wearingsunglasses.
Yeah.
And number three, maybe don't goout at 1230 when the UV is peak.
Maybe, but
MIC2 (09:07):
up with
MIC1 (09:08):
look at
MIC2 (09:08):
we went to Okay to
MIC1 (09:09):
Sun bakes all the time.
Yeah.
MIC3 (09:10):
Yeah.
Yeah.
MIC2 (09:10):
We went to the beach at your house last summer and it
was so hot.
But I was too scared to wearsunscreen, so I just wore like a
long sleeve kind of cottonshirt, When I was in Yeah,
that's right.
Or wear your big.
Wide brim hat when it's themiddle of the day and it's full
sun.
Yeah.
MIC1 (09:27):
Yeah.
Even a sheep will sit under thetree in the heat of the
MIC3 (09:29):
I have to
MIC2 (09:30):
sensible about it.
Find some shade.
You don't wanna get so sunburnt
MIC3 (09:34):
have to say things like that.
Even as a young person though,and I don't know if this is my.
English Irish blood in me.
I actually physically don't liketoo much heat or sun on me.
I always go for the shade.
I love the sun, I love beingoutside, but I can't, even, when
we were young, everyone would goout and sun bake.
(09:55):
I literally could be fiveminutes and I'm like searching
for the shade.
MIC1 (09:59):
Yeah.
I'm a bit like that
MIC3 (10:01):
I don't really, yeah, I'll slap on the fake tan, which is
so good for you.
'cause there's no chemicals in
MIC1 (10:08):
talk about the chemicals in fake turn
MIC3 (10:11):
know.
MIC2 (10:11):
saying we're perfect.
We're
MIC3 (10:12):
something.
See, we're not, yeah yeah, sowhat I'm saying is I find out,
but I'm actually trying to trainmyself to be in the sunlight a
bit more.
So I'm like, all right, I'll goout for 10, 15 minutes.
Again, I'm not gonna go sit outthere in like 42 degree heat and
burn the living crap outtamyself, but I am, I'm noticing
when I go out and I do get somedirect sunlight on my skin.
(10:36):
Oh, do you feel a lot
MIC2 (10:37):
better?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Lycopene
MIC1 (10:39):
is very
MIC3 (10:39):
for your mental health.
MIC1 (10:41):
To eat.
So tomatoes, so think aboutItalians.
It, they eat a lot of tomatoes.
Yeah.
They have olive skin, they havea lot of sun exposure.
Lycopene in tomatoes is veryprotective
MIC2 (10:53):
and interesting.
That tomato is a summer fruitthat harvests in the summer.
So it's almost again.
Yeah.
It's always been the case.
We have been provided witheverything we need in nature.
That's exactly right.
But those ingredients that Icouldn't even pronounce, we are
gonna put that all over us tokeep us safe
MIC3 (11:10):
and our children.
MIC2 (11:11):
Let's eat a whole heap of tomatoes.
MIC3 (11:13):
And
MIC1 (11:13):
you say you go out in the sun, right?
A little experiment.
You've got one person that hasno sunglasses, no sunscreen.
They've eaten an avocado and anegg and their cholesterol levels
are on the higher end, nomedication.
And they had a bloody tomatopasta the night before.
MIC2 (11:34):
Probably not gonna get too burnt.
MIC1 (11:36):
Not gonna get as burnt as the person who's wearing it.
Highly toxic sunscreensunglasses, eating deep fried
chips from the fish and chipshop,
MIC2 (11:47):
Yeah, a bag of Doritos and then they go in, have a swim,
come out.
Oh, need to reapply.
go in, have a swim, come out,need to reapply.
That's
MIC1 (11:54):
a studied that that's a actual research paper.
Like they've studied it andproven.
That certain chemicals in thesunscreen reacts with
MIC2 (12:01):
chlorine and it is
MIC1 (12:02):
very damaging.
And it's a published study, sohow the hell are they still
selling it on a fricking shelfis beyond me
MIC2 (12:09):
It is crazy
MIC3 (12:09):
And in a lot of parents defense and I did when my kids
were young.
If you're sending your kids offto school or out for an outing,
of course you're gonna wannaprotect them.
You don't want them to come backlike a lobster with yeah.
Burns.
And a lot of people, again,aren't educated.
They're just thinking they'redoing the right thing.
And there's nothing wrong withthat.
And we are not bagging thosepeople.
(12:31):
And there's, it is a, I wouldprobably more now knowing what I
know, choose to put a longsleeve top on them, a hat.
Absolutely Tina's.
Tina's her own sunscreen.
Tina's own.
Yeah.
She makes her own sunscreen.
So it which is absolutely, youcould eat it.
It's so healthy.
But yeah, so I would choosesomething that's very natural
(12:52):
that doesn't have all thenasties in it
MIC1 (12:54):
if you have to.
I wouldn't promote.
My sunscreen just for the sakeof wearing a sunscreen.
Yeah.
Yeah.
One of the reasons I come upwith it is because my daughter
was going to kindy at the time,back when you could go to kindy
when you weren't jabbed andthat, the old rules of you can't
go outside.
Yeah.
You've got a slip slop slap.
And there was no way in hellthat she was gonna be putting
(13:16):
all those chemicals on.
So I created a zinc basedsunscreen, which is reef safe.
'cause that's a whole notherissue
MIC2 (13:23):
Oh, of course.
Oh, the fish are dying
MIC1 (13:25):
Besides the algal bloom, besides that, you know, you've
got the whole issue of sunscreenand, and killing reefs.
So,
MIC3 (13:32):
That's scientifically proven as well.
Absolutely.
People.
We don't talk out our,
MIC2 (13:37):
we don't, but last year we put a swimming pool in at our
house.
I don't want people coming to myhouse and swimming in my pool if
they've.
Covered themselves in sunscreen.
'cause I don't want all thosechemicals No.
In the water.
It's hard enough to keep a poolsafe with the water to swim in.
But if everybody's gonna jump inmy pool with all their different
brands of sunscreen and poisonmy water with all those
(14:00):
chemicals.
Sorry.
MIC1 (14:01):
That's right.
MIC2 (14:02):
Don't want you there.
I'll stock up on Tina Zinc.
MIC3 (14:05):
Yeah.
And just hand it out as I comethrough the
MIC2 (14:07):
sleeve rashy.
Yeah, but I don't want thesunscreen in the pool.
MIC1 (14:11):
I'm just reading a small.
Article here and it's based onthe research that I just
mentioned, and it says, chemicalsunscreen coming into contact
with chlorine have been shown tobreak down and form compounds
that can be extremely harmful.
These byproducts known aschlorinated organ organic
compounds have been linked to arange of health issues including
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hormone disruption and evencancer.
MIC2 (14:35):
Ah,
MIC1 (14:36):
It's studied, it's research.
You're not gonna hear about iton the Channel seven news guys.
You gotta go and seek out your
MIC3 (14:43):
information.
Yeah, absolutely.
Jump
MIC1 (14:44):
on, not Google.
Google Scholar.
Yeah.
Read Google Scholar
MIC3 (14:48):
everything that's sold in the mainstream shops has, or,
and medication, every,everything.
If you.
Read into all the ingredients,although most of'em have a
warning, a health warning.
Of
MIC1 (15:01):
course they do, but we, most people will ignore
MIC2 (15:05):
of
MIC3 (15:05):
But who reads it?
Who reads the packaging?
Unless you are a bit more, ontothat sort of thing or awakened
to those things, we just, it'sjust become so in ground that,
that.
These things are, look, I nevereven used to think about this
years and
MIC2 (15:23):
Oh,
MIC3 (15:23):
ago.
I used to think about healthyeating and that sort of stuff,
and obviously I didn't want mykids to have fizzy drink and
heaps of sugar and I, I knew.
A lot about the sugar and allthat sort of stuff.
Had no idea about sunscreen backthen because sunscreen was being
a responsible parent and puttingthat all over your child to
protect them was being aresponsible
MIC2 (15:44):
look at the back and read all the ingredients and I don't
think I realized that you've putthings on your skin and it gets
absorbed in.
I just don't think I thoughtabout that stuff.
We had young kids.
We were busy.
We were just trying to do thebest we could.
Yeah.
I really wish I could have mytime over.
I know you don't wanna promoteyour sunscreen, but I would like
to know what's in it.
'cause I think zinc is the mainingredient.
MIC1 (16:05):
Yeah.
It's 20%
MIC2 (16:06):
zinc.
Yeah.
And when we were kids, The onlything my parents would do to us
when we would go to the beach isget some zinc.
Yeah.
And put it on our nose.
'cause no one wanted to walkaround with a bright red nose.
Like Rudolph.
Yeah.
So you'd put a bit of zinc onyou, but then what would happen
is you'd be rosy everywhere.
And
MIC1 (16:20):
then Yeah, and then a white nose.
But
MIC3 (16:21):
nose
MIC2 (16:22):
That says to me that obviously zinc must do
something.
Zinc is
MIC1 (16:27):
a physical protectant.
So
MIC2 (16:28):
So if I had to wear sunscreen, it's gonna be the one
you make.
MIC1 (16:31):
Yeah.
The chemicals in sunscreenthey're a chemical filter, so
they're literally absorbing therays and
MIC2 (16:38):
holding on your skin.
MIC1 (16:39):
Zinc is a physical, not a chemical, it's a physical
barrier.
So it actually blocks absorptiondirectly.
But this, tell the truth.
Shame devil.
My daughter has never usedanything but my sunscreen so
she's 13?
No, she's Irish.
She's half Irish.
MIC2 (16:56):
she, yeah.
Yeah.
See she should be red raw.
Yeah.
MIC1 (16:59):
she doesn't burn.
MIC2 (17:00):
And I, and this is
MIC1 (17:01):
And she doesn't eat a hundred percent healthy.
She's 13.
They eat shit.
MIC2 (17:04):
What are we eating?
We lived off of hot chips andchocolate
MIC1 (17:07):
She, she was always whinging that we are an
MIC2 (17:09):
the right of passage when you're a teenager, I think.
Yeah.
MIC1 (17:11):
always whinging.
We're an ingredient household,when they're outside the house,
MIC2 (17:15):
but this is, I'm not lying here.
This is actual true and I'llprove it to anyone somehow.
Since I discovered how badsunscreen is and stopped wearing
it, I honestly have not beensunburnt.
I have not been sunburnt for acouple of years now, and I
always used to get sunburnt.
I, the only difference I've doneis stopped using sunscreen.
MIC1 (17:34):
I've shown you the photo from one of my customers.
Womad and she had Shouldn'tprobably say the name of the
sunscreen,
MIC2 (17:43):
i'll blurt it out bb we edit
MIC1 (17:45):
Anyway she had the last of that and she squirted it on one
leg and rubbed it in.
And we can put this up on ourInstagram and
MIC2 (17:53):
yes.
actually
MIC1 (17:53):
show what it is and, she ran out.
So she come to my stool at Womadand bought my sunscreen and put
that on her other leg.
And the one that she had thestore bought bottle one.
Yeah.
Was red raw, like a lobster.
And the one that she put mine onwas not burnt at all.
Nothing.
MIC3 (18:11):
There you
MIC2 (18:11):
go.
And didn't we have an experiencerecently in Bali where you
didn't wear sunglasses one dayand you didn't get burnt and
then you did wear sunglasses thenext and you did get a little
bit pinkish.
I
MIC1 (18:22):
Did.
MIC2 (18:22):
Yeah.
I remember.
I saw that with my own eyes.
Yeah.
MIC3 (18:26):
Again, because the sun's rays goes into your body and.
Is a natural me?
What is that?
Melanin.
Melanin, yeah.
MIC1 (18:34):
yeah.
So your brain's triggering theamount of melanin that you need
to
MIC3 (18:37):
Juice.
So it's doing its thing.
Your body, the human body isincredible, amazing.
And once you learn more aboutit, obviously I know hardly
anything about
MIC2 (18:47):
are still learning every day, aren't we?
MIC3 (18:49):
yeah, it's incredible.
All the different, it's, we'dmade so intricately that
everything has, its, itsfunction and yeah, we are
designed to do this because weweren't.
Again, born with a sunscreen anda pair of suns in our hand.
Here you go.
Good luck.
MIC1 (19:08):
do need to say I, I strongly recommend I shouldn't
say that doesn't wear it, goesout, gets burnt and sues me, but
MIC2 (19:16):
I know,
MIC1 (19:16):
I like,
MIC2 (19:17):
I want to be
MIC3 (19:17):
again, it's we are not telling people what to do.
We are just
MIC1 (19:20):
is
MIC3 (19:21):
talking we
MIC2 (19:21):
could be wrong.
We're going on our own personalexperience.
Exactly.
We could be
MIC1 (19:25):
And my sunscreen has not been tested by the TGA And I
state that on the thing, so Ican't state an SPF.
All I can say is that it's 20%zinc.
Yeah.
Do your own research.
Yeah.
Have a look at what 20% zincdoes, but there's other oils in
there too.
So shea butter has a natural SPFof four red raspberry seed oil
(19:45):
has a natural SPF of up to 28.
MIC2 (19:48):
And you could eat it
MIC1 (19:49):
And you could eat it.
Exactly.
MIC2 (19:50):
you ate that stuff that I read out earlier, you would be
very sick.
This is what I love about yourskincare.
If you can't eat it.
Then don't put it on your skin.
MIC1 (19:59):
But I also wanna say we personally don't use sunscreen
every day.
Yeah.
There are very specific timesthat I'll use it.
So we're about to go on a 10 daycamp trip.
I will take the sunscreen.
So if we go for a hike in themiddle of the day and the sun
searing, yeah, I'll probably putsome in the back of my neck
that's exposed.
Or I'll just probably wear acollared shirt and lift it up
and have a hat.
More likely.
(20:20):
Yeah.
But I will take
MIC3 (20:21):
it.
But again, that's also manythousands, years ago, whatever,
we lived in caves, you don't goand sit out in the sun for four
hours and burn yourself to Yeah.
You go in the cave, you go underthe tree, you go under the
shade.
You just go out and you get.
Physical sunlight
MIC1 (20:38):
indigenous cultures always rest in the middle heat of the
day.
They're not out
MIC3 (20:41):
common sense.
It's common sense.
So I don't want people to startgoing, oh, they're saying don't
use sunscreen.
And then, I went out all day andgot absolutely fried.
Come on.
MIC2 (20:51):
Like everything we talk about comes down to common
sense, use your
MIC3 (20:54):
it
MIC2 (20:54):
Common sense,
MIC1 (20:55):
unfortunately.
Common sense.
Isn't that common?
MIC2 (20:57):
I'm not sure if I should say this, but we'll see.
I think, or maybe I said
MIC3 (21:00):
and it's getting more uncommon.
I
MIC1 (21:02):
getting worse.
MIC3 (21:02):
Yeah.
They're unreal.
They're smart because theylisten to us.
MIC2 (21:07):
Oh, I dunno about that.
I can't remember if I said thiswhen we were recording or before
we started recording, so I'llcut it out if I've already said
it.
When you donate to the cancercouncil
MIC3 (21:18):
this is very
MIC2 (21:19):
interesting is some of that money going to produce that
cancer council brand?
I'm for saying sunscreen.
Are they making a,
MIC1 (21:27):
question.
You're not making a statement.
You just make asking
MIC2 (21:30):
then the more, oh, The more we use the sunscreen, the
more we get the skin and is itgoing round and round in a
circle?
That's a very bold I'm notclaiming anything.
MIC1 (21:43):
you're only asking
MIC3 (21:44):
You're asking questions and that's what we're supposed
to be doing.
I'm just
MIC1 (21:48):
We're allowed to, we sometimes I
MIC2 (21:49):
think
MIC1 (21:50):
says we're not allowed?
MIC2 (21:50):
that question, I wish I didn't think things like this.
My life would be a whole lot
MIC3 (21:54):
Yeah.
But anything that affects us andhumanity, we, we can
MIC2 (21:59):
about where the money's
MIC3 (22:00):
going, who's the boss of us?
I love that quote.
And they say, when I was born,on this world who?
Could suddenly be the boss of meand tell me what I'm supposed to
do, what job I'm supposed tohave, how much money I can
MIC2 (22:13):
I have to put on my
MIC3 (22:14):
Yeah, what I have to put on my skin, what I have to
inject into my body, what I caneat, what like, we're all just
born onto this planet.
Why there who?
Why are these people thinkingthat they're our fucking boss?
MIC2 (22:27):
Who are these people?
MIC1 (22:28):
Who are these people anyway?
If you do happen to get skincancer because you've got low
cholesterol or you are noteating properly and you, or
you're out in the middle of theday, or you haven't.
Used your common sense?
Or you have a genetic,
MIC2 (22:41):
I'm not, we dunno for
MIC1 (22:43):
Or you have a genetic disposition Skin cancers or I've
had them like, if
MIC3 (22:48):
If you like me and just a pussy and hates this harsh sun
beating on me.
'cause it,
MIC1 (22:53):
No, but
MIC3 (22:53):
just feel like Im End
MIC1 (22:54):
up, if you end up with skin
MIC2 (22:56):
cancer, oh, are you
MIC3 (22:58):
Yeah.
Sorry.
We can I get where you're at?
Yeah.
MIC1 (23:00):
Ah,
MIC2 (23:01):
no.
Do it.
Can I look.
We're Ready.
Okay, well, we're already introuble
MIC1 (23:03):
If you Google Black South or caner, you'll be told how
awful it right?
How it can maim and scar and itdoesn't get rid of cancer, and
all sorts of scary things thatyou are like, I'm never putting
this on my skin.
(23:24):
No way in hell.
Okay.
Me
MIC3 (23:27):
to mention isn't, haven't they tried to or have banned it?
MIC1 (23:30):
Oh, it is banned.
It's banned in this country.
It comes in.
MIC3 (23:32):
So why
MIC1 (23:34):
I won't even tell.
MIC2 (23:34):
You have to buy it on the
MIC1 (23:36):
a hundred percent banned.
You have to get it from theblack marker.
I can't tell you where,
MIC2 (23:40):
Oh, it's like the milk.
MIC3 (23:41):
that or
MIC1 (23:42):
it's like raw milk.
Raw
MIC2 (23:42):
milk can't tell you where, how, when,
MIC1 (23:45):
you're gonna have to figure that out for yourself,
but just know that.
Yeah.
Anyway,
MIC2 (23:49):
Or speak to one of the.
TLC girls.
MIC1 (23:52):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Reach out privately and we'll bechecking your digital Id make
sure you're not from thegovernment anyway.
I'd never heard of this thing,right?
So I used to work in my dad'soffice.
There was a guy that worked inthe same complex who become
(24:13):
friends with dad anyway, he hadskin cancer on his nose and he
got it cut away and it come backand he got it cut away and it
come back.
And this went on for about threeyears.
In the very beginning of likehis diagnosis, his first cancer,
he'd come across this blacksalve.
and the specialist at Flinderssaid, oh, don't waste your
(24:35):
money.
It was like$40
MIC2 (24:36):
to get.
MIC1 (24:37):
Right.
Don't waste your money.
Never touched Three years later,he's literally missing a third
of his face.
like the poor guy.
He's basically, his face isgone.
The doctor's told him to sell upeverything.
Buy a boat, swim out, sail offinto the sunset.
You are not making it right.
Last ditch effort orders hiscancemer.
(24:57):
He's still here with us
MIC2 (24:58):
today.
Aw,
MIC1 (24:59):
It worked.
Amazing.
What happens?
What happened to him?
I can only say what happened tohim and what's happened to us
personally.
It If it's cancer, it stings andimmediately feels tingly, and
it's quite stingy.
If it's not cancer, if it's justsome kind of spot, you'll feel
nothing at all.
And I've tried it on both,right?
MIC2 (25:21):
Oh, so again, you've got nothing to lose.
MIC1 (25:23):
You've got nothing to lose.
But if you Google it, they'lltell you've got everything to
lose.
Everything to lose it.
Who knows if that's, actualstory.
I don't know.
Like maybe it's happened tosomeone who knows.
Can't say not them.
Anyway, we've had it in ourfamily for probably 15 years
now, like we've been using inour family now.
(25:44):
My mum about 20 years ago, hadstage four melanoma.
And then that's pretty
MIC2 (25:49):
serious.
I can remember.
Yeah.
MIC1 (25:51):
She actually had it cut out.
She's got quite a large scar oncheek and, over the years, it
has come back, it's metastasizedand come back in other areas
like the back of her neck, ofher forehead.
And every time she just putscancemer on stings like shit.
And in about two days you get ayellow ring around the actual,
(26:14):
like the.
Cancer, then it'll go crusty andit will go black.
And then about seven days laterit falls off and there's no
scar, no nothing.
The only time you'll get a scaris if you bump it and it falls
off too early.
Yeah, but if it, if you
MIC2 (26:32):
just a bit like if you squeeze a pimple too soon when
it's not ready to be squeezedand then it scars.
MIC1 (26:36):
people get pimples come up and go all the time with no
scars, but if you squeeze it,you can get a scar.
I, myself has have used it.
Paulys mom had skin cancer righton the top of her nose.
She'd already had it burnt offin Ireland.
Come here, it grew back.
I put it on, it's never comeback right.
Paul recently had one on hisnose'cause he's Irish and he's
only, he's been in the country21 years, so he's not used to it
(27:00):
either.
And, was slapping on sunscreenearly in the early days as well
and working on a job site and,probably not the healthiest diet
either.
So personal experience.
MIC2 (27:11):
Yeah,
MIC1 (27:12):
fricking
MIC3 (27:12):
speaks for itself.
MIC2 (27:13):
remember you told me about it and it was just a little bit
too late.
'cause we caught up once a fewyears
MIC1 (27:18):
Yeah.
MIC2 (27:18):
when we went to that golf day and I was on crutches and I
couldn't walk'cause I'd had askin cancer cut out.
Which when I think about it,that's ridiculous.
It was on the bottom of my foot.
Why would I have a skin canceron the bottom of my foot?
Anyway.
I did my annual
MIC1 (27:32):
apparently that's how Bob Marley died was the skin cancer
on the bottom of his foot
MIC2 (27:35):
because they were saying, oh, you must have got sunburnt
on the bottom of your foot once,maybe when you were a kid.
And it's been simmering away,and now it's popped up as a
cancer and we have to cut itout.
I've actually got a scar on thebottom of my foot that still
gives me grief sometimes.
I couldn't walk for weeks.
It was terrible.
But then you said, oh, I wish Iknew I would've given you some
of this cream anyway.
Yeah.
But now I, it.
MIC3 (27:56):
make money out of,
MIC2 (27:57):
So now I would
MIC1 (27:58):
can only
MIC3 (27:59):
only makes money
MIC1 (28:00):
can only
MIC3 (28:00):
can make
MIC1 (28:00):
assumptions,
MIC3 (28:02):
As assuming
MIC2 (28:03):
yeah, that's, oh, and maybe that doctor that cut that
thing out of the bottom of myfoot maybe saved my life.
Maybe we won't know who,
MIC1 (28:10):
you're never gonna
MIC2 (28:10):
who can say, but going forward, I will always try this.
MIC3 (28:14):
And we're not saying don't get skin checks and
MIC1 (28:17):
oh my God, no.
MIC2 (28:18):
at all,
MIC3 (28:18):
any of those things,
MIC2 (28:20):
and don't go out in the full sun in the middle of the
day.
Maybe
MIC3 (28:22):
get full skin checks every year.
We've got yeah, we've got skin
MIC2 (28:26):
saying you've got common sense Common sense
MIC3 (28:30):
Yeah.
I just get skin checks
MIC1 (28:32):
and
MIC3 (28:33):
I'll treat it however.
Yeah, we should treat it, butI'm the same.
I've had so many things cutoutta my body as well.
And even, I've got a lot of.
Moles on me, and they'll look atit.
And if they don't like the lookof it, even if they test a
little bit, they'll go, oh, looklet's just take it off.
And I was like, take it off mybody.
I don't want it on there.
(28:53):
You get scared.
But now I'm more, let's, yeah,
MIC2 (28:57):
We'll try this
MIC3 (28:58):
Look after myself.
Yeah.
Get some suns rays, but in alike a sensible manner.
And.
Treat it that ha the way I wannatreat it, if it was to become
something, and again, I'm nottelling people any medical
advice.
I'm not saying
MIC1 (29:15):
no.
This is only my personalexperience.
MIC3 (29:17):
our personal experiences.
It, we are not at all tellingpeople what to do or any kind of
medical advice.
We are just talking aboutpersonal experiences.
MIC1 (29:29):
So there is a train of thought about cancers being the
body actually envelopingpotentially parasitic type
cells.
specify.
And your body protectively.
MIC3 (29:45):
Like
MIC1 (29:46):
cocoon, it cocoons it to protect the rest of your body.
And that essentially is thetumor.
This a train of thought, notnecessarily mine, but this is,
some the thoughts out there.
Yes.
And when you go and get a biopsyyour piercing, that protective
ball, releasing the contents ofthat protective tumor, which.
(30:10):
Can then flood through the restof your body metastasize and
show up in many other places inyour body.
A theory out there, not my Andsomething worth interesting
thinking about.
MIC3 (30:23):
Yeah.
But this is the thing I thinkabout too, because I'm of that
train of thought.
MIC1 (30:30):
We're being very careful
MIC3 (30:30):
awful often.
Yeah.
Often.
Often though.
How long do they pierce it andthey take a biopsy and then.
It's weeks before they can oftenthen go ahead and take it out.
Yeah.
Because the medical system's sooverloaded in that time.
It could wreak havoc in yourbody
MIC1 (30:49):
You don't
MIC3 (30:49):
And you, that's the Yeah, that's right.
Spread through your lymphaticsystem.
Yeah.
I'm, again, this is all justtrains of thought.
MIC1 (30:58):
Cancer is
MIC3 (30:58):
think, like I said, the body's an amazing thing.
Yeah.
And why wouldn't it do thingslike that contain cells and go
into a defense mode and wrapthem into a ball protect
MIC1 (31:11):
And it essentially turns off apoptosis, which programs?
Cell death.
So your body gets damaged.
Those cells turn off apoptosis.
They don't die off forms a clumpof cells.
That's essentially what thetumor is.
But the cancer's very parasiticin nature when you think about
it.
And.
There, there's some common sensebehind why people are using
(31:32):
antiparasitic drugs with,
MIC3 (31:35):
That's another podcast.
MIC2 (31:38):
Yeah.
Look at, look how
MIC3 (31:39):
they were trying to be very careful about
MIC2 (31:41):
careful where being,
MIC1 (31:42):
yeah.
I'm not using antiparasiticdrugs for cancer.
I just have heard stories ofpeople doing so with great
success.
MIC3 (31:51):
good results.
Yes.
MIC1 (31:53):
Who knows that they might not have got those results
anyway.
Yeah.
Without using that, we don'tknow that.
MIC2 (32:00):
know and we don't wanna
MIC3 (32:01):
talk
MIC2 (32:02):
we've all been impacted by loved ones and friends and
family and still are, who are
MIC3 (32:07):
Yeah, that's right.
It is a very sensitive cancer,so we won't very sensitive
MIC2 (32:11):
claims about cancer.
But
MIC3 (32:14):
and everybody's
MIC2 (32:14):
so far with medical research, pharmaceuticals.
Technology.
We've come so far, but we've gotmore cases of cancer right now
than we've ever had before, andme being not that bright
sometimes, Can't understand why.
(32:38):
If we've come so far, we've gotmore cancers we seem to be going
reverse That's,
MIC3 (32:43):
And again, like I say, it's everybody's journey and we
want people to make informeddecisions that's best for them
and what they're happy and feel,that is the best.
But
MIC1 (32:53):
but this is a prompt to go and research, right?
MIC3 (32:56):
That's what
MIC1 (32:57):
is not a prompt to say, this is what you should
MIC2 (32:59):
Yeah.
Take charge of your own body,your own health.
MIC3 (33:01):
We just want them to, yeah.
To make that decision forthemselves.
And again, come back to achoice.
Have the right to choose.
Yes.
What.
Form of medical intervention.
What form of naturalintervention.
El McPherson, she was one thattook a natural and she got
really bagged for it.
But why?
That's her body.
(33:22):
What is She's she's allowed tomake that choice if she wants to
go the natural route.
What is wrong with that?
And if someone wants to take amedical route.
That is their choice as well.
I don't want totally to become,
MIC1 (33:38):
It seems very black and white though.
So a lot of people will think ifshe took the natural route and
that was the right thing to dothen, and I didn't take the
natural route, then I've donethe wrong thing.
But it's not right or wrong.
It's not black or white.
It's what you need to do in yourstage of
MIC3 (33:53):
vilify and persecute people for making a different
decision to what.
You would?
MIC2 (33:58):
No, it comes back to respect.
MIC3 (33:59):
Respect and
MIC1 (34:01):
your body, your choice,
MIC3 (34:02):
And even if you don't, if you wouldn't necessarily
yourself take that route, youhave no idea until you are faced
with it.
Exactly.
I could make a different choice.
You have no idea until you arepersonally faced with it.
So you support that person withwhatever choice decide, but
course we want them to haveevery bit of information at
MIC1 (34:22):
That, and that's what I was gonna say.
You can't make a choice if youdon't know what the
MIC3 (34:26):
I know.
Are, this is what makes me againpassionate about the.
They're trying to censor.
They're trying to censor allthese things.
Yeah.
MIC1 (34:34):
Yeah.
Why not have the information
MIC3 (34:36):
All the information, all the natural information, all
the, again, like I have nursesin our, and I really respect
them and I really respect a lotof the medical profession.
We are not bagging them.
We're not saying there's noplace in society for it at all.
What we are saying is that theycan go, they can live in
(35:01):
harmony, so to speak.
MIC1 (35:03):
It should be complimentary, like not one or
the
MIC3 (35:05):
what I'm trying to say.
MIC2 (35:06):
you be able to talk about your friend's experience at the.
Hospital and what she's doingwith sound incredible because
that is the most, beautifulstory about the medical world
and the natural world comingtogether for common ground.
(35:27):
And you're not working againsteach other.
You are working together.
MIC1 (35:30):
Yeah.
And I would really like to getKyrie.
as a guest at some point aswell.
But Kyrie very publicly and it'son her Instagram, so I know that
she's be like, there's noproblem me talking about it.
But she had breast cancer Ithink maybe 20 years ago I could
be wrong.
But during her journey, sheactually had some sound therapy
(35:54):
and meditation through herjourney and it really calmed
her.
She had a I think it was ameditation expert or sound
therapy.
I can't think before she went infor her mastectomy, they
actually did a treatment and itreally calmed her down and her
nervous system really relaxedand she had a great outcome with
the surgery.
Anyway.
(36:15):
Years on, she does sound, bowlwhich
MIC2 (36:19):
have all done and it's beautiful.
Highly recommend,
MIC1 (36:23):
right?
Essentially, we're energeticbeings and,
MIC2 (36:27):
it was incredible.
sound
MIC1 (36:27):
waves are very healing.
There's, there's again,scientific research on it.
It's not a woo situation.
It's actually real.
But the St.
Andrew's Hospital.
They have a wellness center, andin the wellness center they have
all sorts of complimentarymedicine.
Not alternative, butcomplimentary medicine.
(36:48):
practices that their cancerpatients can access.
And one of those.
Is sound therapy, and that'swhat Kyrie does in the hospital
setting.
So it's really a full circlemoment.
MIC2 (37:00):
isn't it?
It's amazing.
It's a beautiful story.
MIC1 (37:02):
Yeah.
And she's been able to reallysupport women going in for their
mastectomies and their surgeryand Yeah.
It's a huge part of her businessand her wellness.
Yeah.
Journey.
So complimentary.
medicine.
MIC2 (37:17):
And you're not gonna say this sound healing is going to
cure your cancer.
No.
But it may help you deal withthe diagnosis you've been given.
Yeah.
Or help with your mental healthor even help you, the
MIC1 (37:30):
system, relax in the nervous system, bringing you
back into
MIC2 (37:33):
And a positive mindset is incredible when it comes to
healing.
MIC3 (37:37):
Like I say,
MIC2 (37:38):
nothing to lose different
MIC3 (37:39):
and their right to choose whatever route they're gonna use
to, get better is their ownchoice and we just need to have
support people.
Yeah.
Have that support there forpeople and, but, it just is a
passionate thing for all of usthat we just want everyone to
have every form of yeah.
(38:02):
Option available to them so theycan make informed decisions.
That's best for them.
MIC1 (38:07):
Kyrie can, when she comes on, she'll explain a lot better
MIC2 (38:10):
than I'm excited to
MIC1 (38:11):
Like I'm just, that was
MIC3 (38:12):
very, but what a beautiful story to,
MIC2 (38:14):
no,
MIC3 (38:14):
end the episode on.
Yeah, that's
MIC2 (38:16):
one.
MIC1 (38:16):
yeah.
Head to Kindred self onInstagram.
And Kyrie has a space in PortAdelaide called Urban Wellness,
where she does soundness.
Sound Baths counseling.
She's actually a
MIC2 (38:27):
counselor.
We need to get back, actually,we need to go back and have
another session.
MIC3 (38:30):
was
MIC1 (38:31):
Yeah.
There's she's actually workingin with another therapist energy
therapist and we'll actuallytalk about that completely
separate, but because that'sactually really quite deep and
it's yeah, it's.
Fascinating.
It's full on,
MIC3 (38:45):
that's what we are gonna do too, going forward, is we are
gonna get a lot of interestingand unbelievably expiring,
MIC1 (38:53):
not just us dribbling,
MIC3 (38:54):
inspiring people on talking about different topics,
and that's where we're headed.
So yeah.
Anyway, let's we'll wrap thisup.
Finish
MIC2 (39:03):
Great chat girls.
And
MIC1 (39:04):
sorry, just one last thing.
We have to try all thesetherapies to be able to report
back, don't
MIC2 (39:10):
Oh, I'm into that.
Definitely.
No
MIC3 (39:13):
Sign me up.
MIC2 (39:14):
Yeah.
MIC1 (39:15):
Okay.
Till next time guys.
Thank you.
MIC3 (39:18):
See ya.
We love you.
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